Charlie Kirk DESTROYS Whatever Podcast?! HEATED DEBATE With Feminists! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk #172

Date: 2024-06-24

Duration: 8h 37m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCharlie Kirk >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_03Shai / Imogen (mixed)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_06Serena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Charlie Kirk(guest)

SPEAKER_11TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_14Multiple Guests (mixed)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroCharlie Kirk introduction — announces himself as Erica's husband, founder of Turning Point USA, 30yo, 2 kids under 2, book promo week.

“I am Charlie I'm Erica's husband and uh father of two we just had a new baby uh so we have two under two”

Key MomentCharlie Kirk explains three waves of feminism to panel (suffrage, Gloria Steinem/workforce, third wave = any inequity is wrong).

“first wave feminism would be like the Equal Rights Amendment...second wave feminism was like Gloria Steinem...third wave feminism is that any inequity that we see between men or women is inherently wrong”

ControversyHeated debate: should women be drafted into military? Charlie argues men should protect women; panel debates equality vs. protection.

“I would say to reach optimal results if we're speaking on war then yes we should Shield women from the draft”

Key MomentCharlie Kirk describes encountering a Grizzly bear in the wild during Man vs. Bear debate segment.

“I've seen a grizzly bear up close and personal and I've lived right only them that is not fun you don't want to see a grizzly bear”

OtherCharlie Kirk departs the show at ~222 minutes after book promo and panel debate.

“He's a brave and decent man he's a pioneer he's a Pioneer thank you for coming Charlie”

IntroAndrew Wilson joins the show mid-episode, introduces himself as host of The Crucible and political analyst.

“my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible I'm a political analyst”

Key MomentAndrew Wilson interrogates Amy about her 18-year polyamorous dating arrangement, challenging the timeline math and motivations.

“I'm just trying to figure out why how long you were actually with these two guys”

QuoteLeah reveals ex-boyfriend prostituted himself for meth — Brian calls it 'winning the Whatever podcast'.

“he would prostitute himself for math oh that's horrible...he would to men to men”

ControversyAndrew Wilson confronts Imogen about choosing OnlyFans over her Catholic mother's wishes; extended exchange about trusting parental guidance.

“your mom says don't do this...why don't you trust her wisdom”

QuoteAndrew Wilson to Imogen: 'You are one of the most dishonest trolls, you're even bad at trolling.'

“you are one dishonest trolls you're even bad at trolling you're even bad at that”

OtherBody count round: Shai claims 'off the scales, lost count at like 80, past 80'. Imogen claims 0 (disputed by Andrew and audience).

“my body count is off the scales I don't even know I lost count at like 80”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions

All 9 female guests and Charlie Kirk introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Followed by relationship status round.

Feminist clip reaction — liberal women wanting traditional men

Brian plays viral clip of liberal woman lamenting that masculine men who provide tend to be conservative. Panel reacts.

Who pays on first date; feminism definitions

Discussion of first date payment norms. Charlie Kirk explains three waves of feminism. Panel debates whether they identify as feminists.

Women in military draft debate

Debate whether women should be subject to military conscription (Selective Service). Charlie Kirk argues men should always pay and shields women from war. Panel offers varied views. Heather makes uterus/repopulation argument.

Birth control, capitalism, wage gap

Brian's previous comments about hormonal birth control affecting women's brains discussed. Charlie expands on it. Discussion of gender wage gap, capitalist systems, and equal pay for equal work.

Man vs. Bear debate

Classic viral debate: would you rather be stuck in the woods with a random man or a random bear? Shai chooses bear; most others choose man. Charlie Kirk's perspective on bear vs. man.

Would you date a conservative; religious men

Panel discusses whether they would date a conservative or Trumpy man. Charlie recommends religious men. Discussion of finding good men and Catholic faith.

Charlie Kirk departs; Andrew Wilson joins; ratings round

Charlie Kirk leaves at ~222 min. Brief transition, ratings round conducted, Andrew Wilson (The Crucible) joins the panel.

Andrew Wilson debates Amy about polyamorous arrangement

Andrew Wilson interrogates Amy about her 18-year concurrent relationship arrangement with two men, questioning the timeline and motivations.

Extended panel discussions — dating, relationships, social topics

Various topics including dating apps, body counts, OnlyFans, feminism continued. Multiple TTS rating rounds throughout.

Andrew Wilson vs. Australian OnlyFans guests; body counts

Andrew Wilson confronts Imogen about Catholic upbringing vs. OnlyFans career. Questions why she won't trust her mother's advice. Heated back-and-forth. Body count round: Shai claims 80+, Imogen claims 0 (disputed).

End of show roast, wrap-up

Roast section. Andrew Wilson and Shai/Imogen trade insults. Show wraps. Announcement of next stream.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasfem because they get drafted right we draft only women and then they're going to get so they can Avid uh you know uh being deployed a a lot of if if there is a pregnancy exemption they they still

Multiple Guests (mixed)allow certain pregnant women to no if you're pregnant you can't be deployed how about like only third trimester can't get deployed but first and second they have pregnancy jumpsuits but they're not in the Air Force which is I think this could be a great talking

Brian Atlaspoint for the conservative party let's draft the women and then we'll fix the population of women get pregnant we will have to

Multiple Guests (mixed)B and you know just and then everyone's going to be raised in a single parent household that's horrible no of they get married or they get married they get

Brian Atlasmarried to their husband who's deployed also everything sucks we'll figure we'll figure it out anyways war is bad across the board yeah but wait so okay don't draft women because then we can't repopulate is that kind of the

Multiple Guests (mixed)argument yeah that was one of them yeah okay what if you only draft like a 100 or excuse me not 1 million women okay so you want to put a marker on we can draft 1 million women and unlimited men wouldn't that also not be equal under

Multiple Guests (mixed)your just like say 1 million women 1 million men or 10 million women 10 million men that would be equal and if they can prove that one those 1 million women are competent and would Advance the war just as much as those 1 million men probably not but exactly that's no

Multiple Guests (mixed)but that's point no but equality we still draft them but wouldn't you want in a war you're the people going we have women for the volunteer Force which you're in favor of because because I do believe that the women who are volunteering know that they can provide

Multiple Guests (mixed)quite a bit to the war they're not just like you know really well I would assume so why would a woman volunteer if she doesn't if she's not certain that she can provide some type of you know well I mean people uh abut volunteer for all

Brian Atlaskinds of reasons some people do for financial reasons there's perhaps they're coming from a you know very low uh socioeconomic position getting into the military can be helpful in that way perhaps people want uh an experience

Multiple Guests (mixed)discipline they want to serve their country that's true but I don't think most women would put their lives on the line and have that be their number one option just volunteering just because like shits and gigs like I want to volunteer you know okay right so I

