FAKE VlRGlN CONFRONTED?! Liar Claims She DOES NOT Have A BBL?! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #154

Date: 2024-04-22

Duration: 5h 55m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBri (DT154-Panama)>

JJessica (DT154-PM)>

JJessica P (DT154)>

AAlexa Morgan >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Jessica (project manager)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Jake(guest)

SPEAKER_05Alexa Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_06Bri(guest)

SPEAKER_07KJ(guest)

SPEAKER_08Ryan Abie(guest)

SPEAKER_09Jessica P(guest)

SPEAKER_10Jess(guest)

Key Moments

IntroShow intro. Brian Atlas welcomes viewers to the Whatever Dating Talk Podcast.

“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating”

IntroBri introduces herself: from Miami, Panamanian, 'changing the world' by teaching men. Jake immediately challenges her philosophy.

“Miami and um my occupation is changing the world”

ControversyBri claims 'virginity is a mindset' — after Alaska epiphany she can choose to be a trans virgin. Brian coins the term. Jake challenges her biblically.

“and my new revelation I had in Alaska virginity is a mindset okay”

IntroGuest introductions: Jess (20, server/student, San Diego), KJ (24, sales, Texas), Ryan Abie (24, Texas, traditional), Jessica (28, project manager, Silicon Valley), Jessica P (21, pro-life activist, South Carolina), Jake (28, Australia, YouTuber).

“I'm Jess I'm 20 and um I'm a server”

IntroAlexa Morgan (35, virgin, oncology nurse) introduced. Brian is visibly shocked she's a virgin. 'That's the face she made — shocked the first time she ever met a real virgin'

“are you a virgin I am yes oh perfect make that face again”

Key MomentAlexa Morgan — 35yo virgin deep dive: explains her position, standards, faith. Brian asks: would she die a virgin? Alexa: 'If I can't find somebody then I will probably die a virgin and I'm okay with that.'

“I think if I can't find somebody then I will probably die a virgin and I'm okay with that”

Key MomentWho would you rather date? audience poll — Bri vs Alexa. Alexa wins 86% to 14% on YouTube; 80% to 20% on Twitch. Brian: 'Even though Alexa is 6 years older, she wins easily.'

“86% 86% so Alexa won 86% to Bri and then over there on YouTube 8020”

Key MomentBBL confrontation: Brian shows Bri's Instagram profile and old photos. Video shown appears to demonstrate pre/post body change. Audience poll: ~50% say she has a BBL. Bri: 'I never got a BBL. I got my boobs and my teeth done and my hair done.' Brian and Jake push back; Bri maintains denial throughout.

“asked you I think if you had any lipo and if you had a BBL nope give me a break”

QuoteBri: 'I got my boobs done I'll tell you that. I got my veneers done in Miami. I got my teeth done in Miami and I got hair extensions. But I didn't get BBL.'

“boobs and my teeth done and then I would lie about having my butt done”

ControversyBri's OnlyFans link found in her Instagram story less than 24 hours before taping — exposed as lying about quitting. Brian reads it out. Bri says she's 'quitting starting today.' Jake: 'Your grift has been exposed.' Brian calls her a 'pathological liar.' Bri argues she didn't ask them to pull up her Instagram.

“link dude on your Instagram well I didn't say when I quit I quit now so so you're a you're a liar”

QuoteJake calls out Bri's hypocrisy: 'You've come in here one side of your mouth saying you want to help men while on the other side you have that only fans still going. That's not only dishonest — that's actually malicious.'

“you've come in here and you said I'm like a manifesting virgin or whatever”

Key MomentBri put in the corner as show punishment. Brian: 'There you go. Think about what you've done.'

“get in the corner there you go think about what you've done Bri okay”

Key MomentJessica P debates Bri on abortion: life begins at conception; right to life precedes all other rights. Bri: anti-death penalty. Jessica P presses inconsistency: if you're anti-death penalty for guilty people, how can you be pro-choice for an innocent fetus?

“human life biologically begins a conception so I think the right to life precedes any other right”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and announcements

Brian's standard intro: support via streamlabs, TTS donations, memberships, merch, non-profit mention, disclaimer.

Bri's intro and philosophy

Bri introduces herself: from Panama, 'changing the world' by teaching men, formerly tried to be a teacher. Jake immediately challenges her on what her course teaches. Bri describes 3 pillars: spirituality (manifestation/prayer), physical, financial.

Bri's trans virgin claim / virginity is a mindset

Brian asks about prior virgin claim. Bri reveals Alaska epiphany: 'virginity is a mindset' — you can choose to be a virgin. Jake challenges biblically. Bri says sex = creation therefore non-sex = virginity. Brian coins 'trans virgin' framing.

Guest introductions round

All guests introduce: Jess (20, server/student, SD), KJ (24, sales, TX), Jessica (28, project manager, Silicon Valley), Jessica P (21, pro-life activist, SC), Jake (28, Australian YouTuber), Ryan Abie (24, TX, traditional).

Relationship status round

All guests describe current relationship status and longest relationship. Brian probes each. KJ almost got engaged at 19-20; Ryan single 6 months; Jess in talking stage 2 weeks; Jessica P longest relationship 2 months; Alexa never had a boyfriend.

Alexa Morgan: 35yo virgin deep dive

Brian discovers Alexa is 35 and a virgin — shocked reaction (makes 'face'). Extended discussion of why: Christian upbringing, waiting for right person, standards discussion. Jake joins on Christian perspective. Alexa's work as oncology nurse contextualized. Would die a virgin if right person never comes.

Dating app review segment

Brian reviews female dating app profiles with panel. Discussed which profiles they'd swipe on, what makes good/bad profiles, quirky self-descriptions as icks.

Who would you rather date? Bri vs Alexa poll

Audience poll: would you rather date Bri or Alexa? Alexa wins 86% on YouTube, 80% on Twitch. Brian notes Alexa is 6 years older than Bri but still wins easily.

BBL confrontation — Bri's surgical history

Brian pulls up Bri's Instagram profile on stream. Photos shown. Brian accuses Bri of having BBL. Bri denies: 'I never got a BBL.' Admits to boob job, veneers, hair extensions. Video shown appears to show pre/post change. Audience poll ~50% say BBL. Bri: 'Why would I lie about having my butt done when I'm honest about the boobs?'

Chivalry and traditional gender roles debate

Brian asks what women bring to first dates if they expect traditional treatment from men. Ryan defends chivalry as attractive. Panel debates whether 'looking nice' is specifically traditional. Jake argues women with liberal views still expect traditional male behavior.

Ryan Abie's dating app review

Ryan's dating app profile reviewed: she was drunk when friends made it; turned off after 1 week. Prompts: 'chivalrous' and 'TSA' (co-worker Tyler made those). Brian pushes on what she brings to dating relationship.

KJ's dating app review

KJ's dating app profile reviewed: 'first round is on me, guess my real name', 'key to my heart is fat margarita on the rocks', calls herself Mama. Jake says don't put jokes on profile. Brian asks KJ about commitment and marriage beliefs.

