1 SHOW LEFT?! Andrew Wilson IRL vs. SUPER FEMINISTS! She Did 1 Guy PER DAY?! | Dating Talk #221

Date: 2024-12-16

Duration: 10h 06m

Guests

RRuby (Nashville)>

MMandy (NorCal)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Brian Atlas

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donation(audience)

SPEAKER_02Mandy(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kenna(guest)

SPEAKER_04Mizy(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lucy / Ruby / Riley(guest)

SPEAKER_06Alicia Barbie(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Other(audience)

SPEAKER_08TTS/Other(audience)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Naomi(guest)

SPEAKER_12TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_13Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_14Mandy (alt)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroFull panel introductions: Lucy (21, LA, waitress), Mizy (29, Hollywood, streamer/Fish Tank), Ruby (20, Nashville, car dealership), Mandy (20, N.CA, unemployed), Kenna (19, Nashville, OnlyFans), Alicia Barbie (23, Chicago, social media), Naomi (18, SD, OF/vet school), Riley (18, SD, OF/psychology), Andrew Wilson (The Crucible host), Brian Atlas (35, Whatever host).

“hi my name is Lucy I'm 21 um I'm from LA and I work as a waitress”

QuoteMandy reveals she has a bisexual boyfriend she met on Grindr and that she pegs him. Andrew's reaction is comedic disbelief.

“so you went to grinder to try to pick up gay guys I was in a dark place okay Andrew”

ControversyAlicia argues that men with high body counts who prefer low body count women are hypocrites. Andrew systematically dismantles the hypocrisy argument, explaining it is a preference not a moral condemnation. Heated back-and-forth.

“do you guys think that that's uh problematic for high body count man to be like I only want to date a virgin”

Key MomentBrian bets $1,000 that he can beat Lucy at roofing two birdhouses tomorrow, challenging her claim that women face barriers in construction. Lucy accepts with conditions.

“if we're talking about like body count... I'll put 1,000 bucks down come in tomorrow”

RelationshipSelf-ratings round: Lucy 7, Mizy 7.5, Ruby 4-5, Mandy 8, Alicia 8-9, Naomi 9, Riley 10/6 (day-dependent), Andrew 10, Brian 5.

“ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10”

ControversyMandy tearfully reveals her teenage sex addiction: she contracted stage-2 syphilis at ~17 and unknowingly gave it to her current boyfriend. Very emotional moment; Lucy and Mandy both cry. Andrew makes dark quip about the strap-on.

“I I and I just [bleep] up my body I'm sorry it's okay”

QuoteLucy empathetically supports Mandy after syphilis revelation: 'you can be vulnerable about it on this with all these people you don't know... this is something that people don't talk about but probably a lot of people go through.'

“you're being vulnerable and that's super hard and like scary thank you thank you for sharing”

ControversyKenna's pre-show notes reveal she was on every dating app at age 17, sleeping with a different guy roughly every other day for about a month. Brian reads the notes aloud; Kenna confirms and gives details.

“no crazy stories other than when you were 17 you were on every dating app imaginable you were getting a different guy every day for about a month”

QuoteKenna reveals her total body count is 19, with 15 of those coming in a single month at age 17.

“my body counts only 19 so like after that like little phase I'm just like now I'm dating to Mary it's over”

Key MomentFull body count round: Alicia 32, Lucy ~25, Mizy did not disclose (7.5 mentioned in context of rating), Ruby 10-12, Mandy ~40, Kenna 19, Naomi ~50, Riley 5, Andrew claims 1 (crowd skeptical), Brian ~5.

“some of you already actually stated your body counts but why we just uh starting with you”

ControversyAndrew introduces 'faking virtue' concept: women who ordinarily would sleep with a guy quickly but make a different guy wait because they believe he values chastity — tailoring apparent virtue to what the man wants.

“I call this phenomenon faking virtue”

ControversyAndrew debates whether trans people are obligated to disclose their status before sex. Uses progressively more extreme hypotheticals (mask analogy). Panel and Brian discuss risks of heterosexual men being labeled bigots for not wanting to sleep with trans women.

“all I'm asking is that men who generally try to proposition women for sex get rejected”

ControversyAlicia and Andrew clash over race and Black history. Alicia struggles to name continents, confuses Cape Cod with Cape Town. Andrew discusses South African land reform and Black-on-Black crime comparisons. The exchange becomes heated before Brian moves on.

“are they are they making their mothers their they killed them get together”

OtherDonors pay guests to remove makeup and wigs. Most guests comply — transformation is notable (Kenna especially). Alicia initially refuses citing Barbie identity, eventually removes her wig. Chat roasts guests with makeup-related donations.

“Makenna do it no excuses play Like A Champion my eyebrows”

QuoteBrian announces Tuesday's final show of 2024: Andrew Wilson vs. a mystery guest. Teases it's 'going to be big.'

“we will be live again Tuesday at 5:00 PM Pacific for our final show final show of the Year Andrew will be there we have a big guest”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Champagne Pop

Brian introduces the panel; each guest gives name, age, location, occupation. Yellow Banana donor sends champagne pop for Andrew Wilson. Relationship statuses discussed round-table.

Relationship History & Unusual Dynamics

Mandy reveals she has a bisexual/gay boyfriend met on Grindr and pegs him. Kenna discusses recent breakup. Alicia admits to cheating in all relationships despite being married. Father relationship round discussed.

Body Count Hypocrisy Debate

Andrew and Brian debate whether men with high body counts who prefer low-count women are hypocrites. Alicia argues it's hypocritical; Andrew argues preferences are not the same as moral condemnation. Height vs body count comparison. Alicia reveals body count of 32.

Women in Male-Dominated Fields / Gender Roles Debate

Discussion about women working in construction, applied engineering, oil rigs. Brian challenges guest to a roofing competition for $1,000. Nature vs nurture in career choices. Andrew debates with Lucy and others about women's choices vs. societal barriers.

Self-Ratings Round

Guests rate themselves on a scale of 1-10: Lucy 7, Mizy 7.5, Ruby 4-5, Mandy 8, Alicia 8-9, Naomi 9, Riley 10/6 (varies by day). Andrew rates himself 10. Brian rates himself 5.

Will You Be Better Looking in 10/20/99 Years?

Brian asks if each guest will be better looking in 10 and 20 years. Alicia controversially claims she'll be hotter at 99, leading to extended philosophical debate. Andrew uses empty beer cup as analogy for the soul/body question.

Mandy's Syphilis Story

Brian asks Mandy about her sex addiction as a teenager. She reveals she contracted stage-2 syphilis at ~17 from a party guy she suspects was bisexual. Her current boyfriend noticed red spots on her back and made her go to the doctor. Both were treated with large injections. Very emotional segment.

