RAGE QUIT CRASH OUT?! She REJECTED 3 Billionaires?! Hater DEBATES Brian?! | Dating Talk #265

Date: 2025-10-20
Duration: 8h 04m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Hannah (NYU)(guest)
SPEAKER_04Sofh(guest)
SPEAKER_05Bella (SBCC)(guest)
SPEAKER_06Shay(guest)
SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Bri (Matchmaker)(guest)
SPEAKER_12Mahi (DT263)(guest)
SPEAKER_13Karina(guest)
SPEAKER_14Kennedy(guest)

Key Moments

00:05:57
IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves
00:44:24
Key MomentKarina's near-death cocaine OD experience: saw hell, heard God
00:52:24
Key MomentBri: turned down 2+ billionaires romantically
04:00:00
ControversySofh rage quits crying after conflict with Brian
06:36:00
Key MomentSofh reveals she fled a conservatorship situation and thought she was getting paid

Topics Discussed

00:05:57
Guest Introductions

8 guests: Sofh (tower climber), Bri (matchmaker who rejected billionaires), Karina (repo agent/born-again).

00:44:24
Karina Near-Death Experience

OD'd on cocaine, experienced hell (demons, torture), heard God's voice, became Christian.

00:52:24
Bri Rejected Billionaires

Turned down 2+ billionaires; money/status does not equal happiness.

01:39:00
Career vs Perfect Man

Would you marry a billionaire or pursue career? Extended debate.

04:00:00
Sofh Rage Quit

Sofh cries and leaves after conflict with Brian over show format criticism.

