RAGE QUIT CRASH OUT?! She REJECTED 3 Billionaires?! Hater DEBATES Brian?! | Dating Talk #265

Date: 2025-10-20

Duration: 8h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBri (Matchmaker)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Hannah (NYU)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Sofh(guest)

SPEAKER_05Bella (SBCC)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shay(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Bri (Matchmaker)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Mahi (DT263)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Karina(guest)

SPEAKER_14Kennedy(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentKarina's near-death cocaine OD experience: saw hell, heard God

Key MomentBri: turned down 2+ billionaires romantically

ControversySofh rage quits crying after conflict with Brian

Key MomentSofh reveals she fled a conservatorship situation and thought she was getting paid

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests: Sofh (tower climber), Bri (matchmaker who rejected billionaires), Karina (repo agent/born-again).

Karina Near-Death Experience

OD'd on cocaine, experienced hell (demons, torture), heard God's voice, became Christian.

Bri Rejected Billionaires

Turned down 2+ billionaires; money/status does not equal happiness.

Career vs Perfect Man

Would you marry a billionaire or pursue career? Extended debate.

Sofh Rage Quit

Sofh cries and leaves after conflict with Brian over show format criticism.

Transcript

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Bri (Matchmaker)>> Sure. your hand. >> Okay. I think I think it's your like based on your delivery. Once again, I don't I don't know the tone. No, it's it is your delivery. And once again, I don't think you've done anything wrong necessarily. I just think that she's

Brian Atlasextra sensitive. And >> well, I didn't like her tone either. I didn't like her tone when I was away from the table. And she was like, you know what? [ __ ] this podcast. Basically, she didn't say that verbatim, but that's the impression I

Brian Atlas>> No, I think that's fair. You're you're in the right as well. I'm not telling you. >> Okay. Well, whatever. Her tone was her tone. I wanted to actually explore the content of what she was saying. The tone is kind of secondary to me. >> Okay.

Bri (Matchmaker)>> Did you have more? >> No. >> Okay. Um, >> do you want to start with a different question? >> Maybe some levity maybe like I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> No, it's always good to get for things to get interesting. But uh yeah, I mean look, my position is if somebody is going to

Brian Atlasforward a criticism, I think it's a bit cowardly when you ask them to back up. Why? Why are you doing this? >> Oh, cuz of what this person's saying, which is crazy. >> Oh, the super chat. Okay, I didn't see

Brian Atlasthe super chat. Not you. Not you. Not you. Um, I do think if you ask somebody to defend their position >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> and they like run away and they won't actually back it up with any evidence for the claim. Yeah, I think that's a bit cowardly. >> Fair. Fair. >> Like I would have I didn't want to get

Brian Atlasbogged down in this meta conversation. She brought it up. So, if you bring something up, I'm gonna want to address it. Like, simple as that. >> Okay.

Bri (Matchmaker)>> If if you can't handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen. >> No, understood. I get it. That I mean, we're literally in a open forum like debate setting, so like I I get that. I

Brian Atlasget that. Absolutely. >> If she didn't want to receive push back, she probably shouldn't have voiced her criticisms. >> I hear you. Like if somebody accused you of murder, are you supposed to just say,

Brian Atlas"You know what? Yes, even if you didn't do it, uh, you're right. I did commit murder. Guilty is charged. Put me in the uh execution chair." >> No, of course not. >> You would defend yourself. Right. >> Right. >> Yeah.

Shay>> So, in this case, I disagree with her assessment. I think it's fair for her to >> mount a defense of her position. >> I think we should leave it there. And do you want to ask us like another question about the relationship stuff?

ShayUh, >> you said you had some stuff written down. Did you want to start with that? >> Well, I think Is she Did she Is she returning? >> I think she just needs a little break. A >> break right now. A

Brian Atlas>> a break. Okay. Well, I mean, I will want some explanation upon return, but for the time being, I'm going to move it on. There's some chats here.

Brian AtlasYo, someone for the Looks like you bought some t-shirts. Uh, Felicity one. >> My bad. I'm actually rescuing a bee. The [ __ ] are you >> rescuing a bee? >> A bee.

