HEATED DEBATE! She ONLY Dates FAT Men?! He CHEATED On Her With Her MOM?! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk 286

Date: 2026-03-16

Duration: 8h 57m

Guests

NNicole (Kansas)

Brian Atlas

LLexi (Chicago)>

BBri Nightwood >

KKaylee Chico >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Julia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kaylee Chico(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lindsey(guest)

SPEAKER_05Jenny(guest)

SPEAKER_07Laetitia(guest)

SPEAKER_08Chris Love(guest)

SPEAKER_09Maria (NC)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Lexi (Chicago)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Veronica(guest)

SPEAKER_12Brooklyn(guest)

SPEAKER_14Bri Nightwood(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

ControversyVeronica cries and rage quits during weight rejection debate

ControversyLindsey rage quits/kicked off after confronting Brian

Key MomentMichaela drove 2.5 hours to date wheelchair man with warrants, chose him over green-flag guy

Key MomentLexi: 27yo boyfriend cheated on her with her biological mother when she was 17

Key MomentBri Nightwood: throuple with Satanist DJ with 12 dead exes and subliminal mind control

QuoteBri made $1M from dick ratings on OnlyFans (10,000+ ratings)

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions + Findom

Lexi (findom $10K/mo), Chris Love (Playboy/stripper), Brooklyn, more.

Rage Quits

Veronica cries and rage quits during weight debate. Lindsey also rage quits/kicked off.

Lexi Ex Cheated With Her Mom

At 17, her 27yo boyfriend cheated with her biological mother at a hotel.

Bri Satanist DJ Throuple

Throuple with DJ who had subliminal mind control frequencies, altar for taking souls, 12 dead exes.

Trivia Failures

Chris Love can't name Canada. Valerie guesses 7 states in USA. Jenny thinks France capital is Italy.

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Jennymake? I mean, we are I mean, it's not the same as going to war, but we are staying home with the kids. We're cooking. We're cleaning. We're taking care of the other uh household while they're gone. We're taking care of the whole house. So, I mean, it's kind of um like a push and a shove. Not as much,

Jennybut you're going to war and while you're there, I'm going to take care of the kids, cook, clean. If you don't have kids, you're taking care of the house just to maintain it. Um so, I think doing that uh kind of puts in that uh

Juliawhat I'm going to do while you're gone. >> I will say, I see your point. It's pretty insane that we have the draft as an extra thing for men. Especially since Do you have a boy? >> I do. >> Yeah. Except like as a boy mom, I'm like that's terrifying to think about that.

Maria (NC)Like you have to like sign off that, right? Cuz it's like, you know, we haven't had one in a while, but potentially it could happen. >> I mean, my husband was in the military. I mean, I have family members who are in the military and did that, you know,

Juliafree, you know, of their own free will. >> Um, but that's completely different. Free will is like you're like offering it though and then there's all these incentives most of the time too like you get rewards from the government versus like you don't have a choice.

Lexi (Chicago)>> That's scary. I would like >> um like during like war isn't like a lot of like the casualties like women. No, men. >> Well, I mean like um like when we're if

Lexi (Chicago)like the United States went to war, like historically, a lot of the women here would also be like we would be endangered as well, you know, like we wouldn't be like safe just cuz we're at home. >> Well, I mean, if if there was fighting

Maria (NC)on the ground in the United States, I'm sure there would be some civilian casualties, but it's still going to be 99% men. like all the wars that there have been, sure, there have probably been some casualties of women and

Juliachildren. Um, but it's the vast majority of the people who've died in the war were the men. >> I will say I agree with your point on that too cuz I've seen like I've had friends in the military and even the friends that have served in the front

Julialines and stuff like or like closer to that, it seems like they're just not put in as dangerous situations. And then historically, we haven't really had like a fight on US soil in like a ve we have

Juliaa crazy military budget. So the chances of that happening are like significantly low even with stuff happening in Iran right now, >> right? Yeah. I mean because Canada and Mexico aren't going to attack us and

Juliamost likely no one's going to bring the continuous United States. >> Like we're more protected against like random civilian attacks and stuff like that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah,

Brooklyn>> that's true. So I think we should either abolish the draft or add women to it. And then also with women not being able to vote and wanting to repeal the 19th

Maria (NC)amendment, what about single women or like lesbian couples? >> Well, I mean the you you still have an opportunity to sway the men around you.

Maria (NC)You don't know any men if you're a lesbian. I mean, I'm guessing no men. >> So, you can have conversations with them. You can still go to your representatives. You can write letters. You can make phone calls. I mean, that's what the women did in the early 1900s

Maria (NC)before they had the chance to vote is they just gathered in groups and then they went and spoke to groups of men and said, "This is why we think that this should happen." Um, >> so you think instead of having your own

Brooklynballot, it's better to try to manipulate the men around you? >> I think that men are not easily emotionally manipulated and women are. I

Maria (NC)think that it's really easy to pull on a woman's heartstrings and unfortunately God made us so that it's easy for our heartstrings to be pulled. I think that that's why we're good moms and that's

Maria (NC)why we're good caregivers. But it also makes it hard for us to sometimes be able to look through the tears to the facts of any given situation.

Lexi (Chicago)>> Yeah. I think like men and women like we all have our strengths and we we uh weaknesses. Yeah. So, you know, I don't think the going to war is uh one of our strengths here.

Maria (NC)>> I mean, I think if if it was I don't think we can abolish the draft, unfortunately. Um because you need to have some sort of safeguard if World War II happens or whatever.

Maria (NC)>> Um >> but I think I would, you know, I wouldn't want to be drafted. I'm probably too old. I think that it's like, is there an age cut off? Um the first group is like 20s, something like

Maria (NC)that, 18 to 20ome and then if they get desperate they yeah they they'll just keep calling the age groups. Um but uh I mean women can serve in other capacities. Um they could be medics,

Maria (NC)they could be operations people like they probably wouldn't put women on the front line because we're not as strong as men. or not. And I think Brian sometimes likes to make the point that if women were on the front line, the enemy would just be like, "Well, let's

Maria (NC)ravage the women and that'll >> Yeah. >> I mean, that's a strategy that's been used by armies in the past." So, um, but I think that there's a lot of support roles women could play if necessary that would free up more women to be on the

Maria (NC)front or more men, excuse me, to be on the front lines if it came down to that. >> So, a child-free woman cuz then what would happen to the kids? >> Yeah. I mean that and that's why women have to stay home right now.

