She Tried To MURDER Tinder Date?! E-GIRLS! SUPER Feminist Returns?! NALA SAVED?! | Dating Talk #144

Date: 2024-03-18

Duration: 6h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJulie (DT171)>

KKylie (DT144)>

LLydia (DT144)>

MMatthew (DT145)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Lydia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Julie(guest)

SPEAKER_04Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kylie(guest)

SPEAKER_07Matthew Gallagher(guest)

SPEAKER_09JoJo(guest)

SPEAKER_10Nala(guest)

SPEAKER_12Malia(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces returning guests JoJo, Julie, Malia, Matthew and new guests Nala, Kylie, Madison, and Lydia. Notable: Nala and Kylie arrived late. Lydia is engaged; Julie is in a new LDR since last appearance.

“"without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves"”

ControversyNala (SPEAKER_10) discloses she stabbed a Tinder date twice in the neck in Las Vegas (2021) while off her bipolar/schizophrenia medication. Was in delusional state; told police it was revenge for Soleimani (later disavowed). Spent 6 weeks in jail; pled to 2 counts false imprisonment; serving probation. Brian argues a man in same position would have faced much longer sentence. Nala argues women's prison statistics show they have it harder (disputed).

“"I ended up um harm him and stop him twice in the neck during sex"”

Key MomentBrian argues female privilege in sentencing: Nala got probation for stabbing; a California woman who stabbed her boyfriend 108 times got probation. Brian states a man in the same situation would face significant prison time. Nala challenges this, citing mental health and criminal history context.

“"if we put a man in that woman's position... there would be significantly long prison sentences"”

Key MomentJoJo (returning guest, prior "super feminist" episode) maintains women can be primary victims of war by redefining "victim" as those who suffer most vs those who die most. Brian shows D-Day Into the Jaws of Death photograph. Matthew explains that death is the worst victimhood; widow suffers but soldier is primary victim. JoJo ultimately concedes men are primary casualties but maintains women suffer as victims too.

“"women I'll still stand by you are not saying that I'm still standing by it"”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Matthew asks panel to rate themselves on looks 1-10. Matthew self-rates 7 (currently); potential 8 if in peak shape. Brian: 5 currently; potential 7-7.5. Lydia refuses objective rating ("everyone's a 10 in God's eyes"). Extended debate follows on whether all sinners are equally evil — specifically whether Madison Vu is as evil as Hitler in God's eyes. Lydia: yes (all equally deserving of eternal death).

“"what does everyone rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10"”

ControversyLydia (SPEAKER_02) maintains Hitler and Madison are equally evil in God's eyes (all sinners equally deserving of eternal death). Brian repeatedly presses her to say Hitler is more evil. She concedes Hitler's actions are worse but holds the theological position on equal sinfulness. Matthew (SPEAKER_07) asks if Hitler could go to heaven if he accepted Christ before death. Lydia: yes. Matthew: that doesn't seem right. Eventually someone in the room flatulates, diffusing the tension.

“"who is more evil Madison or Hitler... I think that is that the word you used... equally evil"”

Key MomentBody count round prompted by TTS donation from "Stiffler." JoJo: 8, Julie: 7, Malia: 6, Kylie: 7 (admitted range 10-20 when pressed), Nala: same as prior appearance (8, celibate since incident). Discussion of whether women underreport by factor of 3.

“"we're going to have Madison start on this stiffmeister ask the ladies their body count"”

Key MomentMatthew (SPEAKER_07) discloses divorce details: married 8 years, ex-wife was a hair stylist who moved to LA; got pregnant 2 months after meeting. Paid 4 years of alimony; ex-wife became a millionaire from settlement. Community property law: she got half of gifts he bought himself. If they had been married 10 years, alimony would have been indefinite. Made his last alimony payment this month.

“"I mean she became a millionaire from our divorce"”

Key MomentBrian probes Kylie on her 15-year chaotic relationship (ages 20-32). Partner was bipolar, manic, drug addict, physically violent once, involved in criminality. Got shot in college during police raid over a weed plant. Passed away from overdose ~1 year prior. Kylie had only one other relationship in that period (3 years; rebound; ended mutually). Brian summarizes: she gave her best years (20-34) to a bipolar drug addict.

“"you gave arguably your best years from 20 to 34 to a bipolar chaotic drug addict"”

QuoteBrian states his marriage position as a businessman: "we're businessmen... as a businessman we don't sign contracts that don't benefit us therefore no marriage for the boys."

“"as a businessman we don't sign contracts that don't benefit us therefore no marriage for the boys"”

QuoteBrian plays clip of Nala Ray apparently quitting OnlyFans and takes full credit: "we did it boys we did it we saved one only fans girl one porn star... totally because of the whatever podcast father I'm taking full credit."

“"we saved we saved one only fans girl one porn star it was because obviously totally because of the whatever podcast"”

OtherEnd of show. Brian does outro; plans raid on Eson on Twitch (Grand Theft Auto 5). Matthew plugs watchgang.com; announces special giveaway for viewers on Tuesday episode. 07s in the chat. Show ends ~6:37.

“"07s in the chat good night guys"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Eight guests introduce themselves: JoJo (returning; masters student, international affairs; single 2+ yrs; celibate ~2 yrs), Julie (returning; 25, BC Canada, student + OnlyFans; now in LDR 7 months), Malia (returning; 27, OnlyFans mgmt; single 2.5 yrs), Nala (23, Dallas, business student; mental health advocate; bipolar/schizophrenia; on probation), Kylie (34, FL; bartender/yoga teacher; 1.5 hrs late), Madison (19, SD/SB, Whatever staff + SBCC student), Lydia (21, NC, Students for Life spokesperson; engaged), Matthew (38, LA, CEO watchgang.com; returning; divorced).

Kylie lateness debate

Kylie (SPEAKER_05) arrives 1 hour 30 minutes late. Brian debates accountability, punctuality, and whether women have inherent leeway to be late. Kylie argues men need more patience; Brian disputes this as removing female agency. Nala (SPEAKER_10) also arrived ~1 hour late. TTS donations mock the lateness repeatedly. Discussion pivots to general dating context: is being late on a first date forgivable; how long would you wait at a restaurant. Brian references cell phones enabling flakiness. Kylie eventually goes to the bathroom mid-discussion; conversation continues.

Nala's Las Vegas stabbing incident

Nala (SPEAKER_10) describes stabbing a Tinder date twice in the neck in Las Vegas (2021). Was off bipolar/schizophrenia medication; also under drugs/alcohol. In a delusional/hallucinatory state; told police she did it in revenge for Soleimani (disavowed). Victim survived; wounds were minor; did not go to hospital. Nala spent 6 weeks in jail pending competency hearing. Pled to 2 counts of false imprisonment; 3-5 year probation (no prison time). Brian argues a man in the same situation would have faced much harsher sentencing (female privilege). Nala argues the justice system is context-dependent; cites mental health factors. Debate about women's prisons vs men's prisons: Nala claims women die at higher rates in jail; Brian strongly disputes this; TTS donation later cites PBS study (7% higher mortality rate due to illness/suicide/overdose — not violence).