Body count reveals and double standard debate

Ryan states body count 5. Jess states body count 5. KJ disagrees with Brian's position that men can have high body counts while preferring low body counts in women. Extended philosophical debate about biological reasons, evolutionary logic, hypocrisy argument. Bri argues biology explains male higher body counts; Jake and Brian argue women's promiscuity is more damaging.

Pre-show notes discussion: Jess on feminist label

Brian confronts Jess who wrote 'feminist' in pre-show notes but walks it back. She doesn't want to debate feminism. Brian presses her; she refuses to engage. Brian warns he'll stop trying to engage her if she keeps stonewalling.

Men scared of commitment debate

Panel round: are men scared of commitment? Various answers. KJ says guys her age are scared. Brian presents divorce statistics (80% female-initiated). Panel says women mostly end their own relationships. Brian asks: could men's commitment hesitancy be justified by women predominantly ending things?

Marriage debate — KJ vs Brian

KJ disagrees with Brian's anti-marriage position. Argues marriage is a daily choice, love is a choice. Brian argues marriage doesn't bind women to stay, creates financial risk for men. KJ says if going in thinking of divorce you're with wrong person. Jess adds: strong love doesn't need a piece of paper (either way). Jessica (PM) adds legal argument: gay uncle's partner lost everything without marriage.

Intelligence self-rating round

Chat question: rate your intelligence 0-200 (200 = Einstein). Jessica P: 40-50. Jessica (PM): 120-130. Jake: 'we're all tens.' Brian: 5. Bri: declined.

Dating advice for men

Panel gives dating advice for men. Ryan and Jessica P: just have confidence / fake it til you make it. KJ: shoot your shot. Jessica (PM): find strong male role models; find someone who vibes with you in person. Jake: accomplishment breeds competence.

Dangerous jobs / wage gap discussion

Video shown: helicopter cell tower stacking. Brian and Jake argue male-dominated dangerous jobs disprove the wage gap narrative. Bri argues her truck driver father makes six figures. Jake says most men can't become 'top 1%' — Bri disagrees from Panama immigrant story.

Show outro and Twitch raid

Brian wraps up. Mentions $2,000 scam by David Spearman Stevens (Dubai). Bri promotes her Snap (123). Jake mentions Reality Based Podcast. Brian raids 82yo woman (Grandma) playing World of Warcraft on Twitch.

Makeup and deception debate

Before/after makeup transformation photos shown on-stream (women transforming dramatically with heavy makeup). Panel debates: is this deception? Jake draws parallel to man flashing borrowed Rolex. Brian argues makeup is like lying about your career. Bri says deception. Jessica P argues men's visual stimulation makes this understandable.

Bri's OnlyFans and course — Jake confrontation

Jake challenges Bri: she's taking money from lonely men via OnlyFans while simultaneously claiming she wants to help men for free. Bri: I don't post anymore. Brian: it's still up. Jake: your worldview is counterintuitive and sinister. Extended back-and-forth.

Bri's OnlyFans exposed — Instagram story confrontation

Viewer sends Brian Bri's Instagram story with OnlyFans link from <24 hours ago. Brian reads it out. Bri says she's quitting 'starting today.' Jake: 'Your grift has been exposed.' Bri: 'I didn't ask you to pull up my Instagram.' Extended confrontation. Brian: 'You're a pathological liar.' Bri put in corner briefly.

Bri put in corner

Brian asks Bri to stand in the corner and 'think about what you've done.' Show punishment for repeated disruption and dishonesty.

Abortion / pro-life debate

Jessica P debates Bri on abortion. Jessica P: life begins at conception, right to life precedes all other rights. Bri: anti-death penalty. Jessica P presses Bri on inconsistency. Jess (SPEAKER_10): pro-choice up to first trimester. Jake: pro-life position is intellectually indefensible to challenge because all biologists agree life starts at conception.

Transcript

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KJbelieving in marriage um okay yeah so I like blanking on what even I said on that I'm so sorry

KJno that's all you said you just said I like on I saw clips and now I'm blanking on what even it was okay to be completely honest well I can just

Brian Atlasrestate yeah your my position so uh I don't object to marriage from a religious perspective but if you're secular for example uh I actually don't see any point for getting marriage for

Brian Atlasfor getting married and even for religious people I actually don't see any benefit for religious people outside of the religious tradition of it why which I respect but I just there's

Brian Atlasactually no nonreligious benefits to getting married that I I suppose some people say well there's certain tax benefits which is true but they don't I

Brian Atlasdon't think those outweigh the negatives so what do you think the negatives are well scam it's targeted to SC well there's a couple there's a couple components here so a lot of women want

Brian Atlasto get married but they don't want to be wives so what that means is you'll have and I'm going to list a whole bunch of things you'll have women who want you to spend 3 Monon salary on a ring that

Brian Atlasreally cost $100 but you're going to spend five figures on it the diamond industry is an absolute scam so it's a waste of money secondly uh it's kind of

Brian Atlaslike lame as [ __ ] to get down on one knee and like beg a woman to do anything so that's weird and then secondly or thirdly I guess um the wedding itself is

Brian Atlascan be very expensive and that kind of ties into number one like you want the ceremony you want the day you want your attention but are a lot of women prepared to actually be wives it's not

Brian Atlasclear if they are um so to me that's just a waste of money to do this big ceremony spend tens of thousands some people spend hundreds of six figures on

Brian Atlasa wedding uh that's a massive waste of money if I'm looking to put my family in the best position I can possibly put it in I'd much rather put that money into

Brian Atlasbuying a better house having another car putting my kids through the best potential why am I going to spend 50k on this thing that's a one day event

KJthat's that's ridiculous I was about to say the hard word and okay can I say something about sure yeah you're you're so I agree with that but it sounds like you're well sorry um it sounds like you're

KJagainst the wedding not the marriage well okay so that was because you don't have to do all of those things to get married you can go to the courthouse and just get married I agree with you but I would argue most

Brian Atlasmost women do want those things and if they don't then yes it it it gets rid of those uh criticisms that I have however my bigger criticism actually is not the

Brian Atlasring it's not the actual ceremony although I think those are valid criticisms especially if you're not religious it's the ramifications of

Brian Atlasdivorce so and we talked about this earlier men or women are overwhelmingly initiating divorces something like 80% of uh divorces are initiated by women so

Brian Atlasthere's that and then just the financial impact of divorce and then um you know community property alimony uh that's especially if you're a

KJbread winner and you're high earner it's very ill advised as a man to get married what I would say is if you're thinking about all of those things going into marriage just Gerald donated

TTS$200 if any of these women worked one week 12-hour shifts on a construction site they might actually appreciate the thousands of invisible men who make their cushy lives possible 100%

Brian Atlasagree oh wait really quick we will come back to the marriage thing Nick I have a video that I wanted to someone two people sent me via Instagram this bro just pull pull up the video it's a

Brian AtlasYouTube video uh yeah it's like a yeah yeah so this is

Brian Atlasdangerous jobs they there's this oh the wage Gap blah blah blah bro women are not willing to do this kind of work that's frankly going to pay fairly well although there

Brian Atlasthere's a whole bunch of the wage Gap is a myth but uh play it Nick 200 200 uh I'm going to have you use the the

