RAGE QUIT?! Do Modern Women DESERVE Chivalry? They Would Date CEO Assassin Luigi? | Dating Talk #220

Date: 2024-12-11

Duration: 7h 30m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDestiny (Cannabis)>

MMorgan (DT220)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Background(audience)

SPEAKER_02Peyton(guest)

SPEAKER_03Lily(guest)

SPEAKER_04Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_05Destiny(guest)

SPEAKER_06Winter(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_09TTS Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Eric (Osop)(guest)

SPEAKER_12TTS Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_13Ana(guest)

SPEAKER_14Ninay(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian reveals it is the "final three shows" of the season and announces 50% off champagne pops.

“champagne pops streamlabs are 50% off the rest of the year”

QuoteEric says he first noticed Andrew when he saw him on stage with Fresh & Fit intellectually disarming a muscle-bound man, calling Andrew a "sigma type."

“I first heard of you... you kept your cool and you kind of like intellectually disarmed him”

ControversyWinter attempts Krav Maga choke on Eric. He escapes easily. She then kicks him in the balls. Major on-show physical incident.

“I could have killed and you hit me in my... real I mean in real life that's right”

QuoteBrian reveals he has been celibate from eating pussy since July 4th 2007 ("Independence Day" joke).

“It was July 4th it was Independence Day and I became independent of eating pussy”

QuoteBrian plays a video of his ex-girlfriend bowing deeply when he arrives home, with dinner ready and laundry done, as an example of an ideal traditional greeting.

“this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend... huge bow... she got my dinner ready”

QuoteBrian tells Ninay: if she won't take his last name without a huge negotiation, he will stop opening her car door and paying for dates immediately.

“pay for your own shit until we're married... I'm never going to protect you... you can do all that shit yourself”

OtherDestiny (chair 1) falls asleep during the show. Brian calls her out for being high and disrespectful. She had left/been asleep for a portion of the later discussion.

“she Rage Quit she went to sleep... she came in high to the studio totally disrespectful”

QuoteEric (Osop) gives detailed speech about why men's standards for women need to be higher: "Men will sacrifice their happiness for their family; women will sacrifice their family for their happiness."

“men will sacrifice their happiness for their family women will sacrifice their family for their happiness”

QuoteAndrew explains that every Whatever panel is asked the same questions across 70+ episodes, so not preparing is the panelist's own fault, not a setup.

“every single panel of women who comes in the same questions are asked of them every single one... 76 times I think”

QuoteBrian challenges the misogyny accusation by asking Destiny for a specific example; she says the show just has that reputation but cannot cite anything specific from tonight.

“what have I said that is misogynistic... it seems like you view women as objects”

QuoteBrian announces Whatever podcast will take a 3-6 week holiday break. Final two shows announced (Sunday and Tuesday of the following week).

“we're going on break for anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks... final two shows”

ControversyWinter does a second physical demo against Desmond (large security guard). She attempts a double-leg takedown; he barely moves. Demonstrates the even greater gap between a small woman and a large trained man.

“she just... oh my God... he just stand there... she nearly went into the table”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Each guest introduces themselves with name, age, location, occupation. Brian then asks about college/education. Follows with a round of relationship statuses, longest relationships, who broke up with whom, and current dating situation. Peyton's situationship (on-off, no title), Winter's celibacy and 10-month man, Ninay's 5-year high school sweetheart, Lily's 6-month girlfriend and recent 3-date fumble are notable.

Luigi Mangione / CEO Assassin Attraction

Discussion of Luigi Mangione (UnitedHealthcare CEO killer) and why many women online were attracted to him. Brian shows CCTV footage, mugshots, and TikTok reactions of women simping. Panel discusses hybristophilia (sexual attraction to criminals). Andrew and Eric debate whether women enjoy violence inherently vs socially conditioned. Most of the panel would not date Luigi despite some finding him cute.

Male vs Female Violence & Dark Psychology

Continuation of violence topic. Andrew argues men innately enjoy violence as a survival mechanism; Eric counters that violence as spectacle is socialized not natural. Discussion of war monks, samurai, hunter instincts. Women's attraction to dominance and BDSM fantasies discussed. Panel agrees women have darker psychology than mainstream admits.

Krav Maga / Strength Difference Demonstration

Winter claims she could defend herself against a man with Krav Maga skills. Eric volunteers to demonstrate; Winter attempts a rear naked choke hold but Eric easily escapes. Winter then kicks Eric in the balls, sparking debate about real-world strength differentials. Andrew provides commentary. Later, Desmond (security guard) does a second demonstration showing even greater strength gap. Andrew's Crucible crew donates $1000 to Eric.

Self-Ratings (Looks Scale 1-10)

Gorlock the Destroyer (TTS donation) asks everyone to rate their looks. Most women say 10. Brian defines the scale: 1=ugly to 10=absolutely stunning. Discussion about whether every woman is a 10. Morgan gives herself a 7. Andrew gives himself a 9. Brian asks what makes them a 10 beyond looks. AI age-progression photos shown for laughs. Plastic surgery debate follows.

Standards, Hypergamy & Wage Gap

TTS question: should men step up or women lower standards? Most women say men should step up. Brian and Eric argue women's standards have inflated while their own value has decreased ("hoe-flation"). Minimum income expectations discussed ($40k-$1M range). Andrew's argument that men's motivation to earn is driven by women's mating pressure explains the wage gap. Discussion of controlled vs uncontrolled wage gap (1 cent after adjustments).

Chivalry, Traditional Dating & Modern Women

Ninay's Instagram bio as "female advocate" sparks discussion. Brian asks what women want from traditional dating (door-opening, paying, leading) and what they offer in return (cooking, cleaning, massage). Debate about whether women can simultaneously demand traditional treatment while rejecting traditional duties. Last-name debate with Ninay — she wants a conversation about keeping her name. Brian says traditional men won't tolerate the negotiation. Andrew uses "sassy flamboyant man" hypothetical to show double standard.

Women's Rights, Voting History & Abortion Debate

Ninay's female advocacy background leads to discussion about women's rights. Brian and Andrew use charts to show men and women received voting rights within ~20 years of each other and most of history had no universal suffrage. Abortion debate: Andrew cites 0.5% of abortions are from SA, 40% "not financially prepared." Brian raises male bodily autonomy (circumcision, selective service/draft). Ninay learns about the Selective Service card for the first time.

Race, Racism & Oppression Debate

Peyton says Black people cannot be racist (only prejudiced) because of power dynamics. Andrew and Brian challenge the "power + prejudice" definition, showing it would also mean women oppress men (less threatening = privileged). Eric adds nuance about systemic vs personal racism. Discussion of police violence stats (more white men killed by police than all women combined), college enrollment stats (Black women graduate at higher rates than white women). Peyton cannot definitively explain average white man's privilege over average Black woman.

Misogyny Accusation & Show Defense

Destiny and Peyton wrote "misogyny" as a show disagreement on their pre-show questionnaire. Brian challenges them to give specific examples. Peyton says she cannot remember the specific remark. Andrew points out all questions are asked to every panel across 70+ episodes and women could have prepared. Eric notes women hold preconceived notions based on clips without watching full episodes.

