1 SHOW LEFT?! Andrew Wilson IRL vs. SUPER FEMINISTS! She Did 1 Guy PER DAY?! | Dating Talk #221

Date: 2024-12-16

Duration: 10h 06m

Guests

RRuby (Nashville)>

MMandy (NorCal)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Brian Atlas

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donation(audience)

SPEAKER_02Mandy(guest)

SPEAKER_03Kenna(guest)

SPEAKER_04Mizy(guest)

SPEAKER_05Lucy / Ruby / Riley(guest)

SPEAKER_06Alicia Barbie(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Other(audience)

SPEAKER_08TTS/Other(audience)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Naomi(guest)

SPEAKER_12TTS Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_13Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_14Mandy (alt)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroFull panel introductions: Lucy (21, LA, waitress), Mizy (29, Hollywood, streamer/Fish Tank), Ruby (20, Nashville, car dealership), Mandy (20, N.CA, unemployed), Kenna (19, Nashville, OnlyFans), Alicia Barbie (23, Chicago, social media), Naomi (18, SD, OF/vet school), Riley (18, SD, OF/psychology), Andrew Wilson (The Crucible host), Brian Atlas (35, Whatever host).

“hi my name is Lucy I'm 21 um I'm from LA and I work as a waitress”

QuoteMandy reveals she has a bisexual boyfriend she met on Grindr and that she pegs him. Andrew's reaction is comedic disbelief.

“so you went to grinder to try to pick up gay guys I was in a dark place okay Andrew”

ControversyAlicia argues that men with high body counts who prefer low body count women are hypocrites. Andrew systematically dismantles the hypocrisy argument, explaining it is a preference not a moral condemnation. Heated back-and-forth.

“do you guys think that that's uh problematic for high body count man to be like I only want to date a virgin”

Key MomentBrian bets $1,000 that he can beat Lucy at roofing two birdhouses tomorrow, challenging her claim that women face barriers in construction. Lucy accepts with conditions.

“if we're talking about like body count... I'll put 1,000 bucks down come in tomorrow”

RelationshipSelf-ratings round: Lucy 7, Mizy 7.5, Ruby 4-5, Mandy 8, Alicia 8-9, Naomi 9, Riley 10/6 (day-dependent), Andrew 10, Brian 5.

“ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10”

ControversyMandy tearfully reveals her teenage sex addiction: she contracted stage-2 syphilis at ~17 and unknowingly gave it to her current boyfriend. Very emotional moment; Lucy and Mandy both cry. Andrew makes dark quip about the strap-on.

“I I and I just [bleep] up my body I'm sorry it's okay”

QuoteLucy empathetically supports Mandy after syphilis revelation: 'you can be vulnerable about it on this with all these people you don't know... this is something that people don't talk about but probably a lot of people go through.'

“you're being vulnerable and that's super hard and like scary thank you thank you for sharing”

ControversyKenna's pre-show notes reveal she was on every dating app at age 17, sleeping with a different guy roughly every other day for about a month. Brian reads the notes aloud; Kenna confirms and gives details.

“no crazy stories other than when you were 17 you were on every dating app imaginable you were getting a different guy every day for about a month”

QuoteKenna reveals her total body count is 19, with 15 of those coming in a single month at age 17.

“my body counts only 19 so like after that like little phase I'm just like now I'm dating to Mary it's over”

Key MomentFull body count round: Alicia 32, Lucy ~25, Mizy did not disclose (7.5 mentioned in context of rating), Ruby 10-12, Mandy ~40, Kenna 19, Naomi ~50, Riley 5, Andrew claims 1 (crowd skeptical), Brian ~5.

“some of you already actually stated your body counts but why we just uh starting with you”

ControversyAndrew introduces 'faking virtue' concept: women who ordinarily would sleep with a guy quickly but make a different guy wait because they believe he values chastity — tailoring apparent virtue to what the man wants.

“I call this phenomenon faking virtue”

ControversyAndrew debates whether trans people are obligated to disclose their status before sex. Uses progressively more extreme hypotheticals (mask analogy). Panel and Brian discuss risks of heterosexual men being labeled bigots for not wanting to sleep with trans women.

“all I'm asking is that men who generally try to proposition women for sex get rejected”

ControversyAlicia and Andrew clash over race and Black history. Alicia struggles to name continents, confuses Cape Cod with Cape Town. Andrew discusses South African land reform and Black-on-Black crime comparisons. The exchange becomes heated before Brian moves on.

“are they are they making their mothers their they killed them get together”

OtherDonors pay guests to remove makeup and wigs. Most guests comply — transformation is notable (Kenna especially). Alicia initially refuses citing Barbie identity, eventually removes her wig. Chat roasts guests with makeup-related donations.

“Makenna do it no excuses play Like A Champion my eyebrows”

QuoteBrian announces Tuesday's final show of 2024: Andrew Wilson vs. a mystery guest. Teases it's 'going to be big.'

“we will be live again Tuesday at 5:00 PM Pacific for our final show final show of the Year Andrew will be there we have a big guest”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions & Champagne Pop

Brian introduces the panel; each guest gives name, age, location, occupation. Yellow Banana donor sends champagne pop for Andrew Wilson. Relationship statuses discussed round-table.

Relationship History & Unusual Dynamics

Mandy reveals she has a bisexual/gay boyfriend met on Grindr and pegs him. Kenna discusses recent breakup. Alicia admits to cheating in all relationships despite being married. Father relationship round discussed.

Body Count Hypocrisy Debate

Andrew and Brian debate whether men with high body counts who prefer low-count women are hypocrites. Alicia argues it's hypocritical; Andrew argues preferences are not the same as moral condemnation. Height vs body count comparison. Alicia reveals body count of 32.

Women in Male-Dominated Fields / Gender Roles Debate

Discussion about women working in construction, applied engineering, oil rigs. Brian challenges guest to a roofing competition for $1,000. Nature vs nurture in career choices. Andrew debates with Lucy and others about women's choices vs. societal barriers.

Self-Ratings Round

Guests rate themselves on a scale of 1-10: Lucy 7, Mizy 7.5, Ruby 4-5, Mandy 8, Alicia 8-9, Naomi 9, Riley 10/6 (varies by day). Andrew rates himself 10. Brian rates himself 5.

Will You Be Better Looking in 10/20/99 Years?

Brian asks if each guest will be better looking in 10 and 20 years. Alicia controversially claims she'll be hotter at 99, leading to extended philosophical debate. Andrew uses empty beer cup as analogy for the soul/body question.

