RAGE QUIT?! Do Modern Women DESERVE Chivalry? They Would Date CEO Assassin Luigi? | Dating Talk #220

Date: 2024-12-11

Duration: 7h 30m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDestiny (Cannabis)>

MMorgan (DT220)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Background(audience)

SPEAKER_02Peyton(guest)

SPEAKER_03Lily(guest)

SPEAKER_04Morgan(guest)

SPEAKER_05Destiny(guest)

SPEAKER_06Winter(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Chat(audience)

SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_09TTS Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Eric (Osop)(guest)

SPEAKER_12TTS Voice(audience)

SPEAKER_13Ana(guest)

SPEAKER_14Ninay(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteBrian reveals it is the "final three shows" of the season and announces 50% off champagne pops.

“champagne pops streamlabs are 50% off the rest of the year”

QuoteEric says he first noticed Andrew when he saw him on stage with Fresh & Fit intellectually disarming a muscle-bound man, calling Andrew a "sigma type."

“I first heard of you... you kept your cool and you kind of like intellectually disarmed him”

ControversyWinter attempts Krav Maga choke on Eric. He escapes easily. She then kicks him in the balls. Major on-show physical incident.

“I could have killed and you hit me in my... real I mean in real life that's right”

QuoteBrian reveals he has been celibate from eating pussy since July 4th 2007 ("Independence Day" joke).

“It was July 4th it was Independence Day and I became independent of eating pussy”

QuoteBrian plays a video of his ex-girlfriend bowing deeply when he arrives home, with dinner ready and laundry done, as an example of an ideal traditional greeting.

“this is a video I took of my ex-girlfriend... huge bow... she got my dinner ready”

QuoteBrian tells Ninay: if she won't take his last name without a huge negotiation, he will stop opening her car door and paying for dates immediately.

“pay for your own shit until we're married... I'm never going to protect you... you can do all that shit yourself”

OtherDestiny (chair 1) falls asleep during the show. Brian calls her out for being high and disrespectful. She had left/been asleep for a portion of the later discussion.

“she Rage Quit she went to sleep... she came in high to the studio totally disrespectful”

QuoteEric (Osop) gives detailed speech about why men's standards for women need to be higher: "Men will sacrifice their happiness for their family; women will sacrifice their family for their happiness."

“men will sacrifice their happiness for their family women will sacrifice their family for their happiness”

QuoteAndrew explains that every Whatever panel is asked the same questions across 70+ episodes, so not preparing is the panelist's own fault, not a setup.

“every single panel of women who comes in the same questions are asked of them every single one... 76 times I think”

QuoteBrian challenges the misogyny accusation by asking Destiny for a specific example; she says the show just has that reputation but cannot cite anything specific from tonight.

“what have I said that is misogynistic... it seems like you view women as objects”

QuoteBrian announces Whatever podcast will take a 3-6 week holiday break. Final two shows announced (Sunday and Tuesday of the following week).

“we're going on break for anywhere from 3 to 6 weeks... final two shows”

ControversyWinter does a second physical demo against Desmond (large security guard). She attempts a double-leg takedown; he barely moves. Demonstrates the even greater gap between a small woman and a large trained man.

“she just... oh my God... he just stand there... she nearly went into the table”

Topics Discussed

Introductions & Relationship Status Round

Each guest introduces themselves with name, age, location, occupation. Brian then asks about college/education. Follows with a round of relationship statuses, longest relationships, who broke up with whom, and current dating situation. Peyton's situationship (on-off, no title), Winter's celibacy and 10-month man, Ninay's 5-year high school sweetheart, Lily's 6-month girlfriend and recent 3-date fumble are notable.

Luigi Mangione / CEO Assassin Attraction

Discussion of Luigi Mangione (UnitedHealthcare CEO killer) and why many women online were attracted to him. Brian shows CCTV footage, mugshots, and TikTok reactions of women simping. Panel discusses hybristophilia (sexual attraction to criminals). Andrew and Eric debate whether women enjoy violence inherently vs socially conditioned. Most of the panel would not date Luigi despite some finding him cute.

Male vs Female Violence & Dark Psychology

Continuation of violence topic. Andrew argues men innately enjoy violence as a survival mechanism; Eric counters that violence as spectacle is socialized not natural. Discussion of war monks, samurai, hunter instincts. Women's attraction to dominance and BDSM fantasies discussed. Panel agrees women have darker psychology than mainstream admits.

Krav Maga / Strength Difference Demonstration

Winter claims she could defend herself against a man with Krav Maga skills. Eric volunteers to demonstrate; Winter attempts a rear naked choke hold but Eric easily escapes. Winter then kicks Eric in the balls, sparking debate about real-world strength differentials. Andrew provides commentary. Later, Desmond (security guard) does a second demonstration showing even greater strength gap. Andrew's Crucible crew donates $1000 to Eric.

Self-Ratings (Looks Scale 1-10)

Gorlock the Destroyer (TTS donation) asks everyone to rate their looks. Most women say 10. Brian defines the scale: 1=ugly to 10=absolutely stunning. Discussion about whether every woman is a 10. Morgan gives herself a 7. Andrew gives himself a 9. Brian asks what makes them a 10 beyond looks. AI age-progression photos shown for laughs. Plastic surgery debate follows.

Standards, Hypergamy & Wage Gap

TTS question: should men step up or women lower standards? Most women say men should step up. Brian and Eric argue women's standards have inflated while their own value has decreased ("hoe-flation"). Minimum income expectations discussed ($40k-$1M range). Andrew's argument that men's motivation to earn is driven by women's mating pressure explains the wage gap. Discussion of controlled vs uncontrolled wage gap (1 cent after adjustments).

Chivalry, Traditional Dating & Modern Women

Ninay's Instagram bio as "female advocate" sparks discussion. Brian asks what women want from traditional dating (door-opening, paying, leading) and what they offer in return (cooking, cleaning, massage). Debate about whether women can simultaneously demand traditional treatment while rejecting traditional duties. Last-name debate with Ninay — she wants a conversation about keeping her name. Brian says traditional men won't tolerate the negotiation. Andrew uses "sassy flamboyant man" hypothetical to show double standard.

Women's Rights, Voting History & Abortion Debate

Ninay's female advocacy background leads to discussion about women's rights. Brian and Andrew use charts to show men and women received voting rights within ~20 years of each other and most of history had no universal suffrage. Abortion debate: Andrew cites 0.5% of abortions are from SA, 40% "not financially prepared." Brian raises male bodily autonomy (circumcision, selective service/draft). Ninay learns about the Selective Service card for the first time.

Race, Racism & Oppression Debate

Peyton says Black people cannot be racist (only prejudiced) because of power dynamics. Andrew and Brian challenge the "power + prejudice" definition, showing it would also mean women oppress men (less threatening = privileged). Eric adds nuance about systemic vs personal racism. Discussion of police violence stats (more white men killed by police than all women combined), college enrollment stats (Black women graduate at higher rates than white women). Peyton cannot definitively explain average white man's privilege over average Black woman.

Misogyny Accusation & Show Defense

Destiny and Peyton wrote "misogyny" as a show disagreement on their pre-show questionnaire. Brian challenges them to give specific examples. Peyton says she cannot remember the specific remark. Andrew points out all questions are asked to every panel across 70+ episodes and women could have prepared. Eric notes women hold preconceived notions based on clips without watching full episodes.