Women as primary victims of war (JoJo returns)

JoJo (SPEAKER_09) maintains women can be primary victims of war. She redefines "victim" as those who suffer most, not those who die most. Matthew (SPEAKER_07) and Brian (SPEAKER_01) argue men are clearly the primary casualties. Brian shows D-Day photograph (Into the Jaws of Death) — no women in the image. JoJo acknowledges men are the primary casualties but maintains that widows and invaded populations suffer as victims. Matthew: death is the worst victimhood; the widow is a victim but the dead soldier is the primary victim. Debate reaches qualified agreement.

Pro-life vs pro-choice debate

Lydia (SPEAKER_02) presents pro-life position as spokesperson for Students for Life of America. Brings model fetal development props; throws one toward Brian at end. Brian and Matthew take more neutral/devil's advocate positions. Julie (SPEAKER_03) raises abortion pills and women knowing what they are doing. Lydia: women who knowingly abort should be held accountable. Brian proposes artificial wombs as compromise; panel mixed. Catholic TTS donation chimes in with faith-based argument. Brian identifies as Catholic and does not believe in reincarnation.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Matthew (SPEAKER_07) asks panel to rate themselves on looks 1-10. Matthew: 7 (currently); potential 8 if in peak shape/ripped. Brian: 5 (currently; potential 7-7.5 in prime shape). Lydia (SPEAKER_02): "everybody's a 10 in God's eyes" — refuses objective rating. Discussion of what "objective" vs "subjective" attractiveness means. Brian presses with Hitler vs Madison Vu: are they equally evil in God's eyes? Lydia maintains all sinners are equally deserving of Eternal death. Extended theological debate about sin, evil, and whether Hitler could go to heaven if he accepted Christ before death.

Body count round

Brian asks panel for body counts (prompted by Stiffler TTS donation). Results: JoJo (SPEAKER_09): 8 (same as prior appearance). Julie (SPEAKER_03): 7. Malia (SPEAKER_12): 6. Kylie (SPEAKER_05): 7 (stated first); range confirmed 10-20 when pressed. Nala (SPEAKER_10): same as prior appearance (8, celibate since incident). Lydia (SPEAKER_02): not stated (engaged Christian; body count discussion deflected to faith). Matthew: declined (not required for males on this question). Discussion follows on whether women lie about body count; whether men care about body count is insecure or a valid preference.

Marriage, alimony, and divorce laws

Matthew (SPEAKER_07) shares his divorce experience: married 8 years, 2 kids, paid 4 years of alimony, ex-wife (former hair stylist) became a millionaire. Community property law: she got half of gifts he bought himself. Brian: California divorce laws disincentivize men from marrying; 80% of divorces initiated by women. Lydia (SPEAKER_02) argues marriage provides stability and security for women; security for men too. Brian: marriage gives women financial incentive to leave; no equivalent incentive to stay. Matthew: would not get married again; dates for connection without needing marriage. JoJo (SPEAKER_09): would not change her last name; does not care about marriage either way. Discussion of prenups; attorney financial incentives; community property quirks.

Kylie's 15-year relationship and chaotic ex

Brian probes Kylie (SPEAKER_05) on her 15-year on/off relationship with a bipolar man. They met at 14 (friends in high school), dated from college (age 20) to 32. Three breakups; she initiated last two, he initiated the middle one. He was bipolar (undiagnosed), manic, made bad decisions: got shot in college during police raid over a weed plant; physical violence with Kylie once; involved in criminality; drug addiction. Passed away from overdose ~1 year before this taping. Kylie had one other relationship (3 years; rebound from high school friend; ended due to stagnation and dead bedroom). Brian: she gave her best years (20-34) to a chaotic drug addict. Now in a 10-month talking stage with a man who returned from oil rig work in Texas.

Does men disliking challenges in dating make them beta?

Twitter post debated: "men don't want soft feminine women — they want bold dominant women who are submissive for them." Brian disagrees: he does not want a woman who plays hard to get or is a challenge. Nala (SPEAKER_10) argues that playing hard to get creates more excitement (hunter-gatherer). Brian: Proverbs 21:19 ("better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome wife"). Matthew (SPEAKER_07): men like conquest; the challenge aspect makes some sense. Lydia (SPEAKER_02): going to take her husband's last name; finds independence compatible with femininity. Brian: the most alpha men have women throwing themselves at them; the chase is a waste of time. "Play hard to get, quickly become hard to want."

Nala Ray "SAVED" — OnlyFans quit announcement

Brian plays a clip of prior Whatever guest Nala Ray (not present in studio) apparently quitting OnlyFans. Brian takes full credit for this decision on behalf of the Whatever Podcast. Panel reacts. Brian then discusses OnlyFans with Julie (SPEAKER_03): what it would take for Julie to quit. Julie: equivalent-paying legitimate job. Works enough hours to pay rent and fund school. Does not do custom/DM content; just posts. Boyfriend does not subscribe; she has not asked him. Does not want to do OnlyFans forever; plans to use degree after graduation.

Transcript

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Kylielike so I'm just saying if you met a guy and you really liked him and you thought he was a prospect and if he straight up asked you if you're sleeping with

Kyliesomebody else or like what you do for work if you had a feeling that he wouldn't approve of it right away would like a lot of girls say that they would

Kylietell would tell him but I don't I feel like women are who are out looking for a partner are going to be in like what yeah they lie yeah cuz you're in like a

JoJoI just assume the majority of the women that I go out with have an only fans that's crazy only only like 2% 1 to 2% of the population I would absolutely never they probably have it and I I just

Matthew Gallagherdon't even I don't care I don't ask I wouldn't it wouldn't bother me though because I'm well yeah I'm not dating for like I'm not trying to find a wife so I'm just like I'm dating and I don't

Matthew Gallaghergive a [ __ ] what are you dating for um entertainment cuz like I to me bro he's I I would love to like you know

Matthew Gallagherfind somebody that uh I would you know commit to and be with for a long period of time but I don't need a wife or more kids or anything like that if you're not but if you're not dating for marriage you're essentially dating for

Lydiaheartbreak whose heartbreak my own or yeah do you not like put any actual love into your relationship course yeah I could be completely in love with somebody and if you're not dating them with the intent to if they're suitable get married then aren't you just dating

Matthew Gallagherto I don't necessarily agree with marriage in general I don't think that it's a it doesn't really benefit most guys at all like I understand like for a woman like if you are let's say that you

Matthew Gallagherare uh you dedicated yourself to being a good mom and a house maker and all that you have no assurances then if you don't have a marriage if you don't have a contract because if the guy just decides to leave you and you have no money or no

Matthew Gallagherskills you're kind of screwed so I understand marriage in that regard but I still don't quite the government involved aspect of it that yeah like having a contract in general like I went through it and you know I've there are a

Lydialot of uh so you hypocrisies happening there and it's not quite beneficial to me you know does like so the idea of like a contract is what is what like

Lydiaif you if you look at everything through a Christian's worldview like you can't uh it just doesn't make sense to have those conversations with people if we're not looking at a Christian worldview like what is like if let's say for

