She Tried To MURDER Tinder Date?! E-GIRLS! SUPER Feminist Returns?! NALA SAVED?! | Dating Talk #144

Date: 2024-03-18

Duration: 6h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

JJulie (DT171)>

KKylie (DT144)>

LLydia (DT144)>

MMatthew (DT145)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Lydia(guest)

SPEAKER_03Julie(guest)

SPEAKER_04Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kylie(guest)

SPEAKER_07Matthew Gallagher(guest)

SPEAKER_09JoJo(guest)

SPEAKER_10Nala(guest)

SPEAKER_12Malia(guest)

Key Moments

IntroBrian introduces returning guests JoJo, Julie, Malia, Matthew and new guests Nala, Kylie, Madison, and Lydia. Notable: Nala and Kylie arrived late. Lydia is engaged; Julie is in a new LDR since last appearance.

“"without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves"”

ControversyNala (SPEAKER_10) discloses she stabbed a Tinder date twice in the neck in Las Vegas (2021) while off her bipolar/schizophrenia medication. Was in delusional state; told police it was revenge for Soleimani (later disavowed). Spent 6 weeks in jail; pled to 2 counts false imprisonment; serving probation. Brian argues a man in same position would have faced much longer sentence. Nala argues women's prison statistics show they have it harder (disputed).

“"I ended up um harm him and stop him twice in the neck during sex"”

Key MomentBrian argues female privilege in sentencing: Nala got probation for stabbing; a California woman who stabbed her boyfriend 108 times got probation. Brian states a man in the same situation would face significant prison time. Nala challenges this, citing mental health and criminal history context.

“"if we put a man in that woman's position... there would be significantly long prison sentences"”

Key MomentJoJo (returning guest, prior "super feminist" episode) maintains women can be primary victims of war by redefining "victim" as those who suffer most vs those who die most. Brian shows D-Day Into the Jaws of Death photograph. Matthew explains that death is the worst victimhood; widow suffers but soldier is primary victim. JoJo ultimately concedes men are primary casualties but maintains women suffer as victims too.

“"women I'll still stand by you are not saying that I'm still standing by it"”

Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Matthew asks panel to rate themselves on looks 1-10. Matthew self-rates 7 (currently); potential 8 if in peak shape. Brian: 5 currently; potential 7-7.5. Lydia refuses objective rating ("everyone's a 10 in God's eyes"). Extended debate follows on whether all sinners are equally evil — specifically whether Madison Vu is as evil as Hitler in God's eyes. Lydia: yes (all equally deserving of eternal death).

“"what does everyone rate themselves on a scale of 1 to 10"”

ControversyLydia (SPEAKER_02) maintains Hitler and Madison are equally evil in God's eyes (all sinners equally deserving of eternal death). Brian repeatedly presses her to say Hitler is more evil. She concedes Hitler's actions are worse but holds the theological position on equal sinfulness. Matthew (SPEAKER_07) asks if Hitler could go to heaven if he accepted Christ before death. Lydia: yes. Matthew: that doesn't seem right. Eventually someone in the room flatulates, diffusing the tension.

“"who is more evil Madison or Hitler... I think that is that the word you used... equally evil"”

Key MomentBody count round prompted by TTS donation from "Stiffler." JoJo: 8, Julie: 7, Malia: 6, Kylie: 7 (admitted range 10-20 when pressed), Nala: same as prior appearance (8, celibate since incident). Discussion of whether women underreport by factor of 3.

“"we're going to have Madison start on this stiffmeister ask the ladies their body count"”

Key MomentMatthew (SPEAKER_07) discloses divorce details: married 8 years, ex-wife was a hair stylist who moved to LA; got pregnant 2 months after meeting. Paid 4 years of alimony; ex-wife became a millionaire from settlement. Community property law: she got half of gifts he bought himself. If they had been married 10 years, alimony would have been indefinite. Made his last alimony payment this month.

“"I mean she became a millionaire from our divorce"”

Key MomentBrian probes Kylie on her 15-year chaotic relationship (ages 20-32). Partner was bipolar, manic, drug addict, physically violent once, involved in criminality. Got shot in college during police raid over a weed plant. Passed away from overdose ~1 year prior. Kylie had only one other relationship in that period (3 years; rebound; ended mutually). Brian summarizes: she gave her best years (20-34) to a bipolar drug addict.

“"you gave arguably your best years from 20 to 34 to a bipolar chaotic drug addict"”

QuoteBrian states his marriage position as a businessman: "we're businessmen... as a businessman we don't sign contracts that don't benefit us therefore no marriage for the boys."

“"as a businessman we don't sign contracts that don't benefit us therefore no marriage for the boys"”

QuoteBrian plays clip of Nala Ray apparently quitting OnlyFans and takes full credit: "we did it boys we did it we saved one only fans girl one porn star... totally because of the whatever podcast father I'm taking full credit."

“"we saved we saved one only fans girl one porn star it was because obviously totally because of the whatever podcast"”

OtherEnd of show. Brian does outro; plans raid on Eson on Twitch (Grand Theft Auto 5). Matthew plugs watchgang.com; announces special giveaway for viewers on Tuesday episode. 07s in the chat. Show ends ~6:37.

“"07s in the chat good night guys"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship statuses

Eight guests introduce themselves: JoJo (returning; masters student, international affairs; single 2+ yrs; celibate ~2 yrs), Julie (returning; 25, BC Canada, student + OnlyFans; now in LDR 7 months), Malia (returning; 27, OnlyFans mgmt; single 2.5 yrs), Nala (23, Dallas, business student; mental health advocate; bipolar/schizophrenia; on probation), Kylie (34, FL; bartender/yoga teacher; 1.5 hrs late), Madison (19, SD/SB, Whatever staff + SBCC student), Lydia (21, NC, Students for Life spokesperson; engaged), Matthew (38, LA, CEO watchgang.com; returning; divorced).

Kylie lateness debate

Kylie (SPEAKER_05) arrives 1 hour 30 minutes late. Brian debates accountability, punctuality, and whether women have inherent leeway to be late. Kylie argues men need more patience; Brian disputes this as removing female agency. Nala (SPEAKER_10) also arrived ~1 hour late. TTS donations mock the lateness repeatedly. Discussion pivots to general dating context: is being late on a first date forgivable; how long would you wait at a restaurant. Brian references cell phones enabling flakiness. Kylie eventually goes to the bathroom mid-discussion; conversation continues.

Nala's Las Vegas stabbing incident

Nala (SPEAKER_10) describes stabbing a Tinder date twice in the neck in Las Vegas (2021). Was off bipolar/schizophrenia medication; also under drugs/alcohol. In a delusional/hallucinatory state; told police she did it in revenge for Soleimani (disavowed). Victim survived; wounds were minor; did not go to hospital. Nala spent 6 weeks in jail pending competency hearing. Pled to 2 counts of false imprisonment; 3-5 year probation (no prison time). Brian argues a man in the same situation would have faced much harsher sentencing (female privilege). Nala argues the justice system is context-dependent; cites mental health factors. Debate about women's prisons vs men's prisons: Nala claims women die at higher rates in jail; Brian strongly disputes this; TTS donation later cites PBS study (7% higher mortality rate due to illness/suicide/overdose — not violence).

