Armpit Hair Feminist HEATED DEBATE?! 100+ Body Count?! MASSIVE COPE?! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk #168

Date: 2024-06-10

Duration: 7h 24m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBobby Lavender >

AAlyssa (DT168)>

JJuliet (DT168)>

KKaren (DT168)>

MMadison (SBCC)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Tavia(guest)

SPEAKER_04Alyssa(guest)

SPEAKER_05Bobby Lavender(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Karen(guest)

SPEAKER_13Sky(guest)

SPEAKER_14Juliet(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBobby Lavender introduces herself: 30yo, Louisiana, OnlyFans since pandemic, also cams on MyFreeCams

“hello my name is Bobby lavender I'm 30 years old just turned 30 I live in Louisiana I am on only fans for like four years now basically since the pandemic”

QuoteAlyssa discloses she is legally separated from NPD husband; two kids ages 1 and 2; filed for divorce February

“I officially filed in February I wanted out of my marriage the last several years Texas will not finalize divorces when you're pregnant and I was pregnant for 2 years in a row”

QuoteKaren reveals she married her husband who was intended as a one-night stand in Skagway Alaska; he was a friend of her then-hookup

“I married a one night stand he was supposed to be a one night stand and it turned into a 10-year relationship”

ControversyMan vs bear debate begins: Brian presents the viral TikTok question to the panel; Bobby chooses the bear

“going around the table would you rather come across a random man or a bear in the woods”

QuoteSky argues men would commit SA if there were no consequences, saying it is a 'natural inclination for men to want to dominate women'

“I feel like it's a natural inclination for men to want to dominate women and be aggressive”

QuoteKaren reveals triple-digit body count: 'my husband knocked the hoe out of me'

“that's all I'm going to give you it's a high three digit but it's up there I'm a recovered sex addict so I'll just put that out there my husband knocked the hoe out of me that's how I put it”

QuoteBrian cites first fatal California black bear attack on a 71-year-old woman after panel chose bear over man; 'y'all will go to a bar filled with random men and hook up with random men'

“rest in peace a woman first fatal bear attack in California so this is local to us here in California y'all will go to a bar filled with random men y'all will go home and hook up with random men that's what's crazy to me”

QuoteAlyssa reveals the man she dated after separating from husband is now in a relationship with a trans woman who has a penis; debates whether that makes him gay/bisexual

“someone that I was with is now dating a trans woman who has a penis so is that gay do you think that's bisexual”

QuoteTavia objects to the recurring 'would a man date a sex worker' discussion framing; shares two men have already proposed to her despite her OnlyFans work

“I had two people proposed to me already and I've said no and I do sex work and they didn't see me any differently based on that”

QuoteBrian explains his objection to OnlyFans GFE: creators 'become very well practiced in deception and manipulation' by running chatters while advertising personal connection

“you commit fraud by saying I'm talking to you you become very well versed in fraud and lying”

QuoteAndrew Wilson joins show as call-in guest; introduces himself as political analyst and Blood Sport debater from The Crucible channel

“political analyst and I'm a Blood Sport debater I appreciate Brian having me on I was scheduled for tonight I'm here a little bit late”

QuoteJuliet concedes men have the burden in first date dynamics: the man has to convince her to sleep with him; she just has to exist and be polite

“definitely it's more on the man I would say because the women I feel at least in my experience I don't really have to do anything besides just kind of existing and show up and being basically polite and friendly and the guy just he's the one who has to kind of convince me to sleep with him”

QuoteBobby admits white people being bullied/called racial slurs at her predominantly minority school; Sky argues this does not count as racism (prejudice + power framework)

“I was a white girl and I went to a school where white people were the minority and I experienced racism”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions (name/age/location/occupation)

Brian intro; each guest introduces themselves in order: Bobby Lavender (30, Louisiana, OnlyFans), Tavia (22, PA, model/OnlyFans), Alyssa (27, Austin TX, realtor), Sky (24, San Diego, environmental health specialist), Juliet (38, Denver CO, marketing), Karen (45, West Hollywood, writer/comedian), Madison (19, SBCC, Whatever staff).

Relationship status round

Each guest shares current relationship status, how long single, and longest relationship. Bobby: 3-year monogamish relationship. Tavia: 3-month talking stage, previously single since November. Alyssa: legally separated, getting divorced (NPD husband, 2 kids). Sky: always been single, only e-relationship (3 days). Juliet: single/celibate 4 years since 7-year relationship. Karen: married 10 years (husband was meant to be one-night stand in Alaska). Discussion of monogamish dynamics and open relationships.

Alyssa's divorce / NPD husband

Alyssa discloses legally separated, filing for divorce. Husband suspected NPD per therapist. Two kids ages 1 and 2. Filed for divorce during first pregnancy; unexpectedly pregnant again 3 months later. Husband abandoned family; filed missing person report during newborn period. Husband dodging divorce service; now dating someone new. Discussion of TX child support maximums (~$2300/month for 2 kids).

Bisexual men / would you date a bisexual man

Brian asks panel if they would date a bisexual man. Tavia: yes (is bisexual). Bobby: no (hygiene concern). Alyssa: no (wants masculine man). Sky: no. Karen: no (has been with some unknowingly, didn't bother her then). Debate about whether pegging makes a man bisexual. Alyssa says she would peg a man but not date a bisexual man.

Sky's celibacy / waiting until marriage

Sky (24) has never been in a real relationship; now practicing celibacy and considering waiting until marriage. Discussion of whether switching to celibacy after sexual history is valid or a 'raw deal' for men. Panel discusses compatibility issues when one partner becomes religious mid-relationship.

Self-ratings (looks, face and body 1-10)

Brian asks each guest to rate face and body separately on 1-10 scale (no 7s allowed). Bobby: natural 10 face, body 6. Tavia: face 9, body 10 (hates her nose). Alyssa: face 5-6, body 8-9. Sky: face 5-6, body 9. Juliet: face 8, body 8. Karen: face 8, body 8. Madison: face 6.9, body 8. Brian: face 5, body 4.5 (admits needing to lose weight). Armpit hair debate: Bobby reveals she does not shave armpits. Chat reaction discussed.

Armpit hair debate / Bobby's grooming choices

Brian asks chat and panel if Bobby's unshaved armpit hair is a dealbreaker. Discussion of leg hair (Bobby does not shave legs either, fine blonde hair). Bobby shares stripper clients who were attracted to her armpit scent. Panel discusses pheromone attraction.

Man vs bear viral debate

Panel discusses the viral 'would you rather meet a random man or a bear in the woods' question. Bobby, Sky, and others discuss choosing the bear based on predictability. Brian challenges logic with zoo/bathroom hypotheticals. Discussion of SA statistics, what percentage of men would victimize given no consequences. Reference to woman killed by bear in California (first fatal Black bear attack). Discussion of transgender bathroom safety.