Mandy's Syphilis Story

Brian asks Mandy about her sex addiction as a teenager. She reveals she contracted stage-2 syphilis at ~17 from a party guy she suspects was bisexual. Her current boyfriend noticed red spots on her back and made her go to the doctor. Both were treated with large injections. Very emotional segment.

Kenna's OnlyFans & Sex Addiction Discussion

Kenna's pre-show notes read aloud: calls herself emotionally unstable nymphomaniac. Had a 'ho phase' at 17 — sleeping with ~10-15 men in a month (every other day off dating apps). Total body count 19. Her friend Ruby discusses whether to start OnlyFans. Mizy ends up crying about pressure.

Body Count Round Table

Full panel body counts: Alicia 32, Lucy ~25 (stopped counting), Mizy 7.5 (self-rating shown here was a different number), Ruby 10-12, Mandy ~40 (uncertain), Kenna 19, Naomi ~50 (lost V at 13-14), Riley 5, Andrew 1 (disputed/joked). Naomi started OF on 18th birthday.

Dating Standards & Faking Virtue

Andrew introduces concept of 'faking virtue' — women who would sleep with a guy immediately but make another wait because they think he prefers virtuous women. Lucy debates this. Panel discusses men who lie about wanting relationships to get sex. Brian gives reverse example.

Trans Disclosure Debate

Andrew debates whether trans people are obligated to disclose before sex. Uses mask analogy/hypothetical. Panel mostly agrees disclosure should be required. Brian discusses risks of being labeled bigot for heterosexual preferences.

Race & Africa Discussion

Alicia and Andrew get into heated exchange about Black history and racism. Alicia struggles to name continents and African countries (confuses Cape Cod with Cape Town). Andrew discusses South African white farmers. Chat reacts with TTS messages about crime statistics.

Feminist Debate / Women's Equal Rights

Brian reads pre-show survey results: do women have equal rights to men in the US? Mixed answers — Lucy: maybe; Mizy: yes; Ruby: yes; Mandy: no; Kenna: yes; Alicia: no; Naomi: no; Riley: no. Andrew argues women do have equal rights. Alicia cites abortion; Andrew: men can't have abortions either.

Makeup Removal & Wig Reveal

Donors pay guests to remove makeup. Most guests take off makeup and look notably younger. Alicia refuses initially (claims Barbie identity), eventually takes off wig revealing natural hair. Lucy also takes off lashes. Chat reacts that makeup was 'doing heavy lifting.' Kenna's transformation is dramatic.

Whether to Quit OnlyFans

Brian asks the younger girls if they'll quit OnlyFans. Kenna says when she's old. Naomi says after she graduates vet school. Riley says same. Brian expresses concern about the path they're on.

Transcript

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Kennaup [ __ ] because I looked at him and I was like oh you're a [ __ ] liar you're a [ __ ] liar what the hell uh okay um

Brian Atlasand so you ripped but it's okay you were dating a guy and it wasn't going well you called your ex over to your house but you didn't

Brian Atlashook up with him but to talk to him and then the boyfriend broke up with you so you ripped up his social security card no okay this was before and it's cuz he

Kennapunched a hole in my door nice and like the back of the door and the mirror he break the mirror that's cool yeah that's awesome sounds like a good very not

Kennasounds like a pleasant man it was like a really toxic relationship it was me and like him yeah you were toxic yeah oh definitely how so I mean I ripped his social security card

Brian Atlasup like okay you don't exist anymore that's what I was thinking so you said that you honestly don't believe in love after your last relationship you love men so much and

Brian Atlaspersonally you can't live without them but you feel like 34s of the men are unloyal like look at Megan Fox and mg like if someone will cheat on Megan Fox a man will cheat on anyone Beyonce too

Mandyyes like how can you cheat on Megan Fox like come on I was about to say something I mean have you seen her recently though really is she like changed she look like a Kardash beon I

Brian Atlaswas about to say yeah I could cheat on Beyonce yeah for sure not that I would cheat but I could like you could pick happening that sounds so bad poor Beyonce H that sounds so bad

Mandythat's thinking yeah you're going to get can beyon please don't kill me um yeah but those those guys are like they're super high status guys I know

Kennalike I said that again I like added something I was like it's like has a lot to do with like the guys I date to like my age range cuz like I don't know I mean you're also [ __ ] crazy right I'm

Kennaokay just like a bit but like the thing is the guy like play the guy plays into it like from do you think that you being a [ __ ] lunatic plays in no kidding

Andrew Wilsonlike oh we're banging in the back you're banging in the front yeah I [ __ ] 30 guys in a no big like that's bad [ __ ] crazy stuff right but that was like it was her pH Andre it

Andrew Wilsonwas I'm not in that face anymore now you're in your loyal face you could say she was on a joury on a journey were you on a journey were you on she I am I'm still on it Adventure do you think

Kennasomeday Love Will Find you um I mean hopefully maybe one day but I think everyone in your life is temporary yeah so you would say right now you'd have to go your separate ways yeah I mean with

Mizywho well you know yeah okay I think like like a in a nice like I don't know this isn't going to sound nice but like saying that you know everyone in your life is temporary it

Mizysounds like you have unresolved trauma and like from your childhood and like what I mean to say is like everyone she probably does though I temporary in a way like like extra like you know as in like boyfriend girlfriends like you'll

Kennaalways have your parents but like I don't know cuz even' been watching my parents growing up like they definitely were not happy and like they could have been like in a way better relationship but it's just like I don't know you know

Alicia Barbiebut we don't have to follow in our you know parents footsteps we could be better you can't being better though she says she's in her loyal ER Journey so she's on a journey like everyone else okay uh let's see you also said like

Brian Atlaslike men of God you can't even trust them so many people claiming to be Christian subscribe to your only fans uh your ex who was Christian would only use you for sex he would F other girls when

Kennahe was out of town and he made you smoke before when you got sad so I would be in a better mood just to F yes it was crazy like one time I was like breaking down cuz like I didn't know what we were cuz like we were literally just [ __ ]

Kennaevery weekend when he came home from work and I was like well what are we are we like boyfriend girlfriend are we like exclusive and he was like I'm just like not talking about this hit this pen and then let's [ __ ] and I was like oh okay

Kennaand like that's how it was for like a long time it was just like getting hotels every weekend so but he was like actively telling me Oh I love you and this and that and I don't know okay you also said dating is so weird I just want

Brian Atlasto say I well this is what you said I just want to say I love you and get married but I refuse to date a man who makes less than me or who has no work ethic to make more money yeah M like you can make

