2 RAGE QUITS?! 37 Year Old Wants 0.1% Man Who Earns $1M+/YEAR?! WILL NOT Settle?! | Dating Talk #208

Date: 2024-10-28
Duration: 7h 15m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_04Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07London(guest)
SPEAKER_08Megan(guest)
SPEAKER_09Vanessa(guest)
SPEAKER_10Kaye(guest)
SPEAKER_11Vanessa (2)(guest)
SPEAKER_12Allison(guest)
SPEAKER_13Kayn(guest)
SPEAKER_14Naomi Ryder(guest)

Key Moments

00:26:44
ControversyNaomi Ryder reveals she popped ~4 Plan B pills in one week and an estimated 20 in 2024

I pop plan B's like candy... did four in a week... average week is like one... probably like 20 this year

00:29:15
Key MomentVanessa (37) reveals she will only date men who earn $1M+/year and own $7M+ houses in LA

I mean you have to be a millionaire just to pretty much live in LA so really multiple millionaires... if he doesn't own a house that's over $7 million I won't date him

00:36:11
QuoteBrian runs the dating calculator — result shows Vanessa wants a 0.01% man (not even 1%)

0.01 percent... that's not even close to 1%

01:03:00
QuoteLondon tells Brian she rates herself 'broke my scale' — above a 10, off the charts

I broke my scale... I'm off the charts

01:12:30
ControversyLondon rates Andrew Wilson a '3' on the 1-10 scale, triggering a prolonged confrontation about honesty and delusion

You're a three... you look like an English teacher... you're negative literally negative 2

01:14:55
QuoteAndrew Wilson threatens to shut down his YouTube channel if Vanessa gets a diamond ring from a 0.1%er

I will shut my YouTube channel down if you get a diamond ring from a 0.1 percenter and walk down the aisle

01:32:50
OtherRAGE QUIT #1: London announces she is leaving (felt the show was 'disgusting', had her stuff in Vanessa's car)

I'm going to leave in a little... I got to go right now... coming to y'all show was my first like thing considering putting myself out there and this was like kind of disgusting

01:36:00
OtherRAGE QUIT #2: Vanessa (37) leaves with London (who drove her), completing the double rage quit referenced in the episode title

London drove Vanessa; when London left, Vanessa also had to leave. Brian: 'tell her to come back otherwise you just got to get out of here'

02:28:00
ControversyNaomi Ryder reveals she slept with a man, then his father (as revenge), then slept with the son again — panel is shocked

I mean I [expletive] his dad and then he [expletive] me again right after... the son first, then dad because the son was acting up

02:37:00
Key MomentAndrew Wilson systematically argues Naomi Ryder's sugar daddy arrangements constitute prostitution — the table broadly agrees

You're sleeping with three men simultaneously... in exchange they're giving you lots of money... can you explain to me how that's not prostitution

03:48:00
Key MomentKayn reveals she is in an age-gap relationship (19yo dating a 29-30yo man met on Tinder)

Yes... 29 about to be 30... met online dating app... Tinder

04:00:40
ControversyAndrew Wilson reveals he lost his virginity at age 13 to a 19-year-old woman — chat calls him 'a victim'

13... [music/pause]... and the chick was 19 by the way

04:02:00
Key MomentMegan reveals two of her ex-boyfriends came out as gay after dating her

Two of them [came out as gay]... yes... two... sure is [a bad track record]

07:06:06
OtherEnd-of-show body count round: Naomi Ryder estimates 300-500+, possibly over 1000 on-camera

I lost count at like 19 so it's like over 200... over 300... probably [over 500]... it's like yeah Andrew agrees it's like a little over a thousand probably

Topics Discussed

00:00:13
Introductions and Relationship Status Round

Guests introduce themselves with name, age, location, and occupation. Brian then goes around asking relationship status, how long single, longest relationship, and who broke up with whom. Notable: London's 8-year relationship with a man who went to prison multiple times; Naomi Ryder's adult film career and sugar daddy arrangements; Vanessa (37) reveals she requires a millionaire to date.

00:18:28
Birth Control, Plan B, and Sexual Health Round

TTS donation triggers a round asking who is on birth control. Most guests say no. Naomi Ryder reveals she 'pops Plan B like candy' — used ~4 in one week, estimates ~20 in 2024, lost count. Discussion of Plan B vs. birth control options. Naomi says she can't find a birth control that doesn't cause side effects.

00:29:15
Vanessa's $1M+ Man Requirements & Delusional Standards Debate

Vanessa (37) reveals she only dates men earning $500k-$1M+/year who own $7M+ houses in LA. Brian runs the 'dating calculator' tool showing this describes 0.01% of men. Andrew Wilson argues this is delusional given her age, competition from younger women, and what she brings to the table (massages, cooking, cleaning). London passionately defends Vanessa. Culminates in back-and-forth about whether Vanessa is 'delusional' for wanting a 0.1% man.

01:11:48
Self-Rating Round (1-10 Scale)

Brian asks all guests to rate their looks 1-10. Ratings: Kayn=9, Megan=6.5 (8.5 makeup/5-6 natural), London='broke my scale'/off charts, Kaye=6.5-7, Naomi='don't know'/7, Vanessa (37)=not given, Allison=6, Vanessa (19)=6, Brian=1% earner. London refuses to give a number, claims to be above the scale. Andrew says he's a 10. London rates Andrew as a '3' which triggers a prolonged confrontation about honesty and delusion.

01:12:30
London vs. Andrew Wilson Confrontation Over Beauty & Self-Perception

Extended confrontation between London (SPEAKER_07) and Andrew Wilson. London claims to be 'off the scale' beautiful (top tier). Andrew pushes back calling it delusion. London rates Andrew a '3.' Andrew comments on her extensions. The exchange escalates with personal insults. Andrew calls her 'full of shit' multiple times. London accuses Andrew of being a hater. Ends with London rage-quitting the show (~2:35) because she came with Vanessa (who drove) and also needed to leave.

01:32:05
Brian's Body Count / Hookup Speed vs. Low Body Count Paradox Debate

Kaye (SPEAKER_10) raises the 'Brian Paradox': Brian wants to sleep with women within 1-3 dates but also wants women with low body counts. Extended debate with Brian, Andrew, London, Kaye about whether women who sleep quickly are indicators of high body counts, whether women strategically become chaste after promiscuous pasts to attract better men, and whether Brian's standards are contradictory. Mock date role-play attempt. Brian explains his position on mismatched timelines. Andrew gives statistical context.

02:37:00
Naomi Ryder Sugar Daddy Prostitution Debate

Andrew Wilson systematically argues that Naomi Ryder's sugar daddy arrangements (sleeping with 3 older men who give her money/gifts) constitute prostitution by definition. Naomi repeatedly evades direct answers. Andrew asks: 'If they stopped giving you money would you stop sleeping with them?' Naomi says 'probably not.' Andrew deems this confirms prostitution. Other guests agree (show of hands). Brian says it's 'basically just coke.'

