She Tried To MURDER Tinder Date?! E-GIRLS! SUPER Feminist Returns?! NALA SAVED?! | Dating Talk #144

Date: 2024-03-18

Duration: 6h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJulie (DT171)>

KKylie (DT144)>

LLydia (DT144)>

MMatthew (DT145)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Lydia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Julie(guest)

SPEAKER_04Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kylie(guest)

SPEAKER_07Matthew Gallagher(guest)

SPEAKER_09JoJo(guest)

SPEAKER_10Nala(guest)

SPEAKER_12Malia(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces returning guests JoJo, Julie, Malia, Matthew and new guests Nala, Kylie, Madison, and Lydia. Notable: Nala and Kylie arrived late. Lydia is engaged; Julie is in a new LDR since last appearance.

“"without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves"”

ControversyNala (SPEAKER_10) discloses she stabbed a Tinder date twice in the neck in Las Vegas (2021) while off her bipolar/schizophrenia medication. Was in delusional state; told police it was revenge for Soleimani (later disavowed). Spent 6 weeks in jail; pled to 2 counts false imprisonment; serving probation. Brian argues a man in same position would have faced much longer sentence. Nala argues women's prison statistics show they have it harder (disputed).

“"I ended up um harm him and stop him twice in the neck during sex"”

Key MomentBrian argues female privilege in sentencing: Nala got probation for stabbing; a California woman who stabbed her boyfriend 108 times got probation. Brian states a man in the same situation would face significant prison time. Nala challenges this, citing mental health and criminal history context.

“"if we put a man in that woman's position... there would be significantly long prison sentences"”

Key MomentJoJo (returning guest, prior "super feminist" episode) maintains women can be primary victims of war by redefining "victim" as those who suffer most vs those who die most. Brian shows D-Day Into the Jaws of Death photograph. Matthew explains that death is the worst victimhood; widow suffers but soldier is primary victim. JoJo ultimately concedes men are primary casualties but maintains women suffer as victims too.

“"women I'll still stand by you are not saying that I'm still standing by it"”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Matthew asks panel to rate themselves on looks 1-10. Matthew self-rates 7 (currently); potential 8 if in peak shape. Brian: 5 currently; potential 7-7.5. Lydia refuses objective rating ("everyone's a 10 in God's eyes"). Extended debate follows on whether all sinners are equally evil — specifically whether Madison Vu is as evil as Hitler in God's eyes. Lydia: yes (all equally deserving of eternal death).

“"what does everyone rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10"”

ControversyLydia (SPEAKER_02) maintains Hitler and Madison are equally evil in God's eyes (all sinners equally deserving of eternal death). Brian repeatedly presses her to say Hitler is more evil. She concedes Hitler's actions are worse but holds the theological position on equal sinfulness. Matthew (SPEAKER_07) asks if Hitler could go to heaven if he accepted Christ before death. Lydia: yes. Matthew: that doesn't seem right. Eventually someone in the room flatulates, diffusing the tension.

“"who is more evil Madison or Hitler... I think that is that the word you used... equally evil"”

Key MomentBody count round prompted by TTS donation from "Stiffler." JoJo: 8, Julie: 7, Malia: 6, Kylie: 7 (admitted range 10-20 when pressed), Nala: same as prior appearance (8, celibate since incident). Discussion of whether women underreport by factor of 3.

“"we're going to have Madison start on this stiffmeister ask the ladies their body count"”

Key MomentMatthew (SPEAKER_07) discloses divorce details: married 8 years, ex-wife was a hair stylist who moved to LA; got pregnant 2 months after meeting. Paid 4 years of alimony; ex-wife became a millionaire from settlement. Community property law: she got half of gifts he bought himself. If they had been married 10 years, alimony would have been indefinite. Made his last alimony payment this month.

“"I mean she became a millionaire from our divorce"”

Key MomentBrian probes Kylie on her 15-year chaotic relationship (ages 20-32). Partner was bipolar, manic, drug addict, physically violent once, involved in criminality. Got shot in college during police raid over a weed plant. Passed away from overdose ~1 year prior. Kylie had only one other relationship in that period (3 years; rebound; ended mutually). Brian summarizes: she gave her best years (20-34) to a bipolar drug addict.

“"you gave arguably your best years from 20 to 34 to a bipolar chaotic drug addict"”

QuoteBrian states his marriage position as a businessman: "we're businessmen... as a businessman we don't sign contracts that don't benefit us therefore no marriage for the boys."

“"as a businessman we don't sign contracts that don't benefit us therefore no marriage for the boys"”

QuoteBrian plays clip of Nala Ray apparently quitting OnlyFans and takes full credit: "we did it boys we did it we saved one only fans girl one porn star... totally because of the whatever podcast father I'm taking full credit."

“"we saved we saved one only fans girl one porn star it was because obviously totally because of the whatever podcast"”

OtherEnd of show. Brian does outro; plans raid on Eson on Twitch (Grand Theft Auto 5). Matthew plugs watchgang.com; announces special giveaway for viewers on Tuesday episode. 07s in the chat. Show ends ~6:37.

“"07s in the chat good night guys"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Eight guests introduce themselves: JoJo (returning; masters student, international affairs; single 2+ yrs; celibate ~2 yrs), Julie (returning; 25, BC Canada, student + OnlyFans; now in LDR 7 months), Malia (returning; 27, OnlyFans mgmt; single 2.5 yrs), Nala (23, Dallas, business student; mental health advocate; bipolar/schizophrenia; on probation), Kylie (34, FL; bartender/yoga teacher; 1.5 hrs late), Madison (19, SD/SB, Whatever staff + SBCC student), Lydia (21, NC, Students for Life spokesperson; engaged), Matthew (38, LA, CEO watchgang.com; returning; divorced).

Kylie lateness debate

Kylie (SPEAKER_05) arrives 1 hour 30 minutes late. Brian debates accountability, punctuality, and whether women have inherent leeway to be late. Kylie argues men need more patience; Brian disputes this as removing female agency. Nala (SPEAKER_10) also arrived ~1 hour late. TTS donations mock the lateness repeatedly. Discussion pivots to general dating context: is being late on a first date forgivable; how long would you wait at a restaurant. Brian references cell phones enabling flakiness. Kylie eventually goes to the bathroom mid-discussion; conversation continues.

Nala's Las Vegas stabbing incident

Nala (SPEAKER_10) describes stabbing a Tinder date twice in the neck in Las Vegas (2021). Was off bipolar/schizophrenia medication; also under drugs/alcohol. In a delusional/hallucinatory state; told police she did it in revenge for Soleimani (disavowed). Victim survived; wounds were minor; did not go to hospital. Nala spent 6 weeks in jail pending competency hearing. Pled to 2 counts of false imprisonment; 3-5 year probation (no prison time). Brian argues a man in the same situation would have faced much harsher sentencing (female privilege). Nala argues the justice system is context-dependent; cites mental health factors. Debate about women's prisons vs men's prisons: Nala claims women die at higher rates in jail; Brian strongly disputes this; TTS donation later cites PBS study (7% higher mortality rate due to illness/suicide/overdose — not violence).