Maria (NC)>> Yes. And that is that is I think um like if a woman decides to join the military and then gets cold feet or is going to be uh what is it is going to be what is

Maria (NC)the word word? She's sent anyway when a soldier is like sent overseas or whatever. If she ends up pregnant then they keep her home. >> Yeah. >> So I mean I don't think that would be

Maria (NC)terrible because we also have a birth decline um like worldwide. So, uh I guess if the women just all want to get out of the draft by having babies, that'll overall be for the good. >> Yeah. >> Um >> seriously.

Julia>> So, >> I feel like it's harder to be like a mom now these days, too. Like compared to like Well, like depending on your situation cuz like child care gets so expensive and then it's like it's so hard to be like a stay-at-home mom

Maria (NC)sometimes for people. >> You have to make sacrifices if that's the plan that your you and your husband or partner have agreed upon. For sure. >> I feel like the draft is scary is for me

Julialike the president would be like there being no draft like fixing the draft like part of it cuz it is scary thinking of like in a situation if like your kid had to be drafted. It doesn't feel like

Lexi (Chicago)it's like a very fair tradeoff. >> Yeah. But what if we went to war and we don't have anyone to fight for our country >> cuz nobody wants to volunteer. That's true.

Lexi (Chicago)>> Yeah. sometimes you like you know this is why like things are like that like >> don't we have a large enough military do you think we seem like you know this >> I well I don't I don't know that much

Maria (NC)about that but um I mean I think we're we're all right right now but if a war were to break out then after you know so much time now who knows this is kind of we're in a world of

Maria (NC)>> everything's being fought mostly with like drones and AIs and like people flying planes and dropping bombs and so there's less hand to hand type of stuff going on. But >> yeah, it's just button to button.

Maria (NC)>> Yeah, but I mean I just I don't think you I think any giant um conflict would eventually lead to the place where you would have to pull in people who weren't as willing to go.

Julia>> Yeah. Do you feel like also like I'm interested in your thoughts on this since like you have the ideas of like the whole psyche thing. Do you think that like war would be less efficient if women were running it? Like remember the movie Oenheimer? Did you see that? >> I did not see that.

Maria (NC)>> Yeah. You didn't see that? No. But like making hard decisions like that >> would be hard for women. >> Um I I mean I think yes. I think it would be harder to like I don't think that women should be in that position

Maria (NC)where they're you know saying drop this bomb or whatever. Like I had an uncle who was in I don't know one of the wars in the mid 1900s. Oh sorry. Um, and he he would

Maria (NC)talk about like he was the guy in the air traffic tower who had to make the call on a plane dropping a payload payload and that haunted him as he got older, my great uncle. Um, and so I

Maria (NC)don't think women could do that. I think it we would hesitate way too long. I think I think we have a tendency to nuke things. >> Um, so >> yeah, but then like even though that was like a hard decision for him too, I'm sure at the time it's like okay then if

Maria (NC)he doesn't do that, what is the other person going to do? He's looking at the greater good and this is the role that he's placed in to serve. Yeah. >> Um >> is there um cuz you have the military background. Is your husband in the military?

Maria (NC)>> My husband was in the Navy for six years. Okay. >> Yeah. He served in Japan. >> So, >> have you had to move anywhere? >> No, that was before we met. I got you. So, I just have the pictures and he wears his coveralls from time to time.

Maria (NC)>> Oh, nice. >> Was he serving in Okinawa? Um, no. He So I don't I don't know where he was stationed in Japan, but he was there during 911. So then they got pulled out immediately. >> Oh, no.

Maria (NC)>> Yeah. So um Yeah. What else should we say, guys? >> Um

JuliaI don't know. I got yelled at last time I made a topic. Do you guys feel like do you feel like um so you feel like men are better off like running military stuff anyways?

Lexi (Chicago)>> I I I mean I think so. >> I think What do you guys think? >> Oh, I have another question. So, do you guys think that women can be president? Because you guys are saying that women can't make these

Juliabig decisions and we talked about like having a woman as a president. Everybody was like, "Oh yeah, women could be presidents." Now you guys are kind of retracting. I think they can, but I think like in the context of the United States, like it's hard to say like when

Juliapeople say like sometimes people like I'm I feel like I'm more moderate, but people will say things like we're going to take away everyone's firearms and I'm like that's never going to work in the United States. This isn't Japan. You know what I mean? So I feel like in the

Juliacontext of like realistically where our country is at, I don't think it would like elect a woman president >> in the near future and then like the kind of like disrupt the disrupt that

Maria (NC)that would like cause >> would make the political parties like go even further. >> I agree. >> I don't think that a woman can be president. Um and I know that might

Maria (NC)sound misogynist or whatever, but I think that we're way too emotional again. Um, and I think that it would just turn

Maria (NC)everything into this like catfight everywhere. Um, I think that there's a place for women in politics. I think like press secretary, great place for politics because she can snap back when

Maria (NC)people are giving her attitude and shut things down. But I think when you're leading a country and you're the face of the country, there's just too many ways that

Maria (NC)the emotions can be played to. You can't help the fact that you're like this all month long depending on where you are in your cycle. It's an unfortunate reality. >> Um >> and then I mean, God forbid the

Juliapresident gets pregnant. >> Um that would be something. I I think that would be really bad. her period and broken up with same week. >> Girl, I will say as somebody who dates girls, there is a thing where like the mood swings are a thing.

Julia>> They're a thing. >> It's like literally like >> baby daddy came back. >> Literally, you're dating like a different person like if she's like >> depending on like if people have extreme periods. I had a girlfriend with PMDD. So, it's like the person that I was

Maria (NC)dating when she's like on her period is like not the person I was dating. Like >> I don't want her in control of a nuke. I think women like to get offended by it, but it's an unfortunate reality of our life and you can't get rid of it.

Maria (NC)There's been a huge shift away from hormonal birth controls because of what it does to women. As a result, like for me, I just track everything on a calendar and that's how my husband have done everything. We haven't gotten

Maria (NC)pregnant unless we wanted to get pregnant. Um, but I definitely know like, oh, it's coming like >> and I feel so much better when it's done. And yeah, >> but to be fair, when do we ever elect

Bri Nightwoodsomeone like under the age of 60? So I feel like hormones your like your hor hormones won't be as intense at that age. >> I mean it's fair it could be a menopausal woman but her hormones are still crazy. >> Yeah.