Matthew Gallagherinstance there's no God like at at the very least your goal in life should be more than just fine pleasure and I disagree I think that it can be whatever you want that brings you happiness and doesn't hurt other people I don't think

Matthew Gallagherthat you have to have a greater purpose I like the idea of procreating having kids and like that's for me personally a a wonderful aspect of my life but I do not give a [ __ ] if somebody else shares that wait let me ask you a question that

Brian Atlasperhaps can address the question that you just asked him so if we REM remove religion from this what can a man get from Marriage that he can't get from just having a long-term relationship

Brian Atlaswith a woman you can still be monogamous you can still have children you can still stay with them for the rest of your lives what do you get from Marriage that you can't just get from long-term relationship I think like being able to

Lydiasleep at night knowing that you have a sense of stability that your significant other won't just like leave you like there's some sort of contract between you where you know that they're fully committed to you well people get divorced all the time I I do not support

Brian AtlasI mean obviously there's cases where like abusive uh spouses that's bad but like people get divorced for a variety of reasons there could be no abuse in the relationship makes it harder for

Brian Atlasthat though at least so basically your argument for marriage is it's basically the state at gunpoint like saying stay together because it's harder no it's not the cuz you're choosing to do it like

Lydiayes obviously there is that aspect but like you're still choosing to get married even though the government is involved like I I would like that I would like to be in a relationship where I know I've done everything I can to make sure I'm in a committed

Brian Atlasrelationship for the rest of my life like I so as a woman you feel more stable as a man we feel less stable I actually think the relation all men feel like that I think if you're married as a man and

Brian Atlasyou're the bread winner it necessarily means that that relationship is less stable because there's a now a financial incentive Rel

TTS Donation Reader$100 is ghosting ignoring others romantic or platonic relationship ever justifiable or is there a better way of letting someone know you don't want them

Brian Atlasin your life and hope they die all go away okay hold on we we'll answer that really quick we're going to we'll come back to the marriage thing here in just a sec so okay um is ghosting ignoring

Brian Atlasothers romantic platonic uh I think it can be justifiable but if you can let someone know in a diplomatic way that you no longer want to talk to them I think that's totally fine any other thoughts on that I agree completely you

Nalait depends on how long you've been saying them to if it was just one dat and you're like actually I don't really like you if it's a early on I don't need a break up text you're good like your case earlier with if they don't show up ghost them I don't like that makes sense

Brian Atlasto me yeah I mean if if you can end something and I think it's it's it's nice of you

Brian Atlasto do I don't think you have to do it but yeah Madison I said word oh word word um

NalaBas yeah I mean like you said though I think it I think you did make a good point obviously it depends like how long you you knew the person you data somebody for 3 years and you don't want

Brian Atlasto see any it kind of to kind of although I'm sure we could all agree if there's concern over safety then it could very well be justified even for that you could text that in a diplomatic

Nalaway you could not even reference that but just you could you could let them know you know it might trigger them to do no I was like you probably don't want to mention that but like a simple like five sentence word like that

Brian Atlascommunicates we were no longer together like and actually after further thought in the past 5 Seconds you could actually perhaps make an argument that ghosting could actually present a safety concern

Brian Atlastoo because they might feel uh disrespected or they might oh they might like show up to your house what happened are you okay and then so maybe it's

Matthew Gallagherbetter to just have a conversation let them know it could be simple like short just you know let them know I had a recent like I was respectful and I was like hey it's not going to work for me I

Matthew Gallagherthink we have a miscommunication uh problem here and I would have been so much better off I just ghosted really she was so awful like she did she how how long were you dating this girl I mean it was so casual it was like a

Matthew Gallaghercouple times she was a nagger uh not quite uh I would just say very expected a lot did she want like a three-hour closure conversation I I was called the

Matthew Gallagherworst person in Los Angeles and like just I saw it and I was like a you know okay that sucks she yeah I mean I understand she maybe felt hurt about it but uh I I didn't I didn't respond to

Brian Atlasthat you know what if ghosting her and she like came after you even more though that type of woman ghosting her would have been worse speaking wait so was this in person or on the phone call text it was a

Brian Atlastext [ __ ] you've been dating for two years text crazy text no okay um thank you for the uh TTS there uh so okay going back to the marriage thing can I

Nalaadd something on the marriage thing or maybe sure um I I get what she's saying and you know 100% you can get a divorce like legally yeah but I think it's more of like a culture or like honor System

Nalain a way and I think it's applicable for both men and women you know it's not the fact that you sign a physical contract it's not the legality of it it's the tradition of it or the fact that you could say we're married that's I feel

Nalalike it like kind of makes it more committed in a way but I know legally yeah you can definitely do that but you know romanticized cult TR is more of like a honor but also like if someone is

Lydiawilling to like marry you on paper it probably means they're not planning to leave you like there are I've I've dated terrible awful guys before I met my fiance in high school where they would like basically manipulate me by being

Lydialike Oh I'll stay with you forever we're going to get married all this stuff that yes I was gooble to believe but like you can't like really know for I mean you can kind of know but like you know for sure when someone like says I'm going to

Lydiamarry you I'm going to propose to you we're going to get me married and actually does it that's how you know they're really serious cuz unfortunately we do live in a culture where people lie and manipulate others into doing things

Brian Atlaswell do you do you think when people get married that they're like that they're they're going into it like thinking that it's going end like can you can you conceive a world where

Brian Atlastwo people get married they have the full intention of going the distance they love each other the relationship's great and then maybe something happens maybe things change and then they get

Brian Atlasdivorced and there was no abuse maybe the woman gets bored maybe the guy wants to [ __ ] a bunch of chicks in La just kidding just kidding just

Brian Atlaskidding just kidding I'm kidding I'm kidding um but like marriage to me it's like it's two people staying together under threat of a lawsuit from the other so what do you and usually the man loses

Matthew Gallagherthat that is true do so do you have any um thoughts around let's say if a woman does commit her life to you and being like a good partner and Mom or whatever I mean theoretically you could walk away

Matthew Gallagherand leave her with no life skills or security right do you believe that that's a moral issue or a legal issue I don't think it should I you don't think the government should get involved at all there there are no guarantees for

Brian Atlasher if she' you know what I mean if she'd sacrificed having a career or whatever it I I would say that that's a tough it is it is a fair argument it is a fair argument for alimony right right

Brian Atlasuh in a situation where she's completely you know uh in in an effort to you know help you she's disregarded pursuing her

Brian Atlascareer you were the sole bread winner she had kids with you there could there's conceivable argument that there are some scenarios

Brian Atlaswhere alimony is Justified right but let's say for example like the way the law currently is let's say she got a

Brian Atlascollege degree and let's say she could re-enter the workforce and get uh high

Brian Atlasfive figure or even a six- figure job there the the law as it currently is she would still be eligible for alimony

Brian Atlasdespite her earning potential I know so you know yeah well actually what can you tell us a bit about your own experience I mean I made my last alimony payment this month it was you guys were married

Matthew Gallagherfor eight years so in California it's half the time married unless it goes to 10 years and then it's indefinite it's up to the judge after 10 years if we had been marri yep if we had been married