Women as primary victims of war (JoJo returns)

JoJo (SPEAKER_09) maintains women can be primary victims of war. She redefines "victim" as those who suffer most, not those who die most. Matthew (SPEAKER_07) and Brian (SPEAKER_01) argue men are clearly the primary casualties. Brian shows D-Day photograph (Into the Jaws of Death) — no women in the image. JoJo acknowledges men are the primary casualties but maintains that widows and invaded populations suffer as victims. Matthew: death is the worst victimhood; the widow is a victim but the dead soldier is the primary victim. Debate reaches qualified agreement.

Pro-life vs pro-choice debate

Lydia (SPEAKER_02) presents pro-life position as spokesperson for Students for Life of America. Brings model fetal development props; throws one toward Brian at end. Brian and Matthew take more neutral/devil's advocate positions. Julie (SPEAKER_03) raises abortion pills and women knowing what they are doing. Lydia: women who knowingly abort should be held accountable. Brian proposes artificial wombs as compromise; panel mixed. Catholic TTS donation chimes in with faith-based argument. Brian identifies as Catholic and does not believe in reincarnation.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Matthew (SPEAKER_07) asks panel to rate themselves on looks 1-10. Matthew: 7 (currently); potential 8 if in peak shape/ripped. Brian: 5 (currently; potential 7-7.5 in prime shape). Lydia (SPEAKER_02): "everybody's a 10 in God's eyes" — refuses objective rating. Discussion of what "objective" vs "subjective" attractiveness means. Brian presses with Hitler vs Madison Vu: are they equally evil in God's eyes? Lydia maintains all sinners are equally deserving of Eternal death. Extended theological debate about sin, evil, and whether Hitler could go to heaven if he accepted Christ before death.

Body count round

Brian asks panel for body counts (prompted by Stiffler TTS donation). Results: JoJo (SPEAKER_09): 8 (same as prior appearance). Julie (SPEAKER_03): 7. Malia (SPEAKER_12): 6. Kylie (SPEAKER_05): 7 (stated first); range confirmed 10-20 when pressed. Nala (SPEAKER_10): same as prior appearance (8, celibate since incident). Lydia (SPEAKER_02): not stated (engaged Christian; body count discussion deflected to faith). Matthew: declined (not required for males on this question). Discussion follows on whether women lie about body count; whether men care about body count is insecure or a valid preference.

Marriage, alimony, and divorce laws

Matthew (SPEAKER_07) shares his divorce experience: married 8 years, 2 kids, paid 4 years of alimony, ex-wife (former hair stylist) became a millionaire. Community property law: she got half of gifts he bought himself. Brian: California divorce laws disincentivize men from marrying; 80% of divorces initiated by women. Lydia (SPEAKER_02) argues marriage provides stability and security for women; security for men too. Brian: marriage gives women financial incentive to leave; no equivalent incentive to stay. Matthew: would not get married again; dates for connection without needing marriage. JoJo (SPEAKER_09): would not change her last name; does not care about marriage either way. Discussion of prenups; attorney financial incentives; community property quirks.

Kylie's 15-year relationship and chaotic ex

Brian probes Kylie (SPEAKER_05) on her 15-year on/off relationship with a bipolar man. They met at 14 (friends in high school), dated from college (age 20) to 32. Three breakups; she initiated last two, he initiated the middle one. He was bipolar (undiagnosed), manic, made bad decisions: got shot in college during police raid over a weed plant; physical violence with Kylie once; involved in criminality; drug addiction. Passed away from overdose ~1 year before this taping. Kylie had one other relationship (3 years; rebound from high school friend; ended due to stagnation and dead bedroom). Brian: she gave her best years (20-34) to a chaotic drug addict. Now in a 10-month talking stage with a man who returned from oil rig work in Texas.

Does men disliking challenges in dating make them beta?

Twitter post debated: "men don't want soft feminine women — they want bold dominant women who are submissive for them." Brian disagrees: he does not want a woman who plays hard to get or is a challenge. Nala (SPEAKER_10) argues that playing hard to get creates more excitement (hunter-gatherer). Brian: Proverbs 21:19 ("better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome wife"). Matthew (SPEAKER_07): men like conquest; the challenge aspect makes some sense. Lydia (SPEAKER_02): going to take her husband's last name; finds independence compatible with femininity. Brian: the most alpha men have women throwing themselves at them; the chase is a waste of time. "Play hard to get, quickly become hard to want."

Nala Ray "SAVED" — OnlyFans quit announcement

Brian plays a clip of prior Whatever guest Nala Ray (not present in studio) apparently quitting OnlyFans. Brian takes full credit for this decision on behalf of the Whatever Podcast. Panel reacts. Brian then discusses OnlyFans with Julie (SPEAKER_03): what it would take for Julie to quit. Julie: equivalent-paying legitimate job. Works enough hours to pay rent and fund school. Does not do custom/DM content; just posts. Boyfriend does not subscribe; she has not asked him. Does not want to do OnlyFans forever; plans to use degree after graduation.

Transcript

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Nalayou're making a general statement about women's oppression under the Iranian regime right because you were that's not you were telling her about how maybe it could be a king or a queen passing the law you were trying to exemplify a specific gender and how that would

Nalawhether that would change her mind so I'm just trying to say in a different the logic here is a little faulty but um

Brian AtlasI would I would probably similarly argue that Iranian uh Iranian soldiers are are the the primary victims of any military

Brian Atlasconflicts that Iran is involved in the primary victims of war when it comes to uh Iranian military conflicts as men right i' I've stated men is the answer but I'm just providing context

Brian Atlasfor like swapping at the different gender roles whether it's a men or the women passing the you could actually probably argue that women in Iran or when it comes to military conflicts are

Brian Atlasprobably I mean I don't know if are they allowed to be in the military women Iran there's like specific well there's a good argument to be made that women are even far less likely to be victims of

Nalawar I would say there's a civil war for sure and the conflict between men and women and the policies is considered a war and for you to not acknowledge that just kind of makes you like ignorant of

Brian Atlasthe situation ignorant of what of the conflict that's happening in Iran What conflict conflict there's a is there a current civil war going on have you never heard of Massa

Brian Atlasamini the woman who was killed yes it's still a there are multiple women that were killed is is it definitionally a civil war look I'm not an expert in

Brian AtlasIranian geopolitics but I don't think there's is there an ongoing military conflict because of the woman who was killed I would say that there is an internal conflict and war is there civil unrest that's different than the Civil

NalaWar can you define civil unrest okay like do you remember the BLM riots that was not a they turning off the Wi-Fi so I like literally some people in here don't have access to

Brian Atlaswhat's going on there time is currently in Iran is there an armed Civil War armed soldiers every day Cil is there civil is it civil unrest orc Persia

Brian Atlasevery single definitionally here how about we just Google it is there a maybe there is maybe there is Civil War Iran also vifi is like unable