03:07:48
Red Flag Jobs Round

Super Chat question: biggest red flag job for men and women. Guest answers: Kayn=construction worker (AZ stereotype), Kaye=entertainment/podcast host or gynecologist, Naomi=no red flag jobs, Allison=sex worker or blue collar doing home visits, Vanessa 19=police officer (safety). Brian: flight attendant or travel nurse. Andrew: any social media influencer (worst), then flight attendant, travel nurse, hair stylist, HR, etc.

03:11:30
Naomi's Host Stories (Father/Son hookup)

In the show notes segment, Naomi is asked about her 'host stories.' She reveals that she once slept with a man, then slept with his father after the son was 'acting up,' and then the son wanted to sleep with her again after she slept with his dad — and she did. This happened ~1 year ago. Panel is shocked. Andrew asks 'who's better — the son?' Naomi says the son.

03:25:00
Marriage, Prenups, and Traditional Relationships Debate

Allison (SPEAKER_12) and Vanessa 19 (SPEAKER_11) discuss traditional gender roles and waiting for marriage. Extended debate on why men should get married (Allison argues for, Brian against). Andrew presents the prenup/M&M analogy: if someone offers you a potentially poisoned M&M you should get it tested. Allison argues prenups are planning for failure. Discussion of divorce statistics, women's role in divorce initiation, and whether love is a feeling vs. commitment.

03:48:00
Kayn's Age-Gap Relationship Discussion

Kayn (19) is in an age-gap relationship with a 29-30 year old man she met on Tinder. Brian and panel discuss the pros and cons of age-gap relationships. Kayn also discusses her previous 3-year relationship that ended because he was addicted to pornography.

04:00:00
Women's Suffrage Debate (Teased)

Kaye (SPEAKER_10) says she wants to debate women's right to vote. Brian agrees to save it for later in the show with Andrew moderating. Teased but not expanded in accessible chunks.

04:02:00
Megan: Two Exes Coming Out as Gay

Megan reveals that two of her ex-boyfriends came out as gay after dating her. Panel reacts with amusement and concern. Megan jokes she's changed her 'political affiliation' since then. Andrew asks if she worries about her husband. Megan says no.

06:13:23
Losing Virginity Ages Round

Going around the table: ages when each person lost their virginity. Kayn=15, Kaye=17, Allison=16, Naomi=18 ('15 if I could have sooner'), Vanessa 19=14, Megan not stated, Brian=15, Andrew=13 (the woman was 19, leading to 'you're a victim' jokes).

07:06:06
Body Count Final Round

End-of-show body count round. Naomi Ryder: lost count at 19, estimates over 300 (later pressured to confirm ~500, possibly 1000+). Allison: less than 15 (likely ~5-10). Others gave ranges. Brian: not disclosed. Andrew: not disclosed (won't say until Brian does).