Women as primary victims of war (JoJo returns)

JoJo (SPEAKER_09) maintains women can be primary victims of war. She redefines "victim" as those who suffer most, not those who die most. Matthew (SPEAKER_07) and Brian (SPEAKER_01) argue men are clearly the primary casualties. Brian shows D-Day photograph (Into the Jaws of Death) — no women in the image. JoJo acknowledges men are the primary casualties but maintains that widows and invaded populations suffer as victims. Matthew: death is the worst victimhood; the widow is a victim but the dead soldier is the primary victim. Debate reaches qualified agreement.

Pro-life vs pro-choice debate

Lydia (SPEAKER_02) presents pro-life position as spokesperson for Students for Life of America. Brings model fetal development props; throws one toward Brian at end. Brian and Matthew take more neutral/devil's advocate positions. Julie (SPEAKER_03) raises abortion pills and women knowing what they are doing. Lydia: women who knowingly abort should be held accountable. Brian proposes artificial wombs as compromise; panel mixed. Catholic TTS donation chimes in with faith-based argument. Brian identifies as Catholic and does not believe in reincarnation.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Matthew (SPEAKER_07) asks panel to rate themselves on looks 1-10. Matthew: 7 (currently); potential 8 if in peak shape/ripped. Brian: 5 (currently; potential 7-7.5 in prime shape). Lydia (SPEAKER_02): "everybody's a 10 in God's eyes" — refuses objective rating. Discussion of what "objective" vs "subjective" attractiveness means. Brian presses with Hitler vs Madison Vu: are they equally evil in God's eyes? Lydia maintains all sinners are equally deserving of Eternal death. Extended theological debate about sin, evil, and whether Hitler could go to heaven if he accepted Christ before death.

Body count round

Brian asks panel for body counts (prompted by Stiffler TTS donation). Results: JoJo (SPEAKER_09): 8 (same as prior appearance). Julie (SPEAKER_03): 7. Malia (SPEAKER_12): 6. Kylie (SPEAKER_05): 7 (stated first); range confirmed 10-20 when pressed. Nala (SPEAKER_10): same as prior appearance (8, celibate since incident). Lydia (SPEAKER_02): not stated (engaged Christian; body count discussion deflected to faith). Matthew: declined (not required for males on this question). Discussion follows on whether women lie about body count; whether men care about body count is insecure or a valid preference.

Marriage, alimony, and divorce laws

Matthew (SPEAKER_07) shares his divorce experience: married 8 years, 2 kids, paid 4 years of alimony, ex-wife (former hair stylist) became a millionaire. Community property law: she got half of gifts he bought himself. Brian: California divorce laws disincentivize men from marrying; 80% of divorces initiated by women. Lydia (SPEAKER_02) argues marriage provides stability and security for women; security for men too. Brian: marriage gives women financial incentive to leave; no equivalent incentive to stay. Matthew: would not get married again; dates for connection without needing marriage. JoJo (SPEAKER_09): would not change her last name; does not care about marriage either way. Discussion of prenups; attorney financial incentives; community property quirks.

Kylie's 15-year relationship and chaotic ex

Brian probes Kylie (SPEAKER_05) on her 15-year on/off relationship with a bipolar man. They met at 14 (friends in high school), dated from college (age 20) to 32. Three breakups; she initiated last two, he initiated the middle one. He was bipolar (undiagnosed), manic, made bad decisions: got shot in college during police raid over a weed plant; physical violence with Kylie once; involved in criminality; drug addiction. Passed away from overdose ~1 year before this taping. Kylie had one other relationship (3 years; rebound from high school friend; ended due to stagnation and dead bedroom). Brian: she gave her best years (20-34) to a chaotic drug addict. Now in a 10-month talking stage with a man who returned from oil rig work in Texas.

Does men disliking challenges in dating make them beta?

Twitter post debated: "men don't want soft feminine women — they want bold dominant women who are submissive for them." Brian disagrees: he does not want a woman who plays hard to get or is a challenge. Nala (SPEAKER_10) argues that playing hard to get creates more excitement (hunter-gatherer). Brian: Proverbs 21:19 ("better to live in a desert than with a quarrelsome wife"). Matthew (SPEAKER_07): men like conquest; the challenge aspect makes some sense. Lydia (SPEAKER_02): going to take her husband's last name; finds independence compatible with femininity. Brian: the most alpha men have women throwing themselves at them; the chase is a waste of time. "Play hard to get, quickly become hard to want."

Nala Ray "SAVED" — OnlyFans quit announcement

Brian plays a clip of prior Whatever guest Nala Ray (not present in studio) apparently quitting OnlyFans. Brian takes full credit for this decision on behalf of the Whatever Podcast. Panel reacts. Brian then discusses OnlyFans with Julie (SPEAKER_03): what it would take for Julie to quit. Julie: equivalent-paying legitimate job. Works enough hours to pay rent and fund school. Does not do custom/DM content; just posts. Boyfriend does not subscribe; she has not asked him. Does not want to do OnlyFans forever; plans to use degree after graduation.

Transcript

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Naladon't know just so what was your answer what was your answer um I said Donald Trump and then I said I would rather have neither because those are not ideal I would rather be single but I'd like

Brian Atlasambition like to me Ambition is something that I want this is exactly why I don't listen to women it's because you can't make like a concise

Brian AtlasPoint well we did so all women I'm responding I'm responding to her her Clans women bro it's like generalizing

Brian Atlasthe way you the way you structured your sentence was like Donald Trump question mark and then the the succeeding things you said did not make it evidently clear

Nalawhat your answer was because you the the preceding statements were like well uh need this is not an SAT test this is not like Circle A and B this is a podcast and I want to share my perspective maybe

Brian Atlasit doesn't fit in a specific bro but it's it's one or the other you know would you rather do you know the would you rather G it's typically two

Brian Atlasundesirable they and would you rather they give you two undesirable situations and you pick of the two undesirables it's not well I don't want to do either just engage with the question it's not

Nalathat hard I engage with the question yeah after you meandered to the point oh my God bro holy [ __ ] okay if you're making this point like why are you meand ING with like me or her being late here because like we could have like honestly

Nalajust skipped it had a wonderful conversation you could have just been like yo like you came in too late we can't take you on but also so you're mad at me for being accommodating to your

Nalainconsideration and tardiness no I'm not saying that and first of all I apologize I apologize to you but there's a difference between like decorum but also lingering into things that don't need to

Nalabe lingered on maybe I like to linger I'm a lingerer i linger he likes okay and uh and I'll linger into how you're not datable at all so that's cool crazy

Brian Atlasthis is Rich coming from the woman who let's see you know you did stab your Tinder date and living onore donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 can the skito please poke Brian for all of us Brian keeps saying let's move on but we have talked about being late in jail for the last 5 hours also I'll