Nalato access and transfer over certain times so it's kind of Clueless and some of us are literally restricted access to even be able to contact there you can

Nalaprobably look up so you saying are you saying the Iranian government is hiding 100 is hiding the Civil the ongoing Civil War no no no the Civil War is going on but I'm saying Iranian Iranian

Nalagovernment 100% controls the Wi-Fi there's censorships even with a VPN they're still blocked from accessing um like Wi-Fi at certain days or times so you you think that if there was an ongoing Civil War that the various

Nalaintelligence agencies wouldn't be privy to like a massive military conflict they want to they want to send a message to the International Community that they're

Brian Atlasthey're fine they're not doing violence this war is not going on okay all right I mean I I can't find any evidence

Brian Atlasthat there's a on going Civil War literally look up BBC Persia every single day there is an civil unrest there's civil unrest I I sure I agree

Brian Atlaswith that I don't think there's a Civil War I look I could be wrong but I mean you could use different termin by the way totally derailed totally derailed okay let me let me just look at the news yeah we need to we need to hit the the

Brian AtlasUkraine um okay uh yes so this is a video uh let me let me provide a bit of context so pull up that article really quick

Brian Atlasjust just for the the article do you still have it okay Ukraine bans all male citizens ages 18 to 60 from leaving the country let's play the video These are men attempting to escape

UnknownUkraine we're going have to watch it like this like I can't we what I don't think it's pulled up wait you just had it I know

Brian Atlasdid what do you mean reload it just refresh it here I'll pull up a chat um bro for the love of God stop acting

Brian Atlaslike such a beta the show is awesome but your emotional acts keeps derailing con those more than delusional girls don't linger so much on stuff if she was late don't let her on the show next time stop crying hold on I got something for

Brian Atlasthis uh word you know we just here at the whatever podcast we uh we hold people accountable okay sometimes he is right though I mean let's be

JoJohonest H okay JoJo the delusion actually JoJo can you read this JoJo the delusional the first of her name Queen of the thoughts and the beta men protector of the 7 304s the mother of

JoJochair sniffers the kisi of the illogical the broken brains the breaker of Hope of humanity claim your throne my dear thank you it's very sweet yeah he was spit to

JoJoto compare me to kisi oh my God oh God okay um Can can you read this one again JoJo to please the ego of the girl from prison break and JoJo a place where the

JoJofirst victim of war is a woman is in Palestine with those crazy women carrying out suicide bomb attacks okay thank thank you for for

Unknownthat um Nick do you have all right let's play

Brian Atlasthis so these were men trying to

Brian Atlasescape I'm not going to play the whole video just just to show it to those are men getting yanked out of a they're trying to leave the country yanked out of this van getting assaulted by

Brian Atlasmilitary police uh keep it and actually the funny thing if those men had been like prison prisoners of War being treated that way

Brian Atlasthat'd be a be a war crime to do that but because they're Ukrainian men it's fine just fine um so does that no I agreed with you in the

Brian Atlascontext that you gave me do you think women who were trying to flee the country you told me no would get beat on no they would just write this way let me just chaperone you out of the country

Brian Atlasand you can go go to UK and go to Norway to go [ __ ] the men there sure yeah that I agree with you if in this context you're giving me yes I agree with you

JoJookay so I'll ask in the Ukraine war who are the primary victims of war in the context that you have told me I'm going to say

JoJomen in the context of you I don't know enough about information so I don't want to speak on things I don't know too much about but in the context yes you're who are the primary victims of the Ukraine

Brian Atlaswar men or women in the context you gave me men what do you mean in the context I gave you because I'm not just speaking in those contexts I'm speaking in general for the Ukraine war but I see

JoJohow can I make a general assumption based off something I don't know I've just provided evidence for you that's why I said in your the context you provided me I don't understand what what do you mean the context the context

Brian Atlasof you pulling up one video and one article right well are you do you think that there's doubts about the article I pulled up not at all do you think I'm making it up that men were barred from

JoJoleaving Ukraine no of course not okay so knowing that just based off of that wouldn't you just well it's because you're also telling me that like women are partying it up [ __ ] guys in nor

Brian Atlasexactly what they're that's exactly what they're doing picture yeah you can pull it's blurred right it's the Blurred one okay we'll pull this one up I have a question so on the left is a bunch of

Brian Atlasscreenshots from dating app profiles primarily Tinder and it's a bit small but these are all Ukrainian women that were screenshotted on dating apps in various other countries on the right we

Brian Atlashad to blur it out I'll let you you can make some assumptions about what's on the right but it's males on the right females on the left

Brian Atlasokay Ukrainian men on the right mind you does that change anything um sure men are the in now what

Brian Atlasif I told you for all military conflicts along those lines it's about the same that women get to escape and men

JoJohave to stay and die you are making crazy assumptions that women are not only getting to not be part of the war that they're also sleeping around living it up partying

Brian Atlaslike that's so crazy tell you what let's just remove the fact that women are sleeping with men in different countries from all military conflicts I they're just celibate right let's just say these women are celibate let's remove that

Brian Atlasfrom the argument entirely so does that change anything no it's not changing anything it but you're you're saying it's a leap for me to say that men are more like cuz

Brian Atlasyou just you conceded earlier that men are more likely to be casualties of War uh another another of the arguments online was that they are more of the

JoJocasualty of War but indirect casualties of war after or because of war is women and domestic violence as well domestic like violence not Dom like in Civil Wars

Brian Atlasdomestic like in your own Nation more women die um than men with like Civil Wars and things like that that that's also you mean civilians or including military deaths no I I and civilian

JoJodeaths I the article didn't state if it was including you read an article what what what organization was this article from it's like um the Harvard Business

UnknownJournal Harvard again yeah the har this kind of where I go to it's like so okay you're I don't even know what to say

TTS Donation Readerit's just such a ridiculous position okay so you're saying Bender the offender donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 can we please get the sentence JoJo just start I don't know enough about information framed and put up on the wall behind huh I would frame it as well okay I feel like this all comes down to

Lydiahow we're defining harm and I think you stupped out Brian when we were talking about this but um she essentially said she doesn't see being killed as the worst thing that can happen to someone now the rest of us I think would disagree which is why we would say men

Lydiaare the primary victim but if she I don't you kind of implied that what you thought was the repercussions of seeing people you love your husbands boyfriends

Lydiathem dying um that could be more harmful so by her scale of what's the most harmful then she is right but by ours which is what most logical people would think is that killing is the worst thing

Brian Atlasthat can happen to someone well no hold on no no no no I I even reject her scale of what's the most harmful well I disagree with it too I totally reject the this idea that well

Brian Atlasmen die but the the the lingering effects are are more harmful than those deaths experienced by men it's ridiculous I think then the conversation

Brian Atlasjust has to be what is the worst thing that can happen to someone cuz she just is not going by her definition that would be different we're not going to linger on it for any longer but I have two more questions two more questions then we're going to move on