Transcript

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06:54:38
Brian AtlasChristian. >> You said you would do it or >> Yeah. Oh, okay. So, this is just for you then. >> Uhhuh. Go ahead. >> Uh, so you you're a Christian? >> Yeah.
06:54:49
Brian Atlas>> So, what does it say? Uh, should wives o in the Bible, right? Um, you like to cite to religion? I will cite to religion also. The Bible does tell wives to what? >> Sub.
06:55:03
Karina>> Submit. >> Obey your husbands. >> Yeah. >> So, if your husband said, >> "Hey babe, I'd like you to bow for me. Why would you not do it? >> Well, I would hope that he wouldn't ask
06:55:15
Brian Atlasme that, but if he did, I I would have to if he was my husband. >> So, you >> But I don't feel like God is going to send me someone that's going to make me bow to him. >> So, God will only send you a husband
06:55:27
Brian Atlaswhere there's never any disagreements, where he just agrees with you 100% on everything. >> I don't think that God the guy that God has for me is going to make me bow before him.
06:55:38
Hannah (NYU)I think also it says submit to your husbands as Christ does the church. It also says submit to one another. And it also says that husbands should die for their wives as Christ died for the church.
06:55:51
Brian Atlas>> Yeah, it does say that. Um, >> if you look at it in holistic content, >> well, I'm not so the final part you said there. Yes. I'm not sure about the submit to each other thing. I'm not sure entirely the context to one another.
06:56:04
Brian Atlas>> I'd have to see the actual Bible verse. And I'm not a the I'm not a theologian, >> but there are specific So, okay, who submits to who? Does the husband submit to the wife? >> In a biblical marriage, does the husband submit to the wife?
06:56:17
Brian Atlas>> No. >> It's a submit to one another. >> No. I look, I'm not going to argue that specific theological point, but from a Christian perspective, Christian worldview,
06:56:28
Hannah (NYU)>> the the wife should be submissive to the husband. It does not go the other way. It also says that he asks you to do anything that >> goes against what God asks you.
06:56:40
Hannah (NYU)>> You're not allowed to go against what God says. So if he's asking you to do something immoral >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Of course. Of course. Just to be clear. So if you're a Christian, >> so he's supposed to have this positive
06:56:52
Brian Atlasview and >> only ask good things of you as God would the church. >> Sure. Sure. Of course. uh whether it's biblical submission or even regular
06:57:03
Brian Atlassubmission in a secular relationship, if your boyfriend or husband says, "Okay, well, we're I'm dominant. You're submissive. Go jump off that building."
06:57:13
Brian AtlasOf course, the woman can say no. There's no dispute there. Uh or she, "Okay, uh smuggle these drugs for me. The do these drugs." The woman should
06:57:23
Brian Atlassay no. But like, okay. Um, I want you to bow. >> Probably should bow. >> I said yes. >> If you're Christian. Yeah, I know. I
06:57:32
Brian Atlasknow. Uh, okay. Uh, what was the next thing that we had to Oh, breeze notes. Breeze notes. Thank you, Felicity. $69 TTS, guys. $69 TTS rose.
06:57:43
Brian Atlas>> Get them in, boys. Get them in. Speaking of, it's everybody's It's Shay's favorite Canadian. >> Oh my goodness.
06:57:51
Brian Atlas>> I prefer my parents. Thank you. Third favorite Canadian
06:57:59
SPEAKER_00>> pasty George donated $70. Hey Brian, remember when thin brows wasn't your Caucasian when she refused to remove her makeup so you could get Apple iPhone
06:58:10
Brian Atlasair? It was such an easy simple act of kindness, too. >> It's so true. Oh, I was on whatever Wednesday Pasty was about to drop uh he
06:58:21
Brian Atlaswas gonna do an iPhone air pop for me so I could buy an iPhone air, but then the girl wouldn't like do something that he asked, so he didn't do it. Yep. Yo, but W Pacy George, man. Hey, you know, she
06:58:34
SPEAKER_00didn't, you know, whatever. She could have been the homie, but she wasn't the homie, so whatever. Uh oh, we have our good friend Wisdom >> Barrier Wisdom donated $69. >> Thank you.
06:58:45
SPEAKER_00>> Great show today, Brixen. As a Woodland Hills local and valley homeboy, I've analyzed chair 4's liberal sass. Ego inflated race depleted. >> Oh my goodness.
06:58:55
SPEAKER_00>> Direct all LA 304s to Fero Street for reprogramming. >> Just gracias.
06:59:04
SPEAKER_00>> Good times. Good times. Uh, thank you Wisdom. We have Wizard here. Hold on. [Music] S7
06:59:15
SPEAKER_00Wizard donated $69. >> CHR3 has a lot of trauma. If you need to see his reaction to other women, if you really knew men, his reaction today
06:59:26
SPEAKER_00means nothing 10 years down the line. Imagine him checking up on you when you go out each time. >> Do you want to respond to that? >> I didn't read it properly. >> It was spoken.
06:59:41
Brian Atlas>> Um, do you have trauma? No. >> Okay. >> W. Um. W. No trauma. Okay. Uh. Oh, it's our
06:59:51
SPEAKER_00favorite Canadian. >> Pasty George donated $70. If all of the panelists do this easy, simple, selfless act of kindness of removing all of their
07:00:02
SPEAKER_00facial makeup, then Brian gets a free iPhone air. If not, this says a lot about them. >> Um, >> what if I just don't want Brian to get a free iPhone air? >> Yeah, she could be mit. She could just do it out of
07:00:14
Brian Atlas>> do it out of spite. Pasty. >> I'm going to do >> and she was going to take her makeup off. By the way, Felicity doesn't Who wants to take their makeup off? Anybody? >> I don't wear makeup. >> I'm not really wearing any >> makeup. You want to take it off? Makeup?
07:00:27
KarinaAnybody? Nope. >> Hannah. >> They said if any of the women >> Wait, did he say he said all of >> Wait, does that include Felicity agree? >> Yes. >> Yeah. So, if one of us doesn't agree, then >> Yo, I'll give you guys kickback though.
07:00:39
Brian AtlasI'll give you guys a kickback. You're going to give us a kickback for taking off our makeup. >> Each of you gets a $2 bill. >> That's lame. >> Do you know how much a $2 bill is worth? >> $2. >> Do you know how much a $2 bill is worth,
07:00:52
Hannah (NYU)Shay? >> Oh my god. >> And you can go to a bank and ask for them. >> Uh yeah. Or you could just get it for free. >> Wow. Free $2. >> Huge.
07:01:03
Brian Atlas>> Huge. Also, these $2 bills are special $2 bills. >> Oo. Why? that you can sell it for like 250 probably. >> That's right. >> $250. >> Sorry, Pasty. I don't think it's
07:01:14
Brian Atlashappening, Pasty. But you know what? I think if uh you know what I think we can do, Pasty, if um if you know what? If you don't do the iPhone airdrop, I'm going to have my
07:01:27
Brian Atlashome girl here come to [ __ ] Canada and repossess repossess your [ __ ] Lambo, dude. He's got no big deal. He's got a Lamborghini. I'm going. My home girl here is a [ __ ] repossession agent, son.
07:01:40
Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> We know. We'll find you, bro. >> If he wants to give me the Lamborghini, I'll remove my makeup. >> Who wants to pay you, Pasty George? >> He wants to pay off my Py George. >> That's a good deal for me. None of it
07:01:51
Brian Atlasgoes to you with [ __ ] that [ __ ] Py George, we're pasty George, we're going to [ __ ] repossess uh your your [ __ ] maple leaf. We're going to repossess your your uh what what do Canadians
07:02:04
Brian Atlas>> hockey >> we're going to take your hockey pucks uh pasty George take us hockey pucksine >> poutine we're going to [ __ ] repossess your poutine what did how did you say that term was you you you ship it and flip it what was the thing >> hook it and book it
07:02:18
Brian Atlas>> hook it and book it. She's going to hook it and book it. She's going to get all that poutine. >> She's going to hook it and book it. She's going to take She's going to take your Lambo. She's gonna take uh maple syrup.
07:02:29
Brian Atlas>> Your season pasty George. You know how Diddy had like a hundred can a thousand cans of like baby oil or whatever? Pasty George has like >> stacks on stacks on stacks of maple syrup.
07:02:42
Brian Atlas>> Should we be concerned? >> You should. >> Wow. >> He You know what though? Pasty George, he um you know he he loves that on on breakfast, on lunch, on dinner. Sometimes if he's if he's having a bad
07:02:54
Brian Atlasday, he puts a little hair uh he puts a little bit of maple syrup in his hair. What do you think? >> How do you know this? Have you been to his maple syrup parties? >> Yes. >> Are you like friends or something? >> This is uh interesting.
07:03:07
Brian Atlas>> Yes. He's my brother from another mother. >> Okay. >> He's my Canadian from another Never mind. Okay. Sorry.