Nalaget in on the chair bidding just changed the title like being laid debate honestly but um no but I'll poke you with my arguments List It

Brian AtlasUp burn roasted um what the heck found the biased article local jail only not prison women deaths per prisoner

Brian Atlasoutpaced men in two out of 19 years studied headline women die more than men truth one out of every 9.5 years okay hey thank you man appreciate it um cool wait so okay we were going around the oh

Kylieno you were making wait we were going around the table on Donald Trump or loser soot loser women like to explain why they're going to choose something first so that cuz especially stop stop being [ __ ] meta just answer the

Kylie[ __ ] question it's about energy Donald Trump if he's huh it's Donald Trump because he's putting out energy he wants to create something okay Donald Trump right okay I have a clarifying

Unknownquestion is the single hot loser or Christian he's just sure sure okay all right hot loser let's go let's go honesty what about you

Brian AtlasBrian okay well we'll have to reframe it I'll reframe it for me and Matthew here so uh would the reframe be Hillary

Brian AtlasClinton versus uh like hot 21-year-old who works at McDonald's and has no ambition yeah I'll take the the chick who works at McDonald's over

Nalaactually can I Hillary Clinton a little bit better it's kind of like not equal wow that sounds like exactly the same because some men actually don't

Nalareally care about the woman's job and if they're that's the point of the question well

Brian Atlassorry I need to [ __ ] meditate for okay um all right right where were we you were making the point that it is the the male female

KylieDynamic for women to be late is that was that the point you were trying to arrive at is it not like in every single movie or into the mic C is it not in every

Brian Atlassingle movie or like stereotype about a woman being late getting ready for a man that sounds like a really great way to take no accountability and justify your

Brian Atlaslack of accountability no no no I'm not speaking specifically about you but you're relinquishing agency from women women are just as capable as men of

Brian Atlasbeing punctual reliable sticking to their commitments there's not some like thing where women are not capable of doing that in fact it's a rather

Brian Atlassexist position to say that women are not capable of being responsible adults who can show up on time I agree with you but I think women are also more intuitive like they're following a certain like

Juliethings that are important to them in their own path versus men are say thec wasn't important to you then cuz we all showed up early I'm not saying it's not and I apologize

KylieTOS let's dive into that so if you don't want me here I'm I will leave I honestly wasn't even planning on coming in if you guys had started but I said I would give it a try

Brian Atlasokay for a point of clarification I didn't want to continue having a meta conversation about the fact that you were an hour and a half late now we're having a generalized

Brian Atlasconversation about women being late in a dating context I'm happy to go there but since you brought it back to the meta conversation about you specifically

Brian Atlasbeing an hour and a half late to the show you you said well women prioritize other things and they have other things going on so you said you flew in when

Kyliedid you arrive today uh 9 around 9:45 and did you have some other thing that you had to I'm with a group of people I'm with my family here so like we were

Kyliefiguring out we were staying we ran out a car we ended up with Airbnb at 9:00 a.m. no we ended up there around 12:00 and then there was a

Kyliecleaning lady there and then she didn't want us to stay at first but then she said it was okay because the doctor that uh came with us he's not feeling well he just got over a cold okay so we're not

Brian AtlasGNA Linger on the details of you being an hour and a half late I'd like a better explanation though of this whole well isn't that the dance between

Brian Atlasmen and women so what is your position exactly you're saying that like women are these sort of creatures that can't be on time what what are you saying I'm so glad I'm not dating

TTS Donation Readerdonated $100 10 plus years in the workforce less than a hand times I've been late never for an interview there was over 2,000

Brian Atlaspeople waiting it's horrendously disrespectful at the least Brian for the win thank you man appreciate it um oh we have another chat coming in okay uh hold

TTS Donation Readeron it's coming in in just a sec I'm so glad I'm not dating I appreciate your uh patronage and thank you thank you very much kilo of cereal donated $100 women late stereotype is BS at what

TTS Donation Readerpoint are you just supposed to be a responsible adult with time management I wonder if your boss would be okay with tardus because you're a female do you want to respond to that

Julieyeah they don't understand my situation or like you know I just feel like cuz I I'm I flew all the way from Canada and I planned accordingly like you knew you were you're an only fans Creator are you

Kylienot and what does have do and she was still more punctual than you so I money right like you're here promoting yourself I'm here at the end of the day you were late and you wasted everyone's time and there's consequences and so the

Maliaconsequences that Brian's going to poke a little bit of fun you can handle it that's why I'm not talk about it for an hour and a half that's fine Mia the ti me up let me be the P it's okay

Brian Atlaswe're here it's but there's going to be a little bit of joke I want to dive God what's going on Nick just can you speak closer oh yeah okay let's dive a little bit into you made a comment about her doing only fans what did you what did

Julieyou mean by that it's more of an incentive to be on time I I do not give a [ __ ] these are my two best friends I came here for them more than anything being on this podcast is obviously great like it's fun but this was not the main

Brian Atlasreason and at all so she values being on the podcast what's the point wait how about the what's the point how about the impetus how about regardless of like what you stand to personally gain by

Brian Atlasbeing on the podcast I think that's irrelevant when when it comes to your punctuality whether whether you have hundreds of thousands to of dollars to gain from being on the podcast or you

Brian Atlashave zero to gain your word has to mean something yeah that that's what's important hey I'm going to be here at this time it's just the courteous thing that's it let let's also back up you

Kyliesaid you're a fan of the show yeah I just don't know how to like travel and time manage I don't travel often for work so it's not like it's a new you should you should plan in advance and

Nalabeen I'm not it's not an excuse I apologize for wasting is important and apologies have been made and I think we

Brian Atlasshould I can bow to everybody the B the Bow's F I'll b sing I'll pass on the bow um for the record I think that the

Lydiastereotype that women are late can sometimes be true I think women take longer to get ready just cuz like we have hair and makeup to do but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be held accountable when we are late like for instance I planned accordingly I got in

Lydiayesterday and I spent time and she apologized and I think people make mistakes and that's okay doesn't mean we're not holding them accountable but I do think there is something to note I still think even with like you need to do your hair and makeup like you should

Maliaknow you should plan accordingly like get it done and get there on time you're respons never been light to late to something important ever in your life say you can't be late but if you're late

Nalathey're going to poke fun at it it's not a big deal it has on everybody's life where you been late something I'm I'm going to give you some context real quick from an outsider's

Matthew Gallagherperspective so I like you mentioned that Brian is angry right and you when you were late and you came in you mentioned that he could speed things up by providing everybody a release ahead of

Matthew Gallaghertime these things are irritating to somebody that is already dealing with the lateness right and it's a business for him it's not just like showing up and sitting down and hanging out and so what what you're seeing like the

Matthew Gallagherirritation comes from that and then it's the way that you you deal with being called out on it is probably more important you know at that point and then we're going to talk about it for a long time probably until uh you know

Nalathat kind of registers um that's just what it feels like to me couple different things i' I've seen Brian's podcast one he's angry and almost all his podcasts but secondly when I when I came here I'm