Maria (NC)>> It's really bad. Yeah. I feel like menopause premenopause menopause per menopause. Like unfortunately we never get rid of the crazy hormones cuz then when you lose your estrogen >> then you're crazy too. Like I I just you

Lexi (Chicago)could >> and I've met a lot of men that are like older much older and you know how like people say like oh they're like beyond their years like that's how I feel about a lot of people that are are older in general like men and women. >> I will say old ladies or old guys, you

Juliaknow, like they just like they just seem so smart. >> Yeah. No, I I was just saying I agree with you. Like I feel like men like in my experience like even though I prefer dating that's how I know I prefer dating girls cuz like girls be crazy. Like the

Juliamen will like if you're having the same argument with a man sometimes unless it's really bad like I feel like it just doesn't scale to the it doesn't get out of hand as fast >> and they're over it. They don't hold the gr >> I will like want to go to my husband and

Lexi (Chicago)like apologize for something stupid I said earlier in the afternoon that he got mad and left and he's like >> what are you talking about? Like that's that's done. Let's not bring it back up. >> Because men are not emotional like that. They won't hold on to something just because of like an emotional response to

Lexi (Chicago)it. Mhm. >> They'll hold on to something because it's like actually a problem that's like reoccurring, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Did you have any input on this, Bri? The voting thing. >> Um,

Jenny>> did she already What did I What did I say? >> I swear I said something. >> No, I Yeah, you responded to her question. I just don't know what you said. You were

Laetitia>> It was a few minutes ago. I forgot. Well, I think she had brought up the draft. And look, I I don't think that we

Laetitiashould point blank repeal the 19th. Caveat though, if we make I mean, this is the current status quo. Men are subject to military conscription, the

LaetitiaUnited States government can force men to go into the military, go to the front line. Women have no such obligation or duty or responsibility.

LaetitiaWomen have a privilege thus by having access to the vote without any uh duty to the country, without any responsibility to the country, any

Laetitiaobligation that puts women in a privileged position over men. Women just got the thing for free. Men have to

Laetitiamen have to be subject to potentially [ __ ] dying in order to be able to vote. If there was some sort of reverse reversal of that, in order for women to

Laetitiabe able to vote, they had to potentially die and men didn't have that. Feminists would be losing their [ __ ] mind. Oh my god, it's so unfair. We have to close this inequality.

LaetitiaI think if we're not going to have a serious conversation about delivering equality to women, then we got to take

Laetitiaaway your right to vote or you get half the half the power of men's vote. That's only if now my first step is not that. My first step is women can maintain the

Laetitiaright to vote, but you also have to be subject to military conscription. That's equal. That's equality. And even then, you would still be privileged because you wouldn't be sent to the front lines. >> Women wouldn't be Women are not sent to

Bri Nightwoodthe front lines. Women are predominantly in support roles. >> Well, no. I was going to say we do risk our lives in childbirth, though. >> Okay. Can the government force you to have a child

Laetitia>> here? You for this engagement, please switch back to Nathan.

Bri Nightwood>> Go ahead. >> Oh, wait. >> Go ahead. You're good. I that's what I what did I just say that um we risk our lives. >> My question was >> can the government force women to have children?

Laetitia>> Oh no but >> okay can the government force women to do anything? >> Uh I don't know. >> Right. So can a woman who is like never plans on ever having a child can she

Laetitiavote? >> I mean yes. >> Right. So would you make it an obligation for a woman to be able to vote to have a child? >> No. Okay. So, what does what's

Bri Nightwood>> I I just meant cuz you said how I don't know. I thought you implied for a second like we don't risk our lives at all like in general, but that is like something to where women do risk their lives. I know we don't not every woman

Laetitiahas >> the mortality rate. Hold on. Uh we live in 2026 pretty high. >> No, it's not high. Women get pregnant and give birth and the chance of you

Laetitiadying is like incredibly low. while it happens. Uh, no, no, >> there's still risks, but yeah.

Laetitia>> Okay, there's still risks, but there's not even if even if even if that was true, even if we grant it, the government isn't forcing a woman ever to get pregnant. >> I know,

Laetitia>> right? So, that's irrelevant. >> Okay. >> Right. So again, uh, and also, even if you're saying, "Well, look, okay, Brian, obviously the government's not going to force women to have children, but it's

Laetitialike a social obligation, a social duty." It clearly isn't. Women are not having children or they're waiting until they're [ __ ] late 20s and 30s to start having kids. The we're below

Laetitiareplacement level. We're having like 1.5 kids or some [ __ ] >> Yeah. And most of that it's not even >> it's [ __ ] immigrants who are having

Laetitiathe [ __ ] kids. >> It's not even Americans really. So this idea that uh well women are risking their lives. It's like well are they? I

Laetitia>> mean that's one way we can risk our life. That's what I meant to say. >> Okay. Well men can risk their lives doing things that aren't related to the military. Like men's jobs are predominantly way more dangerous than

Laetitiawomen's jobs. >> 93% of workplace fatalities are men. Majority of workplace injuries, men. So we risk our lives beyond just military.

LaetitiaWe risk our lives in the workforce. Women, y'all mostly are in air conditioned office jobs that are comfortable.

LaetitiaSo, yeah.

LaetitiaDo you want to respond? >> I mean, yeah. I said I agree. >> So, okay. You're in favor of us giving women like three-fifths power to their vote. >> Oh, it Well, okay. I actually just

Bri Nightwoodremembered what I said in response to her. Um I said her right to vote cuz she said um how um she would >> Oh, I vote how my husband

Bri Nightwood>> Yeah. So it's technically it's counting like your vote is adding to his. So >> uh sure I guess.

Bri Nightwood>> Yeah. So if she didn't have the right then I don't know it wouldn't count like I mean it would just be her husband's vote. It wouldn't be double the power. >> Okay. >> Yeah.

Laetitia>> But it doesn't So if we're talking about equality though uh I mean perhaps there's another form of equity that could exist. If you're saying women's

Laetitiaobligation is to birth children, uh, then maybe we should have a birthing draft.