07:03:18
SPEAKER_00Sorry. Pasty George donated $70. It doesn't include Felicity because she is not a panelist. >> Only 70 bucks. >> So if the other girls Well, the TTS got lowered.
07:03:31
Brian Atlas>> That's funny. >> Oh, I need to change that to um You guys won't do it. You guys won't do me a solid. I thought we were all homies. You're not my Caucasian. Are you my Caucasian? >> Boy, what >> are you my Caucasian? Yes or no? Are you
07:03:45
Brian Atlasmy Caucasian? >> I don't think she likes you. Thank you, Felicity, for pointing [ __ ] Sherlock Holmes over here pointing out the obvious. Good job, Felicity. Wait, Hannah's getting up. I
07:03:57
Brian Atlaswas about to ask if she's my Caucasian. Are you my Caucasian, Jay? >> No. >> Rude. Um, >> rude. >> I can't say this to non >> I'm half white, but I still would say no. >> Still not. Are you Are you like Italian or what?
07:04:09
Shay>> I'm Middle Eastern. >> Are middle Are they Caucasian? Well, like racially. Yeah. >> Well, like the Caucus Mountains of Dagistan.
07:04:23
Brian Atlas>> Wait, what? >> Oh my god. >> Uh, okay. Um, probably not. Um, >> probably not. Are you my Cauc >> Are you my Caucasian? >> What does this mean?
07:04:36
Karina>> Dab me up, bro. >> Are you Why would I do this? >> Are you my Caucasian? Um, but what is the question? >> Just wait. I'm almost We're almost done. Oh my god. Relax. >> Okay, I'm relaxed. But >> I'm talking to her.
07:04:48
Karina>> I'm also Hispanic. So, >> but from where? >> But you can be a white Hispanic. >> Which country? >> Uh, my mom is from Argentina. >> Okay. You you mentioned >> you're white. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey,
07:04:58
Brian Atlas>> you're white, bro. >> There's a lot of Germans in Argentina. >> Yeah, it's true. >> So, are you my Caucasian? >> Probably not. I don't know that [ __ ]
07:05:10
Brian Atlasup, right? Don't do it. >> I thought do it. >> Do you guys not understand the Caucasian? I don't know. >> I don't get it. >> You know, like how I would never say this, but I'll have to explain it. She knows what I'm talking about. So, it's
07:05:22
Brian Atlaslike like you know how black people can be like I'm not going to say it. My n word like you're my n word, you know? Like you could even say that to a white person, right? Like that's major props by the way for like a black person to say
07:05:35
Brian Atlas>> that to a white person. >> Like do you want to sit? Just kidding. Don't say that [ __ ] Um, but like, okay, Felicity, chill out. But it's like
07:05:45
Brian Atlasit's the comp uh the the like my Caucasian. >> Okay, good talk. >> Are you Irish?
07:05:56
Brian Atlas>> Uh, I don't know. I think I'm French and like Eastern European. And >> did you say >> Yeah, cuz I am too. >> Wait, what the [ __ ] That was like kind of racist, huh? >> Disgusted.
07:06:09
Brian Atlas>> Wait, what countries? >> I don't know. Why do you want me to check my [ __ ] 23 of me? What are you? >> Slovenian. >> No, I'm not that. >> And I'm Why would you say to that or whatever?
07:06:21
Brian Atlas>> He doesn't want to be related to at all. >> Wow. Okay, that's that's kind of [ __ ] up. But I'm actually hurt. I'm really hurt and depressed. >> Well, nobody is your Caucasian stuff this whole time today. I don't want to hear you.
07:06:34
SPEAKER_00>> I'm a good sport. $900. >> Don't think people understand what a billionaire is. It's average $270,000 per day income. Most of you will be in debt for most of your life.
07:06:46
SPEAKER_00>> Good luck. >> Chance of anyone getting to $1 million in the US is 6%. >> Why is he so salty? >> Yo, by the way, Wizard, did we get I
07:06:58
Brian Atlasknow you sent in like an hundred a while ago and I think you sent a message. We got it though, right? I'm pretty sure I got it, but it was a bit delayed. >> Oh, that was a good crack.
07:07:07
SPEAKER_00>> Pasty George donated $70. Brian, I don't like sports cars or expensive cars, remember? Besides, I'd rather go canoeing on my reservations lake than
07:07:19
Brian Atlasdrive an overpriced car. However, I do like going skiding and eating. >> Skidooing. >> Skadooing. Scuaddling. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Uh, why don't you pull
07:07:31
SPEAKER_00that up? Eh, [ __ ] it. Whatever. It's not worth it. >> Yeah, just forget it. >> Mario wisdom donated $69. Lady, >> great night overall.
07:07:42
SPEAKER_00>> These convos matter cause modern datings is twisted. We got to re-evaluate politics, manners, culture, and figure out why things fell off. Good night,
07:07:52
Shayy'all. Except for you. I love you. >> Yo, wisdom. Thank you, man. >> They said except for me. >> Yeah. Oh, >> you know what? >> He likes >> I think they're really obsessed with the
07:08:04
Brian Atlasocean. >> Py George likes scadoo. >> Why are you all so hateful? I don't know. >> Imagine if >> yo py George, where's the [ __ ] BMW pop? Rude. Um, >> so hateful. >> I don't know where. Oh, we're finishing.
07:08:16
Brian AtlasWe need to finish Bree's notes here. >> Okay, Bri, we're going to blast through these. $69 TTS, guys. Get them in. We're wrapping the show up here momentarily. >> Fingers crossed. Unless you guys start, you know, whatever. Uh, okay. You've
07:08:29
Brian Atlasturned down a handful of billionaires. Talked about Yeah, I know. Talked about that. >> Uh, you said that you've had a lot of clients try to date you. You're you're a dating coach, professional matchmaker.
07:08:40
Brian Atlas>> Uh, you said you worked with a matchmaker agency in OC, and there was one matchmaker. They were dating multiple clients at the same time on the side, which is, I guess, against the rules or whatever.
07:08:53
Brian Atlas>> Well, duh. >> Yep. She was supposed to be matching them with actual people, but she was just >> hooking up with them, dating them, whatever. >> Um, she was dating them off the books. You say she got caught and fired. Uh,
07:09:06
Brian Atlassome of the clients complained about her and she was using her personal girlfriends as matches and was charging the girls. So, you're not supposed to charge the girls for >> charging the guys. >> You charge the guys. >> Mhm. >> Charge the guys. You know what's
07:09:18
Brian Atlasactually interesting related to something we talked about earlier is the the men being more well I don't know if we really touched on this. I think men are a bit more motivated when it comes
07:09:30
Brian Atlasto dating, relationship, sex. To the point that like I don't think any girls here like would pay money the same way men will pay money, whether it's sex, whether it's a matchmaker. How much do these guys pay? Typically,
07:09:43
Brian Atlas>> a lot. >> Like 10 10k, five figures, >> minimum. 10k minimum. >> Minimum. >> And then do some men pay like six figures? >> Way more. Yes. >> That's how desperate. That's how desperate. Some of you guys
07:09:55
Brian Atlasout there, you need my help. >> Hey, do you want to recruit any of these girls? I mean, actually, most >> Can you help me? Not right. Not right now. >> She needs some help. She needs some help. >> I need some help. >> Maybe Hannah needs help. She need She needs help. >> They got boyfriend.
07:10:07
Brian Atlas>> You guys want help? I will point. Yes, I'll point I'll point them all in the right direction. >> But it is it is interesting like women would never even think about spending this kind of money >> for sure. Yeah. And so it's it's just
07:10:19
Karinainteresting the differences between I mean I think that's actually a that's an indictment of men. >> So I should switch careers is what you're saying >> if you want to girl.
07:10:32
Brian Atlas>> Why did you get into that? >> We'll talk about this later. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um text me. >> Okay. I will. >> But yeah, you were talking about this girl who's like dating the dudes. Whatever. She's she was dating a very wealthy lawyer.
07:10:42
Brian Atlas>> Um he paid for her plastic surgery. She got an entire makeover. He paid for it. >> Yep. >> Man, that's that's crazy. Um, she was supposed to pay him back, but when she whatever, she dumped him and never paid him back, I guess.
07:10:56
Brian Atlas>> Y >> damn, crazy [ __ ] >> Um, >> yep. >> Okay. Uh, let's see here. >> All true. >> You talked Okay. Young mom, toxic relationship. We talked about that. >> You think modern dating is complete
07:11:09
Brian Atlasgarbage. Pretty much talked about that. Yeah. >> And then we talked a bit about your background, like Christian background, more like traditional family, so and so forth. >> Um,
07:11:21
Brian Atlastrying to see if Okay, I think that's pretty much it for your notes. That's pretty much it. Did you want to go in a little bit on detail in like the matchmaking stuff?
07:11:32