Brian Atlasactually pretty charitable i' say I'm pretty charitable most of the time people viewers have their perspectives of the video but anyways whenever you mention that night in Vegas you mentioned the I'm trying to

Nalabe respectful and answer a question that was asked for me so whenever you were mentioning the release form we were sitting down and you know the show wasn't starting yet so I was like might

Nalaas well use my time and take a picture of a form which took 3 seconds it didn't delay the show on the matter of me being here I was already here I was like 30 minutes but I'm just saying whenever I

Nalacame here who the hell use that time like why not I would have done that if everybody was sitting down and y'all were trying to like roll up and start it and I'm like actually hold up let me do this like that one was

Juliesitting down we were trying to get that's the thing is we were trying to kind of sort things out while we were all sitting around together and you just got up and like started doing like if you had said like hey actually I'm going to go sign the release for that would have made sense but you just got up didn't say anything to anyone we didn't know what was going on how long was it

Kylieuntil I took the picture and came back to sit down it you were arguing with them before you sat down I also think it's really important to like meet with people before and build rapport and that's something I really want to do got earlier to do that you know what I mean

Nalaso I'm I'm upset for myself that I didn't get here earlier for the Rapport building yeah that would have been nice I'm being genuine like I well also you said this is a business so I was just trying to give you business advice if

Brian Atlasyou don't like it holy [ __ ] just stop just stop just stop um I don't even know look oh my go your whole arguments about well cuz you were talking you were challenging them well

Brian Atlasyou haven't you ever been late to something but like do you realize like there's being late 10 5 minutes 10 minutes 15 minutes and then there's

Brian Atlasbeing like what the like egregious late you were an hour late you were an hour and 30 minutes late that's [ __ ] crazy now you guys say Wella my time

Brian Atlasmanagement look when you wake up in the morning you go on your Maps app you like uh Google Maps or uh the Apple Maps whoops sorry holy [ __ ]

Brian Atlascame out of nowhere it's really good at predictive timing so you could put that [ __ ] in at 7:00 a.m. it'll tell you how long $100 in the Army if I was late to the 15

TTS Donation Readerminutes early formation my life would be hell I'd also have to do 200 to 300 plus pushups I'd like to see the late 304s do

JoJopush-ups thank maybe they can learn through pain I don't think I can do I do I bust out the dunce C where's I don't no it's okay it's okay

JoJowell okay these apps also now can actually plan like ways for example you can plan a drive and it'll try to account for the traffic if I yeah I'll Che out but also like what do you mean

Brian Atlascheck it out you how long have you had a iPhone for Apple Apple Maps Google Maps if you type in the address I'll do this before I'm planning like an hour before I'm even planning to leave so I know

Brian Atlaslike okay shoot I got to leave at this time you can plan it in and it'll predictively tell you your ETA you can even say you can even plan something no you can even hold on stop a gen Z but

Brian Atlasalso stop stop talking shame me for not knowing stop talking stop so you can even put it in and then oh I want to leave two weeks from now on a Tuesday at

Brian Atlas3 p.m. and it'll predictively tell you at that time how long it'll be and we in our pre-show notes we actually tell you hey plan ahead please arrive on time uh plug it into the maps apps so that you

Brian Atlascan arrive on time and know how long it's going to take to arrive that's it easy I didn't know well what do you mean you didn't know I've never seen that feature you've never used you me

Nalathe app the map I used the map but I didn't know you could change like what time you're going to it would just pull up if goog google.com you can do that [ __ ] in Google well thank you for letting me know but also like earlier you were shaming me for like wanting to

Nalabe on my phone being gen Z but now that I don't know a specific feature on an app I'm being shame for it like double bind kind of decide if it's good to be technology or not okay going back to you

Brian Atlasdisregarded so going back to you let's actually have a conversation about the dating component of this so your position is what when it comes to dating and being

Kylielate as a woman that there's a reason why men there's a reason why men and women are different so men use a different part of their brain and women are usually late because they're trying to get ready for their man or

JulieI don't think that's a good excuse I think if if you really care about a man and respect him you're going to be there on time time I agree I mean it's not I don't know what you're dating donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 hahaa she wants to give business advice so first what you do is stab them in the neck Quakes no wrong situation

Brian Atlasanyways about those release forms Brian this is Sparta please uh yo I'm so glad I'm not dating thank

Brian Atlasyou man appreciate it yeah it's uh it's quite a doozy today um okay so your position is what my position is I apologize no no no no no no no no no

Brian Atlasokay i' I've already told you position do you want to know like where my brain goes no stop I've already moved on from The Meta conversation about you as

Brian Atlasthis you're very like self-centered you know the concept solipsism mhm you thinking you're the center of the universe I'm I'm asking about your

Brian Atlasposition as a general dating stance you're saying that women have less agency when it comes to being on time in a general dating context forget that you were an hour and 30 minutes late just

Kylieaddress the actual point you were trying to make no I'm not saying that that's exactly what you were saying I'm saying it's like how much energy the other person's putting into the situation how much the other person puts back

Brian Atlasso I'm just just so I understand so is your justification that women have leeway to be late because they put on makeup and take a bit of extra time to get ready is

Lydiathat your argument my thing was commenting that it's a stereotype for a reason yeah that's it it's not a justification it's not a justification is what it is and it doesn't mean we shouldn't be held accountable like there's no excuse if I'm late for

Kyliesomething that's not excuse but there are usually reasons and usually women's reasons a lot different I humbly take my spanking from anyone else who wants to verbally give it to me that's fine it seems like you're walking back your

Brian Atlasposition a little bit because I'm giving you push back on your position because you were you originally claiming that well this is just kind of the the fanciful way that women are we're we're

Brian Atlasjust sort of these you know creatures that just you know we just we're late you know whatever it's because we got to put on our makeup that seemed to be your previous position now you're saying well

Kylieno it's I'm actually just pointing out the stereotype so which one is it my position is that men need to learn more patience I think well see now okay

Brian Atlaslet me that's something that I can address so not you necessarily this is your podcast you're running a business you humbly have so in a dating context no oh my God the solipsism is really

Brian Atlasinsane with you again I'm not talking about your specific you being an hour and 30 minutes late to this podcast so when it comes to a general

Brian Atlasdating uh context is your position that men need to learn more patience because women are going to be late for dates is that your

Brian Atlasargument because that's the words that just came out of your mouth men need to be men need to accept women's tardiness men need to be more patient I don't think I said any of this no that's literally what you said you just did you not just say men need to learn to be

Brian Atlasmore patient Am I Wrong did she not just say men need to learn bro this is a scary woman I'm being dead serious like

Kylieit's scary in the sense that like you just said something you just said something and now you're denying that you said it but we're having like a conversation and so like we're we're talking about dtive from the things that

Julieyou've said is that cuz that's what it's led into that's that's what you're saying is that's what it sounds like not even deducted she just said it she just said men should be more patient like I'm not gaslighting right those are

Kyliethe words and I'm I feel like I accurately um well I was just thinking of like when she's trying to get like her point across and you angry holy [ __ ] kindly speak into the microphone it's a