Kennaless than me but if you're not like actively like working to you want get married like right now and start pumping out kids I don't mean I don't know if I want kids right now like that's the thing okay even though like it'll

Andrew Wilsondestroy my body when I'm 30 okay you I can't believe I'm saying this but I actually recommend that

Alicia Barbieyou that I that I never have kids okay ever ever not ever not ever not ever you're mature and you're blossom into a beautiful woman don't worry

Brian Atlasthank you thank you love thank youor she'll have her mom a you know what she oh

Brian Atlaswait you could have kids and find yourself a find yourself Chinese couple to adopt them what what do you

Brian Atlasmean I have no idea where I was going it made sense in my brain but wait you're are you Chinese or yeah I'm Chinese no she's via GR

Andrew Wilsonthem trying to confuse the white people no no no is this so does it just play over better on the only fans if you say you're Chinese instead of Vietnamese no like I'm actually I'm Chinese I

Andrew Wilsonpromise you I'm Chinese really wait are you Chinese yes so it's very strange though it's you're like you're vietn oh [ __ ] oh you're vietn oh [ __ ] wait wait

Andrew Wilsonwait wait hang on you're Vietnam oh [ __ ] oh so it sounds like it sounds like perhaps there a little bit of uh fibon going on no we were pranking an Uber

Kennadriver yesterday like I promise I'm from China yeah but that doesn't actually tell us if you're Vietnamese or not oh I mean I I guess I don't know 100% cuz like I'm adopted so my parents could

Kennaliterally be anyone unless I took like a DNA test to find out but like so why would you why would you say that you're Chinese just cuz cuz I'm I'm from China

Andrew WilsonI was born in China China exctly in China wait wait hang on let's pack up what do you want me to say well I want to well I just want to know the truth so she says

Andrew Wilsonyou're Vietnamese C catches hang on hang on she cut [ __ ] that was a joke holy [ __ ] Andrew Andrew I was joking not sure

Brian Atlasyou were all right anyways we'll move on uh we're going to get into you want her to cry my Vietnam best friend bully Ruby him feel uh okay Riley you said how this dude just got out of jail and how we

Brian Atlaswere in the can's parking lot and his mother mother called and said to bring back food but the whole time it was not his mother and it was actually his girlfriend on the phone and they were speaking Spanish and I don't know

Brian AtlasSpanish so he lied and translated what she was saying but whole time it was his girl on speaker phone and I bought food that he brought back to his

Naomigirl wait a minute this the greatest of all time wow baby I'm

Lucy / Ruby / Rileytaking and then she texted me and she was all like he's just my toy and we aren't even a thing and like it was so much oh my God and I met him from my old

Brian Atlascoworker can you spell a little bit more well before we do that he he just got out of

Brian Atlasjail so yeah he asked me to pay for out no I didn't but his homeboy did cuz he was also what was he in jail for I don't know

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyyou details details I don't know you don't know no murder no I don't know petty theft I don't know they want tell me was he was he gang affiliated maybe

Brian Atlasthat sounds like that um you also wrote how everyone I don't know if this is like disagreement or what how everyone sees only fans girls

Andrew Wilsonas easy or a 30 fo I mean are they [Laughter] wrong yes they are are they wrong with

Andrew Wilsonyou I mean what did you say that you just like that's cuz my manager wrote some of that oh that manager down oh my God good job get media managing

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyclearly yeah I feel like cuz I was in a group chat and everyone was like talking about like I'm a bob and I'm easy and I'm this and that because I do o but

Lucy / Ruby / Rileylike in reality I do it like solo to like I don't like just go [ __ ] anybody you know like I don't I have five bodies like I don't

Brian Atlasknow yeah feel like that's normal yeah you know what since it just came up why why don't we get into it um some of you already actually stated your body counts but why we just uh starting with you

Alicia Barbiebody count no you already you lit already told you already said it you already said it you can't remember can you no you can't remember what you said no I do

Alicia Barbieremember cuz I do keep a count what is it and it is 32 yep all right body count you you can go ahead and check out that last video just just say it come on I

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythink we said 25 I stopped counting wait you you think we said 2 I don't remember what the final number we landed on was last yeah um remember I showed it to

Lucy / Ruby / RileyMiss Miss Canada yeah so it's just men and women both yeah it was around 25 does the specifics matter yes it was

Mandy (alt)it's somewhere between 25 and 30 okay body at 10 10 I think like 12 okay I I don't know my body count range range

Mandythis is this is where it's hard because I had a list but there's more hang on hang on let's I'll try to make it super easy okay more than

Mandy60 for sure less no maybe Le probably less than 60 okay more than 50 no you know what I'm going to

Mandysay anyways I'm going to say it's probably like I I don't know it's probably around 40 somewhere around 40 could it be

Andrew Wilsonhigher than 40 it could be higher or it could be lower I literally have no idea okay so if it could be higher than 40 is it is it going to be higher than 46 what's up with that number yeah why 46 because if you offer a person to five

Mandythey'll always take it oh that makes sense I mean I don't know I I I don't know I feel like it would probably be

Andrew Wilsonless okay less probably less yeah okay so in the 40s somewhere probably yeah 30s or 40s probably

Mandyokay oh God I I hate this it's 19 19 okay like 50 something 50 something mhm

Andrew Wilsonwhat about you five five wait uh 50 yeah and you're eight 18 yeah see see if you offer someone a five they always take it

Alicia Barbiedouble it give it to the next person um and when did you lose the VC card like when I was like 13 or

Brian Atlas14 same I of the 50 bodies I know what you're look like that it's probably around same age for you was it no no I was like 16 okay of of the 50 would you

Brian Atlassay most of them came in the past like year um no no two years past two

Alicia Barbieyears so you did like 49 at 15 no no no no they came like like most of them came from um High School like my

Alicia Barbiehigh school era like I just was everybody at school and then everybody at school and After High School I just continued yeah 50

Lucy / Ruby / Rileypeople apparently not all 50 probably like 20 something just most of them yeah no

Mizysorry was I wasn't KN I wasn't to um damn things have changed like I feel like I'm that much older but my school

Mizyset with like two guys and they were like the canell like yeah so I'm like damn that's C two like yeah like one or two like people like oh my God she's a [ __ ] crazy and then like you know I feel

Mizylike the younger generation is just out here [ __ ] PR sure like it's crazy think I like what's your body count oh good question Andrew I has grown

Mandyage yes Andrew your body count why one of course one what's your body count can't TR us you can't us you [ __ ]