Brian Atlas>> Um, like what about what do you mean? >> I don't know. Is there like a uh does it work? Like are there How about can I ask you a question? I've heard
07:11:43
Brian Atlas>> from like there's a TV show there was a woman a female watch maker and she was like she actually didn't like working with women >> because she said the women were like way too picky.
07:11:54
Bri (Matchmaker)>> Honestly, the women are the hardest to work with. It's not the the male clients. They're actually pretty easygoing even though they're powerful, affluent, have clout and etc. It's the women that are actually hard. And when you say that like just high
07:12:08
Bri (Matchmaker)expectation, >> extremely high. >> Do you ever have to break it to a woman and be like, "Look, >> um, >> you're not going to get that kind of guy." Do you have to ever have to do that? >> There are times. Yeah. Yeah. There are times. I mean, you do it very politely,
07:12:20
Bri (Matchmaker)but >> like, so when a woman comes to you, like, do you ask her what she wants? >> Yeah, of course. Oh, yeah. You thoroughly interview. You thor You thoroughly interview the client obviously because they're a paying
07:12:32
Bri (Matchmaker)client. So of course you prioritize them above all and then yeah of course you have to um also interview the female um you know potential counterparts as well.
07:12:42
Bri (Matchmaker)So you do two separate interviews and then based on those interviews you know and your you know expertise intuition etc. then that's how you make the matches. Yeah.
07:12:56
Brian AtlasSo what I guess like would a girl would a woman come to you and say I want a guy who's this tall, makes this much money, this kind of career, whatever like and do you ever have to tell the girl be
07:13:07
Brian Atlaslike look you're not going to get 6'3. You're not going to get a billionaire. >> Yeah. >> You can do 250k and he's going to be 5 foot n and he's going to be a little balding. You ever
07:13:21
Bri (Matchmaker)do that [ __ ] >> Yeah, of course. Absolutely. What's the most unrealistic ask? We we'll do both. Unrealistic ask from a woman and from a man.
07:13:31
Bri (Matchmaker)>> Okay. Um unrealistic ask for a woman is just um like extremely wealthy. Uh no
07:13:40
Bri (Matchmaker)kids. Um that's you know height. Height is very important for most women. I mean, like, literally 90% of the women I work with
07:13:51
Bri (Matchmaker)are like, I only want a guy who's like, So, that's that's hard, you know, to to get them to agree to date, you know, guys that are >> not at a certain height.
07:13:59
Bri (Matchmaker)>> Um, height is a big one. Um, obviously, uh, money is a big one as well. Um, but obviously, if they're a client of ours, then that's not typically an issue. For
07:14:10
Bri (Matchmaker)men, it's usually they're much uh much much older and they don't want they want women who are basically supermodel, beautiful, no kids,
07:14:22
Bri (Matchmaker)>> certain eye color, certain hair color, certain skin, you know what I mean? Just like the whole nine yards and but they're not really working with that >> physically. You know what I'm saying? So, they're like trying to Makes >> sense. Yeah. So, those those are it.
07:14:35
SPEAKER_00Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um let's see. We have pasty here. Final call, guys, on the TTS. Final call. >> Donated $70. >> Final call.
07:14:45
SPEAKER_00>> I'm sorry, Brian. I used the reservation reference. Skiding is snowing. I also once thought about taking flight lessons and buying a plane, but I still fear
07:14:56
Brian Atlasheights. Lol. >> Nice. Nice. Okay. Uh, let me just see here. There's like two or three more things super quick, then we're promise
07:15:07
Brian Atlasyou guys we're getting out of here soon. Uh let's see here. Um won't linger long, but I want a quick quick thing on this.
07:15:16
Brian AtlasUm I know feminism came up briefly. Uh do you guys think that women have equal rights to men in the USA? Do you think
07:15:27
Brian Atlaswomen have equal rights? Uh we'll skip Felicity. No, >> women don't have equal rights. Okay. What about you? >> Yes. >> Yes, they do. Okay. >> I don't I'm not quite sure to be honest. I don't
07:15:41
Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> I'm leaning more towards No, though. >> Okay. >> But unsure. I think we do. >> You think you do? >> Yes, we do. >> Okay. Uh, so was it you and you? You guys said uh you think women don't have
07:15:55
Brian Atlasequal rights? >> I wasn't sure. I'm not. >> Yeah. Quick followup. just what I guess what is the right that men have that women don't? It's not necessarily
07:16:06
Shay>> it's not necessarily like >> well okay I guess maybe not right is the same word but there's definitely not equal treatment like even the equals um equal rights protection act wouldn't get
07:16:17
Shaypassed and that has gone through many times and still >> equal rights protection >> equal equal rights act yeah something like that um >> I'm not sure quite what you're
07:16:29
Shayreferencing well what what was the act trying to achieve like making men and women literally equal in the constitution. >> Was this federal level? Was this in California? >> Um, it was federal level. It's been
07:16:42
Shaytried a few times, but specifically during like civil rights movement in the 1960s. >> Yeah, I was going to say like isn't it equal rights of 1964 or something like that? >> Wasn't that passed? Wasn't
07:16:52
Shay>> no. So equal rights um act of 1965 and 1964 the voting ones those were passed but there was a specific one for women and men and directly saying
07:17:04
Brian Atlas>> um like in the constitution women cuz right now it just says men >> obviously >> uh well wait hold on you're talking about the constitution >> but you >> like making amendments
07:17:14
Brian Atlas>> but but you do realize that it's it's sort of a an English practice but when you refer to men like it's not that's not actually I I know this might be hard to wrap it's not actually
07:17:26
Shaygendered >> like mankind for example >> that that refers to all of men and women >> it's not like mankind that it says
07:17:37
Shaythough it's there is gendered language in there and the point of it was to try to make it equal >> and it wouldn't get passed >> I'm not an expert >> and also like wage gap and everything like I know you said you don't think
07:17:48
Shaythat exists I think in some fields It is 100% prevalent. Like, >> okay, >> even Well, actually, I can't bring that up. Never mind. >> Bring bring one up. >> Come on, just say it. I
07:18:01
Brian Atlas>> No, like never mind. We're not supposed to talk about it. >> Talk about what? >> Oh, like essay. Is that what you're >> No, no, no, never mind. Pause. >> Oh,
07:18:11
Brian Atlas>> wait. I'm confused. Not okay. Well, I mean, as far as the edmology of men, um, somebody could probably break this down way easier. I I actually don't recall the precise argument on like edetm
07:18:25
Brian Atlas>> etmology >> like no I know etmology but there's a specific term uh >> and maybe somebody I don't know if somebody's able to send in a TTS I'm not trying to bait but there there is
07:18:35
Brian Atlassomething with men like men the term men or the term man or mankind more specifically that does also apply to
07:18:50
ShayIt's >> edetmologically >> it's the point is there are so many aspects of life where
07:18:58
Brian Atlaswomen and men are not equal. Uh in terms of rights though, >> treatment >> but but treatment if somebody is a jerk to you that that's not like government enforced
07:19:12
Shayuh >> well government isn't enforcing equal treatment either. Like there's well for example there's so many
07:19:23
Shayhow do I say this? the difference in crimes that Well, actually, I don't know. That's kind of moving away from that. >> No, go ahead. Finish the thought. Finish
07:19:35
Mahi (DT263)the thought. >> I feel like you like I think we do have equal rights with men, but I feel like you're just saying like society, we're still not equal to men. Like the way we're looked at just as like a whole society view. I feel like there's a lot more that men can do that we can't or
07:19:48
Mahi (DT263)like >> like what? >> I feel like women still get a lot more sub shame than men. Like I feel like women get I think we're looked at a lot more differently than men. I feel like and I feel like like that's one aspect like I just feel like in aspects I feel
07:20:01
Mahi (DT263)like women just have so much still a lot more um expectations than and men don't and we still get >> there's not expectations on >> I feel like there is like I feel >> less expectations on men. >> I feel like there are less expectations
07:20:13