Matthew Gallagherfor 10 years it would be an indefinite amount of alimony uh up to the judge and um that payment was assessed based on my earnings of course but

Matthew Gallagheralso uh there there were no like stipulations about her needing to work ever right so like those payments are coming out and like she just doesn't have to work and she hasn't worked ever

Matthew Gallagherso so and you you so you paid alimony for 4 years yeah four years okay uh she didn't work the whole time I no not since we even got together we got I mean I met her she got pregnant like two

Matthew Gallaghermonths later oh yeah wow yeah like in the marriage But like after like is there a reason why she didn't I wanted her to be a good mom and just stay you know like I mean it's not like asked me hey should I go work she was like hey

Nalawhat do you think about me being a state home mom like I love it also like she left her job and even though she has like potential to go back in the job market that's the for how many many years that is like yeah I look you know

Matthew Gallagherthe only quarrel I really have with the what transpired there like I'm okay with the alimony the child support of course um I mean even though we are 50/50 uh

Matthew Gallagherand I still anyway um the the hypocritical things that happen especially in California like if I had let's say bought her a gift like a watch yeah and on that same day I bought

Matthew Gallaghermyself that watch or a different watch um when we divorce uh she gets her watch and half of my watch and that just doesn't make any sense to me right at all community property yeah yeah like if

Matthew GallagherI got myself something like she gets half of it it's a weird thing and so interesting I didn't know that yeah it's odd and I had that conversation like how how old were you and how old was she when you guys met I was 25 and she was

Brian Atlas23 had she gotten like a bachelor's degree from college or anything no no college education a trade what was she like when you met her was she working uh

Matthew Gallaghershe was cutting hair oh so she okay we met on an airplane and she was moving to La she's a hairdresser yeah hair stylist

Brian Atlasum well I mean does your that's actually an interesting one because I mean the career trajectory like if you've been doing

Brian Atlascutting hair for a long enough period of time like is that something where like you know there's not like much uh what's it called uh like corporate growth or like you're not like you're not climbing

Brian Atlasa ladder yeah so it's like your your income at 30 years of age as a hair stylist probably doesn't differ that much from at 50 years of age assuming you've continued working for that entire

Brian Atlasduration of time obviously you know cost of living over the 20 years inflation but like maybe you increase your prices a little bit over that period of time you can be a business owner open

Brian Atlasmultiple stor but it's like she could jump right like that's not like she could have jumped right once you get divorced you could jump right back into being an air stylist so like I'm not sure how much D

Nalamoney is but if you calculate what like an average money she would earn for the four years plus some kind of compensation for like um

Nalalike like taking care of the child and stuff like does that amount compensation like funds money I mean I took care my kids too I don't get compensated for it right okay let's just like not even like the four years of four years of working

Nalaof what average you would think she would make is that more or less of what you paid for the Alam money I no her settlement was way more than she would have ever earned in her life oh just curious yeah I'm not saying that I

Matthew Gallaghernecessarily disagree with it because I was poor when we met also and so like that buildup was um partially attributed to like our relationship and me me being able to focus on that while she is a

Matthew Gallaghergood mom like that was important to me and I'm totally fine with that actually yeah sounds like you need a better divorce attorney no you know we didn't actually hire attorneys we just did like the mediator we got one lawyer between

Matthew Gallagherus and we agreed on most things there were just like things like with the watch to gift I thought that was kind of uh not very I don't like saying fair but it didn't seem very fair well it was not

Nalafair like but weren't you also the one who initiated the okay so I mean I'm not trying to say like if if that is your preference and like you didn't see the

Nalarelationship going that's cool but also like I feel like whoever is initi initiating the like divorce or breakup or whatever should kind of like be expecting that you might not get the best situation out of it but you'll I

Naladon't hate that perspective about it yeah what about the like the women that are initiating divorce right yeah should they get any alimon I mean I honestly don't even know

Matthew Gallagherthat much about alimon and stuff but like to me whoever lifestyle right taxs on the guy it's like she lived a certain way and he has to keep that up for her

Lydiaat some or for some number of years right also still taking care of your children right do you regret getting married no not at all

Lydiaso so then what so what what let like was it just a dysfunctional relationship and then afterwards you were like this can't work anymore yeah I mean we our kids were little uh and when we were

Matthew Gallagherfighting a lot and so it it was like I was re I was reliving some stuff like when I was a kid thinking about the promises I made where I was like I'm never going to you know do this to my kids or whatever and then I saw that

Matthew Gallagherhappening and I'm like all right I'm just I think this is a good like yeah and and look to be honest she's a great person um I would never say anything bad about her but we are not compatible and when you when you have a kid with somebody you've known for a month it's

Brian Atlaslike you know how much do you know somebody after one month yeah you know so I got a couple questions for you and um if any of these you're not comfortable answering that's tottally

TTS Donation Readerfine rigin donated $100 fun fact women instigate 70% of divorces interesting in it in it in it

Nalayeah but when when a woman gets divorced like depending on what age she is she's probably out of her prime so to be able to marry back it is possible but men have a lot better opportunities for

Nalaremarriage and plus like what is considered Prime for men is older than women so they might have already lost their like I mean you you can remarry but you know I feel like that kind not that that justifies it but you know I

Brian Atlasfeel like that I mean if that were the case why are women I actually heard the numbers as high as 80% of divorces are initiated by women but a couple questions for you um so four years of

Matthew Gallagheralimony correct um I don't know if you're comfortable sharing the amount if not I mean I I won't share the exact amount but I mean she became a millionaire from our

Naladivorce W so she was a hairdresser yeah damn have you seen Elon musk's like divorc out of on like she like he married a

Nalawoman and then divorced her and then he had to pay some large amount of money and then he married her again and then got divorced again so I was just like what I mean like yoce I think honestly

Brian Atlasif conservatives want to see more people get married you got to [ __ ] rework this these [ __ ] [ __ ] laws you want to make you want to make it easier for them to

Brian Atlasget divorced basically it's what you're asking conservatives to do no actually if there was less of a financial incentive for women to get divorced perhaps they'd be less likely to do it so so you're going from like the the

Lydiamale perspective you want to make it easier for men to want to get married and less convenient for a woman to want to get married cuz you're you're basically saying it's less convenient for a woman

Lydiato marry the man she loves because she stands to get less in a divorce is that your argument no because why would a woman feel comfortable to become a stay-at-home mom if she knows she's going to be left in the in the dust if

Brian Atlassomething happens how about this I'll get i'll grant you that in certain scenarios where if she genuinely like gives up her career to get married then there's certainly case and to raise children and she would have otherwise

Brian Atlaselevated in the corporate world world or whatever and she would have been earning this much but she didn't I think it there should be some calculus some sort of mathematical analysis on the basis of

Brian Atlaswhat she would have earned because it's crazy in his situation where you take a hairdresser and he's made her a millionaire but ridiculous you can't

Lydiaknow if she like cuz didn't you say you started you you both started off with not I think you said that right yeah I was very poor right so she started off not maybe not the same but like in similar circumstances and who knows if