Laetitia>> Yeah. I mean, they can choose their partner, but >> No, seriously though, cuz like the birth rate is declining, so that would help actually a lot. >> But I mean, that's completely politically untenable. Feminists will

Laetitialose their mind. Even conservative women will lose their mind. Um, so and I'm not in favor of that, just to be clear. Um,

Laetitiabut I think actually feminists would sooner prefer equality in the draft than having like this weird equity thing where >> Yeah. >> Uh, yeah. Women have to like birth

Laetitiachildren or something to get the right to vote. That's probably way less preferable. >> Well, the out would be getting pregnant then if you were going to get drafted. Well, that's the other thing is that yes

Laetitiafor the other thing is the the Well, that's an interesting outlook on that. But uh if a woman volunteers to join the military, which they can, uh women can

Laetitiaavoid deployment if they get pregnant. So, like, yes, even if you did have a draft, women uh even if they're not pregnant, women typically aren't going to be drafted to

Laetitiabe like frontline soldiers like busting down doors in Baghdad, you know? They're not going to be doing that. at least

Laetitiawhen we were in the milit the conflict in Iraq many years ago. But uh I mean women will always find a way to escape

Laetitiauh that even if they were drafted. Yeah. Okay. Just get knocked up. Women actually women volunteer soldiers who are women when they're like, "Oh [ __ ] we're going to get deployed to the Middle East. Oopsie. Got pregnant.

Laetitia>> Discharge." >> I have heard that happens actually. >> Oh, they do it all the time. They're like, "Fuck, I don't want to go to Afghanistan." Whoops, got pregnant. Okay, discharge me. Yeah, I mean, so women will always find a way to uh get

Laetitiathemselves out of that situation. Not all women, but um Yep. So, I don't know. I don't really know the solution, but at least a good

Laetitiastarting point is women should be subject to military conscription. I'm fine with women keeping the right to vote, but it should be in the same way that it's tied to men's sub being subject to military conscription, women

Laetitiashould also be subject to military conscription. And [ __ ] it, just send all the women. Don't even send any men. Just send women. See how that goes.

Laetitia>> Well, my husband would rather go to war and have me keep the kids. Well, maybe you get a pass if you have children, but um well, I guess men who men who have children don't get the pass

Laetitiaeven then. So, >> it's unfair. >> So, yeah. Okay. Um let's see here. We have some things on the questionnaire. Why don't we go there? Uh do we have the

Laetitiathings from the Discord like the the research tab or whatever? like all the AI swaps. Okay.

LaetitiaUh let's see here. All right. Uh let's just go into some notes here. Uh Kaylee, you're a clairvoyant.

Jenny>> Um yeah, so I practice witchcraft and then um hoodoo. Uh >> what is hudoo? So hoodoo is it's not voodoo for anyone out there who's not

Jennyfamiliar. Voodoo and voodoo are two separate things. Voodoo is going to be more um like sacrifices and using different animals, live animals and different things to do rituals where

Jennyhudoo is very much um ancestrally derived. So from my black ancestors, I use um my ancestral background uh to

Jennybring forth um I guess just like good luck um just my values and morals. And

Jennythen uh when it comes to being able to see things before they happen, um it's normally in my dreams. Uh, it's always I either have a really visual night terror where I end up like punching the

Jennyheadboard or like I'm uh I have night tears. So I always am like doing things in my sleep and I speak in my sleep. I see things in my sleep and they happen in real life. >> Okay. So clairvoyant. Isn't that like

Jennytelepathy kind of or is that something? >> Uh, no. It's not all through the mind. You can get things through dreams, see things before they happen. Uh, things like that. >> And you do witchcraft?

Jenny>> Yes. Uh, have you cast any hex's? >> I've done one. >> Do you do dark magic? >> Um, I don't do anything that unbalances the scale. So, like I would never put a

Jennyspell on someone that would make them love me cuz I want them to love me for me. Um, but as far as like black magic goes, yeah, there are things in the book that are written uh that are considered black magic. Yeah. But I don't do anything where it's like I won't make

Laetitiaanyone like fall in love with me. Um, I don't do any glamour or anything. Um, >> what about like a spell that would somebody would like have an accident?

Jenny>> No, I don't do anything that uh causes a scale that would um I'm not God. I don't play God. So, uh that's not my choice to make. But if um I what I would do is called a justice spell. So, it's uh

Laetitiagiving that person whatever they deserve and what the B and what life thinks they deserve. >> Did you cast a spell on the Whatever podcast? >> No, I did not. >> Are you going to cast a spell on the Whatever podcast? >> No. You just pissed me off that one time, but we're fine. >> We're homies again.

Laetitia>> We're homies again. >> All right. You're my Caucasian. >> Oh, >> I'm mixed. >> I know. You're half my Caucasian then. >> Wait, I'm half your Caucasian. >> Yeah, cuz you're half white, so half my Caucasian.

Jenny>> Okay, I like that. >> Uh, and you're an empath. What does that mean? >> Um, so let's say she was just going through like a really

Jennyhard time in her life or someone passed away. I can pick up on that or it's um I can feel I could put myself into other people's shoes but on a different level where it's like even if I wasn't in that

Jennysituation I'm able to take myself put them in their shoes and analyze everything from within not just from my own views and standpoint but from what anyone can see.

Laetitia>> Okay, cool. Uh you said actually you know what let's just >> Oh, and I worship Hakati. >> Let's do the uh questionnaire stuff here. Uh, Lexi, women are the primary victims of war, not men. To which you

Laetitiaagree. Why is that? >> Um, because women get raped and killed. >> Uh, yeah, I'm not I mean, I'm not going to dispute that. Women definitely do uh

Laetitiaencounter that during wartime. It's definitely happened. Um, but so we're doing like a comparative analysis here between the uh collective suffering of men and the collective suffering of women. >> Yes.

Laetitia>> So, I'm not going to dispute absolutely during wartime women do get raped. Although I think they actually found in one a recent conflict in Ukraine, I think they actually found that Ukrainian

Laetitiamen were being raped at higher instances than Ukrainian women. >> Uh even putting that aside though,

Laetitiaum I guess the question is uh how many men do you kill to prevent one rape? >> Uh one.

Lexi (Chicago)>> Okay. You'd kill one man to prevent one rape. Okay. So, if more >> I mean I mean I would kill half a man then if that makes sense. So like if one

Lexi (Chicago)man dies, two women get raped. That's like pretty like equal, I guess. >> Wait, hold on.