Body count round

Maddie (co-host) asks body count question. Karen: triple digits (recovering sex addict). Bobby: 50-100 (~80% male, 20% female). Tavia: over 40, under 60. Alyssa: ~6 (mostly long-term relationships). Sky: low count. Discussion of bisexuality, men who have had same-sex experiences, and what constitutes gay behavior. Debate about past guy going down on other men and Alyssa's dating a man now with a trans woman (penis).

Pre-show notes: modern feminism harms relationships (Juliet)

Brian reads Juliet's pre-show note: modern feminism harms men and women, keeps both from what they seek in long-term partnership. Juliet expands: second-wave feminism contributed to hookup culture; sex means different things to men vs women biologically (dopamine/vasopressin vs oxytocin). Discussion of who identifies as feminist; Brian's definition of feminism as women's advocacy not equality movement. Jordan Peterson quote on equal opportunity vs guaranteed outcome.

Sex work / dating a sex worker

Tavia's pre-show note: objects to framing 'would a man date a sex worker' as unusual question. Brian explains why dating sex workers is suboptimal (practised deception/manipulation via GFE fraud, lying about chatters). Panel discusses whether OnlyFans is easy or hard work. Body count and sex worker identity discussion.

Abortion / reproductive rights

Discussion of Texas abortion restrictions and women's medical care access. Brian argues abortion banning is not evidence of gender inequality since men have no reproductive rights. Panel debates equality framing of reproductive rights.

Andrew Wilson calls in (political analyst / debater)

Andrew Wilson (The Crucible host) joins as call-in guest. Introduces himself as political analyst and Blood Sport debater. Debates various topics with panel including feminism, male leadership, traditional roles.

Dating dynamics: male burden / who has harder time dating

Sky disagrees with framing that men have a burden in dating. Extended debate: Brian lists all male obligations in dating (approach, lead conversation, ask for number, plan date, pay, close). Panel acknowledges men are rejected far more than women. Andrew Wilson explains 'burden' means social obligation not that it is burdensome. Sky made Tinder at 17 to gain experience after getting no male attention in high school.

Age gap relationships

Sky objects to age-gap relationships on value-diminishment grounds. Karen is 9 years older than her husband (35-36 vs 45). Juliet has dated men 7+ years older. Brian notes younger women complain young men avoid commitment. Andrew Wilson weighs in on age gap dynamics.

Can you be racist toward white people / racism debate

Bobby shares experience being bullied/called racial slurs as a white minority at her school. Sky argues whites cannot experience racism (prejudice + power definition). Andrew challenges Sky's framework using logical consistency. Bobby ultimately concedes that whites experiencing racism does not have systemic effect. Karen notes she has seen racism directed at her white husband. Andrew points out Bobby's earlier framing justified racist behavior.

Roast segment and wrap-up

Short TTS roast segment at $25 trigger. Various viewer roasts read aloud. Chat donates, panel reacts. Brian closes show with thank-yous.

Transcript

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Bobby Lavendergoddess the three on the right yo okay there too many tongue ties the disliked person my God I'm simply hosting a simple Symposium for ravenhair

Brian Atlasgoddess you already read it oh my God yeah it's the same one you told me read but you didn't finish the whole thing oh my God 10 sorry 8.5 oh wait wait am I on the right too holy [ __ ] can just finish the [ __ ]

Bobby Lavenderso the three on the right it's disappeared cuz yall can't oh my God time I told you I'm challenged okay

Bobby Lavenderso raven-haired goddess 10 blonde 5.8 purple n question for the panel where do you work out in the

Karenbedroom I'm sorry that was terrible when's the last time I out I just work at my house when's the last time you got laid it's been over years I already answered that question who who's the Raven hair

Brian Atlasthat's who which one is I don't know that's black hair I have black hair black hair is Raven hair yeah I never heard R are all right can you read this

Madisonm Alissa when have you ever walked around like you're a five Tori excuse me Bobby keep the wo life glorious I have no idea what is oh okay the well I don't

Alyssawalk around like I'm a five because I cuz I don't just view myself in terms of like looks so I walk around with confidence because I have a lot of great attributes and I'm and even if you are ugly who cares you can still walk around

Alyssawith confidence um so like I can think my face is a five and my body is a nine or 10 and still you know walk around like you're ain't going to treat me anything less than a 10 wait who who's going to treat you

Alyssalike anything less than a 10 nobody is going to they'll get divorced if they do oh so they got to treat you like a 10 yes and I don't think the way you treat Tre somebody should be based upon their looks well what does the treatment that

Alyssatreatment entail what does it mean to be treated likeon Integrity um so that's going to cheat on a decent human being no I think that's what I'm saying I don't think I'm a 10 I think my face is a five and I said my body's like eight

Alyssaor a nine but despite that I'm going to be treated like a tin regardless that's the point that I'm making period fours get and it just and being treated like a tin means that like they're not going to cheat on you they're going to respect you they're going to make decisions with

Brian Atlasyou in mind like basic [ __ ] on the floor level things okay good to know good to know we're going to get into uh some of our pre-show notes Here uh actually you know

Brian Atlaswhat before we do that um I need to get up for just a moment Maddie do you want to ask your favorite question to ask while I go deal with some

Madisonstuff the favorite three sure okay I trust you um what's everyone's body count oh [ __ ] where are we starting

Madisonyeah where do you want start usually start like we usually go this every question so I have terrible memory and just give us the number I have terrible memory you could do like a range if you don't she does she forgot about some of

Alyssaour hookups together some of our three I literally was like we did what but I would say oh start this time okay we'll start with you I guess that means his commentary he wants to add three digigit

Karenthat's all I'm going to give you it's a high three digigit but it's it's up there I I I I'm recovered sex addict so I'll just put that out there so oh yeah nice congratulations thank you thank you my husband knocked the hoe out of me that's that's how I put

Karenit I'd rather not share being shy about oh come on Range I know I'm approv don't be approved Come On You' say like under 10 is it definitely under 10 okay so then you're you're fine you are approved

Alyssaprobably I know six I don't know exactly but and we were talking about it last night but I've had like a series of mon relationships

Taviamostly so I would say like under 25 but more likely under 20 um I think it's over 40 I have mommy

Taviaand daddy issues so it's been a long Learning Journey but I feel grateful because I've learned a lot about what I like sexually from my experiences and

Bobby Lavenderwhat I do not like so and for me I was going to say if we're counting men women and like seen Partners oh I'm sorry I have a little

Bobby Lavenderbitty tiny voice so we're counting men women and seen Partners it's at least 50 but maybe closer to 100 cuz I have bad memory at least how much how oh yeah sure we'll do men and women well

Bobby Lavenderdefinitely majority men cuz they're easier and I'm shy with the ladies you know so like how many of the 52 100 do you think are men the