Age Gap Relationships & Commonality Debate

Is it wrong for a 30-year-old to date a 19-year-old? Most panelists say yes. Andrew argues men and women have almost nothing in common regardless of age gap and the "commonality" argument is weak. Debate about what age men would date down to. Winter says she would not date above 40 (she is 35). Ana says she would not put an age cap.

Roast Session, Super Chats & Wrap

Final super chats and TTS donations read. Bear vs Man question (most pick man). Viewers roast panelists. Andrew leaves the show. Makeup removal segment (some panelists take off lashes). Winter does second Krav Maga demo with Desmond (security guard). Body count reveals. Pegging discussion. Brian gives advice for men in modern dating (level up, meet in person, passport bro option). Show announced to go on 3-6 week break for the holidays. Final two shows announced for the following Sunday and Tuesday.

Body Count, Sex Timing & Relationship Dynamics

Discussion of whether body count matters. Panel's responses: Ana and others refuse to share. Winter says 3. Eric says under 60. Peyton explains why she makes guys she likes wait longer (doesn't want to lose them) but is quicker with casual encounters — Andrew calls this "faking virtue." Eric explains men's polygamous nature. How many times rejected vs rejecting. Ages when lost virginity (mostly 16-17). Peyton previously had OnlyFans with cute content only.

Transcript

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PeytonI'm not [ __ ] a dude in two weeks that's way too soon really yeah y be lying yo I swear on my life I swear on my life I met so many I man I'm not saying I've never [ __ ] a dude fast but if I really like you and I really see

Peytonlike something girls should really like the dude be if you that's the dude you [ __ ] the fastest that you like the most no because then they not going to like me no more like no that's really I kid you not you swear that that's not it

Eric (Osop)but that's exactly how it is you give a coochie to think a d wa a dke wait because because isn't that faking virtue isn't that faking isn't that

Andrew Wilsonfaking virtue the idea is uh well if I liked you less I would sleep with you faster but I don't do that because I want to keep you around for longer so I want to give you the impression that I'm virtuous even though I'm really not

Peytonisn't that faking virtue how am I how is it if you're really not virtu because it's not like I'm like just a hoe and I [ __ ] every [ __ ] quick and then it's just that one [ __ ] like I feel like it just depends like cuz you're not a virgin so to act like

Peytonyou're putting a stipulation on your sex is not is not true cuz you're not a virgin no more I feel like for most dudes that I've dated I made them wait like it's been a it's been a few outliers yeah sure but if you say I

Andrew Wilsondon't want to sleep with this guy cuz I really like him and I'm afraid that once that happens uh he's not going to like me anymore then this is an admittance that if you liked him less you might be you might be quicker to sleep with him

Andrew Wilsonwhich means you would essentially be faking virtue towards the guy who you actually liked to get him to like you wanted to no because I've never I've never benefited from [ __ ] ad ass I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot even going to lie I mean yeah but that's but that but that would make that doesn't benefit us it doesn't it only benefits men yeah but that would make my point again if you liked him less and you willing to sleep with him quicker than if you liked a guy a lot and you

Andrew Wilsonand you want to make him wait you're faking virtue to that guy you're saying listen this is how this is how it is uh you know I'm actually uh I'm not sleeping with you cuz um you know I'm virtuous in some way if you thought that

Andrew WilsonI was a ho you wouldn't be with me even though with other men I would do this much quicker isn't that faking virtue and Men fake their personalities to [ __ ] you so yes maybe it is faking virtue

Peytonwomen okay I mean with a makeup wipe you can remove like hold on I feel like men will still so bad I'm still cute without my makeup so I don't I can't even

Lilyparticipate oh I was saying I feel like a man will still [ __ ] a girl regardless of how she looks facts yeah men have low standards I guess what's the point though oh well you still remove your

Brian Atlasmakeup like no but I'm saying like uh you guys say that men fake their personality like and that's what makes you guys attracted to men we're attracted to your physical Beauty you

Peytonguys fake the method in which you make us attracted to you honestly only reason I could argue with that is because I feel like a lot of dudes tell me oh you look better without makeup I like you more without makeup

Peytonthis and that so I mean you could say fake in it I don't know I I can't relate to that but um sure um I'm going to get through the rest of the notes Here we have but I don't I don't actually understand maybe you just clarify this

Andrew Wilsonfor me really quickly if if you would be more likely to sleep with a guy that you're not into and more likely to make a guy wait who you were into how's that not a

Andrew Wilsonpunishment for the guy you're into how is it a punishment just trying to vet it out to see like because from his perspective think of it from his perspective wouldn't he be like so you're willing to [ __ ] the guy you don't like but you're not willing to [ __ ] me

Andrew Wilsonthe guy you do like but he doesn't know that it's not to say that I don't he doesn't know that so you're faking virtue that's the point right you're faking it because you would normally I could give him the just concerned about

Peytonhow he will think of it I could give him the coochie very quickly and he could stop liking me and never text me back again and he's faking that he likity and yeah cuz that's what men do yeah but I

Andrew Wilsonmean if he if he the thing is though is like all he really needs to do is be less than appealing for you right just a little less appealing than he is so you don't really like him you just kind of

Andrew Wilsonlike him and then he'll actually have sex quicker right because you have sex with the people you like less quicker than the people you have sex that you really like right I wouldn't I'm not generalizing it that way way like I don't just be like oh yeah I don't like

Peytonhim like that let me give him some coochie like I'm just thinking about the few times that there were those guys that I did [ __ ] a little bit faster like it wasn't like oh I don't like them at all let me give some coochie it was more

Peytonso like okay I'm horny and this is who I got around right

Peytonnow so I'm just going to have to like you know go with what I got versus like okay there's a dude that I feel like is like wants to know me way like way more

Andrew Wilsonon a deeper level like does that make sense no oh my God it's still it's still like backwards well I mean it makes sense in the sense of I understand what you're saying I just think that the

Andrew Wilsonlogic of it backwards that's the part that doesn't make any sense it's like why why would you want to make the guy wait who you really like I'm telling you and then and then be more willing to give it up to guys who you don't really want to have a deeper level with you

Andrew Wilsonjust want to have a physical intimacy relationship with him and it's like from the guy's perspective then that you do like wouldn't he think that he's being punished that would he wouldn't he think that maybe but I would think I would be punished if we have sex quick and then I

Andrew Wilsonuh and then I get ghosted yeah but but you wouldn't think you would be punished if you had sex quick with a guy you just wanted to have sex with right because then it's just like well I just wanted to cuz I was

Peytonhorny so it would still be a and then you regret it after I've done that I've definitely had sex and regretted it after because it was too quick and I wish that I waited all right

Brian Atlasokay uh we are uh going to get into let's see um I wonder if we do an Instagram review that could be interesting can I ask a

Eric (Osop)question real quick oh my God please don't pull that uh real quick yeah yeah yeah cuz we were talking about this the other day you said too quick cuz yesterday the other day they said women said they just like 15 20 minute sex