Transcript

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02:48:19
Meganlive up to this I know this is a very awkward environment to be in is it oh yeah it is yes it's not that bad it's what I feel like now we have more room to talk yeah that's true it's true you
02:48:33
Brian Atlasgot to be assertive with the conversation you can't let the your neighbor just [ __ ] uh what's it called uh just totally uh you know monopolize the entire airtime um you
02:48:45
Brian Atlassaid you've been married a few years same person for eight years or married two years together eight years fairly normal dating experiences prior other than one of my exes coming out as gay
02:48:56
Megantwo of them yes two of them so you're attracted to game then I didn't know they were gay to start with yeah well you're maybe so wait two two yeah yeah
02:49:07
Allisonit's great it's a bad track record right sure is two are you ever well how close how close together sced into the table like not to be offensive but are you ever worried that your husband May no
02:49:18
Meganokay no I cuz I was like that we're all like to cuz it's like the odds of that yeah like yes I changed quite a bit throughout my years my political affiliation has changed a lot too so
02:49:30
Brian Atlaswhat I accept uh is no longer what I used to accept just put that out there you used to accept wait you used to accept it like you used to accept like wait did any of
02:49:41
Brian Atlasthem want to be pegged not that I know of no oh okay no good talk you said modern dating seems awful now and nowadays very disingenuous why do
02:49:53
Meganyou say that yeah nowadays it seems completely like trash to be honest I mean everybody's using a dating app that was completely different when I was dating um you can't really get to know
02:50:03
Meganmany people or really indepth I guess you would say um because it's all in front of a camera um people don't want to get to
02:50:12
Meganknow one another they really just want to [ __ ] move on which is fine in certain circumstances I guess that's your thing but that's not what I would personally be looking for if I was
02:50:22
Brian Atlasdating okay you said you're a reformed Democrat who previously dated two men who came out as gay uh hot takes you would never be in a relationship with a
02:50:32
Brian Atlastrans man yeah I don't think that should be a hot take but yes yeah I don't think it's that hot of a take uh going around the table do you think it's wrong let me
02:50:43
Brian Atlaskind of like reverse the the roles a bit uh do you guys think it would be wrong for a a male to not want to date a trans woman no no no no wait what was the
02:50:56
Brian Atlasquestion I'm sorry you mean the one I just asked yeah oh yeah that one do you think it's wrong for a man to not want to date a trans woman I think it's their choice okay no wait let me just push
02:51:09
Brian Atlasback a little bit here you think you might acknowledge it's their choice but do you object to the choice I mean
02:51:19
Brian Atlasprobably not I guess it's just a thing no no okay um all right is it here how about this is it
02:51:28
Brian Atlasstraight for a man a male to date well hold on for a man to date a trans woman is it straight
02:51:40
Naomi Ryderno no I don't think so I don't think so either I think he has his own category so no I guess okay no no okay all right there you have it
02:51:51
Brian Atlasfolks okay um let's see here we're going to go Naomi is that you yeah that's me that's you okay you're a sugar baby we didn't really get to that um how many sugar daddies have you
02:52:02
Brian Atlashad I don't remember but right now I have like three currently you have three right now mhm okay how many you don't know how many total like 10 plus 20 plus 30
02:52:12
Naomi Ryderplus probably like 10 plus 10 plus okay yeah it's not that much and so you have three currently do you hook up with any
02:52:19
Allisonof them yes yes okay um all three of them yes this is I'm just curious cuz I
02:52:30
Allisonknow excuse me sugar daddies are like stereotyped to be old are they all old I feel like I would be like putting
02:52:40
Naomi Ryderthem in like a specific profile like I don't know if they want to even just like 50 or older like just yes or no you don't have to specify their age I just don't want to get into
02:52:53
Brian Atlaslike what they look like or anything like that cuz it's like discretion is it like legalities like you sign a contract no so okay you've
02:53:05
Brian Atlasgot the the three sugar daddies you're hooking up with all of them um what how does it work do they give you an allowance something like
02:53:15
Naomi Ryderthat so like do they also pay for your bills something like that well can you be a bit more precise I don't really have a lot of bills but I go shopping a
02:53:26
Naomi Ryderlot do they pay for your rent um nothing is like directly paid for so it' be like so they just give you
02:53:35
Brian Atlasmoney as a gift yes as a gift yeah um how much I'm curious so like the guy who's spending the most on you how much does he send you per month that's um
02:53:48
Andrew Wilsonpersonal for sure oh give us the details this is good good content no there's other stuff talk okay well then perhaps a different question um out of all three of these sugar daddies can you tell us the age of
02:53:59
Brian Atlasthe oldest one roughly no within the decade 50s 60s no I mean I'm sorry that would not
02:54:11
Brian Atlasbe reveal I mean it wouldn't really be yeah that wouldn't reveal anything how would it reveal cuz then it's like if I'm with a certain age person okay out in public they're just going to is any
02:54:22
Andrew Wilsonof these people 20 plus years older than you I mean sure yeah okay so then that I would
02:54:32
Andrew Wilsonnot be mistaken in saying and uh forgive me if this is incorrect or I'm characterizing this incorrectly but you're a prostitute is that
02:54:42
Andrew Wilsoncorrect no you're sleeping with three men s multaneously many of them much older than you for the purposes of them giving you money can you explain to me how that's not
02:54:57
Naomi Ryderprostitution damn um can I explain to it yeah can you explain to me how that's not
02:55:07
Andrew Wilsonprostitution um because it's not like a for sure thing like it's not the direct if it's directly I'm giving you pretty direct sleeping with all these
02:55:20
Andrew Wilsonmen in exchange they're giving you lots of money I don't understand can you make the delineation can you draw me the delineation between a prostitute does this which is she has sex with men for
02:55:31
Andrew Wilsonmoney you do this which is you're having sex with men for money what's the delineation point um I just don't think that like we have
02:55:44
Naomi Ryderto label it as such yeah but why why because um it's not direct it's not like oh I'm giving you this for this that would be direct wa if any of these
02:55:56
Andrew Wilsonmen stopped giving you this money would you stop sleeping with them I'm into the provider type yeah but yeah so then the answer is no
02:56:06
Andrew Wilson[Music] um I think if it was like I don't think it would be no necessarily so if any of these men tomorrow stop giv you any
02:56:18
Andrew Wilsonmoney at all and said I'm not giving you any money anymore but I would I would still like to continue sleeping with you you would say yes it depends it's something that we would have to have a conversation about for sure okay so you had the
02:56:31
Andrew Wilsonconversation what would the conditionals be in which you would continue to sleep with them if they gave you no more money I feel like that's personal but like yeah it's feel like a little too personal for me to share can I actually
02:56:42
Andrew Wilsonquestion is yeah but but here's here's the thing uh I think that you wouldn't and that you're basically lying to me on purpose because you know that the
02:56:54
Andrew Wilsonentailment of the answer if you said no I would not continue to sleep with him they stopped giving me money is that you then know that you would be a prostitute so I'm going to ask you to just be
02:57:05
Andrew Wilsonhonest isn't it really true that if any of these men any of them stopped giving you any of these Goods or money that you would stop sleeping with them isn't that the
02:57:18
Andrew Wilsoncase that's not the case actually okay um let's say then if any of them is there
02:57:27
Andrew Wilsonat least some of them that if they stopped giving you money you would stop sleeping with them is there at least one of
02:57:36
Naomi Ryderthem um damn I feel like I'm put on the spot is there at least one I think you just want me to admit to your definition no I don't I just want
02:57:48
Andrew Wilsonyou to answer my question I just want you to answer my question that's all I want I think like I mean I have love for all of them