SPEAKER_03>> Okay, just >> there was a bee, so I had to rescue it >> at the table or >> on the floor. >> On the floor.

SPEAKER_00>> Okay. All right. Trying to move things on, but draws my eye once more. >> Teddy Westside 29 donated $200.

SPEAKER_00J looks like an undercover cop. One, you look you drive a utility van. J2 looks like she wants to punch Brian.

SPEAKER_00Great smile. Felicity runs from police. Chair four, five are based. >> Thank you. >> Chair 2 looks like she wants to punch Brian. >> I actually went to college to be a cop when I was

Brian Atlas>> I could totally see that. >> Good job, Teddy. >> Well, I'm not going to punch you. >> Sounds good. >> Cool. We do not condone violence on the whatever podcast. >> I don't love that either. >> Nashabo donated $200.

SPEAKER_00>> Thank you, >> Rorian. WTF? Why? See one, please. For the love of all that is holy. Shut up. You are complaining about being tired, but you won't shut up. Dot. Attention

SPEAKER_00seeking drama. Kids are the worst types of people on earth. H.

Brian AtlasUh oh. Is this is this a rage quit? I think it is. Milktoast. Milktoast push back. Are you do you want to at least explain the rage quit? You

Bri (Matchmaker)want to come back for a moment. >> Don't quit. Don't quit. >> Yeah. Listen to her. Don't quit. >> Come back. >> It was a fun convo before the that thing. >> Look, are you >> We have your back. We have everybody's back. Let's just like

Brian Atlas>> No, they have your back. Don't worry. They don't They don't have my back. They don't have my back. No, it's okay. I just validate my feelings. >> Validate. What the [ __ ] >> Yes, I did. No, you guys. Look. Look. I don't need You guys don't need to have

Bri (Matchmaker)my back. You can have her back. I don't care. >> It doesn't have to Okay, can I say something? It doesn't have to be one or the other. It can be both. I can I can see your side. I'm a Libra, man. I just had a birthday. Like, come on. I can see

Brian Atlasboth sides. Okay. >> Do you want some applesauce? You want We got some We have some applesauce. What do you want? Applesauce. What do we have? We have uh

Bella (SBCC)>> I want her to come back. >> She can have a popsicle. >> Um

Brian AtlasBut you guys keep doing your thing. >> Okay. Yeah, just take a break. >> Yeah. >> That's okay.

Bri (Matchmaker)>> Okay, that's fine. That's all good. Take take a breather. >> I want to give her a hug. Like she's she's crying, man. Like >> Yeah. >> I want to give her That's the goal. Don't you understand? >> No. No. No. It's not. But it doesn't sat there.

Brian Atlas>> Take some accountability. That's not the goal. The goal is not to make people cry. You're doing that [ __ ] on your own. Take some [ __ ] accountability. >> It doesn't have to be. >> My goal is never to make anybody cry. That's a completely ridiculous,

Brian Atlasludicrous [ __ ] accusation. You continue your [ __ ] I was perfectly polite there and I said, "If you need to take a break, take a break." But you double down on your [ __ ] [ __ ] accusations. Never is it ever the goal

Brian Atlasto make somebody cry. Never. Ever. That's on you. That's on you. Don't put that [ __ ] on me. >> I think you should just give her a minute. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> She can say that I'm trying to make people cry, but I I defend myself and I'm the bad guy for >> I mean, yeah, defend yourself, but give her a minute. You know, >> I was I literally said, "Go take a break." And I was about to get into it

Brian Atlasand then >> was it my questions? >> There's there's this there's an idea of instigation here, I guess. Um, so anyways, I was trying to I was literally trying to move it on. I was

Bella (SBCC)trying to move it on. >> Wait, I want to say the like World War II, World War I questions are not to make you guys feel stupid. It's just fun in a change of pace. Like it's just light-hearted because Brian's not here. I'm not a debater by any means and it's

Hannah (NYU)just fun. Like >> I think she felt it was a gotcha. We do it every single show. >> I know. I've seen it. I think she just felt like that and needed a break. Those are just the questions that I typically ask because I'm not a I'm not a debater.