Age Gap Relationships & Commonality Debate

Is it wrong for a 30-year-old to date a 19-year-old? Most panelists say yes. Andrew argues men and women have almost nothing in common regardless of age gap and the "commonality" argument is weak. Debate about what age men would date down to. Winter says she would not date above 40 (she is 35). Ana says she would not put an age cap.

Roast Session, Super Chats & Wrap

Final super chats and TTS donations read. Bear vs Man question (most pick man). Viewers roast panelists. Andrew leaves the show. Makeup removal segment (some panelists take off lashes). Winter does second Krav Maga demo with Desmond (security guard). Body count reveals. Pegging discussion. Brian gives advice for men in modern dating (level up, meet in person, passport bro option). Show announced to go on 3-6 week break for the holidays. Final two shows announced for the following Sunday and Tuesday.

Body Count, Sex Timing & Relationship Dynamics

Discussion of whether body count matters. Panel's responses: Ana and others refuse to share. Winter says 3. Eric says under 60. Peyton explains why she makes guys she likes wait longer (doesn't want to lose them) but is quicker with casual encounters — Andrew calls this "faking virtue." Eric explains men's polygamous nature. How many times rejected vs rejecting. Ages when lost virginity (mostly 16-17). Peyton previously had OnlyFans with cute content only.

Transcript

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Eric (Osop)they meet a guy that's more articulate or know how to diffuse the situation more amicably they might attributed him as being soft like like I said earlier like the type of men that women date

Eric (Osop)often dictate how they view you as a man or or lack their of so I just think the media and just the mainstream culture has kind of clouded the mind of not just women being attracted to men but I mean

Eric (Osop)being attracted to those type of men but young men wanted to be those kind of men as well so I think it comes a lot comes from that yeah I have a I do have a bit of a different take I think that women

Andrew Wilsonlike violence just as much as men do I think they enjoy violence I think that um even when it comes to what they report when it comes to sexual intercourse they like it when men are rough with them they like to be

Andrew Wilsondominated they like uh they like those forms and so um I think that women enjoy violence I think that they enjoy the power Dynamic of violence I think that uh because of that there's an attraction

Andrew WilsonRoo tomasi talks about this he calls it the dark Triad traits whether or not that's true uh or not true what is true is that men and women both both really like violence we're really drawn to

Andrew Wilsonviolence we enjoy watching it we watch it we watch act action movies we like um suspense that has violence in it if there's violence in society we're we're enjoying it and that's part of uh that's

Andrew Wilsonpart of human nature and so I think that women who enjoy powerful men and often enjoy being dominated by powerful men uh are attracted to those

Eric (Osop)traits yeah I agree I think yeah I think you're right Andrew I believe women are darker than they let on and they're darker than Society tells us and like you don't know until you know like women

Eric (Osop)are definitely into a lot of dark I never most women I meet ask me to like be physical with them in certain ways when we intimate like they take my hand and put on their NE well what are the popular movies bro like like 50 Shades

Andrew Wilsonof Gray right uh various various things like this if you look at the handmaid's tail uh women report that they even have a rousel watching the handmaids tail

Andrew Wilsonwhere the woman is forced into a subservient role as a pregnancy Factory so the thing is is like uh no I don't I

Andrew Wilsondon't really believe this kind of idea of the princess woman who is just a nice Angelic being until a man comes along and corrupts her with his evil violent

Andrew Wilsonlunatic Tendencies now I think the opposite I think that women are just as prone to enjoy violence as uh as men are and uh in in some ways um they enjoy it

Andrew Wilsonan different way instead of being violent uh in in some ways they enjoy a domination that men do not enjoy from from other men so that's uh there's like a bunch of complexity here when it comes

Eric (Osop)to the intersexual Dynamics and violence remember that poll you pulled up um a couple weeks ago valid confirmed all of that I don't know if y'all seen it but we looked up uh well just look at the sexual fantasies that they have they

Andrew Wilsonhave sexual fantasies of being dominated sexual fantasies of think that go both way being essayed it's like it's it's insane like men don't have sexual fantasies of being Ed they just don't

Andrew Wilsonhave them ever uh but but definitely that's high on uh the scale for a reported sexual fantasy for women so I I do think that they uh they do have they are attracted to this and I think that

Andrew Wilsonit has to do with power in many ways it actually makes sense a man who's extremely dangerous is probably a man who can really protect you very well uh so you could be very good at verbal jousting verbal combat something like

Andrew Wilsonthis and maybe defuse situations like you're talking about and perhaps there's some women who find that attractive but also let's just assume for a second that you can remove all of that so you go okay yeah this guy's really good at

Andrew Wilsontalking but he can't talk when it break his [ __ ] jaw right so the thing is is like ultimately it does come down to the idea of violence and I do think that there's an attraction level there for

Ninaywomen absolutely what you was about to say you was about to say something oh yeah I said I think it goes both ways like you guys St earlier that violence is a thing amongst Humanity both men and women like

Ninayit like to watch it guys like watching UFC fights and things like that and um I think women if we want to say like it in men

Ninayfrom our ways is from like leadership and like aggression and like stance submit as like a feminine piece I agree I I think I don't know T is on but I

Eric (Osop)think that people are drawn to competitive fervor I think the the the the love of violence is more societal induced than a natural thing I don't

Eric (Osop)think people just wake up and born to be drawn to violence I think people are drawn to who's going to win this competition who's going to win this argument who going to win I think we're attracted to the spectacle of conflict I

Eric (Osop)don't think that being um in love with violence is a natural inclination that we develop I think the society that we live in especially in America has desensitized us to violence and increased our love for violence I don't

Andrew Wilsonthink that's a natural thing in my opinion well I think the historic standard would disagree with you I mean violence has always been a way of life for Humanity and it's been a necessity men need to and here's the truth nobody

Andrew Wilsonlikes to to hear this but the truth is is that men have to kill each other they have to kill each other over resources they have to kill each other over women they have to kill each other over children over defense and sometimes it's

Andrew Wilsonnot even clear exactly who's right and who's wrong but ultimately it is a part of the nature of living that we used to have to kill for everything we just have to kill for food we and we've we we're

Andrew Wilsonactually remarkably displaced from violence and death so for instance you go to a funeral the bodies all prepared for you people used to have to prepare the the dead bodies of their kin themselves you don't have you go to the

Andrew Wilsongrocery store and the meat is all packaged for you you don't have to get into the violence of ripping an animal to Pieces quartering it salting it so that you can have it later in fact I

Andrew Wilsonwould say it's part of this desensitization to uh or people used to be far more desensitized to violence than they are now now you say well the media kind of um they show you the John Wick movie and thing like things like

Andrew Wilsonthis but I mean that used to be actually a way of life for people that uh you know the chances that you got through life without hurting somebody else actually weren't very good I I hear you but that's two different things I think

Eric (Osop)what you're talking about is a a survival mechanism where you might have to kill to eat that's one thing being attracted to with witnessing a spectacle of violence is not the same thing you don't need to do that I don't need to

Eric (Osop)watch people kill each other and beat each other up to survive now I might have to beat hold on I get what you yeah yeah go ahead I might have to beat somebody up to defend my family I might have to kill an animal to feed my family but the love of just watching violence

