2 RAGE QUITS?! 37 Year Old Wants 0.1% Man Who Earns $1M+/YEAR?! WILL NOT Settle?! | Dating Talk #208

Date: 2024-10-28

Duration: 7h 15m

Guests

MMegan (Houston)>

VVanessa (37, IT/Yoga)>

VVanessa (19, deli)>

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_04Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_07London(guest)

SPEAKER_08Megan(guest)

SPEAKER_09Vanessa(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kaye(guest)

SPEAKER_11Vanessa (2)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Allison(guest)

SPEAKER_13Kayn(guest)

SPEAKER_14Naomi Ryder(guest)

Key Moments

ControversyNaomi Ryder reveals she popped ~4 Plan B pills in one week and an estimated 20 in 2024

“I pop plan B's like candy... did four in a week... average week is like one... probably like 20 this year”

Key MomentVanessa (37) reveals she will only date men who earn $1M+/year and own $7M+ houses in LA

“I mean you have to be a millionaire just to pretty much live in LA so really multiple millionaires... if he doesn't own a house that's over $7 million I won't date him”

QuoteBrian runs the dating calculator — result shows Vanessa wants a 0.01% man (not even 1%)

“0.01 percent... that's not even close to 1%”

QuoteLondon tells Brian she rates herself 'broke my scale' — above a 10, off the charts

“I broke my scale... I'm off the charts”

ControversyLondon rates Andrew Wilson a '3' on the 1-10 scale, triggering a prolonged confrontation about honesty and delusion

“You're a three... you look like an English teacher... you're negative literally negative 2”

QuoteAndrew Wilson threatens to shut down his YouTube channel if Vanessa gets a diamond ring from a 0.1%er

“I will shut my YouTube channel down if you get a diamond ring from a 0.1 percenter and walk down the aisle”

OtherRAGE QUIT #1: London announces she is leaving (felt the show was 'disgusting', had her stuff in Vanessa's car)

“I'm going to leave in a little... I got to go right now... coming to y'all show was my first like thing considering putting myself out there and this was like kind of disgusting”

OtherRAGE QUIT #2: Vanessa (37) leaves with London (who drove her), completing the double rage quit referenced in the episode title

“London drove Vanessa; when London left, Vanessa also had to leave. Brian: 'tell her to come back otherwise you just got to get out of here'”

ControversyNaomi Ryder reveals she slept with a man, then his father (as revenge), then slept with the son again — panel is shocked

“I mean I [expletive] his dad and then he [expletive] me again right after... the son first, then dad because the son was acting up”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson systematically argues Naomi Ryder's sugar daddy arrangements constitute prostitution — the table broadly agrees

“You're sleeping with three men simultaneously... in exchange they're giving you lots of money... can you explain to me how that's not prostitution”

Key MomentKayn reveals she is in an age-gap relationship (19yo dating a 29-30yo man met on Tinder)

“Yes... 29 about to be 30... met online dating app... Tinder”

ControversyAndrew Wilson reveals he lost his virginity at age 13 to a 19-year-old woman — chat calls him 'a victim'

“13... [music/pause]... and the chick was 19 by the way”

Key MomentMegan reveals two of her ex-boyfriends came out as gay after dating her

“Two of them [came out as gay]... yes... two... sure is [a bad track record]”

OtherEnd-of-show body count round: Naomi Ryder estimates 300-500+, possibly over 1000 on-camera

“I lost count at like 19 so it's like over 200... over 300... probably [over 500]... it's like yeah Andrew agrees it's like a little over a thousand probably”

Topics Discussed

Introductions and Relationship Status Round

Guests introduce themselves with name, age, location, and occupation. Brian then goes around asking relationship status, how long single, longest relationship, and who broke up with whom. Notable: London's 8-year relationship with a man who went to prison multiple times; Naomi Ryder's adult film career and sugar daddy arrangements; Vanessa (37) reveals she requires a millionaire to date.

Birth Control, Plan B, and Sexual Health Round

TTS donation triggers a round asking who is on birth control. Most guests say no. Naomi Ryder reveals she 'pops Plan B like candy' — used ~4 in one week, estimates ~20 in 2024, lost count. Discussion of Plan B vs. birth control options. Naomi says she can't find a birth control that doesn't cause side effects.

Vanessa's $1M+ Man Requirements & Delusional Standards Debate

Vanessa (37) reveals she only dates men earning $500k-$1M+/year who own $7M+ houses in LA. Brian runs the 'dating calculator' tool showing this describes 0.01% of men. Andrew Wilson argues this is delusional given her age, competition from younger women, and what she brings to the table (massages, cooking, cleaning). London passionately defends Vanessa. Culminates in back-and-forth about whether Vanessa is 'delusional' for wanting a 0.1% man.

Self-Rating Round (1-10 Scale)

Brian asks all guests to rate their looks 1-10. Ratings: Kayn=9, Megan=6.5 (8.5 makeup/5-6 natural), London='broke my scale'/off charts, Kaye=6.5-7, Naomi='don't know'/7, Vanessa (37)=not given, Allison=6, Vanessa (19)=6, Brian=1% earner. London refuses to give a number, claims to be above the scale. Andrew says he's a 10. London rates Andrew as a '3' which triggers a prolonged confrontation about honesty and delusion.

London vs. Andrew Wilson Confrontation Over Beauty & Self-Perception

Extended confrontation between London (SPEAKER_07) and Andrew Wilson. London claims to be 'off the scale' beautiful (top tier). Andrew pushes back calling it delusion. London rates Andrew a '3.' Andrew comments on her extensions. The exchange escalates with personal insults. Andrew calls her 'full of shit' multiple times. London accuses Andrew of being a hater. Ends with London rage-quitting the show (~2:35) because she came with Vanessa (who drove) and also needed to leave.

