Armpit Hair Feminist HEATED DEBATE?! 100+ Body Count?! MASSIVE COPE?! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk #168

Date: 2024-06-10

Duration: 7h 24m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBobby Lavender >

AAlyssa (DT168)>

JJuliet (DT168)>

KKaren (DT168)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Tavia(guest)

SPEAKER_04Alyssa(guest)

SPEAKER_05Bobby Lavender(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Karen(guest)

SPEAKER_13Sky(guest)

SPEAKER_14Juliet(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBobby Lavender introduces herself: 30yo, Louisiana, OnlyFans since pandemic, also cams on MyFreeCams

“hello my name is Bobby lavender I'm 30 years old just turned 30 I live in Louisiana I am on only fans for like four years now basically since the pandemic”

QuoteAlyssa discloses she is legally separated from NPD husband; two kids ages 1 and 2; filed for divorce February

“I officially filed in February I wanted out of my marriage the last several years Texas will not finalize divorces when you're pregnant and I was pregnant for 2 years in a row”

QuoteKaren reveals she married her husband who was intended as a one-night stand in Skagway Alaska; he was a friend of her then-hookup

“I married a one night stand he was supposed to be a one night stand and it turned into a 10-year relationship”

ControversyMan vs bear debate begins: Brian presents the viral TikTok question to the panel; Bobby chooses the bear

“going around the table would you rather come across a random man or a bear in the woods”

QuoteSky argues men would commit SA if there were no consequences, saying it is a 'natural inclination for men to want to dominate women'

“I feel like it's a natural inclination for men to want to dominate women and be aggressive”

QuoteKaren reveals triple-digit body count: 'my husband knocked the hoe out of me'

“that's all I'm going to give you it's a high three digit but it's up there I'm a recovered sex addict so I'll just put that out there my husband knocked the hoe out of me that's how I put it”

QuoteBrian cites first fatal California black bear attack on a 71-year-old woman after panel chose bear over man; 'y'all will go to a bar filled with random men and hook up with random men'

“rest in peace a woman first fatal bear attack in California so this is local to us here in California y'all will go to a bar filled with random men y'all will go home and hook up with random men that's what's crazy to me”

QuoteAlyssa reveals the man she dated after separating from husband is now in a relationship with a trans woman who has a penis; debates whether that makes him gay/bisexual

“someone that I was with is now dating a trans woman who has a penis so is that gay do you think that's bisexual”

QuoteTavia objects to the recurring 'would a man date a sex worker' discussion framing; shares two men have already proposed to her despite her OnlyFans work

“I had two people proposed to me already and I've said no and I do sex work and they didn't see me any differently based on that”

QuoteBrian explains his objection to OnlyFans GFE: creators 'become very well practiced in deception and manipulation' by running chatters while advertising personal connection

“you commit fraud by saying I'm talking to you you become very well versed in fraud and lying”

QuoteAndrew Wilson joins show as call-in guest; introduces himself as political analyst and Blood Sport debater from The Crucible channel

“political analyst and I'm a Blood Sport debater I appreciate Brian having me on I was scheduled for tonight I'm here a little bit late”

QuoteJuliet concedes men have the burden in first date dynamics: the man has to convince her to sleep with him; she just has to exist and be polite

“definitely it's more on the man I would say because the women I feel at least in my experience I don't really have to do anything besides just kind of existing and show up and being basically polite and friendly and the guy just he's the one who has to kind of convince me to sleep with him”

QuoteBobby admits white people being bullied/called racial slurs at her predominantly minority school; Sky argues this does not count as racism (prejudice + power framework)

“I was a white girl and I went to a school where white people were the minority and I experienced racism”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions (name/age/location/occupation)

Brian intro; each guest introduces themselves in order: Bobby Lavender (30, Louisiana, OnlyFans), Tavia (22, PA, model/OnlyFans), Alyssa (27, Austin TX, realtor), Sky (24, San Diego, environmental health specialist), Juliet (38, Denver CO, marketing), Karen (45, West Hollywood, writer/comedian), Madison (19, SBCC, Whatever staff).

Relationship status round

Each guest shares current relationship status, how long single, and longest relationship. Bobby: 3-year monogamish relationship. Tavia: 3-month talking stage, previously single since November. Alyssa: legally separated, getting divorced (NPD husband, 2 kids). Sky: always been single, only e-relationship (3 days). Juliet: single/celibate 4 years since 7-year relationship. Karen: married 10 years (husband was meant to be one-night stand in Alaska). Discussion of monogamish dynamics and open relationships.

Alyssa's divorce / NPD husband

Alyssa discloses legally separated, filing for divorce. Husband suspected NPD per therapist. Two kids ages 1 and 2. Filed for divorce during first pregnancy; unexpectedly pregnant again 3 months later. Husband abandoned family; filed missing person report during newborn period. Husband dodging divorce service; now dating someone new. Discussion of TX child support maximums (~$2300/month for 2 kids).

Bisexual men / would you date a bisexual man

Brian asks panel if they would date a bisexual man. Tavia: yes (is bisexual). Bobby: no (hygiene concern). Alyssa: no (wants masculine man). Sky: no. Karen: no (has been with some unknowingly, didn't bother her then). Debate about whether pegging makes a man bisexual. Alyssa says she would peg a man but not date a bisexual man.

Sky's celibacy / waiting until marriage

Sky (24) has never been in a real relationship; now practicing celibacy and considering waiting until marriage. Discussion of whether switching to celibacy after sexual history is valid or a 'raw deal' for men. Panel discusses compatibility issues when one partner becomes religious mid-relationship.

Self-ratings (looks, face and body 1-10)

Brian asks each guest to rate face and body separately on 1-10 scale (no 7s allowed). Bobby: natural 10 face, body 6. Tavia: face 9, body 10 (hates her nose). Alyssa: face 5-6, body 8-9. Sky: face 5-6, body 9. Juliet: face 8, body 8. Karen: face 8, body 8. Madison: face 6.9, body 8. Brian: face 5, body 4.5 (admits needing to lose weight). Armpit hair debate: Bobby reveals she does not shave armpits. Chat reaction discussed.

Armpit hair debate / Bobby's grooming choices

Brian asks chat and panel if Bobby's unshaved armpit hair is a dealbreaker. Discussion of leg hair (Bobby does not shave legs either, fine blonde hair). Bobby shares stripper clients who were attracted to her armpit scent. Panel discusses pheromone attraction.

Man vs bear viral debate

Panel discusses the viral 'would you rather meet a random man or a bear in the woods' question. Bobby, Sky, and others discuss choosing the bear based on predictability. Brian challenges logic with zoo/bathroom hypotheticals. Discussion of SA statistics, what percentage of men would victimize given no consequences. Reference to woman killed by bear in California (first fatal Black bear attack). Discussion of transgender bathroom safety.

Body count round

Maddie (co-host) asks body count question. Karen: triple digits (recovering sex addict). Bobby: 50-100 (~80% male, 20% female). Tavia: over 40, under 60. Alyssa: ~6 (mostly long-term relationships). Sky: low count. Discussion of bisexuality, men who have had same-sex experiences, and what constitutes gay behavior. Debate about past guy going down on other men and Alyssa's dating a man now with a trans woman (penis).