Eric (Osop)for the sake of violence I don't think that's natural and I think those are two separate topics I think the only thing in common is the act of violence but watching violence and seeking it out to watch it for recreation and using

Andrew Wilsonviolence to protect my life and livelihood are two different concepts I think I I have to give you a strong disagree so I used to think something similar to this until I started to dive

Andrew Wilsoninto the philosophy behind violence and the ideas behind it and ultimately the truth is is that people get don't have to get up in a tree stand anymore and shoot deer they don't have to do that

Andrew Wilsonfor any anywhere in North America they do it because they really like to kill right we do like the process of of the kill we like the process of the hunt we like the process of taking that down the

Andrew Wilsongame we like the process of standing over it with our foot on it and then holding the head up and giving that Predator Roar right men love that [ __ ] and some men like that every man don't like that may think that they don't but

Andrew Wilsonthey love getting in the boxing ring they love jacking each other's job men will beat the holy [ __ ] out of each other and then help each other up and show them the guy that they beat up how to do it better next time they'll get

Andrew Wilsoninto a arena with each other give each other concussions and shake each other's hands afterward and thank the other guy for the pleasure of getting their own face kicked in no man I I stly disagree

Andrew WilsonI think that men enjoy the process of violence that it's in many ways ingrained in us because it's necessary for the Existence and survival of humanity we've simply forgotten that and

Andrew Wilsonso instead we kind of say uh we demonize it in a way we demonize um rough play rowdiness uh men attacking each other things like this uh when it used to be very common place I mean it used to be common place when my dad was a kid kid

Andrew Wilsonin school that kids would kick the holy [ __ ] out of each other and the teachers would just come by and be like all right now that's enough of that there wasn't suspensions and jail time and this and that it was baked into the pie that men

Andrew Wilsonneeded to sometimes uh take care of that right that that's part of uh who we are and what we do now do I think you should be enslaved to those passions no but do I understand why there's an enjoyment

Andrew Wilsonlevel to the hunt an enjoyment level to the kill why that would be necessary for humans to have that yeah and so I understand why men uh and propensity for

Ninayviolence uh is is is somewhat ingrained inside of us yeah oh go ahead somebody want to say something oh if you got something to say no no go ahead um I would say like modern time give on like

Ninayletting out aggression yeah but I think like now compared to the hunt it would be like sports it'd be like we have like football you guys tackle each other all day um basketball um wrestling which is

Andrew Wilsona safer version of it that's more uh moderated but I mean kicking and like drawing blood from someone's quite crazy yeah see that's the thing the less

Andrew Wilsonmoderated it is though the more people love it so like yeah the UFC fight the cage fight yeah that's great but if you go to people pay big bucks to go overseas to watch bare knuckle fighting

Andrew Wilsonwhere they don't have those rules right where the violent overtone is even worse uh people love they love violence and the thing is is there's an ingratiation in men to enjoy the process of violence

Andrew Wilsonit's actually ingrained in us for the purpose of survival and I think that if you're in you know if if you ever end up in like a World War I situation where you're in the trenches or something like

Andrew Wilsonthis you find out real quick your capacity for absolute savagery is way way worse than you could ever have conceived of and um and that's why a lot of those guys don't ever like talking about that you know these kind of war

Andrew Wilsonheroes things like this uh it's not just the fact that they have to live with killing lots of people it's the fact that they have to live with the internal understanding that they were capable of things that they could never have

Eric (Osop)imagined they were capable of no I agree I mean I'm from nework New Jersey so I've seen people get murdered all my life so we not scared of that it's just that I think it's a huge difference I think first of all I don't think every

Eric (Osop)man think the same I don't think every culture has the same Natural Instincts um I think some cultures historically understood the need for I think when you become a highly developed person I know I know red pill men don't like the word

Eric (Osop)spiritual and awareness I know that I know that's a c word but I'm use it anyway I think you get to a certain level of Enlightenment as a human being you understand there's a time and place for everything and I think an an

Eric (Osop)involved person regardless of race realize that violence has a purpose it's not a way of life I think you use violence when it's needed when you need to defeat someone when you need to kill

Eric (Osop)something for survival but I don't think every man throughout the whole planet from every race enjoys the act of just murderous acts I don't think every man believes that I think some cultures do I don't think that's every culture that's

Andrew Wilsonjust my opinion I think we're in the luxury of we have this great luxury of civilization where we kind of we're we're so displaced again for these things like even basic death not having to prepare the bodies of our own loved

Andrew Wilsonones things like we're completely displaced from the process because of that it kind of screws our hard wirring up but the truth is is like why wouldn't it be ingrained in you to enjoy the process of violence if you had to kill

Andrew Wilsonanimals to eat right why wouldn't it be ingrained in you to enjoy that process if you didn't enjoy the process if you hated the process it would actually go against your own Survival mechanism no

Eric (Osop)that's not that's not true that's not true though because it's cultures that before they kill an animal they would take like let's just I'm going to use thank you they realize that this is a necessity I don't even want to use this

Eric (Osop)example but I like I'm going use it because it's simple let's go to Lion King He was talking to SBA and said hey he said he said those are the analou he said but Dad don't we eat the analou he said yes but but they it's all a part of

Eric (Osop)a circle of life it's a cycle so it's it's one thing to praise violence and it's another thing to understand violence is a necessity but it's not a lifestyle it's still a life that was given for us to live so it's not what

Eric (Osop)you do it's how you do it just because I have to kill to eat doesn't mean I enjoy to see the life go out of a one of God's creatures It's actually an interesting thing that you bring up like The Lion

Andrew WilsonKing for instance The Lion King is an attempt to replicate civilization he's a king in the C in a kingdom in a civilization where there's rules there's land there's borders there's honor

Andrew Wilsonthere's all this other constructed human stuff but here's how it actually is with lions they [ __ ] kill everything that they don't like that looks at them crossy and they tear them they don't give a [ __ ] they don't think twice about

Andrew Wilsonit they absolutely play with their food right and sometimes they'll just kill for the sport of killing they don't care absolutely and the thing is is that

Andrew Wilsonagain what Disney did there was at anth prom morphed these animals into a human civilization into a human cultural Kingdom where there's all these rules in society and this and that the truth is

Andrew Wilsonthough Lions absolutely enjoy the hunt humans absolutely enjoy the hunt people absolutely enjoy the the process of savagery and the process of violence because otherwise it would not be good for our survival it just wouldn't be

Eric (Osop)good for us honestly I I don't think humans enjoy it I think humans been programmed to enjoy it but the Lion King wasn't a documentary on lions they were just use Lions to portray a a a movie that affects people so it wasn't like it

Eric (Osop)wasn't a nature doc they were just using Lions to explain a human story it's really understand hold on let me finish though because you interrupted me it's based on the really the OS osian drama

Eric (Osop)which is an ancient Egyptian story scar represented set Mufasa represented uh Osiris and I believe uh Simba represented heru so really had nothing

Eric (Osop)to do with lions per se they just was using Lions to portray a ancient Motif so like I said we go we all come from different backgrounds we all come from different cultures historically and