Mizystop all you [ __ ] brats are going to lie to me I can [ __ ] lie to all you no you can't I detector test I see it on your [ __ ] face can't even [ __ ] remember the number you told us last

Mizytime you can't remember the number you told us [ __ ] to two hours ago like just stop the co stop the co so one when you [ __ ] brat start telling the truth I'll start tell I was I was going to lie I'm not going to lie but I just had to

Mizydo a lie detector test on on like stream so that's like same question I was going to lie with they pulled they pull up the clip last podcast

TTS Reader[Music] volume04 donated $500 pop champagne Brian and Andrew whatever in Crucible teams wanted to say

Andrew Wilsonthank you for all of the content this year and all that you do Brian I appreciate your patience and your role modeling I don't know about Pati hey uh Merry Christmas to you too

Andrew Wilsonthank you for the sh campaign pop and yeah it has been great seeing The Crucible crew and the whatever kind of tangle up it's always it's always a fun time for both both chats I think so uh

Brian AtlasNico thank you so much man for the very generous champagne pop do appreciate it and uh appreciate your kind words guys

Brian AtlasW's in the chat for Nico uh wait that's W's in the chat for our good friend Nico really good to see you in the chat man I

Brian Atlasalso would like to wish you a merry Christmas as well uh we're going to get this popped in just a moment 50 you

Alicia Barbiesay 50 you say she says give me some more all [Music]

Alicia Barbie[Laughter] [Music] right hell yeah well good song

Brian AtlasI like that um you guys still want some champag these are theirs yeah we threw those in I'm still that my seven cigarette break

Brian Atlasuh while I'm getting the champagne poured do any of you guys have like a how about this do you any of you have a disagreement with the show that you want to talk about any

Alicia Barbiedisagreements going once going twice Andrew your face face every time it's called for what what huh this happened wait wait what are you serious

Alicia Barbielike you have that this is your cup that's that's hers yeah I know but you're just talking [ __ ] so I was say I don't know I don't know you can check it if you want to say please please [ __ ] no

Alicia Barbiethat was a really sweet please to was adorable I wouldn't say that's a disagreement it was more like a that your no I don't know who that is uh clue I will say it's not mine cuz

Lucy / Ruby / RileyI give a I give the glass here just give it here if I get syphilis it's not my glass sorry Rachel I'm 20 I can't have alcohol this is

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyyours this isn't a disagreement but I'm still waiting for the hers which one this one you want okay I still want I still want the Brian reaction sticker

Mizypack that we talked about I don't know what that is it's fine whatever just pass it down thank you I just agree that you guys serve cold pizza 100% why

Andrew Wilsondidn't one unpopular opinion that's a crime I that is a very popular opinion hang on in Brian in Brian's defense he doesn't get every panel Pizza it's true thank you thank you the fact that it's

Andrew Wilsoncold I have to say it's a crime well we can't microwave it cuz it [ __ ] with our Wi-Fi it literally like intercepts like it kind of monster hates cold pizza

Brian Atlasanyway that's monstrous wait you want you want it honesty holy [ __ ] no I don't I was going to ask but I got nervous I just said what everyone else was thinking I'll finish it off all right uh

Brian Atlasthis is for our good friend Nico uh cheers to Nico I don't have anything in my glass Merry Christmas

Lucy / Ruby / RileySalo Merry Christmas may all of you find no Merry Christmas husbands May none of you get you get it again oh thanks

TTS Reader[Laughter] again we got wrong for here thank you man wrongful rage donated $200 it was such a small town instead of

TTS Readerdoing the Mad Tango in the bar like normal Hillbillies they decided to screw with friends in a car straight Kum billi Kum billies it's true they're gooner

Andrew Wilsonbillies billies Billy gooners all right thank you man so aumer is a guy who sucks men's dicks oh boy Bo but then also

Andrew Wilsonhas sex with a woman he's in an open relationship with and loses her to a twink on a sink that's aummer I can't believe that's a definition for that word and it means

Andrew Wilsonthat are we talking about my boyfriend yes do your boyfriend's name start with a D he's texting her right now like what the [ __ ] did you just say wait wait does it start with wait wait does your

Mandyboyfriend's name start with an S no at least she's funny yeah honestly but that would be funny she owns it I love we could probably set them up with we could for sure what you know a couple guys I

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyknow one guy is it Lucy goosey read this for us please can you girls just make one promise to at least have five children this except for her this nation's this

Lucy / Ruby / Rileynation will be Islam in the next few Generations if we continue to have declining birth rates we need men to fight the good fight if Islam takes over goodbye woman's rights hello Sister Wives here here all right uh NS in La

Brian Atlasthank you for the Super Chat man do appreciate it um five children I'm I want seven children oh you did bring that up last seven little seven sons seven sons so I don't care if we have if

Alicia Barbiewe we got to go through 10 daughters we're getting seven sons that sounds likey times where they had to be like I want a air a air please give me an air yes I need an air I need to take over the whatever podcast yes okay that's

Mizyreally important feel very bad for your wife me too seven little Ed like I don't just I don't even know you but well so I mean Society is still patrilineal so I mean there's a reason you take the husband's last name there's a reason

Andrew Wilsonyour kids get the husband's last name he's right it's still seven though it's a lot and then with like five what if what if some of them die that's true from what from

Andrew Wilsonthe well you know you

Alicia Barbiesay oh I'm going to help just be careful Brian you never know careful of woman like yeah what does that mean you never know if you

Mandymight have like a daughter with syphilis or chamia wait what Brian I shook your hand last time you might have

Lucy / Ruby / Rileysyphilis oh man oh okay this is do this is just like taking sex education back 100 years right now guys you cannot get think we got a raid from Rachel a couple minutes ago I think she sent over a raid

Brian Atlasyo Rachel thank you for the raid yo everybody in The Crucible thank you so much for uh joining us here on the whatever Stream So do appreciate it guys good to see you guys in the chat hope you guys had a good stream over there with raal crew nice to see you guys over

Brian Atlashere all right we have tangle up with these [ __ ] whatever DG got to do it uh L barbana yes that is your Instagram description says solo

Alicia Barbieprincess sulani it is another afro terminology that describes like afro descendants oh that was enslaved here so it's just

Brian Atlasanother cute little name why you oh you reading my bio oh okay proceed you said also it says join the

Alicia Barbiehash dolls unite Community what is that I have like a community of dolls and um we just like I don't I know it's just like my little own click on Instagram

Alicia Barbiethat I made oh I love that so it's like like # doy night what is there like what is the dolls thing it's you want oras yeah but like more like I do like makeup