Brian Atlassession how long do you like yeah 15 to like 30 minutes okay um too quick is uh like five to 10 uh okay going to Winter we we were going to get into this earlier you were

Wintertalking about kind of your relationship um do you want to get into that oh sure the what made the one guy so much more special than also really quick though first um you said you're medically

Andrew Wilsonretired in I am medically retired okay um a neurological disorder okay got it all right um so you get like full

WinterSSI yes sir okay got you all right yeah uh so so anyways so what happened was um there was an accident I

Winterwound up on life support beforehand there was this guy that I kept turning down and shortly after you know I survived

Winterand everything he came back into my life and I'm like you're that guy I kept turning down and he denied that he was that guy and because of the memory problems I was having he convinced me to

Winterthink that we were like in some loving relationship and [ __ ] and so like I started dating him had sex with him everything like that and then found out he even said something along the lines

Winterof like what's this going to be a 51st St [ __ ] like you can't remember you know that we did this and that and we really never did he just made up those things

Winterto get me to do it again you Jedi Mind Tri yeah yeah Jedi Mind [ __ ] yeah and you believed him yeah I believed him I I mean he eventually got me to believe him yeah wow okay we we're going to come

Brian Atlasback to some of your stuff but basically you've never been married never had a boyfriend no you have dated you've had I've dated plenty yeah yeah you've had uh several people where you're seeing

Brian Atlaseach other for up to three months but never had like a long-term boyfriend um uh maybe you've encountered a lot of bad guys if you had to say though like if there's anything from your end like do

Brian Atlasyou think there's anything about you that's prevented yeah I definitely think so I think um like there was like you kick somebody in

Winterballs like something no um I think I just wasn't even prepared or in a spot in life where

Brian Atlasokay I should even consider something like that uh sure sure um well I guess before I get into I have to wait a bit to get into the thing you said that you

Winterdated a burn victim yeah oh okay if you can be brief with the story brief with the story yes I can so I dated a man he said he was a burn victim and I went into this building we stopped outside he

Winterhad to run inside this building and I decided to follow him in and I follow him in and I realize it's a medical facility and I see where he's standing and so I go and I walk up to him and the

Winterpharmacist asked him his birthday and the birth year was like 2 years after my father's birth year so he was just old how old was he 60s he was like 60

Wintersomething yeah and he said he lied about his age and he said I look this way because I'm a burn victim yes he said that he was like a like burnt like 80% of his body and stuff and I wasn't going

Andrew Wilsonto ask questions he was just old old and wrinkly he was just old and creepy he was just old old and creepy wait what that's a creepy thing to do you just you just couldn't tell you just couldn't

Andrew Wilsontell the difference between a burn victim and an old man really he looked super wrinkly he looked like a burn victim to me I don't know you still G me you still G me victims look I still gave him a chance of course wait after I

Winterfound out his age know so the age was the deal break good yeah the lot the fact that it was a lie he was like 60 something you like them before that um

Brian Atlasthat's like 30 something years yeah oh okay well okay so um yeah yeah that's interesting yeah have you ever seen I I just want to let you

Andrew Wilsonknow that I in no way shape or form beli this story there's there's no way that you thought a 60 old man was just a burn victim well that I mean come on look at

Winteryou girls are laugh cuz you know this is a do I do she has some mental issues though I do have some I have some disabilities she did say she was disabled you know she is disabled true okay wait in the brain how did you find

Brian Atlasout he was 65 I walked up to him he was at the pharmacy they said and they asked his birthday yeah um moving on though just to be kind of moving through this quick you said you had a one-of aind

Brian Atlasearly 20s you were groomed by a criminal and basically a captive for 4 and 1/2 years was this a man you dated yeah well I don't you did I don't count him as my

Winterboyfriend or someone I dated because it was a trick it was a it was a bamboozle yeah he tricked you yeah um how old were you when this happened I was 20 I just

Brian Atlasturned 20 how old was he uh 23 and you said okay but you said groomed by a criminal and basically a cap basically a captive

Brian Atlasyears exp two when you say groomed by a criminal what he was a criminal at the time he was already a criminal yeah I what drug dealer what was he no so all I

Winterknew is that he had made a American currency like years coun counter counterfeit he was a counter fitter yeah in his teenage years he was coun in his teenage years he was a

Brian Atlascounterfeit Catch Me If You Can [ __ ] Leonardo DiCaprio or something fantastic I have no idea okay sure but uh anyways so he went to prison or something like this and this was

Winterobviously the drug dealer that I dated right and also drug dealer drug dealer and counterfeit both yeah well eventually

Winterthe drugs came in right the drugs him first or was he selling him he was using him oh so but I didn't find out yeah cuz I'd never been around someone who did that type of stuff we if if you eat a

Brian Atlasbanana we have to do a whole segment on it no I so just hang tied on the banana we'll get to the banana wait okay um let's go into the captive for 4 and a half years though yeah what do you mean

Winterby that so that's a little proprietary to my book but I will answer your question proprietary to your book it's a little it's a little like Memoir you writing or something like yeah like it I

Brian Atlasdon't want to essentially tell the whole story on here and not have a book right yeah so how okay don't tell Will question definitely don't tell me the whole story but can you just tell me the whole

Winterbasically a captive so you were like chained down in his basement well it was like he had the he had he had the phone he had the keys it was this is part part of the reason why I've learned self-defense the way he would like hold

Wintermy neck and put my arm on his neck and stuff and he just would drug me and get me to be quiet and it was kind of like this situation where I was kind of being drugged and Drug around and all the

Wintercommunication that was going to my family yeah was through him state of is is this gentleman in prison for the is dead not for different not for different horrible oh he's dead he's

Winterdead a started as soon as I started making reports he did that himself yeah okay Jesus Christ yeah um hence the reason I'm 35 and

Brian Atlasunmarried you know what I mean there's a lot of reasons not be married yeah the drugs was it like uh like can you say which ones or yeah it was hawi

Winterand MTH oh [ __ ] yeah he was crazy as hell that's why you [ __ ] out I get it now did he did was it ever a speedball I think he did do that but I'm

Brian Atlasnot I know that was like the mix of the two right yeah when you mix a uh a sedative and an and a what's it called a stimulant it's a speedball he like put in your body oh I don't know if that's what I don't I don't even know what he

Andrew Wilsonput in my body he was taking a speed ball right what does this guy's uh what does this guy's family say about the fact that you're going to put all this in a book and he's not alive he actually

Winterhe doesn't his mother is also gone uh his dad is living in Wisconsin and doesn't really care what's said you know

Winterand his brother's on the streets so you said and he also this man sleep deprived you and there was starvation yeah so that's part of the grooming that's how they kind of get into your head is they'll sleep deprive you they'll

Winterdeprive you of sleep deprive you of food what was the first yeah what was the first red flag the first red flag was the first time that he drugged me and I should have ran right I should have ran

Winterthen so uh it was morning time he told me that he gave me a cup I thought it was thlu you know that tea and it wasn't tea it was from uh methamphetamine bong