Eric (Osop)current when we speak from our perspective and try to make it seem like that's everybody I don't think that's a productive perspective you can do it anybody can do it I just wouldn't do it because I know that there's a time in

Eric (Osop)most most most advanced people let's study the Asian Community most when you look at those monks you look at those Shing monks they will kill you with they bare hands but they some of the most peaceful people you can meet they tell

Eric (Osop)you that that discipline is not because we love violence it's a discipline for a spiritual more enlightened perspective to understand uh to to to enhance one's personal growth and in tun it with the

Eric (Osop)world around them they're not going around just beating the [ __ ] out of people when they probably the most violent probably the most uh well equipped men for violence but they don't walk around looking for that so I don't believe that everybody just enjoys to

Eric (Osop)see something bleed out I think some cultures do not everybody and it's proven that and the only reason why you see it so much today is because the dominant Society the culture that we live in that controls films that controls these things they try to keep

Eric (Osop)this country at a low vibrational State because more problems creates more profit for people that benefit from problems but I don't think people in their natural state get a a hard on from seeing blood drip out of somebody's body but some cultures do well it's

Andrew Wilsoninteresting that you bring up monks for instance because the idea of the warrior Monk Is as ancient as monom itself and that the process of Enlightenment can't even happened in many of these uh these

Andrew Wilsonforms of monom for instance Japanese monks who had a class of warrior monk uh and same thing with China that has a class of warrior monk they actually do not displace the idea that violence is

Andrew Wilsoninnately enjoyable only that these passions must be enslaved to work for you not that it's not enjoyable to kick the holy [ __ ] out of each other because clearly it is monks enjoy it and why wouldn't they enjoy it boxers enjoy it

Andrew WilsonWarrior monks have always enjoyed it the samurai enjoyed it Templar knights were a form of of warrior monk they also inside of their own codes talked about the enjoy how how violence is enjoyable

Andrew Wilsonfor men but how you had to enslave that passion none of these people rejected violence as being enjoyable only that you couldn't give yourself over to that enjoyment as a passion because if you

Andrew Wilsondid it would enslave you like any other passion would like gluttony would like greed would like any of these different things but that doesn't really make a good argument for you I think that violence is not something which men enjoy because it very clearly is is

Andrew Wilsonsomething we enjoy and the process of it is something we enjoy does that mean you become an enslaved to it no okay you could but the fact you have to though go ahead go ahead no no go ahead I'm sorry go ahead I'm sorry no no I'm finished I'm finished that's all I was going to

Eric (Osop)say no but I hear you and I respect it but like I said the fact that they have to temperate shows you that it's something that shouldn't take over you a lot of us have natural we we humans we got a lot of dark sides but that that doesn't mean it's supposed to take over you a lot of people like to have sex all

Andrew Wilsonthe time like is that cool you know what I'm saying so you have the temp yeah right but we would agree they like to have sex right so thing is like that's what's in dispute what's what's in dispute is not whether or not you should enslave yourself to the passion

Andrew Wilsonof violence or you should enslave yourself to the passion of sex uh what's in what's in what's in kind of uh what the argument here is is whether or not men the capacity of men is to enjoy

Andrew Wilsonviolence itself and it very clearly is and that that's that's what my point is is that it very clearly is so that men enjoy the process of violence enjoy the process of the hunt they enjoy the

Andrew Wilsonprocess of the kill they enjoy those things because it's it innately assists them with survival mechanisms and it innately assists women in survival mechanisms to knowe that the man who's really good at violence probably can

Andrew Wilsongive them maximum amounts of resources because why they can take [ __ ] from other men with violence right so there's there's many reasons why these intersexual Dynamics around violence are really important I just think that the

Winterthe process of it's very clear that men enjoy violence and women too okay okay so what I have to say is I've recently over the past like 10 weeks I've gotten

Winterinto Krav MAA which is based it's Israeli yeah it's an Israeli martial arts yes and it's based off of Defending yourself in real world events rather

Winterthan like martial arts fighting in a cage or something like that and there is something that's even invigor and that I love about it the fact that I'm I know

Winterif someone came and attacked me that I could likely handle myself well hold on and so to me that's like attra I'm 49 I'm 410 how much do you weigh like 100 lb when you say you could handle

Wintersomebody who like you're talking about like a woman I can pick up a 180 PB man and throw him on his back yeah I swear to

Brian Atlasyou I can take a knife from a guy I can take a gum from a guy yeah um wait so I mean maybe this it

Brian Atlasmight help you against a woman of like similar size or a really really small weak man 180 lb man even if he's untrained I

Winterdon't care how good your kma is you're [ __ ] but that's the thing that's the thing you get that guy on the ground right you knock him on the ground and then you either bail out of there cuz

Brian Atlasthat's safest think you can here wait Morgan you want you want to be a i no I don't want to hurt anybody oh she doesn't want to hurt anybody no I'll do it though it'll Hur I'll tell you right now that that

Andrew Wilsongentleman who's in that room with right now if that gentleman who's in the room with you right now could hold you down he could hold you down on the ground with one hand while still enjoying a hot bowl of soup and there isn't a [ __ ]

Winterthing on Earth you could do about it but there is tactical moves there is tactical moves where you can get out of things and and then bail and that's the whole point I think is get out I

Eric (Osop)appreciate your confidence but I think that a lot of hypothetical got to happen for you to get him in that position cuz not to be funny but you're you're small so if a man hit you hard enough it's a w

Eric (Osop)like you're not going to have a chance to even get to all that because of the initial force that he can use like you're smaller I could literally like just pick you up like this like so it's like you probably can do it if you catch me like in a position where I'm kind of like in a in like a vulnerable position

Eric (Osop)but if I have if a man got a square with you well hold on let's try it I'm not well here's the proposal here's the proposal we'll give her the best position we'll we'll let you sink in a

Brian Atlasrear naked choke hold on Eric who's that Eric right hello is that I didn't know was name was Eric hello Eric I'm winter going on so you have you want to Grapple

Brian Atlasso so no it'll be right here so here's the proposal you said you can have he's giving you the best position you have him in a rear naked choke you have his

Winterback you have his neck do you think he'll be able to escape from your choke hold yeah oh wait what so even with if he knows how he seems like he he seems

Brian Atlaslike he could do that have you done Brazilian jiu-jitsu or he has no training he's got zero training he didn't even take a karate K he didn't even take a karate class in [ __ ] when

Winterhe was seven I don't know nothing have you ever been in a fight of course all right I haven't I haven't learned that yet but I'm willing to give it a shot I'll do it you're like trained to do

Winterthat though do do you want to do it I mean you could try go ahead I I'll sit here go ahead don't choke me though she's going to put you in a choke hold I mean I don't think she I I haven't done this kind before but I'm going to I'm

Wintergoing to try to get the leverage all right don't hurt him I'm sit right here don't hurt him don't knock them out all right knock them out okay so you want to like mhm Palm it different don't put

Winteryour thumb like that Palm it otherwise you're going to hurt your thumb so I'm going to get you here

NinayW is this allowed what the N you can't do you're too little too little I got

Eric (Osop)it kick him with the face relax or the balls No don't kick him with the ball relax don't kick him with the ball stop it's over it's over

Winterstop you can't do it stop what are you doing no you told me stop it ain't over tell it's over you're not