Alicia Barbiechallenges so like every month I'll do a makeup challenge and they'll use like hash dolls unite to earn like a free prize or whatever so that's just like a little way to engage like my audience yeah you said um also you were talking

Alicia Barbieto a criminal who stole cars so you're dating him so that's a good story to start off with I guess um so when I moved to Chicago from the suburbs I was

Alicia Barbielike new to the whole scenery and I was new to the whole city life and I had met um a couple of friends who introduced me to this one guy who stole a U-Haul truck um

Alicia Barbieand I'm so telling the story what was he putting in it what was he put in this U-Haul truck he would just randomly steal he wasn't putting anything he would just randomly steal U-Haul trucks

Alicia Barbieand it's like easy to do in Chicago do a he would just drive them around yeah he would he would drive them

Alicia Barbiearound basically doing like Grand Theft Auto like he was like he went to jail for stealing um some shoes I think at a warehouse and it was like at 2:00 in the

Alicia Barbiemorning um and they got they arrested him but he's released now so I don't know what he's doing and you dated this guy I didn't really date cuz he was talking to us other you just smashed

Alicia Barbiewith this guy I was yeah I was in a situationship so yeah typical all those all those red flags you know I was all that toxic masculinity I didn't know he

Alicia Barbiedid it until he went to jail that's why like that's when I knew did okay let me ask you a question then uhhuh did you still talk to him after he got out of jail no did you talk to him while he was in jail

Alicia Barbieno I'm not them woman okay I am not loyal to a man in jail I'm sorry okay no offense but I'm not I mean he just he just you know

Alicia Barbiestole you hard trucks and we rode around downtown the south side of Chicago so why did you want to [ __ ] ride around in a U-Haul in Chicago why I thought it would be hey

Alicia Barbiebaby you want to get my U all go for a ride I thought it I got some furniture back there get what the [ __ ] I literally thought it was for like the fun of it

Alicia Barbiebut like he kept stealing so many U-Hauls just like I have to know the number I have to know how many he stole I think he stole like five when the time I met him Dam how many did you rid in

Lucy / Ruby / Rileywith him just two the Chicago PD sucks if you stole five UA before he got cut they suck in general they yeah yeah so you basically

Lucy / Ruby / Rileycruised around in 30% of his stolen property pretty much but like this is all alleged by the way in case the police are watching she's not an accessory to this I'm yeah I'm not J do

Alicia Barbienot call the police but yeah he just we just rode around on u-a trucks and he's like smoked so was the Allure that the truck was stolen no the Allure

Alicia Barbiewas the allore was um well one he was very like very attractive and two he put up a good game and I was like okay you're cute um it's all get in your

Lucy / Ruby / RileyU-Haul with you yeah did you ride in the middle seat no we I rode on the back like where was like empty and then by yourself are you sure this wasn't Stockholm syndrome he didn't

Alicia Barbiekidnap you right how many people how many people was he hauling in this U-Haul there was me there was me and another girl um not like that not like that but like he was friends because we were had he was friends with another

Andrew Wilsoncriminal man I was doing dating all wrong all I need to do is run a U-Haul and be like hey baby you want to get back of my U-Haul and we were just like riding out ride yeah you want to ride back of my U-Haul there's another chick

Alicia Barbieback there yeah she was like back there and I was like oh I'll join and then I just hopped in I was you know I was where were you guys sitting on the floor no he couldn't even steal you guys a

Andrew Wilsoncouch something to sit on no he didn't have that he was that he was broke did you guys hop wait you hop it not a couch what sort of gentleman criminal is this a gentleman I guess not a gentl criminal

Andrew Wilsoncriminal at all unbelievable all those red flags all those toxic masculine I just can't believe it I would never see it coming yeah it kind of sounds fun

Alicia Barbieyeah I'm not going to lie I know we're going I like an adventure so it was really really fun I'm not going to lie to you that was the best experience that

Alicia BarbieI had thus far but besides other was sitting in the back of a U-Haul that was stolen that's all she needs you guys while somebody was driving around just like this is like this was at the time

Alicia Barbieit was like dangerous but like you know it was like the thrill of it like the rush like oh this could be like in a movie type of word adrenaline yeah the adrenaline it could have been like a caddy but no a U-Haul that's what I'm tripping on

Andrew Wilsonlike there's been occasion in my life where I just have to say I'm the most boring man in the world totally okay with it you it's okay Andrew don't worry I would

Brian AtlasI rather have boring than what a drive around the back of a U-Haul it's unbelievable should I get the pickles should I still get the pickles I'm

Lucy / Ruby / Rileygetting the pickles we haven't gotten the pickles yet no I can I well are we allowed to like eat them afterwards after a big strong man opens them for yes you can eat the pickles come to

Brian Atlasthink of it we all get to try to open one uh I ordered three jars so we'll see are you on to open uh I think uh okay you also wanted to talk about interracial dating what I'm assume cuz

Alicia Barbieyour boyfriend's white or whatever yeah he's white and people they stare poock though

Alicia Barbiepoock he's like it's so crazy cuz like people especially on social media they're always like oh you're trying to be white and I'm like no I just want to be a Barbie doll and then they see my white boyfriend they're like oh yeah you

Alicia Barbiereally want to be white now so it's you tell them he's a poock though they they they know that he's polish but they still think that like he's like armanian or like Jewish or something cuz like he

Alicia Barbiedoesn't look polish if that makes any sense but like then again like I don't really know how Polish people truly look like but like with him it's always like

Brian Atlasa people just stare and they're just like they'll stare for like 5 Seconds at the max I'm like what are you st for going switch it up here um all right moving to Alexis uh 18 you do only fans I've had you've had so many unique

Brian Atlasdating experiences but the one that you laugh at every time is this crazy dude you were only in the talking stage with but he swore you guys were dating he never even asked you to be his

Alicia Barbiegirlfriend anyways he used to want to be on the phone with you 24/7 m one hell of a she said what she said

Alicia Barbieyeah do you want to just tell us the brief version so basically I'm I met this dude he went to like some juvie school and um that should have been my red flag right there to like run away

Alicia Barbiebut I didn't and you know like we talked a lot and stuff like that and he swore that we were dating and it was just crazy to me because like again never asked me so like I wouldn't count it but

Alicia Barbielike he would be on the phone with me all the time and he wanted to like Zoom calls if his phone died he would like make me call him on his on my computer on his computer so we could do Zoom calls and if I didn't he would come to my house like literally come to my house

Alicia Barbiebang on the door and swear that I was like cheating on him or something um fair point I did cheat on him before so girl this girl is a seral we weren't