Pre-show notes: modern feminism harms relationships (Juliet)

Brian reads Juliet's pre-show note: modern feminism harms men and women, keeps both from what they seek in long-term partnership. Juliet expands: second-wave feminism contributed to hookup culture; sex means different things to men vs women biologically (dopamine/vasopressin vs oxytocin). Discussion of who identifies as feminist; Brian's definition of feminism as women's advocacy not equality movement. Jordan Peterson quote on equal opportunity vs guaranteed outcome.

Sex work / dating a sex worker

Tavia's pre-show note: objects to framing 'would a man date a sex worker' as unusual question. Brian explains why dating sex workers is suboptimal (practised deception/manipulation via GFE fraud, lying about chatters). Panel discusses whether OnlyFans is easy or hard work. Body count and sex worker identity discussion.

Abortion / reproductive rights

Discussion of Texas abortion restrictions and women's medical care access. Brian argues abortion banning is not evidence of gender inequality since men have no reproductive rights. Panel debates equality framing of reproductive rights.

Andrew Wilson calls in (political analyst / debater)

Andrew Wilson (The Crucible host) joins as call-in guest. Introduces himself as political analyst and Blood Sport debater. Debates various topics with panel including feminism, male leadership, traditional roles.

Dating dynamics: male burden / who has harder time dating

Sky disagrees with framing that men have a burden in dating. Extended debate: Brian lists all male obligations in dating (approach, lead conversation, ask for number, plan date, pay, close). Panel acknowledges men are rejected far more than women. Andrew Wilson explains 'burden' means social obligation not that it is burdensome. Sky made Tinder at 17 to gain experience after getting no male attention in high school.

Age gap relationships

Sky objects to age-gap relationships on value-diminishment grounds. Karen is 9 years older than her husband (35-36 vs 45). Juliet has dated men 7+ years older. Brian notes younger women complain young men avoid commitment. Andrew Wilson weighs in on age gap dynamics.

Can you be racist toward white people / racism debate

Bobby shares experience being bullied/called racial slurs as a white minority at her school. Sky argues whites cannot experience racism (prejudice + power definition). Andrew challenges Sky's framework using logical consistency. Bobby ultimately concedes that whites experiencing racism does not have systemic effect. Karen notes she has seen racism directed at her white husband. Andrew points out Bobby's earlier framing justified racist behavior.

Roast segment and wrap-up

Short TTS roast segment at $25 trigger. Various viewer roasts read aloud. Chat donates, panel reacts. Brian closes show with thank-yous.

Transcript

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Brian Atlashave Andrew Wilson join the call join the stream here we got a lot of notes to get through CHR Vibes I think the AG Gap notes were mine cuz I I have a huge a

Alyssacouple people mentioned agap stuff I think so is yours younger or older older I just tried to date a 26-year-old I'm 27 absolutely the [ __ ] not never again Jesus it felt like having three kids I

Alyssalove him to death as a friend like is this the guy that you no again that was all when I was like 19 so I'm a Christian now I want a monogamous like serious committed

Madisonrelationship I don't do random hook s or any kind of crazy can you read this single/ divorced mom I feel not hopeful at times but find a man who leads in

Madisoncares if they don't lead they aren't men of is degenerative do any of you o models have children I bet you don't no and I love being a

Alyssadegenerate I been a degenerate okay let me in regards to that um I used to have an issue like letting men lead but I think if a man can lead properly and

Alyssathink about you with his decisions and lead with Integrity like biblical men should then I'm absolutely willing to let a man lead yeah you're going to you're going to let him I don't do only fans how how

Andrew Wilsonnice of you to let him lead it is nice yeah it's very Choice Andrew would you like to introduce yourself to everyone yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's the fastest growing debate Channel my

Andrew Wilsonknowledge anywhere on the internet political sauris um political analyst and I'm a Blood Sport debater um I often come on whatever podcast to talk to various people often times challenging

Andrew Wilsonworldviews so I appreciate uh Brian having me on I was scheduled for tonight I'm here a little bit late because I had some family business to attend to welcome leading women and such what's

Madisonup Andrew up yep but yeah I think like the big misconception with like people or women hating on other women for being

MadisonHousewives it's like they think that because you're a housewife that you can't do anything and that you're stuck and that you can't leave the house and that they belittle you so much and I

Alyssafeel like I'm doing the most important work by creating the Next Generation and and I wanted to be a teacher for the same reason like you're helping mold the minds of the Next Generation and you

Skyreally can't do anything more powerful than that yeah I agree you could by not having them I mean hard disagree that's like Idiocracy have you ever seen that movie

SkyYes okay hard disagree all the smart people stop having children and all the dumb people have more and more children I mean that's that's literally the United States of America for the past 50 years I mean that is true statistically

Alyssathe higher educated are having children later in life or less so at all but um I'm pretty educated I consider myself a major nerd I named my kid Sean after Carl Sean who's a physicist and I spent

Alyssaa lot of my free time literally just reading things about psychology and statistics and philosophy and when they roast my dating profile later you'll see that you know that intellect is the most

Alyssaimportant thing to me so yeah I mean I and I think it's my duty to have more children and you don't think we're overpopulated you don't think the world's overpopulated sure I do and

Alyssathere's a debate on that like you know like Elon mus thinks why bring more children into the world and then all the children that aren't being taken care of right now what about all those there's a lot of people who are choosing not to have children anymore to the point that

Brian Atlasit makes Economist worried so more population means more money we need to Nick can you pull up the view count really quick guys if you're

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Brian Atlasthe prime kiwi Dutchman thank you for the prime Jake Swan thank you for the prime Subs appreciate it guys biscuits of Rage thank you for the prime dude good name man thank you thank you guys appreciate apprciate it thank you boys

Brian Atlasthank you you can hide that Nick all right drop a like guys uh Andrew introduced himself yes all right my Caucasian welcome Andrew welcome welcome

Brian Atlasso we're just getting through some of the pre-show notes for some of the guests we have uh let's see still here on Alyssa you said that you

Brian Atlasdisagree on the only fan stuff but we already talked about the only fan stuff so but you you said most men don't care about only fans and it doesn't hinder a woman from finding a partner hearing some of the arguments I made did you do

Alyssayou have a change of opinion or I mean I still have the same opinion just because like I said earlier like we're all literally the combination of billions of dependent variables that are based on

Alyssaour own unique nature and nurture we can't like broadly say anything but I agree with a lot of the things that you said so if I say if I can admit and this is actually my my belief that there is

Brian Atlassome degree of cope when it comes to oh these only fans women they're just going to be forever alone they're going to be lonely they're going to have cats they're never going to find a man if I can admit that that's [ __ ] are you

Brian Atlasable to admit that the by virtue of woman having an only fans or being a sex worker that she's going to close the door on a lot of men sure yeah absolutely a lot of men are not going to be okay with it and I would even say