Multiple Guests (mixed)haven't really heard a compelling reason at least from the feminist Viewpoint standpoint as to why women shouldn't be drafted but why would you want woman to be drafted is my question as a man for

Multiple Guests (mixed)the sake of equality yeah you want country to like do good in war not just for the sake of equality so if I make that same argument about like the workforce would you call that a sexist

Brian Atlasstatement with what exactly would it be a sexist statement I'm not I'm not arguing this but the same argument you're making about well wouldn't you want the best for the war effort couldn't you just make that argument

Brian Atlasabout the volunteer Force so women can't join the military you could say about policemen fire police officers excuse me firefighters Etc I'm not really catching your drift you

Multiple Guests (mixed)said you don't want women so you're trying to exclude women from other workforces is what you're asking me well you said wouldn't you want the best people yes for the war yeah because the war cuz like if we lose the war you is

Multiple Guests (mixed)that not a big deal that'd be a big deal yeah it's kind of like you know put equality to the side in terms of the war because the war is really going to affect all of society not just man or

Brian Atlaswoman but you could even draft women into positions of for example not Frontline soldiers cyber SEC and if you can prove that those women are competent and they can do that then yeah go ahead that still wouldn't really be

Brian Atlasequality but it would closer that would be good it would be closer to equality actually most uh positions in the military are not Frontline combat positions so I wouldn't you know so I'm

Multiple Guests (mixed)just a little confused here what are you confused about if we just agreed on the same point just because I label myself as a feminist and I have the same opinion within this as someone who not like want equality only because I've

Multiple Guests (mixed)made clear I've made that clear that I don't want it when it just suits women I want it when it benefits Society well so then you acknowledge really hard to understand a little bit so so then you acknowledge that there's

Brian Atlasan inequality that's currently impacting men because men are only are the only uh sex that are required to register for the Selective Service yeah that's an inequality in terms of you one sex has

Multiple Guests (mixed)to go to so your solution then is to get rid of the draft um my solution to that would just be let's not go to war that would make equal yeah War bad but obviously that's exactly but since

Brian Atlasthat's not a realistic thing that the US will do and that's why we're just what if it has nothing to do with the US what if there's a belligerent Force like China or Russia or something okay well

TTS Readereither way be cheeks donated $300 here is a point feminism should have never being brought upon Society by evil men pushing women to become baby as

Brian Atlascareer boss be words in the west now what are women currently oppressed on I'll

Brian Atlaswait uh be I I'll ask that later are you

Brian Atlasokay so assuming we can't get get rid of War assuming there had to be a draft exactly do you acknowledge the current

Brian Atlasinequality that exists and shouldn't you asked me that question shouldn't you shouldn't you as a feminist be desirous of moving towards egalitarianism and

Charlie Kirkequality I've made that clear no can single I ask a different way what what would um a victory for the feminist movement look like or your view of

Charlie Kirkfeminism like what what's my view of feminism or like what what is an injustice or something wrong in America that you would like to see remedied or cured with your view of feminism okay I

Multiple Guests (mixed)can get real spe specific with it I work in the healthcare field and I see a lot of inequality within that so that's one way where I'm a feminist where I can see okay women aren't being treated the best way within the healthcare field

Brian Atlasspecifically they don't have the same rights as a man does can you elaborate on that do you mean patience or uh the Pati wait can you elaborate what you mean like what is the inequality patient

Multiple Guests (mixed)care uh a man as a patient versus a woman as a patient very different can you articulate a little further um women don't have the same care as a man isn't

Multiple Guests (mixed)it the case that women uh use like see doctors more frequently they get more they're more likely to go visit a doctor yeah that's 100% the case that's because they're not getting adequate care that's why they have to keep seeing new

Multiple Guests (mixed)Specialists new people wait wait I don't think that's the reason I think women just tend to care about our bodies and men only care when they're on their deathbed that's like the typical reasoning women women uh like for uh

Multiple Guests (mixed)like medical or whatever I don't know what it's called in the reimbursables for women are like 7 to one they're more likely to use yeah especially under 50 women taken me like 6 months just to get a checkup like just I don't think that's

Multiple Guests (mixed)cuz you're a woman though you don't think so okay I think that why would it be because you're a woman I don't know maybe because Women's Healthcare is harder to get I'm not sure that's so you're talking like yourg um no just primary care physician

Charlie Kirkwhy would that why would that be because you're a woman though it actually might be because I have shitty Healthcare that it also could be because we're just brought a couple million people from the third world into this country yeah that kind of creates long creates long lines but that's a separate issue well could

Brian Atlasyou you elaborate a little further on the healthcare thing though do you want me to just keep going listing examples you said women have I don't know if you said rights like women have ex that men don't yeah women are behind in the

Multiple Guests (mixed)healthcare field so that's something I would want to see women progress in like in nursing no as a patient I've made that clear oh as patients yes how are they behind a woman doesn't get the same

Multiple Guests (mixed)adequate care from her primary doctor from her specialist from whatever person here field to be able to say you need to do this this and that but I just believe that there is something that could be do you think that that women sometimes might be

Multiple Guests (mixed)overemphasizing a condition that might not be a big deal um no I don't think so I mean yeah possibly um person to person there's many women who could do that there's many men who would do

Charlie Kirkthat how is that relevant no if because the survey you're citing is that women think they're not getting the care that they deserve when I think they actually are and then then some but you're right

Charlie Kirkmen will not go to the doctor unless there's they're missing a limb where a woman will call their doctor as soon as they have a sniffle or a sneeze or a cough and so they're they engage in the healthare system more often so when you

Brian Atlashave more interactions and more touch points you'll have more people who think that there's an injustice when there really isn't I see your point and you also you you well actually here we'll come back to that a little bit I did also want to get an answer

Brian Atlasfrom you really quick on the draf thing then we'll move it along to a different topic uh you said you're a feminist but not in favor of women being uh drafted how do you reconcile

Multiple Guests (mixed)that I mean I think that there should definitely I think there should be definitely things that are more or I

Multiple Guests (mixed)guess not more important but like I'm more for like if um me if I'm working a job in a lab and a man is working a job in same lab we're doing the same things then we should be getting equal pay but

Serenawhat if you work harder than him should you get more money well what do you mean like work harder put in more hours show up earlier I mean wouldn't I what if you're better than

Multiple Guests (mixed)him then they would probably recognize the hard work that I thought you said equal pay I mean I think it would depend on like your lab position and like how high but you have the same title do you want

Charlie Kirkdo you want it to be based on Merit or just equality no matter

Charlie Kirkwhat I mean I guess like if you are working harder then I feel like you should get paid more regardless if you're a man or a woman so men are more likely to show up early at work they're more likely to not take seven to 10

Charlie Kirkyears off for having a child whether you like that or not more likely to ask for a promotion more more likely to ask for a raise they're also more likely to get their boss to notice their hard work they're better at that than women so maybe it's not that women are getting