Matthew Gallagherlittle bit of patience like just taking a breath sometimes instead of snapping like women are more we're trying to have more of a like General conversation let go of the we're talking about dating

Kyliethese two specific situations are you liquored up are like are you I'm fine I have I have to go to the restroom really bad I've been driving for like four and a half hours and I'm a little bit nervous get go to the bathroom get up

Brian Atlasand go by the front the door's open you can just get up and go you okay yeah yeah you can come back but yeah go empty empty out your bladder maybe maybe that'll help maybe it's backed up or

Lydiasomething I mean hey sometimes I really have to pee I can't think so hey I feel like what she was trying to say is that like it's expected men should like I think everyone should be more patient like I think yeah patience is great but

Lydiathat doesn't excuse when someone is late like you can be patient like I do think like Brian if you had to sit for 3 hours and do your hair and makeup you might have some more patience that doesn't excuse being late I take over an hour to

Maliado my makeup and I have no patience at all you also just can't evade the consequences of your actions if you're late that's going to happen men don't need to learn more patience you should probably just sit with the consequences and get over it

Brian Atlashere let's be let's be CH let's be charitable here so her position is so okay let's say you're meeting someone

Brian Atlasfor a date right and the guy says well meet me at 5 500 p.m. 5 colon 0000 not just 5:00 p.m. like 5000 5:00 p.m. we're

Brian Atlasgoing to go get dinner um let's say that she's 20 minutes late does the man need to learn more patience or does she need to learn to be on time she needs to be

Nalaon time why can't it be both yeah minutes of vitim blaming let's just see the force from the trees we like I was 30 minutes an

Nalahour late and she was an hour and 30 minutes late we both apologized we both acknowledged that being on time is good and we just wanted to move on and since we are moving bro I've said I've repeated

Brian Atlasmyself multiple times we're having a general conversation I've moved on from the fact that you were that you were I'm saying like an hour later

Nalaand she was an hour and 30 minutes late we're having a general conversation I know you want to make it about you Contex because she was under pressure whenever we were talking about

TTS Donation Readerthat stuff so whenever she said those living $100 this is so awkward we all know she's pissing listening to y' talk about her L but my thing is also like if if

Julieyou were sitting at a restaurant and you're waiting 20 minutes for your date to show up would you not get upset like I would be very upset you could be upset but you can still like patient yeah at that point I'd be like 20 minutes let's talk about that let's talk about that let's try to keep it just dating related

Julieit depends on what the reason was though like if she was like my dog died I'm going be like oh I'm so sorry well yeah yeah yeah I mean if you if you call me but like if I'm sitting there alone I have I have no word from now I'm going to be very upet I would be pissed too if

JoJosomeone just like had no word a lot of restaurants also don't seat you unless you're full parties there so it's not you can't even order food and like we'll get into the late thing okay the the reasoning wait go let me read a couple

Brian Atlaschats then we'll get into the late thing okay so Donald Trump's Brown ey okay that is crazy screw Brian would you date Matt let's make this weird uh so going around the table Oh I thought he was asking

JoJoyou no I think that's what the question was oh he said no no not I thought he saying for girl would you date Matt would you date Matt again I don't know you well enough maybe if you're a cool dude like I said before he's got cool

Nalatattoos if you're a cool dude maybe again regardless of the relationship I don't know anything about you so no he's got cool tattoos I might I might I I mean you seem successful and a lot more

Nalacalmer than Brian so I would consider but again Dono calm we hav at first glance I would consider you both options and the reason

TTS Donation Readerwhy this is so awkward is because you asked them donated 100 Brian has the patience to sit with glueless irresponsible 304 on a weekly

TTS Donation Readerbasis Brian gives tons of chances for bad behavior how late would you actually wait for a date until it's unacceptable well we'll get into this in just a second Killa of Serial thank you for your uh patronage man really appreciate

Brian Atlasit appreciate all your patronage tonight by the way and yeah dude I mean week after week two times a week for it's been almost two years uh like a year and a half or so so it starts to grade on

Brian Atlasyou you know you start like for example right we won't Linger on this long but like it's like the teacher that that's heard all the excuses my dog ate the homework my grandma died for the fifth time it's

Brian Atlaslike I've heard all the excuses Al for example we'll have girls who oh I can't make it I'm sick and then like you look at their Instagram story later that night they're out clubbing and partying I've Seen It All I've heard all the

Brian Atlasexcuses I'm jaded as [ __ ] so I have very little patience when it comes to like all these [ __ ] excuses like I don't know it's it's just like yo for me if I say I'm going to be

Brian Atlassomewhere I'm going to be somewhere if I say I'm going to be on time I'm going to be on time I'm not going to cancel my plans if if I give my friend if I promise him I'm going to be there for

Brian Atlasfor you for something and something conceivably better pops up I'm I'm going to stick with my plan with my friend because I gave him my word and I think that's something that's very lacking

Brian Atlaspeople will switch up really quick and it's really a I think to blame his cell phones cuz in the past if you said if I told a friend I'll be there at 3:00 p.m.

Brian AtlasI can't text you and say oh hey man can we push an hour no like cell phones have have made it so easy for people to flake or cancel or

Juliepostpone [ __ ] so anyways um that's that's very Boomer of you to blame cell phones I'm 34 so I remember when I was a kid like I used to I didn't have a phone oh I'll see you at 3 p.m. here well I

Brian Atlasthink even with a cell phone you I mean if you make that to someone you should follow through with it course of course um we're coming back to that we have Carl Bennington I love [ __ ] if you're

Nalanot one that I'm not interested anymore okay certified certifi certified can I respond to that Ralph see comment I'm I'm about to pull it up you can hold on just a

Madisonsec all right we have CJ um oh Maddie can you read this stabby Mi stavon makes JoJo look rational JoJo dear have you rethought your position on who suffers more from more winky face redeem

Madisonyourself or reclaim your place a top mount delusional go wait okay so going around the table who do you

JoJothink is the primary victim of war men or women okay I want to clarify just like every single time I've clarified I've never said one is worse than the

TTS Donation Readerother they are it it it just people who die $200 female privilege is real if women do not want someone in in their life they can abort them or ignore them and

Brian Atlasact if they don't exist and no one bats an eye women can be late or not show up at all it's true bro it's true dude thank you for the big 200 uh TTS man thank you

Brian Atlasso much for your patronage female privilege is real um oh wow okay he's getting into uh the uh Pro lifee versus Pro Choice uh

Brian Atlaswell you're quite opinionated on that we'll get it here I'll I'll write that down we'll get into that we'll get to that later on um all right um thank you man really appreciate your patronage okay so going around the table like I've

Unknownsaid everyone's a victim of War everyone is so like wait hold on let me restate the question always my position let me just let me just restate the question question who is the primary victim of

JoJowar men or women yeah you love restating that question yeah women I'll still stand by you are not saying that I'm still standing by it and I'm not changing let's let's go around the table we'll get everybody's answers