Lexi (Chicago)>> Okay, I think I understand. >> Yeah. >> Um >> yeah. >> Uh >> cuz like that's a whole life. A whole life, >> you know, but also a whole lifetime

Laetitiaworth of trauma. That's [ __ ] up. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, >> and plus losing your husband or child or whatever that could possibly happen as well. >> You would acknowledge that while this is

Laetitiaa very uh grave uh abuse of somebody that and not in all instances, but some people can overcome their traumas.

Laetitia>> Yes. >> And heal and move on. Right. Um, in any case though,

Laetitiathe military the male military deaths in I would argue every single military conflict that there has ever been

Laetitiais much higher than the rate of women who are essay. And so your position though is women are the primary victims of war, not men. Oh,

Laetitiano. I just asked a question. I was just uh confused about that. >> No, but on the questionnaire uh the statement, "Women are the primary victims of war, not men." You agreed. And then while I was gone, I overheard Yes.

Laetitia>> as a rel You I think you'd brought up something about women are the primary victims or something. I don't remember >> exactly, but

Laetitia>> Well, >> so are okay. Are women the primary victims of war? >> Um, no. So men are the primary victims of it. >> Yes, because men actually die. >> Okay. All right. There's nothing else to discuss on that. All right.

Laetitia>> Uh 23. Uh Jennifer. >> Jennifer. >> Jennington. Jennings. >> Jennifer. >> Jennifer. >> Jennings. >> Jennings.

Lexi (Chicago)>> Jennington. >> I'm literally going to wake you up to that. >> That actually Yes. You're friends, right? Call her Jennington. No, we're um we're more than just friends. Actually, I

Lexi (Chicago)>> lovers. >> I'm outing us right now. We are besties for the resties. >> Mhm. >> Oh, thought you were going to come out as gay. >> No, but that's actually my girl for

Laetitialife. >> I mean, I my girl bestie, so >> locked in. >> Okay. Um Jennifer, >> uh you agree with the following statement. Women are just as physically strong as men. Is that cor is that

SPEAKER_13correct? >> Yeah, I believe so. I believe that we well naturally probably not. But I think you can definitely like wh women women are capable of going to the gym and

SPEAKER_13becoming stronger than they are right now. Yes. Or then like the same as men like let's say a man can lift a 200 lb weight. I believe that's physically

Laetitiapossible for a woman to do too. You you did a bicep curl motion there and you said 200 lb. Um I don't even >> Aren't there like

Laetitia>> I don't I don't even think I mean I I don't know the records on >> Sorry. I >> on single arm bicep curls,

Laetitia>> but I I don't even know if the strongest woman in the world could single arm bicep curl 200 lb. >> Yeah, that's crazy. Like I I'm not even sure.

Laetitia>> You're not. >> I think a man could like really strong men could bicep curl 200 lb. Single arm bicep curl. >> That's like I mean has it been physically? Can we search?

Laetitia>> Like bicep curl is not like I don't know if they do competitions for bicep curls, but like world record bicep >> the long bar with like weights on the end on each side.

Laetitia>> Wait, get this. Okay. The world record for a strict bicep curl back against a wall is generally recognized as 251 pounds. That's two arms. >> Oh.

Laetitia>> So, yeah. No, no women, not even men, can single arm bicep curl. Oh, wait. Hold on. >> Wait. Oh, cheat curls. Cheat curls.

LaetitiaLeavonne the [ __ ] uh uh arm wrestler did like 400 lb. And so, >> one hand, >> it's possible. Uh two hands. Two hands.

Laetitia>> Yeah. Uh but in any case, um so there are some women who can be stronger than some men. There's no dispute there. But uh

SPEAKER_13in general, on average, women are not stronger than men. >> Yeah. Like naturally, if we were both >> That wasn't the question. It didn't say

Laetitiaaveragely, did it? >> Well, no. says women are just as physically strong as men. >> Just as like as in like >> but the statement isn't the statement

Laetitiaisn't can a singular w woman be stronger than a singular man. It's women.

SPEAKER_13>> Well, my ex couldn't leg press 200 and I can't. So, >> could he beat you up though?

Laetitia>> Possibly. We never got at it to know. >> Well, I I don't know if he lifted, but there's actually some recent funny videos on this. They put like fitness women against dwarves.

Laetitia>> Oh, I seen that. >> And the dwarves outperformed the women and then they put like skinny dudes against athlete women's and the skinny

Laetitiadudes still won. So it's like um there are definitely some women who are stronger than some men, but this

Laetitiastatement would is more about like in general on average. How about this? Is the strongest man alive stronger than the strongest woman alive? >> I don't know. >> You don't know?

SPEAKER_13>> I don't know. >> Uh >> what are the >> stats on that? >> Probably not. Probably not. Okay. Um, on average, are men stronger than women

SPEAKER_13>> on average? >> Yeah. >> No. >> So, what are they weaker? Are they equal?

SPEAKER_13>> I like I think that like like let's say nobody Okay. So, if you know >> a woman and a man are put into a room, they don't go to the gym. I think a man

SPEAKER_13would be stronger than that. Woman naturally. naturally, genes, biologically, whatever. Yeah. >> Right. And who participates in

SPEAKER_13weightlifting more, men or women? >> Weightlifting more. Um, probably men, but women do it too.

Laetitia>> Yes, that's true. But if you're saying that two untrained, like a untrained woman and an untrained man, they're in the room, just the baseline, the man's

Laetitiagoing to be stronger. This this I honestly think the gap would actually start to increase even if you compare a trained woman to a trained

SPEAKER_13man. >> Well, I agree. But when I saw that sentence, I was thinking like, you know, like, oh,

SPEAKER_13like women cannot be stronger than men, which I completely disagree with. >> In general, they can't >> like in totality. Um, in general, >> they can't

Laetitialike >> uh Nathan, can you uh I ordered some stuff. Can you just go

Laetitiadown and or maybe we Yeah, hold on. I ordered pizza for peeps.

LaetitiaUh, okay. Um, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_13Oh, I was just saying that like to say that they just like, you know, you're saying generally can't like they can.

Laetitia>> No, but >> I'm I'm acknowledging that there are some women who are stronger than some men. But when I'm using women, I'm using

Laetitiaa plural plural women. I'm saying women collectively. So collectively women are weaker than men.