Brian Atlasarrows to skip forward 5 Seconds okay there's the helicopter skip but can you skip yep again yeah keep going I could be

Brian Atlaslike keep going keep going it's a long video keep going

Brian Atlasjust can you mute the audio it's it's it's not necessary at this point move forward is this [ __ ] helicopter going to take off what the [ __ ] God

Brian Atlasdamn okay there it is it's taking off hold on one sec okay there's probably a man in the helicopter no offense ladies uh the helicopter forward a bit

Brian Atlashelicopter is taking off forward a bit damn come on helicopter let's go there we go all right and it's uh they're stacking a tower forward forward

Brian Atlasforward wait what the [ __ ] set why is it showing that it say 7:39 out of 12 minutes it didn't can you reload the video yeah it

Brian Atlasdidn't it didn't finish weird just refresh the

Brian Atlasvideo9 really just refreshed it pull it up one more time go to the like 10 15 or 30 seconds before the

Brian Atlasend go go can you are you able to zoom past no it won't let you go to like oh that's so weird that weird weird okay anyways that's unfortunate I don't know

Jakewhy that is there stacking a tower and so J Gerald's points here is like I don't know man no it's absolutely right and these are the jobs that have

Jaketo get done that nobody really sees like these are the guys who are I mean my whole family are Builders my older brother as a builder my uncle my grandpa they're all Builders and they are they are so much more Alpha and Chad than me

Jakeand like they go to work every single day and break their backs and they have this thing that they call sight cancer and it means that if anybody ever complains and if anybody ever wants to lift a lesser load on site where like they will call it sight cancer because

Jakeif it rubs off on one person then the next person the next person so they have this fortified mentality amongst these building groups where nobody can slack off everybody has to lift their load so you can imagine these guys break their backs day in and day out and nobody

Jakereally sees that stuff but that is the infrastructure that builds the world you guys live in well those are the real Alpha meals yeah but but these are the guys who earned 60 70k who you would say

Jakejust just be a king the dangerous job like that blue collar jobs they can earn more but there are also a lot of guys who aren't earning great money make a lot of money probably way more than how

Brimuch do you think that these guys earn well my dad well okay he doesn't but he is a truck driver that is a shitty job that no one really wants to do but he makes over someone's going to do it don't they

Briso someone's going to stay stay outside of I think that is an alpha male someone who is doing those mly things but I thought you said that going to be 1% what's wrong you can be guy who just

Bridrives trck you can be a 1% and you be% truck dri figes yeah a good gig my dad makes six faes a year you that's not one that's not 1% well I'm not saying billionaire I'm not saying I'm only

Brilooking at the billionaires I'm not talking about how much money you have or how fit you are I'm talking about how you look at yourself and how you are aspiring so being top 1% now and the things that you've been saying all night

Jakeabout how you should just become a king is actually your self-perception yeah not about like I'm not going to go out and date the richest guy Jeff Bas you think all of the girls you think the girls are all chasing the guy who have

Brithe guys who have the best self-perception huh do you think the girls are all chasing the guys with the top 1% self-perception they aspire to be more than they currently are yes girls are going to see that and that's what girls

Briare attracted to girls are going to be attracted to a manly man who could provide for the house and someone who is working bluecollar job can do that because they make good money because they're doing the dangerous jobs that no

Jakeone wants to do so yes a woman will be attracted I agree with you that a woman is attracted to ambition that's for sure but what you were talking about before is you were saying why can't a guy just become a top 1% guy and why can't he

Jakejust do all these things and I'm going to teach men how to become a top 1% guy that's essentially what you were saying what I'm saying is that most guys don't have the type of hold on a second I'm saying most guys don't have the type of

Jakeaptitude to become a 1% man most guys are very inclined for example to work with their hands we had Andrew Wilson on the podcast who's an industrial um industrial robotics engineer robotics engineer

TTSthose handy and that's a very very difficult job just Gerald donated $200 the average infrastructure and construction worker makes 50 70k on

Brian Atlasaverage you know those bums who don't deserve you yo Jess gal thank you man appreciate it uh Nick go into the private chat I found the the helicopter video we'll pull it up really quick um if you can get that going

Brian Atlasum I don't think we need audio on it really yo Jess gal thank you man appreciate it also the Instagram guy we're who uh Golden Gopher I didn't get a DM from you uh on the whatever sorry I

Brian Atlasshould have clarified DM the at whatever page I don't see anything yet Nick if you pull it

Brian Atlasup okay so this is what I was trying to scroll up a little bit please you zo no no no no no oh my God God I meant scroll up

Brian Atlaslike wait now it just did it restart the video Yeah it restarted okay uh helicopter cell tower stacking also known as hel stacking can you make it one bigger please it

Brian Atlaswas all right helicopter cell tower stacking also known as hel stacking or aerial cell tower installation imagine your hand getting crushed in between the um is a specialized technique used in the the

Brian AtlasTelecommunications industry to install or maintain cellular communication infrastructure and remote or hard-to-reach locations this method involves deploying multiple helicopters in a coordinated operation to stack

Brian Atlasprefabricated sections of cell towers on top of each other ultimately erecting erecting a fully functional Cellular Tower I mean I'm pretty sure every single one of those people on there's a

Brian Atlasman I don't think a lot of women want that job even if it was well-paying so interesting in it I think I would rather date a guy

Brian Atlasthat has that job than a multi-millionaire with daddy's money that doesn't do anything with himself um anyways we're going to bring it or let me read this chat here we have David treak watching at the pool hall on my phone be nice to Bri no way she's a

Brian Atlasbillionaire as much as Ursula speaks Japanese Arigato Kisha want to hear more from brunette in pink what okay yeah

Brian Atlaswe'll get there we'll get there thank you man appreciate it uh so K uh KJ you were saying something on the marriage thing oh um I was saying if you're going

KJinto marriage thinking of divorce then you're you shouldn't be getting married is what I would say you should go into marriage thinking that you found your person that you love you're going to commit to them for the rest of your life

KJyou respect them you're not going to put yourself into situations where anything can happen with another person you know like I think that if you're going in with those doubts of like oh it's

Brian Atlasprobably going to end in divorce then you're probably with the wrong person well if a high proportion of marriages end in divorce I mean Wouldn't It Be The

Brian AtlasPrudent thing to you know have a full understanding of the potential ramifications of hey what if this doesn't work I think a lot of the people

KJthat so you should you should just go in blindly no but I think that you should go in not really thinking that divorce is an option I think you should I mean a lot that do you think that's

KJprevented people from getting divorced yeah I do I think that a lot of marriages um so you think all people who' have been divorced knew going in they would get divorced no I'm not

KJsaying that but I think that I obviously there's so many different reasons people get divorced but sure I think a lot of people do go in with that thought that it's like oh well if it doesn't work out

Jessor we like have all of these arguments we can always get divorced it's totally okay and I think that that's a bad I feel like most people have that thought right before they get married though because it is a very very big

Jesscommitment and I can understand why Brian doesn't believe in it because if the if the love is strong enough you don't really need a piece of paper but unless you're religious you know you do you but right actually that's a very

Brian Atlasgood argument she makes why can't if if we love each other so much why need to even get divorced if our love is so strong you're married