Karenpercentage would probably be like 80 oh and then like the other percentage 20 20 yeah I have less female than men in my number I'm bisexual too but I have zero

Madisonwomen on my do so you're not really bisexual here you want to add one I'm by myself that's what I am wait is everyone here bisexual I

Bobby Lavenderdon't think so I am she is she is who said that then you just she you have

Bobby Lavenderifer like I literally don't even we've been like three but she but she's not bisexual would you say like most of like

Madisonyour bodies were like with her I love no that I think that was only three occasions okay yeah we're not out here just like tag demon all the time or anything like that sounds like they're

Skygoing out murdering people you're like how many bodies have you got what's your body just bagging people right in there that's why they both chose men cuz they actually want to murder the men

TaviaI have a serious question I have a serious question for you guys do you if if you're dating a guy and he tells you that he's had his dick sucked a bunch of times by a bunch of different dudes

Julietincluding his best friend is he gay yes he's at least does like yes of course he does I think it's different for men and women like I feel like in society like right like it's more accepted for women to sleep with other women like I've

Julietslept with a couple women but I don't really consider myself bisexual but I was like I'm curious and like it didn't traumatize me right like I didn't like question myself where I feel like if guys have an experience like that like

Julietit's not as accepted like like I ended a pretty serious relationship because I found out a man that I was dating had like gone down on another guy like in college which is so dumb I didn't judge him for it but after he shared that I

Alyssajust like saw him differently you know on one hand given that it is so like against societal norms and they still did it they you know what I've heard also I don't disagree with

Karenshould have the space to experiment Jud for me that killed it I just had an experience I've heard that men are actually better we're talking over each other wait your

Taviacurrent guy no comment not not the current guy not the current guy but if I if I said which one it was then I well I'm not going to say who but someone

Alyssathat I was with is now dating a man a trans woman who has a penis y so is that gay do you think that's bisexual I think I think is if you en sexual encounters I think if they

Alyssahave a penis it's if you're a man who enjoys dick then you are definitely a little bit gay and like I can no okay so here's here's the Nuance on my takeing that I think a

Alyssaman can want a woman to peg him and it still be straight cuz they have a GPA say that again yeah that makes sense I think a man who wants a woman to like peg him I don't think that's gay because he but if you sleep with a man who has

Madisontestosterone running through his body body on a [ __ ] biological hormonal level you're bisexual at least I think maybe it's not like gay but it's definitely like gay Behavior it is I

Skymean it's not fantasy wait we're not allowed to say it's not straight activity not that's fair do you think that about like Gaming's happy what I

Alyssaheard I think it's a little sus I I do think it's a little sus only because the guys that I've been with who were super inal I found one trying to hook up with men on Craigslist and then the other one

TTS/Donationsis now in a relationship with a trans woman who has a penis and very clearly if your dude has their Al meatball donated $200 any penetration to a guy is Mr

Skymeatball dropping the knowledge it's like a dominant submissive thing like I don't want a man what if I penetrate his heart with my love no but I've heard that men are actually better at going down on other men than women are what's

Madisonyour next question because they know they know more that's what I've heard I leave I leave for three minutes and they're talking about okay well she's had like some guy in the past that has went down on other

Madisonguys she's also other way other way lot had lots of guys go down on him yeah wait did we do we went all the way around on body count M what was every

Karencan I hear it again I um over 50 closer to 100 over 40 about 20 no no no just let them hold on let

Alyssathem say it themselves please so let's start with you go triple digit I don't want to share do you want to do a range she said it's very low under n very low

Alyssabut I just rather not six I feel like under 20 like over 40 less than what

Brian Atlasover 40 less than 60 less than 60 okay and then she said this one 60 or something she said 50 to 100 oh 50 to

Sky100 okay good times all right they must have had good times were they good times me are you asking me were they good times

Brian Atlasare we the times we not good yeah cuz I'm wondering in those experiences if they're quality really quick I'll just wait uh so one of the flakes we put uh Nick can you pull up the thumbnail

Brian Atlasreally quick uh guys so we uh have one of the flakes in the thumbnail and uh once we're done with it you can Exile that okay she's the one with the blue hair we obviously have the I guess the

Brian Atlasraven-haired girl and the pink-haired girl here uh so we're going to just do a little reaction to the thumbnail since she's not here there's a couple pieces of

Brian Atlascriticism and commentary I have on this thumbnail and on this photo uh first off gentlemen would you uh would you date a

Brian Atlaswoman who has a sternum tattoo has a under titty tattoo who has I believe fake lips they look a little little fake to me a little

Brian Atlaspuffy fake contacts and then the the blue it's obviously a wig uh a blue Bob so and I am possibly detecting nipple

Brian Atlaspiercings so uh chat would you date a woman like this I can speak personally there's absolutely no scenario where I would ever date a woman like that uh I

Brian Atlasmight even throw up in my mouth a little bit if I even encountered such a person especially if they were in to noshow to a commitment that they requested there might be a little vomit in the back of

Brian Atlasmy mouth um so would you I'm just curious guys would you like would you date her chat like that's you know you know just wanting your guys's input I have

Skyquestion tell me why I thought that was her for a second Sams and that was you before I have you go uh your so your body count is between 50 and 100 mhm and is it you said it's

Madisonlike mixed girls guys kind of yeah like 80 20 mostly guys okay go ahead Madison oh I was saying like if you had to date a girl like her and one of those bad

Madisonthings had to go which would you what do you mean one of the bad things the sternum tattoo the nipple piercings what's worse the like if you had to pick one to go like only one could go the

Alyssarest has to stay that's still pretty shitty how about just the being a terrible human being how about that that has to go why did y'all pick the most masculine looking picture of me I look like a lesbian in that picture it's a

Alyssagood photo the I like the the the beanie it's a good look for you okay cuz I got a big ass forehead that's probably why no I do have a big the uh if I was rich I would

Alyssadefinitely get like a hair transplant or something so my forehead your hair's fine is that the the second one that fell that was a mic the tables class

Brian Atlaswell can here why did it oh boy okay all right uh [ __ ] this table okay I

Bobby Lavenderwas thinking the same thing I can't it's it's physically impossible stop can I have you read this one please

Bobby Lavenderwow can you have her read this tongue twister also oh my God okay she oh God she sells seashells down by the seashore how much wood could a wood chuck chuck

Bobby Lavenderif a wood chuck could chuck wood would Canon clams clamp camp that was good I really tried I have like a little bit of a speech impediment as well so that's yo

Brian Atlaskill of cereal thank you man appreciate it thank you that was a perfect test I would like to actually test these women's typing speed like words per minute so one of these days I'm just going to like get a keyboard and let

Bobby Lavenderthem do like a typing test and see their words per minute I type with two fingers I type I can type pretty well just like I hit the you guys know what your words per minute literally like four fingers like 20 30 minut 30 words per minute or