Alyssalike and then again I'm a Libertarian so I don't give a [ __ ] what other adults do as long as it doesn't harm anyone but I wouldn't want to be with a man who was supportive of it who was you wouldn't want to be a man who's supportive of only fans yeah okay well we already had

Alyssathe conversation so we won't linger too long on the o You're a Libertarian I am if I was going to categorize it yes like I have views from both sides but for the most like for myself I probably

Alyssahave more like based views but I just feel like other people should as long as it doesn't hurt anybody do what the [ __ ] you want so you're a harm reductionist

Andrew Wilsonlibertarian yes okay gotcha so I I mean I do have to ask then um I'm going to try to frame this correctly for the to but if a brother were to have carnal

Alyssarelations with their sister what would your objection be to that as a Libertarian I feel like it is a harm because when it comes to reproductive issues they can't reproduce let's

Alyssasay I mean it's against the law I think they should that's not so what so are we are we having a philosophical thing philosophically I don't give a [ __ ] that have anything to do with me but within

Alyssathe parameters of our current society and law then obviously they shouldn't do that and I don't [ __ ] condone it but I mean whatever why not why not condone it if there's no harm I'm going [ __ ] my brother I'm not going to [ __ ] my brother

Alyssayou know yeah yeah I get it but I'm saying for but you're a harm reductionist right yeah so if there's no actual harm to reduce you can't really say anything about it how can how how can you apply that broadly though because you can't say that every brother

Alyssaand sister broadly right now because people get arrested for doing it because is considered immoral right but you said in the instance that they can't reproduce so I can't you can't like broadly apply a standard because most of

Andrew Wilsonthem would be able to reproduce well you can what if they were same sex I mean I I don't give a [ __ ] if a sister wants right you don't care right so your harm reduction is that you just

Andrew Wilsondon't care about things like like incest you don't care about probably things like uh necrophilia you probably don't care about any of those things because there's no Pro har you could absolutely say that Necro I causes harm oh yeah

Andrew Wilsontell me how it causes harm to the family members of the body what if they have no family members or will their body to do it it causes harm the body can't consent

Skyto it so it's a no you can consent to it before you die it causes harm because of the potential exposure you write wa wait wait wait wait if you write up a will and you say I don't care

Alyssaif somebody sleeps with my corse corpse then like whatever whatever then you don't care right I don't care yeah that's why libertarianism is stupid leads to all sorts of immoral whatever say for the most it's hard to like really quantify my political views but

Alyssafor the most part I'm in favor of the government being less involved in whatever extent is possible obviously it needs to be involved for certain things but like I don't give a [ __ ] if gay people want yeah you don't care yeah you don't care you don't care I know you

Andrew Wilsondon't care about incest you don't care about necrophilia you don't care about anything your harm reductionist values are as immoral and degenerate as you can possibly imagine that's why we're not a Libertarian Nation we're not a

SkyLibertarian Nation all lead to [Music] degeneracy can you can you argue though that U necrofilia is harmful because

TTS/DonationsStacy for Senate donated $200 in Nevada abortion has been legally protected up until 24 months Jesus Christ can we admit that at least by 24 weeks you've had enough time to decide

Karento have an abortion or not what say you ladies yes absolutely thank you Stacy appreciate it what say you ladies I think it's crazy to do it that late

Madison24th 24 months he's 2 years 24 weeks he said 24 weeks well it says 24 months so literally says M can you read this it said weeken noways refuse to accept

Madisonresponsibility for their actions my wife let me and our two toddlers so that she can quote unquote have fun modern Fe feminism has ruined the best attributes of a good woman I agree uh newly single dad thank you for the chat man sorry to

Brian Atlashear about the breakup of your uh family there um fortunate uh she just uh she wanted to have fun wanted to have fun perfect

Brian Atlasjustification and pretext for breaking up a marriage with two toddlers just a wonderful reason uh sorry to hear that man though um and uh going back to your

Brian Atlasnotes here so you also disagree on you don't think fat women are inherently less valuable because

Alyssaeveryone's got a type and some people's type is fat [ __ ] 100% so my cousin will only date fat girls he that's his type it's what he likes he's he has curved beautiful skinny women so like

Brian Atlasyou know it could be your standard and it would be my standard you think it's most men's standard sure but there's definitely a good portion of them that well yeah there's enough out there I

Brian Atlassuppose if you have a big enough population but uh you you're saying when it comes to this Val value conversation uh so I don't think we're talking about like their value as a

Brian Atlashuman being we're talking about their value in the dating and sexual Marketplace is that is that what you're talking about there are some guys that place value on that that is what they are sexually attracted to specifically

Brian Atlasbut so if we're talking about less valuable more valuable let's say there's a greater proportion of men who value women who are fit sure or who are thin and while there are some men who will

Brian Atlasvalue an obese woman that tends to be less than men who value thin fit women so couldn't you just make the argument then

Alyssathat they are less valuable in the dating Marketplace I guess if we're doing statistics yes like well but then it should be clarified in that way like to most men they're going to be less

Andrew Wilsonvaluable but I you know there's always going to be I don't think anybody ever really makes the argument that no man I understand AR you a lass's fair uh

Andrew Wilsonlibertarian that that would be your assessment are you a lass Fair libertarian give me a specific example and what do you believe in the economic

Andrew Wilsonmodel of laws saare economics so like anarcho capitalism something like this no well what sort of uh economic model do you ascribe to I support capitalism okay so capitalism so just

Alyssatake basic capitalism supply and demand right yes do you think that there's more men or less men de demanding fat women I mean like we would have to take a poll but my assumption is that there would be less women into it obviously okay so I'm

Andrew Wilsonjust saying we can't we can't make Broad St if there's less demand for something in inside of your economic theory then it's less valuable right yeah in in that okay so then they're less valuable glad

Alyssawe got that cleared up I mean fair when you but that's not how it was like laid out when I was listening to some of them it seemed like a fat woman is not valuable but if you can say she's less valuable in the

Brian Atlasdating Market yeah I think that's fair well that's I mean if we're having a conversation about dating that is the context and I me and Andrew tend

Brian Atlasto We tend to make sort of these disclaimers when we're talking about value we're not talking about your value as a human being as a person but we're we are typically specific specifically

Brian Atlastalking about in the dating Marketplace yeah but even within that still going to be some guys but that's the only point that I was making I don't think we disagree there Andrew I'm sure you'd agree that we don't disagree that there will be men who find obese women

Andrew Wilsonattractive yeah right we're just talking about basic supply and demand so just like any Marketplace the dating Marketplace would be a marketplace right just there no different than an Electronics Marketplace a tobacco

Andrew WilsonMarketplace whatever it is the higher the demand for something right usually it's more valuable because more people demand it so this would be the same thing when you're talking about types of

Alyssawomen this type of thing you would agree to that right yeah yeah okay okay well nothing I'm not ruling list I'm not ruled by cognitive dissonance I'm okay with like my view changing so if you can offer me