Alicia Barbieeven dating oh so you didn't cheat on him technically exactly okay but then um so yeah and then um what really got me was because when I tried to end things with him and stopped talking to him he

Alicia Barbiecame to my house I didn't let him in so he used a butter knife to try and pick my lock at my house and then when he couldn't get in I mean when he did get

Alicia Barbiein like I was genuinely scared like what so I stayed with him for like I stay with him for I stayed with like I kept talking to him for like a long time like a year cuz you were fear Fe fearful like

Alicia Barbiefor your life I wasn't fearful I was just like dang you really like me like you can't breaking my house and stuff you know like you must really like me you said said started crying you said he

Alicia Barbiestarted crying he started crying oh yeah he was crying he was crying okay but he like he didn't want to be out of contact with you for longer than 10 minutes oh yeah yeah like if I didn't answer the

Alicia Barbiephone nothing he would come to my house was he insecure very okay very okay it would be too if you cheated on me girl it was

Lucy / Ruby / Rileytechnicality that ain't cheat if I wasn't with your ass y now we're going to tobies tobies it's like tabby cat but

Brian Atlaslike to tobies like it's cute gotcha and um but your name's actually it's Ruby right or yes that's your real name yes uh you

Brian Atlassaid you've gone on so many lame dates yes uh one was to Walmart and one guy

Lucy / Ruby / Rileybegging to meet at Kroger yes wait um

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyokay so um I I had my dating app Phase that was an ERA like a really this was

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythis was a really short era maybe like um half of a month or so and um I would like scroll and talk with people you

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyknow normal dating app things and I I went with this one guy he seemed pretty pretty all right pretty promising and he

Lucy / Ruby / Rileywas like yeah I'll like take you on a date and I was like like I really want to go on a date and have a dating experience I

Brian Atlaslike have only been on maybe like three or four official dates hold on

Brian Atlasyou've what if you had to describe your other experiences how would you describe them

Brian Atlaswhat other experiences like when dating versus like casual versus like when you say the word when you say the word only it would indicate that your previous uh experiences with men were what like you

Brian Atlasjust go over to their house and have sex with

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythem yes then done that got it sorry I was thinking I was really thinking about the oh what like do I really consider as like a date because versus like an

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyofficial date versus like not a date right um I was thinking of that that yeah and but so you said you wanted to

Lucy / Ruby / Rileystart going on proper dates yeah and I had recently moved in that whole year

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythat uh after I graduated I moved like five times and this was after one of my most recent times moving and so I was

Lucy / Ruby / Rileylike sure let's like try this and he was like I'll take you on a date girl like do the whole nines and so I did the

Lucy / Ruby / Rileywhole nines I got ready I was really cute um he pulls up and it's like it's a

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyit's a car it's a car oh it's definitely a vehicle the thing about the car though was once I got in it and was like

Lucy / Ruby / Rileytalking with him a bit um his face speakers they were um sound woofers sub

Lucy / Ruby / Rileywoofers Sub sub but but the base was so so loud and he was like we were trying to yell over it and talk and like my

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyvoice kept cracking and breaking and and then um at the end of our date when he like dropped me off obviously when we went to Walmart we

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyjust like walked around and he was like kissing the book aisle and I was like the [ __ ] I don't think so I don't think so I don't at least take

Mizythe lady at Costco you know bring in the bringing the big bcks if if you could take me on a date to Walmart and we can have a good time we can get married tomorrow like you know if you can have fun with a guy in a Walmart and like

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyyou're having a great time then you can have fun doing anything I think that's so valid but this was an experience and not the date that I was hoping for and

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyum we like drove around honestly his music was really good and and he loved R&B and he had a beautiful voice but um like once I got home I was like I'm not

Lucy / Ruby / Rileylistening to music on my way to work tomorrow like that is going to be a silent car ride wait what do you mean cuz his subwoofer face was so loud that I had

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythe worst headache ever and like my ears were ringing I see and so he's like no noise for a while okay but you've gone

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyon a bunch of lame dates yes ones ones like that where they just like cuz what I thought dating was when I was younger would be like at least to like both be

Lucy / Ruby / Rileydressed up cute and like I don't really care about like flowers sure opening the door is really nice um buying the meal

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyis really nice but to just go to a place like Walmart and walk versus like a park or something um where it's more of an

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyengaging and fun experience to do which I love casual times with people like I'm a quality time spender person that's my

Lucy / Ruby / Rileylove language quality time is my love language and so I I love hanging out I love chilling I love doing errands with people but as a first date it definitely

Lucy / Ruby / Rileywas not describe the ideal first date for you ideal first date this is my picturesque one okay so we like go to the park and have

Lucy / Ruby / RileySherie and like have a cute little photo moment and then we go and get ice cream and then like at the park we're like walking

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyaround you know the birds are like tweet tweet tweet and like there's like a little dog and it's like just having fun

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyeating a disc of um like a Frisbee and eting not like not you're to like num

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyn like the dog is just playing with the Frisbee okay the dog that you guys are doing it no like like that's just going on in the scenery I'm really setting the

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyscene you really are I'm there I'm there right you with you and then like we get ice cream and then it's going to be like oh the Sun is

Brian Atlassetting thank you yeah so um have you ever taken a guy on a date

Lucy / Ruby / RileyI sounds like a no I I like took my most recent one and we we went and did things I did try and initiate it and try and have planning

Lucy / Ruby / Rileysort of set up um but other than that not really no interesting because earlier you said you paid multiple times 5050 on days well with the one that I'm with right now and even on times before

Lucy / Ruby / Rileywhere I've had friends with benefits and we like get something to eat like a pizza or something I've split before or but you said you're single I said I was talking

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyto you said you've been single for 3 years do you yeah I've been like single and in and out of Friends with Benefits relationships how long how long have you been seeing this current guy this

Andrew Wilsoncurrent one since the beginning of OCT right we talk about that yeah I remember very strange though where where are all these First Dates where you paid

Lucy / Ruby / Riley50/50 first states where I paid 5050 I'd say I've been on like for what I consider technical real dates when I

Lucy / Ruby / Rileywent on them before it was honestly our parents paying and then ever since like i' had gone on sort of dates with my friends's benefits but like it's not

Brian Atlaslike my official date wait hold on you you said you recently planned out but I'm talking about first dates so the first date with the current guy that you're

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyseeing did you pay or did he pay I offered to and he was like no like I'm paying for this we went and got this

Lucy / Ruby / Rileynice you never actually paid for first date I guess in technicalities no but I have offered all the time ever since