Karensomething I'm old enough that I took a typing class in high school so um mine was up to 60 words per minute nice that's a good memory I cannot remember [ __ ] from last week I'm going to get

Brian Atlasinto the pre-show notes here um actually we did the Stiffler we had I guess a couple tons I'm just going to hide those um pre-show notes so starting with

Brian AtlasJuliet you wanted to talk about the ways in which modern feminism is actually harming both men and women and keeping us from what we actually are seeking do you want to add anything to that do you

Julietwant to elaborate at all or oh man you jumped right in I wasn't ready okay um I think that it's been really interesting for me over the years like the dating

Julietclimate was very different I'm 38 now so when I was um single you know like 10 15 years ago it was a very very different world and I feel like with it's not just feminism in general cuz I feel like that

Juliethas a lot of meetings right like feminism 30 years ago meant something very different than it does now but I think especially with modern feminism I feel like men and women women

Julietespecially more for some reason in my opinion have lost sight and I know we talked about this earlier of what the other is actually looking for when it comes to long-term partnership I'm not

Juliettalking about short-term casual stuff um I think that's been really interesting for me and um yeah I think it's a different world and I think that there are a lot of

Julietwomen who are doing only fans and sexw workk and all that kind of stuff and really enjoy it and are super happy and I think that's awesome I've also seen the flip side of it too so I'd love to hear your ladies perspectives on that I don't know what your experiences have

Julietbeen you seem like you're really happy with it which is awesome I fully support that I'm very I guess kind of libertarian in that sense I'm kind of like do what you want but I also agree um with Brian and kind of some other

Julietpeople who have been on the show where I've also seen the dark side of it and I I think going back to mommy and daddy issues I think we laugh a lot about that but I do think there's a lot more research coming out about how we were

Julietraised and how those family Dynamics determine not just how we value ourselves but what we tolerate and seek in in those Intimate Relationships

Julietthat's number one I think that secondly I think that as I've gotten older I think that sex means different things to different people right like for some people I feel like sex is about getting off and I feel like for other

Julietpeople it's more about intimacy and connection and yes like chemistry is very important I know especially like with my next partner like if that chemistry isn't there I'm not interested I do feel like that's kind of the glue

Julietthat holds everything together but I also think that sex is different for men than it is for women a lot of the time and people denying that I'm not saying one necessarily needs it more than the other but it means something different I

Julietfeel like men can have sex and not get get emotionally attached I'm not saying women can't but I do think that there is a biological predisposition there they're quite literally produce dopamine

Julietand vasopressin as opposed to women producing more oxytocin agree and I don't think that has to do with feminism I think there's some biology there that a lot of people these days maybe with social media maybe with new way feminism

Julietthey're just denying that and I think it's it's causing a lot of harm and I feel like such a lame prude saying that and 15 years ago I was never super promiscuous but I definitely had a very different mindset about it I was made

Julietmore kind of like free-spirited just in my mentality and I've really changed the older I've gotten so I'd be interested to hear other ladies perspectives on

Skythat so wait do you think that um modern feminity or feminism is uh like ruining sexual relationships between men and women definitely interesting in some

Julietways yes in some ways yes and I'm not like anti- sex I'm all for like I have no issue with that I really don't have any shame issues around that can you give an example example R of how you

Julietthink yeah it's an objective fact that second wave feminism contributed greatly to hookup culture yes so she just hit the nail on the head so it's a really good point so for example there's a lot of research coming out and that's my bad for not like being able to site my

Julietsources so I apologize but I think it's pretty easy to look this up but a lot of the the men that are on dating apps maybe some of the women too generally speaking they're not really seeking long-term partnership the people it

Julietdoesn't matter if it's hinge or t Tinder or Plenty of Fish I'm not saying that people can't meet on those apps and end up finding like the love of their life I know that that happens all I can speak on is anecdotally I'm not a scientist

Julietbut from my experience and 38 years of life right from a sexual Marketplace value standpoint 38 is kind of old I don't feel old but like you know I have to think like logically like just from

Julietwhat I've seen like it's it's just a very different world and um oh sorry and um and yeah I just feel like this idea that women can casually have

Julietsex and hook up with a lot of people and just detach themselves emotionally from that and I'm not even talking about drugs or alcohol I don't think that's actually possible and I do know that the one or two one night stands that I've

Juliethad in my life I was lying to myself pretending that like I didn't feel anything or I didn't care and I'm very very grateful that's one of the few things I got really right in my life is figuring that out super early on because

JulietI do think it saved me despite my family upbringing not being perfect or my mom Mom and Dad making mistakes like that's one thing I'm so grateful I learned early on in life because I do think it

TTS/Donationssaved me a lot of pain and Trauma grid One Motorsports donated $200 B the woman prattle is unbearable the patriarchy is standing by I can be

TTS/Donationsin the studio ready to remote in in 5 minutes which might prevent us all from being bored to death with all this prattle uh Hey grid One Motorsports thank you man uh just for for the sake

Brian Atlasof moving things along we're just going to continue on as is but uh good to have you in the Stream man we will get you eventually on the call in I'd rather like pre-schedule it instead of it being like sort of impromptu and spontaneous

Brian Atlasbut uh we will get you on the show eventually my man um whether it's in person or a call in or something I'd just rather like plan it ahead of time than

Brian Atlasjust impromptu spontaneous but good toar good to hear you in the chat man um well you mentioned feminism really quick so I ask going around the table who he is a

Bobby Lavenderfeminist starting with you I don't like claim any kind of side but I guess like if you ask me questions

Bobby LavenderI probably have some takes that are on either side no I wouldn't say I am so you you wouldn't say you're a feminist no I wouldn't say I'm a feminist just like I'm non-

Julietdenominational I wouldn't say I'm a feminist no I'm not a feminist I am not a feminist can I ask you to Define what that

Brian Atlasmeans well I mean there's different definitions people Define it differently uh there's a couple different charitable definitions I could give it the way I've

Brian Atlasdescribed it in the past is this is a charitable excuse me charitable definition is feminism is women's it's a woman's advocacy movement in in that sense I would say no

Brian Atlasum it's not it's not an equality movement that's fair and I I actually don't think there's necessarily anything wrong with women's advocacy but it's certainly not in my view it's not an

Julietequality movement well I to quote Jordan Peterson I do think it's like equal opportunity is important but the guaranteed outcome is not is not fair um

Julietso yeah I do think that men and women should have equal rights absolutely there should be laws in place to protect women I'm all for that but this idea on why should there be when you say there should be laws in place to protect

Brian Atlaswomen what do you mean because that doesn't sound like equality if the laws are only to protect women that's not really egalitarian is it fair I should have clarified um like a family setting

Alyssalike with children or something like that or maybe the fact that women were the ones who lacked the same equal rights so that's why the began like even objectively I'm not a feminist and I see