Wintercould what the I could have killed and you hit me in my you hit me in my [ __ ] real I mean in real life that's right I [ __ ] did what the [ __ ] your first c m lesson was just free congratulations

Eric (Osop)that [ __ ] window you kick me in my [ __ ] bro what the I know she was going all that was that a lesson I know in my [ __ ] I don't know what made you do that cuz I was just playing with

Eric (Osop)you like you really kick me in my balls like I could really [ __ ] you I apologize but you told me that you said I I said don't choke me I gave you a chance but even with you all that [ __ ] you would

Ninayhave got killed right there JY you had no power and you hit me in my most sensitive region which one is it do you want her to put no I just don't hurt in

Brian Atlasa friendly in a I want her to show me going all the way not going all the way she did too much man but she still didn't do it though so doing too much but not doing nothing yeah if you're if you're sparring with somebody you don't

Winterhit them in the you kick me in my [ __ ] hard as hell [ __ ] is wrong with pretty scum yeah well didn't Escape you didn't Escape nothing you was was you told me

Andrew Wilsonstop like just you understand the second he stood up right look like a baby doll in his yeah I haven't learn hang on if he had wanted to and listen I promise if he had wanted to he could have peeled

Andrew Wilsonyou off and thrown you across the room with so much force as to have your soul have left your body instantly sorry about not you owe me she kicked me like bro hard as hell too and I ate that [ __ ]

Eric (Osop)so imagine if I just imagine if I really want to fight you like imagine if I really would have like swung you would have been done I don't even talk like that I got a daughter I got a mother I don't believe in violence I don't believe in hitting young women ladies we

Eric (Osop)don't do none of that [ __ ] I thought this was an exhibition but you kick me in my [ __ ] like if I I really wanted to hurt you you wouldn't have made it out of that room I'm telling you nobody in here would have been able to save you

Brian Atlaseither what the you almost got a hammer fist to the face too they stop you hear that you almost caught a hammer fist to the face but they stopped me yeah what if I would

Eric (Osop)have reacted a little bit I didn't do nothing but just get you off me with all that Crow Magnum whatever the [ __ ] you was talking about you was on your back why didn't you react because you're a woman and you're this big you're the

Eric (Osop)size of Andrew let's get you in on this we know you love this one about men and women you seen that Andrew you seen that if I wanted to hurt her what could she have done anything based on the position I had it in Len but what do you think

Andrew Wilsonwould it have been okay for that's why he laughing you could have got destroyed bro just so you know I need to dispel this delusion I'm going to tell you what happened I just watched the whole thing okay what happened is you used your

Andrew WilsonForce for a perfect position rear naked choke okay if I had that position on Brian for instance I could choke Brian out in seconds okay and most men could by the way if they had that perfect

Andrew Wilsonposition what happened is you had the perfect position he lifted you up off the ground and he stood up as easily as if he was picking up a small McDonald's Happy Meal okay he peeled you off of him

Andrew Wilsonand your arm strength was so insufficient that he was able to turn your entire body so you were in the front of him had he wanted to right then and there right using no punches kicks

Andrew Wilsonanything okay he could have just grabbed your body thrown you as hard as he felt like at the wall and that would have been the end of you you need to understand strength differentials

Andrew Wilsonstrength differentials are huge between men and women your C Mah only did you as much Service as he allowed it to do for you which was he was very kind very nice

Andrew Wilsonhe just he just basically peeled you off of him lightly and put you down has to make sure that you were in no way in no capacity harmed or hurt he was very gentle very nice right he was very

Wintergentle wear a cup on the whatever podcast I see what you're saying I I am under no delusion that I can't I can take on Conan the Barbarian you know but there

Brian Atlasis tactical moves like once it comes to the ground there's tactical moves where you can es you would have got killed in here man if if he got you on the

Ninayground no you're done so she stabbed him while on the ground or like or like kicked him in the balls like she was

PeytonAct was that full force I don't think that was full force it was not you think was

Eric (Osop)was and I wasn't 100% that was jumping up I didn't use anything delusion I didn't anything you use your best [ __ ] what if I really what if I would have

TTS/Chatgot mad I'm saying I'm saying evade through that wall on you went through that one sec

TTS/Chat$200 now this is entertainment a 90 crackhead trying to choke out a man La mouth oh wait wait we got something else coming yo Meto Matt thank you man hey

Brian Atlasyou did get we're about to get a little treat though because we got a little treat from our good friends uh champagne time it's champagne time I need a drink I need a the GU so you can ice his balls yeah

Brian Atlascan we get I give you some credit a [ __ ] or some [ __ ] [ __ ] up but not po champ thanks for that y W's guys

Brian AtlasW's in the chat for Eric W's in the chat for Eric this guy W Eric W Eric W Eric man listen W Eric in the chat [ __ ] I got to do for some champagne man iamp I got

Brian Atlaskick I got kick in the balls to get some sh pain around here this guy's going to lose a testicle for the whatever for the whatever podcast with K Jill over here

Eric (Osop)man you can I get paper towel but you got tenacity I give you that you got some tenacity she's she's uh she's tenacious she's I like her

Brian Atlasconfidence I like her confidence get a knife in a gun though all right boys uh can we get some actually we got Cuts here we're good a that was very

Andrew Wilsonvery uh disappointing do that without it coming out he didn't shake it or n it's really funny too Brian did you note that when when Eric stood up he stood up very carefully care in such a way as to not

Andrew Wilsonhurt anybody he repositioned her in such a way to not hurt her to put her down so that she didn't get hurt very very gentle let me tell you how this would actually work if I

Andrew Wilsongrabbed Eric behind to try to put him in a choke cold he throw his head back bash my nose in right and then we would be fist fighting all over the room and it would go very badly for one of us right probably me cuz he's much larger than me

Andrew Wilsonthe point is is that uh he was very gentle very gently very gently stood up very gently very gently put you down very

Winterkind of Eric he was at like he was like at his power level was like 10% I've been trading for like nine weeks man

Brian Atlasshe's new brand new hold hold on never I just got busy you're man hold on hold on no no no no no hold on hold on I don't care if you're the best Krav Mah the

Brian Atlasnumber one Krav Mah you got your blackbell and KV Mah and Brazilian jiujitsu in boxing and Eric here maybe he has a white belt in karate from when

Brian Atlashe was seven he's still killing you within 30 seconds cuz you got a I don't like he's bigger than you and he's a man and he's stronger than you sorry if you if you you got to think right when you

Eric (Osop)if this was a real fight soon somebody gets on my back like that I would have just got up and shoved myself backwards slamming you into whatever behind me so that so it would it would have been it would have been

Winterugly pass it down oh pass the bottle down very very gentle that's why it's like that wasn't really a real world scenario you know so yeah I feel like it was very KCK me in my [ __ ] I feel like

Brian Atlasit was that [ __ ] hurt crazy man absolutely crazy ridiculous my boy can take a shot though did he he he took a shot man he

Brian Atlasshot he took a me one oh okay she pass pass that one down for me wait what uh so mu thank you so much for the champagne pop W's in the chat for I

Brian Atlasdon't know if I'm saying your thing right it's m UI yee2 I'll just call you two so thank you for that man really appreciate the champ we need we desperately needed a