Brian Atlasand so I started showing symptoms and they all thought it was funny and that was the first red flag okay were you dealing with your weight issues around this time no I have weight issues until after uh okay um I'm the notes are a bit

Brian Atlasout of order but there's another thing you got ghosted for 2 years uh what was happening is you didn't know what Netflix and chill meant so I would say yes and try to talk about a series or movies and the person would

Winterjust stop talking it took you two years to realize yeah so the whole Netflix and chill thing that was going on that was like let's [ __ ] let's Netflix and chill let's [ __ ] people would ask me online

Winterlet's net do you want to Netflix and chill and I'd be like yes oh my God I love stranger things or I love this other TV show and then they would just like never say anything to me again and

WinterI never thought anything of it I was just like oh they don't want to hang out you know and then like it took like two years and it had I heard and I found out in passing what it actually was so he left you two years and came back two years later no this is just like how you

Winterghost him for two years if once they ghost this is just like random dating I was doing right I was just dating over the course of two years Oh you mean so in the course of two years people were ghosting you yeah cuz I didn't cuz I

Wintermisunderstood what Netflix and chill was so you weren't actually [ __ ] them no oh they just would invite you to Netflix to chill you would turn it down and then they would I wouldn't turn it down I would say like yeah let Netflix and

Winterchill let's watch stranger things yeah and I didn't know yeah they had some stranger things for you yeah that's funny wouldn't it was funny but I mean wouldn't they still invite

Eric (Osop)you over to watch stranger things no they would just stop talking to me I don't know because they wanted to to see the show and then they would switch up when you got there or you just never would show up for like would they invite you to Netflix and chill and then you

Wintergot there they tried to have sex with you or I never showed up for Netflix and chilling yeah I never even got that far so why is it that you say you got ghosted well because like I feel like the ghosting is just like like I mean

Winterlike mild ghosted you they just stop texing you they just sto talking to me on the line or whatever you know it's over yeah yeah um so but isn't it the case like if a guy wants to if a guy

Andrew Wilsonwould say uh Hey I want to come over to your apartment to watch a movie let's say and you're like oh great I love this particular movie they still show up to watch the movie because they still have

Andrew Wilsonthe idea that there could be some sex involved right even if you tell them the movie and this type of thing yeah but Netflix and chill idea in their head isn't it it was a very specific thing

Brian AtlasNetflix and chill was very specific on what it meant it just meant let's have sex okay um you said you converted to being Catholic because you're okay not going into that can't say yeah I'm not

Brian Atlasgoing into that um you're writing about your experiences of being captive um the guy deprived you of sleep food he

Brian Atlasbrainwashed you uh keep you around for okay and then you you're neurological disord is called neurofibromatosis that's correct you

Brian Atlashave tumors on your spine and brain reason why you're small um uh I'm trying to I'll come back to some of this other stuff later let me get two chats we got the move things

Brian Atlasquickly here uh Lucas from earlier two continued I debate this [ __ ] with you after a Long Day's Work what's my incentive to share provide my seven

Brian Atlasfigures with you why do I care I have a 12-year-old daughter that's why oh mhm still don't understand all right thank you Lucas do appreciate it we have another one here from Lucas coming in

Brian Atlasthank you for the message via stream aesthetic mediocrities combined with huis and incessant vapid verbal flatulence after a 12 to 14 hour workday who in God's name will bear that cross

Brian Atlasand marry that I guess Simpson suckers abound Lucas thank you very much for the uh streamlabs message I do very much appreciate it thank you thank you man do you guys want to respond to this he's

Brian Atlassaying uh hubris incessant VAP vapid verbal flatulence and aesthetic mediocrity um it's like some Shakespearean roast or some

Destiny[ __ ] trying to say y was saying a bunch of [ __ ] and you're not as cute as you think you that's what he trying to say hit him quite hard go ahead Lily do the banana segment what am I doing you wanted a banana

Brian Atlasearlier you you okay fine you're loss you're loss all right um let's see I think we'll come back to some of your stuff a little later I need to get into

Brian Atlasthe questionnaire though to um get things moving uh Destiny and Payton uh do you have any disagreements with the show host you guys simply wrote

Brian Atlasboth of you simply wrote misogyny and I don't know if this is all also the case for you unfortunately your questionnaire did not include that one so yeah I don't think it had that on there so it doesn't apply to Me Maybe safe to assume though

Peytonthat you would have wrote that too um so massat maybe you guys have seen the show then uh I was I haven't seen like a full show but I definitely seen Clips on

Brian AtlasTwitter right so uh you think the show is misogynistic or you think myself or Andrew I guess is misogynistic I would say the yeah both okay first just so we

Peytonunderstand the terms correctly uh how do you define misogyny like you think men are superior okay what about you um yeah you think men are superior you think we're

Peytonfem cells usually don't what's a fim cell what like a incel but a female incel like like how women call men incels as insults men call women you

Brian Atlasknow what inel means hold on first off no men never use the term fem cell as an insult secondly there's no such thing as a female Insel I've seen it on Twitter that's why I said it but no woman can be

Brian Atlasinvoluntarily involuntarily celibate so it's I mean it's not even worth having a conversation about but um so okay you think that uh to your first point you

Brian Atlasthink that we think men are superior what have I what based off your answers answers even tonight yes okay what have I said tonight that would indicate that I think men are

Destinysuperior well earlier you were saying how you specifically Eric oh so I'm the mass no but but Eric's Eric's another

Brian Atlaspanelist you you have not seen any clips of Eric your accusations about misogyny have to do either with me or Andrew so

Brian Atlasuh what examples tonight from me uh H have I um indicated that I believe males are superior or whatever I have one when when I forgot what I

Peytonsaid but she was like yeah uh women don't think that way women don't think like that like we just don't have brains like about what though it was just such a generalization that it just sounded like yeah you're the type of got be

Peytonspecific though I just I was very I forgot what I said I'm sorry I wish I could roll roll back the clip but it was a question asked about oh what about if women do this and think that men [ __ ]

Brian Atlaswhat see when you make accusations you got to be specific about what happens how about this you guys filled this out before the start of the show what before the start of the show would establish myself for the show

Brian Atlasis misogynistic I wish I could pull up one of your Clips I which clip go ahead here how about we start with Destiny Destiny what is something I've have said that is

Destinymisogynistic I think that the show kind of has that rep so that's kind of what I come I was like mentally prepared

Destinysure what has led to that reputation maybe like the arguments being mostly based on men and women and

Destinylike what they bring to the table and like what do they how would that be misogynistic even just your guys's arguments which are yeah which one there's so many okay give me one I have

PeytonStoner brain I think y'all confus a male's perspective as being misogynistic maybe no because I argue with men all the time you could just tell when somebody like

Eric (Osop)hates women versus like when they you can tell when dudes want to a women worshiper versus a man who's not afraid to be objective with a woman I think y'all get it twisted y'all think because a man is objective and he's challenging how you think that he thinks he's better

Eric (Osop)than women and y'all think a guy that's willing to say oh yeah you right you right that he's a real man no he just rather he's he's afraid to lose you some men are not afraid to lose you at the sake of their own self respect inanity but that doesn't mean they're misogynist I'm not talking about men that's afraid