Brian Atlaspaid less than men maybe just men are better at working the corporate system than women well then if that's the case then I guess that's something we need to work on wait I have a question well you didn't really answer the question but

Brian Atlasyou did bring up the wage Gap there a little bit so the question was about the draft though cuz you said you're were a feminist but you're not in favor of women being uh conscripted into military force military conscription so like just how do you

Multiple Guests (mixed)reconcile that well I think they brought up a good point about how like biologically women are not as physically strong as like men

Multiple Guests (mixed)and I don't understand like or I guess like they do bring up a point like how would it benefit like the United States if we're putting more women

Serenaonto like the military if we're not putting like the strongest like people out well if if they're not benefiting then why would we allow women to

Multiple Guests (mixed)volunteer I mean but that's like what I mean that's what they want to do with their time it's better than not having any volunteers

Charlie Kirkdo you guys think the military would be better if women weren't in it if it was just men hardcore men that want to win for the country you know women better than I do no women do you think the American

Multiple Guests (mixed)Military was a better fighting force when women were not in it I think they're a lot more aggressive a lot more assertive I mean there's I don't want to sound like I'm

Multiple Guests (mixed)hating on women but I I just think guys when they're especially in a war I mean they're out there they're wanting to be out there fighting for

Charlie Kirktheir country women that's not our what was your original qu so um would the US military be better if it was just men is that kind of question yes and I say this for a group of women who know female nature very well you know your friends

Charlie Kirkfemale nature if you're trying to create a fighting force to defeat the Russians defeat the Chinese and all these stupid Wars I agree with you but if you want a good military should women be in the military at all let's get everybody's

Multiple Guests (mixed)answer on this go ahead um if you want the best military not an equal one just men just men I mean but women are such good FBI agents like we're just naturally good at not private

Charlie Kirkinvestigators CU women are the best at finding out that your boyfriend's cheating on you but that's we're not talking about that we're talking about so how do we decode like just answer question we're talking about storming

Charlie KirkNormandy defeating the Nazis winning a war I mean the Kaz the Kazakhstan oh gosh the kazaks the the kazaks they actually had women in the military the Soviet Union but that's a separate issue but yeah go ahead

Multiple Guests (mixed)uh for the sake of argument no no women um Al maybe no but also make sure that every single man that is in there

Multiple Guests (mixed)also is up to par exactly yeah I think if the men are really passionate about it then no

Brian Atlaswomen okay I I don't want a world where people are barred from much okay um um no no no I don't know if you guys even

Brian Atlasremember the question I trying my best here to kind of like it should be all men um you think it should be all men yes okay I want to come back to what you said really quick here you did kind of

Brian Atlaswhen I asked you the question uh you brought up the wage Gap like equal pay for equal work or whatever do you think that that should also apply to like police

Brian Atlasofficers like they're doing the same job right like between and like firefighters so like should men and women be paid equally like between police and firefighters yeah yeah like with police and

Charlie Kirkfirefighters yeah okay but can I ask a question real quick for our two Australian friends can I ask a question for you do you think men only fans models should make the same as female

Charlie Kirkonly fans models great question um um yeah like so so You' be willing to take a pay cut what what do you mean by that like they take it out of your pocket well because men when it comes to online

Charlie Kirkum a tragedy what's the word I'm looking for online uh presenting yourself earn fractional what women earn like on10th nobody wants to see

Shai / Imogen (mixed)balls I mean I've always been told like the gay people actually get a lot of subscribers like more than women we're going to run this experiment me and Charlie are going to open up an O

Charlie Kirkaccount and we're going to see and we're going to not together not together our own separate for for example the the best paid male model in the world makes about 3 million bucks a year the best paid female model is like $35 to $40

Charlie Kirkmillion a year wow yeah it's not even close it's like it's like a 10x and it's almost across all disciplines I didn't even know that myself and so in only fans I imagine it to be the case I mean for example I'm not a fan of pornography

Charlie Kirkat all I read about in the book how I'm not a fan of it however in online pornography female actresses earn way more than male actresses not even close well isn't that because of the subscribers they're more male-based

Charlie Kirkthere's like is it or something like that for sure men consume pornography more than women women increasingly so so I guess for my two Australian friends if you do you think that there

TTS Readershould be a law that says that you should earn the same as your male CS um jsr 2019 donated $300 show the panel the opening scene of

TTS ReaderSaving Private Ryan and see who would still believe the battlefield is a place for women private communism is the devil and destroys the human which breaks

Shai / Imogen (mixed)Society pull that link up uh DJs thank you man this thank you I don't think that at all um I think it's just up to how much you post like it's up to you

Shai / Imogen (mixed)how much money you earn by how much you are posting on your so it's about Merit creativity Ingenuity it's about like consistency kind of thing like and trying to find the right Niche and everything for yourself you want to pull

Charlie Kirkso so therefore if there was a law generally in America where it says that women should be paid the same same as men you wouldd be against that um well because it would apply to only fans

Charlie Kirkbecause it could harm you see you're both in an industry where women earn way more than men yeah so you'd be because progress is easy to support until it

Brian Atlashits your bank account there I there many men and only managers of course this is this is actually I I went to a protest this is me uh it's Terra this is like take

Brian Atlaspotato quality equal pay for men on only fans I went to a protest I had a bunch of crazy protest signs and so yeah I think men should be paid equally on on that would be fair right I have a question though AR do you guys set your

Multiple Guests (mixed)own prices so how come the man just doesn't set his own price equal to the woman no one buys it exactly so how would you guys can Implement that you guys paid the get the same no of course it's Market driven yeah exactly so if

Charlie Kirkthe law gets passed they would still make more than the man because they have more subscribers right and not because they're getting paid more it depends how it's written but in the ABS ra it would say that equal work for Equal Pay that's literally what they just marched in the

Charlie Kirkstreets for so your question is not so much as like getting paid by the out like the same break pay but you're saying annual pay it it depends so let's say there was a company that employs only fans models and then they take a

Charlie Kirkcut and they do all the work for you okay and they employ male and female only fan models and they both work 10 hours a day the female only fan models will earn a million dollar a year and the ma for the company and the the males

Charlie Kirkwill only bring in $100,000 a year for the company should they have to pay both of them the same because it's equal work for equal pay or should they give more money to

Charlie Kirkwho's actually bringing money to the door the women for the

Charlie Kirkcompany I don't know I don't have like an opinion on like that kind of stuff like I think you both know the answer you're just afraid to say it that that women should be able to earn what they

Charlie Kirkearn and they provide in the only fans model I find only fans to be disgusting that's a separate issue we talk later but I'm just trying to find this however how is that any different in a corporate environment when men are more likely to