Alyssasomething that deepens my perspective I'm absolutely like I'm not like no I'm just going to argue this for the sake of it do you object to Value calls and value judgments when it comes to

Brian Atlasdating what do you mean like in regard well uh I mean do you object to a guy who would not want to date a woman who's overweight for example no I think you

Brian Atlascan have whatever standard you want and I actually agree with the standard about like men or women your friend's [ __ ] dying in the bathroom not what I'm kidding she's like dying never mind go

Alyssaknow I think it's like one thing that I see argued on here a lot is that they like you guys will say it's fair for a guy not to want a woman that has a high body count and I haven't really seen any good argument against

Alyssathat and I actually agree help you with that I agree that it's fine to not want to be with someone who has a high body count for multiple reasons wait but wait let's go back to supply and demand let's

Andrew Wilsongo back to supply and demand do you think that men would prefer just on average to have a woman with a low body count or a high body count I don't think

Andrew Wilsonthat men care as much as it's let's say for a second that we took you and made a perfect clone of you like let's say I don't know know you had a twin sister something like this but however it was

Andrew Wilsonthat your thought waves and brain patterns work were mapped completely on to another woman which is an exact doppelganger of you okay and a man could choose he fell in love with you and the clone of you had slept with no people

Andrew Wilsonand you had slept with a hundred people and it's the same person which one do you think the man would choose I think a large portion would want the girl who knows what the [ __ ] she's doing that part hold on you erroneous

Andrew Wilsonerroneous so do you think that they would prefer the promiscuous you yes this is a topic that's actually debated onine what do is just look at the camera then and say that you're going to [ __ ] a ton of dudes because you think it's

Alyssagoing to raise your value to men well I don't give a [ __ ] what anybody used my value as I don't have a high body count and I don't want to regulate [ __ ] oxytocin receptors by Sleeping with a bunch of people aimlessly yeah but

Alyssawouldn't people love you more if you did would men love some guys do prefer women who know what they're doing they don't want to have to train somebody some men some men are possessive and like want someone to themselves and I think that's

Alyssaalso fair and one argument that women have against that is like oh men only don't want a girl with a high body count because they're insecure even if that is the case like who cares like they're allowed to feel I know it seems it seems

Andrew Wilsonto me that the value of virgins since there's so few of them in society has skyrocketed in the dating Marketplace and that men are competing over them a lot more than they're competing over women who are highly promiscuous is this

Andrew Wilsonhas this been studied is this like are there prer on the preferences disgusting question we we this around

Andrew Wilsoncan I can I can I yeah we can but just let us finish our argument we're almost we're almost done so uh yeah there has been studied for preferences for higher low body count and men tend to prefer a lower body count yeah mhm okay that's

Andrew Wilsontrue and they do tend to compete a lot more over over women who are virgins they tend to compete a lot more for them so they it seems that based on supply and demand there's a lot fewer virgins

Skyso the supply of them is down the demand for them is up okay but so so they can diverg them that's what percent a virgin so I can take her virginity what percentage of women that are

Skyconventionally attractive are going to remain virgins up until the point of marriage very few very few right

Skyso then that brings in the predicament of reality versus idealism which is ideally very attractive their aled

TTS/Donationsmeatball donated $200 dating Marketplace is obviously different than a market for goods if you want a more complete partner some level of exploration is necessary is bad but

Andrew Wilsonso is promiscuity virgin is bad totally age disagree virgin dis every every single Marketplace she she's a psychologist she should know this right every single

Andrew WilsonMarketplace in economics also runs off of psychology it also runs off of cons trust it runs off of how people feel about the product successful marketing

Andrew Wilsoncampaigns tug at heart strings has nothing to do with the product at all so no all studies how recently were they done what's that how recent are these

Taviastudies I I have them Nick can you get those pulled up please I these there's like multiple studies both of them please what's the background on the studies were they just random men that they picked up off the street me to be

Andrew Wilsonfair we could like AP uh no many of these have had a meta analysis there have have been a meta analysis done on these studies and did men did they do it for women too like did they ask women what they thought

Andrew Wilsonabout men that were virgins okay but this is not what we're talking about no Yes actually we do have some studies on that too it seemed to be less important to women than it did to men Nick a little less zoomed in please okay scroll

Brian Atlasdown just a bit so there was a study in 2023 re-examining the link hold on reexamining the link between premarital sex and divorce scroll down uh there was one in this other one uh sewing Wild

Brian AtlasOats valuable experience are field Full Of Weeds personal relationships and some I don't know uh there's another one from

Brian Atlas2018 fewer sex partners means a happier marriage there's 2018 from wolfing wolfing J promiscuous America smart

Brian Atlassecular and somewhat less happy yeah uh there's there's 1974 premarital sexual Behavior that's not the topic the topic is do men where are the studies that

Alyssaspecifically say that men prefer women with less body counts as the next tab Nick the next the next one and I don't discredit that you could be right I just haven't seen there's a

Alyssawhole bunch of uh cuz those are not promis cuu and infidelity say I'm Ain they 2017 okay not going to me if I'm not

Alyssaa I can agree with all of this by the way I am highly aware the Neuroscience behind why having a bunch of sex partners is not good for you it essentially downregulates your [ __ ] o oxytocin receptors and for men dopamine

Alyssawell both women and men but more so with men the vasopressin and the dopamine so it's not good if you want someone who can actually emotionally connect you're going to find that person less likely because what happens talking about pair bonding you create yeah you create like

Alyssaa neural imprint and then why earlier did you just say that most men would prefer women with high I'm not saying most I'm just saying I don't know that it's the case that men care like I've heard and I've seen on online debates a lot of men say they would prefer to be

Alyssawith someone who knows what they're doing who has a little more experience I think those men are probably trying to sleep I personally think it's having a lot of a high body count is not ideal like for me because it's the same why

Alyssanot issue in Min because I want someone with properly functioning dopamine receptors who's not going to be more prone to risky behavior and that can actually pair bonds and be monogamous because that's what I would want out of

Alyssaa partner also so why would you make the Assumption through the other direction promiscuity can also reflect like mental health issues not to stigmatize them but like you have higher

Brian Atlaspromiscuity health issues that's a that's another justification for a man not wanting to date somebody right I'm not saying that those reasonings don't exist because I agree you're trying to justify well she has a high body count

Alyssabecause of mental health M I think it's fair for someone not to want to be with someone with a high body count because it could reflect mental health issues because priscu High promiscuity is associated with things like BPD and we

Alyssahave millions of years of evolutionary biology coded into our DNA geared towards self-preservation so it's fair to not want to be with someone who has a high body you know sex isn't this like

Andrew Wilsonmore interesting that bring up Evolution how would you how would you pre uh paternity test make a determination on if a child was yours from a man's

Andrew Wilsonperspective how how would you do that how would what pre paternity tests which are recent from an evolutionary standpoint How would you as a man be

Alyssaable to make a determination that a child a woman had was yours looks what do you what do you oh okay so I mean I guess how would you determine that you would just look at them and see if they

Andrew Wilsonlook like you I suppose well if they were more chased right they had less promiscuity than this is a woman who you could count on likely to actually be bearing your child right right so we