Brian Atlasto lose me I'm talking about people that I argue with on The Daily yeah let's get back to the conversation though so what what have I said that's misogynistic can I answer a question for

Destinythe question hold on I'll let you come in but they made the claim so they have to I not you banana it just seems wow you guys really love to save other women

Destinygo ahead it seems like you view women as objects stop guys you got to kindly shut the [ __ ] up and let her talk go ahead that's not kind I don't know who talking to clearly don't it seems like you guys

Brian AtlasView women as objects more than actual women okay what have I said tonight that would indicate that I view women as objects well saying that we don't think or that we don't have brains when did I

Peytonsay that when didn't he say that he's just manipulating you girl how how's it manipulation because you you you it's manipulation when you ask for an example knowing that you could just rewind the clip and just go look back at the stream

Peytonyou already know what you said no I'm asking we forgot we forgot what you said we've been here five hours so it's very hard to pick up be like oh yeah this is

Eric (Osop)about the hours ago but the questions are asked based on their perception of him before the show started he's just making he makes misogynistic remarks I will say that so what I cannot remember you literally can't provide one thing I

Peytonalready said what you said when you say women don't think like that in response to one of the questions about women thinking that men it was something about women thinking that men like care about them in another way or something like that I'm I'm upset that I don't remember

Peytonbut I just think it's it's weird to say oh just because you don't remember it that means I'm not misogynistic like no so if I blame you for a crime and I can't prove it does that substantiate my accusation well it's not like you're going to be on trial and you're going to

Peytonbe in the courtroom without any evidence I don't have my phone to pull up and I don't have the memory to remember what he said 3 hours ago at the you remember massage in this it was forget whatever I said I remember what you said I forgot

Brian Atlaswhat the question was asked to me I'll just go ahead and what I'll just grant to you that I maybe I said something misogynistic during the show you filled

Brian Atlasthis out before the show what what have I said that is misogynistic I wasn't really talking about you specifically when I said that I was talking about the show in general sure what is misogynistic about the show in general

Peytonjust the way that you guys frame questions you guys ask women questions like to like kind of upset them and like questions that you have more information on than us knowing that we're kind of like random and we don't have time to uh get information and knowledge to back up

Peytonour arguments versus you guys have all these statistics and all Stu to back up exactly statistics and graphs that yall plan in instead of telling us what we need to instead of telling us a conversation at hand so more time you

Peytoncan make an argument that that's unfair what the [ __ ] does that have to do with misogyny it's misogyny because you're doing it and everybody that comes on here majority of time is mostly women that don't have the information to argue back with you it's seven of y'all versus

Brian Atlasone of me you can't Collective with your Collective brain power over just one of you though you have technology and you're Googling all these statistics and I be I can make these arguments without the graphs and infographics that's just

Brian Atlasto clarify points you guys bring up these these claims about uh the call education voting you guys are just wrong because you bought into the feminist

Brian Atlaspropaganda and I have to correct it are how somebody's are feminist you're all feminists thing wait wait wait wait wait she has to say her thing go ahead say it

Brian Atlashow how is your point of view wrong no I believe in truth and facts your point of view is irrelevant if the facts we don't have the facts right here to back it up your point here if your point of view is

Brian Atlasmen have had voting rights for a thousand years and wom women haven't that's just factually inaccurate it's not hold on stop stop no I'm I'm providing an example you were just factually in incorrect when it came to

Ninaywomen's voting no I use that as an example when I brought it up you asked me didn't say it was a reply to an answer you asked me

NinayI believe the question you asked me um what have women you know come throughout time um fighting for and stuff like that so I brought up the things that we were fighting for our rights to vote

Brian Atlaseducation abortion so I was answering questions okay here's the here's the Genesis of that entire conversation you said that you're a woman's advocate and the first thing you went to I don't know why in what way would you still be

Brian Atlasadvocating a hundred years later when women have already had the right to vote you asked about things over time it was the first thing popped in my head no no no no you said you're women's Advocate you said you're women's Advocate I'm like what do you advocate for and you're

Ninaylike women's right to vote you have the right to vote safety no originally when I told you what what I practice and how I'm you know advocating it was safety

Brian Atlasand safety from what from from danger from people trying to take advantage of you from oh are you so you're wait hold on that's everybody's a victim of that that's really so you could take it both

Brian Atlasways you know I can only speak for women I only know how to protect myself as a woman I can't speak on how to protect myself as a man I'm not a man I mean that's a very mandra statement for you to say that you need to protect yourselves from men you're trying to

Eric (Osop)paint all men as like I didn't say I didn't say protect myself from men let's talk about the bear question then let me ask yall a question do you all think what's the opposite of misy mandry mandry so is the view mandre is what

Eric (Osop)view the view it's a show called The View is that a mandra show oh I've never seen it have you heard of it wom so y never heard of the show that come on with whoopy goldber and all the women so you would [ __ ] you think that's a mandra show yeah I saw I mean I saw a

Eric (Osop)little bit this morning the only other podcast do you think women's today's rap are you familiar with cardi B and these Magnus stallion do you think their music is mandress no why not well I don't know the words but do you think their music

Ninayis Mand similar in how ways uh men speak down on on women you know I've seen it on both sides so so do you think their music is mandre cardi B Megan stallion not do is

Eric (Osop)their music M Andress yes or no wait why do you think it is asking you I don't I'm just asking you do you think their music is Miss andrees I did this speak from a position where it's they're talking down to men oh like saying like

Eric (Osop)[ __ ] these [ __ ] or something Fu and get some money we got we got say that word but um we got to stop using that word so you don't know if their music mandress when they make music about you know F him if he ain't got no money like

Eric (Osop)regarding like this like dismissing him to a financial like y'all sex like y'all say we sexually objectify y'all do you think their music economically objectifies yes so is that can that be

Brian Atlasconsidered Miss Andre um I don't think so of course not so okay going back to you you said that like I objectify women how do I objectify women what do you say the

Brian Atlaslebia how would that hold on how would that actually be objectifying women you going to just look at yourself in the monitor or you going to respond um I don't know what to say

Brian Atlascoming wait what was what was the question again I'm Prett well when I asked you how have I been misogynistic and you're like oh you objectify women let correct it you've been perfect okay well you said I was misogynist how you think I'm she

Eric (Osop)concedes the argument though she pointed to me though I don't like arguing why you think I'm why you think I'm a sist I forgot what you said now but I had it earlier that's the thing see my thing is

Eric (Osop)with y'all it's like y'all y'all the issue is this women y'all come to these conversations cuz I do I've done panels with a lot of women y'all have these preconceived notions of what you think

Eric (Osop)you know and then when a man has the information to counter it you say stuff like well I don't have all the data so why the [ __ ] are you defending something that you're unlearned about that doesn't make we were going to be talking about I'm talking about in generalities cuz

Eric (Osop)whether you knew I don't I could be I can come to it for example he could say Brian could say hey we talking about dating tonight but I still might have he might throw me a question about something that has nothing to do with dating I still might have an answer for