Andrew Wilsonlike it's not not really a technicality you just haven't ever paid on a first date right it's not it's not super technical just either you paid for the

Brian Atlasdate yeah you're right you're right yeah okay but also I so so here's my dilemma with this is that you said that you also have experiences where the men on these

Brian Atlasdating apps would say come over and you would and you would immed immediately [ __ ] them so like other men why should other men put in effort when

Brian Atlasyou've just gone over to men's houses and [ __ ] them right

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyaway it depends on what the other person is wanting when I was with when I was talking with these people before I said explicitly like let's go on a date versus let's go hook up you go down and

Brian Atlasgra the pickles pick pick the yeah yeah this is so important it's going to so go ahead go ahead go ahead it's going to be Indiana trolls

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyand the jar of Doom this evening but anyway go ahead Indiana trolls in the times before I would be like I want to go on a date this is I'm like on Tinder before versus like short-term fun blah

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyblah blah I would be like either more promiscuous if it was just for hooking up or like let's go on a date let's just try and have fun and go on a date and so

Brian Atlaswhen I said let's go on a date I didn't think it would be Walmart oh but like I I don't understand it would occur to me that I mean you personally don't find some of these dates like appealing or they the guy picked you up in a shitty

Brian Atlascar or whatever I didn't I mean isn't that a a greater deal of effort that's been expended by the man than just being like hey come over let's

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] so just like you have had those experiences I'm just like try to try to imagine these two parallels

Andrew Wilsonparallel one guy you just think is really hot and you're horny one night so you call him he comes over you hook up okay guy number two you're dating you really like him he finds out by the

Andrew Wilsonsecond date that you've done this with men previously and you say but listen it's not you I really like you I was just really horny one night and this guy was hot and I wanted to hook up doesn't guy number two feel like [ __ ] now like

Andrew Wilsondoesn't guy number two go well wait a second what do I get here

Andrew WilsonI feel like that's like an an individual caseby casee basis though and so we're talking about two individual cases yeah case one you hook up with a guy within minutes right because you just want to

Andrew Wilsonguy number two you don't right guy number two wants to hook up but you're make making him wait right whatever reason you're making him wait you say to him somehow this comes

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyup as a topic of conversation you tell him about guy number one how would that not make guy number two feel like total [ __ ] he definitely would feel like total [ __ ] if I were guy number two I would be

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyso sad badge I'd be like why doesn't she want me exactly I did I don't not to butt in but also to butt in I feel like if they wanted you for more than just your body like you should feel better about that cuz the one night stand would

Andrew Wilsonprobably do one night stand like baby you're right you know I just I only give my body to men I hate no not even that but like one night oh you you know what that's fair sweetheart

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyyou're right you know you only give your body to many you hate that's fair like imagine that imagine it though I am I am imagining it but I like personally like I would feel better if a man wanted to wait to have sex with me until like

Andrew Wilsonwe've had an act it's not about you we're talking about the man yeah well I that's talking about how you feel we're not talking about how we're not talking about how you feel we're talking about how a man would feel knowing that you

Andrew Wilsonhad other men you had sex with knock it off right that you had other men you had sex with and then you made him wait I have no idea how a man would feel how do you think he would

Andrew Wilsonfeel I just I have no idea you have no idea I I I would I would imagine feel better about himself what about you how would you feel in that situation of course I'd be like oh you

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] this other dude upon minutes of meeting him because you were horny one night but you want me to wait that would make no sense that would make me think

Andrew Wilsonwow you really like that guy and must really not like like me very much mhm I can I can put it in the way hang on hang on is the light bulb I feel like there's

Andrew Wilsona light bulb and it's like it's like about to just Ding and the whole room is going to get

Alicia Barbieilluminated I mean it really depends on the guy though I mean for you you would say like you would feel pretty shitty you would say that every guy on planet Earth would feel shitty Brian would you

Alicia Barbiefeel would you feel shitty if you found out that so and so the girl that you were talking to or whatever she had sex with another guy but she wanted you to wait how would you feel about it yeah

Andrew Wilsonthat's dog [ __ ] that's his it's it's actually his argument Oh that's oh it's his argument okay okay but I mean let me ask

Andrew Wilsonyou let me ask you the same question in reverse a guy's like oh yeah baby th this chick just came down and you know I just wanted a [ __ ] that's all but you I really like you so we need to take it

Mizyslow well the past is in the past and I'm the future so all right she's not it's not worth engaging with her I'm confused but she wanted to say something oh I was just going to say I'm just like going to say that women also can feel

Mizythis in like the way of like for me I don't like doing what night stands I want a relationship uh generally I want to date until I can kind of feel if this is going to be serious and I don't want

Mizyto be intimate with someone until I know that that's the page John but guys a lot of guys I know they want they expect the that they don't want to they need to have sex with you to see if they want to be in relationship with you but in

Mizygeneral the same guy who's saying I'm not ready for a relationship could date the next girl like that you know does that make sense yeah well so um I I do

Mizythink that makes sense um I didn't even understand it but but I'm trying to I think she saying that she would probably feel I'm just saying that there's also like women also can feel like you're talking about men and how men feel I saw

Brian Atlaswomen go through this thing as well where men look at them like they're just a piece of ass and not a relationship why don't I tell me if this is what what's going on so let's say you were dating a guy for like a year but it was

Brian Atlaskind of a situationship and he was like you know I'm just kind of like I I don't I'm not sure what I want right now like you're really great but you know I just want to take things slow I'm not going

Brian Atlasto uh point in my life where I'm ready for long-term relationship you guys break up 2 weeks later he's engag AG to another woman m is that kind of what you're talking

Mizyabout not a year that's a long time to like let some women are in situationship yeah but I mean just like in general like a guys often I've seen with my friends and like you know personal experiences like guys like oh I'm not ready for a relationship um I just want

Mizyto hook up where I'm just like I'm good then like you know but or they they're actively pursuing you and then they're literally in a they have a whole girlfriend like 5 days later and it's like on Instagram or something like that

Lucy / Ruby / Rileywhat that has happened I just I'm confused because it's like like you guys always say girls are so confusing but I'm confused right now about what men want CU you don't want a girl to be promiscuous and sleep with you on the first date but you're going to be mad if

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyshe doesn't sleep with you on the first date I think they were more like playing Devil's Advocate with that what do men

Andrew Wilsonwant depends well it depends on if they're following secular ethics or Christian ethics or some other ethical form so from Brian's perspective it