Kenna's OnlyFans & Sex Addiction Discussion

Kenna's pre-show notes read aloud: calls herself emotionally unstable nymphomaniac. Had a 'ho phase' at 17 — sleeping with ~10-15 men in a month (every other day off dating apps). Total body count 19. Her friend Ruby discusses whether to start OnlyFans. Mizy ends up crying about pressure.

Body Count Round Table

Full panel body counts: Alicia 32, Lucy ~25 (stopped counting), Mizy 7.5 (self-rating shown here was a different number), Ruby 10-12, Mandy ~40 (uncertain), Kenna 19, Naomi ~50 (lost V at 13-14), Riley 5, Andrew 1 (disputed/joked). Naomi started OF on 18th birthday.

Dating Standards & Faking Virtue

Andrew introduces concept of 'faking virtue' — women who would sleep with a guy immediately but make another wait because they think he prefers virtuous women. Lucy debates this. Panel discusses men who lie about wanting relationships to get sex. Brian gives reverse example.

Trans Disclosure Debate

Andrew debates whether trans people are obligated to disclose before sex. Uses mask analogy/hypothetical. Panel mostly agrees disclosure should be required. Brian discusses risks of being labeled bigot for heterosexual preferences.

Race & Africa Discussion

Alicia and Andrew get into heated exchange about Black history and racism. Alicia struggles to name continents and African countries (confuses Cape Cod with Cape Town). Andrew discusses South African white farmers. Chat reacts with TTS messages about crime statistics.

Feminist Debate / Women's Equal Rights

Brian reads pre-show survey results: do women have equal rights to men in the US? Mixed answers — Lucy: maybe; Mizy: yes; Ruby: yes; Mandy: no; Kenna: yes; Alicia: no; Naomi: no; Riley: no. Andrew argues women do have equal rights. Alicia cites abortion; Andrew: men can't have abortions either.

Makeup Removal & Wig Reveal

Donors pay guests to remove makeup. Most guests take off makeup and look notably younger. Alicia refuses initially (claims Barbie identity), eventually takes off wig revealing natural hair. Lucy also takes off lashes. Chat reacts that makeup was 'doing heavy lifting.' Kenna's transformation is dramatic.

Whether to Quit OnlyFans

Brian asks the younger girls if they'll quit OnlyFans. Kenna says when she's old. Naomi says after she graduates vet school. Riley says same. Brian expresses concern about the path they're on.

Transcript

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Mizyso he goes I'm not wanting any wives to have your own TV show yeah cuz you're not going to just get seven boys you're going to have to have like yeah yeah going to be like 20 kids

Andrew Wilsonin all your wives I think I would watch this show they don't do [ __ ] is that is that good or no you don't like that no one get one just one just one okay all

Brian Atlasright just one anybody here any just so I can move it on I want to move it on one thing one thing why should I get married okay okay my mother

Mandymy my point is maybe this isn't for you Brian but for me the one of the only reasons I want to even actually get married is just to have the celebration so like

Mandyeven hear me out hear me out hear me out hear me out hear me out the ceremony is a celebration of love now I don't think I'm going to tie myself to the state I'm going to have a ceremony of Love w I'm

Mandynot going to have like a real wedding I don't think but I'm just saying I think it's cute to have like a little cere I ask you a question but that's me that's me cuz I'm a woman if you just do the little ceremony the I love you I love

Andrew Wilsonyou baby here's a ceremony right but hang on but but hang on there's no Sacrament there's no church behind it no not okay got it there's no Sacrament there's no church behind it there's no State behind it who

Mandydeclares you're divorced me it's basically we're still girlfriend and boyfriend but we're not technically legally it's not marriage but we could have a ceremony yeah but

Mandyyou you're really good boyfriend but that's that's me I'm telling you that's my thing I'm not saying Brian should do that for himself okay I'm just but did you remember

Brian Atlasthat's my reason marri repeat the question back to me what was the question why do we think you should get married or men in general you think men care about [ __ ] the oh yeah that sounds like why women

Mandymy boyf doesn't give a [ __ ] he doesn't even he doesn't even really want to get married he would he's only going to do it because of me actually he might not I don't know

Mandywean hang on help us out here help us out here why should Brian or men get married I don't think Brian should get married I think Bri should get married if he wants to he cannot get married if

Mizyhe wants to can I give a really a little real answer not the Mormon [ __ ] okay so I think you should get married because I think you have someone to take care of you to listen to you someone that can

Mizycook for you can clean for you someone that can hold your hand when you're down someone that can wipe your tears when you s someone that can be your biggest team player and cheer you up and hype you up every single day don't need marriage friends why do you need

Mizymarriage for any of dud pull up this clip in 10 years and still single wom a commitment so they want to stay to you and give you all those things but wait you can give a woman a commitment to stay to give you all those things

Andrew Wilsonwithout marrying her and I boyfriend so so let me ask you then what is the enforcement mechanism

Andrew Wilsonin which is going to keep this relationship together right when Brian says wait a second we can have all those things absent marriage you say no we

Andrew Wilsoncan't because why because I mean I'm not Brian but I was just trying to I was but any man let's just say it's any man forget Brian for a second any man on planet Earth we go through all your

Andrew Wilsonqualia there right and they go but we already have all that why do we need to get married your response is because well I'm Christian so I have a different thing I was trying to come up

Mizywith Brian's like idea yeah from a but from a secular perspective right non-Christian perspective what like what is it I mean I just think monogamy like I promote monogamy but you can be monogamous

Mizywithout being married yeah but I just think it helps want to stay like more loyal for whatever reason I don't know I just I'm that's not always true it's not

Brian Atlastrue but like h% of true it's true it's true so isn't there actually when it comes to the divorce laws that exist in this country isn't there actually like let's say I'm

Brian Atlasthe bread winner I'm the high income earner and she's like stayathome wife whatever taking care of the kids we've been married for 10 years doesn't like as the marriage progresses isn't there

Brian Atlaslike a continually cascading and developing incentive for her to end the marriage when it comes to finances right so if my like ultimate goal in a

Brian Atlasrelationship is to ensure that she stays with me wouldn't the like ultimate Dynamic be if you leave me you get

Brian Atlasnothing but all of a sudden if you leave me and you get hundreds of thousands of dollars millions of dollars that kind of

Brian Atlasstarts seeming really really nice for the woman prup Someone Like You needs anyway that's not 100% but wait hang on is a prenup Christian I don't know I'm

Andrew Wilsonjust trying to help Bri but let's just let's let assum let's even assume for a second it is let's even assume for a second it is okay here's the second

Andrew Wilsonissue you got with this is marriage from a Christian perview about the sacrament or about some contract I mean is this like the sacrament yeah it's about the sacrament

Andrew Wilsonyeah so right in the mic real quick let me ask you a question if it's about the sacrament and you're a Christian mhm right if you don't belong to a church which I'm guessing you don't just gu