Alyssaa lot of issues particularly with SE second wave feminism um but yeah like you you're not saying that men shouldn't also have rights you're just saying that women had to catch up to the same rights

Julietholding aank account and whatever else but right now I I can I think it's fair to say like it goes back to the trans debate too sorry to bring that sorry is that a word I'm not allowed to say on here talk okay um like are there any

Julietlaws that these people don't have that that we have now or I mean just keep it to men and women but I feel like men and women have do have legally the same rights right now for the most part so I feel like I think it's fair that we can

Julietwe can probably stop at that um but I think the whole idea of of men being trash or evil or bad or pieces of [ __ ] I really can't get on board with that

TTS/Donationsseism it's yeah are you racis CPR ice $1,824 donated $200 pardon I missed the intro so I

TTS/Donationsdon't know your name but divorce I'd like I shot at the title at the title of what like my next husband yeah I don't get it yeah he's shooting a shot you have her Instagram

Brian Atlaswhat she look like are you smart are you going to hide behind a screen see price hey she's open-minded she's asking if you're smart what's your IQ and she also wants to know your PP size so please

Brian Atlasinclude that in your next chat she's dying to know all these things uh okay so feminists some feminists you're feminist okay good to know uh we'll

Brian Atlastouch on feminism a little later on in the show uh you said in your pre-show notes men being unwilling to commit and expect ing physical intimacy without commitment but you can't blame them

Brian Atlasgiven the current climate how women are conducting themselves but you raised relatively traditionally so it's been a real challenge for you uh just a question for you do you want

Julietkids um that's a good question I feel like I would need to have the right partner like I would never want to be a single mother just personal preference I think that'd be really challenging and I think also statistically the studies do

Julietshow that children do Thrive best with both a mother and a father so would I just want a kid to have a kid no if I met a man in the next couple of years who wanted a child and he was the right

Julietperson yes I would consider that but I don't really want to have a kid after 40 so you don't want to have a well what if you did meet that right guy after 40 I would just have to really consider that I think there's there's some health

Brian Atlasrisks there and I think I physically could right well would would you would you want it would not be my preference okay no uh you said

TTS/Donationsyou're doc villy donated $200 men with the dark Tech and women with cluster be are more likely to engage in short-term mating strategies

Brian Atlasfeminism has helped normalize all this mental pathology that's totally well put well put yep very good point uh thank you doc fin good to see you in the chat man you're you're a legend you also said

Brian Atlasthat you're a business owner you're relatively High earner you're a very driven person so finding a man who can match and ideally top uh that who's also interested in monogamy isn't easy so you're a business owner you say you're

Brian Atlasrelatively High earner I don't know if you can you want to give us a range in terms of income sure I'm assuming it's six figures yeah I mean there have been years where we've brought in a half a

Brian Atlasmillion yeah well in revenue or in profit profit okay who's we me oh okay I'm a corporation so okay do you have Partners or is it no what what's your

Brian Atlasbusiness for privacy reasons I'd rather not say just because some maybe don't say the name but is it uh let's just say marketing like marketing Consulting yeah

Brian Atlasall right it's just yeah so you're making mid to or low to mid six figures in that

Brian Atlasrange yeah okay yeah you said you've had to teach yourself what it means to be feminine and follow not for the right man but in general MH uh and you're learning how to become the

Brian Atlaskind of woman that the kind of man I'm looking for would see it worthwhile to commit to required a lot of change and self-reflection on your part so how were you before and how what what did you change um just kind of I think unaware

Julietof myself in a lot of ways um in ways that I was not really appearing masculine physically but but kind of acting very masculine if that makes sense was this before or after the

Brian Atlastattoos oh this was way before before you got tattoos okay M yeah cuz I it just it's interesting to me you said I

Julietmean you're 38 now and you had no tattoos and then it was it 34 35 35 and you're right that's a good point it was a very kind I don't want to say a limiting choice but in some ways a limiting choice for sure but a

Julietconcession that I pretty consciously chose to make what wait what's the concession um I think that it limits your dating pool I think there's a lot of associations with women who have tattoos which I totally understand so

Julietthen why I guess why did you opt to get the tattoos um because I think that I I got a very clear idea of my values who I was yeah yeah and I think there are a

Julietlot of other ways aside from just how you look physically that you can embody feminine energy as a woman in the sense of letting a man lead um really learning to defer in that way and fully trust

Julietsomeone and I think a lot of that has to do with doing work on yourself and has absolutely very little to do with tattoos but I am aware of how that can come across visually but I think that just seeing the kind of people that I am attracting into my life now

Julietprofessionally as friends um it's been a real indicator that I'm that I'm on the right path to getting to where I'm going and the tattoos I would not say have affected that in a negative way now you said your seven-year relationship ended

Brian Atlasfour years ago and you've been single for four years in fact you've stated that you've been celibate for that entire four-year period but you are an attractive woman so I mean why I'm I'm

Brian Atlasimagining that there are men who have uh demonstrated an interest in you uh do you feel as if your standards are too high thank you

Julietum or that's possible I think it's I think it's that's always possible Right like that we're that we're expecting something that's that's more than maybe

Julietwhat we're worthy of but um I also think a big factor of that is I was kind of a serial monogamist from the time I was like 1920 onwards I was always in like a long-term committed relationship ship

Julietand I had never really taken the time since I was younger and I lost my virginity to really it sounds really cliche but actually just be by myself and like learn to not like need a

Julietpartner romantically and taking the time to do that in my 30s the last couple years um I don't think it's so much that I'm like seeking these men and them being rejected so much it's more that

Julietlike I'm not in a rush to get into something where the person doesn't have the values that I'm looking for it's not really so much about like this guy needs to be six too and making a million dollars and like that that really

Julietdoesn't matter to me so much it's more just like I'm looking for a very specific set of values and I'm not willing to compromise on those values and because I embody those values I don't feel like I'm shooting too high and I hope that makes sense so it's more

Julietabout standards to have it's more about integrity it's less like the guy needs to be like rich and really hot like that would be nice but it's actually a a different set of things that I'm looking for at this point in my life but in your pre-show notes you said that you're a

Brian Atlasbusiness owner relative High earner we talked about that you're a very driven person so finding a man who can match and ideally top that who's also interested in monogamy so that does

Brian Atlasspeak to the values thing yes um but it does seem like you do at the very least want a guy uh would you say you want a guy who in terms of his income uh makes

Julietas much or more than you the woman in me does but I understand too that that might not be realistically impos like possible for me especially at 38 eight right like cuz a lot of those men are

Julietstatistically going to be going for younger women which I totally respect and that's their preference and it makes perfect sense to me um but would it be nice if I met someone who who matched that drive and when I say Drive I don't