02:57:58
Andrew Wilsonso I know but can you repeat my question back real quick no I can't actually okay so I'm going to ask I'll ask it again is there at least one of them who if they
02:58:09
Andrew Wilsonstopped giving you any of this money that you would that you would not continue to sleep with them just one it's not even just about the money though their personality know but that's not my question that's not my question
02:58:21
Andrew Wilsonso I'm going to ask you the question again I'm I'm going to keep asking it until you answer it I'm never going to let you evade it I'm never going to let you sidestep it I'm I'm just going to
02:58:31
Andrew Wilsonkeep asking it until you answer it is there at least one who if they stopped giving you resources you would stop sleeping with them is there one I love how you changed the question to
02:58:44
Naomi Ryderresources um to be honest I thought about cutting certain people off anyway money or not so it's a lot you still didn't you really actually just again did not actually answer the question can you please answer the question I asked
02:58:56
Andrew Wilsonyou probably well I don't it probably doesn't mean anything yes I did answer your question it just then let me ask you you know what I'll
02:59:07
Andrew Wilsoneven make this simpler the sugar daddies you had previously before this particular grouping of sugar daddies if is there at least one of them who if they had stopped giving you resources or
02:59:19
Naomi Rydermoney you would not have continued to sleep with probably not I don't know no everything is situational to be honest with
02:59:30
Andrew Wilsonme I'm not trying to like be annoying or anything I swear I mean I I just feel like this is a clever sidest stepping because you don't want to admit what everybody in
02:59:42
Andrew Wilsonthis room and everybody who's viewing and everybody on planet Earth knows which is that at least some some of these men or one of them at least if they stopped giving you lots and lots of
02:59:52
Andrew Wilsonmoney uh and resources you would stop having sex with them is that is that the case or is that not the case like just directly is that or is that not the case I feel like I'm really not trying to
03:00:03
Naomi Rydersidestep this this I'm just genuinely answering so is it or is it not the case I said probably not it's probably
03:00:12
Naomi Rydernot the case it's probably not the okay but I do like regardless if there's money involved or not I get like tired of people's
03:00:22
Andrew Wilsonpersonality so it could it's very situational yeah but I'm sure I'm guessing you get far less tired of their personality if they're giving you lots of money right that part yeah yeah so I
03:00:34
Andrew Wilsonmean this I'm just going to be completely honest with you this sounds an awful lck to me like prostitution in fact I would consider it to almost be the dictionary definition of
03:00:46
Andrew Wilsonprostitution which is a man gives you money and in exchange for that you have sex with him so then what would an escort be by your definition she would be a well if
03:00:57
Andrew Wilsonshe was actually just escorting men to dinners and was not doing anything sexual with them then I would say then I I'm answering the question so sorry uh if if I would say an escort if they were
03:01:09
Andrew Wilsonactually just escorting men out like they're supposed to because they're just escorts they're just supposed to be arm candy so that men who walk on a red carpet or something like this have something on their arm I don't consider
03:01:20
Andrew Wilsonthat to be prostitution but if you mean escort in the term where they show up and then they go out and then they have sex with a guy that's very clearly prostitution yeah um yes it doesn't
03:01:32
Naomi Rydernecessarily have to lead to prostitution like sex you know what I mean it doesn't have to lead to sex and then it by your definition it's not prostitution because if we're filling each other's Vibe and
03:01:43
Andrew Wilsonwe want to have sex we're two Consul we're two consenting adults then we're having sex yeah I agree that you could be two consenting adults who are just having sex where I disagree
03:01:56
Andrew Wilsonwith is whether or not you would continue to have these relationships with these men who you claim are sugar daddies quote unquote meaning they give you lots of resources and that you would continue to have sex with them absent
03:02:08
Andrew Wilsonthose resources that's what's in dispute here yeah I understand the dispute yeah that's what's in dispute so um you can I I suppose say no really Andrew what it
03:02:20
Andrew Wilsonis is I just like to really [ __ ] all three of these guys and I don't care about the resources because they're great they're fantastic they are the bestest of the bestest uh but I just
03:02:31
Andrew Wilsonreally don't think that that's the case right they're good people part of what makes provider type yeah I'm not saying they're not good people I'm just saying that if suddenly they were good people
03:02:42
Andrew Wilsonwho also didn't give you any resources anymore that perhaps you would stop sleeping with these good people that's all I'm saying that's like if I want to get serious and then like if I want to like
03:02:54
Naomi Rydercuz I'm dating three of them you know like what for me personally dating is like you should have some sort of advantage in life like that you don't
03:03:06
Naomi Ryderwant to be left with nothing so if I want to get serious with someone and like maybe it's one of these guys if they stop wanting to pay me and it's like progresses to something else than
03:03:16
Andrew Wilsonsure okay well then last question on this before I and then Brian keep moving on if one of these guys did want you to get serious with him exclusively just them and said that they were no longer
03:03:29
Andrew Wilsongoing to give you resources though if you got exclusive with them and you could not take resources from any other men but them would you do
03:03:39
Andrew Wilsonthat no okay you're you're prostitute that's that literally that's that would be dictionary prostitute right that would okay you have a
03:03:51
Meganquestion for well I was just curious is prostitution legal in California is that why you're not saying that you're okay wait oh that was was that that was a question because maybe she doesn't want to admit that she's a prostitute because
03:04:03
Naomi Ryderit's illegal do you aren't wait escorting is legal do you live in California I live in LA yes but
03:04:15
Naomi Ryderoh there's a difference between an escort who's choosing to sleep with someone who's providing for them and there's a difference between just being paid outright do you think sex
03:04:26
Naomi Ryderspecifically yes or no like you don't have a choice like you know I mean you have a choice but they're like saying oh I'm not going to pay you unless you sleep with me it's not that type of
03:04:36
Brian Atlassituation I mean you can put a bow on it but I mean it's essentially prostitution like it's basically just Coke like oh okay I go out to dinner
03:04:46
Brian Atlaswith the guy first first and then I can look at myself in a more favorable light because I I did this token gesture of going to dinner with him before he paid
03:04:56
Brian Atlasme the money for what he actually really wanted which was to have sex it's just
03:05:05
Naomi Rydercope I don't know I feel like I'm getting grilled for my answers I mean well a little bit but I'm I'm going to be fair back to you um the
03:05:16
Andrew Wilsonreason that grilling you on this is because to me semantics when you're when you're talking when you're having a discussion about a thing I think are really important I think it's important that we have semantic distinction so we understand what we're talking about so
03:05:29
Andrew Wilsonif you say I'm not in this category category a in this case category a is prostitution I say okay I believe you 100% right but if you say I'm not in
03:05:39
Andrew Wilsoncategory a and everything you say fits with prostitution then we're clearly talking about two different things and that's bothersome right that now it's like well wait a second it sounds like
03:05:52
Andrew Wilsonwe are talking about the same thing you're just calling it something different for some reason because you just don't want the label of prostitute put on your shoulders um that's that's I mean that's that's where it's
03:06:04
Naomi Ryderproblematic it's not even an attempt to be mean it's just an attempt to clarify what we're actually talking about well I mean we're speaking about right now but in the past like I've had people pay me to hang out with them and then it
03:06:16
Naomi Ryderdoesn't lead to it's more of if I want to have sex with him would you have had sex with him for the right price what the [ __ ] that's like I don't