Eric (Osop)it so whether I'm prepared to talk about it tonight or not doesn't mean I don't have the data for it if if you're so concerned with women's rights if you're con so concerned with the diaspora between or the disconnection between what men can do and what women can do

Andrew Wilsonyou should have that information readily available to your mind if you're always talking about you're in defense of there's another thing another thing to think about here was that you guys brought up statistics not us so after

Andrew Wilsonyou brought up statistics I clarified the statistics I didn't use them to even make an argument just clarified what the statistics were in this case the claim

Andrew Wilsonhang on I'll give you the exact claim the exact claim were was how many women were getting abortions due to sa that was your claim and so you said that's

Andrew Wilsonwhat the statistics back so all I did was clarify the statistics didn't use them as a weapon just clarified what they are how's that M I'm not I'm not saying like the status was making it like misogyny I'm just saying y'all have

Peytoninformation to back up your arguments and we don't and I feel like knowing that and inviting us and not telling us what we're going to talk about is it's it's not fair like let me not say oh that's misogynous but it's definitely not fair and I feel like the arguments

Andrew Wilsonthat we're talking about circulate around misogyny well if let us assume for a moment this is true I think it makes PL sense let let us assume for just a second that in every single show

Andrew Wilsonthese same exact questions are asked over and over and over again because hang on CU that's what happens and now let us assume again that there's like oh

Andrew WilsonI don't know over 150 episodes that you you could go watch isn't your failure of preparation even though these questions are asked every single panel for every

Andrew Wilsonsingle panel that comes on isn't the failure of preparation there on you and not on the panelist there's no question you've been asked that the every single other group of women isn't asked because

Eric (Osop)y'all judging the show based on Clips so why don't you do your due diligence to see the whole show because you made a you you've made conclusive statements on Clips you've seen but you haven't done your due deal to see what the whole show

Eric (Osop)is about so that to me leads back to what you claim as um misogyny as you're not prepared to defend what you believe you're just following a preset of of thinking that you never really did your

Eric (Osop)due diligence on and then when you're challenged on it you play victim like if you don't know about something stop defending what you don't know learn it that goes for male female I'm not even

Andrew Wilsonas concerned with that as I am just what I don't understand is every single panel of women who comes in the same questions are asked of them every single one

Andrew Wilsoneverything from the rating scale to the bow video to all of this every single panel that I've been now I've been on 76 times I think every single one that's

Andrew Wilsonthe same questions asked to a different panel of women if that's the case then you at least have the last 70 something episodes to choose from to do just a modum of research how could that be

Andrew Wilsonblamed on the host I'm not blaming the host personally well I mean but who should you be blaming you should be you should be blaming you right you're unprepared

Brian Atlasto have a conversation you're unprepared to have a conversation you have 70 episodes to choose from I'm hurt listen can you scre to the table a little bit um okay we're going to move on to the next thing what

Brian Atlaswould you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband here we go minimum a million what's

Brian Atlasideal A Milli ion minimum what what would be ideal oh hold on multi-million it's okay okay all right have you ever dated a guy who makes a million dollars

Brian Atlasa year mhm yeah how did it work out he cheated on me I bet he did uh and then what about you I said 80k oh but I said 40,000 all right you put

Ninay50,000 here uh what about you I think I answered this question stating um it depends on our Liv on what I did choose what do you want the lifestyle to be okay so you want kids that changes yeah

Ninaythat changes how many kids do I want I how I am accepting U what life has for me what God for me do you want to stay in Southern California no okay all right

Brian Atlasum what about you 300 kid is good but a million would be better yeah you wrote Millions but 300,000 plus depending what

Lilyyear it is so like if you time travel back you want to go back in time or what depending like what you're I get married like obviously money is not going to be the same value when I'm older do y'all

Eric (Osop)know the percentage of people that make that amount of money a of people but so you would rather bypass you would rather take a a roll of dice on a one in a million chance for a life partner than to give someone a chance that may be

Eric (Osop)workable I just want to know how y'all I'm workable depending on the life she said 300,000 80k that's I ain't mad at that 80k is less money Mak and you said a million you I think you just playing

Lilythough you ain't serious no I'm serious you going to be seriously by yourself wait till 1 million and then a million if like if I meet him and he doesn't have a million dollars yet but he

Eric (Osop)strives to make a million right like that's fine why does he need to make a million or like 3 he wants a high value man and he's going to do him a high

Eric (Osop)value man is y'all crazy y good luck man life go teacher life will teach you so you think it's like impossible for a high value man to not Che I could jump off this bridge I could off this building land on my feet it's possible

Eric (Osop)but is it likely probably not so if y'all want to keep banking your life on a dice roll you have the right see I'm not one of them dudes that tell you you shouldn't do this do what the [ __ ] you want just know what you're asking for know the probability and the likelihood

Eric (Osop)you have a small window to have children and be this beautiful woman you want to roll that 15-year window on meeting the millionaire and expecting him to focus strictly on you in the world where all

Eric (Osop)women want his money good luck well I'm not saying he needs to be a million now but he shouldn't why no man needs to be a millionaire to get a woman y'all need to lower your your value I know you attractive and all that

Brian Atlasbut that don't mean you deserve a man with doesn't this tie into the conversation we for money yes cuz money is doesn't make a man this ties into the conversation we were having earlier about like uh do women need to lower

Brian Atlastheir standards or do men need to step up and it's like you got women who want a guy who makes a million dollars that's like a point on What's the I mean it's definitely less than 1% it's even less

Eric (Osop)than that it's a a guy who makes a million dollars that's like and y'all keep y'all this is one another thing y'all don't respect a man's Natural Instinct so men are naturally polygamist

Eric (Osop)naturally they tone that down for you so once a man is empowered financially the more money a man has the more financially his to he becomes the more access he have that brings his nature to

Eric (Osop)the surface so you trying to tone down a rich man and you want him to strictly deal with you you don't understand man at all and when you and when y'all evaluating your mates you're not takeing

Eric (Osop)into account the natural the Natural Instincts and nature of a man at all you're assuming naturally a ho I believe that's not a hoe though that's the truth that that listen nothing how is it a ho we you go [ __ ] 100 we're not talking

Peytonabout just [ __ ] we're talking about just men are natural polygam multiple women there's going to be some STDs and all type of in that mix that's not guarant but that's not it's

Eric (Osop)called getting checked y act like it's a it's guaranteed to get something by being with people you can get checked and find out so let's stop acting weird like that's impossible you can find out what they have and deal with them but

Eric (Osop)what I'm saying is regardless of how you feel about it a man is not naturally polygamous nowhere in nature it ain't got nothing to do with you just said he was polygamous I said he's he's I mean he's not naturally monogamous excuse me

Eric (Osop)nowhere in nature is the male species monogamous and nothing about his biology makes him monog monogamous even you take sex out of it men often times have positions and be in positions where they're benefiting the many like you'll

Eric (Osop)see a minister he talks to the whole congregation a lot of women have put their emotional and mental trust into this one man that's still a polygamous situation it's just not sex is involved