Alyssalist so wouldn't that be wired in as a preference then evolutionarily it could be but I think the dating Market is is vastly different because of second wave feminism leading to hookup culture just to be clear so when was hold on when was

Brian Atlassecond wave feminism I don't know the [ __ ] dates when what within the past Century yes do you think that do you think that the evolutionary basis that Andrew is

Brian Atlasarguing about has been undone in the course of less than 100 years definitely to some extent yes absolutely you don't that's not how okay make a poll then that's not how Evolution make a poll

Alyssamake a poll let's ask the guests no listen I agree with you guys on this I'm just saying you can't say that all women all men or even the majority of men prefer we're not we're not putting anything in a you are saying the

Brian Atlasmajority of men prefer I would say the majority of men prefer and you could be right but how like where are you drawing this conclusion let me ask you a question if you look up into the sky mhm

Brian Atlasand I say that the sky is blue do I need a study to prove that the sky is blue in the false equivalence is that [ __ ]

Brian Atlasit's God so you want a study that that indicates that men have been surveyed how about this if I ask my chat the of proof is on you so if you're making

Alyssathese points then yes you should show a study not in regards to divorce or any of other [ __ ] that you just picked up pulled up but if you're going to say men prefer women who don't know what the [ __ ] they're doing I'm just saying like

Andrew Wilsonyou can look online and see men talk about you uh D so let's let's dive into this real quick then let's find out and we'll test your logic and see if that's true you're requesting empirical data is

Andrew Wilsonthe burden of evidence for whether or not uh this can be demonstrated to you which I think is fair but what if we could logically demonstrate it for you that's also another way in which a thing

Alyssacan be demonstrated to a person that does not require empiricism correct it depends on the topic you can't logic you I don't think you can apply that to any argument stance you're going to speak onf of other

Andrew Wilsonmenm itself is just a a foundational ethos of I believe X so like you would have to justify why we should even use empiricism but that aside okay yeah yeah

Andrew WilsonI mean hang on you would but I'm just going to grant that maybe we could as long as you'll grant that I could also logically demonstrate something to you as well because you'd have to logically demonstrate why we should use empirical data uh I'm just going to grant that we

Andrew Wilsonshould but if I can logically demonstrate for you for instance that most of the world is religious most of the world is religious not some and most of the religions of the world have some

Andrew Wilsonkind of virtue ethic when it comes to sex is that correct yes absolutely well then there must be some preference for promiscuity they bad from the position of both men and women I mean you could

Alyssaalso argue that someone who is promiscuous is probably more fertile like there I mean you could really dive into that on all kind not contend with my argument that I just gave you at all

Andrew Wilsonmost of the world is religious religion stop let me let me make the argument again and then steal man the argument before you respond to it okay the argument is if most of the world is religious most religions have a sexual

Andrew Wilsonethic which is against promiscuity which they do uh then it seems that people must have some preference against sexual promiscuity that would be a sound conclusion can you steal man the

Alyssaargument first and then give me an argument cter to it I think what you're saying is valid but I think that not everyone who's

Alyssareligious upholds religious values by far by far outliers that's a nonse what's the argument the argument is that until there's actual data saying what

Andrew Wilsonmen prefer then all of this is just hypothetical [ __ ] it can't be hypothetical we have empirical data on religion we empirically that most of the world is religious when was religion formed you have to take into context Society at the

Andrew Wilsontime that it was formed why do we that when we talking we don't live in that anymore that's no no no that's literally that's a genetic fallacy what are you talking about

Andrew Wilsonthat's acious form of argumentation why would we have to go to when a religion was formed to make a determination that right this second most of society is religious Mo in most societies of the world have some kind of

Andrew Wilsonreligion they adhere to with sexual ethics which are against promiscuity therefore there must be some preference against promiscuity unless you can give me a counterargument to that I'm not saying that there's not a PR reference

AlyssaI'm saying and and most of the people that would be in favor of women who are more experienced are not going to be religious to begin with so they adding all these variables not a counter AR they're kind of cucks to be honest I

Alyssamean I don't that's not a counter argument like what's the counterargument to it some people might not be religious I I know I'm granting that that but you're trying to add in a bunch of variables that may not be applicable in today's society I don't know very many

Alyssapeople who have said things along the lines of I prefer a woman who's more experienced that are religious most of the people in the world do not live in Western societies most do not so are we

Andrew Wilsonhaving a like we're talking about we're talking about Muslims and we're talking about Jews and we're talking about Christians and we're talking about all sorts of different religions which exist there's almost in all of them an ethic

Andrew Wilsonagainst sexual promiscuity almost all of them if we're talking about the world against against promiscuity right yeah if we're if we're talking worldwide yeah that's fair yeah yeah so well I

Andrew Wilsonmean you don't think that human beings evolved you don't think that men the ontological nature of what is a man in a Muslim nation is different than the ontological nature of a man here right I mean they're the same they're both men I

Andrew Wilsonthink so why would they have a preference there distinct from a preference here for all of us who are religious seem to have this preference and most people are religious there's multiple factors that

Alyssago into a person's decision- making and religion is not the only thing there are social aspects generation aspects and are you arguing that what things are like in Egypt right now are similar to America are you saying the culture

Andrew Wilsonthere's going to be a cultural of course there's going to be cultural distinctions between them but their religions can be uniform even absent cultur so for instance Muslim religion in Africa could be exactly the same religion which is followed in the middle

Andrew Wilsonof Qatar whatever right sure the the point is is though is yeah we can even take into account these cultural considerations but if most of the world is religious and I and you agree that it is and we can empirically demonstrate

Andrew Wilsonthat you empirically know that that's true uh then I don't understand how I haven't given you a good logical demonstration because we also know that that most people are against promiscuity

Alyssathere are less and less religious people as time goes on like you can't pretend okay so I live in the west so that's what I'm debating I already gave you I already gave you the if we're considering the whole world then absolutely that's fair but if we're

Alyssatalking about American culture I just don't think it's fair to say that most men want a woman who's a virgin or inexperienced most people in the United States identify with a

Andrew Wilsonreligion most okay well you would I mean if you you're talking about somewhere between somewhere between 19 and 30% who self ID is agnostic or atheist and even those people will often identify as

Andrew Wilsonbeing culturally Christian so the thing is is that if that's true even here the the mo most the majority of people even here and the immigrants which come into the country come in usually with a religious background South America

Andrew Wilsonespecially they're Catholic uh if they're coming in from the East they're Muslim um you know or they're Rel there's even Christian sexs that allow

Andrew Wilsonpolygamy and then there's all the different sexs of paganism that don't there few and the West does not allow polygamy it's it's it's not only illegal it's considered immoral and the Christian Christians Christian

Alyssapolygamists are not allowed to be polygamist okay maybe not legally but you want to act like is it legal in Nevada

Brian Atlasno it's not legal to be a polygamist in Nevada okay wait so let me ask you a question let me ask you a question here do you think that like do you think that men are