03:06:27
Naomi Ryderknow how to answer that I'm sorry we with yes or
03:06:32
Naomi Ryderno can you repeat the question would you have had sex with them for the right price it's more about like how I feel with them if I'm like
03:06:43
Andrew Wilsoncomfortable not about right price you feel yeah you feel good about and they're going to give you $500,000 you just leaving with them what the
03:06:53
Naomi Ryder[ __ ] I don't know about that one you don't know stop the cap you know about that one you a you ain't been paid that much
03:07:05
Brian Atlasfrom anybody that's true okay uh do you have did you have some more Andrew or
03:07:17
Andrew Wilsonno I think we can leave it there I'm just I'm just trying to get you to understand like um often times people think that it's some type of uh meanness or something like this when you're just trying to establish basic terms but you
03:07:29
Andrew Wilsoncan understand why when people do horrible things or they have a perception that people will think that it's a horrible thing that they're very very evasive about calling the thing what it is and so that's why I'm like
03:07:41
Naomi Ryderwell wait can we at least pin down what the hell we're talking about uh that's not an attempt to be mean it's just an attempt to get Clarity on what we're even talking about the thing is like culturally speaking that's the way that
03:07:52
Naomi Ryderthey want to treat their women anyways they want to spoil them and I'm not dating serious seriously right now that's why I have a roster I call it sugar daddies because yes they're taking
03:08:03
TTS/Donationscare of me they're spoiling me but if you want to label this prostitution then the legendary trash Panda donated $199 thank you man drinking game in
03:08:14
TTS/DonationsDiscord the more you say stop interrupting Etc and the more Andrew mocks the drunker we get also panel specifically chair one goth Catholic we
03:08:25
Andrew Wilsonneed to see your feet what the [ __ ] what what the [ __ ] dude what kind of what kind of gross degenerate ass Super Chat was that so um anyway that's it I'm just trying to get
03:08:37
Andrew Wilsonget clarification and I think often times Brian uh and myself are ridiculed because when we try to get clarification on basic terms uh people get they actually get offended offended they get offended that we're just trying to
03:08:49
Andrew Wilsonfigure out what the hell they're even talking about no it's cool I'm not offended I was just like sure I think there's just a gray area and people get that kind of confused sometimes yeah isn't it interesting though how the gray area seems to usually exist with the
03:09:01
Andrew Wilsonperson on the side of the behavior they don't want to admit to suddenly there's a gray area when there seems to be complete Clarity from everybody else so like look I I'm going to actually prove this to you right now the girls in the room might be way too nice to raise
03:09:15
Andrew Wilsontheir hand but I'm going to ask the question to the table anyway would you consider that if you slept with multiple men in exchange for resources or money that you would be a prostitute just by a show of hands if you could if you could uh raise your
03:09:27
Andrew Wilsonhand if you would agree that that's prostitution I would think so yeah so it doesn't seem like there's a a lack of clarity or a gray area from
03:09:38
Andrew Wilsonanybody except the person who's on the end of the behavior itself isn't that interesting it's not an exchange though it's who they are that's what they want to
03:09:49
Andrew Wilsondo they want to provide and they continue to do it absent any sex with you not in exchange they would continue to do it absent any sex with you what
03:10:01
Andrew Wilsonthey would continue to do it absent any sex with you ever again but then it wouldn't be like dating yeah then it sounds like an exchange right sound sounds kind of like
03:10:12
Andrew Wilsona trade of some kind like hey if you're not giving me the sex then I'm not going to give you the stuff that sounds kind of like the whole prostitution thing they would probably
03:10:24
Naomi Rydersee me as a friend if I sto wanting to have sex with them so so wait wait why don't they why don't they want to just spoil their friend I don't know maybe it's just a
03:10:36
Andrew Wilsondating culture thing yeah it's a dating cult like it's almost like they they want to give you stuff in exchange for having sexual intercourse with you isn't that amazing it's fair very odd how this
03:10:48
Andrew Wilsonis it's very strange how this is working out all roads seem to lead to I give you thing and I get [ __ ] in exchange that okay
03:10:59
Brian Atlasoh Andrew I think you're you got muted there for for a moment I don't know if that's on our end or possibly your end can you speak into the mic
03:11:12
Brian AtlasAndrew Andrew sorry I can't hear you can you try speaking into the mic can you hear us Andrew can you hear us thumbs up if you can hear us Andrew thumbs up if you can hear us I don't know if he can hear
03:11:27
Brian Atlasus um okay we'll just um I think he's fixing his mic something happened to his mic well while we're doing that uh we did have a chat we have to get back to but also practicing gentlemen for Andrew
03:11:38
Brian Atlaswould you consider romance novelists romance po poets or even corn script writers to be prostitutes for Brian would you date a romance novelist Andrew did you hear that I didn't hear the last
03:11:51
Brian Atlaspart of it I'm sorry would you consider romance novelists romance poets or even corn script writers to be prostitutes no uh and would I date a romance
03:12:03
Andrew Wilsonnovelist like a woman who writes romance novels may maybe it's not ideal job I guess but I I don't think it would be 100 car all it's all men who
03:12:15
Andrew Wilsonwrite that [ __ ] who cares I don't think it' be 100% it's all men who write all the romance novels and then they do it with a female pen name and then we do have to get back to let me see here uh
03:12:28
Brian Atlaslet me read this from Mr unremarkable hey thank you for the uh Super Chat man good to see you back in the chat aose By Any Other Name Is Still hooker ISM God to give it to the lady though at least she's engaging in the
03:12:41
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TTS/Donationshere yikes shave your baby hair donated $200 red is goldfish tier content let's involve everyone else panel what is the
03:14:47
TTS/Donationsbiggest red flag job for men and why Brian and Andrew same question for women but why is it sales so going around the table what do you think is like the biggest red flag job in a man
03:14:59
Brian Atlasconstruction worker what what I live in a Arizona yeah it's just a stereotype wait why do you living in
03:15:10
KaynArizona like there's not a stu it's a stereotype for men there like if you if you drive around they party they party pretty hard right if you know the culture you know I don't know if it's
03:15:21
Andrew Wilsonsame in every state but specifically a yeah it's the same in California same California out west there's a stereotype with construction workers that after they clock out because a lot of them get
03:15:32
Andrew Wilsonpaid big big cash bonuses they party pretty hard that's the you know interesting when they're young and old not as much not as much when they're
03:15:44
Andrew Wilsonold but yeah but when they're young especially yeah so construction worker what about you um probably anything in the
03:15:53
Kayeentertainment business like podcast host like podcast host sweet okay got it um maybe if they're like a gynecologist or something that would be kind of wait why
03:16:04
Brian Atlaslike what are they doing inspecting Leia all day or what [ __ ] sign me up just kidding wasn't there a Friends episode about this where uh who's yeah Jennifer anston what was her name in friends uh
03:16:16
Brian AtlasRachel Rachel she was like dating this gynecologist and he was said something like ah it's just like I'm don't even want to look at vaginas because I look at them all day I don't know something like that and so it was a red flag for
03:16:29
Brian Atlasher and she broke it off with the gynecologist yeah I would I would also fit away I too I think I feel like that's got to be kind of traumatizing for the guy it's like why cuz it's like
03:16:41
KayeI mean if you see a healthy vagina great but you coming across some unhealthy [ __ ] they're usually not there with health maybe they become like you know
03:16:52
Allisonand they get up in so like they smell oh my gosh true yeah something this is why it's a red flag do they I mean they don't if they're going to the gynecologist but if
03:17:04