Eric (Osop)so men are just naturally doing for the many that's why a man can have 20 women pregnant while you sit down for 9 months and be with that one child so y'all keep comparing yourselves to men it's just not the same thing men are not naturally

Eric (Osop)monogamous and the more you Empower a man the more likely he's not to be especially in today's time we know most women just running for his money why the [ __ ] would he just pick one of y'all so um so that man so that man that sat and

Peytongot 20 women pregnant he's not a hoe not if he can take care of him no if I got if I'm if I got $80 million crazy if I got a $100 million and I want Nick Cannon has all the money has 12

Eric (Osop)different families and those are 12 broken homes and 12 women agreed to the [ __ ] because why they most hey that's that's your group but most women put value of money over their bottom line they you even said you said

Eric (Osop)hey if he got a couple dollars maybe so money that says something about women if a man could get you to lower your standards of being a woman for money that says more about you than him cuz you ain't got to take the money you

Eric (Osop)taking the money because you rather have money than be a respectable woman now if I'm taking care of all them kids how am I her I got 20 like Cam Newton all them kids live with him some of them was boring at the same time so that meant he went to [ __ ] one lady one day and then

Eric (Osop)the next the how is that making him a bad parent to lead them kids I didn't say nothing about parenting I said is he a hoe and you said no that doesn't make them a ho mean I don't think that makes you if they agree to it how do you a hoe especially if you can take care of them cuz you could be a ho there a lot of men

Ninayout here not taking care their I'm not talking about just a random not going to be able to take care of all those kids who polygamist not um because it takes no effort for you to get sex you don't

Eric (Osop)have to do nothing you don't have to be smart you don't have to be you don't have to be accomplished you just have to be appealing physically a man has to have something or just money to get a

Eric (Osop)woman to give her his body so he has to acquire some type of skill set that y'all don't have to do so when a man has multiple women he's acquired some type of Attraction a lot of y'all don't even like a dude who don't got a girl so y'all like when it's like you see a dude

Eric (Osop)walking down the street with a a regular looking chick that's not attractive you might overlook him but if you come down the street with Rihanna you going to look at him a little different so y'all are even attracted to Men Who attract other women I don't know about y'all but

LilyI mean yeah some women yeah okay but also if a man does have money but he's lacking like personality character values I don't think I would be attracted to him oh yeah so yeah not

Brian Atlasonly does he have to make a million dollars he has to be tall good-looking single I put any all these other like he money so it don't matter he's got to have personality personality what does

Destinywhat does that mean to have personality a million dollars come on swart that's money that's all right it and you don't know what I have wait what you work you

Eric (Osop)got you you make a million dollar a year I have you have yeah doing what YouTube having my own clothing brand having my own podcast YouTube that's cool but this

Eric (Osop)the thing we don't care about that [ __ ] so woman mil you ask her a question no no I agree but I'm saying but that's 700,000 high value women right here I

Peytonmean woman we don't care about your money yeah men don't care about your success I hope they don't but he he asked a question he asked a question so don't say oh I just ask how much she response after so I don't care about it

Ninaybecause it doesn't make you more attractive that you I'll explain it I was asking question she didn't care about massing because we don't care that you make a lot of money that's not because we answered the question that you ask

Eric (Osop)and then you going to refute it oh we don't give a [ __ ] any no because she said it as if that makes her deserve a man who makes1 say [ __ ] the right answer it's no wrong all right answer I got this I'll explain

Brian Atlasthis she said she makes a million dollars I was asking huh made yeah and then I was asking how many subscribers she has because if she was like oh I have like 5,000 subscribers I'm like there's no way you're making a million

Brian Atlasdollars on YouTube with 5,000 subscribers MH that's why I was asking it wasn't to like dunk on her and be like

Peytonshe no but you guys multiple times we don't care we don't care I agree I know men don't care but it's like that's not what I think y just I think I think tone

Eric (Osop)and delivery just rubs y'all the wrong way so you think oh he has to hate women I don't hate women I think women are beautiful I just think a lot of your Concepts about men it's just a little off and the things that y'all think we

Eric (Osop)value we just [ __ ] don't we do not care that you make a lot of money that doesn't equate to you being a great mate a man will take a girl that's working on a fries who's sweet and treats them right and not materialistic then a Badd

Eric (Osop)who 100,000 a year I'm telling you how men think you believe it if you want but this is what it is we don't care about how much money you make that doesn't increase your value I agree with that oh okay so hey we good okay all right uh

Brian Atlaswe're going to get into the next topic then uh give me just one sec guys one moment here uh we have let's

Brian Atlassee uh this is this is Eric's favorite topic uh this is only for you Peyton Peyton the question is can people be racist towards white people to which you

Peytonsaid no yes and um oh my God okay so can I argue with you but from Facts from my

Peytonphone um she give she wants a Lifeline let's give it to her you want us to yeah whatever whatever you want whatever faction I actually I saved a tweet that I wanted to bring up today can we search

Peytonwe can search for it it got some data attached or just someone's opinion it it was like a thread that did that's why I'm like but I don't have like it to show you guys I could pull it up real quick but so just uh how about this

Andrew Wilsonlet's define racism first okay you want to Google it like Google R I'll tell you guys like my any stats you want I'll pull them up for you okay

Peytonso all right racism by the dictionary definition um okay actually there's here's the thing there's personal racism and then there's systemic racism which

Peytonleads to oppression of a race you can have personal racism which I feel like Tech to me I feel like technically black people can't be racist because we don't have the power to actually be racist but

PeytonI do think we can be Prejudice we can stereotype we can have we can have issues against people of other races that's not right at all that's just hateful and discriminatory that's hateful and discriminatory so in that sense I don't

Peytonthink we could systematically be racist because we don't have the power in the government in the world to do anything about it we are the most oppressed race so that's so you saying we could be racist on an individual level but we

Eric (Osop)can't be systematically racist yes and I agree with that that's what I be saying should I give the should I do the Obama hypothetical she she answered it right though most people don't say that she she's right I agree with that but I'm I'm just saying like Tech technically

Peytonspeaking like when I think of personal racism I don't think like oh I'm being racist to somebody that's a different race I just think oh I'm being Prejudice oh I'm being racist racist is racist wait can I ask a couple clarifying

Brian Atlasquestions um excluding white people from the from this question um can there be racism between other minority between minority groups yeah yeah like for example can like a Hispanic be racist

Brian Atlastowards a black person yes can the Hispanic be racist towards an Asian person yes can a black person be racist towards a Asian person technically to me

PeytonI would say no but in in a sense of discriminating and being Prejudice and stereotyping yes can can a black person be racist towards a Latino like I would just say the same

Peytonthing that I just said how about this can black person be uh racist towards a Native American yes I mean I'm I'm thinking but when I think of native americ well I guess that's technically not

Eric (Osop)blacker but why do you think it's different though racism is racism CU system okay okay never mind then Native Americans are not black why why do you why do you keep saying yes and no for

Eric (Osop)different CU if racism is just racism systematic racism is good is when you're preventing people from upward Mobility right but if I'm being racist to a person is still racist I just don't have