Mahi (DT263)on them and more on women. I feel like we're just judged a lot more >> and they're judged more harshly. >> Yeah. Like men are praised for like
07:20:22
Bri (Matchmaker)having um a lot of partners for instance like the more partners a man has sort of like the more clout he has but then like for a woman it's like their stigma around it.
07:20:35
Shay>> Well >> and also like men praised for taking care of their baby >> when mothers are like expected to do that and then if they take a break >> they're abandoning their child. Well,
07:20:47
Brian Atlaslet's just let's examine one thing at a time here and we won't examine everything obviously just for the sake of time. Uh the the b like the difference in like >> [ __ ] shaming or whatever. >> Uh >> me personally, I dislike promiscuity in
07:21:01
Brian Atlasmen. >> I don't think it's cool. I don't think it's good. I think neither men or women should be promiscuous. I don't think it's good for society. I don't think it's good on the individual level whether you're men or woman. I do think
07:21:13
Brian Atlasthere are some differences between clearly differences between men and women uh as it relates to this the potential impact of promiscuity on somebody women carry uh just because
07:21:25
Brian Atlaswomen face the risk of pregnancy I think there's a bit of a higher burden there like if a woman >> a woman is promiscuous there is a potential higher risk there but also
07:21:35
Brian Atlaskind of more from a dating lens it's actually kind of diff it's like about the difficulty of it. Like any woman can be a [ __ ] It's kind of like hard for a guy to be a [ __ ] or it's
07:21:46
Brian Atlasharder. Anyways, like you take an average girl or even like an ugly, not to be mean or whatever, an ugly woman. She can be a massive [ __ ]
07:21:56
Brian Atlas>> Not so sure. Like a ugly guy like who's otherwise average and I the ugly woman who's otherwise average, she can be a massive [ __ ] >> Ugly guy who's otherwise average, he
07:22:07
Brian Atlascan't be a [ __ ] Can't be a [ __ ] Uh, so I think there's just a difference where it's like for women to get laid, you just kind of have to show up. Whereas for a guy to get laid, it actually takes
07:22:18
Brian Atlaslike something, you know, like you have to you have to have game or if you lack game, you have to be good-looking. If you lack that, you have to be funny. If you lack that, you have to be and sometimes you can be an amalgamation,
07:22:30
Brian Atlasbut uh you have to have status, you have to be famous, you have to be something. But like like look, I'm not and there are well I was gonna say there are average guys who are plowing through
07:22:41
Brian Atlaschicks or whatever, but he's probably got game. He's got something. A woman can have no redeemable characteristics besides that she's just offering up
07:22:50
Brian Atlas[ __ ] and she can I I would actually argue this. I think an unattractive, average, unremarkable woman, she can get laid more than a top tier guy. But
07:23:03
Brian Atlasthat's not my argument. >> Well, the the it it's sort of it's like, well, why what's the difference here? The reason why men get big uped,
07:23:12
Brian Atlas>> yeah, man, that's dope. Is because >> if something like for example, if you um >> if you pat your head that that's easy to do, but what if it's
07:23:24
Brian Atlasdifficult for somebody to do that? So, it's there's a there's a level of difficulty when it comes to getting laid that exists in men or some men that does
07:23:34
Brian Atlasnot exist in women. Any women, any woman can get laid super easy. Just walk up to a guy, hey, do you want the [ __ ] Sure. If I walk up and we've done this, I've
07:23:45
Brian Atlasactually done this experiment back in the day. Um, I had a girl do it, too. The girl walks up to dudes. Hey, what's up? You want to have sex? Boom. Yep. Let's do it. where where's your place?
07:23:56
Brian AtlasLet's go. If I walk up to a girl, hey, what's up? Thought you I don't I can even be like as um tactful about it as one could be. Hey, I think you're cute. Do you want to go hook up? You want to
07:24:08
Brian Atlashave sex? >> Not happening. Watch. Check this out. Uh who's single here? Should we? Um uh after the show, do you want to have sex? >> No. >> After the show, do you want to have sex? No. After the show, do you want to have sex?
07:24:20
Brian Atlas>> Break your celibacy. Do you want to have sex? >> See? Exact. See? [ __ ] I feel like y'all could go up to a And by the way, I wasn't that was just for the sake of argument. I wasn't actually rudely
07:24:33
Brian Atlaspropositioning you guys. Um, just for the sake of to make a point. So, it's harder for men. It's harder. That's why it's Now, again, I don't think promiscuity is good in men.
07:24:42
Brian Atlas>> And especially what bothers me is uh these guys will lie to women. They'll You girls can probably relate to this. Well, not signaling signaling any of you
07:24:54
Brian Atlasout, but some dastardly thing guys will do is they'll tell the girl that he has like a a more serious interest in her just so he can get laid >> and they'll lead a girl on. They'll lie
07:25:06
Brian Atlasto the girl >> and he has no he just wants to get laid. He has no interest. Now, look, not some women are fine with casual sex, but there's definitely a component of guys
07:25:19
Brian Atlasmisrepresenting their >> interest >> interest. >> Yeah. >> Making them seem like they want something more, but they don't. They get the sex. >> Maybe they ghost. Maybe they hid and quit it
07:25:31
Brian Atlas>> and they but they led you on to think that they wanted more. That's wrong. 100% wrong. Shouldn't do it. Um, so yeah, I don't think men should be promiscuous because no bueno. >> Mhm.
07:25:43
SPEAKER_00>> No bueno. Here, but we'll move on from that. We have chats again. >> Pasty George donated $70. There were actually two constitutions in Canada. In
07:25:53
SPEAKER_00the former one, the government had less control than it has now. Also, social spending was much better back then compared to today.
07:26:04
SPEAKER_00>> WY Jordan. Thank you, man. Um, thank you, Pacey George. We have another one coming in from Bug Pull Out. What the heck? >> Bug Pull Out donated $69. >> What's the name?
07:26:16
SPEAKER_00>> Equal Rights Act 2020 added gender identity language. Men are not women. Feminism bull crap. >> But as far as rights go, >> wasn't he?
07:26:31
Brian Atlas>> Um, okay. Well, I mean, obviously, you listed a bunch of things. I'm obviously don't have time to debate you on every single one of them, but um I I just I
07:26:41
Brian Atlashaven't actually heard a truly compelling way in which men possess rights that women don't. Is there anything you can point to super quick? I won't really linger on it, but
07:26:53
Brian AtlasShay, like any a right that a man has like what right do I have that you don't? >> Um sorry, I'm actually exhausted. We are being kept here an hour. >> That's right. They're they're all
07:27:07
Brian Atlaschained to the >> hour and a half. >> They're more. >> But do you want to just engage super quick? >> No. >> You don't want to? >> No. >> One thing just throw out throw something out. Okay. Um do you think really quick
07:27:18
Shaythen? Do you think women are oppressed in the USA? >> I think they're I wouldn't say oppressed. I would say they're
07:27:32
Brian Atlasoppresses too far, but I don't think we're equal. >> That's it. >> In terms but not in terms of right, >> uh but
07:27:42
Brian Atlas>> not oppressed. Okay, I see. All right. Um not oppressed. Um do you think men are more privileged in society? Yes. Okay. I mean, >> for sure. >> How so? I I think actually women possess
07:27:55
Brian Atlascertain rights that men don't. And I actually would make the argument that in many metrics like the worst life outcomes, men disproportionately occupy
07:28:05
Mahi (DT263)the worst outcomes in life. And um >> yeah, >> I feel like women always have to like prove we always have to prove ourselves. Like I feel like >> So do men. >> No.
07:28:17
Mahi (DT263)>> No. I feel like men I feel we have to earn more respect like in a workplace. I feel like >> there's affirmative action. women actually >> action affects us in any way. I think it got revoked, bro. >> No, it's still there. >> Look that up.
07:28:30
Brian Atlas>> I'm pretty sure. I could be wrong, but it >> Okay, I looked it up. I'm right. No, just kidding. Um uh I guess like uh if
07:28:40
Brian Atlaswe look at like the most negative outcomes in life, you look at homelessness, you look at uh suicidality, you look at uh workplace deaths, you look at violence, men are
07:28:53
Brian Atlasmore likely to be victims of violent crime. Violent crime. Yep. You disagree. Men are more I don't know why you're laughing. Men are more likely >> your stats on that. >> I'm not talking about essay. I'm talking about overall to in totality violent