Brian's Body Count / Hookup Speed vs. Low Body Count Paradox Debate

Kaye (SPEAKER_10) raises the 'Brian Paradox': Brian wants to sleep with women within 1-3 dates but also wants women with low body counts. Extended debate with Brian, Andrew, London, Kaye about whether women who sleep quickly are indicators of high body counts, whether women strategically become chaste after promiscuous pasts to attract better men, and whether Brian's standards are contradictory. Mock date role-play attempt. Brian explains his position on mismatched timelines. Andrew gives statistical context.

Naomi Ryder Sugar Daddy Prostitution Debate

Andrew Wilson systematically argues that Naomi Ryder's sugar daddy arrangements (sleeping with 3 older men who give her money/gifts) constitute prostitution by definition. Naomi repeatedly evades direct answers. Andrew asks: 'If they stopped giving you money would you stop sleeping with them?' Naomi says 'probably not.' Andrew deems this confirms prostitution. Other guests agree (show of hands). Brian says it's 'basically just coke.'

Red Flag Jobs Round

Super Chat question: biggest red flag job for men and women. Guest answers: Kayn=construction worker (AZ stereotype), Kaye=entertainment/podcast host or gynecologist, Naomi=no red flag jobs, Allison=sex worker or blue collar doing home visits, Vanessa 19=police officer (safety). Brian: flight attendant or travel nurse. Andrew: any social media influencer (worst), then flight attendant, travel nurse, hair stylist, HR, etc.

Naomi's Host Stories (Father/Son hookup)

In the show notes segment, Naomi is asked about her 'host stories.' She reveals that she once slept with a man, then slept with his father after the son was 'acting up,' and then the son wanted to sleep with her again after she slept with his dad — and she did. This happened ~1 year ago. Panel is shocked. Andrew asks 'who's better — the son?' Naomi says the son.

Marriage, Prenups, and Traditional Relationships Debate

Allison (SPEAKER_12) and Vanessa 19 (SPEAKER_11) discuss traditional gender roles and waiting for marriage. Extended debate on why men should get married (Allison argues for, Brian against). Andrew presents the prenup/M&M analogy: if someone offers you a potentially poisoned M&M you should get it tested. Allison argues prenups are planning for failure. Discussion of divorce statistics, women's role in divorce initiation, and whether love is a feeling vs. commitment.

Kayn's Age-Gap Relationship Discussion

Kayn (19) is in an age-gap relationship with a 29-30 year old man she met on Tinder. Brian and panel discuss the pros and cons of age-gap relationships. Kayn also discusses her previous 3-year relationship that ended because he was addicted to pornography.

Women's Suffrage Debate (Teased)

Kaye (SPEAKER_10) says she wants to debate women's right to vote. Brian agrees to save it for later in the show with Andrew moderating. Teased but not expanded in accessible chunks.

Megan: Two Exes Coming Out as Gay

Megan reveals that two of her ex-boyfriends came out as gay after dating her. Panel reacts with amusement and concern. Megan jokes she's changed her 'political affiliation' since then. Andrew asks if she worries about her husband. Megan says no.

Losing Virginity Ages Round

Going around the table: ages when each person lost their virginity. Kayn=15, Kaye=17, Allison=16, Naomi=18 ('15 if I could have sooner'), Vanessa 19=14, Megan not stated, Brian=15, Andrew=13 (the woman was 19, leading to 'you're a victim' jokes).

Body Count Final Round

End-of-show body count round. Naomi Ryder: lost count at 19, estimates over 300 (later pressured to confirm ~500, possibly 1000+). Allison: less than 15 (likely ~5-10). Others gave ranges. Brian: not disclosed. Andrew: not disclosed (won't say until Brian does).

Transcript

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Brian Atlasway she like runs around like she that was like an everyday thing yes in fact she used to walk nor but then I insisted that she scampered around you know

Allisonscampered yes so so I trained her exactly do you bring to a relationship that would compel a woman to to do that

Brian Atlasfor you I'm just curious yeah what do I what do I bring to a relationship well I other than sexual because that sexual

Brian Atlasyou're right my sexual prowess is unmatched um thank you for no that's not what I was saying hear I appreciate the

Brian Atlasendorsement I'm putting it on my resume thank you uh yes it is fantastic the sexual prowess in fact it's crazy though

Brian Atlasyou know what's unfair is like y'all can come like 10 times and you know multiple times and [ __ ] and I'm over here like

Kayeonce but I thought that's unfair I thought you were average what does that have to do with I don't know just you're sexual prowess but your

Brian Atlasaverage make to like skip that part of the conversation that's why I said that seems like we just what what does that have to do with your ability to make a woman

Kayeclimax I don't want to break it down for you Brian oh your boyfriend has a small dick is that what you're saying no I'm saying your average according to you

Naomi Ryderthat doesn't like the average man can't make a woman come or something I would say like wait they can do that you would say what go ahead sorry I

Kaynwould say that she has a point like you're saying 10 times that's like pretty over average yeah if you're like and and you say you're average able to make a girl do that if you're the one

Kayndirectly doing it you know what I mean yeah the logic doesn't really follow here so is what you were insinuating that you could you were insinuating that you could make a girl come if she has

Brian Atlasthe capacity not all women are multi-orgasmic like that of course just saying it's not fair that we get to yeah I'm not saying all women can come in like 10 times in a sexual encounter

Kayethat's not what I'm saying mhm well I think that what she was saying she was just saying that maybe men who are above average can consistently do that for a woman just

Brian Atlassaying it was that was is this like an attempt to dig here like I already said I was average like you bringing it up isn't like offensive to me I'm a little confused I don't think

Brian Atlasshe's trying to offend you that's all I'm trying to say what were you trying to do were you trying to make a funny thank you yeah wow that that was great thank you tell us another joke

Andrew Wilsonwhile you're at it you're like unnecessarily just kind of annoying but whoa whoa whoa wao whoo what do you mean by unnecessarily it's just derailing the

Allisonconversation to just whatever can we get can I get my question answered I'm actually what was your question so for a for you to you

Allisonknow she already does what she does and then you're like I want more Scamper whatever sure what is it that you provide that would compel her to do so H

Brian Atlassure I mean I can go into that uh well first off in terms of my ability to actually