Peytonsystematic power behind it but it's still racist because when I think of the dictionary definition the dictionary term of racism I think about the fact that it includes the word power when you look it up on certain

Andrew Wilsondi that's why I said if y'all want to pull it up but some places have it written differently just Google racism definition let's start there I'm willing to to kind of just grant this just for

Andrew Wilsonthe the sake of argument that the idea here of power for for instance can you tell me what power you think the average white person has in comparison to the

TTS/Chataverage black person um more freedom to do what live your best life like I what

TTS/Chatwhat they're all me PA donated $200 yay black people have never been president or on the Supreme Court or in Congress or on a company but truthfully speaking the president doesn't really

Brian Atlashave that much power so even when Barack Obama was president like that didn't really help black people wait Andrew I'll let you have the back and forth I do want to since she brought up Obama I'll just give the the hypothetical

Brian Atlasquick him so okay Barack Obama when he was president this is hypothetical uh let's say he was looking to hire a janitor for the white house uh and but

Brian Atlashe refuses to hire a janitor because the janitor is white is that racism you he refuses I would some

Peytonpeople will say that's racism I would I say that's racism no I feel like that makes you yes is a yeah it makes you Prejudice it makes you I was I would say that's more so like a hotep a hotep what oh come swe

Peytoncome on don't do this I don't I don't know what that is that's racist but I it's it's like the white supremacy it's like the black version of white supremacy but no but okay is it racist

Peytonthat's not true is it hold on but is it racist yes oh okay it is it's not but it's Systema to me it's not systematic because that's

Peytonjust one instance and that doesn't represent all the black you're right but you racis actually from the way that you guys are going to take it I'm going just go ahead and give it to y'all yes but to push back to you Andrew real quick I

Andrew Wilsonjust want to make sure I just want to make sure I get this right if it's Power Plus Prejudice then you would need to show me what the Aver how the white the average white man uh versus the average

Peytonblack man how the average white man has more power than the average black man I mean honest how the I did have my thread saved I have my thread saved but y'all won't let me get my phone I could tell you I will say this the white man has

Eric (Osop)the power of perception over the black man in other words if a person from random Walk of Life would see me walking down and see Andrew walking down most of

Andrew Wilsonthe time even black people they will assume higher of the white person more than the black person now that's not your fault personally not hang on that's not that's not power though you're alluding to I say power of perception

Andrew Wilsonyeah but but you're alluding to privilege then if that's the case then that would mean some that would mean that women were more powerful than men because they're perceived as being less threatening than men are that's true that's what you're

Andrew Wilsonutilizing as a perspective of that's what you're utilizing as a perspective of power then you would have to say that women actually have power over men and so therefore I believe you do especially when it comes to being beautiful and

Peytonhaving pretty privilege women do have a lot of power over men you will see men giving all their money to women because I need you to actually listen to what I'm saying first before you respond because I don't think he actually hurt me I want you to actually think about

Andrew Wilsonthe entailment of this if you're saying that the perception of being privileged in society equals power then this would mean that women actually are oppressing

Andrew Wilsonmen because they have the perception of privilege do you agree with that no okay well then that's the entailment of your position so it makes no sense I just

Andrew Wilsonfeel like race versus gender is like two separate different oppressed groups no but they're but we're not talking about that we're talking about power power is the delineating factor so if it's Power Plus Prejudice Power

Andrew WilsonPlus is two different things to me yeah but Power Plus Prejudice is racism I say how plus Prejudice is racism I hang on hang on just stop for 10 seconds okay

Andrew Wilsonbarely said a word to you tonight just 10 seconds that's all I'm asking okay if it is the case that you say it takes Power Plus Prejudice Power Plus Prejudice that

Andrew Wilsonequals racism and I ask you okay well then how is it the average white person right has more power than the average black person you say well it's due to the power of perception because white people are are perceived as being less

Andrew Wilsonthreatening than black people if that's the case why wouldn't we extend this also to the opposite sex and say well if you're perceived as being less of a threat how is that not power for you that's true

PeytonI just feel like I I see what you're trying to say but I still think it's two completely different comparisons like I I don't think comparing race is is the same to comparing gender personally especially as a black woman that's not

Andrew Wilsonan argue I know they're different things or different so I just can't I can't see that I can't see how you're trying to make that parallel for me like yeah but anytime you make a comparison if if I was going to say what does that fruit taste like right I've never tasted it

Andrew Wilsonbefore what would you compare it to the same fruit or a different fruit

Andrew Wilsona different fruit a different fruit that's how you make comparisons you make a comparison between one thing to another thing so that you can draw an analogy so that we can understand the point of view but if the point of view

Andrew Wilsonis Power Plus Prejudice I'm willing to grant that Viewpoint from from your view if that's the case though you need to also grant that Viewpoint towards gender Norms because if it's just power uh

Andrew Wilsonequals uh being less threatening then you have way more power than men as a black woman no I would not have more power than a white man but or she's still less threatening than a black man perceived do less threatening oh wait is

Andrew Wilsona is a black woman less threatening than a black man yes perceived yes L threatening so then that would be power it is power saying to the white you're more powerful than the black man huh so

Andrew Wilsonthat black women are more powerful than black men and black women also have privilege on par with white men because they're perceived as less threatening when we're talking about perception I I

Peytonsee what you're saying yes I would say that the black woman is less um yeah I would say that the black woman's perception is going to be viewed as more safer than the black man's perception

Andrew Wilsonbut when we're comparing a black man to a to a white man I do think no I'm not now now I'm comparing a black woman if a black woman is perceived as being less threatening than a black man and a white man is perceived as being less

Andrew Wilsonthreatening than a black man then aren't both of them in a privileged situation yes I oh wait wait wait the black woman and the white manac towards white men can you repeat

Andrew Wilsonthe last part I'm sorry yeah then I don't understand how it is that white men can't be uh you can't be racist towards white men if the perception is that you're less dangerous and the perception of them as they less

Peytondangerous why then you're on par with power systematically speaking I just don't believe that black people as a whole entire race can oppress white people like I just don't think that's

Peytongoing to happen that could ever happen because we were the ones who were slaves in shackles and that is something that we still see you know we still see

Peytonnegative effects of Slavery to this day and to me I just feel like it's it's it doesn't compare I see what you're trying to compare like uh just like just like

Andrew Wilsonwhite men who were taken by barbar Pilot Pirates and were enslaved and uh various how has that affected y'all to this day

Andrew Wilsonsystematically to this day yes hang on hang on listen there's no when you talk about systemic racism the idea that because black people were imprisoned against their will they were okay or

Andrew Wilsonindentured servitudes they were that too so were the Irish so were the Italians so were many white groups okay that would also bleed over necessarily the whole idea of intersectionality that you're talking about is that we look at

Andrew WilsonKey group demographics to see who's the most oppressed based on what the problem is you have to take that all the way you can't just stop at one at one kind of like overview of Oppression you

Andrew Wilsonliterally have to intersect every idea in this case then we would have to do the same thing with gender and if it is true that you think that white people themselves are just perceived as less threatening therefore privileged you

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