07:29:06
Brian Atlascrime. Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. >> Victims and commit the crimes. Yeah. >> Well, I'm not talking about the perpetrators. I'm talking about >> I know, but it's true. It's a fact. >> Oh, yeah. Sure. I'll grant it for the
07:29:17
Brian Atlassake of conversation. Men are more likely to commit violent crimes. Sure. And >> I'm just saying what you said was true. >> That's it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
07:29:29
Brian Atlas>> Okay. Um and you know if we if we look at education as a metric by which uh men or women could have it better uh even at UCSB the school you guys go to I believe
07:29:39
Brian Atlasthe breakdown is uh 6040 something like that 60 women 60% women 40% men women are much more ever since the 1980s women have been more likely to go to college graduate from college get a college
07:29:52
Brian Atlaseducation get a degree if these are all metrics that in the past >> we have to to get a job where men can Men can what? >> Men can get jobs easier because they don't have to prove themselves.
07:30:04
Brian Atlas>> People automatically assume men are going to be better at specific jobs. >> So, you're saying uh wait, hold on. Um women have to go to college to compete
07:30:15
Brian Atlaswith men who are not college educated. >> There's definitely that. >> So, she wants to be a psychologist. >> Yeah. She has to work harder to prove herself, especially in a male field. >> Demonstrated. So, hold on. So she your
07:30:27
Brian Atlasyour position would be that she has to go to I don't know if you have to go to med school for you you do like a graduate program or whatever. So
07:30:38
Brian Atlasthe the guy who dropped out of city college gets her job. >> That's not what I >> a clinical psychologist >> or does she have to go do all the schooling to become a clinical psychologist? >> Work harder to get the same job. >> What evidence do you actually have for
07:30:52
Brian Atlasthat? >> Look it up. >> How does she have to work hard? What? So, okay, when you take a test, does the professor be like, "Okay, here, um, here's a coloring book for all the men
07:31:02
Brian Atlascolor in the lines and the women, uh, here's like advanced, uh, here's like a 100 point 100 point multiple multiple." What is it? Multiple answer. Multiple choice.
07:31:15
Brian Atlas>> Multiple choice. Thank you. Multiple choice question. Uh, the women get the 100 question multiple choice questionnaire. Uh, the men Okay. Uh, good boys. Good boys. Here's a here color color in the book.
07:31:27
Brian Atlas>> You think that's how it is or the same test that she takes? >> You have a way of trying to just make arguments sound stupid when they're not. >> Am I gaslighting you? Is that what I'm doing? No, but is it actually the case? Do the men in college receive different
07:31:40
Brian Atlastests. >> That was never what I was arguing. you said but okay but if if the metric if the and actually well I won't go there but if the metric is uh your your
07:31:52
Brian Atlasargument is well the the women have to work harder they get the same test they have the same assignments you you think the professors are just benevolently sexist towards men and they're like
07:32:04
Shay>> it's not about college it's not about in college >> ah so there's no sexism in college aside from the fact that women are more likely to go to I never said there was Okay. No, but you said it's not about college.
07:32:17
Brian Atlas>> You were always trying to twist words. I've never No, but you said women have a harder time. So, wouldn't this wouldn't an extension of that, it wouldn't just be the workplace, it would also be in university.
07:32:28
Brian Atlas>> That would make it would make sense to me that if women broadly have things harder, they have to work harder in at a job, I would assume they have to work harder in college, too, right? Or is there perfect equality in >> Did you go to college?
07:32:40
Brian Atlas>> Uh, yeah. Well, I dropped out. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, and >> interesting. >> Again, I never let my uh I never let college get in the way of my education.
07:32:54
Brian AtlasI'm doing pretty well. >> Okay. Good for you. >> Look, I'm fine with college. sort of isish. But I I don't think that college is necessarily an indicator of one's uh
07:33:06
Shayintelligence or one's capacity for knowledge or wisdom or any of these things. >> Are you dissatisfied? I don't have the proper 12:30 a.m. and
07:33:16
Brian Atlas>> I don't have the proper bonaf bonafetus. How do you say it? The bonafides or whatever. Uh would would if I graduated from UCSB, would that be would what I'm
07:33:27
Brian Atlassaying matter more? Okay, she's checked out. If I graduated from UCSB, would what I say hold more weight for you? >> It's 12:30 in the morning. >> Just answer the question. >> I don't even know what you said. >> If if I graduated from Harvard, would
07:33:40
Brian Atlaswhat what I'm saying here hold more weight?
07:33:46
Bella (SBCC)>> I'm just asking. You can answer the question. >> No, sorry. I didn't see what you said. Hear what you said. You just asked me to repeat it and I just did. >> I mean, making the show go on longer. >> Okay. I mean, you can just answer, but
07:33:57
SPEAKER_00whatever. >> Pasty George donated $70. I wish Rachel Wilson was on this show to put some of these delusional feministic panelists in
07:34:08
SPEAKER_00their place because they will always be bad faith with Brian because he is a man. Sexist. >> Yeah, Rachel. Rachel would be good. >> Oh, this is pretty bad faith. Okay.
07:34:20
Bri (Matchmaker)>> I guess um can women be sexist? >> Prove them wrong that it's not just because because Brian is a man that you're not answering the question. Just answer his question cuz that's
07:34:32
Brian Atlas>> I was actually ready. I was ready to move on. Okay, perfect. >> I never said that. >> I don't I actually And to be fair, I don't think she's refusing to answer the question because I don't think it has to do with the fact that I'm to be fair to her. I don't think it's cuz I'm a man.
07:34:44
Brian AtlasOh, he's a man. I'm going to stick it to him. No, >> I think if it was a woman arguing this, she'd probably be the same. Um, how about this? Can women be sexist towards men? >> Yeah. >> No. Okay. Uh, does this also >> Okay, why are we just asking me
07:34:58
Brian Atlasquestions? >> I don't know. Cuz you seem like you're the most >> Do I seem like I'm here? >> The most feminist of the group? Uh, how about this? Here's I'll open up to the whole panel. Not dating related at all,
07:35:10
Brian Atlasbut [ __ ] it. Whatever. Felicity begged me to ask this. Um, if women can be sexist towards men, can uh people of color be sec or excuse me, can people of color be racist towards white people?
07:35:23
Brian AtlasStarting with you, then we'll go around the table like a Hispanic person be racist towards pale pasty white. >> Nope. Okay. What do you think?
07:35:34
Brian Atlas>> Yes, but and it's not systematic racism like every person of color has experienced. So, >> yeah. Actually, yeah. Well, I'm just I I understand there's different categories of racism, but I think in the like common parlance, is that even a word?
07:35:49
Mahi (DT263)Uh, >> but I feel like it kind of >> like >> I feel like it's not comparable though. Like obviously there is. And I feel like you have to make that clear. Like there can you can be racist to white people, but not to the same degree of everyone else. >> Well, are you talking systemic or just
07:36:03
Mahi (DT263)across the board? >> Well, I you can't be systemic to you. There can't be a systemic racism towards white people. >> Well, it's technically possible. But when has it ever happened?
07:36:15
Brian Atlas>> Well, uh I guess it depends on >> like there's no place in the world that >> Well, how about like for example um if we're talking about affirmative action
07:36:24
Brian Atlasin the university system. So, we've we've often seen um that with the preferential enrollment, for example, Asian-Americans. Uh and I Well, are you
07:36:37
Brian Atlasyou're in in the UK, for example, are you like uh what's your ethnicity? I'm sorry. >> I'm Indian. >> Indian. So, they would some in the UK they would consider consider Indian Asian, right? I don't know if you would
07:36:50
Brian Atlasmake that distinction, but >> we're South Asian. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Um, so I think this would actually you would fall under this criteria at Harvard. Um, in order for
07:37:00
Brian Atlasyou to your your like SAT scores, other metrics to be able to get into Harvard, um, it actually would be uh it has to be higher than a white person's