Brian Atlasprovide since you use the word provide I'm a 1% I'm in the one percentile when it comes to earning capacity so if you're a woman and you're dating me you're never going to have to work

Brian Atlasanother day in your life so instead of you having to labor for the next 40 years I think that's a lot of value now explain what they're bringing to the

Allisontable well I no idea what you expect your I now what you said the providing financially that makes sense you know I

Allisonunderstand like as soon as he comes home from work you should be ready to like nurture and cater cuz he just labored for you I guess I was talking more of

Allisonlike cuz to a woman that maybe just me it would be like I'm more for like um mental providing like what kind of mental stability or emot stabil

Andrew Wilsonstability do you give that would just make me just do so here I can actually explain this very easily have you ever been in a long-term

Andrew Wilsonrelationship where You' slept in the same bed with a man yes have you ever had a bad dream that he was cheating on you and then took it up with him either the next morning or even woke him up

Allisonbecause you were so upset by this dream that you had I actually I honestly have never had a dream like that it was reversed roles

Andrew Wilsonhave you ever had a dream which upset you and then you required his attention the next day to discuss the upsetting nature of the

Andrew Wilsondream yes so you expect that a man will plate your rational nonsensical fears right okay interestingly enough here

Andrew Wilsonmost men have to deal with plating women's irrational nonsensical fears all the time right women do not have any expectation to Plate men's irrational

Andrew Wilsonnonsensical fear in fact they can say to them honey that's stupid that's dumb right they can say all of those things and that's completely socially fine to

Andrew Wilsondo to uh not do anything to Plate an irrational fear of a man however men nonstop all the time in almost every

Andrew Wilsonrelationship have to Plate IR rational non sensical stupid fears of women all the time so when you ask what are you going to do to make me feel secure well

Andrew Wilsonchances are pretty good that Brian like every other man on planet Earth has had to Plate irrational nonsensical or stupid fears that a woman has that are based on absolutely nothing other than

Andrew Wilsonchemicals shooting to her brain during her time of the month right wouldn't you say that that's valid honestly yeah that makes sense

Allisonit's like ifone like one of my best friends he like if he comes to me something I'll give him like a logical response but I guess if I was answering a woman but you

Andrew Wilsondon't want no logical response you want no logical response at all you want your irrational stupid ass fear to be plated with oh honey it's fine oh sweetheart

Andrew Wilsonit's okay I don't worry here take this big hug I'm here for you oh it's great oh it's okay haah you know that's what you want right I'm curious would a man

Andrew Wilsonactually want a woman to do that like would that no no because they're not they don't have insane irrational fears and insane irrational nonsense they don't have that so since they don't have

Andrew Wilsonthat of course they don't want somebody to Plate their irrational nonsensical fear like here here's a really easy example how many women do you know have Arachnophobia I'm guilty how many I'm

Andrew Wilsonguilty you're guilty yeah you know what I do when I see a spider right especially like a big ugly one I take my bare hand and just smash it right there on the

Andrew Wilsonspot I don't even think anything of it okay just bam Dead Walk off right meanwhile oh my

Andrew Wilsongod that's irration literally an irrational fear right you are hundreds of times this thing's weight right there

Andrew Wilsonis no possible way it could ever defend itself against you and yet you have an irrational fear that a man needs to plate right this is by the way this is

Andrew Wilsonmen's experience over and over and over and over and over and over and over that they deal with all of these irrational fears that they have to plate so when women say kind of these asinine nonsensical things like well what are

Andrew Wilsonyou going to do to make me feel emotionally secure it's like oh come on come on what doesn't a man do to make make women feel emotionally secure every irrational nonsensical crazy ass thing

Andrew Wilsonthat pops into their brain just due to chemical imbalances they could have seven days out of the month they're plating all the time

TTS/DonationsI chevan donated $69 thank you as an agnostic WCE barring nihilism and subjecting myself to The Human Experience secular

Andrew Wilsonmarriage is still cond Ive to lifelong pair bonding a grand gesture of love from the man to the woman yeah what does the man get oh well no actually just

Andrew Wilsongranted granting it's even easier sure and how is that made better by the state being involved in it and his answer is well it's not so

Andrew Wilsonwhy not just declare yourselves married and be done with it makes no

Brian Atlassense we're talking about the bow video I think we need to show B video 2.0 the girls will like it maybe I don't know

Brian AtlasAndrew doesn't like it I like the first part go

Brian Atlasahead all right so I I think this is great the first part of this anyways you know that's wonderful

Brian Atlasyou know I'm putting on the slipper oh what the wait oh no oh no what the [ __ ] dude the

Brian Atlasfirst part's good the end part there not not so much but um o Andrew Andrew went uh Sith mode

Allisondark mode um looks like a mutual exchange of servitude I want to know I wonder which part is actually is it he doesn't like

Andrew Wilsonthe dishwashing part or the the Bowing part Andrew the part where the guy goes and does no no no no no no I don't care if that guy goes and does [ __ ] dishes when he gets home right I don't give a

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] about any of that I care that he put on camera that he's a submissive [ __ ] that's what I care about the idea here is oh no I submit to it's mutual submission that's the part that I object

Andrew Wilsonto okay yeah uh let's see here here we had to do uh oh okay like really H honestly like just think about it from even from your guys's perspective right if your

Andrew Wilsondude was such a [ __ ] he was like yeah I'm going to make a video with you where you can put an apron on me and demasculate me and make me look like a little so that we have mutual submit come on right you'd be like get the [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonaway from me right you'd be get the [ __ ] away from me wouldn't you am I way off here it's kind of embarrassing to the girl yeah a little bit it's a cringe

Andrew Wilsonright it's cringe I mean it's cuz you want your man to preface like a strong identity you want his [ __ ] ass to put

Andrew Wilsonon an apron and go do the dishes on video so that he can be part of women's egalitarian come on you guys you would look at that and be like get away from me dude what's wrong with you that's the

Brian Atlastruth getting into the final notes here and then we have more for you uh Allison you said your first ever relationship was set up by girls who posed as your friends but turned out to be your biggest