Brian Atlasokay so my dear who was the primary victim of war in World War I men or women

Brian Atlaswomen okay I don't get why the war is going to change the outcome of like who was the primary victim hold on I just okay who is the

Brian Atlasprimary victim of World War II oh my God let me just who was the primary victim of World War II men or women

Unknownwomen crazy oh my God I I don't I don't know why this like which war is going to change you can you conceded that the

Brian AtlasUkraine war it was men right yeah okay so again those things I list like the three examples I gave you there were similar things occurring in World War I World

JoJoWar II and pretty much all world wars that ever existed the women get to leave the women are protected the men are forced to go and die um well I just think there's a a a

Brian Atlasbig again I use the term think because I don't know right I don't know what do you mean you do know that you can literally look at look at what Wikipedia number of military deaths World War I

Brian Atlasnumber of military deaths World War II what percentage are women what percentage are men the military deaths are almost exclusively men in these conflicts there is more civilian deaths

JoJothough what I looked it up there is more civilian deaths overall more total civilian deaths mhm yes including men and women of course okay so because you

Brian Atlasalways use the case of only military but here let's do this let's say that there's 20 million military deaths and they're all men yeah and then there's 20

Brian Atlasmillion civilian deaths and 10 million are women and 10 million are men so 30 million men versus 10 million women in that situation who's the primary victim

JoJoof War if we're only going by the standard of death nothing else is a factor then yes men if nothing else is a standard nothing else is happening be as

Brian Atlaslike what what else is happening like just any of like I said any other thing that you could which would also happen to male civilians not as much as it's

Brian Atlashappening to females talking about sa yeah so that let's say there's an 100,000 women get essed and then there's 10 million civilian deaths for both

Brian Atlasgenders and then there's 20 million male only military deaths the you're saying that the 100,000 essays tips the

JoJoscale for women being the primary victims of I didn't say just the essay alone was like the reason why I thought that so what other things that are exclusively happening to women besides that

Brian Atlasif I grant you that that women are disproportionately being essayed what other bad things are only happening to women so in this argument you're saying

JoJoonly happening to women so your your claim is that because military it's predominantly men that's the only happening to men in the

Brian Atlasmilitary like I'm trying to like let me ask you those two if you could this is almost like a trolley dilemma sort of

Brian Atlastrolley problem so if you could are you familiar with the trolley dilemma no okay you have a choice right you pull a lever it either kills one the this

Brian Atlastrolley it's going along a track it would otherwise kill five people if you pull the lever it would kill one so I'm going to give you a sort of kind of trolley dilemma

Brian Atlasso 100 women get essay or you can pull the lever you can choose instead of that that happening 50

JoJomillion men die which do you pick uh the 100 women in that case what what do you mean in that case that you gave me aund yes 100 women I

JoJowould choose but again you would choose that they yeah if that that that happens to them yeah

Brian Atlasokay what about 10 million men again what you said sure I'll choose the 100 okay what about 100,000 to

JoJo100,000 death versus mhm we don't know the extent of like either of those though 100,000 die and it's a 20 minute

Brian Atlasuh you know and obviously there's trauma going on beyond that but that's the comparison

TTS Donation Readerkiller of cereal donated $100 women will only die if all the Carnage from the war zones find their way to the densely populated cities

TTS Donation Readerunless women agree to suit up strap up and stick to trenches on the front lines any takers wait hold on I actually have

Brian AtlasI actually have thank you kill of Serial any takers ladies here let's talk about okay World War II you you know the

Brian AtlasUnited Kingdom right okay so they're an island nation so Germany while they bombed their aerial attacks on various

Brian Atlasuh uh British cities Germany never did a land invasion of of uh the

Brian AtlasUK okay so there was no sa in the UK there were civilian deaths bear in mind there's male civilians and female

Brian Atlascivilians so looking at World War I looking at the populace of Great Britain who was the primary victim of

JoJoWorld War II Great British men or Great British women uh the men why because if nothing

JoJois happening other than the harm of their family members of a lot of the citizens yeah in that case I think I'm gon to call that a

JoJoCheckmate is that a Checkmate that might be a Checkmate no it's not a it's not a Checkmate because of gotcha [ __ ] again it's what she said too what you Define

Brian Atlasvictim I think think going with you no matter what let's ask chat a Big W for the whatever podcast right I think hello okay let me read these chats and then we'll get to some of our stuff oh my God

Brian Atlasokay we're moving on okay the chick with the glasses on her head thinks that there's a secret Iranian Civil War that all Western intelligence agencies are unaware of OMFG you can't make this up

Nalamy God drugs what the [ __ ] stop smoking crack woman don't shoot the messenger I'm not it was CS she didn't sound like she knew what she was talking about but also like literally Google ranian news

Brian Atlaslike politics anything every single day you can see conf Happ definitely Google that um all right let's get back to the holy moly

Brian Atlasokay we were talking about being late yes let's talk about dating so in the dating context okay not the fact that you were an hour late and you were

Brian Atlasan hour 30 minutes late just in general we're talking about being late right so I think you're you were making the point that the point is that it's a stereotype

Unknownfor a reason that women are always late is it Justified though no I think it's a legit stereotype I think it's a stereotype

Kyliebut you said that men should be more patient and more accepting of women being late to dates well often like a male is rushing a woman to get ready when they have

Brian Atlassomewhere to go let's talk about first relationship okay the the men are is that your experience that you've had in your relationships the guys rushing you yeah

Brian Atlasyeah okay they have somewhere to go um and your so your position is though men should be more patient couldn't should shouldn't it be

Matthew Gallagherwomen should just be on time shouldn't that be the The Stance yeah but not all women are not on time do you think help it like do you think that it's like a

Kyliedisability no yes I mean it I get that it's a stereotype it happens a lot but I mean it's a stereotype for a lot of things it's also a stereotype for yoga teachers like every single one of my

Brian Atlasyoga teach and mentors were always things oh yeah the hippie people but you know it's just one of those things right I'm going to run like the most [ __ ] ruthlessly yoga business and be like yo

Brian Atlasyou got to [ __ ] show up on time get into [ __ ] downward dog right now drop a give me 20 let me see your [ __ ] tree pose [ __ ] on time of the class with a paddle no I'm good on that

Brian Atlasaren't they pretty crazy don't they usually charge you if you're late so one of the one of the previous uh messages they were asking well how late is too late so maybe we can go around the table

Brian Atlason this get everybody's input you know what's uh what's too late too late where they're not they're also not texting you let me let me prompt it like this so like let's say you're on the first

Brian Atlasyou're meeting up with a guy first date and how how long would you wait before just leaving yeah I probably wait like 20 minutes yeah probably 20 minutes if they

Kyliewere communicating with me I'd wait a little bit longer but yeah I'd give him like 15 before I bounced 30 minutes 30 okay what about you yeah I'd say 20 with no communication if I'm hearing via text

Brian Atlaswait Maddie I need you to be like maybe 30 I need you to get a whip Maddie p p you need to be on her like Wi on Rice speaking to the mic she's got to be