Alyssathinking I like her but I would like her more had she [ __ ] more men before me no I don't think it's a matter of that I just think sometimes guys want a woman

Alyssawho's more experienced and unfortunately they're find that in a virgin okay I would argue the men the men that want first off let's be real here most [ __ ]

Brian Atlasis good [ __ ] it's really not hard all that hard sex isn't this complicated procedure especially as a woman for women to be good in bed you it really

Brian Atlasdoesn't take much so this idea that the more sexual partners you've had that also actually on that note wouldn't you argue that a woman who's had one sexual partner but she's had sex with that

Brian Atlaspartner a thousand times is going to be more sexually experienced than the woman who slept with 100 men one time each there's so many there's so many variables to this how experimental is that one couple if they're doing the

Andrew Wilsonsame [ __ ] every time then they're not really she's not getting a lot of experience okay you know the the one of the one of the kind of cheap shots um that's often used by pure empiricist is

Andrew Wilsonthis idea of a multifaceted variables making the thing to so complex that we can't actually make any deductions from it or inductions from it uh but the truth is is that correlates there's

Andrew Wilsonusually primary correlates and then there's kind of nonpr you know non- primary correlates we still can look at primary correlates here when we're looking at data yeah right you I mean

Andrew Wilsonyou would agree that that's true so just kind of just kind of waving it off and saying hey you know there's there's tons and tons of variables nobody's going to dispute that there's there's tons of variables but there's still going to be prime corelates that we can look at at

Alyssaand that's what Brian's kind of pointing to is he Prime coreless yeah I think that's fair I'm not I'm not saying that it's not uh a lot of men who would prefer to be with a virgin or someone who has a lower body count I'm just

Alyssasaying you can't put this broad generalization on everyone because even on social media you can read through hundreds of comments of men

Brian Atlassaying the opposite so I'm just saying objectively until there's like men that these men don't exist but generally speaking speaking if we're having a convers we could talk about the dating

Brian Atlashabits of dwars look you want to talk about these specific dating habits of dwarves who live in Ecuador we can talk about it if you want but if we're speaking about

Brian Atlasjust generalities here we can arrive at some generalities and generally speaking men prefer sexual Purity and

Taviawomen the men in the study I just St I'm just telling you like our age group I need not even look at a study to make this determination everyone's going to have

Alyssatheir own in of course and I'm telling you in our age group there's our age group there's a large portion of men who prefer women who are more experienced so so it's not here let's talk about

Brian Atlassomething more simp then do you think it's a majority of men that prefer women with a lot of sexual experience I mean I don't know that's the whole point is that I don't know you don't know okay so

Brian AtlasI wouldn't feel confident saying yes so just to be clear if a high body count is proxy for promiscuity do you think a man would

Brian Atlasprefer to date a woman who hasn't had sex in a year or let's say date and sleep with he'd prefer to sleep with a woman who hasn't had sex in a year or a

Brian Atlaswoman who [ __ ] a guy an hour ago which yeah for sure okay what about a day ago I mean some men don't give a [ __ ] but for the most part yeah I think you don't

Brian Atlasthink have a disgust response to a woman who's recently [ __ ] another guy this is what I can tell you from having been a dancer when I was younger let me ask you question didn't earlier you said

Brian Atlasthat you wouldn't date a byy guy yes why I I for multiple reasons because he recently had sex with another man right well that was that was yall's topic but

Brian Atlasyes okay yeah no and again my value system very similar but do you do you have like a kind of a what was your response to your

Brian Atlasyour refusal to to dating a bisexual man I want a man was a disgust response there's not a disgust no didn't you say like I want someone who atted to me who

Brian Atlaswas the who was the one who said it would be gross because he just maybe it was you I it wasn't me it was you okay all right uh but you would but I

Alyssaunderstand that perspective yeah right so abely validate that I'm just telling you like from my experience having done only fans when I was younger being a dancer when I was younger most men don't care as much as y'all

Skywould like to prend no not most men I've never had a where's your where's your study for that I said it was antidotal experience as well then I'm just an

Skydismiss it and as I was trying to get at the point earlier is that men probably have a preference for attractive women

Skythat happen to not be virgins now what I was because I was she's saying alluding to the fact that a lot of attractive

TTS/Donationswomen are not going to be virgin valev donated $200 Pro Christian atheist here I can promise you men will gladly bang a [ __ ]

TTS/Donationsvery very few men will wed a [ __ ] this show exists to tell women how man think listen to what the men are saying do you think it's a w by the way good to see you back in the chat valiv like do you

Karenthink that's a W for you as a woman well guys still want to [ __ ] me no no no where's the ring where's the commitment where's the title okay I mean I've been married for 10 years and I was a huge back in the day we're talk out

Alyssaspecifically already said that I don't do only fans want to be with someone who is monogamous I'm not attracted to people with high body counts I don't have a high body count so in here and I denied

Alyssathat women are attracted to tall men would you look at me like I'm an idiot no and I don't okay women don't have a general you don't you don't think hold

Brian Atlason be good faith here really you really think that women generally speaking don't have a preference for tall men yes 100% everyone has a prence and all the different yeah

Alyssayeah God I just think that the next top I think that you guys hope that men view things the way you do and I would hope that there was more men that view it that way but in reality I just don't

Andrew Wilsonthink that's the case I don't think I mean but in with reality we do think it's the case so uh this is the the problem you your M hang on one side of the mouth you bank on

Andrew Wilsonempiricism then on the other side of your mouth to make your arguments you bank on anotal evidence I just want to know how much sex you guys get I don't see any reason I want to know how much sex you guys both had I'm in the middle

Andrew Wilsonof talking calm down so I don't I don't know why it is that we should actually believe your arguments if they're just anecdotal I don't know how many guys have you [ __ ] the past two months

Brian Atlasthat's a good question what's your AR I don't know if you I feel like men are angry that don't I don't know if you I don't know if you heard what she said but she was like I wonder how many how much sex you guys have so how many guys have you [ __ ]

Brian Atlasthe past month I asked you first how many when's the last time you had sex answer the question no I asked you a question first I've already told you I don't discuss that sort of stuff well

Brian Atlasthen I don't discuss it either okay all right well so on with it's fair it's fair I'll discuss it I'll answer if you answer

Andrew Wilsonyou ready go ahead hear it okay wait she no she hasn't agreed hold on she hasn't hav't agreed yeah we got to make sure we get an agreement Andrew discloses will you disclose yes that's fair okay great I've

Andrew Wilsonhad sex with one woman this last year how many of you had SE how much sex how much sex have you had I have sex every day oo as it should be well then good yeah how about you now answer please

Taviaevery day I've had sex with one person and uh I've had I don't know probably six or seven times in the last two months was that the

Brian Atlasquestion yeah I'm happy what about you Brian oh wait he doesn't yeah he doesn't disclose that I don't even understand the argument the argument is basically like if you're a man if you're a man and you have an opinion on this uh your

Alyssaopinion is only valid if you've had sexual intercourse anyway all I'm saying is I I I think it probably is the case that maybe there's a little bit more but I think a study should be done for me to