Brian Atlashaters the man was a known cheater and your entire grade level helped him get away with it and knew about it through the entire one-year

Allisonrelationship um this was in grade school but I entered Public School in seventh grade and a lot Grade School junior high

Allisonjunior high so you were seventh seventh grade yes it goes into high school but it starts there and so you how old were you

Allison12 13 so you lost your virginity at 12 or 13 no no no it was

Brian Atlaslater oh towards High School you well you said it was about it through the entire one-year relationship come to find out he only dated me to take my

Allisonvirginity relationship didn't start till later okay but you asked about the girls so I was going to sure sure start there

Allisonwell I I came in as a Christian school girl innocent so the girls who went to church with me on the bus route which is like transportation for kids who don't

Allisonhave it um they kind of like set me up for failure plotted on me to be my friends I guess convinced me to get with this guy

Andrew Wilsonknew of his record of cheating and hit it I am really confused by this story I'm sorry do you mind if we back up just briefly okay so there's this guy

Andrew Wilsonthat hang on hang on just really briefly I just have one quick quick question um did you say it was on a bus route which is transportation for kids who don't

Allisonhave transportation to church the girls I grew up with them in church that's how I knew them so like I grew up around them and then

Brian Atlaseventually went to public school with them sorry that was like a okay the center for kids who can't read good the Derek seander Center for kids who don't read good sorry go ahead go

Allisonahead um anyways um they convinced me to try to get in a relationship with this guy and I was super innocent didn't really know much

Allisonkind of trusted these girls um he dated me to lose his virginity because the girls he wanted to get with wouldn't sleep with a virgin so

Allisonthat was his whole reason for getting with me and then his gotcha was I was the innocent girl nobody could have and

Allisonwhen the losing of The Virginity took place and you were a virgin at the time yes and the my entire grade level knew about it like a whole great level of

Allisonpeople and they collectively helped him hide it from me cuz everybody kind of laughed at me for being the Christian girl so it was like

Allisoneverybody's big joke on me to like lead me into making that mistake and I was innocent never been

Andrew Wilsonexposed to it so I fell to the influence and yeah wait wait wait wait what do you mean never been exposed to it you were raed you were raised in a Christian household your parents never

Allisontold you not to have sex yeah they did um well yes but I mean like the influence of other people

Andrew WilsonI guess outside of a faithful background so you bowed to peer pressure right yes yeah but that's not a failing it's not a failing of your parents right it's a

Brian Atlasfailing of you yeah yeah yeah wait hold on are you actually conceding that it's a failing on your part because you're doing a lot of blame shifting to it was

Allisonthe other students it was the boyfriend well no I was I'm saying that was the motive for the other people but I was the one well do you I'm curious though

Brian Atlasbecause I mean this is like a grand seventh grade conspiracy here do you have any evidence for it goes into freshman year of high school I it started like how big was the class cuz

Brian Atlasyou said it was the entire class I would say like how big was the class hundreds of kids 200 two so 200 kids can seven gr entire

Brian Atlasbut a good majority because multiple okay 100 plus seventh graders conspired to have you lose your virginity freshman fresh what do you mean I met him in seventh grade okay you met him in

Brian Atlasseventh grade you were freshman in high school 100 freshmen in high school conspired to have majority yeah it was majority girls because as soon as it like

Allisonhappened and then I figured out he was cheating everybody kind of came forward and admitted to it admitted to what what they did like how they like schemed it what did they scheme they I was the

Allisoninnocent Christian girl and they all made fun of me for it so they thought it'd be funny to kind of like set me up with this guy how long did you date him

Allisonfor uh it was I would say like cons consistently for a year and and it wasn't until like right up to to the end like at the

Andrew Wilsonend that we had sex you know what I hate the most about homeschooling weirdos is that their kids aren't properly socialized in

Allisonpublic school if only they were properly socialized like you were um that's that's why that's my that's why I'm such an advocate against homeschooling it's because of the socialization it was my

Allisonfault I never went to my parents for advice I didn't have a good relationship with my parents at that age so I didn't feel like I could go to them about it

Allisonand same thing with my siblings so I kind of like tried to find family and my

Allisonfriends and that led me to fall to bad influences or bow to and uh how old were

Brian Atlasyou so were you still a freshman when you guys ended up having sex yes okay so you were like 14 15 yes 14 yes

Allisonokay um and he was also in on the conspiracy yes cuz he wanted to lose

Allisonit he was a Virg too yes because the girls were that he wanted were hos and they wouldn't take it from they wouldn't take an innocent boy's virginity because they didn't want him emotionally

Brian Atlasattached it was and the crazy part is I know all this because everyone just kind of like told me as like a haha to me I don't get that component of of it though because if he was

Brian Atlasso uh immoral and his motivation was to sleep with these [ __ ] women in high school uh why wouldn't he just lie to them and say

Brian Atlashe's not a virgin uh some they knew from his friends I guess I never dug that de well

Brian Atlasyeah I'm sure but like he lied to you but he wouldn't lie to the other wom he lied to me

Allisonabout huh lied to me about what his intentions from what it sounds like right yeah he he hid his intentions well uh if you want to go that deep into it

Allisonthey was all like a friend group and his friends got play and he didn't so there was like a joke and they knew the girls and he wanted in on it but the girls

Allisonknew so okay um it was just it was a weird I don't know it was just a weird occurrence and like I know that

Brian Atlasif like if this it was just a you asked for history so I gave you some uh you said your first ever non-physically intimate relationship was also a year and he

Brian Atlasbroke up with you by showing up to school covered in oh hickeys yeah after you got him a plethora of gifts for Christmas okay uh your third relationship never made it to

Brian Atlasthe official dating title and you were strong along the whole time and you finally cut off after he disappeared in amus amusement park while out with family and we couldn't find him until the end of the day where he was waiting at the car my most recent relationship

Allisonwas toxic how was it toxic um uh I had never come across a narcissist

Allisonbefore okay and I know you're going to ask how was he I actually had to like research the traits of a narcissist so so you diagnosed him I kind of was like