Allisonit's bad enough you don't need to be that close I'm pretty sure cuz like that's true it fills up the room there there's girls that will get up from a chair and the room can smell it that's [ __ ] disgusting God
03:17:17
Brian Atlasdamn I mean there was this we had this one episode this one time no way yeah I don't know where this is going to go but it's going to be good I mean I wanted to give her the benefit
03:17:27
Naomi Ryderof the doubt but anyways good talk uh red flag job um I don't really consider jobs as a red flag H I thought
03:17:40
Brian Atlasyou would say that uh there's not even I don't know nothing that comes to mind like a SoundCloud rapper something I love SoundCloud rappers the [ __ ] wait do
03:17:52
Brian Atlasyou have a type um do I have a type I think I said that already models and athletes oh and porn stars models
03:18:03
Naomi Ryderathletes have you ever [ __ ] an NFL player I mean they were more like college levels wasn't anything like division 3 I don't know I didn't ask or like have you have you made it up to
03:18:15
Brian Atlaslike D1 not yet okay so like City College like division two it's not even division they look fit so it's fine they
03:18:27
Allisonlook what they're fit fit they're athletes it counts red flag job I would say a sex worker a pro athlete and more
03:18:37
Allisonoften than not a blue car worker that does like at home meetups like an electrician or hbac D [ __ ] um well I know I know this from a few friends who
03:18:49
Allisonhave worked in the industry but there there it's more common that you'll find like a single mother who's getting their house worked on that will throw themselves at the
03:18:58
Allisonworkers and it's yeah and it's unlikely that like a desperate guy would say no to that to get paid to likeit H
03:19:09
AllisonHVAC that's a new one did you do you know this by like um personal experience or my ex was a electrician and and he would come like come back from work and
03:19:19
Allisonbe like that's how you got cheated on or no oh sorry but um he would like complain he'd be like the grossest thing happened or like and then he would talk about how some of his friends would
03:19:30
Vanessa (2)partake he probably did too and just didn't tell you about it that is possible red flag job for you you mean like red flag for someone like
03:19:39
Vanessa (2)perspectively to date them yeah well like I don't know I would blocking I'm not like d are you able to scoot this way a little bit just the mic's kind of blocking you go ahead but like the only
03:19:53
Vanessa (2)thing I can think of is like a job that I wouldn't want my boyfriend to have now because like what other guys do doesn't really concern me that much but so I could think of something like maybe being a police officer or something just
03:20:05
Brian Atlassomething that's not safe is what I wouldn't want him to be doing okay uh Andrew what's a red flag job for a woman biggest one social media influencer of
03:20:16
Andrew Wilsonany kind of any kind worse than like a sex worker worse than I would I would think that the Loyalty of a sex worker would be higher if she quit sex work and
03:20:28
Andrew Wilsoncommitted to one man than any kind of social media influencer Bo it is by far I would I would consider it to be the biggest red flag possible any woman who has
03:20:39
Brian Atlasinfluencer in their bio of any kind I would stay the [ __ ] as far away from him as possible hm okay I have a I have a list
03:20:48
Andrew Wilsonhere uh hair stylist Works in HR flight attendant how many cities have you been to travel nurse how many [ __ ] cheating you're cheating bro it was
03:20:58
Brian Atlassupposed to be the biggest red flag oh biggest red flag [ __ ] [ __ ] uh damn biggest red
03:21:10
Brian Atlasflag it's a tossup between I mean let's just put sex worker to the side here you got flight attendant and you got travel nurse it's kind of like I don't
03:21:23
Andrew Wilsonknow they're both pretty bad TR probably flight attendant I'd say anyways flight flight attendant is like see but that's that's to me is similar to social media
03:21:35
Andrew Wilsoninfluencer so it's like you always have the opportunity you're always meeting men who are more powerful than you are and more powerful than the average man
03:21:44
Andrew Wilsonis and so it's like the amount of in entertainment and you know this Brian the amount of women who have sex in order to attain clout in the social
03:21:56
Andrew Wilsonmedia world is [ __ ] insane it's it's wild over the
03:22:04
Brian Atlastop interesting okay those are the Red Flags let's see let's get back to the pre-show notes here so we uh
03:22:14
Brian AtlasNaomi that's Imon backwards by the way back um that's not your real name though is it no it's the industry name yep um you have dating stories are more private
03:22:25
Naomi Ryderthan your host stories dead so tell us your about your host stories yeah I put that in the last one that you sent me and then I rethought that and I was like do I want to share
03:22:35
Brian Atlasthat that might be personal too but do I think you do want to share it oh know H I don't know can we come back to that question
03:22:46
Brian Atlasisn't there another one after that hang on hang on we can come back to it you ready all right we're coming back to that question I knew you were going to do that we're back we're back we're so
03:22:57
Naomi Ryderback boys we are so back um tell us the host stories let's hear it well I mean it is more so like when I was younger like in my college days sure that's fine
03:23:10
Andrew Wilsonbut um those were like more crazy how many uh how many years ago were your college days uh like 10 10 years 10 or 11 or something you know
03:23:21
Andrew Wilsonthis is actually one of the rare times where I didn't like graduate college though I I got straight A but I wanted to drop out because I wanted to as a compliment to you I judged you as being much younger or than uh then obviously
03:23:33
Andrew Wilsonyou are if College was 10 years ago for you right cuz 18 yeah so let's hear The Host stories like anyways
03:23:44
Naomi Ryderuh my god do I get into it well there was like one dude that I was seeing and like it pissed me off I thought he was seeing other people like sexually and stuff so um I
03:23:55
Naomi Rydermean I [ __ ] his dad and then he [ __ ] me again right after word wait wait wait wait wait wait wait yeah
03:24:07
Naomi Ryderwait did did he know about it yes he did I told him excuse me wait you you effed the dad yeah and then you effed the guy no the guy first the sun first the sun
03:24:19
Naomi Ryderthen Dad then Dad because the sun was acting up you flipflop and then the sun again flipy flop but she said but the son was like wanting me to [ __ ] him after it was weird I was like so he what
03:24:31
Kaynhe's like next yeah I know right what he was literally into it what the I was like whatever that's so nasty I'm a I send the ask that's crazy who's better
03:24:42
Andrew Wilsonthe sun I was like there's no this is your D did they high did they high five no did they high five no I missed opportunity
03:24:53
Naomi Ryderhow old were you when that happened that was this year well I thought you said these were College days it was a year ago saying they're crazier stories from college but
03:25:04
Background VoiceI don't want what's crazier than you [ __ ] this guy's dad And then [ __ ] him right after give me the crazier story what's crazier than that I don't know I
03:25:13
Andrew Wilsonhave to think back to it for real I feel like real list if you have a real list of crazy stories in your head and you open with I know well I had some
03:25:25
Andrew Wilsonreally crazy one in colleges but let me give you the tame one which is the time that I [ __ ] the guy's dad And then [ __ ] him right afterwards I feel like the real list of the things that happened in college can't be very
03:25:37
Naomi Ryderevasive it's just that this one's more relevant cuz it happened recent so I was like whatever and then the college ones it's like I know I did crazy [ __ ] I just can't remember cuz it was 10 years ago
03:25:49
Naomi Ryder11 years ago or some [ __ ] I mean I remember [ __ ] from when I was like 5 years old I mean I do too but like I think this is like a little different cuz I'm put on the spot oh was
03:26:01
Naomi Ryderit like a lot of intoxication involved is that why it's like Blurry on the spot no I just can't pinpoint it to like
03:26:10
Brian Atlasone story cuz there's many and that's okay we all have our when has that ever been okay with you you're like all right
03:26:19
Brian Atlasit's okay uh tell us one more one more H story um maybe if you come back to me I can remember it though that's the thing well
03:26:33
Brian AtlasI'll continue with the rest of your notes then and you can think about it uh you said dating while in the industry is Nightmare as expected but also in your opinion