07:37:12
Brian Atlasand it also goes in a different direction though. Um, you have to have higher SAT, way higher SATs than a black person or a Latino person or Native American person to get into Harvard. And so this was discrimination towards uh
07:37:25
Brian AtlasAsian people. >> But I don't >> that that occurred. >> I don't really consider that racism though. >> But if it's the case, for example, you say white people um if it's harder as a
07:37:36
Brian Atlaswhite person to get into Harvard than it is for a Latino person or a black person, just and this is you can look it up. There's a lawsuit over this. Um Harvard was doing preferential stuff
07:37:48
Brian Atlaswith SAT scores. you had to have a higher SAT score as this >> Yeah, I've seen the study like I've seen people sue because of it. But I >> Right. But so would it then be like some
07:37:59
Brian Atlassort of evidence if at Harvard it was harder to get into Harvard if you're white? >> But that's not like the systemiz scale compared to everyone else's
07:38:10
Brian Atlasthough. Wait, the university system is by the way university system >> major like >> it's a system and it there's you'd agree it's a system universities >> but I'm >> what system are we talking about? Sorry.
07:38:23
Mahi (DT263)>> Like I'm just talking about like every like Indians like the white people colonized us for like hundreds of years and for black people there was slavery. Native Americans they were >> terrible stuff. >> Yeah. But I don't that's never really
07:38:34
Brian Atlashappened to white people like no not >> what >> what you know the origination of the term slave >> Slav Slavic so white people >> but was it white white against white
07:38:47
Brian Atlasthough it wasn't like >> uh well if you look at like the mus Muslim conquest into Europe they absolutely took slaves if you look at the m Muslim conquest >> but in like recent day like in the past few like centuries
07:38:59
Brian Atlas>> when did they expel like when when was the so the Muslims made it up to um was it the Ottoman? I'm forgetting. They made it up to Vienna in Austria, right? I believe. Um I think that was in the
07:39:11
Brian Atlas1600s. Uh >> okay. But like 17th century onward because that's really what we truly learn about. >> But then I would just turn this around to you and say, "Well, when was slavery ended?" Just because something happened a long time ago doesn't mean
07:39:23
Mahi (DT263)>> But it wasn't really a long time ago. >> Yeah. Sure. Uh African-American slavery in the United States is more recent. >> Yeah. Yes. >> And like so like so in India too, we haven't even had they haven't even had 100 years of like a free
07:39:35
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. I I mean I would point out that actually western countries which are uh white majority actually have ended slavery sooner than like other >> I know. But I'm just saying like white people have never had that type of like
07:39:47
Brian Atlasoppression. It's only been >> but has it the barber the barbar slave >> a different type of race? >> Yes. other other races so long other races have definitely enslaved white
07:39:58
Brian Atlaspeople. We just like to conveniently ignore it. And just to be clear, um you know, the the plight of African-Americans or at least their ancestors, >> we've grown as a terrible thing. Terrible thing that happened so long ago at the past few like centuries, it's
07:40:12
Brian Atlasstill >> Yes. I realize that certain things are more in in recent history, >> but it's all been recent like for mostly all every other place it's been recent except for >> slavery is not my field of expertise,
07:40:24
Brian Atlasbut we do see that there's in fact slavery still ongoing in certain countries. Um, and it's not white people who are >> Well, I'm not saying it's all white people, but I'm just saying like nothing of that nothing has ever really happened
07:40:36
Brian Atlasto white people in that area in the past few centuries like it has happened to every other race. Um, you know, I'm again, this isn't my wheelhouse. I I do think that there might actually be some
07:40:48
Brian Atlas>> some evidence that in say the past 200 years, there probably has been. Uh, I look >> anything like wide scale like to the degree of every other race.
07:40:58
SPEAKER_10>> Right now, there are more slaves than there ever were
07:41:08
SPEAKER_10>> sex trafficking. >> And they are
07:41:15
Brian AtlasOh, >> so just to be if we want to be if we're interested in intellectual honesty. >> Yeah. Wait, Grid, do you want to just sit down really quick because we're wrapping the show here. So if you want to do your do your little cameo,
07:41:26
Brian Atlas>> do little cameo. Grid, uh, why don't you do you want to just Felicity, you want to scoot over one? Oh, wait. >> Felicity, you scoot over one. And Grid's taking chair one. >> Oh. Uh, have him go that way. Have him go that way.
07:41:40
Brian Atlaslooks like I don't know. >> But wait, hold on. Um I I don't want to No, go ahead. Go ahead. Come come sit. Um so we were talking about like can people of color be racist towards Well, I'm
07:41:52
Brian Atlasjust saying here I want to move off of I had to agree with you generally like white people have certain uh like white people are the majority of the country. Perhaps they confer some benefits from this. But I'm when I'm talking about
07:42:05
Brian Atlasracism, I want to and I acknowledge that there are systemic there is systemic racism, whatever. Um, if a white person walks up to a black
07:42:14
Brian Atlasperson and calls them the n-word, and then beats them up, is that racism? >> Why are you thinking about Yeah, of course. Right. Uh, if a black person walks up to a white person, says, "I you
07:42:26
Brian Atlasyou piece of [ __ ] white person beats them up, is that racism?" Taking a little longer on this answer. This isn't systemic. This is individual
07:42:37
Brian Atlasracism. Or do you Is that >> I mean, adding the N word to it is racist. >> Okay. The black person I'm not going to say it, but calls them the C-word. And I understand that that doesn't carry
07:42:49
Mahi (DT263)as much weight as the N word. >> Well, yeah. That is But I But I said from the beginning like you can be racist towards white people, but it's not systemized racism. But okay, so here I'll remove the slur
07:43:01
Brian Atlascomponent because there's a there certain slurs are more offensive than others. Uh, black person walks up to a white person, says, "Uh, hey, uh, whitey." Or maybe I should not. Is that
07:43:14
Brian AtlasI don't know. Hey, white per, I don't like white people. Boom. Punches them in the face. >> Yeah, that's racist. >> If if the black person >> did that to Did I say the white person does it to the black person? >> No, you said >> No, you had it right. Yeah, you had it right.
07:43:26
Mahi (DT263)>> You were good. Yeah. >> So, it's racist both ways. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> I just said there it's white people don't face systemized oppression like systemized racism like all the other races though. Like I'm not saying I'm not denying it,
07:43:39
Brian Atlas>> but I think also like >> there's different levels to it. And >> if uh can a if I were to go to India and people there were like
07:43:50
Brian Atlastolerant, could there be systemic racism against white people in non white majority countries?
07:44:01
Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Why? Why the hesitation though? Like if I went to China and you >> I just don't really understand. Well, if I went if I went to China and like what are my hopes of ever like infiltrating
07:44:13
Brian Atlasthe CCP and like having any sort of power in their government? Um like what as a as a white person in China, you would agree that Chinese
07:44:24
Brian Atlaspeople are the majority people in China. >> So what I don't have I don't have systemic power in China. I'm white. Chinese people have systemic power. In fact, I would argue actually America is
07:44:37
SPEAKER_09quite >> uh you can't own property. >> Good. Scoot in. >> Uh yeah, scoot into the table. Just Sorry. Yeah, you're good. >> Um yeah, in China, you can't own property. >> There's a lot of freedoms if you're you know, if you >> But I wouldn't say that's systemized
07:44:51
Mahi (DT263)racism, though. >> You can't you can't vote in their elections. You can't >> I would say that's individual racism. Yeah. If you >> wait in in China, if I'm in China, >> Yeah. Like that's still not systemized racism because there's never been a
07:45:01
Brian Atlasperiod in that place where white people were oppressed like wide scale. >> Well, what what if Okay, how about this? Um the the Chinese government passed a