Andrew Wilsonit's just a guess am I right or do you belong to a church I've belonged to a church okay is it a Protestant Church non-denominational yeah I've thought so okay so you don't belong to a church but

Mizyanyway oh they have non denominate Assembly of God that's a church sure sure so let me ask you this you get a Sacrament done by this non-denominational church let's say with

Andrew WilsonBrian but Bri not Christian but let's just say he was okay who gets to end it what do you mean so the state's not involved there's no state now you just

Andrew Wilsondid it in a religious sense okay no State how do you dissolve that marriage I don't know I'm I've never been married but if you were you don't

Andrew Wilsonknow you I don't I don't know well there's no mechanism to do it in a non- denominational Church there's like there's zero mechanism so how would you you even do the Christian portion of the marriage

Andrew Wilsonabsent the state how could you even do it you go to God and be like we broken up who goes to God I got so you go to God she goes to God and says we broke up he goes to God and says no the [ __ ] we

Brian Atlasdidn't who's right I don't know this whole well it's I'm like a little lost right this got turned into like a I just because we have a lot to get through I don't want let's try not to uh like

Brian AtlasLinger on any one thing for too long but um last question on the marriage thing do you think if a woman there's no abuse

Brian Atlasin the relationship treats the kids well treats you well no no abuse no physical abuse no emotional abuse nothing like that but you're just vaguely unhappy is

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythat enough justification for divorce you're you're not happy no stick together if you got kids stick together what if you don't if you don't and I think that that's I think I think if you're not in love with a

Mizyperson it's unfair to them to stay with with them okay so vaguely unhappy with no kids it's fine yeah okay no I think that when you commit to someone you're committing to working on the

Mizyrelationship and people have times where they're not connected and they're not happy but you have to continue to put in the work I think you can keep on trying to put in the work and go to coup's

Lucy / Ruby / Rileytherapy and things like that but my parents with my background of them being divorced in middle school and having four siblings so overall five children I

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyfeel like I would want to leave in it so I support the leaving okay next um all right you already had 20

Kennaseconds to think about I'm sorry oh yeah I think it's okay for the lady to leave leaving leaving I wouldn't sacrifice my

Brian Atlasmental health for just a family uh yeah men will sacrifice their happiness for their family women will sacrifice their family for their happiness that I do have to move it on though uh how tall

Brian Atlasare you and what's both the minimum and ideal height of a man you would date I'm 5'8 minimum 5'8 ideal like 6 foot I'm

Lucy / Ruby / Riley5'1 ideal would be 5'7 to 6 feet okay I'm 5 minimum would be 55 and

Mandyum ideal would be 58 okay I'm 55 uh minimum would be probably like 53 to like

Kenna62 ideal um ideal is like I don't know 59 to 62 uh I'm 5 foot um my minimum is just anything taller than me and then my

Alicia Barbieideal is like 6 foot I'm 55 and my minimum is 55 and my ideal is 510 I thought you dated all these guys you're 5'2 I don't so isn't

Alicia Barbiethat your minimum is 52 go ahead go ahead go ahead um I'm 53 and my ideal is 6 foot and I only go date dude six foot

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyand above mhm what about you I'm 51 um I just like anybody that's five five and above I don't really care uh would you

Brian Atlasrather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest neither no I actually I put neither on the thing you got to pick one

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythough well it just [ __ ] bear the bear yeah just say the bear a man the

Lucy / Ruby / Rileybear the man the man the man the bear the man so wait just just bear did you say bear and then I think

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyyou're all right uh why do you why do you pick bear why don't you pick men cuz you never know what to expect from a man but you know what to expect from a bear

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyokay all duck in the bushes and hide they can smell you girl I'll like do the technique where you lay flat on the floor well the the idea here is like you

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyare crossing paths so they're they're aware of your presence still bear I just immediately fall to the C she just suum just pretend to

Brian Atlasbe um okay why do you why do you pick bear I feel like it is more predictable than okay like they said more predictable and so basically if I

Brian Atlasunderstand it correctly your guys's fear or concern here when it comes to the man is like the bear could murder you the man could murder you the man could also essay you is that pretty much your positions or torture you okay so just uh

Brian Atlaswhat percentage of men do you think would be inclined to essay you basically I mean that's the argument oh God I have no idea I hopefully not a lot but you can

Lucy / Ruby / Rileynever know that's the thing I mean there are statistics out there but I wouldn't have a good guesstimate good

Andrew Wilsonguesstimation either hopefully not over 50 if you had to if a metor was going to hit the planet tomorrow and blow

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyeverybody to hell if you didn't guess this what would your guess be can we put up the mathematics um effect can can you guess for me okay I'm

Alicia Barbiegoing to say the world depends on it just throw out a number 50 50% okay I would say like yeah 50% okay

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyum do you have anything percentage no if the world depended on it the media if the world depended on it I'd probably say it's a 50/50 chance

Andrew Wilson50/50 okay um I wouldn't like for that to be the case but you're adopted right yes I don't

Brian Atlasknow if this question is going to hit quite the same um you have male siblings mhm Brothers yeah multiple Brothers yeah how many brothers I have four brothers four brothers so 50% of them are essers

Brian Atlasno oh but you said it would like the risk is that's not statistics work that is kind of well it would actually be in this case if you say 50% of all men but I said I wasn't sure about hang hang on

Andrew Wilsonbut but to refute the point if you say 50% of all men would do this then that's exactly how statistics work I guess I said that there's a 50-50 chance that any man would make the decision to do

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythat that would be 50% of all men I guess I don't think that all men are inherently people who would essay somebody but I think they G opportunity that would stand a reason if 50% wouldn't do it is is the opportunity

Andrew Wilsonjust like seeing a girl in the woods though like I what is the cont I I I don't have a great stance on this if I'm well the idea is just this you're teleported against your will and so is

Andrew Wilsonthis random man could be any random man on planet Earth or any random bear on planet Earth but you're teleported into the middle of a forest with this you

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyspawn right next to each other who do you take I just feel like me and the bear would be friends like you and the polar bear yeah girl it's not Yogi Bear girl

Andrew Wilsonthat's my opinion but there's also there's also the idea here too I wonder if this would change the answer for you or for you you do realize that there is the chance that you could spawn in the

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyforest with a multi-millionaire who's extremely handsome right does that change your answer at all well multimillionaires are um Diddy

Andrew Wilsonright um some yeah some that's true I think some is just not not small enough me to just so you know almost almost 10% of the United States population are

Andrew Wilsonmillionaires I just think it's too small and 33% of that I believe is women about 33% are millionaires M rest or men okay but

Andrew Wilsonit varies across an a huge wide array of age spectrums mostly because retirement accounts IRAs things like this they end up kind of acre about a million dollars

Andrew Wilsonworth of assets right so the thing is like you could spawn with one of them you could spawn with a multimillion you could spawn with a [ __ ] NBA