LaetitiaI would even argue the like an average guy

Laetitiacan probably lift more weights than Oh my god. Sorry guys. Um then uh a uh

Laetitialike not like a [ __ ] Olympic weightlifter woman, but like a athlete female. Like I think your average dude is

Laetitiaphysically stronger than the your average female athlete dude who's never stepped foot in the gym.

SPEAKER_13stronger than a woman. Most women. >> Sure. Then yeah, when you say it like that, then

Laetitia>> Yeah. Yes. >> Okay. All right. Um, can somebody take over the conversation for me, please, while I need a

Julia>> Yeah, I feel Oh, I was just going to say I feel like it's a thing cuz like um I've had a few friends that took testosterone and they got strong. >> It was crazy. What was the whole >> like females? >> Well, yeah. Like people born female and

Juliathen they took testosterone and then they started getting like super strong or like more muscle and stuff. It's like there was this one person I was talking to ages ago and they were starting to to take tea and it was like they started getting abs just like not working out or anything.

Lexi (Chicago)>> Exactly. Exactly. >> Because men by default are stronger and they they have a higher much higher endurance than women. They don't get tired as quickly as we do. If I worked

Maria (NC)eight hours and a man worked the same eight hours, he would be fine after. >> That is a thing. >> Well, it's the same reason why there's been such a big push to make sure that it's only biological females competing

Maria (NC)against each other because even a trans woman who's been taking the hormones for years is still stronger than the other professional athletes in that sport. >> Yeah. That are like

Maria (NC)>> it's just the natural testosterone that is in a man's body. Um, my husband never goes to the gym. He He is in decent shape. Like, he's fit, but he never goes to the gym. I go to the gym multiple

Maria (NC)times a week. And I think if he went, he could easily outdo my leg press, which is my my highest thing. Like, I don't think it would be hard for him. >> Yeah. >> And so, and I and then I would be really

Maria (NC)annoyed because I've been working up for this like for a year and a half. But, um, I feel like you're so annoying, but there it goes with the testosterone. like we just can't. Yeah, it I think that's a huge factor when we don't have

Jennyit. >> I think it shows with like just trans people in general when it comes to a male transitioning to a woman and a woman transitioning to a male. Once that woman starts taking that testosterone, they transition so much quicker.

Jenny>> That's a thing. >> Yeah. Because it takes so much for a trans a woman that's transitioning into a woman to look feminine if they don't already have the features because it's so hard for like their body to like cut

Juliait out and realize you're switching >> cuz testosterone is just like so strong. It's like once somebody once somebody has gone through like male puberty like you need straight up like facial feminization surgery and even then like

Jennysome people just like are have two masculine features. Uh yeah, I know some girls in the trans community who go like through a black market route uh to get higher estrogen because um it's just not high enough and it's not doing anything.

JennySo they go on the black market because that's where they can get where it's faster for them to look like a female and to get those um feminine futures. Yeah, I feel like there's definitely like strong women though, don't get me

Juliawrong. But I think it definitely takes like a lot more training or like how you were saying with my ex-husband cuz he would like you know how men go through like periods of like wanting to get back in shape and then it's like the second he starts working out again, he's like

Maria (NC)back to his old shape. He literally like just like crash dieted for two weeks and he's doing a pull-up and I'm like over here like I hope I can lift. >> I Yeah, my there's a pull-up bar in our basement and I was like so how many can you do? My husband's like, "I haven't

Maria (NC)been working on them, so I can do like five." And I was like, "I hate you." Because I've been trying to use the machine at the gym to get myself to a normal pull-up and I'm still not there. Like, >> yeah. >> And he just like every once in a while

Maria (NC)he tries some pull-ups and he can do them. And I'm like, >> not fair. Not fair. >> Even my son is strong. Is your son How old is your son? >> He's three. >> Yeah. Is he like strong? Like I'm like,

Veronica"Oh my gosh." Mhm. >> Oh man. He's so proud to carry in like my big thing of protein shakes from the van. >> That's how my son is, too. He's nine and he's so eager. Like he won't let me carry in the water or anything. He's

Veronicalike, "I got it, mom." Like, "I'm good." I'm like, "Oh, bub." He's like, he's really solid, >> too, and strong. He's a strong boy. >> I know. My son is like 3' 6.

Julia>> He's really tall. It's crazy. Yeah. I definitely feel like um Yeah, men are just naturally stronger. Also too then like I think the debating is so interesting because then it's like if

Juliayou say that like men aren't naturally stronger than women then in some ways I feel like that kind of hurts the argument of like men can be dangerous. You know what I mean? >> Mhm. >> That's like it's like from a debating

Brooklynperspective. Mhm. What do you guys think? What do you think, girl? >> What was the question? Sorry. >> Do you think men are naturally stronger than women? >> Yeah, absolutely. I think biologically

Maria (NC)men have more muscle mass than women. So that would naturally lead to them being stronger. >> Well, yeah. And actually, yeah, you that's a really good point because

Maria (NC)women's bodies have naturally have to carry more fat because we're supposed to have babies and so we need fat to protect those

Laetitiaorgans. >> One, two, three, four, five, six.

Julia>> Yeah. Like with the runway models or like >> does anybody not

JuliaWomen definitely need like more fat on their bodies or like how like um like if you have multiple kids sometimes your body just won't let you like lose weight

Juliabecause your body is like oh you need to be able to have like the next baby.

JennyMy tailbone is starting to give out. I broke I like severely injured it when I learned how to snowboard. So like it taps out like after 3 hours it starts to like severely hurt

Jenny>> cuz you're working your >> I mean I have really bad posture so I'm like trying to sit up nice but even if like I rest like it it it's just a tailbone. >> It hurts when you're trying to sit up straight.

Jenny>> Uh I do have a question for you. Um, so with me being I'm 23 and I hear a lot like just with women that are my age, uh, that they're like, "Oh, you need to

Jennylive your 20s and then have a baby later on in your later 30s where I want to have a kid in the next like 2 3 years when I do it sooner rather than later." I didn't have my first kid till I was

Maria (NC)20. I think I just turned 29 when she was born. >> And then >> and then I was 31 then with my second. and they were 20 months apart. Um, and

Maria (NC)like it was just hard recovering. Now, I had to have C-section, so that also complicates things, but >> you just you see like women who are younger who start in their early 20s

Maria (NC)having kids and they like they lose the the baby fat so much faster. Their skin like >> goes back in so much quicker. Um, plus you have the energy. >> Yeah, the energy to work out is the

Jennybiggest thing. >> Everyone's just like live like live your life. I'm like, "Girl, I partied when I was 21. Like, I'm 23 now. Like, I'm over it. Like, yes, I want to have a kid next year." >> Have like if if you've got that partner that you're in it to win it, like have

Maria (NC)kids because >> um like I like going to the gym, but I have to get up at 4:30 in the morning to get it done before my kids start waking up. >> [ __ ] Why did you give it to me? Why are you going to give me a pizza to pass it?