07:45:11
Brian Atlaslaw that only like nativeborn Chinese people can ever have a place in the And I don't know the immigr
07:45:21
Brian Atlascan you can move to China and become a citizen. But what if China passed a law and said, "Hey, even if you move here as a white person and we grant you citizenship, you can never uh have any
07:45:34
Mahi (DT263)role in government." Would that be systemic racism? >> I guess, but that that's not existent anywhere in the world. So, it it's just >> Well, wait, hold on. Abs, it absolutely does. >> Absolutely.
07:45:47
Brian Atlas>> You can't be >> You don't think Asian countries are racist? They're racist against each other. >> Well, I'm I'm Asian. And I'm pretty sure I would know that. >> Indians and the Pakistanis, the Bangladesh. I don't know that somewhere over there.
07:46:00
Mahi (DT263)>> Uh, you know, >> but that's more religion >> like Indians and Pakistanis. That's >> Well, it's also nationality too. >> Nationality, but a lot of it's rooted in religion. >> Religions are systems as well. Yeah, I know. But I'm just saying like Indian
07:46:13
Mahi (DT263)and Pakistanis, it's not like countries are a lot of it is just because of religion. That's why there's so much conflict between them. Well, I mean, you could take you could take the Chinese and the Weaguer
07:46:25
SPEAKER_09>> the Weaguers. The Weaguers and >> um the and Tibet. I mean, >> Tibet, Taiwan, >> um >> you go a little further. Um Chinese
07:46:37
SPEAKER_09occupied Mongolia. They took um a way back in the day. I mean, obviously this has been a few hundred years, but they took >> Slavs. >> Isn't there like a cast system in like India, too? Like I don't know. Um >> well I mean they they expelled the seek
07:46:50
SPEAKER_09right >> in India. The seek >> no from Af it's it's it's a slightly north of there but they expelled >> the seeks are do are I like the >> they got their little daggers and [ __ ]
07:47:02
Brian Atlas>> Any seeks do we have any do we have any seeks in the chat? W seeks. Um >> they're cool. Uh >> they're pretty badass. >> But yeah, I mean >> I don't know. I you you can't envision
07:47:14
Brian Atlaslike a like I you look at Latin America, you look at Africa, you look at uh Asia, white people are the minority in all
07:47:27
Brian Atlasthose places. You don't think it's possible for white people to experience like systemic racism in >> the >> non-white majority countries? >> Don't don't forget the boar. >> That too
07:47:40
Brian Atlas>> right now. Oh, in South Africa. >> I think it's very comparable to >> Well, I think minorities actually probably have more rights in the United States than like if you're a minority
07:47:52
Mahi (DT263)in any of these countries. >> Yeah, it's true. Like for example, you can be Japanese. >> Well, yeah. I honestly, but also I'm not very educated about like all this like thing about I just know
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Mahi (DT263)>> that's not my wheelhouse either. >> Yeah. I'm just saying like I I like I just in my opinion I just think you systematic racism can't be applied towards white people and I'm not super educated on it. I don't know how it
07:48:15
Brian Atlaswould work in other countries. I just know in the western world for the sake of convo I'd be willing to grant that in white majority countries this could be the case.
07:48:25
Brian Atlas>> But how could it ever be the case in like in an Asian dominated country or or like in Africa they're black? Like I I don't really understand that. But for example, I actually think if a Japanese
07:48:38
Brian Atlasperson moves to the United States and become a citizen, they become an American. If I move to Japan, >> I don't know. I don't even know if I can become a citizen. I'm never going to be >> Aren't they welcoming immigrants right
07:48:50
Brian Atlasnow? They put a >> If I move to India and I've lived there for 20 years, am I an Indian? >> I mean, I don't think you'd honestly face a lot of racism in India. So, >> I'm not even asking that. I'm just saying if I move to India, do do I
07:49:03
Brian Atlasbecome an Indian? >> No, you have to go through the right steps because >> No, no. I'm I'm saying I let's say I don't know the citizen if you can even do that, but let's say you can. If I become a citizen of India, am I Indian?
07:49:16
Brian Atlas>> Technically, yes. >> I mean, by nationality, but I like if I move to >> I mean, I'm American, but I'm Indian. I was born here. So, >> sure. But I there would be a bit bit of
07:49:27
Brian Atlasa distinction here. I'm talking like if if I'm >> but that's not >> if I moved to well if I moved to even then though I don't know if I would like
07:49:38
Brian AtlasI can I can have a neighbor who's Japanese Korean Vietnamese who's Indian who's Pakistani who's who's black who's whatever uh who's from
07:49:50
Brian Atlasuh Costa Rica who's from Mexico whatever they be can become an American they can become an American And I can't become if I move to Mexico,
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SPEAKER_09>> I'm not Mexican >> and I like I become a citizen or whatever. I'm not Mexican. >> I mean, the perfect example, my wife is Chinese. She is now an American citizen. I can never become a Chinese citizen ever.
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Brian Atlas>> Yeah. So, it seems like almost like America's kind of super dope. >> We are dope. We are. >> I feel like America's not quite as bad as people make it out to be, you know?
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Mahi (DT263)So >> um I just don't like if I what what's systemic power if I went to like Nigeria >> what's systemic power >> I don't know I honestly like in school I
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Mahi (DT263)study mostly like systemic racism in the western world so I really cannot tell you what would be in Asia Africa and I really >> sure I mean just you don't even need to
07:50:46
Brian Atlasbe study it or be an expert like isn't it just simply purely through reason through uh through reason through rationality, through logic. Isn't it
07:50:56
Brian Atlaslogically possible that in like Hold on, we're almost done. Hang tight. Hang tight. Almost done. Just hang tight. >> I can't I just wait. Just wait. Just wait. Just wait. Sorry. Hannah, >> I have a 2-hour drive.
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Brian Atlas>> Hannah, do you appreciate it? >> 10 minutes. 10 minutes. Hannah, very rude. Hannah, disappointed. Okay, so uh I guess my final thing on this and I'll let the rest of the chats come through.
07:51:18
Brian AtlasUm I I just if if the country is like majority uh Japanese 99% Japan's 99% Japanese white people don't have any systemic
07:51:30
Brian Atlaspower in these countries. Japanese people have systemic power in this country. How how could you not face potential systemic discrimination
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SPEAKER_09as a white person in a non-white majority country? >> Okay. Well, I'll leave it I'll leave it there then. >> I'm just saying logically it's a good conversation to have, but it's late to have it. So,
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SPEAKER_00>> we'll let the chats come through. Sorry for the delay, guys. >> George donated $70. Share to asking the question if a Brian, a man, if he went to college, is a feministic shaming tactic. Pathetic.
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Brian Atlas>> Actually got a degree in psychology. It was the worst money ever spent. >> Nice. Uh, okay. Yo, uh, Pasty, it it was a shaming tactic, but I'm not going to take it personally. It is what it is. Uh, thank you. Aloo
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SPEAKER_00>> Aloo donated $69. Ain't no billionaires ever looked at chair for way. >> Oh [ __ ] >> She's a mid-feminist transformer that brings nothing but high body count and STDs. >> What the [ __ ] >> The [ __ ] cap.
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Brian Atlas>> Hey, be nice to my home girl. >> Feminist [ __ ] >> Oh, wait. She's not my Caucasian. Never mind. >> You want to see the receipts? >> Actually, yes. Show after you can show me the receipts. >> I'll show you. I I want the proof. Um
07:52:46
SPEAKER_00>> I'll show you. >> Why do I have to lie? >> Pasty George donated $70. >> Yes, ethnic minorities can be racist to
07:52:56
SPEAKER_00Caucasians. I am First Nations cre and not only have I experienced racism, but I have seen Caucasians receive it, too. Enough of the bullsh
07:53:08
Brian AtlasI have a scenario. I have a scenario. Um, when Barack Obama was president, let's say he didn't want to hire uh a white janitor at the White House, would