Andrew Wilsonplayer who's super handsome and has millions you could spawn with that I just I'm not that's okay all right uh we're going to get

Brian Atlasinto the uh rest of the questionnaire then uh let's see um do the the question is do transgender

Brian Atlasindividuals have a duty to disclose to romantic Partners Lucy you were a maybe on that one I feel like it depends if they've had bottom surgery and they're

Brian Atlasgoing to be intimate with each other uh McKenna you said no to this one L Barbie you're in the middle MH and then Riley you are you in the

Brian Atlasmiddle on this one wait what was the question against all right I'm just going to never mind not paying attention you don't get to uh participate on this one um so it depends if they have bottom

Lucy / Ruby / Rileysurgery for you I mean I don't know I'm not I haven't been in that situation so I wouldn't really know what to do I feel like most most people who are trans do generally disclose that information because there's that whole thing about

Lucy / Ruby / Rileylike feeling a lot of men like specifically if it's a trans woman men sometimes feel like they're being like misled well they what do you mean they feel like or guess are they not being

Kennamisled uh no I don't think so I don't think Makena your position on this you said no yeah I mean I think it doesn't really matter and doesn't doesn't really matter I feel like you'd be able to tell

Kennalike once you get all the clothes off seriously yeah I mean like they'd figure out what if you couldn't or you were drunk if you couldn't then why does it matter yeah I mean do you think this is

Brian Atlasa safe thing for trans women to do just like go get with like random to pursue not tell anyone to pursue a sexual encounter and just let the guy

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyfeel your I mean she's a woman she's a woman like well that's actually a really good point to bring up because I feel like there has been a lot of violence against trans women specifically because they didn't disclose it so it's like it's almost like maybe you should to

Brian Atlaslet's put aside the safety risks to the transgender woman isn't it just kind of like the courteous thing to do for the man that's why I said it depends right but you

Andrew Wilsonlet's say you were at a bar and there was a really goodlooking dude really goodlooking and you know he had All the Right Moves and you went home with him

Andrew Wilsonokay you slept together then right after you had sex he did a Scooby-Doo and he pulled off a mask right and underneath was a Wharton fested 50-year-old and he

Lucy / Ruby / Rileywas like haha [ __ ] what hang on I just want to make sure he shouldn't have disclose that well what situation would that ever happen tell they

Andrew Wilsondon't whether or not you think it would ever happen or not I just want to ask again he shouldn't have disclosed that can you give him more real you stop for

Andrew Wilsona second he shouldn't have disclosed that that he was an old woman pulls off the mask warts everywhere ugly as Sin he's missing most of his teeth okay the

Lucy / Ruby / Rileywhole that point I just say well already happened boy bye so he should so he shouldn't have disclosed that I would have rather not known I would have rather less I know the better like I said earlier but if he had disclosed

Andrew Wilsonthat before you had gone home with him would you have gone home with him keep the socks on so it's not good mask I want you to engage with the actual question I asked I know but the actual question is he had engaged

Andrew Wilsonwith you and showed you his true self beforehand and you wouldn't have gone home with him which you wouldn't right should he have done that then no I don't

Andrew Wilsonget it so then the idea here is just this if you say it doesn't matter if a trans person discloses or not in this case you say okay well [ __ ] if they pulled the mask off that would be awful

Andrew WilsonI ask you okay if they would have disclosed that before would you have gone home with them the answer is no I just want to know what trans people you know that we're super realistic masks instead of getting like Sur thank you cuz that was not a great analogy when

Andrew Wilsonyou came up with the transition it's really hard to stop stop it's not an analogy it's a hypothetical but that's not a hypothetical is designed to test your logic so look let's make it super easy just realistic let's make it super

Andrew Wilsoneasy it doesn't have to be realistic to test your in fact it shouldn't be realistic to test your logic so here's the thing right all I'm doing is making a comparison between something which

Andrew Wilsonwould be similar in instance not in fact so it's like this okay if you saw a guy who you were totally in every way

Andrew Wilsonunattracted to would you go home with them yes if for some reason you saw this person as being super attractive because you were under the influence of drugs

Andrew Wilsonand he didn't know or he was wearing a mask or there was some other compelling reason why you didn't know that he was actually unattractive right and he went home with him

Andrew Wilsonanyway right and it was masked from you in some way in this case he was wearing a literal [ __ ] mask a literal mask you peel the mask back and he's an ugly [ __ ] right don't you think he should

Andrew Wilsonhave disclosed that without tricking you no I have a question wait I just want to make sure then so so if a man can Gussy himself up in a way hide everything from you and then sleep with you right you're

Alicia Barbietotally okay with that you're talking about transgender transgender people and a person with a literal mask on that those your hypothetical sense does not make sense to

Alicia Barbiemy still it's a mask a transgender person they alternated their body to become a certain person yeah it's called a mask yeah but that they're not ripping

Andrew Wilsonit off uh no well here's the thing the second you find out that they're not that thing they are ripping it off okay so you're talking about look at them any differently yeah you wouldn't look at

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythem any differ entire sorry Lord have mercy I have a question like if a woman hadn't like you slept with this woman she's beautiful like the most stunning woman you ever met and then you found out that she had had a bunch of facial and body surgery would you feel like she

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyshould have told you that she had facial and body surgery thank you thank you wait so then why if she was super ugly before like hideous back up back up so then that so

Andrew Wilsonthat that's a permanent change so didn't I'm totally willing to engage yeah okay so I love the gotcha it's not I just

Andrew Wilsonwant to I just want you to have a watcha as I destroy your gotcha so it's very so it's very simple my wicked witch very simple it works it works like this you should do something about that blemish

Andrew Wilsonother way you would look so witchy you wouldn't look so witchy but anyway that was just mean hey you've been mean but no I haven't I actually been so nice to you you were mocking him you were mocking I was mocking myself cuz you

Andrew Wilsoncalled me a witch I went yeah so anyway the there's a distinct difference here here's the difference difference right you say um well what about the altercations which have happened this

Andrew Wilsontype of thing right if you had known that this woman had been altered would would it change your decision the answer is no right the question becomes if you had known this woman was altered and it

Andrew Wilsonwould change your decision that's the question so if you knew that this person was a male and you thought it was a female and slept with

Mizyit if you had known that it wasn't would it change your opinion no no it wouldn't for you I mean I have a lot of I have trans friends or transgender friends who

Mizyliterally they think it it's super important to disclose like most of them it's necessary like they think they think it's wrong when people don't cuz I wouldn't want to be someone who doesn't

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyaccept make sure get this disclose that in my opin that if you wouldn't feel in any way tricked no okay they are who they are if they say if they say that they're a woman they're a woman should they disclose if they have

Andrew WilsonHIV cuz you're not going to get you're not going to get an STD from someone just because they're trans you might not get HIV from them just because they have HIV is that yeah they can be corre and stuff a man with HIV can come all up in