Julia>> Oh. >> Yeah. I feel like cuz it's, you know, Nara Smith, >> she got back so fast. She had her first kid when she's 20 and she has like I think five kids now >> and she's like she's so tiny. She's

Jennytinier than like >> But also too that has to do with like she's diagnosed with really bad severe eczema. That's the whole reason she started her channel with making the food from scratch. >> Oh, really?

Veronica>> Yeah. She has severe eczema. So, um it that was like where the whole like Noith >> the really pretty wife. >> Something else too. She has like lupus or something.

Jenny>> Yeah. So, she's like a little >> Yeah. So she loses her hair inflammation real bad in her face. >> And so that's the whole reason why she started doing the from scratch series. It wasn't just a oh I make this because I have the time and I'm a tad wife. It's I need to for me and my kids cuz I have

Juliaa condition. >> Um so I Yeah, I think that also has to do with it too. >> Yeah. I feel like as long as you know you have a partner that's going to like you want you feel comfortable having a kid with them and that like you feel like you're ready to have a kid that you

Jennyshould have it whenever you >> Yeah. It's just every time like I say that around people that are my age like you're crazy. Like what are you saying? And I'm like why would I want to have a kid later on in life and then not be able to live what my 40s and 50s while they're in college. >> Yeah.

Maria (NC)>> Like >> there's life to live afterwards. I mean so like Rachel Wilson talks about how like her um her youngest is in high school. So like she's written, you know, she wrote a book a couple years ago. She

Maria (NC)is doing all the stuff she wanted to now. She had her first kid at 20. So, she's had five kids. Um, and now she's in her late 40s and like she's done having kids. Her kids are mostly grown. Like, I can imagine my, you know, I've

Veronicagot 15 more years of >> Yeah, I was 19 when I had my oldest and like, yeah, I've struggled. Yes, I've had to work my ass off, but I I honestly I I would I wouldn't have it any other

Jennyway cuz when I'm 40, my kids are going to be like grown. >> Yeah. I feel like girls that are like, "Oh, I regret having kids." It's because they didn't they didn't they didn't ever want kids in the first place. Where it's

Maria (NC)like every time, like my sister, she had kids um a little bit earlier, like in her later 20s, and she doesn't regret a damn thing. >> I think and I don't think that that is the case very often. I don't think there's that many women out there going,

Lexi (Chicago)"I wish I never had my kids." >> A lot of a lot of >> No, there's a lot. Or like, oh, I wish I had them later like, don't have kids, don't have kids. So many women are against like having kids or even like I

JennyI wish I would have just lived my life instead of like I wish I lived my 20s like you you should start having kids when you're like 28 29. I'm like no I want my third kid by the stable make sure that I want to have kids with this person like this guy's going to like

Juliatake care of me. >> Yeah. I think you need to make sure that the person that you're having kids with is like >> a like safe enough person to do that cuz it's like I feel like I have a lot of child care help so it's like take my advice with a grain of salt but like I

Jennylike being a young mom. >> I think I'll be 44 when my son is 18. >> Yeah. Like my dad gives me a cross eye when I tell him I want kids in 2 years. Like I mean he's my dad obviously but he's like

Veronica>> you said I'm sorry when you said that u how tired you are and stuff. Honestly, I couldn't imagine having to change diapers right now. >> I know. I'm like at the end of potty training, but even

Veronica>> I'm all done with that. My kids are 14, 10, and nine. So, I'm like I'm all done with the >> diapers and potty training and all of that stuff. So,

Julia>> thank you for the food. I feel like I feel like if I had to do all that now, I would be exhausted. >> I know. I can't even imagine doing that like at 35. Like all I really want for my future is to find like a person who can play a good like support role to my

Juliakid as they get older. But like diapers, no >> just take >> maybe like miss it. >> Yeah. >> You want more kids?

Maria (NC)>> No, we're done. No, my husband because he's 14 years older, you know, he when we started dating and started talking about kids, his son was about to graduate high school

Maria (NC)>> and he said domino >> that like we didn't get married. We got married like the month after his son graduated cuz he wasn't going to do that >> and then he was like I want to be

Maria (NC)>> face straight stop. >> I want to be done by the time I am 46 or something. So it was like time pizza. >> No, >> no, I was just waiting. Oh, okay. >> Thank you for the food, by the way. >> Thank you.

Laetitia>> What? So, if I eat, it's not going to like make wet noises in the >> I mean, where did you >> If you're if you're chewing, be a little further back, I guess. But, um, yeah. >> Okay.

Laetitia>> All right. Let's see where we were. Oh, let me hide that. Don't need that. Uh, all right. Back to the notes then.

JennyUh, Kaylee, you wanted to talk about dating toxic bums who made false promises. What? False promises? >> Um, so I was in a relationship where um

Jennyhe told me right off the bat he had really bad social anxiety. Um, so I knew like going into it what he had. Um, but as we started dating and we started getting into serious conversations like, "Hey, I'm moving to Chicago. Do you want

Jennyto come with me?" um and our actual plans for the future. He started developing this thing where he was like, "I'm going to get a job eventually." So, I started helping him get apply for jobs. Um I basically did the whole thing

Jennyfor him. I ended up getting him a job. Uh he ended up moving to Chicago with me. And he would just have an excuse every single time about why he couldn't go to work. Oh, well, I have social anxiety. Oh, well, I want a job where I don't have to start. I should just be

Jennymaking money right away. Like, I don't want to be working for somebody else. I want to work for myself. like I could do crypto. And it was just always these false promises of, oh well, I'm going to do this. No, I my social anxiety will get better. I will get a better job.