TTS Donation Readershe might not be likely but she could have eventually become something big too got to empower women just because we're women we can do big things Nikelodeon donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 guess how many of the top 10 women billionaires are selfmade most are from divorce or inherited men value love women love value interesting that's a

Brian Atlasgood Nickelodeon that's a good one uh okay wait so I actually going back to one of my earlier conversations with with uh um I was asking

Brian Atlasso what do men get from Marriage that they can't get from a long-term monogamous committed relationship and I think you said well the stability of the

Brian Atlasrelationship correct and I I was making the point before TTS came in that well is it is it more stable for the relationship because I would argue that

Brian Atlasit could actually be more stable for the relationship to not give wom women this big incentive to get divorced which is a financial incentive so the incentive for her to

Brian Atlasstay in the divorce mind you 80% of divorces are initiated by women would be to continue receiving the provider benefits of her husband to be clear I

Lydiadon't I don't think that women should take advantage of uh a divorce and like steal intentionally steal amount of money but I I do think that the do you think his situation was fair I

Brian Atlaswould I don't you have to the case okay sorry well you you don't think well that may be all well and good but let's say there's a perfectly innocent and

Brian Atlaswell-intentioned and perhaps naive woman divorce is a rather complicated legal process isn't it sorry it what's it is is divorce a

Brian Atlascomplicated legal process do you need an attorney for that usually yes okay now let's let's assume she's even a Christian woman a devout Christian woman

Brian Atlasbut let's assume her attorney isn't what's it what's the purpose of an attorney to make money right like as a career path basically they are desirous

Brian Atlasof making money now question for you uh I don't know if it's like build hourly is there ever a scenario where like the bigger the more

Matthew Gallaghermoney like the the the attorney can get some of the money yeah so they generally will work on uh either contingency where they'll take a third of everything or

Matthew Gallagherthey bill you hourly against a retainer but so in divorce proceedings they can work on cont if I had my own attorney and she had her own which that's not the path we went down right okay then my her

Brian Atlasattorney would have taken a third of her settlement so they the attorney has a financial incentive to siphon as much money from you as possible and additionally uh if you did have an attorney would have had to pay for her

Brian Atlasattorney and your own attorney correct yeah because all the funds and their billable hours the more hours they work they can build if they're pay if they're being paid hourly so then even if the

Brian Atlaswoman that you marry is a devout Christian woman if she goes to an attorney whose job it is to siphon as much money as possible from the husband

Brian Atlasand who who perhaps is unscrupulous in their lawyering well you get [ __ ] anyways regardless of how Pious or I'm not saying that's a good thing I'm not

Lydiasaying I support that system it's it's unfortunate but like I just think the underlying issue is that people are going into marriage marriage thinking what what can they get out of it and a and a real loving marriage is about what

Lydiacan I give to this other person and I think that's why I mean our culture is so self focused that's like it's to it's honestly sad like I ask someone like what is your purpose they're like I don't know I guess just pleasure and so

Lydiawe're seeing like this and marriages people are getting divorced cuz it's it's all about them and it's not about and I'm not saying you should stay with someone that's abusive but I I do think that this self-focused culture is

Lydiacontributing to um a higher divorce rate or just people not even getting married at all because it's all about what they can get out of life and what they can get out of the other person instead of what unconditional love can they show to

Brian Atlasthem and so there's no such thing as unconditional love just going to say that there's no such thing from God there is but I was about to say God don't forget about God Jesus died for the people that killed him so on the

Brian AtlasEarthly plane yeah and then he sent them straight to hell so I don't know how much I want to be loved by he he offered them eternal life wait so just to bring it back to

Brian Atlasthe original argument so your position was that marriage incentivizes it makes it harder to get divorced or it makes it harder to I don't like I know that the divorce process is messed up I'm not

Lydiasaying I agree with all of that but I I do like that there are systems in place that discourage you from getting married or from getting divorced sorry not no but it it it doesn't really discourage

Lydiawomen at all perhaps the process is more complicated but if there's a financial incentive well I don't I don't think there should be a financial incentive I don't like if if a woman is a

Lydiastay-at-home mom even if she's going to make a little bit of money out of it I don't think she's going to want to get out of a marriage if if uh if it means she's going to have to go to work for the rest of her life like I they do all

Lydiathe time women get out of women initiate and and I think and I think that's bad like if a woman is trying to abuse a divorce that's terrible and there we should do more but let's say there let's

Brian Atlassay the again let's say the woman isn't even she she still has amicable feelings towards her uh soon to be devor uh you know uh

Brian Atlasex-husband she's going to get a lawyer who have issues not only that let if we're talking about religion when it comes to divorce your religion is not

Brian Atlasgoing to p uh the religion is not going to oversee the divorce the state does right but and again I'm not I'm not saying that it's good that anyone is

Lydiabeing taken advantage of whether it be by uh the legal system or by the wife either way it's bad I just think that there should be something in place to um

Lydiagive women Financial Security so that they can sleep at night in their marriage and not have to worry about their husband w W up in the morning and leaving them and never seeing them again and not I mean that's far more rare than women leaving I'm not I'm not saying it

Lydiaisn't but I think that either way it's wrong either way and and that's why that's why marriage is great is because when I'm married when I get married in July I can go happily to sleep every night and not have to worry that my

Nalahusband will just leave me does your husband have money yes I mean are you signing a prenup no sign it get it but also like like it's not that marriage as

Nalaan institution or as a culture is the problem if you look at like different countries like um I don't know like Iran India or different like countries that

Nalado have like the same cultural um emphasis on marriage and staying in those committed relationships you see a lot lower divorce rates and I'm not saying that like some of like all the

Nalarelationships that do stay married are perfect I'm just saying that the cultural aspect social media and the way people people are just like interacting and what is cool and what is hip or like

Nalanormalizing divorces even in like Tik Tok and like media is kind of like the root cause of everything so it's not that so I think that's why I think like her and her husband will probably be very successful as a couple because they

Nalaprobably don't really are in are not influenced by like the media or like the ways culturally in the 2024 check in 20 years and see uh how it's going but uh

Brian AtlasI'll come back and we're we're talking a lot about women's security what about men's security we don't it's men are so often ignored in this

Kylieconversation but uh yeah boys don't get married don't get married what like what are your security requirements like what is it that oh my

Nalasecurity is us not getting married a woman we're not getting that's my security so are youing for a relationship just like bullet points but like that's a totally marriage yeah I'm

Nalajust like the reason why I'm asking you is like because I'm pretty sure whatever you list like some of it you would want some kind of security on it maybe it's a monogamous like intimacy partner so and how is how does marriage guarantee me

Nalaany of those things like I said it doesn't guarantee it you can still get divorced but it's kind of like an honor System or like the way it's like honor System it deters you from getting divorced it's not that a guarantees that

Lydiabut you know it's just the way people feel they're oh my gosh I got married and they feel more committed into it than somebody else it deters women too like a lot of women like outside of the financial reasons a lot of people don't

Lydiawant to get divorced because they're it's awkward like no one want like awkward yeah that's stopping a lot of I'm not necessarily saying we should shame divorce people but like there is