Charlie Kirktravel for work they're more likely to go make the second or third call for a promotion or a raise so the equal pay for equal work movement kind of falls apart when it comes down to Online female modeling doesn't

Shai / Imogen (mixed)it honestly I don't I don't think like I don't I think it should be fair sorry I think it should be fair between like how much they earn but that it is

Shai / Imogen (mixed)actually up to like how much you want to earn by the amount of posting you're doing if you're not posting anything you're not going to make just as much as that girl that is posting all the

Shai / Imogen (mixed)time okay yeah um me and imagin don't ownn the same she posts more than me and like she makes more than me is that fair

Shai / Imogen (mixed)I think it is fair because it's up to me I agree I think I'm so shouldn't we structure all of society that way who works the hardest gets the most yes we agree feminism is dead let's say I work 2 hours a day imagins working 8 hours a

Shai / Imogen (mixed)day doing Tik toks reals and all of that stuff like making content for the o wall and everything she's earning more than me but then I'm being like lazy and I'm Ling back I'm not making that much so it's you're making an argument for for

Shai / Imogen (mixed)market-based capitalism pretty well I think that it's up to the men if like if he was work just as much as um imin doing 8 hours a day then she he should

Shai / Imogen (mixed)just earn just as much but then by law or just let it happen just let it happen okay and if he falls short and he ends up earning half um then just work hard out because she's been working hard got

Charlie Kirkit so when if you look at a big company like apple and I tell you that the female Engineers earn less than the male Engineers just let it happen right yeah okay just let it happen no oh no I agree

Brian Atlasoh yeah just let it happen yeah okay I agree yeah that we we are we are wrecking new wage feminism here destroyed annihilated okay um I want to come back really quick you brought up

Brian Atlasthe wage Gap um let's see wait hold on you brought up the wage Gap you're saying well should be paid

Brian Atlasequally in uh you know if you're doing the same job is that correct so you're you're and do you believe that there is a gender wage Gap since you brought it up into the mic I mean that's what we've been like taught

Brian Atlasin school then it must be true right that's what you've been taught in school okay so um shoot I missed my notes on the specific thing with the wage Gap uh this

Brian Atlasis kind of an interesting stat that we found out recently so what are your thoughts on for example they actually found that Asian women out earn white men do you subscribe to that wage Gap

Brian Atlasuh I don't know Nick could you pull up the data on that so median weekly earnings of full-time workers white men versus Asian women so you have white men Asian women

Brian Atlasthere recently just they Asian women you're gu you guys are killing it good job Maddie good job Maddie back there why is that you guys are killing it do we know why good for you uh C different

Multiple Guests (mixed)I don't know like okay is it a skill issue something like this I don't know man but is so is this perhaps evidence

Brian Atlasof Asian women oppressing white men I think that's what it is I think Asian women are oppressing white I'm kidding men or just working harder could be could sometimes Merit expl sometimes

Brian AtlasMerit explains a lot of this almost all the time oh I remember my question um Sports so you know when it comes to basketball soccer there's been a bunch

Brian Atlasof articles on this do you think that uh women in sports should be paid the same as the men in sports so like men's basketball women's basketball I want to start with you I'll open it up to the rest of the

Multiple Guests (mixed)panel I mean I think that generally the men's sports are watched more so I think it would make sense that they would get paid more because they have more like views and any anybody want sponsorships

Brian Atlassay I I agree with that I mean any object anyone object to the differential payment though in sports should should it be equal in sports should it be equal check them out female female basketball

Multiple Guests (mixed)player should he should be paid the same as male basketball player like the most based panel ever well you're talking about Pro Sports not like the title N Stuff in colleges and like spending professional sports professional sports yeah let's say like r g in San Antonio I

Brian Atlasmean we had the you don't have thoughts on this no feel like it's equal that's fair if men women don't earn as much as men do okay okay reasonable all right and by the way J jsr I'll just quickly

Brian Atlasjust your uh message that came through by the way I've just paused them temporarily really quick just to get through a few things I'll let a few of them come in jsr yes the scene from Saving Private Ryan absolutely excellent

Brian Atlasalso no uh All Quiet on the Western Front it's available on Netflix strongly encourage you guys to watch that it kind of shows the uh the uh just savagery and

Brian Atlasbrutality of warfare um so okay we hit that we've hit the draft stuff actually really quick on the draft stuff Charlie I got to push back here against you a

Brian Atlaslittle bit here uh I'm actually so I'm in favor Charlie of women being drafted now here's why Charlie first off actually that just occurred to me the whole like well then they would just get

Brian Atlaspregnant fertility the fertil you know they' just go and get pregnant to avoid deployment service guarantees citizenship that's the other thing and

Brian Atlasthen also um you know I say Frontline combat too like you know soften them up a little bit that then when the men come in like soften up the enemy so like send

Charlie Kirkthe women first and then like you know they like soften them up and then like the the guys can come in and like finish the job you know like a shield do do you concur to use women as human Shields no not as human Shields as a stupid war no

Charlie Kirkno no no but like throw them in sof soften them up a little bit oh use like throw them forward as like as the combat what we supposed to do with them we can come in and take all the credit oh yeah

Brian AtlasI'm not sure I'm Bo for that okay they do use women as H think it over um okay so uh uh I did want to ask I don't know why I wrote this down I wrote down

Brian Atlascapitalism for some reason uh just really quick is everybody in favor of capitalism or would you prefer some other I mean it creates like problems

Multiple Guests (mixed)like um the over usage of adult content for example I think that's a product of capitalism and so there would be no only fans if we were like communist or whatever I think they're proba probably

Multiple Guests (mixed)not not there's probably still going to be like some run around but I mean no that doesn't mean that no no one doesn't negate the other okay fair um so uh in favor of I don't know why I wrote this

Multiple Guests (mixed)down but I have okay in favor of capitalism or do you prefer what would you prefer like socialism communism capitalism is okay okay I say it's capitalism actually but I also that's

Brian Atlasthe only option we have at the moment I'm not for socialist or communism or any of that so yeah so there you acknowledge that there's issues within capitalism but despite those issues it is currently the best system that we

Brian Atlashave exactly okay I don't really have an [Music] opinion un so if let's say we were communist you would not be able to if it

Brian Atlaswas a like you wouldn't be able to like dye your hair um blonde if it was Comm my hair's dyed what's that how do you know my hair is

Multiple Guests (mixed)DED um aess guess just a hunch you know oh so like can you just Define it

Charlie Kirkthen so that hair dye no or Define what Comm yeah uh I'm going to defer what is communism I'm not saying this do they do do they do they teach communism in college anymore or like I'm just saying

Charlie Kirklike why do you bring up me being blonde he he was he was making a a a tongue and cheek point of saying that in communism it's total control of one's

Charlie Kirklife totalitarianism so you can get St stupid and arbitrary rules like that in you probably wouldn't be able to buy hair yeah communist dictatorships yeah