Kylie[ __ ] talking into the mic so I'd say 20 minutes like just randomly like no communication and then if there was communication I'd say say like 30 to 45 minutes depending on how good the excuse

Lydiais okay MD what about I honestly say like 10 to 20 minutes cuz I'm always on time I it would depend on how much I like the guy to be honest but um

Matthew Gallagherprobably 20 minutes depending on the situation but in general I would probably wait 20 minutes Matt what about you uh without communication I'm gone in 10 minutes uh but if they're texting

Matthew Gallagherwhich is I mean Legend if you search my messages and just type in running late it's just hilarious how many times it happens but at least they communicate so

Matthew Gallaghergenerally I would say of first States 40% are going to send me that text and be late but if if they don't say anything I'm going to leave after 10 really have you ever had a date where

Matthew Gallagherthey were running late and you you actually did leave uh a girl I was seeing was uh habitually late habitual late it was a thing and I I drew a line and I said this doesn't happen anymore

Matthew Gallagherand she was 1 minute late I had already left 1 minute yeah because you should show up early you know this is a thing if this is like a consistent thing it's not like you know it was our first date it was after seeing this person and always kind

Matthew Gallagherof going through this for months I'm like hey if you want to keep seeing me you're going to be early and even if you sit in your car for 10 minutes ahead of time so we can get to where we're going on time be on time got to be on and at

Nala6:01 I was out the door and wasn't you isn't you accompan like watches and like I like if you're CEO of a watch that means I should care about time right right makes sense look it's it's

Matthew Gallagherimportant because guys are the ones basically responsible for like you know setting the date you set a time you're the one that's going to deal with the [ __ ] if you're late and then the reservation gets canceled and you have

Matthew Gallagherto deal with like booking something new and then I mean yeah it's a stereotype it's a thing but like we basically are the ones dealing with repercussions of that and you know I will tolerate like

Matthew Gallaghertardiness and stuff that's like normal people have human errors but if it's just all the time it just means that they're not prioritizing uh that what is your what's your time like how long until you leave

Brian Atlasit depends if you know I think the polite thing is you're going to know before the planned meet time if you're going to be late 10 20 minutes before maybe even longer so I think you should

Brian Atlasas soon as you know you're going to be late you should give them advanced notice depending on how long you can be you're going to be late cuz cuz that way if they haven't left yet you give them an opportunity to be like Oh I'm going to kick it here for like another 10

Brian Atlasminutes sometimes it isn't always doesn't always get to that point though so if I'm already there it's one thing like if I'm like okay I'll just oh you

Brian Atlaswant to push it 30 minutes they let me know 30 minutes beforehand that's fine um because then I haven't even arrived yet that's cool but if I'm already there and then they're like oh I'm running

Brian Atlaslate but it's before the time we're supposed to meet I'll give a bit more leeway maybe 20 minutes yeah otherwise if they tell me 25 30 maybe this is kind of like being a dick I'm not even I'm

Brian Atlasjust going to leave and I'm not even going to tell you I'm leaving you can show up oh my God I'm such a dick [ __ ] you okay I'm just all right you know how do you how do you respond when they're like hey I'm going to you

Matthew Gallagherknow so sorry I'm going to be 20 minutes late how do I respond yeah like on a first date let's say you like her you know you guys had good rapport in the dating app and she's says hey I'm really sorry I'm going to be 20 minutes late are you like cute about it or do you let

Brian Atlasher know you're irritated I'm going to see how it goes when she meets in person so I'd be like I've had situations I just want like the smallest token apology right if she

Brian Atlascomes in and she's just like oh hey sorry I'm late like my bad um how's your day going d d du but if if she doesn't give like a token apology I'm going to be like

Brian Atlasyo it depend there's like a total of the circumstances though so did she give heads up that helps if she's telling me let's say we're supposed to meet at 700 p.m. and at 7:10 she tells me hey I'mma

Brian Atlasbe there at 7:20 7:30 I'm already here that's kind of uh but then if uh if she walks if she's late and I've been there for 10 20 minutes and she doesn't even just say

Brian Atlasyou don't need to like be on the floor like begging for forgiveness just like a a shoot sorry I'm late my bad how's your day going and then we just get into the convo but if she just shows up and she's

Brian Atlaslike doesn't even offer up the token apology I'mma Be A little I'm not going to be like a [ __ ] about it but I'm just going to be like okay she lacks C basic courtesy and etiquette because I think if you're late at least offer up a

Brian Atlastoken yeah it's just respectful of your time yeah it's just like I would if I was late I'd be like oh hey sorry I'm late my bad uh do you do you confirm date plans day of if you if it's already

Brian Atlaslocked let's say that you you do yeah yeah yeah I'll I'll text and do a little confirmation but uh I wonder if we uh we could do an etiquette test on this yeah

Brian Atlasdo you guys how so um I don't know do you guys give offer the token apology do you say oh sorry I'm late if I'm late I feel

Brian Atlasterrible I got crashed into and I still showed up but it's super late and I like felt so bad but yeah if they're like kind of again you don't have to be like on your knees begging for forgiveness but if if you

Brian Atlasjust offer like a you know acknowledgement I think that's it yeah that's it um but if it's like a I think it's a bad first impression to be 20 30

Brian Atlasminutes late to a first date and um yeah and I've had I've had a time when there was this girl she told me she told me we're supposed to meet at 700 710 she

Brian AtlasI'm already I'm there 5 minutes early 710 and she texts me I'm running late can we please move on donated $100 we'll do right after this can they rate themselves 1 to 10 we'll do right after this um so I I had a date we were

Brian Atlassupposed to meet at 700 p.m. I got there 5 minutes early 7:10 she text me oh I'm going to be late I'll be I'mma be there in 10 minutes 7:20 she's not there I leave at

Brian Atlas7:30 I get a text where are you and I just don't respond to her and I that's it yeah yeah it's just like eh you know you know what I mean I agree with that I

Matthew Gallagherwould do that you know but also if you had like um was it the first date first dat if you had really liked this girl like if you were super excited about it and you had a great Rapport over the dating app and texting and then that happened you give her a little more

Brian Atlasleeway oh I don't like girls until I meet them I have to meet them first I never get too invested yeah yeah that's fair um but uh so would I give her more leeway if she's like super hot is that

Brian Atlaskind of I mean you know if you have if you have great chemistry over like uh so she was super hot yeah uh no probably I'd still yeah okay I'd I'd still probably just dip yeah

Nalayeah I mean I get leaving because like honestly like that would be disrespectful but the fact that you were like kind of mentioning it oh like I'm kind of getting a ego boost from like not answering it it's kind of like problematic I don't know like it just

Nalakind of shows a glimpse of your personality this girl's she's got it out for me tonight gentlemen um but that's just me what what's the ego boost like you were like oh yeah I'm going to like not even like respond back to her when