Andrew Wilsonyou and it doesn't mean you're going to get completely different situation well wait a second cuz that affects you actually how does it affect you SLE affect you how you may not get the disease you may not even get it what what would be be the negative effect of sleeping with someone who's trans and

Andrew Wilsonyou didn't know what would be the negative effect not only feeling tricked right but mortified horrified it could give you Suicidal Thoughts could give you Suicidal Tendencies make you question all sorts of things what would be the

Andrew Wilsonnegative effect of sleeping with a man with HIV if he didn't get it the scare that wasn't really a Goa donated 200 but if you didn't get it then I

TTS Readerwouldn't be mad about it% of men would do a say most would help you because you could also help them out along the way way sometime you need a direct approach others you need

Brian Atlasfinesse men are not the enemy yeah I agree I men are not the enemy ABS I do appreciate the TTS W's in the chat for Ridge really appreciate it man thank you

Brian Atlasso much for the TTS uh you did say though on this topic that uh if they transition that this is

Brian Atlasuh like they should not it's they should not disclose if they've transitioned if they've had bottom you said something about bottom surgery I mean like I mean

Lucy / Ruby / Rileylike if if you L if there's no way of telling I don't really see the harm if you're going to sleep with this person one time and never again like I don't really see the harm but if it's like it's a if it's a beautiful woman on the outside maybe she still has her penis okay so how about this then then maybe

Brian Atlasyou should disclose that sure so let me ask you this um I would I actually think that uh there would be if they've had bottom surgery and you

Brian Atlasdon't disclose here's the difference if they have a penis and the guy is straight that guy is going to back out of the sexual encounter immediately

Brian Atlasabsolutely ah but if they've got in the bottom surgery and it's I mean my understanding of it hold on hold on calm down I'm calm chill out got to let

Brian Atlaspeople finish their arguments May you're the one who has steam coming out of your ears not me chill out okay so if they have the bottom surgery right uh it's

Brian Atlasconceivable this could trick a man right I personally think that there's that's not [ __ ] like that's not

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyit's it's [ __ ] but like inside of you but that's just genetics everybody the [ __ ] literally is the inside or the outside inv version of a vagina totally different no no it's totally different

Brian Atlasanatomy chart so just to be clear just to be clear you you think that like it's it's not exactly inverted when when a a transgender woman has had the bottom surgery you think yeah you can roll your

Brian Atlaseyes I'm just asking question tired of this yeah cool so you think it is like nearly identical to vagina I think that's the whole point of the

Lucy / Ruby / Rileysurgery it looks the same men will [ __ ] a pocket [ __ ] but not not an engineered vagina men will [ __ ] AI dolls but not a vagina men will [ __ ] anything oh but the second that that this person used to be maybe was born a man all of a sudden

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyit's a problem I just don't get that what it's also a preference argument essentially just like preferences I literally said that they should disclose it probably for their safety and you're exactly saying why it's because men will

Brian Atlasfeel tricked and then they might result in doing so but a lot ofat men are on DL what do you want me to say from this want say yes they should always tell absent physical threat to the transgend

Brian Atlasit's still wrong you're doing a wrong to the other person what we were talking like what we were talking about earlier the misleading yes it would be misleading then you're then absolutely you're right

Brian Atlasthey should always disclose that they are trans before engaging in a sexual activity glad I could convince I'm so glad that we got there I'm glad that we could convince you on that yeah you should definitely disclose one for the

Brian Atlassafety component and two to just be a courteous decent human being who doesn't trick people trick men who are straight into having sex with a

Lucy / Ruby / Rileymale but what but what but what I just I I feel like how often does that happen have you ever been tricked no I

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyhaven't there we go okay but why I so then why is it such an issue for you if it's never even happened to you I know have you ever had an abortion no oh why is abortion an issue for you it's what oh are you pro-choice or pro life I'm

Brian Atlaspro choice because I think you never had abortion so you can't have an opinion on this that's no that logic that logic makes no sense literally your argument that's literally your argument it never it never happened to you Brian so you

Alicia Barbiecan't I conc you're correct how about we're just having a conversation it's not a conversation because you're getting mad at me I'm not getting mad at you you're just being ridiculous okay how I being I literally agreed with you how a lot of straight men are on the DL

Alicia Barbiedo you know what DL is so they're gay yes yeah they're not straight then but they're they're they're but they're exploring and sometimes some men They Don't Really Care straight men well no

Brian Atlasthey're not straight but like they're if if they're so what makes them not straight if they are just they considered bisexual yeah you're either by or gay like I'm sorry if you're if you're a straight guy and you're

Alicia Barbiethinking about sucking [ __ ] you're either gay or bisexual Fair like I don't I don't know how else to like but the thing about it is is like the reason why and I'm the reason why I

Alicia Barbiesaid maybe is because like one I'm not a trans female so Lucy is not a trans female so we can't vouch for transgender people we can't be like okay well you should you know disclose this cuz it's

Brian Atlasnot our chice you guys would dat a trans men because it's our choice we if I decide to no but but you can have an opinion about it because you as women could encounter scenario arguing can you stop interrupting and just let me finish

Brian Atlasthe sentence you guys as women could encounter a trans man do you want kids you want kids they didn't disclose let's say they're 100% passing cool you can't have kids you can't have biological kids

Alicia Barbiewith your spouse okay but you could still adopt huh you could still adopt like there's right but maybe like or there's way or maybe you want to date like somebody who was born male or maybe

Alicia Barbieyou just want to date whoever you want to date that I don't have a pro if you want to date a trans person that's totally fine yeah but and and if it's there but maybe there are women out there that don't but it's their choice

Alicia Barbieit's it's it's I can't we can't decide like we can't decide what if that trans person should disclose the the information that they're transgender like

Alicia Barbielike Lucy said but like Lucy said if they didn't get bottom surgery then that isn't understandable that's to a certain extent I would agree I don't care either way you should disclose whether you've had bottom surgery or not

Brian AtlasI think it just really depends I think it's you are you are you are you saying this on TI of safety are you well that's one reason but I think it's just like a courtesy to the other person but I think it would be a bigger deal that you

Brian Atlasshould disclose after you've had bottom surgery because then you could really like like okay you've totally you look like a chick but but you've you've got a [ __ ] I'll find out you have a [ __ ] and

Brian AtlasI've been deceived up until that point in which point I can extract myself from the sexual encounter if you have a [ __ ] and you're not disclosing you've just

Brian Atlasforced me to be a homosexual basically you forced me to be gay no yes you literally well technically that person didn't consent to that so because they didn't know I mean so then what we're

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythe point we're trying to just make is that they should disclose yeah yeah like you should because because we I think the only reason that we might feel that way is because we wouldn't care either way but it turns out a lot of people do yeah