Andrew WilsonI didn't know what was wrong with him like like so you diagnosed him I guess you could I'll go I'll have to well okay well I don't know if I guess that I would just like to know did a

Brian Atlasprofessional psychologist with a degree no diagnose him or did you diagnose him I guess you had narcissistic traits okay a couple questions here really quick and

Allisonthen Andrew I'll pass it off to you um how old were you when you dated him this is my recent one okay and you're 20

Brian Atlasright right so we started dating 19 19 okay so you said it lasted about a year uh you later discovered he was a narcissist and he verbally abused you

Brian Atlasmanipulated you and sexually manipulated you to do things you didn't want to do and he knew he was doing it too and admitted to it I'd like to just go over

Brian Atlasthose one by one you said he verbally abused you um what what did he do that was verbally abusive um well he knew a

Allisonlot of uh I would say very personal things and when he was angry it he would just like throw throw it all in my face

Allisonor he beray me and cussed me out and um say a lot of colorful things that I really don't feel like repeating sure

Allisonbut it was like insulting to not just me but like other people like he attack other people pretty much do anything he could to make me feel lesser of a person and you were with him for how long um

Brian Atlasabout a year okay and then how soon into the relationship was he verbally abusive

AllisonI would say say the first two 3 months so the first month second month

Brian Atlasaround the third third month okay um and not excusing his conduct but were you also verbally abusive back to

Allisonhim sadly I was insanely nice to him like I've never tried harder to be good to someone cuz this is the point in life where I was like I knew what kind of relationship I

Allisonwas looking for and I was trying to treat a man as such and I got taken advantage of and he also admitted that

Allisonyeah you were insanely nice like I'd never met someone who was so nice to me in a relationship like even while he was screaming in my face I would just tell him like it's okay calm down like try to

Brian Atlaslike deescalate and be really soft with him sure you said he manipulated you uh how did he manipulate you

Allisonum well at one point I was living with him and every time I would try to leave there wasn't

Brian Atlasum it was you would try to I see it in your notes he would try to unive himself to

Allisonkeep you around right because and like uh like I actually get to the point of and

Brian Atlasme not being able to stop it like it was very traumatizing you said that the last time I saw him he tried throwing himself out of your car on the freeway because he didn't want to go home and then

Brian Atlasturned your car off and put it in neutral on the freeway and you almost hit a semi TR yeah um it was the last day I ever saw him I was going to take him home because he pulled some crazy

Allisonstuff the day before and I was already getting trying to leave him I was like you need to get it together or I'm leaving and I gave him a lot too many chances and then he said pull over I

Allisonwant to talk and usually that means he just wants to kind of like somehow trap me back in like mentally pull me back into staying with him and I said no kept

Allisontrying to drive told him stop talking to me and then eventually he said if you don't pull over I'm going to jump out the car because he said I was going too fast and was moving traffic I couldn't

Allisonswerve my car is a V4 engine it really can't go that fast um he claims I was going 120 I don't even know how my enine could get that fast but it's I do have to move

Allisonthings along pretty much yeah he tried to throw himself out and when he couldn't like it was all just bluffing and I wouldn't put over the only thing he needed to do was to turn

Allisonmy car off and we almost hit a semi you so it was stopped on the freeway it was rolling in neutral but I couldn't turn my car back on and my brakes locked so I

Brian Atlashad to you almost had an accident okay uh you said he harbored your stuff for 3 months after that and continually flooded your voicemail box what do you mean harbored your stuff for three months you know how like when people

Brian Atlasbreak up they return things I oh like he kept your stuff your physical items yeah and like some valuable stuff personal stuff yeah all right um manipulated you

Brian Atlashe you said he sexually manipulated you to do things you didn't want to do and he knew he was doing it too and admitted

Allisonto it um what so what does that mean um well I felt like I made the

Allisonwrong choice of doing things sooner than I had ever done before and I realized like it seems like that's all he wants so I was like okay I was like if we're

Allisongoing to get married then it's not going to hurt for us to just wait till then it's like I feel like we have more to work on outside of this and this seems to be the main focus and he would make me feel like if

AllisonI didn't let him or we didn't do this or didn't do that that I was depriving him or making him feel like less of a man stuff like that and I would tell him

Brian Atlaslike how it make me feel like like is this all you want like is that what's so important to you and it was always just like deflecting and runarounds well let if I might ask a couple clarifying

Brian Atlasquestions here uh so how soon into dating did you guys have sex around the third month third month

Brian Atlasokay um and it was consensual yes okay and then you guys continued to have consensual sex for a period of time yeah

Allisonbut then you decided you wanted to no longer have sex right okay well we had planned to get married so it was like as of right now we need to like work on

Allisonsome things and this is kind of like a blockade cuz it was always that was like his answer to fixing things and I was like this is avoiding what's the problem like we need to sit and talk kind of

Allisonthing like making him face his emotions I guess you could say cuz if we were going to get married I was like I don't want to have these problems and to me was like if I take that off the table it

Allisonallows me to think more clearly about what's going on cuz once I took that off the table I started to see through like all the things he was doing and the way he was manipulating me and like playing

Brian Atlasmy emotions I guess um okay and so are you claiming that cuz you said he sexually manipulated you like I didn't I

Brian Atlasdidn't want to so are you alleging that it was non-consensual um it was more like I

Brian Atlasguiltful did it cuz I just like felt bad okay like I did it for him not me and I felt like I but I mean you the

Allisonhistory of your relationship was you happily engaged in consensual sex initially right and I um when me and him met I was living a completely different

Allisonlifestyle um I had gotten really far from God so I was doing a lot of I was living in a way that was very shameful and he also being saved it was

Allisonkind of like I thought you know we're going to get our lives right together I was lied to mhm and the closer I tried to get to God the further

AllisonI got from him so it was like at the start of a relationship I was on the way working my way towards a more faithful lifestyle and he

Allisonconvinced me that he was but as soon as I started making the decisions to do so it kind of tore us apart so

Brian Atlasum I guess just like why I mean why stay in the

Brian Atlasrelationship for as long as I did well I mean he wanted to be in a sexual relationship you