Multiple Guests (mixed)maybe they prioritize that I don't know maybe here just show of hands anybody against capitalism so I'll just move it along I think it it total unfettered capitalism is a little brutal that's why

Multiple Guests (mixed)we have you know antitrust laws and some things to regulate when it's completely unfettered but for sure it's there was I'm going to get it wrong but there's somebody famous who said it's terrible system but better than all the others right sure okay I think that's nobody

Brian AtlasI'll let a couple of these chats come in they're going to come in in just a second then we're going to I want to come back to that clip we saw cuz no we didn't really get a full reaction to it then we have a couple things we other things we need to react to sorry guys

Brian Atlaswe're we're just letting a few of these come in and uh I'm gonna let a shoot sorry guys we're on a delay here by the

Brian Atlasway guys Charlie's book right wi re great you donated $300 thank you doc Jr there are more women than men doctors in

TTS Readerprimary care and there is a specialty exclusively devoted to Women's Health men do not how are women patients under served cheers Charlie do you want to address that really quick how how are uh female

Brian Atlaspatients underserved I don't feel like addressing that right now we've already moved way past that do you want to add like one little thing I'm good would let I'll ask you a question we're not going to debate it at least now anyways do you think

Brian Atlasthat part of your position on that has to do with abortion rights yeah slightly yeah okay we can I'll write that down perhaps if time permitting we'll get to that in a bit uh Joe Murphy hold on where was the other

Brian Atlasone sorry guys a couple of these chats are coming in I'm going to read them and then we'll get back to the reaction to that clip that we pulled up Kirk can you make the same argument about equal pay about any other institution but only

Charlie Kirkfans yeah Healthcare okay female nurses earn more than male nurses thank you and they're also more female nurses than male nurses all right and also teaching as well Elementary School teaching um there's more there's also

Brian Atlasmore women that are OBGYNs than men OBGYNs all right and off the top of my head cheeks here says I'm extremely disappointed that nobody on the panel knows what real feminism is an extreme

Brian Atlasshort feminism is the destruction of the nuclear family patriarchy never was about equality drizzle drizzle okay thank you cheeks appreciate it by the way if you can just scoot into the table a little bit you're

Brian Atlasjust getting cut out of frame there okay thank you guys I'm going to pause it pause it just temporarily just to get through our next couple things and then I'll get the super chats later uh so

Brian Atlasgoing back to if you guys recall that clip that we were looking at so you guys all remember essentially she's this kind of more liberal Progressive woman who's

Brian Atlaslike upset that she can't find at least among the men that she wants to date that match her values and you know match her Progressive liberal feminist values she doesn't get get the traditional

Brian Atlastreatment from those guys what are your thoughts on that on the clip and also do you think liberal women deserve chivalrous treatment so I think we

Brian Atlaswere I'll just ask you do you think liberal women deserve chalous

Brian Atlastreatment can you explain more on that uh like so do you want me to like repeat the question or so okay do you think liberal women deserve do you know chivalry right yeah

Charlie Kirkthe guy opening the car door paying for the first date um walking next to on the left side of you on the street instead of the right side so he's walking closer to the car

Brian Atlasin case something happens agree on that so do you no do you think liberal women because shiv treatment I would categorize as traditional treat

Brian Atlasbut it's not clear to me if liberal Progressive women are traditional women so you're asking me do you think liberal women so let me here do you

Brian Atlasthink non-traditional women are deserving of traditional treatment or chivalrous

Multiple Guests (mixed)treatment no I don't know all right what about you deserving I mean I don't think it's for me to say what people deserve and don't deserve but I do think that if

Multiple Guests (mixed)you're dating liberal men you're less likely to get the sort of traditional types of things we see that in Scandinavia for instance where women have even more power and money per capit than here and so men are very 5050 so

Brian AtlasI'm actually I'll just get your guys's answers again if you already answered it do you think liberal women deserve chivalrous treatment of course and you said you've received it yeah every guy

Multiple Guests (mixed)I've dated because you consider yourself Progressive right yeah liberal feminist yeah not like hardcore liberal but I'm I'm Progressive and I I wouldn't I don't see a reason to ever date someone who

Multiple Guests (mixed)wouldn't give me chivalry it's kind of like what I think every woman deserves the wonderful experience of a man

Shai / Imogen (mixed)courting her and treating her well and respectful um I agree um I think that they deserve to

Serenaexperience yeah even and so you deserve that correct yeah I think I deserve it yeah I think women or liberal women do deserve okay yeah I agree with that

Multiple Guests (mixed)as well I think ladies deserve to be treated like ladies and not all women are ladies well put okay see I think everybody deserves excuse me the experience of at

Multiple Guests (mixed)least once of having a sh Sky I don't believe that all women want the chivalry sure especially the more more Progressive feminist that's true okay uh Charlie I think you recalls the clip

Charlie Kirkwhat I mean you don't always get what you deserve in life uh but yes every woman should be treated the same regardless of their political views but if you are a progressive and you go out of your way to go you know date fboys then don't be surprised when they can't

Brian Atlaseven hold the door when they open it well I have a question for you Charlie I mean do you think the type of men that are more likely to give women that more traditional treatment do you think they

Charlie Kirkwould lean more conservative uh liberal shiverers treatment shiv oh conservative without a doubt yeah without a doubt I mean and that's a generalization I mean there's exceptions to every rule but the vast majority of conservative men would at least

Charlie Kirkeverything I understand would consider to be insane not to treat the lady with shy because men conservative the conservative movement in general is much more understanding and appreciative and

Charlie Kirkuh trying to protect the the natural order of male female differences and distinctions and that's that's one of our difference do you have do you have a thought on that yeah I have a question um I completely agree with what you said right there but what would you say about

Charlie Kirkincels who describe themselves as part of the conservative community incels so um they should go find a a wife that's what I say regardless I mean I I I think

Charlie KirkI think that it's destructive if we have a single men is a big problem in in the in the Bible it says God said to to Adam it's not good for man to be alone men being single over over 30 is is a big

Charlie Kirkproblem and by the way women being single over 30 is also a big problem and I talk about that but single men are more likely to commit crimes more likely to go to jail more likely to get into drugs more likely to be isolated and you know distant on society men men need

Charlie Kirkwomen as much as women need men so if it was up to you you wouldn't allow the incels to be a part of the well allow I mean if you believe in my value system but I'm if I ever confront it I'm going to tell you get your life together get

Brian Atlasyour act together that's stop being a loser valid so this is actually a perfect segue into our next SE segment Charlie you came under a bit of heat I

Charlie KirkI've never I've never said anything controversial never you got some backlash you got slammed that's what the news articles Nick can I give them a trigger warning before this this is a spicy clip it's but you guys can say