JennyLike I I know I can do this. I can make money. It's just right now I don't want to. Um so I ended up having to leave him and kick him out of my house because he just kept promising false promises and I had to kick him out cuz

Jenny>> Do you think it was just excuses? Like >> he didn't he was fine talking to people at parties and stuff. So what do you mean you have social anxiety? like a year and then like the whole thing with like he also was one of those people

Jennythat would um go on those like betting sites and like put in $500 but then lose$500 and then he would continuously do that and be like well I broke even yeah on that day. >> So it was just always just like false

Jennylike oh I'm going to do this I will get this and it's like at the end of the day I like I'm I don't mind making a sacrifice where you don't have a job right now I'll put in some money but that needs to come to a stopping point at some point. You wrote that yes,

Jennydating in the rave industry and how toxic it is. How so? >> Um, so in the Chicago rave scene, um, >> got like a sneak peek of >> Why you asked for pizza? You take one.

JennyOh my god. >> I could have had that [ __ ] slice. >> So, um, just being like, I mean, I guess it goes in any industry, whether it's the rapping industry, rave, EDM, whatever. When you get into that scene,

Jennythere's going to be those opportunities where you get to meet those people that can give you something and they're going to expect something in return. And I met

Jennythe wrong people and I met some really shady people that promised some like they were just in the industry. So, they're like, "I can get you this. I can put you here. I can help you get here."

JennyUm, and then at the end of the day, they wanted sex or money or something in return. And I just wasn't for it. and it got into the point where they would do anything to get that whether it was

Jennydrugging you, whether it was taking advantage of you, anything. Um, so in the in that scene, it's just it's different from the underground is different from actual clubs and venues because you don't you're booking that v

Jennyyou're booking that venue and you know the people that are there. When you're in the underground, you're setting up this random um abandoned place for people to come and party. Well, there's no real security there. There's no real ID checking. It's just a very toxic

Laetitiathing and you can get very wrapped up in it very quickly. >> Uh, okay. You're done with your pizza. Pass the plate down that way. I'll have Nathan collect your finished plates. Those of you who are done.

Jenny>> So, if you get offered to go to a rave, >> bro. [ __ ] >> Do you want to eat it? >> Damn, bro. Why people asking for you? I mean, it's Domino's. Some people have >> Yep. Just

Jenny>> you get asked to go to a rave. >> Damn, bro. Why people be asking for pizza and then they don't like it? >> I didn't like it. >> What if it wasn't good? Domino's. >> Are you It tastes >> Domino's sauce is weird. >> You're from Michigan, right?

JennyOh, so like you you're Yeah, I understand. You guys have different pizza out there. It's different cuz I'm from Indiana, so I get it. >> Our pizza has way more cheese. >> Yes, I understand what you're saying. Yeah, for me.

Laetitia>> E, too much cheese is [ __ ] gross. >> No, it's the sauce. It's the sauce. >> The sauce is fine. No, Indiana sauce is just like in Ohio is >> All right, you're done. Pass yours down, please. Here, pass those down. >> Uh,

Jennyhere. We should have Tiffany do it. Nathan, you take you take the you take the the helm. >> This has water in it. >> If you get invited to a rave, go. But if you get invited back to green room, do

Laetitianot go. >> Are you nibbling? Yeah. >> Okay. >> Is that okay? >> Yeah, that's fine. All right. Uh, Mick, you always lose interest in the good

Laetitiaones and you tend to pick not great people. You don't think you Wait, you don't think you should be allowed anymore? >> Mhm. >> Okay, why don't you elaborate? Hold on.

LaetitiaLet's do some seat adjustments. You guys have scooted. I need you to scoot, scoot, scoot into frame. Okay, go ahead. >> So, like I'll have an opportunity to be

Brooklynwith like a green flag of a man. like really great people, but I just like lose interest in them and then I choose the men with the red flags and I I

Brooklyncontinually make those decisions. So, I said I shouldn't be allowed anymore. I shouldn't be allowed to pick >> cuz you're going to pick the wrong >> because I keep picking the wrong ones. >> Same girl.

Laetitia>> Yeah. I'm trying to see. Yeah. You wrote in your notes, you don't know why, but you're attracted to the red flags. Mhm. >> Uh, you can't help yourself. There are amazing men out there and you still fall for the ones that treat you like [ __ ] >> Yes.

Brooklyn>> You haven't figured out why. >> Yeah. I don't know why I pick them, but that's just a pattern I have noticed. >> You think you could fix them? >> It's not that I want to fix them. It's

Brooklynjust I get bored with the green flag. >> So, you just like you just like choose men that make you feel good. >> Yeah. I'm like maybe the >> make her feel bad. >> No. I like make her feel good in the moment, but it's not actually doing

Lexi (Chicago)good. >> Like earning their love feels good. >> Yeah. >> Like it feels fun. It feels like exhilarating. Like, you know, it's kind of wrong, but like they're treating you so well >> that like you just feel kind of special. >> Yeah. Like they're mean to everybody else.

Brooklyn>> Yeah. They treat everybody else like [ __ ] So I'm like maybe if I can get them to treat me everybody else, >> maybe. But >> yeah, that's completely dysfunctional.

JennyYou should see a [ __ ] therapist. >> I was like that. >> I had the same issue, but it was more or less me thinking that I could fix them and being like I could fix the hurt in them. >> So, and then I realized once like you

Laetitiacan't fix everyone >> as they are. >> What what I don't understand this thing with women, this appeal, this uh affinity for toxic jerk, [ __ ]

Laetitiaabusive men. I I do not understand that at whatsoever. I mean, I haven't dated anyone abusive, but as far as just like being

Laetitia>> I'm talking about her the do you know do you know whatism? Soypism is when you this idea that general stop let me finish when people think that they're

Laetitia>> they used to think well why this this would be helioentrism heliocentric when the sun was the center of the universe uh but solopypsism is when you think you're the center of the universe.

LaetitiaSo when I'm saying something like I I'm not saying all women. I'm I'm using speaking in generalities here. >> I know I was speaking like

Jenny>> about you. >> Well, you were asking so I was just saying >> Oh my god, bro. I'm so [ __ ] >> I was putting in my input. >> But it was her turn to talk. She's barely

Laetitiasaid anything tonight. It was clearly her conversational thread. >> Shut up. But it's like women do this thing where it's like whi Okay, women

Laetitiaare attracted to tall men. Well, I like short guys. It's like, oh my god, yes, some women like short men. Most women like tall men.

LaetitiaLike, oh my god. Like I'm trying to have an engagement

Laetitiaright here for a little bit. All right. Um Okay. So, why are you all [ __ ] up?

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