Allisondidn't uh I mean it well that that's where the manipulating came in it was he told me he wanted all the same things that he was okay with it and this that

Allisonand the other and then there was like the kind of like continu like not continuous but like it got to a point where he kept trying to like guilt CHP

Allisonme into doing things but like he would tell me he agrees with the steps that I'm taking and so it was like all a bunch of words but his actions were completely polar

Allisonopposite okay um and I was convinced that it was more like every small problem that arise would every time I try to address

Allisonit just a new one would come in so I was never actually able to like say like like stop it was like a domino effect I guess you could call it

Allisonof just a bunch of problems continually arising and then I finally was done is that why you're celibate now I

Allisonwanted to be celibate And he supposedly respected it until you know his real intentions were exposed so Oh I thought you said you were currently Cate for

Allisonlike 2 years uh not two years I said about a year cuz I I broke up with him in I stopped in November I feel like it's and I broke up

Allisonwith him in January it's common for uh people to lie about their intentions with dating and all that well and now how I see it's like it's not a guy's

Allisonfault it's just how they're wired but once you have that sexual interaction it's like now they kind of see you on a different level they're not looking at

Allisonyou just emotionally on an emotional level now it's emotional and sexual and sometimes it can skew their perception of you so it's like if if you really

Allisonlove me then if you really love me then you'll like me and then you know if you want to marry me this sex comes with marriage so you'd be willing to go that far I feel like it is their fault though

Brian Atlaslike why would they have to lie about their intentions well I mean regardless not about the intentions about but there's a difference between lying and then circumstances no I'm talking about sex

Allisontainting a man's view of a woman like say like say you look at a woman sexually like you already have precepts of what kind of woman she is that's kind of justifying like sexual

Naomi Ryderassault to an aggree wait what I don't know it's like if you're saying that they can't help it it's just the way they're wired then no about the fact

Allisonthat if they have sex with you it taints their view of you it's just in their nature like say if a woman's dressed a

Allisoncertain way they're going to have a precept of what kind of woman she could be cuz they're visually pleased and sexually pleased that's why men that's

Brian Atlaswhy men can have sex with women without the emotional attachment oh you're saying that there was I'm just move it on um you said you

Brian Atlasdisagree with not circumcising babies that's a position I hold I'm against circumcision we can have a brief back and forth on that what so what's your position um mine's a little bit more

Allisonfrom a faithful point of view but it's also like healthwise like I know that there's a lot of negative health problems that come from being uncircumcised there's a lot of negative

Allisonhealth problems that can come from being circumcised if done incorrectly sure but it's like I and women also can

Allisonface those repercussions of not C being circumcised like if if it's not taken care of properly and you're coming at

Andrew Wilsonthis from a faith angle let me ask you a question would you think that it would be okay if A woman decided that her

Andrew Wilsonchild should be a girl instead of a boy that she had a medical procedure done which removed the child's penis and was

Allisonthen sewed into a vagina obviously not why because you're mutilating the body past oh I mean I

Andrew Wilsonguess I could see the you're mutilating the body are you right but so what's the justification for genital m mutilation here in this

Allisoncasee I mean I feel like a for skin versus your reproductive organs is a little like your entire system being turned inside out I mean mutilation is

Andrew Wilsonmutilation right would it be okay to tattoo a baby I mean that's a pretty crazy no wait it's more crazy to tattoo a baby

Andrew Wilsonthan it is to cut off permanently part of their penis

Allisonthe I mean it's I haven't gotten that deep into all the biology of it but I know that

Andrew Wilsonit's why would it be unacceptable to tattoo give a baby a tattoo but not cut off part of their penis can you explain that to me why would one be okay and the

Andrew Wilsonother one's not okay like so if a person said for religious purposes I tattoo babies that's what I do my religion

Andrew Wilsonrequires me to tattoo them when they're born would you say that that was okay or not okay I mean from my moral standard no

Andrew Wilsonthat wouldn't be okay why because they're a baby oh so and they can't consent to that right I I get where you're going with that yeah so why

Andrew Wilsonwould it be okay then to cut off a portion of a baby's penis the only answer I have for you is the Bible says so okay but the law was fulfilled

Andrew Wilsonthere's no requirement anymore to circumcise babies it's not a requirement it's not necessary honestly I would have to do more studying on that so I can't I don't

Brian Atlashave much of a rebuttle for you well I'll move it I'll move it on um but uh I am against circumcision um I mean some of these Health

Brian Atlasclaims there's many uh Advanced countries that don't participate in this practice they seem to do

Brian Atlasfine uh the men do fine the women do fine with it doesn't seem like it's necessary there's PL there's enough botched circumcisions where I think it

Brian Atlason that basis alone uh I think it'd be warranted to just completely do away with the practice because can I can I just ask one last followup I was thinking about I wanted to ask you if you think that circumcision is a

Andrew Wilsonrequirement for Christianity and many do okay if a man converts to Christianity who's uncircumcised should they get circumcised

Andrew Wilsonthen I feel like that would be a personal judgment oh wait a second so when they can decide then they get to

Andrew Wilsonmake the decision but before they can decide you get to make the decision assume that they should but it's not a lot of people would be willing to not a lot well that's really weird so

Andrew Wilsonintuitively you think that most adult men would rather not have their penises mutilated if they could avoid it but for some reason you think that babies don't mind so much well no I mean specifically specifically because of recovery time

Andrew Wilsonfor babies it's a lot quicker for grown men it's a lot longer yeah but I mean wouldn't that just show their commitment to their faith even more um sure yeah so would you prescribe then that your

Allisonhusband if he was uncircumcised go and have his for skin cut off that honestly I don't see I would hope my husband is circumcised because that would be a very but I mean if you

Andrew Wilsonfell in love with him it's not a sin to be uncircumcised wait aren't you waiting until marriage right but that's a you could ask that question I you could ask

Kaynit but should you is it like morally okay to ask that since it's like sexual just like it's morally okay for them to ask me my body count