Brian Atlaschampagne pop especially after Eric he needs a little uh he needs this to [ __ ] that he needs uh alcohol to dull the pain uh and then this is going to

Brian AtlasCheers everybody hold on you don't you don't do you're not the [ __ ] host oh I'm so sorry not you lady godamn trying to steal my [ __ ] cheers

Brian Atlasshe Juiced up now stealing my [ __ ] bro okay who has the AL uh okay all right cheers to moy for the champagne pop and also cheers to stop oh my God cheers to

Brian AtlasEric's balls okay uh Salo sal sal Salo y funny you need that nice pack or anything are they no I'm straight man we

Brian Atlasgood okay all right well let's let's read a couple chats here the couple chats came through actually wait now we need we still need to talk about the whole 100 PB 49

Brian Atlasum it's 410 sorry sorry Sor sorry my bad 410 410 excuse me um wait do you think you could like you think you could like [ __ ] up what percentage of men do you

Winterthink you could [ __ ] up in like a One V one fight well it depends on what it was right like okay best case scenario what percentage of

Wintermen do I think that I could [ __ ] up with your CRA M skills uh even if I got even way better with KV

Eric (Osop)Mah black belt as KV Mah 10% than a men sounds a little more reasonable like I guess I think you [ __ ] a I think you beat a girl up though I think a chick

Brian Atlasgoing to have to have a long day with you I I mean you got two girls right now any girls here you guys no I would never unless they wanted to no only if they want to but she she will cook she will

Brian Atlasshe will kick you in the [ __ ] okay no I won't I mean that's different does that hurt to y'all when y got it hurt

Brian Atlasthan the tit getting punched in the tit you've been punched into the titty before yeah it hurts for like a while it was so long both titties it was like play fighting and like it just went

Peytonleft and boom I got hit kind of hard B man no no no no yeah play another girl yeah yeah yeah was it an uppercut or like a jab it was more like a jab yeah and it kind of like hit the it's like

Winterthere's this meat and that meat hurts titty uppercut oh Jesus no I feel like that's going to I probably wouldn't hurt with my Depends how old the Epic the chick is right like cuz it's like

Peytonboob's it's a part of the boob that's very very sensitive and I feel like the bottom it's not the bottom it's more like it's the siid yeah yeah yeah so like a hook you know a hook it hurts a

Brian Atlaslot more I see yeah it does there should be like a boob Boxing class where the just you're just punching the [ __ ] out of a giant a woman GI

Brian AtlasBBC I don't know all right I mean not crush crush like um ana do you want to go next or I'm okay Ana okay okay hang on hang

Andrew Wilsonon ladies can we get a round of applause real quick for Eric for being a good sport he was a super good sport good sport good sport round I apologize sincerely thank you you I sincerely apologize I think what happened there is like even when we cuz she kept going

Eric (Osop)when you said like chill chill chill y'all heard me say that was AA I said it was it was I said Chill real loud like I got it it's over I told her to stop back there you got caught up in the M I got a

Brian Atlaslittle bit CAU she saw red dude she saw red saw a red hat saw she saw red you wasn't doing [ __ ] do you think there was like a racism component

Brian Atlasoh choke him I don't know I don't know I know she kind of has a Southern accent I feel like there could have been like a racism oh no no saying I'm just saying

Andrew Wilsonyou know what I mean okay all right she went red she black out for I don't know I don't know it was a it was it was a little bit of what I would consider excessive force you know I could there could have been this

Andrew Wilsonelement I assault I was I just assault I think you might have been yeah have I been me too well you would you wouldn't be the first one oh [ __ ] I think you were

Eric (Osop)definit like if I was just a woman in Rage and that wasn't like that was like some 35 years of pen then you would have it felt different outome you know what I think what just happened what happened I

Winterthink that celibacy kick kicked in just now when she was whooping my trying to B my ass I think I had my leg around your neck I think it's time to get them cobw cleared out you just K the [ __ ] out that's what it was I think you backed

Eric (Osop)yeah I think you backed up I think I think you need your pipes cleaned up you got too excited like that [ __ ] was crazy that's crazy only on whatever man watch out you might get kicked in the

Brian Atlasballs you know what though do think ah never mind okay whatever um all right we have uh I'm going to let a couple chats come through we have Derek uh can you read this Morgan can

Morganyou see it oh yeah Lily fingerbanged a chick on live stream on the fish tank live reality show then kissed a guy contestant is this true that's not true but the second part is true the first

Andrew Wilsonpart why would they lie about the first part I don't know you don't it's not true though really okay yeah yeah ra Rachel's looking it up Brian she's looking it up

Brian Atlasgive us the Intel give us the Intel um what is what is that's like a live streaming show or something yeah it was on live stream show it's basically like competition it was a competition is that

Lilythat's Sam Hyde right yeah it's with Sam Hy Yeah Yeah so basically they have TTS too and like people will send chats and

Brian Atlasit'll just play in the speaker I it's like drama based okay interesting interesting uh that's kind of that's

Lilythat's cool rock and roll uh I don't know so you made out with the dude he made out with me what so it's non-consent okay no we made out with

Brian Atlaseach other but he kissed me first I don't know what that means but so uh was he he was another person in the house whatever okay what show was this it's called fish tank live it's on it's a

Brian AtlasYouTube show twitch it's a live stream live okay it ended that's all you did though is just make out yeah was it like because of a TTS or like you liked him or

Brian Atlasum no comment I know Eric can I ask you a question if like all that's on the table with a girl is just a make out would you

Eric (Osop)rather just not make out do you know what I mean yeah me yeah it depends if yeah unless I'm getting paid for this [ __ ] or something but um no I can't just kiss once I kiss it got something else

Eric (Osop)I'd rather just not like if a girl yeah I'd rather just oh you just want you just want to make out no no let me let me let me give context if we're dating and we like second date or whatever

Eric (Osop)first date yeah you know what I'm saying I could kiss you and that's nothing cuz we we going to keep hanging out but if it's like God forbid a one night stand and we just left the club I'm not about to kiss you like it's about to go

Eric (Osop)somewhere else but if we so you have sex with her if if I know that's all we doing because what the [ __ ] is we doing how you going to know if it's a one night sayand I mean you don't I mean cuz I

Eric (Osop)don't know too many women who meet a guy the first night go to his house and become wife husband and wife after that can it happen it can happen but is it likely no cuz I don't even know if I want to wife somebody that I met at the club and took home and laid down do I

Eric (Osop)really want to do that wife her cuz how many other dudes she did that with but if how many other girls you did that way I mean we ain't talking about I mean we it's it's different for men we had this conversation before I don't think it's the same now think there's I don't think

Eric (Osop)a man should just be with anybody so I get it but I don't think a man being with multiple women is the same as and I hope we ain't getting ahead of ourself but I don't think it's the same thing you know what I'm saying because it doesn't take a skill for you to be with Mad Men like you're pretty I'm sure you

Eric (Osop)can go up to random guys say hey you want to sleep with me he like sure we can't do that so we have to have personality we got to know how to talk we got to know how to dress Charisma it takes a little skill set to get women to have sex with you a woman just got to

Peytonshow up and it's pretty much going down I feel like it depends on what the guy looks like too cuz some girls would just throw it at throw the coochie at a dude just cuz he's really really fine and attractive in hand somewh has many so like what 5% of