Nalashe's like where are you at like I don't know just a way you were saying it I'm like yeah you're not worth my time anymore right there's a way to disect respect let me ask you so okay if

Brian Atlassomebody if somebody wrongs you in some sort of way um for example if I'm going to break up with a girl and she's done something to disrespect me she's not

Brian Atlasowed closure and I certainly don't owe closure to some girl I've never met met in person you're not owed [ __ ] women pull that [ __ ] all the time I don't owe you [ __ ] you're not anybody to me we're

Nalanot dating you're not my boyfriend I don't owe you anything I'm just calling out the way you seem to very much enjoy like an ego P of putting somebody on red

Nalaon that so I mean I get it what she did was disrespectful and and I'll totally do the same thing too but I wouldn't be like I just left her on or like left him

Brian Atlason red and I feel great and that's a dope move before but no it's it's it's I mean I if I wanted to really be egotistical about it I would like play

Brian Atlaswith them even further I'm just not responding to you like I'm have you ever ghosted somebody yeah have you ever blanked somebody just block them yeah that's fine and it's fine for men right

Nalaif that's fine too I'm just calling you out for your expression of like trying to go somebody and like feeling great about it like I don't know you can pull up the little clip when you

Julieyeah sure okay you got me did you say you felt great about it huh did you say you I for I forgot I mean I I'm pretty sure you said God I'm such a dick I don't think that was you expressing that

Nalayou felt great about it I know it's me no I would rather the date would have just and it was just I don't knowed we can move on but go like pull back 10 seconds

Brian Atlaswhatever and it was the and it was the first time that he met mention I feel like it's very I mean maybe this is an appeal to hypocrisy and this isn't actually me engaging you in like nonf

Brian Atlasfallacious argumentation but like again this is this is an appeal to hypocrisy you did stab a guy in the neck on a first

Brian Atlasdate right and so made commence to don't cast stones in Glass Houses like okay I ghosted a girl because she was 30 minutes to a date so glad him not dating

TTS Donation Readerdonated $100 complaining about Brian leaving them on re [ __ ] son you literally someone un stabbed complaining about Brian let me

Nalajust read this back in case we missed it complaining about Brian leaving them on red you literally left someone un stabbed I didn't complain that you left the girl on red or I would do the same

Nalathing I gu goes I ghost guys all the time but I'm just saying like you go you ghost guys all the time so why are you complaining yeah I'm just pointing out a specific particular manner that you that you had during the video and I think it

Nalashows more about your personality and earlier we were talking about how people like have done mistakes in the past or are they datable are they not datable and just wanted to kind of acclimate on

Brian Atlasthat but you can if you're you know cool story bro thank you for sharing Cadia if you're pissed at me for being 10 minutes late that's just

Brian AtlasPetty to me you seem like you would be too sensitive that's not manly to me uh well I didn't say 10 minutes I think I said 20 or 30 minutes

Brian Atlasum it's not Petty it's like this is your first impression when it comes to going on a date either you don't value my time like for me you think it's Petty but

Brian Atlassomething I value in a potential girlfriend partner wife is somebody who's punctual reliable stick to commitments this is your your first impression if I'm dating an adult like

Brian Atlasyou're you're an adult it's not that hard to be on time look I get it stuff happens and I said i' give I would certainly give leway you got you know something happened you you gave me a heads up that's more acceptable and I

Brian Atlasdidn't say 10 minutes 20 minutes yeah I'm dipping and I I would actually say I'd like to ask the chat let's Nick can you pull up the chat chat a girl is late to a date how L

JoJohow long do you wait until you leave without communication and I also it's also really disrespectful to the restaurant too because they plan accordingly with

TTS Donation Readerlike6 donated $100 being late is a major red flag have you ever lied about a time to help someone be on time and they are still

Brian Atlaslate yeah people are saying 10 minutes 20 minutes 10 to 15 I think you know 10 to 20 that's probably a normal range to be like yo this is you know bad first impression I might dip

Brian Atlas10 minutes damn five minutes that's I I would waigh more than that but it's each their own Cadia if you're pissed at me for being 10 minutes late that's just Petty to me you seem like you would be

Brian Atlastoo sensitive that's not manly to me no it's not it's not about being too sensitive or being petty it's just about respect and if this is going to be your first impression I mean you're going to have

Matthew Gallagherto I don't know do you have something yeah I'm not pissed ever either I just go okay good to know now now you know and uh I'll set up another date for 30 minutes later and she be on time oh [ __ ]

Madisonshould power move be on a date with someone else and she shows up oh Carl Bennington Maddie can you read it Lydia I don't care I'm Still The King god/ Rolo sto being in people's bodies do you

Brian Atlasknow this guy I'm confused wait is this the same guy the same guy is the the last part of reference to me being pro lifee wait is he doing like the squat piece okay well

Lydiawhat's up Carl I don't care what a woman does with her body she can shave her head bald she can tattoo her forehead she can Pierce her belly button I don't care that's her body her choice but a pre-born child has their own body their

Lydiaown fingers their own toes their own heartbeat they have their own body and therefore deserve their own bodily autonomy which should begin at conception when a human life begins so I don't care what a woman does with her body and I believe women's rights begin

Lydiaat conception at conception like fertilization that's do you take birth control uh no I do not do you think it should be legal um birth control can be an abor ofation that's

Matthew Gallagherwhy I'm asking because like one of the ways that it works is it thins the lining which would not allow a firm attachment of a fertilized egg right so it's a it's a little different because it's not the primary intent and there are a lot of girls that unfortunately

Lydiause it for other reasons I think that birth control in general is terrible for women hormonally yeah it's awful like my one of my best friends she's on birth control um cuz she has issues with her

TTS Donation Readermenal cycle and um I'm like girlfriend you got to get off of that it's terrible for you the BR donated $100 ratings left to right Sarah

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Brian Atlasaups actually on the birth control thing just going around um are you on birth control if so what I'm not on birth control not on birth control not on birth control no

Brian Atlasno no but I have a question for you wait before you ask your probably totally unrelated question for the dozenth time can you kindly speak speak into the

Brian Atlasmicrophone like I'm literally begging you no like please how many times have I asked you to speak into the microphone apologize can you just please just talk into the

Brian Atlasmicrophone yes uh Maddie I said no no okay besed me wait really yeah you got

Brian Atlasone yeah okay oh you got two kids the all right uh okay let's do the rating question I Qui question is about to about birth control Pro Choice pro

Nalalife um just like I know you mentioned earlier that um you were looking for a partner who was Christian so I was wondering like um does your view of like

Lydiawithin like um the circumstances of a birth control is that like coming from Faith or like just curious I mean like like is that coming from a Christian um I don't think you have to be a Christian to be

Lydiaagainst killing babies and I also don't think you have to be a Christian to see that there are issues with birth control I know a lot of non-Christian women that like are like birth control is terrible for women besides the fact that it can also kill a pre-born child um and and

Lydiaobviously most women who are taking birth control are not taking it with that intention so I fully recognize that um a lot of women just have no idea and I don't think that's something that you have to be a Christian to agree with like yes obviously as a Christian you