Brian Atlasbut I mean yeah I would say I would say men cuz they're in the front lines they fight what do you mean by War stop stop stop that's not to say that women don't yourself please women suffer let her answer the question go ahead women

Maliasuffer from Wars well but Wars well but obviously who but the question but men men they're in the front lines of course I'm so sorry to my Queen JoJo You're such my woke Queen but I think men are

Nalathe primary victims of war okay so by war do you mean like like going to battle or like war in likees relationship World War I World War II

Brian AtlasVietnam War Ukraine war the current Israel Palestine conflict War I would say men okay so primary first men okay men obviously

Unknownmen men JoJo what are you doing we already went over this I actually did a lot of research after the fact she didn't watch your movies she didn't watch the movies

Brian AtlasI started the movies but they were hours I told you I told you you have to watch All Quiet on the Western Front Saving Private R and Saving Private R I started Saving Private Ryan good it's was 3 hours and I started at 11:00 p.m. so I was like you know this ain't the

Brian Atlasjourney for me okay but how much of it cuz that first scene Journey for me that first scene is brutal yeah it was yeah I it was brutal Nick can you pull up hold

Brian Atlason yeah woman but um it's in the Dropbox podcast hold

Brian AtlasI'm trying to find it oh no oh no no no oh okay here it is uh Dropbox podcast

UnknownWar into the jaws of death picture can you find that one yeah but I don't think men aren't the victims either that was my whole primary primary you know what

Brian Atlasthat word means so who's yeah you you can pull it up so this is um you know this isn't from the film Saving Private Ryan but it it reenacted the D Landing

Brian Atlasso um do you see any women in this picture any women I don't want to assume they're gender I don't want toe do you think there's any women in this in this

Maliahistorical photograph tell can you zoom in I'm just kidding um no I don't think there's any

Brian Atlaswomen oh oh yeah okay so uh the first scene of saving priv and Ryan nothing wa

Brian Atlasis it because women are just back home you know Rosie the rieter just like making shells and like doing

Brian Atlasconstruction and the men are you know getting mowed down okay D-Day Landing okay women still the primary

JoJovictims of war it wasn't about the women what do I have on my hands with this panel okay sorry go ahead go ahead go ahead goad uh it wasn't about the women who like I I was talking about the women who are also suffering the ones that are

Matthew Gallaghergetting like the countries that are getting invaded let's be careful on that topic so what's your point that yeah that's still though like

Kylieas far as the numbers go it's such a small percentage of the actual victims yeah but men die and then women have to live with the suffering victim the person who died or the Widow

JoJoI I want to ask you on that so what's worse what's worse death obviously right so that would be the primary victim so but there there that is more of like a a interesting argument more about like who's the victim is it the people who

JoJohave to live with the pain and have to live on even with the pain or is it the people who died cuz you don't have the pain anymore in your once you're gone obviously but again I'm that's a different kind of debate and I'm not

JoJolike trying to justify either side of that but that's just I've got i' got DMS about it too where that I'm sure you did I mean what is the

Matthew Gallagherwhat is the worst thing that can happen to a like a victim they're killed right that's the worst thing there are lots of ways to victimize somebody but like ultimately that's what gets somebody in

Matthew Gallaghertrouble a parent seeing your kids die I think is a but but for the kid itself like the kid was the like primary victim there right obviously like if you know if your kid passes like that sucks and

Matthew Gallagheryou're going to suffer from that but who was the primary victim the passing child or like the you know yeah so in war like when the majority of the casualties and the

TTS Donation Readerinjuries are men beaten cheeks donated $100 when the next War happens and it will you feminists will have your

TTS Donation Readerideology completely destroyed get back in the kitchen finally be feminine and the patriarchy will Thrive once again entitled

Lydia304s you do not want me in the kitchen I cannot cook that's a red flag that's just what it is I'm terrible cook I think the the amount of harm that we can measure is all based on like what you're

Lydiasaying is the most harmful thing someone can go through and do you agree that being killed is the worst thing a person can go through yes or no I I mean it's a controversial opinion but no I I don't think you don't think being killed is

Matthew Gallagherthe worst thing that can happen to you so if he had asked the question who's the primary casualty of War would you say men yeah okay so you it's just the way you're defining what a victim is

Matthew Gallagheryeah so do you think that it's harder for let's say that you're not even killed in war but like do you think it's harder for if I'm married my wife to be like lonely without me versus me like in trenches what about your opinion on

Matthew Gallagherwhat's happening with your wife let's say the country was invaded and thing a lot of terrible terrible things are happening I I'm not disagreeing with you I think that like that obviously happens and it's uh it's part of the statistics

JoJobut it's a very huge min of the total well cuz again this is like the East Asian Focus was like it did it happened in tons of those countries it happened in the Philippines it happened

Matthew Gallagherin Korea it happened in China it happened in like but in the majority in the majority of Wars what in the majority of Wars yeah it happens in the majority of Wars uh not at the rate though at

Matthew Gallagherthe at the as the casualties happen you know yeah of course yeah okay I thought you were just insane when you said that I didn't understand I was like blown away that you could say that but I mean

Matthew GallagherI I get what you're trying I I get what you're saying but uh I mean I think that the defa she's saying that if you had asked her who's the primary casualty of War she would say it's clearly men but

Matthew Gallaghershe defines victim as something different like death is not the worst thing that can happen to a victim yeah it is I agree I think that's the worst that's why it's punished the worst uh

TTS Donation Readerbut if I had to choose between I'm don't want to get into it cuz I think it is yeah hold on beaten cheeks donated $100 as someone who has been in real war

TTS Donation Readerreal Combat you feminists are in no position to speak about any type of wars or any International conflicts just learn to cook serve your man and stop

Brian Atlasfeminism sorry I'm not I know how to cook not I really okay so okay your position is basically sa is worse than being killed

Matthew Gallagheris that your position depends on the extent but yeah depends on the extent I that's why I don't want to get into it right but you're saying the women that are left

Matthew Gallagheralone that are widowed like the other like all of that that leaves victims behind what do you mean like the women whose husbands go off to war and die she becomes a victim of that war that's what you're saying I mean yeah I think I I

JoJodon't disagree with you I just think that the severity of the victimhood would lie with the you know the the soldier who died well I'm saying everyone's a victim that was always my my stance always my point everyone's a

JoJovictim that's not the question right yeah exactly it's not the question that's fine like okay for example I want to try to frame this in

Brian Atlasas delicate a manner as possible so let's say there's a a tragedy a major tragedy and I saw it on the news and that that was really

Brian Atlasupsetting to me to see that on the news but it was geographically I was very far removed from it I didn't know anybody involved in the tragedy now it was upsetting to me to see

Brian Atlasthat compared to the person let's say people died in this tragedy right who's the bigger victim yeah of course the people who

Brian Atlasdied yeah okay so by that same logic wouldn't the person who

JoJodies be the bigger victim than the family member or you gave an example where they were removed they didn't even weren't even involved in the situation

JoJothey didn't have family in the situation that was your example that these they just witnessed that this happened right yeah but then now you're you're taking it back to the family and being like Oh isn't it worse for like the vict or the people who died rather than the family I