Eric (Osop)men whereas like 50% of women could like be super Giga [ __ ] she's right but that's a real that's a small group of men small group and most women who go after men strictly for that in my

Eric (Osop)opinion they like kind of hoes for real they just got a reason to be a hoe because women a lot of women like to be hoes I'm going keep it a buck a lot of women it seem like today women who are

Eric (Osop)wives have the illusions of being [ __ ] it's like they they're jealous of [ __ ] like I wish men looked at me like oh he how like a [ __ ] it's like somebody wife and mother like you're kept why you want to be a ho so I think women a lot of

Eric (Osop)women secretly want to be someone's sexual object it just that if he has money it justifies that option more so than a dude that's broke so in other words you want to be a ho of all these dudes but if you're a whole for a broke

Lilydude you look goofy but if you're a whole for dude with money it look like come up but but you're still a hoe or you could be a hoe for a dude that's attractive word that's cool you could be a hoe for your dude so you wouldn't kiss anyone

Eric (Osop)unless you're going to have sex with them I mean if it's like for some some game show or some [ __ ] like I don't just kiss women I'm not kicking it with like I don't just have friends say you want to kiss like I'm dating them we we

Eric (Osop)already done dead [ __ ] so I never was in a situation where we just kiss to try it out like maybe in like some like some Middle School little fourth grade sending notee [ __ ] like I'm 39 years old like if I'm in a position of kissing somebody we done kicked it already so

Brian AtlasI'm going want to crack how about how about this one Eric maybe this is going to be a bit more kissing turn me on I'm sorry this could be a bit more palatable maybe for the panel cuz maybe a bit more realistic right maybe they can see oh well make it now whatever that's you

Brian Atlasknow fine I maybe they could just do make out but like if I'm hanging out with a girl maybe it's the like first time second whatever

Brian Atlaswe're just hanging out we haven't hooked up yet and like she says no to sex but a hand job's on the table hold up you just met her this the first date first date second date third date whatever we

Eric (Osop)haven't hooked up give me a date exactly so I can give you my full context cuz it matters third date second date it's all it doesn't all matter ladies it's all a difference right between first date second date and third y'all think it's a

Brian Atlasdifference between thee of okay third let's go third date and uh whatever we're making out and then like try to move things forward she's like no you're like totally cool and and but a hand job

Eric (Osop)on the table I'd rather just not get the hand job yeah me neither I don't like play sex I don't I could do that I don't want you to do nothing I can do for myself I can give myself a hand job so I don't

Eric (Osop)need you for that I need to do something that I can't do for myself and you know what that is if we going to play that game like I don't like playing that game we ain't going to [ __ ] around just's just chill but don't start touching on me and all that [ __ ] I'm M even a girl you've already hooked up with and I

Brian Atlasdon't know she's like on her period or whatever whatever it is she's like I guess I can give you a hand J I'll just be like nah I'm okay I'm good when she's on her period I think you got to you know beggar can't be choosy you know you

Eric (Osop)got to take something you know I'm saying I'd rather take some head too but a hand job hand job that's like some 88 [ __ ] n [ __ ] that [ __ ] they're so worn out by it with their own hand what would

Eric (Osop)y'all rather do y'all want a hand job or you want some you know f f yeah but they like girls I would rather head exactly see oh well yeah between that yeah it's it's the hand job for

Eric (Osop)them fingering his hand job for a woman and jerking us is I hate to get graphic but that's wait do you do you do that though what get let girls jerk me off no no give hand bro hold on bro wait what

Eric (Osop)that's a simple question got quickly yes or no if I'm into you I'm down for whatever I'm just ain't playing with your butt I ain't playing with your feet but if you my

Eric (Osop)girl yeah I'm going bless you you got to bless me though it's a two-way street this ain't no this ain't no one way yeah okay I got to be really into you though

Ninaydamn okay all right uh I'm going to get a l I'm sorry Mutual stream but that's like after you've been with somebody a

Ninaywhile a comforting thing like wait what you know each SE history you guys know do you do that Brian are you a uh deep sea diver TPC

Brian Atlasdiver he's not uh look I'm a fan of you said be you got a whole coition

Brian Atlasyeah look I got a I'm a fan of large uh large labia but uh yeah I don't do that large you don't eat coochie I don't do that you never have crazy I the last time I did it was during the Bush

Brian AtlasAdministration oh so you have done it a couple times and why don't you I did it a couple times 2007 I think was the last time he knows the date I yeah it was uh

Brian Atlasit was it was July 4th it was Independence Day and I became independent of eating [ __ ] I I grew up around some wild cats

Brian AtlasMan 8 [ __ ] what 88 man I'm from the Mean Streets of Jersey you didn't tell us are you in a relationship they did everything are you in a relationship

TTS/Chathold on lady techno Trooper donated $200 ladies do men need to step up more or should women lower their standards here Solutions Tech no we'll come right

Brian Atlasback to it just so I finish this up for uh what was your what was the question sorry I said are um are you in a relationship or you I don't I don't disclose my relationship status but I've had multiple long-term relationships okay yeah can't get caught

Peytonup I I don't speak weed talk so I don't know what you're talking about can't get caught up can you guys not you actually don't know can you guys speak English please I'm get that means like you don't

Peytonwant to get caught like if you got other like girls like you got if you dealing with multiple people you don't want to get CAU that was a PR answer like a PR answer yeah that was a PR answer I should have answered that when you asked no I have a really popular podcast in

Ninaystalkers and Deb threats so that's why so yeah yeah oh I'm going to take that same approach so no don't ask me that yeah yeah um but to that guy's comment

Ninaythough what he said oh I was going to bring that up earlier on like his about standards and stuff and I forgot what you said like word for word but it was

Ninaythe same thing too on like women stand he was like to lower um women's standards and I'm like no men just have low standards sometimes well here let me play one more time we'll get

TTS/Chatwe'll let everybody answer techno Trooper donated $200 ladies do men need to step up more or should women lower their standards

Peytonhash Solutions okay starting with you go ahead men should step up more mhm okay yeah yeah they definitely need to step up more I feel like from my experience men should step up more I mean we can

Ninaydefinitely meet in the middle like you know y'all step up and we wait wait y'all step up and then maybe be like okay like you know you're meeting somewhere maybe but in my experience as

Brian Atlasof right now men need to step the [ __ ] up sorry okay I'm doing way too much out here really okay let me step up okay you me do I get to answer that uh sure yeah

Eric (Osop)MH I think men need to step up the standards they set for themselves and I think women need to lower their standards all around the board definitely I think men need to stop stepping up for a woman step up for

Eric (Osop)herself you know what I'm saying like get your [ __ ] together for you not cuz you trying to get her and get like you should just make a lifestyle of just being the best you can be I don't think you should do it for a woman but I think women definitely need to like come down off their high horse I think y'all is

Brian Atlaslike way way in the clouds when it come to [ __ ] yep yeah I think there's uh there's this uh term that's being used called H flation and essentially uh

Brian Atlaswomen are demanding more than they have ever demanded and they bring less than they've ever brought you're the most promiscuous you're the least modest you're the most involved in sex work

Brian Atlasyou're the most degenerate but you expect I want a guy this tall who makes this much money who's this attractive who has this much Charisma who who's bringing all this to the table you still want the traditional treatment none of