Lydiashould be pro-life um but I think anyone can be and I hope that the pro lifee movement is open to everyone all right Carl Bennington feminist question mark I don't judge I don't know

Brian Atlasis that the same guy it's the same guy I have never seen this guy in my life up what's up bro thank you Carl benington appreciate it man thank you you're [ __ ] Legend okay we have Stiffler

Brian Atlasgetting to this one ask everyone to rate their looks looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting with you going around the table go ahead six six six seven eight I'm

Kyliequite older I'm going to say four are you sure you're not on liquored up are you sure no I'm sorry I know are you okay do you [ __ ] have amnesia or

Brian Atlassomething I'd say maybe a four or a five okay how about scoot in will that help yeah so just [ __ ] tape it to her face so it's like in my mouth do do you

Lydiahave do we have any duct tape back there I got you no I'm just kidding must actually do um I think that we are all a 10 in God's eyes and that's all that matters sorry okay we'll talk about that kill of

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Brian Atlasrespect women and we believe women are capable of being on time let's go and yeah let's [ __ ] go let's [ __ ] go

Brian Atlaslet's [ __ ] go women are wonderful and they can be on time and reliable and punctual you're always aspiring us to be better

Brian Atlaspeople yeah I'm I'm a real Trailblazer here I want that alone just like there we go all the criticisms of the whatever podcast just totally destroyed right

Brian Atlasthere yeah right there I'm such a yeah um wait we're oh okay you were saying all all people are tens is that it and obviously there's like a a human

Lydiaperspective but I don't think that matters in the grand SCH things so all people are tense in God's eyes yes I believe that God has made us all In His Image and that we are all 10 wait so all

TTS Donation ReaderT you're all 10 thank you so when it comes to Bender the offender donated $100 so if you believe life begins at

TTS Donation Readerconception would you support a woman who seeks child support before the birth of the child Brian I think you you know what I am referencing heck yes child

Lydiasupport should begin at conception men should be held responsible 100% how can you determine who's responsible for paying the child support before birth um so I've had I've had people bring that

Lydiaup to me so obviously most women you I mean there are cases where they don't know who the father is but um I think that there we can make our best guesses and then they can like get their money

Brian Atlasback if you do a paternity test and find out that's a dog [ __ ] that's absolute as as a men's Advocate that's absolute dog [ __ ] well I value a woman being able

Lydiabeing empowered in her pregnancy and being empowered to choose life over a potential inconvenience for a man like I I do think that like men should not be taken advantage of but also don't sleep

Lydiawith women if you're not willing to pay for child support like just don't engage in activity I me he didn't do it alone what do you mean he didn't sleep with himself did like I'm not saying the man has she has no accountability there to like no no no I'm not saying that he has

Lydiato pay solely for everything but I think it should be split 50/50 throughout the pregnancy and after birth so like the money goes into an escrow until the paternity is determined I'd have to think about that

Lydiamore but um I do think that um we should like I think it would be a case by case kind of thing um but I do think that

Lydialike we should be doing our best sorry um to support um a woman in her pregnancy and if that means like sorry dude we got the wrong dad like he can

Lydiaget that back later in life and like yeah that sucks for him but I uh I'm prioritizing um the baby and the and the mother in the situation how would you

Lydiapick who to pet who has to pet I mean I feel like usually the the woman has a pretty I mean I mean she can also just say that this a d yeah she could and I think that's totally wrong and you could

Lydiado a fraternity test and be like and then she could be penalized for that do you think paternity test should be mandatory I don't think they should be mandatory but I think you should be able to get one absolutely but I also just think it it goes to this underlying

Lydiaproblem of this hookup culture where people are just hooking up with whoever they want and then um like knowing that their actions could create a human being and then just going whoa I'm not

Lydiaresponsible yeah I think that uh a huge issue like in the abortion issue is is men because we know that a majority of women who are getting abortions feel pressured into having them whether it be parent Society or the father of the

Lydiachild and I think usually from the ones I worked with it is the father of the child they hand them a credit cards they take care of it or they just leave them all together and say it's it's a woman's thing I'm not going to get involved and so I think this is hugely problem

Kylieproblematic that um men are just having sex with whoever they want and then not being held accountable for it women doing the same I think we're just not having the conversations about it before

TTS Donation Readerhow about what like the consequences of what we're getting into is doing it after I'm so glad him not dating donated $100 if you have the right to blend the

Brian Atlashead I need the right to withhold the bread financial abortion B yeah I'll address that Bender the offender I think you want me to ask this question not to

Brian Atlasher but to the other people on the panel um so there is a there is a it's called um paper abortion financial abortion but there the I think the preferred term

Brian Atlasamong uh men who advocate for this right I suppose women who advocate for this is legal paternal surrender so essentially um if a woman has a right to

Brian Atlasan abortion a man should have a corresponding right to relinquish his any financial responsibility in the same way that a woman may very well as pretext for getting an abortion she might get one because she's not

Brian Atlasfinancially able to so if the woman is able to uh abort the child murder the child however you want to frame it so too should the man have an option to Rel relinquish financial responsibility yep

Matthew Gallagherit's the only rational uh decision to make while abortion is legal and and it's up to a woman solely so like the man should be able to at least decide what he's going to do if she has a

Brian Atlasdecision there as well good it's very good point and I I definitely in any state or any country where abortion is legal there too should be a uh way for a

Brian Atlasman to do legal paternal surrender hey I'm not financially ready it's fun because when it comes to this this conversation uh even women who are

Brian Atlaspro-choice uh when it comes to the man's responsibility in the scenario they basically will argue pro-life positions right for the man yeah so they're pro-choice when it comes to wom uh

Brian Atlaswomen's responsibility but when it comes to men's responsibility they turn into like Bronze Age 1950s pro- lifers it's very uh convenient so who who hears

Kyliepro-choice yeah I wanted to go around the table on that you I'm not sure uh is we we'll wait for Julie pro-choice I'm

Matthew Gallagherpro lifee pro life oh not you and do do you support a man uh having the sort of the same decision to completely agreed what you guys were just saying I think a

JoJolot of times uh there are situations where like you guys have heard horror stories of women trying to trap celebrities into paying child support and things like that where they'll like poke hols in the condoms thing like MH

Lydiasituations like that so I think it's ridiculous that well just don't just don't have like the celebrity can still choose not to have sex like you can't put your faith in a condom like that would be like imagine there's a big red

TTS Donation Readerbutton in the middle of the table and if you push no beaten cheeks donated $100 cheeks any woman who declines a paternity test or even during dating a woman and you ask her if she against it

TTS Donation Readerbefore getting serious get rid of that woman she is a garden tool thank you beating cheeks thank you sir um can I continue yeah go ahead okay um

Lydiaso imagine there's a big red button in the middle of the table and there is a 1% chance that if you push the button a human being will be created that's fully dependent on you can you push that