KJwe'll just or sorry uh Sor sorry excuse me if if our love is so strong why even get married we don't need to get married I think it's good to have it on a piece of paper to be completely honest it's

KJlike any reason you would sign a contract it's to it binds you into it why not be binded into it if you love them so much then why not but why isn't the love but it doesn't bind you I I

Brian Atlasdon't think I I'm a little confused here it doesn't bind you because you at any let me ask you a question in the United States or any Western Country let's say there's no abuse let's

Brian Atlassay there's no infidelity let's say your husband treats you perfectly but you're just vaguely unhappy but he's a wonderful husband would the woman in that scenario be able to divorce her

Brian Atlashusband if she was so inclined could she at any point in the marriage without any sort of abuse from the husband without any infidelity he's a wonderful husband takes care of the kids provider

Brian Atlaseverything but she's just vaguely unhappy does she at any point reserve the right to to end the relationship end the marriage at any point so then it binds your assets unless you're signing

Brian Atlasa pren it binds let's say he's let's say he's the bread winner too in this situation perfect husband no abuse no infidelity MH and he's the bread winner

Brian Atlasand she reserves the right at any point in that marriage to end it mhm it seems like a really bad negative outcome for the man doesn't it yeah I

Brian Atlasmean it does sound like an awful outcome for the man okay so but how is it binding her to the marriage you said there's a contract right but you said that you also said at any

KJpoint she reserves the right to leave the marriage for whatever reason yeah how is it binding there a contract as they said it it's a really so he get it

KJbinds him to get [ __ ] yeah but I think so it's not binding her to stay in the marriage okay yeah sorry I misworded it

KJit binds your assets is that sounds terrible doesn't it I mean no it doesn't good deal for a woman but okay you're going to go in with a person that you

KJlove and honestly if it is a relationship that ends and there's not really a reason and they just fell out of love you know it's you guys have is that a good reason is that a good reason to get not saying that's a good I think

KJthat's a pretty awful reason should go toing I think that you should go and do you think counseling can make you fall back in love with your partner I do think it can help you fall

Brian Atlasback in love part I you get a divorce hold on answer the question okay if you go to counseling and you the woman doesn't fall back in love with her husband but the marriage is otherwise a

Brian Atlashealthy one mhm doesn't abuse her doesn't cheat on her takes care of the kids they get a divorce yes no no no no that's not they can get a divorce I'm asking you should the woman get the

Brian Atlasdivorce no I don't think that you should get she fell she's fallen out of of love with him she wants to be in love with somebody else I think you can fall back in love with them if you wanted to what if she doesn't well then they're

KJprobably going to get a divorce I'm just saying well what if he doesn't want the divorce you're against marriage as a whole I think that if you are picking the right person I think if you're both choosing each other daily you're not putting yourself in those positions to

Brian Atlasbe falling in love with somebody else like I said at the very beginning no no I'm not saying that she falls in love with somebody else she's no longer in love with her husband she's desirous of love

KJperhaps of somebody else okay I don't I mean as they said I don't think she should have put herself in a position to be with fall out of love no I'm not

KJsaying that I do think people fall out of love all the time I think marriage is a choice I think love is a choice I will stand by that I think a lot of people fall out of love and they fall out of

KJthat feeling I think that love is a choice I think you choose that person every day and if you're both committed to doing that every day then you're going to have a healthy marriage it takes a lot of commitment it

KJtakes a lot of action it takes a lot of sacrifice all of these things go into a marriage you can definitely fall out of a feeling easily I think that a lot of people do in marriages you're not it's

KJnot going to be based on a Feeling one day you're going to have a fight it's going to end what it's going to end bad you know that's not a cause for a divorce in my opinion I think that it's a dumb reason for divorce okay but so of

Brian Atlasall the people that have ever been divorced uh do you think that they went into that marriage thinking that this isn't the person I love and that this isn't the person I want to spend the rest of my

Brian Atlaslife with no I don't think I would argue the vast majority of people who get married and eventually get divorced they think that at the moment I'm can you repeat that I'm so

Brian Atlassorry what well but okay so you're saying well you probably shouldn't get married then if these are the these are the things that are going through your mind but I would argue probably the majority of people who do get married

Brian Atlasand who regrettably well maybe not regrettably but who do end up getting divorced I would argue that those thoughts aren't going through their head and that they are thinking I love this person this is the best person I've ever been with I want to be with this person

KJfor the rest of my life three years later maybe that's not their outlook on that were they choosing to try every day is what I would ask them first it's hard to say that well then I would stand by that I think that

KJthat is what marriage is it's a commitment to trying to to be better for each other every day it's a 50/50 you have to keep trying it's not Based On A

Brian AtlasFeeling can I ask you a question are you religious yes Christian yes okay um so I certainly concede that there are religious reasons for getting married because I mean the religion compels it

Brian Atlasuh but for uh do you think secular people should get married yeah okay um so let's say you have a su secular secular couple

Brian Atlasnon-religious couple um can you explain to me what you can get from a marriage if you're secular that you can't just get from being in the mo monogamous

KJlong-term relationship and having kids I think it's just a commitment aspect of it like I go ahead continue I just think that like if you I don't see why not if

KJyou love each other first as much as you say you do why not again like like somebody said you're going to get tax you're going to get tax purposes that's a benefit so like what is the

KJpoint in not doing it if you are committing to your life together why not just do it then you're I I see benefits and you're going to you're scared of divorce but whether or not you get

Brian Atlasmarried and you end it's the same it's you're you just don't have the title but I could just reverse this on you and say well if you love me enough we don't have to get married so I could use the exact same

Jessica (project manager)logic in the reverse okay can I speak go ahead something on this so uh from a family memb perspective so it's you you asked why would a secular person ever want it the desire of marriage I think gay

Jessica (project manager)marriage has been fought for for so long for this exact reason you can build a life with someone sorry I keep shaking the table you can build a life with someone and God forbid something happens to you after you've built your life

Jessica (project manager)together to one of the partners and family comes in and they have the rights to everything legal assets wise that's happened to my great uncle him and his partner were together for 20 plus years they he unfortunately passed away of cancer prior to California becoming a

Jessica (project manager)legal state where marriage was uh marriage was legal and his partner's family came in and had legal assets and rights to everything and I know it's you can say m marriage is a business transaction I would say that it is

Jessica (project manager)saying you're committing your life to someone it's saying hey we're going to go through this together I'm Christian I can say I have religious reasons for but I also say if I'm going to pitch my tent to this person and I'm going to support gay marriage I think if someone has the

Jessica (project manager)right to it I think that's something you said you're Christian you support marriage as a Christian institution you support gay marriage let's not linger too long on that I'm not saying on that I'm just saying the secular argument for that piece cuz he was asking for a secular secular argument for it so what

Jessica (project manager)I was saying was for some someone is this would be a reason is legal legally speaking for the assets that you have in the life that you've built with someone you could have a family member of the

Brian Atlasoppos of your partner coming in and take everything from you wait hold on okay so I'm not I'm not an attorney I'm not an

Brian AtlasState Attorney yeah so you're saying that if you're not married that your partner's family would have some claim

Jessica (project manager)to your estate if the person that passed away did not the person that passed away their family has a right to come in and actually petition for all the legal