Brian Atlasyeah wait that's the deal breaker is if he's circumcised or [Music] not would you date a guy who I pre I'd prefer it not honestly why why would that matter to a Pious Christian woman

Andrew Wilsonwho's waiting besides you can just tell him to go get it circumcised right show his faith in commitment hey if he's willing to wait just to be clear wait did you say that you thought the Bowing thing was

Brian Atlasweird um I mean I prefer not to have to but I didn't you prefer not to have so just to be clear prefer not to do a totally

Brian Atlasbenign butless bow but you want your partner if he's an adult male to consider getting a circumcision if he didn't have one in his childhood well I

Brian Atlasprefer not to but I didn't oppose to it you I didn't oppose didn't oppose what the bow I didn't say no they want you as a

Brian Atlasman as an adult to mutilate your own penis but the bow too much I didn't say too much too much too

Andrew Wilsonmuch I just said it was odd but I didn't say no odd to do you think a person who doesn't get their children circumcised and they're a Christian is a bad

AllisonChristian like I said I would have to do more studying on that I'm not very well versed like I on that specifically it seems like a pretty stun position when

Andrew Wilsonyou say because the Bible says so right so then that's a strong position the Bible says so therefore mutilate the baby's penis it talks about circumcising the baby yeah would you say

Andrew Wilsonthat a parent then who refused to mutilate their child's penis would be a bad

Andrew WilsonChristian uh no cuz no okay it's I'm not the one to make the Judgment call I I mean I mean I could have I mean if a person said that they were a

Andrew WilsonChristian and worshiped Satan would you say they were a bad Christian then they wouldn't be a Christian right exactly so you can make judgments on what is a Christian what is not a Christian what which things to follow which things not

Andrew Wilsonto follow so are you a bad Christian if you don't have a doctor cut off a chunk of your son's penis

Allisonthe question is I mean the my I honestly no cuz it's like you get people salvation is what makes you a Christian there's a lot of

Andrew Wilsonthat's right not your having aunk cut off of it yeah not everyone decides to live by everything in the Bible so yeah so then final question then do you think that people who have uncircumcised

Andrew Wilsonpenises who did not cut off chunks of their child's penis do you think that those children can get to heaven still yeah salvation gets you to heaven yeah so then it doesn't require any form of

Andrew Wilsongenital mutilation at all yeah it doesn't well then why the [ __ ] would you be for

Vanessa (2)circumcision like I said I'll have to do more research on that I don't have a very good rebuttal for you I think there was like a story in the Bible about it though in the New Testament where there was a bunch of people in the church or

Vanessa (2)the Jews specifically cuz they always had to get done because it's was part of the law that they were doing it and saying that the Gentiles also had to do it to be Christians and Paul said that

Andrew Wilsonthey didn't if I I don't I'm not like 100% sure about that but I'm pretty the question is always simple right and it's very simple can a person achieve

Andrew Wilsonsalvation absent circumcision the absent if and is there any extra thing that they have to do to achieve salvation absent circumcision if the answer is no

Andrew Wilsonknow they can achieve salvation without doing anything extra just like everybody else then there's no justification for circumcision it's that simple well like from my perspective as

Vanessa (2)just like as a woman I'm leaving it to my husband to decide what he wants to do with our sons and from talking to my boyfriend who I plan to marry God willing he said that he would want to do

Andrew Wilsonthat so that's my stance is yeah we will do that because that's what he wants yeah but but that makes no sense right like like think about this before before

Andrew Wilsonyou think about cutting a chunk off your kids's penis okay let me ask you this question directly okay one Christian to another is your son salvation going to be

Andrew Wilsonaffected at all by you not cutting off a chunk of his penis no it's not going to be then why the [ __ ] would you cut off a chunk of his penis I don't know I I'm not the one making the decision

Andrew Wilsonyou're going to let your husband cut off a chunk of his penis even though it's not going to affect his salvation at all if that's what he wants I mean personally that's your kid you get a let cut off a Chuck of the Kid Pen too and

Vanessa (2)he's the father and he knows from a personal perspective what it's like so if he's saying it's okay then I think it's

Brian Atlas[Music] okay okay um yeah good talk I guess on the circumcision

Brian Atlasthing uh but uh wait question perfect guy but he's uncut deal

Allisonbreaker no not a deal breaker I have been with uncut so it's just a preference oh okay all right okay and

Brian Atlasthen I think your final note back to you Kaylee so you said I don't agree that women shouldn't have the right to vote because of the draft you believe the

Brian Atlasdraft is ages 18 to 30 and you definitely think men over the age of 30 should have the right to vote even if they're no longer in the age frame for the draft hope that makes

Brian Atlassense yeah okay so uh I think this is a debate that you're going to have with Andrew on this

Kayeso um I'm preparing myself to lose but I'm readying myself for you to

Kayewin um I guess okay so Andrew then what is your I mean is your main point that women shouldn't be able to vote because they are not eligible for the draft or

Andrew Wilsonlike they do not have to be signed up no my argument is very simple that if women can vote but women cannot use the mechanisms of

Andrew Wilsonforce against the enemies of the United States and only men can then men can vote to send or women can vote to send men to war and since the domain of war is

Andrew Wilsonalways going to be men if women have the power to send them to fight Wars that means that they can send them to fight Wars on their

Andrew Wilsonbehalf uh and that is a great uh uh I would say immoral uh position to take that you can have

Andrew Wilsonone Elite Group which does not have to fight Wars send another non- Elite group to fight them on their behalf yeah if for instance we were to reverse this and I were to ask you from

Andrew Wilsona racial lens if whites could vote to send black people to war but then themselves never had to fight ins said war would you consider that to be moral

Kayeno but why would it be moral for women to be able to vote to do this well well I mean because I think like if a 75-year-old man I think he should be able to have the right to vote but you

Andrew Wilsonknow he's not going to be a 75-year-old man can be drafted to go to war but he's not going to be a woman

Kayecannot do 75 year olds get drafted to war though does that actually happen they could be well whether whether it has happened or not the potential is