Brian Atlaswhatever you want about me but it's not the full context just so we're clear but it I did say it yeah so Nick pull those up there's some news articles you're always in the news Charlie but uh B uh you I mean and I I think they're probably

Brian Atlastaking you a little bit out of context but uh Arizona that's not the totality the point right birth control is why women are so bitter slammed that's not the only reason you got slammed uh for

Brian Atlascalling women the third not I said hormonal birth control messes with women's Brains which is true and then you faced backlash for saying women in their 30s are past their Prime not

Brian Atlasexactly what I said but that's okay and I do uh you know if um you could defend me by the way so we're going to pull up a couple of the clips if they exclude any additional context you can let me know we can pull up the whole thing no

Brian Atlasit's fine I don't care I mean it's fine or just tell us what the additional context is no I hope you get the spiciest Clips we got the spest clips so we we'll start with the first one there's three total nick if you can go ahead go for it a lot of them are on

Charlie Kirkbirth control too and birth control like really screws up female brains by the way every single one of you need to make sure that your loved ones are not on birth control it increases depression anxiety suicidal ideation birth birth

Charlie Kirkcontrol is the number one most prescribed medication for young ladies under the age of 25 they they will give birth young ladies birth control for pimples for acne for to control their moods their period it is it is awful

Charlie Kirkit's terrible um and it creates very angry and bitter young ladies and young women um that then that bitterness then manifests into um a political party that is the bitter party I mean the Democrat

Charlie KirkParty is all about bring us your bitterness and you know we'll give you free stuff it's like we'll trade you you know bitterness for Stuff essentially that's like the Democrat Party a lot of them are on birth control too we can play it again yeah yeah exactly to be

Brian Atlasclear I meant hormonal birth control to be very clear so yes uh I think it'd be interesting to at least hear from the women uh is anybody here currently on hormon hormonal birth control no I actually hated birth control and how it

Multiple Guests (mixed)made me feel so so do you sympathize with what I was clumsily trying to say a little bit a little bit how did it make you can I ask how did it make you feel um I was kind of confused when you me uh what was that you said

Multiple Guests (mixed)um what causes them to go into that political party they B we can get into that but I'm I'm more focused on how did it make you feel like were you depressed anxious oh made me feel horrible my skin was awful and I just I didn't feel like

Multiple Guests (mixed)I was aligned with my life but maybe that's I'm just too in tune but okay it's not better or worse I'm also not on birth control I also didn't like my experience with it okay uh I've never

Multiple Guests (mixed)been on birth control I took it years past in my late 20s and I also didn't like the way it made me feel it's heavy progesterone a lot of depression um and yeah I'm I no

Shai / Imogen (mixed)longer have to deal with that um I used to take it when I was younger but I didn't agree with it and the way it made me feel like sick gave me gave me a bit of acne and I think it's a reason why I

Multiple Guests (mixed)did like come up with entosis wow so I didn't agree with it um I'm not on birth control but I used to be on the p

Multiple Guests (mixed)personally for me I didn't experience any side effects my skin was really clear luckily um but I stopped taking it because I was just scared of the side effects that it might have

Multiple Guests (mixed)oh rip hold on uh keep keep going guys keep going um I've never been on it before never been on it i' would say in addition to the side effects there's also been a couple studies that have

Multiple Guests (mixed)come out showing that women that are on hormonal birth control more look at more the beta guys and then once you get off of it you're looking for more the alpha type guy um and I was saying my experience I was on hormonal

Multiple Guests (mixed)birth control because I had endometriosis and PCOS oh wow um and my ex-husband was very much a beta um had hysterctomy decided I wanted to divorce

Charlie Kirkhim and I am now very much with a very dominant alpha male awesome um but yeah terrible side effects do you uh do you feel those of you that were on birth control that they properly informed you of the possible side effects before you

Multiple Guests (mixed)went on the pill no they didn't let you know about the spiritual side effects which was like hanging out or getting guys who were like less of your caliber or whatever

Multiple Guests (mixed)that was for you um cuz I had the S similar experience of like un alignment generally so you felt that you were attracted to different people while you were on the pill sure I was it was only

Multiple Guests (mixed)like a few months but yeah hly uh Maddie can you fix that please okay there's an interesting study uh at my alma that they found out uh exotic dancers made way more money when they were not on

Multiple Guests (mixed)hormonal birth control because they and they're not sure either men could sense it like maybe smell or or maybe we don't know or um maybe women like men better they don't know for sure but it made a

Brian Atlasdistinct different in their income go figure okay Nick there's another clip can you also just see the volume on really quick you you said you had a question though about the second part of it of my comment oh yeah yeah what did

Charlie Kirkyou mean about they were distressed was it distress yeah I said that bitter oh bitterness yeah I I if you if you get too far in your life in my per most young ladies deep down want to find a partner they want to get married and

Brian Atlasthey want to have children there's exceptions to that uh but if you suppress that for too long it can create a lot of bitterness okay I can see that uh Nick can you pull up the other

SPEAKER_08clip Max it is maxed okay uh sorry chat the volume's a little low on these clips now he's saying get your kids off birth control and and and praise God they shouldn't be on birth control if they're

Charlie Kirkyour kids no Christian parent should ever allow their daughter on birth control ever period there that that that is and you if your daughter's on birth control or granddaughter get them off immediately now he's saying get yeah

Brian Atlassame thing yeah and again I meant hormone I was using a filler term of hormonal birth control okay and then the next clip I think is the one that Drew the most IR not just you know from both can I can I say this ahead of time so what a better way I could have said this

Charlie Kirkis that as you get older your dating pool shrinks uh I I said it fine but like there's one word that's clumsy there and you know I met uh my wife Erica when she was in her late 20s we're now super happily married um and weid

Charlie Kirkyou did nothing wrong Charlie huh no no no I I want to be clear though because again no one is above criticism or reproach however the essence of what I said is 100% true that's what I will say is that you can kind of sometimes you

Charlie Kirkknow stumble over your words but the essence is 100% true got it all right let's uh play the clip girls are going to react to this go ahead we basically told a great generation of young women don't get married don't have kids go get

Charlie Kirka corporate job and it's created Mass political hysteria um and then in their early 30s they get really upset because they say you know the boys don't want to date me anymore because they're not at their Prime and people get mad when I

Charlie Kirksay that well it's just true if you're in your early 30s I'm sorry it's like you're not as attractive in the dating pool as you were in the early 20s but again you have your corporate driving cats so I thought you you know

Brian Atlaswe basically there you go was the audio boosted on that one ni oh okay yeah it's super low anyways your reaction to the clip starting with you go ahead

Multiple Guests (mixed)okay yeah where's the Crickets you can cue The Crickets I'm you can say whatever you want I don't no I don't I really don't have anything to say about that I mean yeah the dating pool does shrink