Mandywell personally I wouldn't care but I I would want someone to disclose it to me yeah you know well then you'd still care you said you person no I mean I don't care about the gender of the person I don't care if they're trans or

Brian Atlasnot but you want them to disclose that to you so you still care yes because that's called honesty spend too much time on one topic yeah yeah we're moving on um okay no next one is it straight

Brian Atlasfor a man to date a transgender woman Lucy you said yes uh let's see L you said

Brian Atlasyes and that's it okay um perhaps this relates to the previous one um just so why is it straight for a man to date a transgender woman because they're a

Mizywoman okay uh what is a woman presenting female going around the table on this I guess what is a woman uh a woman is born

Mizya woman I don't know cisgendered woman cisgendered woman I don't know presents as woman a human

Alicia Barbiefemale someone with a vagina presents as a woman a female that can procreate create life

Brian Atlassure um same as she said okay um is a transgender I'm just going to go ahead I don't actually believe this but just for the sake of the conversation I'm going

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyto go ahead and Grant that a transgender woman is a woman is a transgender woman female Lucy starting with you I guess biologically no but if it's if it's all

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyin the brain which is what's controlling these meat sacks then I feel like yes meat sacks that's what our bodies are dude we're all we're all just we're all just Noggin we just happen to be given the Avatar that we're given if you

Lucy / Ruby / Rileybelieve like I don't know if God doesn't make mistakes then why would trans people even exist in the first place like I'm not making a religious argument I'm making a secular argum okay then I'm just going to shut up okay so is a

Lucy / Ruby / Rileytransgender woman female I said not biologically but mentally yes you can't mentally change your sex they're born they're born female even if they're born in the wrong body

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyso the wait hold on the soul fairies stuffing the wrong Souls the wrong body yeah maybe okay so I can't even begin to explain what that experience is like because I am not trans doesn't well well how do you know Brian's not

Lucy / Ruby / Rileytrans because Brian isn't trans because Brian hasn't been you didn't ask me my pronouns now come to think of it you didn't ask to me my pronouns just assumed everybody's gender

Brian Atlasnondisclosing prior to carnal knowledge is GRA you could actually make an argument for that it could be it could technically be uh essay but anyways um so uh I guess going around the table is

Brian Atlasa transgender woman female um biologically no but I do think a transwoman is a woman biolog really hold on I already I

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyjust gred it just to all right um exact same stance as her on that okay okay so biologically yeah biologically no

Lucy / Ruby / Rileymentally yes so not female well so her her STS mentally you can be female what's the difference between woman and female the sex you're born with versus

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythe sex that you present as okay but like how would you mentally be female I don't understand well if you believe G like like the way that you were talking about earlier about how like women and men have different wants and different beliefs and different like ways of

Brian Atlasthinking and different priorities if someone who is born biologically male thinks like a woman then they are a woman and if they want to be presenting as a woman what does that mean to think like a woman like how could you ever

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyknow because like because they enjoy expressing themselves as as a woman so they could be feminine but how wanting to be perceived as a woman wanting to be seen that way does mean what does it mean to think as a woman

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyversus think as a man like can you actually articulate what that even means I don't know what it's like to think as a man I mean I I I know that I've wanted to spend a day in a man's shoes I know that I've definitely questioned that before but I don't believe that I'm trans and some people have a really

Mandystrong belief of that trans uh can a transgender woman be female no not no no yes no no okay so going to you and you

Lucy / Ruby / Rileytwo were the ones who said that it's straight for a man to dat a transgender woman how would it be just how would it be straight if a straight man would be okay with the the fact that they are trans which means that they're not

Lucy / Ruby / Rileytransphobic then yes it's straight if they are not okay with it and if they don't want to describe it as straight then that's fine for them wait so someone won't have sex with a trans person they're transphobic no I I thought you said they were sorry I miss

Lucy / Ruby / RileyI actually heard that the same way okay yeah so okay um if you don't believe that a transwoman is a woman then you are transphobic so if you don't believe that dating a woman who is trans what if I don't believe it's is straight then

Andrew Wilsonthat's transphobic wait so hold on um if you don't believe in Christianity or Christ phobic sure but I I believe in Christianity christop phobe stop stop oppressing me

Brian Atlaschristophobia feel great I got a lot to get through so um got to move on okay so straight short would you agree short form sling for heterosexual yes yeah

Brian Atlassure okay so ignoring gender because we're talking about sex here and mind you heterosexuality homosexuality this points to the sex that you're traude not

Brian Atlasthe gender this is I'm not even this is the definition we could look it up uh sexual preference Etc so a male and a male engaging in sex is

Brian Atlasgay okay right a male a male and a female engaging in sex is straight okay so a

Brian Atlasman a male with a transgender woman who's a male that would then be straight how would that be because they're trans because they made the transition but it

Brian Atlaspoints to their sex you you already you did agree that a transgender woman is male correct no that's not what I said I said bi biologically they B but they CH

Brian Atlasbiologically yeah two having sex is not straight okay I mean I guess you could call it a queer relationship then no but you can't call it straight okay sure you can't call it

Lucy / Ruby / Rileystraight but maybe you'd call it queer it wouldn't be it wouldn't be homosexual it can't be straight I mean I I I've definitely seen straight people date G people straight they're Sor you that's

Alicia Barbieyour Definition reverse so like if my to my understanding you're like okay so 1 plus 1 equals two but 1 plus 1 plus one plus this

Alicia Barbienumber like this is what I'm this is how my my brain is looking 1 plus one plus one plus what those other numbers are and then would equal that ultimate number okay you're you're you're you're

Alicia Barbietelling her about this analogy gay like man with a man is equals hetero homosexual a man with a woman is

Alicia Barbieheterosexual but a man with a straight a hetero man with a transgender woman he's gay because yes he's gay he likes women

Alicia Barbiebut he likes women let me just ask you a simple question your best friend let's assume for a second he's a man okay he comes to you and he says Hey I just suck

Andrew Wilsonthis really hot woman's dick hang on I just want to make sure right he says I just suck this really hot chick's dick now is that guy

Andrew Wilsongay first and foremost I just want I just want to answer my question no okay so if you suck a woman's dick you're not gay I just want to make sure I got that right do you know there's

Andrew Wilsonlike can you just answer my question no okay and so so your best friend comes to you I just suck this hot woman's dick he's not gay no okay I have a coworker

Andrew Wilsonwho's INX and him and his wife AR most trans people are not in you don't know any interex person who's a female has a penis you don't know a single one what do you don't know a single I don't know what his genitals are and I

Brian Atlasdon't care here how about this how about this really simple how really simple so we'll go we'll just go ahead and Grant you interex fine they're straight the 99% of the other trans people who are not

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyinterex then that see I are you willing to concede that that would not be straight I feel like I have to otherwise I'm just going to be like you guys are just going to keep firing you well I do because I have my opinion on it and my opinion apparently is not right my