Kylielike um the pump and Circumstance of having like a wedding and like your family and friends show up like reputation wise because it creates a community to support a marriage and and

TTS Donation Readerit it is uplifting like let's just say you were in a relationship and it was everything you want just not a marriage

TTS Donation Readermay not donated $100. 199 cents sorry also wo was my wife my wife Brian what what

Brian Atlasthat uh okay okay who is that like a song or something I mean sorry man I'll take a look at it on my end but I might not be if you even if you don't get like

Lydiamarried and state eyes if you like found yourself in a committed relationship would you like want like a a fake wedding where like it's not anything like where you're like ceremony pledging yourself to someone so expensive how much how much is that 50,000 you could

Lydiado a cheap wedding how what's a cheap wedding to you subjective but I mean you could do one for like hundred bucks you go to Vegas go to Vegas yeah go to Vegas like or do a fun one your

Lydiamoney weddings they're amazing they're fun you can come to mine if you want just Kidd oh my God he's invited no probably not tools I promise wait there won't be any what there won't be any

Brian Atlasabortion tools I promise oh thank you probably I was going to say I don't know she [ __ ] goes up to the altar

Brian Atlasthe the [ __ ] priest baby together her vows her vows and I I promise to always pull out abortion tools at the

Lydiamost inopportune times like during my wedding I bring them everywhere it's it's my wedding check out this clamp and miniature baby does anyone think you're

Lydialike really instead instead of throwing the I brought him on my speaking tour and I like spoke at a Podium and I like whipped out in the middle and people were like right I was going I was going to say instead of like you throwing what's it called when you throw the

Lydiabouquet you throw the the little miniature Baby Oh My Hope i c it people eat them so that wouldn't be the worst thing that happened we've had six of those fetal

Lydiamodels eaten this past year and that's the we've had we've had legit people swallow them sorry oh so we can have one of those on that's not the right baby that's kind of crazy that's the wrong

Brian Atlasbaby I actually got for what the sing the rules all right man L Chuck it like a bouquet actually wait maybe that's a bad idea just like do a gentle one so it

Brian Atlasjust Falls no don't throw it it don't throw it to Nick just make it fall like the ground behind you without holy [ __ ] bro that [ __ ] baby came out of nowhere wait

Brian AtlasGustavo catch oh my God she a good catch sweet dude that's still better than what happens in abortion though this is why she thinks we're all evil I just want to

Julieall right actually Julie can I have you read these chats sure okay there is a reason there is a 50% divorce rate women become unhappy easily the there is a

Brian Atlascomfort in knowing your partner isn't going to leave is pure nonsense there's I think there's an incentive for men to stay there's an incentive for women to

Nalaleave financially but also you're like under the interpretation of women only think about money and like I didn't say that I mean if you stay with them you get all their money so I'm just saying I mean

Matthew Gallagherthere's a reason that the stats are like 70 80% are initiated women typically are I mean if they have the security of getting financially taken care of and they're looking for a better option and they find find it then they get the best

Lydiaof both worlds I mean that's a sad situation for the guy and that's the vast majority of divorces we have you think a vast majority of divorces are are women trying to take advantage of

Matthew Gallaghertheir husbands no the vast majority initiated by women because they have generally found a better option like what do you mean a better option like women are women are always looking for their best possible mate so you're

Matthew Gallaghersaying that all of those women initiated divorces are because they found a better guy uh or thought that they could get something better I'm not they didn't generally do it because they want to be sitting alone yeah I mean that's all

Lydiathese women get or most of them getting divorces are getting them because they are like oh I can find something find a better guy why else are they doing it but you think that all of them are from abusive relationships or not abusive but like dysfunctional relationships what's

Matthew Gallagherdysfunctional like infidelity they get bored or Bor to say it's boring maybe you know just not exciting yeah like fighting infidelity any anything like

Brian Atlasthat we have a a cohort of women here let's go around the table on this so I think most of none of you married but you've all been in relationships perhaps

Brian Atlasthose relationships have ended um just curious on so two things uh here I'll go around twice actually more often than not have you ended things with a guy and

Brian Atlasagain this could be like you've been dating for three years or three weeks I only had one boyfriend and I ended you ended it what about you they ended they ended it mhm all how many times the that fiveyear relationship five year

Nalarelationship he ended it okay both of mine were mutual Mutual what about you there were just kind of like I was moving around in different cities so it was just like I don't it wasn't going to work out and I don't do long Lance so

Brian Atlasokay I don't know I think I already went but I ended you ended yeah both of them yeah okay I had one boyfriend prior to Frankie and I

Lydiaended it what about you oh my past relationships were barely even relationships they were just disasters of guys giving me attention and thinking that it was love and so I don't even

Lydiareally honestly know who ended it it just like ended up with me sneaking out and sneaking back in and crying and it is bad I had really bad what do you mean sneaking out sneaking so I was really

Lydiasheltered growing up so I so this is all back in high school cuz I met my current fiance in high school how old am I I'm 21 yeah I'm young um but so I was really

Lydiasheltered and I had like a bad experience where my parents like caught me dating someone in middle school so I never talked to them about any relationships after that to clarify I love my parents but I was like terrified of talking to them about relationships

Lydiaand so I hit everything from them and in high school um y'all are going to think this is really weird so I was like Shel to the point where I wasn't allowed to have like they tracked my phone and

Lydiastuff like that and for Christmas I opened my stocking and there's a slip that says you get Snapchat like oh my God oh my God yeah I

Lydiawas I was that really sheltered girl and I made I made the I like thought it was like this innocent app where I could add like anyone I knew and they they wouldn't no guy would ever ask anything terrible of me on there right and I was

Lydiajust like really naive and thought that if a guy was giving me attention that ad meant that he loved me and so I started talking to these guys in high school and they were pressuring me in oh you're not losing your virginity you can do this

Lydiathat and ended up sneaking me out of my house like from the Second Story of my house I'm not even kidding in the middle of the night before my parents would know um and they would like drive me to

Lydiatheir house and like pressure me into it was bad and like one of them was even like pushing not abusive but pushing and um it was just really it was awful and it like every single time I would do it

LydiaI would like it was almost like a mental competition like I can make him love me and then I always just ended up feeling more empty and so I would end up like crying sneaking back into my house and it was awful and

Lydialuckily I did meet my fiance as a friend during that time in a really weird online way and and thought nothing would come out of it and it took me giving all that up and rededicating my life to Christ and putting my identity and

LydiaChrist and not male attention that really who broke up with who that's the thing I don't even remember sorry I sorry I like really went off sorry I gave you my whole life

Lydiastory but I don't even know it was more like my God who the hell cares we like would just like fight and he would just say

Lydiaawful things about me and then so you dated what three guys three guys it I mean I talked to a lot of guys there were only like two more serious ones but again it was like nothing

Lydiaofficial so wait two more serious ones yeah who who ended it I don't this was she it was you just say it was you no it wasn't it really wasn't I think it was more so him it was me like just being

Brian Atlasdistraught like knowing that it would end and then him just like never talking to me again it was pretty awful uh Matt of the girls you've dated more often than not are you ending things or is the girl ending things usually me I would