Brian Atlasrights the person who died their family their family right but I I'm not happens

Brian Atlasso I'm just giv you the AR forie hold hold on no no no no let's let's stick hold on I'm not an attorney I believe if you draft a will even if

Brian Atlasyou're not married and you say I would like to leave my estate or XYZ belongings or this amount of money

Jessica (project manager)to my life partner I I don't think Mar again but Bloodlines contition Wills every day all the time I've had friends that they do it whether the people are married or

Jessica (project manager)not though no but I'm saying people who have who are by Blood uh related to you they actually do have rights and they can petition the will and if there is no legal ass it is something that a lot of

Jessica (project manager)people go through so for instance if you have a parent that passed away and you have family that comes out of the Woodworks even though there's a will people can actually petition that will for it so it's one of those things I'm just giving the argument for legal sake

Jessica (project manager)of for a secular person if you were going to do it you wanted to build it you just lost the love of your life even if you just have everything the last thing you should want to go through is a legal battle with other people that are coming for the life that you've built

Brian Atlaswith your partner right but I suppose it could be contested even if you were the the will could or even if there's a lack of will the the estate can be contested

Jessica (project manager)whether you're married or not yeah ter to well it's also power of attorney if something happens to you vable who has right to say whether or not you live an advanced Healthcare directive if there if you have a life

Brian Atlaspartner you can say that this per I don't know if it's called power of attorney you can you can assign just like in the marriage you can assign it to an individual in the event for example Advanced healthc Care directive

Brian Atlasin the event of my incapacitation I wish for Alexa Morgan to be my okay this is not I'm not actually doing this this I wish for her to be my uh

Brian AtlasI'm not actually making an advanced Healthcare directive right now disclaimer uh I wish for her to oversee my uh all medical decisions and I I want

Brian Atlasa DNR do not resuscitate actually please resuscitate me but you can just have that you don't need a marriage you don't need a marage a lot of the time that's the thing what

Brian Atlasdo you mean I go to a website draft me up an advanced Healthcare directive draft me up a will and testament but boom Don don't get married Brian last time I was on the show I went on this

Briwhole rant about why I was against marriage and why I think it's a financial scam against men and I went on this whole rant of why I don't believe in marriage and you disagreed with me so now I'm kind of in shock that you're

Brisitting here and saying yeah you were there like no no no you were disagreeing with me and now you're sitting here saying the same things I was saying what did I disagree what did I disagree with

Briyou on I was saying that I feel like like M marriage is a scam I think that I didn't disagree if you did say yes you were disag if you maybe it was was there another guy here was yeah there was another guy here and both of you well

Briactually he was agreeing more with me but you were disagreeing with me and you were saying that no that men are meant supposed to be with one woman and get married and all this stuff and how men want should be one get Mar no you said

Briyou want to have three husbands or I said that's what I disagreed with no I was going on a rant about how marriage is a financial scam against Target I

Brihave I ever advocated Nick have I ever advocated for marriage well after this we're going to pull up the the podcast from last time I'm going to show you I think you're confused I'm going to show you where you were disagreeing with me

Bricuz I'm kind of in shock to hear this he's changed completely time bro I you are just confused last time I was here I was saying the same things that he's saying that I you're just confused maybe

Brian Atlasit was the other guy no I think we need yo Brian's Caucasian thank you for the gift of 20 memberships I think I know I think that's uh Natalia

Bribut I was going to ask a quick question how could they possibly take your state let's say you guys both buy a house and your mortgage your names are on the mortgage and everything how could they

Bricome take your half they can't take your half they take they they won't take your half they'll take your partner's half the person that is deceased okay well that's completely understandable it's their family exactly but they can't take your half they can't take your money but

Jessica (project manager)so what they can do is they can petition that they want to sell the property and now you have to move out of your home because they don't want to pay for that you don't have to move out of your home just because they say so that is your house just as much is but it's 50/50 you

Jessica (project manager)don't have 100% right to it it's it's it's a terrible thing like I'm not an advocate for it I think one of the things I would say is you know marriage should be something that people take extremely seriously I think people get married on a whim and that's something

Jessica (project manager)like I'm a big advocate for premarital counseling I think a lot of people should really push the limits of their relationship to say okay If X Y and Z potentially happens in our relationship how would we handle it are we compatible

Jessica (project manager)and really like go in with someone really trying to push you cuz like life life is hard and and there are more like I think the biggest mistake people have is thinking that nothing is ever going

Jessica (project manager)to happen to you and the re reality is [ __ ] happens you have to be ready for it you have to be prepared and even when you're as prepared as you possibly can be things will happen in your life that you can't be prepared for so the goal is

Jessica (project manager)to find a partner that's going to say in sickness and in health a if something happens to you even if this is not the life that we pictured together I'm going to stand by you because I'm choosing it like it's a choice every day you could do that without a contract though you

Bricould do that without signing the piece of paper you could but realistically how many people would stay well if they weren't going to stay without the piece of paper then they aren't going to stay with the piece of paper that's just their mentality think of it as a deposit

Jessica (project manager)on anything that someone think of it as a deposit anyone someone puts if someone is actually invested if someone puts the time if someone has to really think about this and make a public statement to their family and friends saying I am

Jessica (project manager)going to put everything on the line because I really want to be with this person and I'm willing to build a life marriage isn't for everyone I'm not advocating it for everyone it's not going to be in everyone's situation but people that do take that seriously I

Brithink that's something that's a covenant that people should I think if you're taking that seriously if you are taking a relationship seriously you're going to take it just a serious whether you sign it or not that's what I think like I don't think that signing a piece of

Bripaper all that really does is saying because mostly men are the bread winners like not all situations but mostly men it's just saying if you guys get divorced you get half of his stuff that's basically all it's saying so

Jessica (project manager)would you argue for that if someone is willing to do more of a traditional relationship where the woman says hey I'm willing to give up my career to build our family and to be at home and I'm going to I'm going to put myself at a disadvantage in that sense and I'm going to trust that you're going to be the brand winner do you think that's

Jessica (project manager)fair for her to have a marriage and a commitment in that sense I think well I like I said I don't believe in marriage so I just but if if if if a man and a woman are together yeah and they

Jessica (project manager)have more traditional values and they and he says Hey I want to be the bread winner I want to provide for you I want you to raise our children and stay at home and she sacrifices all the premarital counseling and all this

Britalking and all the seriousness that they put into it She Knows by now whether or not she should do it but she wouldn't do premarital counseling if she wasn't going to get married you just said you're not forar well then you could do counseling without you could go

Brido coup's therapy without being married I advocate for every couple to do Coupes couns either way it doesn't matter the piece of paper really doesn't matter it's about how much you value that person and want to dedicate yourself to

Jessica Pthat person you could do that without a piece of does anybody else want to weigh in on the marriage thing um I find it interesting that men who are legally married have a longer life expectancy um

Jessica Paccording to Harvard 10 plus years um so that I think proves that that for 10 plus years more yeah yeah it's extraordinary because I I think just

Jessica Pthat commitment and that security in the relationship and even having security over do you think that within that data though there would be a lot of guys who died young and didn't get married that could be