JoJohave a question for you let's say that all soldiers were women okay would that change your answer if it was women who were getting killed the same things that that I went through were happening to

Brian Atlasthe men and then like if it was completely rule swapped with every single aspect I would probably still say the same answer does it change it at all like if it was if women were soldiers

Brian Atlasand they were the ones getting killed on mass and the men were just kicking it just chilling wasn't kicking like they were just like they're just chilling at home yo Nick pull up pull up it's in the

TTS Donation Readerwar colder uh Ukraine men vers $0000 I don't want to live on this planet anymore give me the asteroid daddy Brian I wonder if there is a

TTS Donation Readerprofessional victim course in college also what's up with the chair asking for a friend the chair the auction they want to buy her seat oh right right

Brian Atlasright I'll I think we need some crypto up in here I think we what one Bitcoin oh wa valuable chair it's one Bitcoin it's the the chair is up to one Bitcoin

Brian AtlasI've been getting bids on it in my Instagram DMS I'll cut you in for one ethereum I get one Bitcoin you get one ethereum that's fair what's the value of don't worry don't worry about it just

JoJotake my word for it um so does it change anything if it's all women does that change anything at all no like I like I said before it doesn't change what so let me ask you

Brian Atlasthe question one more time who are the primary victims of war men or women women no I was really rooting for you oh yeah wait so you were making

Brian Atlaslet's talk what about the Ukraine war okay who who are the primary victims of the Ukraine war men or women I I don't know anything about the Ukraine war I don't really the most recent War like I don't yeah I don't you don't know

Brian Atlasanything about it you remember all the flags the flag for surface level stuff I don't the blue and yellow flag you don't I haven't extensively researched it and I'm not embarrassed to say that you know but you you're familiar with that there

Brian Atlasis a war going on in Ukraine said surface level Russia yep okay I know the president's strange as well I know okay so you but you can't make a

TTS Donation Readerdetermination based off of the things that you do know so in the Ukraine war currently right current conflict hold on I'm so glad I'm not dating donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 there's a bump in the night you are with your man there's an AR15 equal distance from both of you there's four armed Intruders acting L breaking in who

TTS Donation Readerdo you prefer goes on the defensive why does it matter with the gun right just we can

Brian Atlascont it's kind of an I don't know if it's the best framing of this question but uh who' you prefer goes on the defensive um whoever's better with the

Juliegun I guess right okay I I'm from Canada we don't have guns so I mean whoever is better I'd prefer my husband husband does it sorry I was fing out a little

Unknownbit yep a strong man with a strong man with a weapon my mans whichever one's better with the gun Matthew anything on this my husband

Brian Atlasfor sure your husband okay there you go there you go okay so hide that um okay so JoJo yes in this current conflict in the Ukraine war who is the prim hold on

Brian Atlaslet me reframe it who is the primary victim of the Ukraine war men or women again I don't know the context but uh I guess I'm I if I'm standing on the

Lydiasame point I've been saying I guess women well don't be stubborn like actually like rethink like it's okay to change your mind no she doesn't want to though but are you just like she's Stu

Brian Atlasjust for funsies not changing your mind like is this hold on I so here there's two things I want to show you I referenced this in a previous episode I don't think the one you were on Nick I

Brian Atlasactually think there's um I pretty sure I there's a tab there with a Reddit that has a

Brian Atlasvideo wait busload of Ukrainian men trying to evade I think it's safe to play you did you did tell me last time Fu we'll play it [ __ ] it we do you did

JoJogive me context last time saying about the women they tried to encourage actually also Google before you show that one I'm going to give you three pieces of three three pieces of evidence for my

Brian Atlasposition and you can see if it sways you at all Nick the first thing can you actually pull up search I think it's a BBC article well it's probably any news

Brian Atlaswebsite Ukrainian men 18 to 60 cannot leave the country and this will give context for the video that I'm about to

TTS Donation Readerpull up just find an article Ukrainian men are unable to leave the country yo Carl thank car Bennington donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 lyia I'm breaking up with you I want you to know it's not you who's ldia it's me I think you're a wonderful person I'm sure one day you'll find a great guy you're young there's still

Unknownhope for you um well you're not my fiance so I don't really care that was really random sorry that you were dating me in your imagination I know everyone is that

Unknownyour fiance's name no my's name is that would be a crazy way to break up that would be wild that would be pretty sad but also kind of dope content for the

Brian Atlascontent uh Nick are you able to you got it one more second I'll pull up a chat while you're doing that um did we read this one

Madisonstabby mix did yeah we read that okay that's how it started Madison can you read this one the girl who went to prison trying to teach Brian how to do business better I think it's better to stay at the stage of how to prepare a

Brian Atlascrack pipe or how to buy cigarettes from a neighboring so okay thank you rapael oh you wanted to respond holy oh my God the chat's on

TTS Donation Readerfire $100 to you entitled feminists let me bring it back to kindergarten to these girls who don't know any facts or knowledge who are currently more

Brian Atlasoppressed white people in America or women oh let's go wait white wa who is don't know any who are currently more oppressed why people

Brian AtlasAmerica people or women okay that's an interesting one I'll I'll have to we've we're got a backlog beating cheeks so I'll have to get to it Maddie can you read this one for the bur I want chair anymore she's dead to me I have been

Madisonserving for almost 20 years on active duty and I can tell you men are the primary victim of War Gustavo head to the trenches

JoJonow you can't sell the chair rip rip the value take it back now it's like worth one coin my my dad's also 20 years

JoJomilitary as well and does he know you've said this I told my mom and she actually went crazy on my point to higher extent than me I was like whoa wait yo we got

Brian Atlasto get your mom on the show's totally she is where's she at so liberal and so feminist that like let's get dude mother daughter episode let's go and your father wait where did your father land

Brian Atlason this point um I didn't ask my father on it but um why what let's give him a call I just talk to my mom more than my dad you wanted to respond to the chat the previous chat I can't pull it back

Nalaup it's gone um but yeah I just wanted to acknowledge that the fact that some people might have been to jail or prison or have made like bad experience like had made mistakes in our life doesn't

TTS Donation Readermean that they can't give out business advice just what donated $200 there are things worse than death for a man being stripped of his dignity

TTS Donation Readerand destroyed by a woman can be far worse than death women should be careful not to destroy men

Naladisagree why I mean what what is that I mean a woman leaving me and hurting me is worse than death no he just got his heartbroken the only example I can think of is like somebody's like so like in a bad mental state that you know like

Brian Atlasbeing Al alive is kind of but I'm not going to get into that but I feel like I mean there there's like ongoing life circumstances that can be

Brian Atlasso burdensome or difficult or it could be physical pain it could be mental pain but like for example if you were I don't know I'm trying to think of a scenario

Brian Atlaslet's say you were like being tortured with like medieval torture devices for like a 10-year period could you make the argument that it' be better to just like you know yeah yeah you know the Greek

Brian Atlasstory with the uh the guy who's strapped to a tree and an eagle yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah oh Li every day generates and then yeah that'd be pretty bad that'd be pretty bad is it Prometheus is it Prometheus um by the