03:26:43
Naomi Ryderoverrated is that what I said like yeah your I'm literally reading it for bettim you don't think what oh dating while in the industry I think you skipped the while in the industry you just said
03:26:55
Naomi Ryderdating in the industry like within It Dating while in the industry yeah so like being a full service sex worker mhm which I think some people can even argue
03:27:07
Naomi Ryderthat porn is technically prostitution that's a gr area again but anyways like it's a nightmare cuz it's like I'm people aren't going to take you serious and then the people that do they're a
03:27:18
Naomi Ryderlittle too overly open-minded and then I'm like somewhat in between where it's like I do see it as a job and then there's the op
03:27:28
Brian Atlassure camera stuff and then that's more personal to me no okay we have a chat here from Mr unremarkable thank you so much man for the Super Chat really appreciate it uh that's absolutely vile still
03:27:42
Brian Atlasappreciate you staying in the conversation as gross as they is nasty B yeah H what what kind of gun is that by
03:27:52
Naomi Ryderthe way Mr unremarkable it called out what kind of gun what your I'm not calling out call out oh actually that looks uh registered so it's fine it looks registered I mean the way he's
03:28:04
Andrew Wilsonholding it and he's got the headgear on or whatever I mean 15 just saying I'm just curious like you can look at it and tell because extension on the stock it
03:28:16
Andrew Wilsonhas a tube and that's where the recoil buffer goes and only the AR-15 has that feature oh oh it's a little hard for me to you know it's very far away on my
03:28:26
Brian Atlasmonitor you know hard for me to see but uh all right we have uh nail me how by the way how does something look registered what hell the way that people
03:28:39
Allisonhold it I guess looks registered it looks registered you're saying people with unregistered like aell is an unregistered gun look
03:28:50
Naomi Ryderlike he looks just changes its feature when he register it just the way like you know people guns differently when they're look like a responsible gun like he's not like
03:29:01
Brian Atlasholding it like all Thug Like off to the side and [ __ ] he looks like he's responsible and it's a registered firearm that's what it looks like yeah that's one and his Trigger Discipline is fantastic what I don't know about all
03:29:14
Brian Atlasthat okay we only saw the butt of the gun right that is true but I'm just assuming okay you said uh your current mindset is on money right now because dating Canon will set you back in many ways when
03:29:27
Brian Atlasyou're focusing on personal goals while in the industry it's difficult to find people people open-minded and supportive enough to be a good companion you've had issues with dating before the industry as well but now it's harder for sure
03:29:38
Brian Atlasyour dating life is somewhat personal clearly uh dating you say dating is overrated question though do you want to have kids one day I
03:29:47
Naomi Rydermean ideally yes okay but I think uh if it doesn't happen I'm not going to be totally devastated okay do you want to get married yeah okay well I mean you
03:29:59
Brian Atlaskind of have to date to do that but um you said basically your thoughts on dating your uh basically your thoughts on dating is that everyone has a roster you think Society puts too much emphasis on the need for another person that it
03:30:10
Brian Atlasperpetuates low self worth as for me I'm mature enough to realize that I'm capable of being alone without the of a significant other yeah okay if you care to elaborate that's fine but otherwise
03:30:21
Brian AtlasI'll just move it on uh let's see okay that's Naomi we need to wait to get back to Kaye we did Megan's notes Nessa short
03:30:30
Brian Atlasfor Vanessa oh yeah okay you said you've only dated one other man besides your current boyfriend he was nice we just disagreed on points of faith and lifestyle and not nothing to really
03:30:43
Brian Atlasinterrogate there uh you'd like to talk about the importance of traditional gender roles and the downplay of the value of intimacy in society nowadays I believe you should date for marriage I believe respecting your husband and loving your
03:30:55
Brian Atlaswife are some of the most important things a couple can do for their marriage I'm from a broken home and have seen this play out in my parents marriage uh no disagreements there is there
03:31:07
Brian Atlasanything you want to elaborate on or no I feel like it's pretty straightforward okay and you said you disagree with the intensity and black and whiteness of some of the
03:31:18
Brian Atlashosts takes I assume you're talking about me and Andrew I believe there's more of a gray area in a lot of the topics uh so why don't you go into that um I guess what are the disagreements what do you feel where do you feel
03:31:30
Vanessa (2)there's more gray area no that's why I put gray area because I couldn't think of like anything that I specifically agree or disagree with when I was watching and researching it so cuz I was
03:31:40
Brian Atlasalways kind of like I guess to some points then also was like no I don't know well so you said you disagree with the intensity in black and whiteness of some of the hosts takes so
03:31:53
Brian Atlasjust going based off what you wrote in your own notes here um what are the takes in which you disagree with when it comes to the intensity and black and
03:32:03
Vanessa (2)whiteness that either um that either from Andrew or from me no like it was already brought up earlier about your like um go ahead go ahead um dating pref is
03:32:16
Vanessa (2)about wanting a girl with like a low body count but that would also sleep with you really quickly that you were like no I wouldn't sleep with someone with a high body count and that being like a standard I thought it was kind of
03:32:27
Vanessa (2)weird wait what sorry what was weird that you like wouldn't want to sleep with someone with a high body count but you also don't want to get married so it's like why I mean as if it's like an
03:32:37
Brian AtlasSCD thing and they're clean like why would you not want to well I'm a little confused as to the tying it into the marriage thing because uh what would me
03:32:48
Brian Atlaswanting to get married or not wanting to get married have to do with uh finding it more optimal to date somebody who uh
03:32:58
Vanessa (2)hasn't slept with a bunch of men I'm just saying like why is that that like decreases their value is what you think which also like
03:33:09
Vanessa (2)feel that way too so it's like but if you're not dating for a marriage like what are you dating for
03:33:17
Brian Atlaswell do you think you can't have like a lifelong girlfriend and have kids I think that's ridiculous yeah why is it
03:33:26
Vanessa (2)ridiculous because why would you stay with someone but not also just like just go ahead and marry them then if you plan on staying with them forever like what's the problem well I mean this is the
03:33:36
Brian Atlassolipsism so you're saying why would a woman do that but I'm the man here so you need to make a convincing argument why I should get married to a woman I get for you maybe you don't like the
03:33:49
Brian Atlasdeal but I think it's a better deal for me to not get married so convince me that I should get married I feel like it's not something I can really convince you of though well I
03:34:01
Vanessa (2)mean you've come on a dating podcast to have the conversation so let's have the conversation you're not going to change my mind I mean but I'm happy to have the debate because you want to date other people like in your lifetime you don't
03:34:13
Vanessa (2)want to like just only be with one person wait is that why you don't want to get married cuz you want be other people do I need to get married to stay with somebody for the rest of my life no okay
03:34:25
Allisonare you worried about the like liability or repercussions the liability of what like or I should say repercussions of of marriage of getting is that so you I am
03:34:35
Allisonconcerned about the liabilities so you wouldn't love somebody enough to make that commitment well I can just reverse this onto you why can't she love love me
03:34:46
Allisonenough to not get married I guess so your argument falls apart I guess so I guess that's just because your values don't match mine so
03:34:58
Brian Atlaslike I wouldn't agree with that if I were the girl that's totally fine she shouldn't date me then well yeah that's my point right but you're going to have
03:35:08
Allisonto make a more compelling argument besides well if you love her enough you would do it well the point of marriage is to make that commitment to become one
03:35:19