Alyssafeel confident agreeing to that just because I've seen again and I admit it it's anotal evidence of men portraying one thing and then in reality not giving a [ __ ] I've never had an only fans

Alyssafriend that could not find men I've never and and it really be like the most redpilled dude like the [ __ ] sub is the most redpilled person that I know and a lot of the subbers on your on only fans

Alyssaare people's like coach dads are like the ones like I'm against only fans so I just have a hard time accepting without evidence that most men in today's

Alyssasociety prefer virgins but I understand the reasoning for preferring virgins or people that don't have a high body count I don't dispute that in any way okay so look here's the situation right will a

Brian Atlaswoman who's promiscuous will a woman who's engaged in sex work be able to find a boyfriend yes can they find a husband yes but we're having a

Brian Atlasconversation of what men prefer so just because men might prefer one I think they just want to be They Don't Really Care I'll that's

Brian Atlasall they want to get [ __ ] I would per personally me personally if it's between like a girl who's a seven who's a virgin and a I'm talk just to be clear talking about her physical appearance here Jesus

Brian AtlasChrist somebody's going to clip that [ __ ] uh and then a woman who's like a 10 who slept with a hundred men I'm I'd much prefer to date and have a relationship with the girl who's a I

Skyfeel like the sevens are and I think that's totally fair I'm not arguing that at all like the I just think most men don't like the tens are definitely the 10 no nowadays the tens are definitely having

Skylike a lot of sex it's like I think most men are going to go for the and in dat in them M but for sevens and above they're still having a lot of Wrong by the way like they're still having a lot

Brian Atlasof believe that men really uphold the values that hold on you're but just to be clear like the men you probably are around you were a stripper you did only fans no no no I'm around churchmen that

Alyssaliterally procure it's not what's your denomination I'm a non-denominational Christian okay should I pick a denomination I guess you could say I'm a Protestant cuz I'm not a Catholic okay I

Brian Atlassee how they push for that you could you could classify me as that well we can go in circles on this the whole time did you not find the paternity uncertainty argument that Andrew made compelling

Brian Atlassure so there's an evolutionary basis so for example so for example if a woman has 10 husbands and she's sleeping with all 10 of them prior to DNA testing

Brian Atlaswho's the father you don't know but if a man has 10 wives you know who the father is in all instances and you know who the mother is in all instances so for this reason I don't discit right this reason

Brian Atlasfor it's an evolutionary reason paternity uncertainty it's one of the biggest L's you can take as a guy to raise child like to to think that the child's yours where there's paternity fraud to think that the child is yours

Alyssabut it actually isn't you got cheated on you got cucked major L for a guy right but like think about it you just had Destiny on here recently that is a great uh reflection of men these days I don't

Alyssathink most men give a [ __ ] like most men don't even want to have kids most men polygamous relationships like most men don't have the standard where they're like he's not religious

Alyssathat's most men you think that most men want to let their wife get [ __ ] by other men I think a lot of okay maybe not their wife but I think a lot of men just really don't give a [ __ ] about this anymore then why' you say Destiny was a good

Alyssareflection of the general population I mean there a lot of men are that way now there's not a lot of men demonstrate it for me make a poll how many people are polygamist like how can I demonstrate it for you when I'm not like no that's not

Alyssamy question how many men do you think let other men on purpose bang their chick I think there's a a lot of people in open relationship percentage see how many question because it hasn't if you

Alyssacan show me a [ __ ] polled States why do we have to make your point you think that non- monogamy is on the rise and do you think that religiousness is going down because both of those things are

Andrew Wilsontrue MH in our country yeah but this this is not you demonstrating for us that you think that guys like Destiny are a reflection of the general public of men that's an insane claim I think that I would really like to see you

Alyssajustify some I'm telling you non- monogamy is on the rise in America religiousness is on the downfall getting married marriage is on the downfall divorce at a crazy rate I think that

Alyssareally reflects that people don't really uphold these morals that were around [ __ ] you know even 20 years ago the climate change I know 1% in any way listen that is in no way shape or form

Andrew WilsonI'm going to Grant all of those as being true cuz they for the most part all are true okay that still has nothing to do with the claim that most men in the general public are letting other men on

Alyssapurpose bang their chicks that's that's an outrageous claim I don't think I think for the most part when you consider that religiousness is not as popular non- monogamy is becoming popular people don't care as much what

Alyssathe [ __ ] body count is am I saying that they shouldn't I think you should for multiple reasons like someone with a high body count reflects Danger on multiple levels physically there is no reason for us to believe that because you're non-religious that because you're

Alyssanon-religious you're going to let other men plow your plow your chick there your argument was that religious people care about purity and I don't think that's the case either typically yeah but I think that most men why why do you get

Alyssamarried even as a secularist do you think that it's so that you can share your chick no but not everybody supports marriage so how does that factor into the debate well most secularists are still getting married kind of no you're

Andrew Wilsonkind of proving my point less people are getting married so but secularists are still getting married so the thing is is that secularist getting married religious people are still getting

Andrew Wilsonmarried want virgins or people like I'm not I just want to see data that's backing the point because what I'm saying you're making the point that burdens on you not on us no actually

Andrew Wilsony'all made the point no you made the point that the general public is is like Destiny a good reflection so now of the general side tangent the general point is that you and say you were wrong you

Alyssasay that most men prefer a woman that has a lower body count I'm saying show me any data that reflects that this generation of men give a [ __ ] cuz I

Julietdon't think they do I think if it's just to sleep with them they care that they don't let us that's not what I think they're talking about I think they're talking about for long-term commitment but like look she's in a long-term committed relationship I have multiple

Alyssafriends that are only fans girls porn stars dancers who are all in committed monogamous relationships so these men obviously don't give a [ __ ] that they're but but she's not in a committed

Bobby Lavendermonogamous relationship right mostly yeah I mean they live together it's very much it's a very serious relationship yeah and it is a very serious relationship it's the most serious one I've ever had I was doubting the Ser I

Alyssameant about the monogamy though we're just a little different you know we're just a little different than what you might think is like normal well that just kind of reiterates the point like you can be in a serious relationship and not even expect monogamy and that's

Andrew Wilsonbecoming culturally normal and it's not culturally normal I I'm not you don't think it's culturally normal among Our Generation it's becoming more generation it's not culturally normal anywhere in

Andrew Wilsonthe United States or in any Western nation that I'm aware of if you're married or even have a girlfriend that you on purpose allow other men to plow her that is not a cultural norm no okay

Andrew Wilsonso is the argument they're ostracized by other men they're called cucks by other men they're uh considered to be less virtuous they're mocked they're ridiculed endlessly that sounds like the

Alyssaopposite on stay on the point it reflects that men do not care how many women draw circles on the table and that's good that you're doing it because that's what your arguments are they're circular you're trying the side tangents

Alyssato distract from the original point if you can show me data that shows that modern American men care about virginity or body count then I will absolutely concede because I am I've already displayed that I'm willing to do that