Andrew Wilsonthere for it to happen the potential is not there for it to happen to you

Andrew WilsonI guess I didn't realize that there was the potential that a 75y old yeah you're sign up for Selective Service when you're 18 years old and if the need is great enough the United States can call

Andrew Wilsonon you regardless of your age if you're a man they cannot do this for women so since this is true that means that women could vote in such a way as to send all

Andrew Wilsonof the population and draft the population of men to send them to war on their behalf have if we were to look at this through any other lens racial socioeconomic uh any other lens you

Kayewould say it's immoral but for some reason women won't say it's immoral for them to be able to have that power to do to men specifically yeah I mean the whole basis

Andrew Wilsonof my argument was just that I didn't realize that 75y olds could get um drafted or selected and so yeah they well right now right now that may not be the case but they can extend it they can

Andrew Wilsonextend it wherever they want and they can lower it they can lower the draft age to 15 in fact in World War II uh and World War I when the draft came around

Andrew Wilsonthere was plenty of 15 16 year olds who signed up for the draft okay they can lower it to whatever age they need for fighting age men and they can raise it to whatever age they need for fighting age men shortly after 9/11 happened in

Andrew Wilsonfact um when there was a war going on in the Middle East they raised the enlistment age for who they would take up I believe to 40 45 years old the potential is always there in other words

Andrew Wilsonfor men but it's not there for women also and since that is the case why do you get to vote to send them to war why do you get to do that like why do women get to have that exclusive privilege I

Kayedon't understand that no and I understand your point but also there are a lot of men who are not eligible to be drafted because I don't know they don't have a kidney or um they're color blind

Andrew Wilsonor something like that women would also if the need is great enough like it is in Ukraine or it is in other places right now okay if the need is great enough they will lower the standard to

Andrew Wilsonbring the men in they don't care so when you say oh he's not eligible he's eligible to peel [ __ ] potatoes he's eligible to do this he's eligible to do that but if we're looking at it from a collective basis okay there's a lot of

Andrew Wilsonwomen who can't vote either because they're in comas right you would agree that that's true but so what that has nothing to do with the fact that women as a collective can vote to send men to

Andrew Wilsonwar it's the greatest Injustice of our time it's the greatest social injustice of our time and nobody even thinks about it women take it for granted they don't

Brian Atlaseven care does anybody else have something well I just wanted to add to this point you said do these older men they get drafted we actually have some historical

Brian Atlasuh examples of this happening so in World War II uh it was called the vks storm so uh Nazi Germany uh it it was at the very ends of the war Germans were desperate so um

Brian Atlasthey conscripted males between the ages of 16 and 60 uh who were not already serving in the military in some capacity um so

Brian Atlas16-year-olds all the way up to 60y olds uh they were obviously very desperate they needed the Manpower and uh so yeah when it's necessary when it's NE

Andrew Wilsonnecessary men will be called Always to Warfare never women because and here's the greatest Injustice right because the descriptive truth is that women can't do

Andrew Wilsonit they can't they can offer some limited support rules but they can't fight in Frontline combat they can't and the very first thing the enemy would do if women were fighting in Frontline

Andrew Wilsoncombat is they would sa them in order to demoralize your military that's the very first thing they would do and they would run propaganda 24 hours a day saying we're impregnating your women right now

Andrew Wilsonand sending them home with our bastard children that's what they would do if you allowed women in Frontline combat situations our government knows it they don't want to say it because it hurts women's feelings but that's the truth

Andrew Wilsonthat's the very first thing they would do 24-hour Round the Clock they would be rounding up every female Soldier they could find they would be impregnating them and sending them home pregnant to demoralize the enemy our government knows it every government knows it

Andrew Wilsonthat's why women are not suited for Frontline combat they never will be so ultimately what I'm going to say to you is is that women having the right to vote can send men in their stead to fight their Wars and you could never

Kayegive me a different demographic of people where that would be okay with ever do you have more or well I mean I

Kayeguess since you took away my my main point here then I can't really debate that anymore okay I me Andrew me and Andrew disagree

Brian Atlason this a little bit you know I think women should be able to vote well so then why do you think that women should be able to vote ah but see I take the I'm a I'm the egalitarian feminist here

Andrew WilsonI think women should be drafted okay that's the tradeoff right yeah he psychopath but here's here's why Brian I think Brian is wrong on this okay I understand his position many many men

Andrew Wilsontake such a position the reason that he's wrong on this is because if if we allow women into the draft okay even if they are drafted they'll never be put in Frontline combat for the reasons I already stated so it still wouldn't be

Andrew Wilsonfair anyway they would be [ __ ] pay clerks they're not going to be walking into minefields they're not going to be in Frontline combat shooting at the enemy while the enemy is shooting back right that's an extreme Rarity now

Andrew Wilsonalmost no women have ever died in combat ever in the United States it's almost never happened it's very very very rare very few of them have whereas hundreds of thousands men have died on behalf of

Andrew Wilsonthe nation um because women aren't equipped for the reasons that I stated the enemy will round them up and send them home pregnant to

Andrew Wilsondemoralize you and they man the Japanese even had that as part of their battle strategy for the Chinese to go in and impregnate as many of their women as

Andrew Wilsonthey could in order to demoralize the Chinese they literally called it the r wording of Nan King that was their entire battle plan and it worked so it's like no this is an insane position

Andrew WilsonBrian's wrong on this too it's just an insane position I want a ready-made force of savage brutal men whose entire job is to kill the enemy with extreme prejudice that's what that's what I want to

Brian Atlassee but the thing is Andrew is the 19th Amendment is never going to be repealed uh we have to be pra we have to be pragmatic and live in reality here

Brian Atlasit's not not going to be repealed uh women's voting is here to stay so given that Paradigm it could be if you made an amendment that women had to

Andrew Wilsonfight then the same capacity that men did in war women themselves would demand the 19th Amendment be repealed yeah but that wouldn't happen either is the thing

Andrew Wilsonit can that can happen the draft board itself is now negotiating whether or not to draft women right the push for whether or women uh even when they're

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