Julietnecessarily just mean Financial drive as long as they can support themselves and they're like stable it's more drive and they're ambitious right and and their and how ambitious they are and their tenacity and also just having a vision

Brian Atlasfor their life that's important to me all right right got it moving to Tavia you said you've dated a sexy fireman from Spain that you met in Bali

Brian AtlasIndonesia yeah you dated a married couple that are open uh so you were like the third wheel or what do you call that unicorn yeah

Brian Atlasunicorn are they still together yeah oh okay uh you wanted to maybe we'll touch on that thing later uh you said you don't oh here's something you disagree on you don't

Brian Atlasagree with all the discussion about women's and men's roles in relationships I wanted to ask what specifically [Music]

Taviaum H well I think one time yeah loading loading loading one I think one time I like opened up like your podcast and I

Taviawas like scrolling through and there was just like controversy on like would a man want to be with someone that does sex work and and I was just like what kind of question is that cuz everybody's

Taviaso different like why does that one factor matter I feel like someone's job it's like why would why would why would a woman that's young like me want to marry a guy that works a 99 to-5 office job that mean to me that seems kind of

Taviaboring you know like why not a sexy fireman I mean everybody has a different why would it be boring to marry a guy who works a 9 to5 isn't that a perfectly respectful career path to me it's just boring uh so the same objection you have

Brian Atlasto wanting to date a man who's a blue collar worker for example who works 9 to5 why can't men have the exact same objection to dating a woman who [ __ ]

Taviaother people on camera no no well I'm just saying I don't like the the talk like if it's the question was like why would a man want to date a sex worker it's like well you could ask that

Taviaquestion about anything like why why would you want to date someone from Walmart why would you want to date someone who works at a pet store why but everybody's different you know so that topic was like irritating for me cuz I

Taviawas like why why is it irritating to you because it just doesn't in my in my like with the work that I've done like I've

Taviahad two people proposed to me already and I've said no and I do sex work and it they didn't see me any differently based on that okay so I mean

Brian Atlasin terms of the conversations we've had on this show uh honestly I kind of don't really care when it comes to if women do sex work on like I don't really care but my

Brian Atlasprescriptive advice that I give to men is dating a woman who is involved in sex work or was involved in sex work is a suboptimal dating choice so maybe that's

Brian Atlasyour objection there um men men and women can have any preferences standards and boundaries uh that they want but I mean let me ask you a question can you

Brian Atlastry to argue my position for me so argue why would somebody not want to date a sex

Taviaworker like can you think of any reasons um maybe someone that's you you about to say insecure sounded like you're about to

Brian Atlassay insecure there no I'm not asking what's wrong with that person I'm saying what would be some reasons why somebody would not like negative consequences of dating someone who's involved in sex work maybe

Taviasomeone that has a business they don't want that the idea of their partner to like ruin their reputation sure okay that's a good one yeah

Taviaum someone that doesn't want to share their person with somebody else with anybody else okay what anything else valid oh it's valid yeah well thank you for making my argument for me it's

Taviavalid I just don't like I just don't like that it's like a common topic that that's just was irritating to me like why is it always like why would it man want to be with a sex worker question just to be charitable just to be

Brian Atlascharitable women who do sex work invariably will probably uh there's a bit of a cope when it comes to this conversation uh I think if a woman's involved in sex work she'll probably

Brian Atlasfind a guy like this whole cope of like she's going to be a cat lady and never find a man it's cope especially if she's you know attractive and not a total

Brian Atlaspiece of [ __ ] she'll probably find a guy uh however I will say and in terms of prescriptive advice to men that I give I don't recommend it I don't recommend men

Brian Atlasdate sex workers I think it's a suboptimal dating choice and sometimes you're not always going to get the most Optimum partner in your life but it's it

Brian Atlasis significantly suboptimal in V for various reasons and I think the other

Bobby Lavenderthing is um just SLP my mind uh slip my mind but anyways yeah can I ask you can I ask you please what are

Brian Atlasyour reasons for why it's suboptimal like why would you sure yeah like she gave some reasons no yeah well okay yeah I'll give you a couple so first off uh for example women who do only fans and

Brian Atlasactually try not to bring this topic up just to be I suppose courteous to the women if we do have only fans girls on the show just not to throw your hustle

Brian Atlastotally under the [ __ ] bus but y'all become very well practiced in deception and manipulation and lying yep here's why because most of you sell the girlfriend experience and you basically

Brian Atlascommit in my estimation you commit fraud by saying I'm talking to you I'm not saying all only fans girls do this but most of them do the bigger they are the more likely

Brian Atlasthey are to have for example a tyer or to have a chatter but you're advertising yourself as saying I'm talking to you so you become very well versed in fraud and

Brian Atlaslying and you take you you have no issue with it whatsoever so um you become accustomed you become

Brian Atlasaccustomed and adjusted to making small lies and small lies become big lies so that's one of my issues that I have with it most of these sex workers are

Brian Atlasincredibly attuned to manipulation and lying can I defend just my personal experience actually don't we have tweet related one of some girl had a tweet about this [ __ ] hold on let me see if I

Brian AtlasI don't know oh man I don't know if we only have one tweet right Nick yeah oh man I could have sworn that I'm going to double check but uh do you guys acknowledge

Brian Atlasthat girls who do only fans have typers yes many of them do many of them many of them do that's the ones that like what do they what do they even put what do

Bobby Lavenderthey even put in their bio you can talk to me right I don't that that's I'm very very against having management companies and all that stuff sure so

Brian Atlasthat's one of my justifications for it in addition to that you uh only fans girls will typically hide the fact that they're in a relationship so you just become very well versed and practiced in

Brian Atlasyour uh deception and manip manipulation because if you were honest about the fact that you're dating a guy or you're married or you have a relationship it would hurt your bottom line secondly when it comes to the typing and chatting

Brian Atlasthing uh if you were telling the guys by the way it's some dude in Bangladesh who's getting paid $5 a day to be sexting with you and you're sexting with the dude it would hurt your bottom line

Brian Atlasso you're doing this sort of fraudulent misrepresentation uh on that level I object to it in addition in terms of the actual content that you're making uh and I actually think the fraudulent

Brian Atlasmisrepresentation is worse than the fact that there's nude photos of you uh floating around the internet we agree on that so for example about people in sales huh what about people in sales

Brian Atlaswhat do you think about them if they're if they're fraudulently if they're making fraudulent claims and they're enticing people it's called Uh fraudulent I think it's fraudulent

Brian Atlasinducement into a wait fraudulent misrepresent I can't remember the specific legal term but uh it could open someone up to civil liability if they

Tavialie about their product true but people on sales I feel like do it all the time well so there's something there's a sales principle called puffery like leaving things out of the well I mean it

Taviadepends it depends what is that technically considered lying or or fraud if something is intentionally left out can I interject when making a sale can I interject because here's the thing I I used to work for Jenny Craig for three