Allisonwith that person is that the point of marriage it's to be with that person for the rest of your life dating is kind of like a precept to
03:35:30
Brian Atlasmarriage well the issue with that is is that the divorce rate is astoundingly high so it doesn't seem or it doesn't occur to me that marriage precludes
03:35:41
Allisonpeople from breaking up I would say the divorce marriage is influenced by the ideals idolized today because people
03:35:52
Allisonthink love is a feeling not an action being in love is a feeling that's fleeting but being but loving someone is a commitment where you reach a point cuz a lot of marriages reach that point where it's like a lol and you decide
03:36:04
Allisonokay no we're going to make make this work or we're going to work together to continue with each other but most people choose dating cuz when it gets to that point they're afraid to make that strong
03:36:15
Allisoncommitment to get past it so dating is the easy way out and it's like uh I'd rather not and then just go find somebody else but marriage puts you under the responsibility of standing to
03:36:27
Brian Atlasthat commitment does it it should but what does it have to do really with are you saying for both Partners yes for both Partners well wouldn't this criticism be
03:36:40
Allisonbetter aimed at women given that they're more likely to divorce men than the reverse I think I agree with that I think women are too emotionally LED and
03:36:49
Allisonemotionally charged to where it comes down to if a man has a strong opinion or if it's rooted in truth they can't handle it because of it hurts their
03:36:59
Allisonfeelings but I think what we need to teach women is your feelings don't matter when it comes to the truth there's a hard truth and then there's a harsh truth it's up to the man to be a
03:37:11
Allisongood leader and a good man to be able to give the hard truth without just you know blatantly being harsh so I feel like when you guys bring it up I agree
03:37:22
Allisonwomen leave a lot of relationships for invalid reasons but there's the small case of you have a man who couldn't lead the woman and she was displeased with
03:37:34
Kayethe lack of leadership which I guess would that even I mean would that even be pretext for divorce I have some things that I want to add to
03:37:46
Brian Atlasgoing off wait let me really quickly ask Andrew Andrew let me ask you a question a woman a Christian woman marries a Christian man and he is at least in her assessment failing in his capacity to
03:37:58
Brian Atlaslead in the relationship but he's otherwise a good person a good man there's no abuse uh is that enough pretext for a divorce no Paul addresses
03:38:08
Andrew Wilsonthis specifically so uh the Apostle Paul says that even if the man falls away from Christ the woman should stay married to him if she's a follower of Christ because the likelihood is higher
03:38:20
Allisonthat he will be brought back to Christ by her not abandoning the marriage no I understand from a faithful perspective that's different I'm talking more of a secular oh okay secular we can keep it
03:38:30
Allisonsecular as a woman for me personally I pray for a husband because I who better to choose my husband than
03:38:39
Allisonthe creator of all things and me personally I like to wait and work on myself so that when I come across a man
03:38:48
Allisonof such value I'm valuable enough for him to pursue me in such a way cuz I prefer I would prefer to have a
03:38:57
Brian Atlastraditional type of love but in today's age it's extremely rare well so I would like to bring it back to the whole marriage thing really quick though there are there's a chat coming in I'll let it come through then we'll get right back
03:39:08
TTS/Donationsto it Don $200 okay so hypothetically if there was a prenup that said you get $0 upon divorce would that still be an acceptable commitment of marriage in the
03:39:19
Allisonways they're describing to you too I feel like it's a cop out if you sign a prenup it's like you're already planning for failure oh I see well that's awful
03:39:29
Andrew Wilsonconvenient to say but I wonder this right and of course I already know what your answer will be uh because it's a copout answer but let us assume let us
03:39:40
Andrew Wilsonassume for a moment that the divorce courts were rigged in the favor of men instead of women right and that women were getting screwed over as much as men have gotten screwed over in the last 50
03:39:52
Andrew Wilsonyears inside divorce courts uh would you say then that a woman should protect herself by getting a prenuptual agreement because if she didn't have set agreement then if they did divorce the
03:40:04
Brian Atlasman had all the earning capacity and she doesn't and she needs to protect herself and let me add on to this in this hypothetical scenario men are initiating 80% of the divorce
03:40:17
Andrew Wilsonokay I understand the reason for signing a prup like I understand the reason but can you answer my question right um my question is should if the roles were reversed in this scenario would you
03:40:30
Andrew Wilsonadvise your friend who's a woman to to have a prenuptial agreement so that if a divorce happened and he had all the earning capacity that that she could protect herself I would tell her don't
03:40:41
Andrew Wilsonget married if you can't make that risk if you're not will to the exact advice that I would give to a man in Reverse if a woman is unwilling to sign a prenuptual
03:40:52
Andrew Wilsonagreement uh then don't get married no I mean don't get married if you're debating a prenup because you're right you're saying the same thing I'm saying if you're debating a prenup then don't
03:41:05
Andrew Wilsonget married right okay same thing I'm saying so I would say so I would say that if the woman is willing to sign a prenuptual agreement uh yeah sure get married to
03:41:16
Andrew Wilsonher because then she is offering stake and equal to your own and if she won't sign a prenuptual agreement why get married to her I see what you're saying like if she's not going to leave you
03:41:27
Allisonanyways it wouldn't matter that's right that makes sense I guess how the reason why I wouldn't it's cuz it's like
03:41:38
Allisonyou're you he's making a statement of I trust you so to me it goes a little bit past the like
03:41:46
Andrew Wilsonhow do I say that the like cut and dry it's just well let us let us imagine for a moment let us
03:41:57
Andrew Wilsonassume that there was a bowl of M&M okay and they were all brown &ms 50 to 60 to 70% of them were actually poisonous
03:42:08
Andrew Wilsoncyanide and 30% of them were not poisonous cyanide right however the person tells you listen I'm I have
03:42:19
Andrew Wilsonchecked these M&M's okay I have checked them and here I'm going to hand you one of them for you to eat and I need you to trust me or
03:42:30
Andrew Wilsonoption two is you can take the Eminem and get it laboratory tested right would you say that it's a betrayal of the trust to go and have it lab tested
03:42:40
Andrew Wilsonbefore you eat the M&M I would say it's smart especially in today's dating I would say it's smart yeah to go and get
03:42:50
Allisonthe Eminem tested right however I believe that there is if there is no trust in a relationship then the relationship is not good I want you to
03:43:01
Andrew Wilsonknow that this was cleverly done how you tried to skirt the question you didn't actually answer it though and so to ask you again would you say it's a breach of trust to have the cyanide Eminem the
03:43:13
Andrew Wilsonpossible cyanide Eminem tested even though the person you love said that they already tested it are you actually breaking the trust by having that tested before you eat the
03:43:24
Andrew Wilsonm&o I would say yeah because you're going against the word yes okay so you would take the chance that you would take a cyanide laced &m rather than the
03:43:35
Andrew Wilsonpotential that you might make the other person feel like you've broken their trust I feel like all relationship is risk regardless well okay if all relationship is risk regardless you would you would
03:43:48
Andrew Wilsonagree with me that you're still taking a risk if you uh sign a prenuptual agreement there's still a risk there but I also think that a lot of relationships are designed around the mitigation of
03:43:59
Andrew Wilsonrisk here's one such example do you plan on doing long-term Family Planning when it comes to your children Family Planning yes yes okay is
03:44:11
Andrew Wilsonthat to mitigate risk no it's to ensure that my kids are rais properly and you know that by taking out Risk
03:44:22
Andrew Wilsonby you're taking you're taking you're taking away risk that's how you know that they're like if you're doing long-term Family Planning right then you're saying if I have more money than less money there's less risk less risk