Brian Atlasway guys I am writing down all these things so we we are gonna Oh Katie Marie that's Gustavo simp here um hold on um I'm just a guy what do I know I really appreciate your uh TTS man thank you for

Brian Atlasyour patronage and uh yeah um let me get through these wait uh sorry there's so many chats did you pull up all the yellow ones Nick if you did just clear

Brian Atlasokay um let's start with the BBC One if it's BBC or whatever maybe there's a different a different it's

Brian Atlasfine okay reports Ukraine bans all males all male citizens ages 18 to 60 from leaving the country that's back in

Brian AtlasFebruary of 2022 okay so that's one okay and then I want you do you have any thoughts on that seems a little unfair don't you think yeah that's terrible

Brian Atlasyeah I never said it wasn't so would that just just that alone would that kind of make you lean towards men are being victimized a little bit more in

JoJothe Ukraine conflict than women are um well if they're giving like yeah women are allowed to leave yeah it sways me more it sways you more but is it convincing enough to for you to switch

JoJoyour position um I guess I would like to know the vice versa of like what's happening with the women as well on dating donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 Ukrainian women are living it up in other countries the men are conscripted and go to war they cannot leave America has legal draft for men women don't have

Matthew Gallagherthis imagine if War come to our Shores yo naves hey thank you man uh Matthew actually if you want to yeah I was literally going to say that I mean the the the women in Ukraine uh they leave

Matthew Gallagherand they go find new lives and uh they are mostly safe I mean there are yeah in that context then yeah and they're in the Club yeah they're in it's true it's

Matthew Gallaghertrue the the number of Ukrainian girls on dating apps in La has uh gone up tenfold cont they're in Norway they're

Brian Atlasin they're in the UK they're in Portugal they're in Spain they're in Fr in Canada as well yeah yeah and the men are AG on dating apps getting their BL I've turned

Matthew Gallagherright there in this context of this situation yes oh oh interesting that's sort of the status quo though I mean that's an extreme example where quo in Wars that's I mean there's no draft for

JoJowomen right there's a reason for that so the argument online about this is that it's also saying men are also passing these rules protecting you that're

JoJoexactly so it's like they this is being passed by men that women can't join can't serve and can't uh assist not that they can't that they don't they're not forced to or that they're not to yeah and where do they go

Matthew Gallagherwhen they're not forced to like they're going to leave who would who would stay who would want to do that you know like if you're a woman and you have the option to go to a safe country or go and guarantee you're going to die there's I'm sure there's tons of women who would

Matthew Gallagherwant to serve their country they don't you can serve other ways right yeah yeah there are other ways but I mean in the actual on the field like fighting men are required to go do that and then like

JoJopercentage wise men are more likely to go to war there was like a a lot of the like the the arguments online about this was that like that men are the ones who are making the rules that only men get

Matthew Gallagherdrafted does that make you a bit more like sympathetic to the plight of men in general like the fact that we have the ability to pass a law to require you to go and we're not doing it and we're

JoJoactually keeping you safe I mean it's just it's it's just interesting cuz it's more

Brian Atlaslike we do this and then you have to feel like certain way about men like it it's a weird just systematic like hold

Brian Atlason let me I I I always hear this this sort of nonsecretor argument to like anytime you point out a way with in which men are

Brian Atlasdisadvantaged or victims or anything it almost always goes to well who's victimizing them who's to blame that's the argument online yes it's a terrible argument it's a terrible argument

Brian Atlasbecause you're you're not even addressing the Central Point you're you're just saying well like who's at fault it's kind of irrelevant right so for example do you are you familiar with uh

JoJoFGM no female genital mutilation no is that the your be your your big lebia matters stuff no okay then no I don't know what that is you

Brian Atlasknow like there's certain countries where women have their lady Parts mutilated have you heard of this no you've never you're a feminist and you've never heard of this well that's the thing I you claim I'm a huge

Brian Atlasfeminist I don't know anything about feminism like other than the general like oh my you're oh my God but you've never even heard about this that this is

Brian Atlasa thing um no I don't think so okay so FGM it's almost entirely practiced on young women by older

Brian Atlaswomen okay okay despite men in the countries it's practiced in being overwhelmingly against it so as it's done by women on women

JoJoshould we just not care about it but what is it like what what can you explain it like it's you said mutilation but like I they have their clits chopped off

JoJooh okay that's terrible right okay um yeah I'm sorry it's it's just such a

Brian Atlaspoor argument because it's also an apex fallacy so you're saying well yeah men do get drafted Ed but who's passing those laws it's men who are passing those

Brian Atlaslaws it's just it's not it's irrelevant because what percentage of men are passing those laws it's a very small percentage so let's say if a large swath

Brian Atlasof the population ends up getting drafted it's kind of irrelevant that a very small proportion of men and it's not clear to me if it's because they're men like would your argument change like let's say you're you're pretty much

Brian Atlassaying like don't blame the victim let's just say there was let's say there was a a democracy a government that was elected and it was like 60% women okay so your argument just goes out the window right and so like would you still

Brian Atlasmake the same argument that well it was men who passed that law this is the the most common argument online okay let me ask you a different question on the whole well but it's men's fault but

Brian Atlasother men so let's say there's a monarchy so let's look back in time to Queens if a queen started Waring with another country let's say the England

JoJostarted Waring with another country uh would you hold that position that it was men who passed the laws in that situation um well yeah I guess no I I can't argue that if it was the queen who

Brian Atlaspassed the laws right okay I can't argue that it's just so this whole like it's just it's such a weird argument it's sometimes difficult to because it just sort of like derails the conversation but uh what if I told you for example

Brian Atlasthat when comparing Queens to Kings they actually found that Queen queens were much more likely to wage war than women were Queens are more likely than women queen queen sorry did I did you said wom

JoJoyou sorry sorry I misspoke queens were much more likely to wage war than kings were mhm I the statistics online just said that wasn't true that it was men

JoJowho were waging Wars over women that's again these are the articles I was reading based off of art talk if you compare monarchs did you looked at the study when it came to monarchs kings and

Brian Atlasqueens no yeah that's what but that's that's what I'm referencing right now oh so you're saying real thing queens were just as or more likely to wage war than Kings were okay is not hypothetical this

Brian Atlasis real yes okay it's it's studied yeah okay I okay sure I'll buten what but women oh my God can I add something okay

Nalajust for like context like I think that's a very specific example and I 100% agree that men in that context are the ones um with more suffering and death in those scenarios but if you look

Nalaat a country like Iran you actually see like the government is very uptight about their policies and when it comes to women's Freedom if we were to like just walk down the street the way I look or any of us look we would go St that's

Matthew Gallagherjust an oppressive government that's not a war happening you know that's I mean I agree that that's not like appropriate but I mean they're not at War should we also talk about Ethiopia while we're at

Nalait any other just like like countries that are not at all related I mean you brought up like Russia and Ukraine so I thought I'll bring up another country just to put in some context but you're

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