Brian Atlasyall are traditional anymore it's just crazy and because of your guys' exposure to social media and dating apps because you can be an

Brian Atlasaverage girl and be dealing with an NBA player an NFL player uh famous rapper a famous a famous musician professional athlete actors whatever and be an

Brian Atlasaverage chick you think because you can sleep with you know some NFL some baller whatever one two three times that that's your league that's not your league the your league as women is the men that

Brian Atlasgive you commitment and the men that are willing to give you commitment you're ignoring them in your 20s so you can go [ __ ] all these other dudes who will never give you commitment that's the reality how do you not know the football player is giv commitment and they're

Ninaythey're up there too that's just that there's a l of standard wait what do you mean like you're saying the person that is in your role and in your league is who's committing to you what if the NFL football player that person is

Ninaycommitting to that person what what do you mean like so you're saying for me my league is whoever is willing to commit to me it well look if your league happens to be that you're a if yeah an NFL players I suppose that I suppose

Brian Atlasthat would be your league I think it's not there's plenty of women out there plenty yes plenty of how many NFL players there are it's like less than

Brian Atlas001 of the population but still is a lot a lot of not a lot of professional NFL players I feel like NL football no it's not it's a lot of professional athletes

Peytonlike in terms of options okay we're comparing it to the large scale of men in the world okay cool but I'm not talking about comparing it to the general population I'm saying

Brian Atlasthere's a lot there's 17 hold on there's 1700 1,700 active players in the NFL you think that's a lot are they all in the

Brian AtlasUS how many how many single how many single women in the US are there a lot more than that okay okay Millions but

Peytonnot all the single women want an NFL exactly want traditional man but the fact that but the fact women that don't want to put themselves in that scenario to be set up with guys like what percentage of what percentage of women

Brian Atlasif they had the chance with an NFL athlete for actual commitment you think like uh wouldn't take it just to be clear NFL players professional athletes they make good money typically they're in really good physical shape they're

Brian Atlaslike NFL that's like pretty much the highest status sport that you can play in the United States maybe basketball's kind of I don't know I don't know what they make more money than basketball than football players but football got

Peytonthe I think it has way it has a bit more status but feel like it's 30 to 40% women that wouldn't I would say 70 80 maybe even 90 that wouldn't that would or that would yes okay I'm saying

Peytonwouldn't I would wouldn't so you think most women would right yes I do think most women would but I feel like there's still a large am not a large I still like I feel like there's definitely still women that wouldn't like not everybody wants to sign up for that that's true but the fact that you

Eric (Osop)initially said that you felt like it's a lot of them cuz that's probably the type of guys you're used to probably dealing with and I think no no no no I'm not there nothing wrong with that I mean if you get if you attract dudes that get breed that's that's you but I'm saying

Eric (Osop)that a lot of women think that way where they try to magnify this minority of men and make it seem like no that's it's a lot of those guys it's not a lot it's just that that's all women want that's true and also there's for NBA players

Peytonthere's about 550 players total huh oh that's less than a for NBA for active active well yeah

Ninayactive players so I guess there's retired players too but so that means you're right men should step up their their um Step Up League because the ratio is one man to 10 to five

Ninaywomen that's why I think men are comfortable men are the problem you guys don't know your worth we know our worth but it's not the we know our worth low

Eric (Osop)our standards you so many more options got lower [ __ ] you have more you have less options than men it's just that you you women who are attractive are under the illusion of more options because

Eric (Osop)you're attractive for a certain period of time and you're young but the older you get you're going to realize you don't have as many options as you think since it's less men than women who got to be proven to who because even a dude who don't have his [ __ ] together got

Eric (Osop)more options than a woman who looks good and does have a [ __ ] together because the type this the problem the type of guy that women who feel like well I'm graduated I look good I got money they think they deserve a dude with money and perhaps but that dude feels like why

Eric (Osop)should I submit all of this energy to just you so you find yourself in this hamster wheel of finding the right guy because the guys that make the money have more options than you do because unfortunately most women want a small

Eric (Osop)list of guys the average guy is dealing with different a wide variety of women teachers single moms we got a wide range that we like y'all want one kind of guy and didn't want that kind of

Eric (Osop)guy to shut down all of his litness just for you so I think y'all need to low your standard thing like if you want it from me and I want it from you then that's where you guys move forward you know don't say that again like you're

Ninaysaying to shut all that stuff down if I want it from you then you should want it from me and that's where you move forward want what what you mean like shutting down all those options shutting all those you said like men have so many options and all these things wait hold

Eric (Osop)on you should shut that down I mean but our options of like when I said we got more options mean that we're we're willing to talk to different women not just the one that fit our perfect ideal mate y'all are bypassing everybody now I

Eric (Osop)ain't going to say y'all but a lot of women are bypassing every guy for this small Elite group of 15 to 2,000 men and then complain about it's no good guys no

Eric (Osop)you only want one kind of guy which mostly every other woman wants so why should he just pick you if I got 30 women who know I want if I like Chris Brown he know that most women want what

Eric (Osop)he wants so you think he's going to pick one why should I pick one when you want what I got your girlfriend want what I got like y'all make it harder for the man to pick one because you all want the same thing you're not willing to deal with a man for who he is a man is

Eric (Osop)willing to deal with a one for who she is you see men with women with children you see men dealing with women that's overweight I see a men that's dealing with a wide range of women regardless of that man's income I got a friend now that makes six figures he's dealing with

Eric (Osop)a woman that's she's okay but she treats him like gold he deals with her y'all will meet a guy that treats you great but if he ain't making enough money no I would not maybe you but I'm sure you know women like that I have an

Ninayexperience right now where his money ain't deal ain't enough for me to deal with him but he might fit but does he he fit your physical so I think I think no not even that I think when it comes down to people and their dating and like what

Ninayyou look for in a person yeah I am process of eliminating for when I want to settle down and when I want to marry and I'm trying to see what kind of person I want to be with well who's my partner right what are we going to teach our kids what morals do you believe in

Ninaywhat's your belief that kind of stuff too plays a big factor and I think that also process of eliminates it out that's true so this man just process of eliminating his ass out it don't matter if he make 10 times the amount I do and

Brian Atlasit don't matter the things he bought me if I don't like maybe what he stands for and how he treats me there's like no reason all right I'm going to get through more of the chats uh we got

MorganLucas here Morgan can you read this one yeah there's a few coming through one it's it's an uncomfortable truth but we all have this Dee rooted Primal Instinct

Morganof what Carl Jung called a Shadow Self see what also the World War II book ordinary men it's actually D dangerous for us not thank you Lucas for the

Morganmessage there's another one coming in um two to stick our head in the sand and not recognize our dark side and capacity for violence if slash when we reach a

Morgancertain Breaking Point or a specific um Confluence of circumstances okay uh Ana are you able

Anato read it this next one I think so one sec she could totally defend herself her attacker just needed to let her climb up onto his back and put him into a chill

Brian Atlascold first L paladins thank you for the message man do you have a response to L paladins uh I'm not sure what he means by the last part climb up on top of him and put him in a choke cold

Anaokay all right uh we got a few more go ahead Ana I'm very conflicted about women taking self-defense classes when delusion infects the mind too many Marvel comic

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