Andrew Wilsonbut the problem your arent is not strong enough for me to do that on this I don't but it doesn't matter if the argument is not strong enough for your skepticism empirical data is not in a standard which must be adhered to when you have

Andrew Wilsonlogical demonstration so I logically demonstrated to you that there must be some preference for Chastity or most of the world wouldn't be religious with chased religious values it must be the

Alyssacase that they must value it to some degree right and I gave you that if we were talking about the whole world and then I clarified that if we're talking about America I just don't see anything that shows that men really care as much

Brian Atlasas you're claiming here let I got a question I got a question if we were to do some poll if we were to go into the street and approach a 100 men and we gave them two options and we said would

Alyssayou prefer to data woman with a body count of 10 or a body count of 100 do you think they would lean more towards one or the other okay let's let's make the question what you said earlier a 10

Alyssawho has a higher body count or a seven that has a lower well these are these things factor in like I think men care more about how hot a chick is than they do her body count okay so here we go

Andrew Wilsonpersonality individual differences you can find this study was done by KT s men's revealed preferences regarding women's promiscuity uh in the abstract literally right away in the abstract now if you

Andrew Wilsonwant I can get into because I think it's fair if you're doing anything it's empirical that you want to probably understand methodologies things like this but men have evolved to exhibit a desire for Chastity and sexual Fidelity

Andrew Wilsonand an abor of promiscuity in long-term Maids you we investigated whether these preferences manifest themselves even in an unlikely situation like prostitution by observing men's behavior we

Andrew Wilsonconsidered 8 8,817 prostitutes under 45 who worked in uh Indonesian cities we measured female promiscuity by

Andrew Wilsonexperience in prostitution so if we go ahead without you know going into every uh detail essentially in almost every

Andrew Wilsonsection of this they preferred less promiscuity now you could say well we could adjust because they comparing them to prostitutes and there's cultural stigma I can understand that too we're also talking America

Andrew Wilsonspecifically yeah you can look at all sorts of of different uh variables inside the study yeah yeah I would grant that as being totally fair okay so but I just want to let you know that what's interesting about it is that what's

Andrew Wilsoncited in the abstract immediately is that men have evolved to exhibit a desire for Chastity and sexual Fidelity in an abor of promiscuity and long-term Maes why would that be fundamental in

Alyssathe abstract from people who have an evolutionary view why would that be the case in the evolu from an evolutionary perspective it's 100% valid and believe in evolution correct I do then what the

Andrew Wilsonhell are you talking about I'm saying that in mod evolution is not the only thing that factors into a person's decision- making yes that's you just said that evolutionarily men have evolved to not like promiscuity but

Alyssayou're not convinced that men don't like promiscuity I'm super confused I'm saying that there's many things that factor into a person's personality and their decision-making there's nurture there's nature there's evolutionary biology there's generational influences

Andrew Wilsonthere's a lot of influences on what makes a person make a decision we're going to boil it down to the IND for instance in nature versus nurture we don't really know it could be 50/50

Andrew Wilsoncould be we don't know when you're talking about nature but when you're talking about nature itself it almost always does come down to Nature you're talking about things like IQ things like this 100%

Andrew Wilsonthere's only x amount that can be done from nurture but the thing that's interesting is that even if we take into account let's say it is a 50/50 between nature and nurture then your evolutionary biology of promiscuity the

Andrew Wilsonnurture portion of that would also be brought down to the children from the bi olcal parents who were evolved to not like the promiscuity so you would have

Alyssaboth of those strong correlates there you cannot like it but what was the question on here right like the that if a girl who does only fan is less likely to find a partner and your retort to that is it's because men want someone

Alyssawho's less promiscuous or doesn't have a high body count I think even if that is the case which I'm not saying it is because I don't know I haven't seen anything that convinces me enough that men really care except Evolution

Alyssacurrently okay on evolutionary level for sure absolutely but that's not the only part of when it comes to if they're actually going to date a only fans girl I don't see many of them not in

Brian Atlasrelationships or lacking we've already we've already granted you that women who do only fans can get into relationship we're not saying women who do only fans they'll be forever alone they're going to be entirely precluded from ever

Brian Atlashaving a male partner but I don't think they're even less likely to find someone though wait you literally didn't you literally concede I don't know if it was you I'm saying you don't you don't acknowledge that a woman who's involved in sex work you don't think it closes

Alyssathe door at all for any man some yeah for to some guys most I would argue most right that's where we're having the disagreement I most would be most would be 51% or more I don't necessarily think

Alyssayou think 51% of men want to date a woman let's let's do the even if they don't want to that doesn't mean that they're not doing it I could say I prefer okay I could say I prefer a guy who doesn't have a high

Alyssabody count and I meet someone and I fall in love with them and I'm like you know what as long as you're monogamous with me I can look past it and I think that happens a lot for I just have one last one last question right because I just want to I just want to uh tell you on

Andrew Wilsonthe other end of the study now to be completely fair to you I'm looking this on the flag you're asking for empirical data right um so I mean you have every right to question it but one thing here the results that were derived from this

Andrew Wilsonparticular study it demonstrated that men exhibited those evolutionary preferences is because they paid less to more experienced prostitutes and they paid more to less experienced prostitutes why do you think that would

TTS/Donationsbe to avoid STDs I'm sure but again you're trying to compare PR hang on these prostitutes were

TTS/DonationsSTDs doned $500 okay let's mute Raven time to move on all right we got to mute our mic for 10 minutes because that's can I just finish it real quick yeah go ahead they

Andrew Wilsoncontrolled for STDs so why did they want the less experienced prostitutes and paid the them more than the more experienced prostitutes 10 seconds and then we're going to I had to imagine it would be to avoid STDs like you're going

Andrew Wilsonto ass no that was controlled for they didn't have STDs so and the people participating in the study knew this less experienced women are a lot easier to

Andrew Wilsondominate okay um well but wait I thought that the reason that we valued the promiscuity is because those experienced women had experience why getting paid less M it mute it mute it we'll we'll

Brian Atlasput her back on at 10: uh okay it's just like you wouldn't even I was enjoying that argument but okay fair enough you weren't even answering the the 10 versus 100 you

Brian Atlasmentioned STDs hold well they can't even hear you your microphone's muted hear that's fine you mentioned STDs the more sexual partners you've had the greater risk for STDs

Brian AtlasI said earlier uh I'm going to move on so we're going to get to our notes Here for sky sky you said you were uh engaged in oh we kind of talked about your online thing you took the mushrooms

Brian Atlasthing yeah he molded a large amount of your interest uh he really did you wasted your time on him you said you used to hook up with a guy who was a mechanic but you're actually kind of

Skyterrified that you're terrified of yeah I'm kind of terrified of his um interest in me because for the most part he did you

Brian Atlaswant to read the rest of what he requested from me yeah he wanted to dress he wanted you to dress him up and do his makeup for him to get railed by a

Skydude and for you to watch and degrade him yeah that's essentially what he wanted that's weird um what that's wild

Skywhat really terrifies me about the situation is the willing for him to like did you do it no I haven't done it and I don't plan on doing it it's not

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