Karenand a half years as a um program director I I'm not selling lies I'm selling hope and like the fascination that they're going to be able to to lose weight right you are instilling Hope and Faith in these men that they have a shot

Karenwith you so I think that's part of what Brian is saying too is sort of like you guys are G you painting this fantasy like oh baby I only want you I'm only thinking of you you're gaslighting them I think everybody's almost all men do to

Brian Atlaswomen so that they can get into their pants okay so if I can acknowledge that that's wrong can you acknowledge that women doing it is also wrong I absolutely agree with you I don't have a

AlyssaI'm not disagreeing with you on that but I just think that the standard should be the same for men when it comes to their interactions with women because they will also act like oh I want to be with you when they really just want to sleep with somebody but they're not getting pay for it don't the men already have

Skythis understanding we know somebody that gets paid for it we know some men that get paid for it yeah do these do these men actually buy into the the thought that these women are interested in them absolutely I mean how much money are

Taviathey spend feti I think it's genuinely a fetish for men that they they want they I mean and I think at the same time it's also in a way way healthy for men that

Taviayou know need some sort of somebody to talk to and like for me that's what I make my platform about like you have like a place to come and be yourself and express when you're lonely while you're

Tavianaked and fingering yourself and only no them I'm talking about them not me but like I think I think sex work is super important because I think if we didn't have it that there would be a lot of men

Brian Atlasthat that have needs that aren't getting met and that makes things dangerous so you're aru is if there wasn't sex work that men would just be on a rampage just like essaying

Karenchicks I think it would be scary I me that's what porn is for the only the only difference between only fans and porn is that they get a reaction from you as opposed from porn that's the only difference you I mean you are

Brian Atlastechnically porn that's what only F exactly can I ask you something Brian are you a do you support capitalism oh you're libertarian okay I know where you're going uh yeah I'm in

Brian Atlasfavor of capital okay so there's a market for only fans so do you equally hold the men who create the market accountable yeah I mean I don't hold these men who like pay for these girls

Alyssaonly fans in high regard and I let's say your guy friend comes to you and he's like I want to get this girls only fan are you just saying well you shouldn't because she's X Y and Z or should or are you also like hey like you should probably contribute to society in a

Alyssabetter way than creating this Market which objectifies women and can lead to all the negative things that you talk about well there's Supply into Demand right so right so if you're a capitalist yeah I don't have anything

Brian Atlaswrong with capitalism I don't actually frankly I don't give a [ __ ] about sex work but from I I look at it from a dating lens so my prescriptive advice to

Brian Atlasmen is don't date a woman who has photos of herself [ __ ] other men on camera and I I think that's fine I'm just wondering if you also tell men like hey you probably shouldn't be subscribed I don't have a double standard on this

Brian Atlasladies if you don't want not everyone that does only fans [ __ ] men on camera that's fine but it's not like I have a double standard on this women if you don't want to date a man who's a porn star that's totally fine I don't have

Alyssalike so this is kind of not like a gendered thing necessarily but well I just really I think like when it comes to dominance in a man I find it way like I find it way more attractive and way

Alyssamore dominant when a man holds other men accountable like that's when I view a man as a real leader it's easy for men to sit around and be like you shouldn't want a woman who does da da da but it's harder for a man to be like hey

Brian Atlashomie you probably shouldn't be subscribing to this [ __ ] um I make I make this prescriptive claim all the time I say men you shouldn't even be following women on Instagram you shouldn't I don't follow any girls on

Brian AtlasInstagram you shouldn't be liking their [ __ ] sing for them leaving [ __ ] lame ass comments that's me holding men accountable men should not do that they shouldn't be paying for off they

Brian Atlasshouldn't be subscribing to it um but like I don't really give like would look would soci probably be better if there wasn't like porn and sex work probably at the end of the day though I'm not

Brian Atlaslike I I typically that's why I'm when I do have off girls or sex workers on I'm typically not making actual like criticisms of that specifically it's always from a dating f a dating lens

Julietwhere I'm basically saying guys suboptimal to date a woman who has an only fans and you're saying it's because of

Brian Atlasthe characteristics that porn star porn porn's worse so okay I mean well o is uh they're I mean if she just doesa traditional porn and then she does off

Brian Atlasthere's like different considerations there I mean look most of these of girls are just like constant Liars lie about everything we've had them on the show they lie about their age they lie about

Brian Atlaseverything they lie they make up stories for Content blah blah blah it's why I'm um in any case so look I think is

Brian Atlassuboptimal so yeah I don't know that's just oh here's the I mean the other reason I mean I kind of already touched on it it

Brian Atlasyour as a woman your future husband and children will not appreciate naked photos of you being available on the internet there's like the potential for

TTS/Donationsbullying for the child um don't have and just as somebody they arounded me Paul donated $200 Brian is right on the money He's a

Brian Atlasbrave and decent man he's a Pioneer it's good good to have you backman good to have you back uh thank you bro uh look I mean you're doing it it is what it is

Madisonbut uh yeah that's a great comment wom don't like I think these type of conversations also come up really often because a lot of like the sex workers that we have had on the show are like

TTS/Donationsstruggling really hard to find someone Christ is Lord ski forah donated $200 so the sex industry is helping men the human race got along just fine

TTS/Donationswithout hardcore corn for literally all human history for thousands of years is our society evolving or unraveling unraveling

Bobby Lavenderdefitely unraveling is what's happening we are unraveling they were hosting like sex parties there's like mentions of like all kinds of origies and life all kind

Tavialike slabs and [ __ ] yeah go back to gree man they was they was [ __ ] everywhere they was I mean honestly then naked women were considered art they just tities out statues everywhere I mean you

TTS/Donationscould argue that it's about the same You could argue that without same thing happen now except they're recording it and selling it you could say that without corn they were doing more in person of Cal donated

TTS/Donations$200 car salesman with a perfect junker jewelry salesman pushing a Flawless necklace an insurance salesman with the

Brian Atlasbulletproof deal an O F girl with the wetest content tell me hard her daddy yeah I mean look to your point about you know holding men accountable I

TTS/Donationsdon't think they should be subscribing to only fans I don't think that they should be following these IG models on Instagram Ulus is the Pagan donated

TTS/Donations$200 the current CEO of of key Blair female running a call on site females just as well can be dirt balls is the

Brian AtlasCEO of O what I thought it was a guy oh no the owners are men of only fans well we know that women I'll do a call to action right now I'll do a call to action to men right now uh we'll start

Brian Atlasperhaps with something simple to all the guys who are watching right now uh take out your phone if you guys oh yo stay safe thank you for the raid

Brian Atlasdude appreciate it man you're a [ __ ] Legend we're talking out degeneracy Guys open up Twitch Nick guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever stay safe thank for the raid man mods can you