Jessica Pmhm an element of um happiness that does come with living with your Forever partner and deciding that you only want to be with each other and and not open that up to other also one variable in

Jessica (project manager)that study though is women tend to make men go to the doctor more so they were able to identify preventative care so that's one of the bigest things is a woman saying you need to go for your annual checkup so things were identif

Brian Atlaswhat would be the comparison though between married men and men who have long-term life Partners like what would be the difference like assume assume all

Brian Atlasthings are pretty much the same the only difference one couple is married one's not they're monogamous they stay together for life is the married couple still gonna like is the man in those

Jakesituations still gonna live 10 years longer I I'd say there probably something to do with meaning with a man having meaning in his life and having a family because there is something to that like Johan har has done a lot of

Jakework on this with um with some of the books that he's written about the fact that people who derive meaning from their life and have Community around them like this is why the people in the Mediterranean live so long because they're really close with their family and also they eat really good food but

Briyou can have a family with without signing the piece again it just comes down to the piece of paper that you are signing I didn't say that I didn't I didn't you're arguing with something I didn't say no that's what you're saying you're saying it comes down to because

Jakethey're happier and they have more purpose that's what marriage works more it doesn't matter generally people who are together are married though generally people who are together for a long period of time are married but they they can definitely stay together and like I don't disagree with Brian I don't really think people who are secular

Jakeshould necessarily get married I believe in marriage as a religious institution that's why I don't believe in gay marriage I'm surprised that you believe that an argument for a secular saying that yeah but but yeah so that's what I'm saying like most people who are married for a very long time uh who are

Jessica Ptogether for a very long time are married so I'd be interested to see like the the manure of that study but it it makes sense though also like brings more security into a relationship especially for women um because nine and 10 women

Jessica Pwho have abortions are not married so they don't feel like they have that security and that man who's going to stand up in their life and actually commit to their child but if you have that marriage contract um then there is

Jakemore security within Family Life yeah I'd say that men who don't get married also would tend to be much bigger Risk Takers by this I I would imagine so those are the kinds of guys who probably would die younger whereas men who do get

Jakemarried G to have like a quite more like straight 180 white picket fence type trajectory so but most marriages end in divorce so it doesn't really matter at the end of the day well the divorce gu is probably why they end up dying

Briearlier a stressful process they ended divorced probably cu the woman divorced him and took half his stuff and now he's depressed and no that's why he died I think that's what I said could be let me read we got three chats here David treak

Brian Atlasthank you man sorry about your neck Brian I've spent 8 months of My Life as a commercial diver in freezing Waters and there was only one woman who could

Brian Atlaskeep up respect to her but men do this well I'm curious which Ocean Atlantic Atlantic Ocean by the way did you ever

Brian Atlasencounter uh David I saw this like terrifying video about it's called Delta p it's where typically for underwater divers you see this with like underwater welders and stuff this was messed up

Brian AtlasI've saying this you've seen the Delta video where the crab gets like sucked in well no no no so like uh it's like something I don't know the exact science or physics of it but there's a pressure differential and basically underwater

Brian Atlasdivers who are typically like work they're working on a a dam or they're working on something underwater um if there's some sort of like um uh like a suction thing I don't know I can't

Jakeexplain I saw one on Mr Bolan where they were working within some sort of a vessel deep underwater and then one of them accidentally opened some sort of a suction thing and then they all got ripped into it and they all got sucked deep deep into this pipe and then there

Jakehappened to be a little tiny pocket and they were all in the pocket one of them decided to go back up made it back to the vessel but all the rest of them just stayed there until they died you you either get like the suction is so tight you either just get trapped against it

Brian Atlasand you make a seal and you're you basically die underwater or or the pressure is so extreme that you you get this is kind

Brian Atlasof you get sucked into a hole this big which is terrifying so David have you had any Delta P encounters it's called Delta P the phenomenon uh we have

Brian AtlasAnonymous yeah what what's the gender gap for Delta P fatalities I wonder what that oh I get paid PA 77 cents on the dollar

Brian Atlasfor my comfortable air conditioned office job what's the Delta P gender gap anyways look it up Delta P all right um sorry I pulled this up and I didn't read

Brian Atlasit hold on she was the one gave her the world is this a song lyrics She left took my kids turned them against me took 50% of my retirement takes 3,000 a month from me in last week took my death

Brian Atlasbenefits damn contract equals ruined Anonymous uh well thank you for your message I'm very sorry to hear about your experience I'm assuming you were married here gave her the world she left took your kids was there a custody

Brian Atlasdispute turn them against he said I'll pull pull up one more time turn them against me this is something that's often used in divorces this happens all the time parental alienation I've seen

Brian Atlasthis happen so many times and it does happen to be the case that more often than not when it comes to parental alienation more often men do this too I guess but like the mother will pull

Brian Atlaspoison the child and when I say I don't literally mean poison poison them in terms of like how you know we'll say things negatively about the husband and

Brian Atlasuh or the the father and it'll start alienating the child from their husband and you know young kids at that point they it's hard for them to know what's

Jakethe truth what's not and they turn the child against the father and it's just absolutely it's terrible for the child in Australia it's even worse than America like we have this rule in Australia where you can get a domestic violence order just on command if you're

Jakea woman you can just go to the police because we had there was a bunch of incidents that happened that led to this where they can just go to the police and they can basically just say he's abusing me and then he gets like a restraining order straight away restraining order from his kids and everything and then

Jakethat can be used and I heard some bad [ __ ] in the UK there's some similar [ __ ] in like the UK too with that um is it it's bad in Australia though that's terrible man I've seen so many people get absolutely shafted with this and and

JakeI'm a pretty open minded person when it comes to these sort of situations I don't really want to take a gendered stance but men get absolutely shafted in these situations well there's something called and Nick can you Google it's

Brian Atlascalled the duth model and I think this is something that was introduced in the 70s or 80s that sort of related to this a little different not really related well actually kind of related so the

Brian Atlasduth model if I have my if I recollect can you pull it up uh Wikipedia just click on the Wikipedia

Brian Atlasuh can you scroll to the top yeah I'm Community Based protocol it aims to um it's basically biased against men and

Brian AtlasI think the the application of it when it comes to let's say there's a domestic violence call right um it I don't know if this is actually the duth model but something like if there's a domestic

Brian Atlasviolence call somebody has to get arrested and they're overwhelmingly even if it's the woman they're going to arrest the larger person or some [ __ ] I don't know the exact things of it but that's why you got to turn your phone on these days and record interactions if

Jakeyou are having an interaction like that if girl going spazzing out on you turn your phone on press record and avoid that false allegation

Brian Atlasyeah we have uh Anonymous she was the one oh wait did I I read this one oh my bad uh 3 three uh one sec hold on 3,000 a month from me last week took my damnn

Brian Atlasdude how long oh I was curious to ask Anonymous how long were you married um and was it in the United States how long were you married was in the United States um

Brian Atlasyeah twitch guys go to twitch.tv whatever drops a follow drops a prime sub if you have one if you have Amazon Prime you can link it to your Twitch it's a quick fre easy way to support the show every single month if you're watching on Twitch drop us a follow and