Multiple Guests (mixed)that's very true mhm okay yeah any reaction to that um also don't really feel like I have to make a comment on that there's really

Multiple Guests (mixed)not much to say okay yeah all right what about you sure dating pools shrinks also some women want a job in cats and for them that's a good time again I lean

Multiple Guests (mixed)toward a world in which people can do what they want mhm sound like an anarchist right I honestly don't have an opinion we suck yeah I know here I'll I thought I thought when you told me you

Charlie Kirkwere going to play my tapes Brian I was going to get screamed at and people are going to throw I guess I'm not I'm not as controversial as I thought I was yeah see you got a warm reception here I don't know they coign everything politics we don't have to answer now but

Multiple Guests (mixed)I I do have a question if you want to make it cooler culturally for women young women to want to be mothers and be married and you know antium stuff then then what's the there's got to be a long-term plan right to change the

Charlie Kirkculture yeah and I that's part of what we're I'm trying to I'm first trying to live what I believe and build a family because I think that's important then I'm also trying to ad at this in a culture where it's not always celebrated and I would love to just really go

Charlie Kirkquickly Around the Horn super quick if you had to choose between if you if you could only pick one marriage or career which would you choose if you had to choose can we can we do that yeah can I

Charlie Kirkadd one thing so is it so great amazing career or beautiful health healthy family is that that's correct okay that if you had to choose now you can have both in life but if you could only pick one I would say

Multiple Guests (mixed)marriage marriage yeah the healthy family family marriage marriage marriage marriage marriage and can I answer the other question yeah of course yeah so I

Multiple Guests (mixed)actually want to back him up on you know you're not really in your Prime once you turned 30 um I know I I got married at age 23 I mean I was pretty I was an

Multiple Guests (mixed)athlete um married the wrong guy became obese um yeah not now obviously um but yeah once I divorced him after I turned

Charlie Kirk30 the dating people was vastly smaller MH well thank you for defending me I could have used you a couple months ago so I'm in Phoenix so no that's right we we we should talk no and I just the last question I I'll ask is I want you to

Charlie Kirkthink about it if every single one you said marriage are you making deliberate steps every day to get closer to that goal or are you making steps to get closer to the career

Multiple Guests (mixed)goal starting with you go ahead um because I believe that in a marriage since it is you're coming together as a contractual agreement I do

Multiple Guests (mixed)want to provide to a certain extent um just in case my husband can't I am going towards the career okay at the moment no and I I I only ask just and again you don't have to go we don't have

Charlie Kirkto go on the horn I think it's important though to answer your question far too often we do not tell young ladies if you have to prioritize one more than the other would you rather have your

Charlie KirkTombstone say CEO of a shoe company or loving mother of three children and a wife and if you would and if you would rather have loving mother and you know of three children and a wife then you

Charlie Kirkshould prioritize that more in your early 20s than your career or going to college because the tragedy is there are far more single early 30-some women in this country than married 30-something women in this country it's it's a it's

Charlie Kirkthe fertility rates the lowest ever been marriage rates the lowest ever been and it's because we tell young ladies you can wait forever to do this and that's not that's not the case for everybody it's the case for some people but not the case for everybody and I think it's a

Multiple Guests (mixed)tragedy I think while even you have a family you should I'm trying here man even when you have a family you should still have like uh what happens when the kids are done and they graduate and they move on out of the nest what what does a

Charlie Kirkwoman do then does woman just take care well that's assuming that's a really smart question though in fact we are doing everything the opposite we should say focus on family formation in your

Charlie Kirkearly 20s then go to college in your late 30s sure but what if you Mar College will always be there no that's a very fair point love and life come with

Multiple Guests (mixed)a huge risk sure but the greater risk is dying alone but I feel like we also have to acknowledge the fact that the one of the reasons why so many women don't want to prioritize marriage right now just

Multiple Guests (mixed)straight out of your 18 let's work on getting married and having kids and then think about college is because College gives you so many opportunities that like you can focus and work on that directly you come out of college you

Multiple Guests (mixed)have all these open doors whereas if you're 18 and you decide not to go to college CU you want to P prioritize a marriage that can go wrong in so many other ways where you have no backup plan

Multiple Guests (mixed)now you're 25 making minimum wage so much farther behind towards a marriage than the woman who already graduated college who has Financial stability to be able to have kids and provide for her

Charlie Kirkkids so that's where like that's a fair that's a fair point you could always go back to college I'll reiterate that however that's not the problem in America the problem right now as it is because the problem you're talking about

Charlie Kirkwas the problem in the 1960s which is what Gloria di said if my husband left I would have no way to feed myself that was The Core Essence of her critique like if my husband left I would be having to go to get food stamps because I have no skills except being a stay-at

Charlie Kirkhome mom which by the way is like the most important thing ever being a stay-at home mom but that's a separate issue so but right now in America we've gone to the Other Extreme which is you could delay it you can delay it you can have kids whenever you want and we have

Multiple Guests (mixed)15 to 20 million single women in the country that um have great careers and I feel like another reason why woman right now it's so hard for them to just prioritize having kids is cuz if you

Multiple Guests (mixed)haven't gone to college got the education you don't have a husband who also is very financially stable who is going to who's going to provide for those kids you know what I mean we're in times where it's so I iy I don't I don't

Charlie Kirksympathize with that argument as much first of all if you get married by definition your costs go down because you have two people than paying for rent right or or for a mortgage so you can actually consolidate income but studies actually show men earn more as soon as

Charlie Kirkthey get married and have children something Primal kicks into us we take a second job we work extra hours we figure it out men are actually very men are super simple women are very complicated

Charlie Kirkmen as long as we feel appreciated we feel noticed and we feel special and we see our role and our purpose we will go to the ends of the Earth to feed our family we'll figure it out and I think we're under selling American men we say

Charlie Kirkoh you know I I've wait until I'm 27 or 28 that's fine but look at the cost of that and the cost is right now just as we're clear we are on Pace 10 years out from now we're going to have 20 million

Charlie Kirk40 something women that never got married or have kids but they have big Apartments they go on lots of lots of vacations and I I also think that's one of the reasons we're seeing uh the suicide rate the anxiety problems the depression problems in our country do

Multiple Guests (mixed)you have a thought or yeah I just feel like how many people that are like or how many males are that are 20 are like ready to get married and like ready to

Charlie Kirkhave great so the question is which one leads which men yes but in the 1950s or 1960s the time we're supposed to hate young ladies looked at it was my task to

Charlie Kirkfind a husband before the age of 25 and it was like the most important thing for them now that came with a lot of cost some people would say that it was handcuffs and you know being in prison but if young ladies first and foremost

Charlie Kirkno offense to my two Australian friends got off of only fans and stopped you know posting naked pictures of themselves online and made themselves harder to get men would step up to the plate one of the reasons why men are grown infants is because women are so