Andrew Wilsonmakes total sense to me he says okay if you're willing to sleep with a a dude the first night you meet him but you want to make me wait that's basically signaling to me that you don't

Andrew Wilsonwant me I can't argue with that I don't know how to argue with that because how else could it make you feel like like they like they crave

Andrew Wilsonsomething more meaningful than just intimacy but okay so here more if it's more meaning though why would you give the intimacy to the guy who it wasn't meaningful with yeah it's like you that

Andrew Wilsonthat like that that's counter you said yourself though in this hypothetical the girl's horny yeah just like a guy's horny horny so the assumption is that now Brian doesn't make you horny right in in this hypothetical I you know what

MandyI that makes sense a little bit but not a lot but a little bit for sure CU When you question you'd be like what's wrong with me why can't you have sex with me like that would be like that would be the point that would [ __ ] with my head

Brian Atlashow about how about how about this um so imagine a guy who introduced

Brian Atlashis uh friends family uh spend spends quality long romantic dates revealed his emotional side with girls he just wanted

Brian Atlasto smash but with girls he saw long-term potential he just booty calleded them he left straight away

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyafterwards like that's that's the difference does that make sense no no not at all cuz like that pretty much say what I'm saying the reason agree with me the reason it doesn't make sense is

Andrew WilsonBrian's point so he's giving you the reverse yeah but the reverse is my point make he says would it make sense would it make sense in the reverse if a guy wanted a long-term commitment with you but then just did a booty call and then

Lucy / Ruby / Rileynever talk to you again that makes no sense exactly so the person that I'm my booty call I don't want a long-term commitment with but someone I'm getting to know I would yeah right that's the point though wait wait I don't I think I messed up I

Brian Atlasmessed up I messed up I'm trying to give you like okay it's it's like well I'm not a man so I feel like at the end of the day it doesn't really matter what I would think about it yeah it's really up to you guys you can't you can't put

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyyourself in the shoes of the opposite side I'm really trying I'm really trying can you put your shoes in the in our yeah okay cuz like as a woman like like like you said like every woman could get sex if she wanted to so like what do you do you feel that the man would be

Andrew Wilsondisrespecting the woman if he agreed to have sex with her on a first date like that's a separate conversation but just answer very quickly right from my ethical perview yes so then that's not the kind of man that you'd want to be

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyseeing long term if they agree to have sex with you on the first day if they'd rather wait for you then that sounds like a long-term partner it does but we still come into the same conundrum okay so the problem is um sure I agree with

Andrew Wilsonyou that um let's say a woman propositioned a man and he's following Christian ethics he should turn down sure but then in that case and that but it really has nothing to do with the

Andrew Wilsonidea of a man let's say he's a Christian man he's stating a woman okay she reveals to him that she wanted to have sex with these two previous men to him

Andrew Wilsonbut now she wants him to wait right it's still the same conundrum either way it's still going to make him feel like [ __ ] either way well that sucks that his feelings got her yeah cuz I was like why would you allow that to happen I feel

Lucy / Ruby / Rileylike the woman probably wouldn't also tell him yeah yeah but how does that make it better the less you know the better baby like right I feel if anything that makes it wor the idea is like share share your feelings I you

Andrew Wilsonknow I want you to be in touch with your emotional side I want you to open up to me I ain't telling you [ __ ] [ __ ] that's different it's about oh it's different yeah yeah I mean because when you show something which is vulnerable

Lucy / Ruby / Rileycan be weaponized but when a man shows something vulnerable it's the same thing it can also be weaponized well ideally I don't I mean I don't the thing about this hypothetical is that that's just not something that I would do like this isn't this isn't that hypothetical what

Andrew WilsonI call I call this phenomenon faking virtue so the idea is that they don't care the woman doesn't care she would sleep with the guy the first night if she thought that he wanted that if that

Andrew Wilsonwould lead to the long-term relationship she would do that because she thinks that he has virtue and does not want a woman who is promiscuous she will fake

Brian AtlasThe Virtue by making him wait okay okay yeah this happens all the time by the

Brian Atlasway stop yeah like this is it's the most common story I hear on whatever super common yeah you not you still don't no I understand I just there's nothing I could say at this point cuz I I don't necessarily agree

Lucy / Ruby / Rileybut if I disagree and you're just going to keep explaining it to me for the 10th time what do you mean when you say you disagree do you disagree that this phenomenon exists no no I think I'm sure it completely exists I'm sure it completely exist but I'm sure that there's different intention behind it

Lucy / Ruby / Rileythan just faking virtue like what would the intention be like I don't think that like if I didn't have sex with somebody immediately upon a first day it would it wouldn't be that I was lying to them that I was virtuous it would be because of some other reason probably but wait I

Andrew Wilsonactually agree mhm that could be the case M most of the time that's not the situation we're talking about the situation specifically we're talking about is if the woman ordinarily would

Andrew Wilsonsleep with this guy mhm but thinks if she does that could in some way diminish his interest in her mhm okay so she doesn't even though she wants to mhm he

Lucy / Ruby / Rileyright at that point she's tailoring her virtue to him okay okay yeah that's a i that that explanation made so much more sense yeah yeah and does this not happen all the time I'm sure it does yeah then

Mizythat's faking virtue okay what what if when I'm just curious on your thoughts about this um

Mandyburning is that just me um when men I does anybody smell anything yeah I smell it smell like I thought I was having a

Lucy / Ruby / Rileystroke for a second apparently that's a sign oh I smell it now maybe something back are we all having a stroke after that conversation maybe

Mandyyeah I mean there cigarettes smell I don't know no it's not it's not cigarettes burning plastic yeah did you microwave the pizza what

Lucy / Ruby / Rileylikeone was like what's going on yeah now that you say it though like I know I'm sorry guys sorry so sorry no

MizyI'm like looking for smoke I know until we see fire we're fine we're chill um so when men and again this is all you know men can women can do the same thing that you're accusing or men can do the same

Mizything that women so I'm not saying that only women or men do this but um a lot of guys lie to women to get laid in the aspect of like faking you exactly so I'm

Mizyjust the point of hey if you hey I actually really like you I told my family about you like I want a relationship with you while you're but in your values are I I I want to wait and you you know you want to wait till like the fourth or whatever you're ready

Mizyhypothetically speaking and a GU like fakes it cuz he knows you want a relationship just to get you in bed and then ghost you like hypothetically speaking I don't dispute that men fake

Andrew Wilsonvirtue to get laid there's no doubt okay men will tell all sorts of Tall Tales everything in between so that they can get a piece okay I I mean I even saw

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