Brian Atlasif you're watching over on YouTube open up another tab drop us a follow over there on twitch.tv/ whatever and then we have a chat here from Steven to the fake Christian women do you think gay

Brian Atlasmarriage oh jeez okay is encouraged tolerable in Christianity the material world is what these women are after virtues and morality are secondary

Brian Atlastertiary um I don't know who this is directed to maybe it's not doing it's not doing us on favor to call them fake Christians

Brian Atlasbut um for those of you who do consider yourself Christian um is gay marriage uh are you in favor of gay marriage like I guess who's who's

Brian AtlasChristian show of hands uh is gay marriage compatible with the

Jessica PChristian with Christianity starting with you this is a rough question it it's no it's not encouraged simple answer yeah I don't think gay marriage is permissible by the

Jessica PBible because God designed marriage for a man and a woman and we can even see that in our anatomy and the way that plays out in relationships and I think a lot of people um can be hurt in

Jessica Ppremarital relations whether or not it's um LGBT or straight um which is why we're told not to um you know have sex before marriage or have multiple partners I think it can be just as

Jessica Pharmful as as somebody who chooses to live that LGBT lifestyle um basically just living against God's design for marriage is really harmful no matter what that looks like

Jessica (project manager)I would agree with everything she just said killed it yeah I agree um it's just between a man and a woman I would say as a Christian that's what I believe as well but I'm also

Jessica (project manager)someone that recognizes we are in a world where I I support everyone and we have a right in this country whether or not it's something that I'm in favor for or not is irrelevant it's something that I I think everyone has a right to that

Brian Atlasand that's what we're that's that's the reality of where we're at so I'm you don't personally believe that gay marriage is permissible not in the Christian Faith No all right we have a chat from bedra the offender hey dude good to see you man it's been a minute

Brian Atlasuh thank you man appreciate the Super Chat my aunt and uncle will be married for 50 years next month they're Catholic had four kids two sons two daughters my aunt grew up in a home with six brothers

Brian Atlasthe size of a small Corner Store be married congrats man glad your uh parents are still together actually or well sorry not your parents your aunt and uncle uh good to see you in the chat by Under the fender pleasure as always

Brian Atlasactually a question kind of riffing off off of this uh are your parents still together separated divorced whatever never married divorced divorced they're still together

Jessica (project manager)together together together I'm a rebound baby wait what's that my parents were never married I was the product of a rebound huh awesome okay Jake what about

Jakeyou parents together now I'm all been passed away when I was 19 sorry to hear that were they your parents together when oh he got really sick when I was younger but they they were like yeah still technically married and stuff few difficulties in the marriage but they

Brian Atlaswere still together she she looked after him until he died so awesome okay uh let's see we have a question here from Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on the scale of 1 to 10 starting with you go ahead you remember this from the last time I don't

Brirate come on shouldn't you manifest that 10 I don't rate because rule number 76 no excuses play like a

BackgroundChampion I just don't do it just do it okay I will say this I don't think I'm dreams I will say that

Backgroundyesterday you said tomorrow so just do it make your dreams come true just do it cuz that's what you really want to know no I don't think I'm success while

Backgroundyou're going to wake up and work hard at it nothing is impossible you should get to the point where anyone else would quit and you're not going to

Backgroundstop there no what are you waiting for do it

Brijust do it yes you can great just do it can you answer the question manifest it um like I said I don't think I'm a 10

Brithat's what you want to know that's the answer you want to know is if we think we're what okay if you're not a 10 what do you rank yourself do you rank yourself a one I don't rank myself do you rank

Jessica Pyourself a two three four five six that's it all right what about you I would say a 6.5 say seven by what metric

Jessica Pare we rating ourselves un un social un perspective or cuz I I think maybe societally I might be a seven but we're all made in the image of God so I think

Jakewe're all tens okay um seven five eight Jake give myself a

Brian Atlasseven you're not going to answer not a 10 I get myself a five rock you went down what is that oh I got fat I can't wait I got daad B right now

Brian AtlasI gotta lose that [ __ ] love that I got H still all right uh she's not going to answer so I'm going to give that to clown world like the video guys um let's

Brian Atlassee here hold on let's get back into the pre-show pre-show notes we have we got through all of KJ's stuff we have um Paulina no show uh let's see we have

Brian AtlasRyan Ryan your last name on your Instagram is Abie that's my last is that your actual last name any relation to the clothing brand uh you consider yourself

Brian Atlastraditional yeah traditional okay i' lean that side you said uh for crazy unique dating stories in your early 20s you noticed what did I write that I oh my goodness

Ryan Abiethis is so embarrassing I'm just prompting you this is so embarrassing okay um so I used to bartend all my way through college um and it was a very

Ryan Abiefamily type bar so it was dads and kids moms um so a lot of dads would hit on me whether they were single or married and I guess I started really liking dads um

Ryan Abieor I guess it was more just mature people after dating guys in college um this is during my single era and basically this Dad would just continue to tip me $100 every single time he came

Ryan Abieand he would ask me out whenever he did it I would always say no my mistake was like at $800 he like asked me and I finally said yes and I wish I didn't but decided to go on that date um was he

Ryan Abiemarried with the kids no he was getting divorced yeah um don't know if it was settled yet but they were not together um yeah so basically he lived at this

Ryan Abiehouse with his kids and his wife at one point he got to keep the house um at one point me and my friend he liked her a lot too um we both went like not romantically he just thought she was

Ryan Abiefunny we both went over to his house um we were drinking bottles of wine um I think we were like too deep and then eventually he was just like telling us about his divorce and everything that's going wrong on and like his life and this is so embarrassing my friend just

Ryan Abielike ended up doing like a Circle so for about 10 minutes we just like prayed over him and that's that's exactly what happened that's not where I saw that going no I'm glad it I'm just like it was literally I was locked into that

Jakestory yeah I was thinking he was going to put on some Rod Stewart you know 10 PR just like drunk as hell it was awful put on a wig no he really needed prayer

Brian Atlasmaybe he needed someone to pray I no and I'm happy we did that but it's just like after we left we were like what did we just do private chat I'll get back to we have some other notes for you Brian and we'll get back to them in just a sec we finally were

Brian Atlasable to find his Instagram so we'll pull him up this is our homie Golden Gopher Golden Gopher we're going to pull you up normally we don't do this for this uh threshold but unfortunately you don't

Brian Atlashave anything on your [ __ ] Instagram buddy so uh put this on that's fine actually uh scroll down is that it bro we can't this is not

Brian Atlasuh the reason I was asking for was hopefully so we could uh make an assessment look at you zoom in on that one tag I don't I don't want to do

Brian Atlastagged I don't want to do tagged I don't know what's on there uh scroll up Nick bro he's a gopher all right so I guess you see that thing at the very bottom there he's a gopher um unfortunately we can't really do assessment there if we

Brian Atlaslook at your profile photo uh you said your click on it it'll go big oh do you have to right click and open the new t no you just click just zoom it uh not on

Brian Atlasdesktop not on desktop uh okay golden goer he's he says he's 510 225 well bro you're just like me man we both got to lose a bit of weight brother