Andrew Wilsonopinion is that it's straight yeah we disagree with your so then why can't I just have my opinion you're not going to change my mind but I well that's weird though that so so that is weird why is that weird well if somebody says I have my opinion you can't change my mind but they admit that

Andrew Wilsonwhat they have is just an opinion they're actually should be saying my mind can be changed my opin your mind could be changed your mind can't be changed why why can your opinion not be changed it

Alicia Barbiecan I don't I don't know what the own was there it can I'm so confused yeah because you guys are saying you're you're over here and you're telling talking to Lucy and you're just like

Alicia Barbieokay well I'm trying to instill this type of logic into your brain so you can understand well there's only one type of logic I would disagree I that it could possibly there's multiple types of logic

Andrew Wilsonbut it's stra logic is universal but but this this aside let's assume for a second there's multiple types of logic I just want to I just want to make sure I got this right I I don't want we can just leave it right here we just leave

Andrew Wilsonit I want to talk about the transgender we can leave it right here here okay here it is if your friend told you he just sucked a chick's dick he's straight

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyyes yes okay well then that's it then that's it then that's it we'll just leave it there I'm hungry perfect uh is it I I'm

Brian Atlasjust it doesn't even make sense like you guys I just sucked my girlfriend's dead like what how how could you come to this conclusion I me she's pegging a guy with a seven in dildo like is that gay a gay

Andrew Wilsonguy but he's by but he's B they're straight they're in a straight relationship so he [ __ ] dudes I've met so wait so wait I just want to make sure this

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyguy [ __ ] dud that doesn't make her gay because she boyfriend [ __ ] D [ __ ] gay bisexual that's already been EST so hang on if you're bisexual half

Andrew Wilsonof you is straight and half of you is but there are wait wait half of you is straight and half of you is what what makes you buy what is the two gay so the

Alicia Barbiething is is like yeah the dick part makes him [ __ ] gay yeah but I've also but I've also and I'm not going to lie here and sit here and lie I've also been with straight men who like to get pegged

Alicia Barbiethey're not God my God that's not what they're talking about I'm just no I'm just I'm just trying to have you been with straight [ __ ] by D my question is my question to you is if a a straight man who likes to be pegged is he

Andrew Wilsonconsidered gay because he likes to be pegged that dude can we stick on to the [ __ ] you this conversation isn't getting I'll I'll I'll just bite the

Andrew Wilsonbullet right and say um that's gross but he's still a heterosexual he's not doing anything with a male but now let me ask

Andrew Wilsonyou the question in Reverse okay if a man is getting [ __ ] up the ass by his girlfriend's biological

Alicia Barbiepenis is he gay unless she got it changed right okay but I'll just we'll just end

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyit I'm that that conversation wore me the [ __ ] out I'm so sleepy now I was having so much fun earlier too I was laughing we were having a good

Andrew Wilsontime having really great time well well yeah I mean it's uncomfortable for you to have to confront the fact that you literally think a dude can [ __ ] dudes and they're not gay is it comfortable the fact that you guys think that you

Andrew Wilsoncan have this conversation when none of us are trans and none of us can actually speak on the if you were trans do you think that it would prevent me from speaking to you about this issue I think

Brian Atlasthat I want to literally walk out it look I I wish you'd follow the logic literally doesn't make any sense like you [ __ ] logic [ __ ] logic

Brian AtlasI'm so over this conversation can we move on please cuz we're not getting anywhere we're just getting we're both just getting angry no well I'm not angry he's red as a tomato I'm frustrated I'm frustrated because I'm constantly getting

Brian Atlasliterally you just [ __ ] did it well you're making no sense you're not making any [ __ ] sense interrupting stop interrupting it's very simple gave you instructions before the show that's just

Brian Atlasagree to disagree so another Interruption can you stop moving the cup please so look I I don't know else how

Brian Atlasto say it there's definitions to words male female right you can't change your sex two males engaged in a romantic or

Brian Atlassexual relationship it's homosexual a male and a female engaged in a romantic or sexual relationship heterosexual there's no getting around this my brain is

Lucy / Ruby / Rileymelting oh I'm sorry did I interrupt you again yeah you did can you stop being [ __ ] CAD about it can you stop can you stop we we clearly are not going to change our opinions on it you clearly not going to change your opinion can we just move on to a different topic here

Brian AtlasI'll tell you why It's upsetting because in the same way you would be very upset at me if there was like do you do you think gay conversion therapy is wrong yes absolutely yeah you're trying to co-opt my I don't want to change your opinion I want you to stop talking about

Brian Atlasit you got to stop [ __ ] interrupting holy [ __ ] I don't even like go on Long diet tribes I literally make my points in a few sentences just let me

Brian Atlas[ __ ] get a word out I'm

Brian Atlaslistening you are dictating to me what is heterosexuality by saying that no Brian this is what is within the purview of heterosexuality in the same way that you

Brian Atlaswould find it deeply offensive for us to say that gay people don't actually exist you're just confused I'm not confused about my sexuality you're dictating to me essentially that I am somehow if I

Brian Atlasdidn't date a transgender woman that that would somehow make me what well that's your preference where you be transp if he only did it because he didn't want to date a transfer if he he doesn't believe

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythat trans people or trans women are women then that is transphobic if he chooses not to date them that is not transphobic why is it transphobic to think that transgender women are not women why would that because you're disregarding their existence you think

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyyou think that they're Men actually I I would just bite the bullet you're right I disregard their existence okay so then we're not going to get anywhere but I don't believe does anybody else want to speak because I'm really tired of talking but what do you do about the

Andrew Wilsonfact that I don't think it's a phobia that instead I just objectively it's like saying that I'm I have a phobia against Santa Claus cuz I don't believe

Andrew WilsonSanta Claus exists am I Santa Claus phobic it's that's the same argument you're

Brian Atlasmaking I'm just tired I'm just TI can we switch the topic yeah sure but uh so uh how about this um I choose to identify

Brian Atlasas the correct person on this matter and I wish for you to affirm my identity as the correct person you are the correct person on this matter does that make you feel better can you do it without being

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyso condescending gend boosting your egoo okay I'm sorry great okay you're the correct person on this matter I'm really sorry that we had that argument thank you Lucy goosey I do appreciate that are

Andrew Wilsonwe still friends listen that's passive aggressive that's passive aggressive form of transphobia what's going on is she's still not really affirming your identity she doesn't believe you MH cuz

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyyou don't you don't believe me either you're not affirming my Identity On y I'll affirm your identity what's your identity a m my brain has just melted in the last 20 minutes I affirm that

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyidentity I affirm I iirm that identity total cooked cooked I'm cooked it was the pickle guys it was the [ __ ] pickle has the pickle juice you open one jar and you think you're man you I know