Brian Atlassay oh look at this chat over look at this [ __ ] Legend over here um I my own experience more often than not it and I've heard from a lot of men on this uh it does seem to be the case that in

JoJodivorce but also even in relationship ship women more often than not end relationships for the same reasons probably you always POS your questions though every time someone said oh I broke up with my ex or whatever you're

Brian Atlaslike why' he break up with you that's how you always oh that's just memes that's just funny guy but it is interesting that women often say that men are scared of commitment men are commitment phobic but when you finally

Brian Atlasdo get commitment whether in a long-term relationship or marriage occurs to me that generally speaking women tend to overwhelmingly and and these relationships whether marriage or

Brian Atlaslongterm uh let's see we have a couple chats here we need to get through Julie wait did I Julie can you read this one Jay dog

Julieyou got this to mirror what sorry how do I say your name is that not you niod Nickelodeon go go go Oh I thought it was you my bad okay deir toir what Nickelodeon said 98 of the top 100

Julieworld's richest women in 2014 got their wealth by divorcing their husbands only two earned it oh I think we've read that one my bad uh Nick did you have that

Brian Atlaspulled up I pulled up something different me to find that one I think there's like some list that's like how the richest people got their wealth and

Julieit Compares men women um if you can find it that's fine uh Julie can you read this one the stability of future Generations is what men get from Marriage Brian the woman that will be 65 and surrounded by

Brian Atlascats will have a counterpart and that's going to be lonely men in a Lost Society again so let's say Society

Brian Atlasspeaking we did away with marriage you could have the same exact familial structure monogamy staying together for the rest

Brian Atlasof your life you don't need marriage for that so the stability of future generation s has nothing to do with

Brian Atlasmarriage there's more stability in a marriage though I would argue there's less stability there's more stability for the woman less stability for the man so it's

Lydiaall about you and the relationship Yes actually it is yes it is all about me this is why Society is failing yeah we all it's VI Versa we're

Brian Atlasall just worried about ourselves not willing to make okay I'm being a little fous here but tell the truth that's what that's what everybody does yes you looking out for your best

Brian Atlasinterest I'm looking at for my yeah okay you can cap at least I can stand up and say yes I am self-interested you can lie I think that I am sometimes but that doesn't mean I have to exclusively be

Lydiaself like if I'm an abusive relationship I'm not going to stay in it to please him like I'm going to leave cuz that's not safe for me but there's a healthy balance of caring for others and putting others before yourself and I think

Brian Atlasthat's a a huge value that is lacking in society where we're putting ourselves above others and I don't think that's good I'm just failing to see how like this self-interest component has anything to do when it comes to marriage

Lydiacuz your your whole argument is that because it's not financially great for you you're going to refuse to get involved with it even though it might be better um for your wife and I don't necessarily that's right call me selfish

Brian Atlasif you want okay I yeah people are going to always prioritize themselves that's the nature that's such a pessimistic look on life

Matthew Gallaghereverything you do even the selfless things are still self- serving I I agree when you're not a Christian I no even when you're a Christian because you've chosen that you want that lifestyle you want to follow Christ that's a desire that you have no it's it's selfless

Lydiabecause I'm choosing to live my life for God for instance there are sometimes where I have thoughts where I want to do things for myself or I want to go and But ultimately what do you want to be a good follower of Christ so right well

Lydiait's not always it's not always I'm not being a Christian is not easy like there are days when I'm like wow everyone is out there partying and I feel like really lame that I'm you would rather

Lydiait's be a good Christian not necessarily cuz I not even because my desires are asking that but because um Christ has transform my heart and and to choosing him it's not me when I choose to do

Lydiasomething good it's not it's not me and myself that's choosing it it's God working through me that's allowing me to choose to do good I understand I was raised religious I was Christian like most of my life are you an atheist now I

Matthew Gallagheragnostic I would say more agnostic like I'm I'm sort of on the fence about what is I was trying to gauge earlier cuz I don't think you even said if you're Pro lifee or pro-choice and I was like is he just playing Devil's Advocate I do that

Matthew Gallaghersometimes I just I've seen too many things like uh I don't I just don't feel like religion in general um it doesn't make enough sense and there are things that change in religion

Matthew Gallagherwhere the Bible is supposed to be like never changing and these new interpretations like if you see churches in Hollywood um oh yeah those are mess like I think that everything should be based on the Bible and it it sucks that

Lydiapeople are lying and saying that but I mean that's but but that's religion for the last 2,000 years it's always changed to ad that might be religion societ that might that might be the people in the religion but that's not Christianity

Matthew Gallagheritself like yes the church is broken like the people in the church are broken but that doesn't mean that faith is I mean I I get you but there there are so many different passages that conflict with one another that uh all right

Brian Atlasanyway yeah got we'll move on we've lingered on the marriage thing for a long time uh in a sec I'll just say that

Brian Atlasum me and Matthew here we're businessmen you know we're businessmen because you find us at our places of business and as a businessman we don't sign contracts

Brian Atlasthat don't benefit us therefore that's true therefore no marriage for the boys okay no marriage for the boys what's up ever

JoJoagain okay I I don't care either way me personally my Rel if my partner didn't want marriage I'd be like F I don't know that I want to get married the only type of woman you at all I don't want to bother changing my last name that is

Brian Atlassuch you don't have to change your last name I just want to say one thing the only type of woman I would ever get married to she has to be bipolar BPD MPD

TTS Donation Readershe's got to be like everything bro like an amalgamation of all the just what Doo donated $100 more men have died in war but more women have destroyed men's Hearts

Kylietruth based trp don't let him hurt you bro see I think the thing is if there's a woman with good like morals

Kyliewho believes in making a promise to something higher that maybe she wouldn't be your life partner if you weren't willing to marry her but here's the thing right so anybody man or a woman

Brian Atlasbut let's say in this example women always reserve the right to change their mind at any time you can marry her and she's has these values and she could

Brian Atlasswitch up a woman reserves the right at any time to become a feminist and divorce SA

Brian Atlasyou don't worry don't worry is the essay you reserve you reserve the right at any moment to change up and uh yeah you know okay let's move

Brian Atlason we got a few more pre-show notes here and I'm gonna try to gonna try to rap soon soone like two hours okay going back to Kylie here in

Brian Atlassome of your pre-show notes um oh gosh okay Andrew said he would instant divorce if you found out his soon to be wife had a past or slept with someone else before but I think once you've bonded with someone it's less likely

Kyliethat's the same point I made before about like if you met somebody that you really thought could be a great partner is the woman not and say she was seeing

Kyliesomebody already and then was like okay this guy is actually the person that I want to be with she's not necessarily gonna tell him right away oh you're

Brian Atlassaying oh is this directed to towards me because I've made no I'm just saying like in general like women like okay because I've made the the statement that if I meet a girl and she's currently

Brian Atlassleeping with another guy I don't care how hot she is I don't care if she's great personality whatever 100% a deal breaker for me if when I meet her she's [ __ ] another dude correct yeah so is