Jakeyou and me we got to lose a bit of weight so um that's my advice live weights four times a week and walk 10,000 steps a day go sounds basic [ __ ] advice but honestly if you get that down it really works a lot of guys will train

Jaketrain train for a few months lose the weight put it on lose weight put it on if you maintain that pretty easy lifestyle four times a week in the gym get lots of steps in count your calories

Brian Atlasyou're good we uh going back to you Ryan so You' said in your early 20s you noticed you and I don't know if you mentioned this you began gravitating towards older men yeah did you say that

Ryan Abiealready I said I referred to it as dads but yes more mature guys yeah okay how old are we like what's oh I mean 28 to 32 like nothing crazy but when I was I mean I was 21 and you said probably

Brian Atlasbecause their frontal lobe was a bit more developed or so you thought and then you're dating the dad that you told us about yeah pray prayer

Brian Atlascircle or whatever okay um that's correct and then you said months later he or did you say this he literally had your other ex-boyfriend you guys they became mermaids oh my God anyways I

Brian Atlasdon't know if that's that's really that interesting no it's not I'm happy to tell I don't yeah yeah you said you dat you've dated a few dads 30-year-olds when you were in college each situation was unique SL crazy

Ryan Abieha yeah I mean I guess I think it's just weird for a 30-year-old to be interested in a 21-year-old College why why would that

Jakebe weird cuz I wasn't mature good were you hot I guess maybe thought I was do you think there's your answer do you think that guys care if you're mature

JakeI don't know my older brothers just always by mature if they're like Dy like 21y old and don't know anything and just have like Tik Tok brain then no way but if they're immature in the sense that they haven't gone out and really battled

Jakein the workplace and gotten sharp elbows then that's a green flag you know yeah I can see that these guys were not green flags if they're like nice values and they're sweet girl and a little bit

Ryan Abieimmature that's fine yeah I guess I can see that I don't know I just with I don't know I think it's my older brothers telling me that they would never date a 20y old one year old

Ryan Abiewhen they're 30 so I kind of just got how old are your brothers 30 it's a NYE age Gap it's just a significant one I mean no I think it's fine yeah I think a 9year age Gap is fine but I think it's

Jakejust the point of like me being in college and them why I think that's perfect for a girl in college to dat an older guy like that why otherwise you're dating a guy in college you're you're not going to

Jakefollow his doesn't know what the f he's doing with his life he's in college yeah that's very true yeah but if you date a guy who's a little bit older like women inherently want guidance from a man they they want a man that they can look up to and a man who's been through the things

Jakeand can guide them through so nothing weird about that at all I find it weird when girls in college are dating other guys in college I don't think like when I was when when I like when I was younger 19 20 sort of thing as a guy all

Jakeof the girls your age are all dating older guys but when I was 19 I was like fat ass I was like 110 kilos dang it so but like yeah all the girls tend to be dating up so yeah wait that was your

Jakethat was your experience in college I didn't go to college oh okay but um I did go to like obviously high school and stuff and then after that you just get no play but like I said I was really fat you can look at that on my instam okay wait you're wait pull it up let's wait

Jakeyou used to be fat I used to be fat ass it's all on my instag let's let's find it with a beer and a sigy how far down not far you P chubby kid or was it through the no I was I was chubby since I was like cuz right now dude yeah I'm

Jakedoing all right we see d double b yeah no but I started boxing and then like lost 30 kilos with my boxing coach in oh nice man that's

Brian Atlasawesome um I mean I think probably though that when it comes to college there's definitely I think there's a greater proportion of women who are going to be dating older men but I think

Jakeit like the the reality is probably like most girls in college dating college guys yeah no that's true because it's it's their immediate circle and I don't think they're really looking for that more longterm probably looking to just have a bit more fun and date someone

Brian Atlastheir age and stuff I think there's far fewer for example College age men that are dating like women in their 30s like that's super rare super rare I got a pH let's see it holy

Jake[ __ ] bro what a [ __ ] Legend you look like a legend on the on the left though yeah I was I was fun I was fun that's for sure that was like my 19th birthday how much how much did you weigh 110

Jakekilos yeah I was a piece of [ __ ] I that's like that's like 2:3 2:30 yeah something like that but I used to I used to wake up every single day at like 3:00 or 400 p.m. play video games all night

Jakeuntil about 6:00 a.m. sort of thing and just eat ice cream and

Jaketoties thing your mindset changed and then the photo on the right is is before my first fight so this was that was you box her yeah boxing nice that was pre

Jakeand after the camp though the these are 8 we photos one was like a few years good [ __ ] man congrats man that's awesome I got to get on

Jakethat you can do that see you can go from being not there to being there yeah you can it's it's you definitely can like I said it's a it's a slow slow progress

Brian Atlasyou just got to make those small adjustments yeah okay uh let's see here oh we were talking about the age Gap stuff though

Brian Atlasuh I don't know if it's worth the Ling on that for too long um let's see we'll go back to my notes Here you also uh

Brian Atlaslet's see you wanted to talk about chivalry red flags first AIDS men not being men anymore coaching guys on how to flirt and why men cheat so there's a lot there why don't we do coaching guys

Ryan Abieon how to flirt what did you want to talk about on that oh I have some male co-workers that will just like talk to me about them going on first dats and I just they're such great guys and it's just not hitting I think the way that

Ryan Abiethey think that it is what do you mean intention versus execution yeah yeah like they're just so sweet but I think they yeah yeah they're sweet they're

Ryan Abiegreat guys they're employed yeah huh it's the flirting part that is just maybe a little cringy flirting is very difficult it know I know and that's why playing

Ryan Abiewith GS is incredibly difficult sometimes it's better to do less than than overcompensate maybe so so you coach them on how to flirt or I mean I'm not an expert in it for

Ryan Abiesure but I could give some tips just to make it a tiny bit better but I kind of yeah I kind of agreed with you on like that piece of it of like just that's what I'm saying up your game a tiny bit and it's not like obviously I'm not

Ryan Abiegoing to make him turn into like the top 1% I don't have that in me whatsoever but just a little bit of and I guess a little piece of it is like teach like my brother is like awful when it comes to chivalry and so I always try to teach him how to like take a girl in a first

Ryan Abiedate wait your hold on hold on your brother is awful at chivalry what do you mean oh he just like doesn't know how to take a girl on a first date like he'll DM me or no sorry he'll message me like a DM that he has with a girl and he's just like how do I ask her out and then

Ryan Abiehe'll like tell me what his plan and is and I'm just like oh no no maybe just adjust it a little bit maybe I like that because I think it's great that your brother's not chor interrupting me most

Brigirls good for him if you're watching I most girls will see men like that and want to bash them that's why I saw and I was like I want to help them like they need that little push they need that

Brilittle okay this is what you could change so that's why I want this is such great marketing because most women want to bash the men and just be like oh well they suck like look so you're you're

Jaketelling me that you see all those men you see all those Bottom Feeders I they are in your perview yes they follow me they talk to me and I've talked to them for years and they follow you and talk to you yeah and I've talked to them for

Jakeyears tell what you tell them to do what you tell them to do yeah unfollow you straight away is what they should do tell them to unfollow every single girl that they don't know and that goes for everyone listening to this podcast as

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