TTS Readerseriously dude what am I wrong uh hold on I we have a chat that came through then we'll try to blast through the questionnaire um uhoh uhoh Devon Jackson the nated one $0000 chair one you are

TTS Readerabsolutely in the top 10 most annoying humans on the planet feel free to leave since you want to act like a child go to

Brian Atlasbed want a cookie okay yeah you want a cookie congratulations uh yo what's up Devon good to see you in the chat man guys W's in the chat for Devon Jackson

Brian Atlasthank you for the message man appreciate it uh okay final thing on this topic 30 seconds and then we're going to move on hopefully this is to L and this is to you Riley you guys to question 18 you

Brian Atlassaid uh the question is is it wrong to refuse to date a transgender P person because they are trans uh now you actually say no on this so this is just for you l and you Riley you guys say yes

Alicia Barbieit is wrong to refuse to date a transgender person because they are trans I to be honest with you I think it's a little bit like I well obviously I know you're going to go on this topic

Alicia Barbieof well it's just somebody's preference or whatever but to me like I think in my emotional standpoint I think it's wrong

Alicia Barbieto refuse that because you're to me you're it's kind of like you're neglecting the fact that that she is you look at her as like a transgender woman so therefore your your like

Alicia Barbienarrow-minded ideology is like oh well she's a a man a man trapped inside trapped inside of a woman's body or whatever the case may be and I think

Andrew Wilsonit's a little bit discriminative in my opinion okay they it discriminatory very quickly is it discriminatory for a black man not to want to date a white woman I mean yes I feel like race hang

Alicia Barbieon hang on can you let her answer yeah I I I I believe that 100% I mean I'm sure I'm sure she's going to agree with me on this standpoint before

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyokay we get into it give us your take before we give our response okay so I feel like it's

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythis I guess I'm just going to say it's just disrespectful to disrespectful yeah it's already what to why because it's

Brian Atlaslike you're disregarding like I don't know never mind judging the book by cover barely talked all night just State your position

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyum because and then what you were saying about it's like wrong for like the Race part of it like the disregard I don't I'm getting this questionnaire was asked before Andrew said that yeah I didn't I didn't even

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyrealize you was moving to you and I was lowkey rushing on that one so I but what so what is your

Mandy (alt)position I I just feel like it's wrong that's why yeah but why I don't know I just think it is okay so is it wrong for you wrong

Brian Atlasanswer to that really quick for both of you I think it's wrong sure is it wrong for you guys to refuse to because you said minimum yearly income you said 70,000 you said what a mill how much she said a mill I said

Brian Atlas500,000 wait no she said 7 didn't you say she said 500 a million I said 500,000 okay half a mill 70,000 aren't you guys discriminatory and then when it comes to height you guys are also

Brian Atlasdiscriminatory but what was the question about the income what was the minimum income right which would indicate that you would discriminate against anybody below that threshold okay well then yeah I I

Alicia Barbieguess that's a I'm guess I'm discriminating what okay so then what's wrong with it so you're in the wrong for doing that well yeah of course I'm in the wrong for discriminating a man that it makes less than $500,000 are you in

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythe wrong for you have no preferences when it comes to dating I really date anybody I don't really have a preference you've never

Alicia Barbierejected anybody then every single guy I hav because I'm not looking for a relationship but I haven't rejected them because of them I haven't so oh but you give sexual access to every single man

Lucy / Ruby / Rileywho talks to you no why not because that's not me she has boundaries there's bound have bound like okay what are the boundaries I don't like to give my body

Andrew Wilsonout because that's something that's that's fair like I literally have five bodies at 18 H let's just say this someone with like if you had to sleep

Andrew Wilsonwith a guy for some reason right would you prefer that he be 6'2 and handsome or 5 foot2 and ugly

Brian Atlasum I I don't cuz Okay but so an L can you explain why it's wrong cuz to me sorry go ahead no

Alicia Barbieoh there was a really long pause so you you go ahead oh cuz to me like never mind I just I just oh my so to be honest with you I

Alicia Barbiethink regardless of the at the end of the day regardless of the situation we're all human beings no matter what no matter if you're transgender no matter if you're heterosexual whatever we're human beings I think we're also all

Alicia Barbieslogan ear what is that I don't I I we'll talk about that later we'll talk about that later um I think think it's

Alicia Barbiejust in my opinion it's it's wrong because you're sitting here and you're you are telling a transwoman well I mean obviously it's your preference if you prefer not to be

Alicia Barbiewith a transom that's that go ahead but if you are going to engage in a conversation with a trans woman and you like kick it oh holy [ __ ] yeah you have like a conversation with them and it's a really great amazing conversation right but you found out that they're trans and

Alicia Barbieyou're like okay I'm not going to date you because you're trans oh how about okay you're having a great conversation with a man and it turns out he's married what but that's he's has like a a marital status we're talking I'm

Alicia Barbietalking about a transgender woman who's a human being I'm talking about a transgender woman who's a human being aren't human beings so is a man how however however so then I'm obliged to date them because they're human they so

Brian Atlasyou're so you're basically telling me that like you're obliged to date a married man if I were to get no okay but that's the opposite what I'm saying you're not obliged to to date married

Brian Atlasman just like you're not obliged to date a trans your whole argument was well what if the TR you're having a really good conversation with this transgender woman and you thought she was beautiful

Brian Atlasand this is a great person and like if it wasn't for the penis you would probably marry this person and have kids with them but you find out they have a [ __ ] and then that's the disqualified

Brian Atlasyeah that's a valid is before after their bottom surgery doesn't matter well hold on you wouldn't wouldn't it be your position that a transgender woman is a woman even if she hasn't done any

Alicia Barbieexterior changes she's still a woman right she's still a woman if it's on her birth if it's on her birth certificate if it's said if it's on her birth certificate and she it says female it

Alicia Barbiehas that letter F then she is legally a female oh you can't legally change your you can't legally change your sex change your birth certificate you can change your gender you can change your driver's license okay cool I don't care I don't

Brian Atlascare what kind of woke [ __ ] the government is doing that doesn't change you guys are literally science deniers you cannot change your sex Point Blank period male or female end of story well

Alicia Barbiehow how are they Chang their sex gender reinfor what is that gender gender affirming surgery so you say you you agree that I'm a human you're a human yeah if I cut off your arm are you less of a human no how come I'm still a human

Alicia Barbieat the end of the day just means I have a little disability now that that my cut off if I cut off both your arms you're still a human well yes what about both your legs yes what about your torso too yes what if all that's left is a head

Andrew Wilsonstill a human cuz I still have what if that's my what if sorry what if you you lose all your arms your legs and your torso and all you have left is a head but no eyes no mouth no nose no ears are

Alicia Barbieyou still a human I mean if my brain is still working and I can like talk so a human is a brain a human a human is I mean a human this is flesh like we're

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