Kylieyour position well like hold on no actually like what if a girl was sleeping with a guy that she thought like she could see herself with but then all of a sudden you go out on a date with her and she's like Head Over Heels

Brian Atlaswhy is she going on a date with me if she's [ __ ] another dude that's my values anyways now I realize that that's how it unfortunately that's how it goes down yeah people are sleeping with

Brian Atlasmultiple people dating multiple people but my personal thing is if you're you want to date me one if if we're on a first date and you're [ __ ] another dude I'm done I'm

Brian Atlasdone I don't want I don't want anything to do with you if you want a second date with me and say you were preferably you're proper single you're not [ __ ]

Brian Atlasin therapy like dealing with the trauma from your past dude there're like you haven't even dated in like recent memory you want a second date the other dudes

Matthew Gallagherhave to be a rap if there's even other dudes preferably not makes sense I get I mean I get I definitely get that yeah yeah so are you just so phenomenal on your first date that she's like [ __ ]

Brian Atlaseveryone else no I don't and here's the crazy thing I don't think you need to be some exceptional individual for this to be your standard like I don't think you

Brian Atlasneed to be like like this this Titan of whatever it it it is you know whether it's your personality or your your status for you to prefer to date a woman

Brian Atlasthat's not currently having sex with other men or even dating other men I think it's a reasonable standard for anybody to have to want to date someone who's properly single because I don't want that sort of lingering baggage and

Brian Atlaslike you're a fence sitter and you're not that into me like me personally I I like girls I don't look I intense like I don't want her to be a stalker I don't want her to be a stalker but I want her

Brian Atlasto like have real like cuz cuz I've been on the f I I've been on both sides like I've dated girls who are kind of like low interest they're probably like dating other dudes whatever and then

Brian AtlasI've had girls who are like really [ __ ] like me and it's night and day and I don't I don't want to did that happen like right away when you first started dating them or did it develop over some

Brian Atlastime uh sometimes it's developed yeah but I've had it where it's been pretty quick and uh it's just there's no going back once you've had that level of like

Brian Atlastreatment and interest from a woman I don't want to deal with some fitter who's like let me date three other guys while I'm dating you and maybe by the seventh dat maybe like I'll you know

Brian Atlasit's just I don't want it like I'm going to come into your life like a [ __ ] Wrecking Ball Miley Cyrus [ __ ] Miley Cyrus only eyes for you so you're you're

Nalayou hold yourself to the same standard yeah pretty much pretty much you're a romantic yeah that's complet romantic guy Bachelor reached out and they're like let's do a

Nalashow can't get married no I'm just like I'm just trying to like ask a question like because your way of dating is basically you want to like meet somebody and the persons you you're meeting you

Brian Atlasdon't want them to like have Rel F Whirlwind son I'm in boom I [ __ ] like you what's up what's that do you guys

Brian Atlasknow that scene from Glen Gary Glenn Ross AB BC a always BB C closing always be closing always be clo okay God sorry

Brian Atlasthis is like no of course of course zomers don't know like Gary Glen Ross are we the only people who seen that movie Boomer [ __ ] um we're not cool like that guess not it's [ __ ] or walk wait

Brian Atlashow does what does he say not literally [ __ ] but like like okay have you made your decision for Christ

Brian Atlasyes she's the only one who answers okay um you said it's like a magnet as soon as I start pulling away actually no that's not that interesting

Brian Atlasum disagreements sternum tattoos are the new [ __ ] stamp so just like any sternum tattoo or the ones that look like chandeliers so my my I've said this on

Brian Atlasthe podcast I think sternum tattoos are the [ __ ] Stamp of the 20s or the tens also that's a pretty good observation it kind of kind of is I've seen a lot of

Brian Atlasthose and I've never have seen those before yeah and they're kind of like sheep they're a bit sheepish like uh how many I know exactly like when you say looks like a chandelier ton type of look

Madisonalways a triangle there's like little things just like dangling do you like tattoos all no so what's your take on the sternum tattoo cuz you like tattoos on me I like

Matthew Gallaghertattoos on you don't like them on other I mean I like uh minimal yeah yeah minimal like I would say you know there's a there's a line between artsy

Brian Atlasand ghetto and prison type tattoos you know tattoo for me it's not a deal breaker but it's the the scope and scale of it so if she's like super black

Brian Atlaslasted right I'm start but if she's got like a little heart tattoo on her ankle I'm not tripping if she's got a couple tattoos here and there it's not 100%

Brian Atlasdeal breaker but the more blasted she gets I'm like L of a chance she got I'm like red flag how many dudes have you

Madison[ __ ] that's what I'm thinking really that's what you're thinking that's what your mind goes to yes okay that's what I go to I think that's what his mind goes to matter what how many dud she [ __ ]

Matthew Gallagherher hair is curled is there a ceiling for you ceiling yeah like an upper Li yeah yeah where if you find out even if you like her and you find out and you're like oh I can't even if you the the lower the

JoJobetter I'll just say that the lower the better what if you you like what the max that like you find out after you are really invested and like her it's hard I I don't have like a

Brian Atlasspecific number said like double digits before answer the question like it's okay I think like over I mean I'm definitely

Brian Atlaslike is she really wifey if it's over 10 but you don't want to marry so well wifey as in like State of Mind mind does

Matthew Gallagherher age play into that for you she's 35 and has yeah like if

Kylieshe's you know like just as an example no can't do it I'm just do

Brian Atlasit like actually you know like 8 at 18 who we looking at that's a little concerning

Brian Atlaslike I I raise a bit of an eyebrow I'm curious you know it's a bit although I will say I will say [Music]

Brian Atlasthis catheter thank catheter thank you for the 20 memberships I would look in defense of Madison here in

Brian Atlasdefense of Madison are you the eight of 18 yeah okay you're like yeah her father disowned her um never just kidding just kidding

Brian Atlasum living in Santa Barbara College Town Party Town Maddie can probably attest to this these girls be [ __ ] these girl they do be [ __ ] they be [ __ ] and

Madisonlike the first girl I ever CRA oh go ahead the first girl I ever met in Santa Barbara like told me her body count right off the bat same exact

Madisonage as me same grade she goes 23 that's crazy I'm not going to lie that's like three times as much oh

Brian Atlaswhoops I I met an 18 or 19yearold girl I forget exactly a hundred her body count was 100 D was she like a wasn't that on

Matthew Gallagherthe show no she was on the show just this girl I met is that a lie no she was 100% she was [ __ ] up where did you meet this girl if you

TTS Donation Readerdon't see anything morally wrong with it and if it's not like something you loose [ __ ] energy donated $100 madd's got eight bodies with eight back shotties who's got more bodies than

TTS Donation ReaderJohn gotties she thinks about it on the dailies and has brought great shame to her families change your ways ladies

Madisonnumber eight at 18 they also say that every age I go up they add one so just one yeah I guess I have a boyfriend at

Madison10: oh my joke she's 19 now though right in her defense I've heard some crazy [ __ ] I I think it's crazy well do you or do you

Madisonjust say that to you no no I didn't start caring about body count until like I met my current boyfriend because he cares about it he fix no not because he cares about it because like I don't know you realize when you love someone they

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