Brian Atlasshout them out uh twitch.tv/ whatever if you just joined from stay safe guys drop us a follow in the prime sub uh because we're about to talk about uh the dating meta of being a World of Warcraft player

Brian Atlasso if you play World of Warcraft what that means for your dating prospects I World of Warcraft these girls are going to tell you if have a better shot with them if you play alliance versus horde

Brian Atlasyou know if you're a gnome Mage or gnome warlock like what your chances are um so drop us a follow guys drop us a prime sub if you have one we got by the way we don't run I

Brian Atlasturned off the ads I'm pretty sure on Twitch so uh I want to experiment this month see if you know how that how that goes but if you're watching the stream and you're not following drop us do me a

Brian Atlaslittle favor boys drop us a little follow in the chats yo stay safe thank you again for the raid man I really appreciate it uh I forgot what we were talking about uh we were talking about social deviancy oh I was going to do call to action okay call to action

Brian Atlasthere's any men watching if you have Instagram and you're following any women I guess like if it's like your sister you can stay stay following her uh your you can follow your sister

Alyssaand your mom that's it what about comedians what if they're interested in one specific woman and they're not just sing for random I still unfollow that sh you want them to be

Brian Atlasinterested Bri unfollow if you pull out your [ __ ] phone boys unfollow single no it's not look on Instagram if you're following any hot girls and somebody

Brian Atlasit's a red flag I'm not following red flag I follow I two three four five six yo Duren thank you for the gift to 10 Subs guys just unfollow all these IG

Skymodels and all that [ __ ] it's [ __ ] well that's not the majority of women though like the majority doesn't matter even if it's a Normy chick unfollower [ __ ] what if you like oh my God what you

Karengo to work with her and you want to see comedians or people who have the platform to you know progress entertainment that's not sexual if you're following Hillary Clinton you can

Karenstay why would you follow Hillary Clinton to kid because she keeps hot sauce in her purse that's why

Skyoh never mind she's not black I we'll just say that wow wait what that's left that was in response to like a video where yeah the hot sauce thing where she Wasing talking to black people oh she

Brian Atlaswas trying to get cool with them like just by saying I keep hot sauce about hers just to reiterate here kind of my objections to when it comes to dating women who are involved in sex work when it comes to only fans you become on a

Brian Atlaslong enough timeline you become very well versed and practiced in the art of lying and deception change your name change your age age lie about your relationship status you lie about

Brian Atlaseverything this starts to become habit typically if people start being becoming practiced in lying it starts to just you keep you know you just keep doing it I'm

Brian Atlashonest about my age and my relationship and all the other if if an untruth if that untruth brings you closer to

Brian Atlasfleecing the money out of the pockets of your targets you're going to lie mhm and so a lot of these only fans become very well practiced in this also some of them

Brian Atlasare involved in like romance scams they're literally scamming the dudes I'm not saying that's the case for you guys we talked about the typers we talked about the Chatters you'll lie about oh talk to me baby and then it's some

Brian Atlasdude that's like most of these most these of girls have a typer a chatter and it's a it's a dude you're like basically Force you're you're making these guys gay basically that's non so are you telling them to unfollow all the

Skywomen huh that's not you're making gay but that's very that's very traditional that's very like keep it keep it PG all the time unless you're intending to

Skymarry this chick wait what uh I don't know that's that's a very PG that's like a a very I don't know adolescent

Skyperspective to be like it's very innocent like what's innocent I have no idea what you're talking about innocent to like unfollow every woman that isn't your sister or your mom wait it's in innocent yeah it's innocent so wait are

Karenyou do you like it I'm a little confused yeah I mean it's innocence is good no what what do you what do you like better want you're saying that men unfollowing

SkyEvery Other Woman is an innocent act it's like a naivity it's it's it would be an innocent act but here say seeing as we have stay safe

Brian Atlaswho just joined us we have wait can you guys not be can you get I don't know what are you [ __ ] doing I'm sorry what are you telling her I can't say it I was telling her something that

Bobby LavenderI wish I could say but I can't say it because you said we can't say it well okay I was saying if never mind I won't whisper anymore I prise okay

Bobby Lavenderwhat were you can you tell me what it was Loosely about while you guys were talking about if a guy unfollows all women on social media I was going to say

Taviasay that would make him look pretty oh okay you know in that like not straight exactly like why is this guy following a bunch of dudes and no women

Brian Atlasbe concerning like why only dudes it's like the guys trying tot to virginity his holy state but how many women will complain about guys who are following a

Alyssabunch of random IG thoughts yeah if it's just random IG thoughts then yeah absolutely yeah anyone can be but you said normies too that's where the argument coming anyway bring it to World anything on social media it's not

Karenreally real like well I mean if if you're if you're an only fans model you can't have a problem with your guy following other women you're an only fans model yeah be a double standard exactly

Karenlike so if if you tell your guy if you're an only fans model and you're doing all kinds of horny girly [ __ ] on only fans you know and then you expect your dude to respect you and not follow other women you're delusional you're

Karendelusional to think that your guy is not going to follow other women think like even cares about that like why is my dudes following other girls because women are dumb and they do they get upset I've I've known plenty of only

Karenfans women who are like I can't believe he's following this girl that [ __ ] you are undressing in front of a bunch of men all over the world how dare you have that even remotely double standard that your guy can't do what you're already

Karendoing and you're promoting it and you're pushing it on them and you are manipulating and you are lying and you're deceiving you cuz not me my dude watches poor and I love it I'm not saying every

Brian Atlaswoman I'm not saying every but a majority of them I don't know and just the last thing I'm I'm kind of territorial so I don't want other men to be like

Tavialooking at my girl like that a lot of men are and that's I mean that's what mean a lot of guys look at a woman and mon automatically that's what monog is start thinking things if they're attracted to them you can't be an only

Karenfans model and then say you're a monogamist there's just no way you can't that's why I say monogamish you can't yeah you can't you can't you can't even represent the whole monogamy thing

Taviabecause of what you do because it is a double standard it's it's hypocritical it's hypoc it's hypocrisy mean if you're not sleeping with anybody else and you're not meeting up with anybody else in person you're sharing your body you're sharing your

Karenbody and these personal things that should be only reserved for the person that you're with or married to if you're married and you're an only model and you're sharing your body on the internet

Karenand I can pay to see your vagina hole you are not a monogamous woman I'm sorry you're showing your private parts to other people who are not your husband cuz when you take that vow when

Karenyou get married you're vowing to be for that other person and only for that other person unless you're polyamorous it's a completely different thing but if you I mean maybe if that's what you vow though I mean everybody you can vow different things let me ask let me ask

Karenyou a question you do you plan on being in a monogamous relationship at some point in your life yes okay are you going to do it before or after you leave only

TTS/DonationsF their aled meatball donated $200 would you guys quit of all making any kind of content if you were in a relationship exactly thank you Mr mle

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