Charlie Kirkeasy to get right now in America there's there's no desire there's no hunt there's no search so you can be a grown infant you can you can get sex when it used to be in 1950s young women would be like I'm not giving myself over to you you're a Manchild like you don't even

Charlie Kirkpay rent you don't even you have nothing going for you when now unfortunately you can pay 10 bucks a month to go a woman naked no no offense well actually kind of offensive

Charlie Kirkbuts yeah think sorry sorry but I'm just I'm saying that that's okay but to my only fan friends here do do you think that do you you both want to get Mar married right and have K children yeah

Charlie Kirkof course do you think that you are more desirable or less desirable to a future husband when you post suggestive or naked pictures online I think that we're intitled just as much as all the people no you're totally entitled you have

Charlie Kirkfreedom to do it I'm asking a different question are you more you more desirable or less desirable for a man it's always been the same for me like I've always like received love the same way and

Shai / Imogen (mixed)that's pretty like I didn't really receive it they all looked at me the same from the beginning how do you know how men look at you because like I when I talk to them like I usually feel head

Shai / Imogen (mixed)over heels for them and they all view me the same way so whether or not I'm doing only fans and selling my body or not doing only fans and selling my body I'm still like looked at the same way they still think that of me yeah you don't know you don't know the male mind very

Shai / Imogen (mixed)well but they've already told me themselves like men are really good liars do you know that true then how could you know they're telling the truth I don't know I just take their word for it you just said they're good liars well

Multiple Guests (mixed)I don't know I'd say a lot of the guys that I know are more I guess the high higher value type guys they don't take only fans girls seriously they will never look at them for marage people some people actually do want only fans

Charlie Kirkwomen and want to marry only fans women and have kids with only fans but very erroneous hold on do you think those men are virtuous high quality men that won't

Shai / Imogen (mixed)cheat on you um yeah I do okay it doesn't it doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like it but it's actually really normalized in my area

Charlie Kirklike no the fact that it's normalized is not the point the point is is it good um is it right to post suggestive pictures of yourself online number one and does it get closer to your goal of being married for the rest of your life with

Multiple Guests (mixed)the soulmate that you love I feel like obviously like I want to get married and obviously like I feel like if I was with a guy and he didn't accept my past I wouldn't want to be with him not your

Charlie Kirkpast if you're still doing it if he accept it then so let me ask you a hypothetical if you met a man and he says I'm earning 2 million bucks a year would you quit only fans okay like that

Multiple Guests (mixed)yes if they can make as much as I can then yes I so you would quit only but if they're going to say like stop doing it but they're not doing anything with their life then no I'm not going to stop okay so it's just purely Financial for you yeah okay yeah yeah definitely is

Charlie Kirkwould you agree it's just purely Financial for you literally yeah okay do you think that you have more to offer to the world than your body of course yeah then why don't you do that because we chose not to because you CH but I know

Shai / Imogen (mixed)but do do don't you think I mean we have more to offer but we also want to be able to travel and explore okay no now we're getting somewh so you want a fun life yeah a free life where we can travel like live our life like young

Charlie Kirkeverything in life comes with a cost of course and the cost for you is that your body will now be shared by tens of thousands of people not just your soulmate yeah yeah but don't you feel a little bit of sadness that you wish that

Shai / Imogen (mixed)your body would just be sold with your future shared with your future soulmate I did have that mindset and then like I feel like men actually changed me and turned me into this person and who did a men no like men in general like they've

Shai / Imogen (mixed)just turned me into this person I I didn't play my life going this way it was literally a one minute decision and I thought I might as well they all view me the same so I'll just throw my life in and do it well but I feel like if a

Shai / Imogen (mixed)man wants to be with me and love me for who I am then so be it but if they're going to judge me for what my what my work is and what I do then I'm not going to let them in my life right so the the judging is a

Charlie Kirkseparate issue I'm just do you do you think the type of man you want I imagine is one that tells the truth and that is loyal to you yeah that pool of men that you eventually want to have a family

Charlie Kirkwith do you think they will look fun upon only fan girls I don't know like I don't know I don't know I could tell you

Charlie Kirkas a man that we look so lowly on oie fan girls it's the equivalent to digital prostitution yeah that's your opinion no it's not it's it's the average western

Charlie Kirkwestern male I don't know if it's like what is his opinion I mean it's not an opinion it's it is it is factual that the average Western male looks at only fans no different than an escort service delivered digitally well isn't it just

Charlie Kirkobjectively true and I'm not trying to attack either of you I think you're both victims caught up in this terrible Trend I just want to ask you have you thought deeply about how this might get you further from your goal not closer to

Multiple Guests (mixed)your goal yeah yeah like I have definitely thought about that when like I first started it I was like this comes with like consequences though so like I obviously thought about it and was like but I'm taking I'm going to do this and

Shai / Imogen (mixed)obviously it's going to be harder to find a guy to marry but I'm taking that risk yeah I've always thought about just taking the risk and I've always been like a risk taker I don't really care about what anyone else thinks like

Shai / Imogen (mixed)that's up to you and what you think but if I think that I can get somewhere by it then I'm going to do it do you both want children yeah um

Charlie Kirkwell I do but I don't know if I can you mean physically or yeah okay yeah so so if you were to have children and you were to go to your first graders career day and you were to present to a bunch

Multiple Guests (mixed)of first ERS how would you describe what you do to a bunch of first graders well I don't think that I'll still be doing only fans when I do have kids I feel like that's something that I would stop before I did have kids just so like it's

Charlie Kirknot like obviously like the internet is always going to be there but the internet is forever yeah but I feel like it's something that I would stop before I did have children kind of thing can I ask approximately I have no idea how much money do you earn annually can is

Shai / Imogen (mixed)that okay to ask I'm just curious um so in the last 6 months I've earned over $115,000 us or um a us a us so what is that conversion rate like 9 80% so like

Charlie Kirkyeah so it was like can buy like a cant or something with that yeah exactly no I think it's 80,000 American right about yeah is that correct yeah I think so I'm guessing I don't know um that's in 6

Multiple Guests (mixed)months yeah sixth so you're projected to have like over 150 180,000 by next year uh60 yeah okay 12 Grand a month did you have

Charlie Kirkmore on that I'm just I'm I just want to make sure everybody watching and you guys all think deeply about that and how men view not just only fans culture but you all said marriage and some of you said marriage and kids is the most

Charlie Kirkimportant thing but far too often our actions and what we do every day is actually not getting us closer to our stated goal well you can say that to the subscribers too who subscribe to their

Multiple Guests (mixed)contribute to their pockets but that's what I mean how can we find um husbands in our 20s in our early 20s I'm not in my early 20 but how could we find husbands if they're busy subscribing to only fans chicks yeah well not every man

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