Lydiabutton and then a human being be created in that 1% chance and then be like whoa I I am not responsible for this even though you are responsible for your actions of pushing the button no I don't think so so I think a if a guy is

Lydiaengaging and consider ual sex with a woman he should absolutely be responsible for the child he creates donated $100 so disappointed with my fellow

TTS Donation ReaderNorth Carolina citizen that's a ridiculous stake what exactly is the negative of making paternity tests mandatory imagine if somehow women didn't know if their kid was theirs I I

Lydiabeen gone did we talk about I don't really think we I haven't I don't really have you're against paternity test I'm not against it I just think it should be optional like for instance when I get married and I have a kid I don't need a

Lydiapaternity test to prove that it'll be my husband that helps you don't it no but some other people do and for those cases I do absolutely think they should no woman needs a well uh okay no what if

Brian Atlasyou give birth to a child you know the child's yours there might be questions as to who the father is wait so um are you pro-life or pro-choice pro-choice Pro Choice Bender I want to come back to Bender the defender because he had this

TTS Donation Readerquestion Bender the offender Dona so if you believe life begins at conception would you support a woman who seeks child support before the birth of

Brian Atlasthe child so for the ladies here who are pro-choice when it comes to child support um and perhaps we sort of preemptively talked a bit about this but

Brian Atlasfor those of you who are a pro-choice in the event of hold on I'm just reading it uh would you support a woman being able to get child support before the child is

Nalaborn no I think that's crazy no I want to say yes but also like scientifically it's so hard to like prove scientifically or like paternity

Naladetests are complicated like ideally yes I feel like if a woman is pregnant and you know the man is there like they should help out with the pregnancy but I think logistically it just not what if

JoJolike in Canada that you're able to have you can abort at any time so like what if you just want the you know the money and up until I say it's like Elon must kid I'm like oh God yeah exactly yeah I don't think that's okay I think you need to be

Nalaable to prove that the child is yours before you start paying child support for it so your position also like I'm pro-choice but I think there's like like I don't think you should be aborting a baby like when it's like almost like I guess timeline wise when it the first

Lydiafeel the heartbeat is like that's when I'm like okay so you're against it after heartbeat so you're basically against all abortion because a heartbeat begins 21 days after conception which is before most women even know they're

Nalapregnant I would have to do a little more research on that what um like I don't like what I was trying to say is that like I guess you can like the first dat that you know you're pregnant like

Nalayou should like if that is like a choice you want to make you should make it there should be like a timeline or like a I'm not familiar with like the weeks of whatever but like at certain point you're if you're past that point you

Lydiashouldn't you should not be so are you saying that no matter when a woman finds out she's pregnant she should be able to like have a to decide whether or not she wants to keep it no matter what time not not no matter what time if it's earlier

Lydialike if it's a day or two finding out yeah she should be able what do you mean a day or two find out like five weeks 6 weeks I mean obviously I'm not familiar with like the what weeks are L the earliest you can find out is usually like four weeks and that's usually

Lydiapretty rare usually it's around 5 to 6 weeks I would say like eight weeks8 weeks is the cut off and are you just making op obviously are you just making like an arbitrary line on that or do you

Nalahave any like reasoning behind it I mean I just think it makes more sense to like kind of like because for a woman they need to decide because it's their body and I know earlier you were talking

Nalaabout financial responsibility and I wanted to make a point that yes like men men or should be responsible for the child support but also like they've made

Nalathe decision to have sex with that woman and if they want to if the woman has the option to get an abortion that's because it's in their body like a me like men are

Brian Atlasso why why can't we apply the argument of so you're saying men they should have just kept it in their pants you made the choice to have sex consenting to sex as

Brian Atlasa man is consenting to 18 years of child support but consenting to sex as a woman means you can murder your unborn child that's your position essentially I don't

Brian Atlassee it as murder unless like fine I'll be I'll be charitable it's an abortion women can get rid of the terminate the pregnancy what exactly do you think happens in abortion if it's hold on let's not get detailed here but um oh my

Brian Atlasgosh she's ready to go in but like perhaps we can Circle back to the abortion conversation but can you provide a bit of clarification right my question was so would you support a

Nalawoman who seeks child support before the birth of the child I said like I want I think it does make sense if a woman is pregnant and she needs like supplies or certain things for being pregnant I

Nalathink the men should definitely support but also like I know because of paternity test and like science is kind of complicated to confirm um before the money's being paid out so logistically

Brian Atlasit doesn't make sense but ethically I do believe in that scenario at what so do you think that the man should be paying child support from the point of

Brian Atlasconception um like from the point of being positive on the pregnancy test let's just say there was some magical way for a woman to know let's I mean I think what within 72 hours of having

Brian Atlassexual intercourse if there was some magical way to know she was pregnant I know some pregnancy tests can take you might know how like how four weeks four weeks is generally the earliest yeah so let's just say magically you can know

Brian Atlaswithin a a week of having had sex so do you think that the man should be responsible for paying child support from the point of conception assuming there's some magical method of knowing

Lydiahow if she was that plus magical way of confirming that that is the F yes okay but you think that same woman should be able to kill her child you

Lydiathink that a man should be forced to pay before that point before that um but it's not a child yet what do you mean your argument is that it's not a child yet so why do you care so much if uh if

Nalaa guy pays for it like between the time of conception until I'm sorry I'm not familiar with the weeks but the certain week that you mentioned I think the woman should have the right to Cho right

Lydiaof choice but also during that period men should not be responsible for paying it but after that point that like you know so after heartbeat I think you said they both should be allow they both shouldn't be allowed to either

Nalafinancially abort or actually abort the baby yes but I want to add an extra week because I didn't know that that's like the earliest you can find out you know now I know no thank you for the good good times all right we have dog dwood

Brian AtlasLydia fan club in the house you rock Lydia your based Legend thank you I think I I might know this person is this Daniel I think so thank you thank you all right let me read a couple chats I will come back we are going to come back to the 1 to 10 rating thing here um

MadisonMaddie can you read this the Harley Quinn religious chick on the left wants men to pay for women's stupidity when they get pregnant it's always funny how men have to be accountable for their actions but women are given a free just

TTS Donation ReaderT what Doo donated $200 CS abortion regardless of who pays for it is robbing men of fatherhood and women of motherhood every woman has the

Brian Atlasability to be a great mother to her child abortion takes it away from women I'm just a guy what do I know hey thank you man for your patronage tonight uh

Brian Atlasbig another 200 TTS thank you man really appreciate it um regardless of who pays for it robbing men of the fatherhood every every woman has the ability to be a great

Brian Atlasmother every woman they have the ability everyone has the ability to it doesn't mean that you will be a great mother but that doesn't just I don't know about every woman a lot of women I'll give you

Lydiaevery woman I don't know everyone has the ability it doesn't mean that they will be a great mother but that still doesn't justif who's like a historical figure

Brian Atlaswho's a woman who's just terrible just awful person some sort ofan probably terrible person oh oh my God I feel like this might be too soon wait what's the her

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