Brian Atlas>> That's fair. >> You know what's actually kind of funny about this? If she didn't like the chair for if she didn't say anything and I was just like, "Yeah, take a break. Go on the balcony, whatever." She actually made it worse.

Brian Atlasactually made it worse because it's kind of like I don't know affirming the >> I don't know >> like should have just honestly

SPEAKER_00um just let her like let her go on the balcony. I was can I go? Anyways, whatever. >> A message from the government of Canada.

SPEAKER_00>> Pasty George donated $2004. Brian is correct. As soon as he left the table, she went off to trash talk his

SPEAKER_00show while in the company of other women. Sisterhood bull boop.

Brian Atlas>> No, I don't know. >> Also true. >> I mean, technically that's exactly what happened. Uh, Pasty George never misses.

SPEAKER_00>> A message from the government of Canada. >> Pasty George donated $2004. Hey, Brian. If some panelists feel tired, should I do a coffee pop to help stimulate their minds and improve their

Brian Atlasfocus? >> We have energy drinks. >> We uh we don't like require somebody to send in like a a pop like we just have energy drinks back

Brian Atlasthere for the guests. We've we've had that for for a super long time. Uh, most people I mean it most people just opt to not have the energy drinks I

SPEAKER_00guess but um yeah, >> a message from the government of Canada. >> Pasty George donated $2004. Share one running away from Brian's

SPEAKER_00simple questions is what feminists do. They always run away when their viewpoints and positions are challenged. Then the sisterhood jumps in to ruin the day.

Bella (SBCC)I mean, I just don't understand why that was so escalated. She brought up the criticism. You came back and you asked about it and I feel like it just got really out of hand and I I don't understand why.

Brian Atlas>> Well, I think there's a tendency sometimes uh if you feel like you're on the back foot. Uh like if you've said something and you're

Brian Atlasnot really prepared to defend it, you're going to resort to my feelings. So, um >> I think that's what happened there. Uh

Brian Atlashold on. We have a super chat here from Pelagic. Pelagic, I don't believe her. This came in like 25 minutes ago. Thank you for the super chat, man. Don't believe her.

Brian AtlasI don't know what this is in reference to. Pelagic, you got you can include more uh with a with a 100 super chat, you can put more more words there, man. Appreciate it, man. Appreciate it. Uh,

Brian Atlaslet's see here, guys. $200 TTS, $100 read, Venmo, Cash App, whatever. Pod. >> You want to pull it up? >> Uh,

Brian Atlastwitch.tv/what whatever. Shop.Whatever.com. Get yourself some merch. discord.gg whatever. Like the video. Uh, I show speed chat. Who's ready for me to come on the podcast? Any

Brian Atlasweek now. It's happening. I show speed. coming on the show chat. Who's ready for me to come on the podcast? Uh here, I'll just get rid of that. That's already come up. Uh yo, Dan, thank you for the super chat, man. Appreciate it. Thank

Brian Atlasyou. Thank you. Nice duck photo, by the way. Also, # bigby matter BLM. Very important movement. All right, now that everybody is thoroughly uncomfortable.

Bella (SBCC)Um uh what was I saying? What were we talking about? What were we talking about before all that? the drama. >> Um, yeah, her criticisms of the show.

Brian Atlas>> Criticisms of the show. Um, >> like the seat placement and everything. >> Oh, the the seat just malicious seat placement. >> I mean, I know. >> I don't even understand. Most people like,

Brian Atlas>> isn't it kind of a privilege to get chair one? Like, you get to go first? >> I mean, I think it's whoever is the chattiest.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I mean, I sometimes have a general read on people and I'm like, "Okay, who's going to be like more chatty? I'll put them in chair one." >> I mean, >> but like what what can you infer that? >> Um, she said like her friend was in

Bella (SBCC)chair one, right? Maybe she's thinking there's some like ulterior motive like you have some what is I don't know. What is the ulterior motive >> that you want to >> I mean I put the person who I think is

Brian Atlasgoing to like I tend to put the people who I feel get a sense who are more conversational. I'll put them here. But that can vary. That can vary. >> Yeah, I I know this. I just don't know why she's >> I don't know. I mean, she doesn't know

Brian Atlasthis place. So, >> what was the other one after that? It was the >> the lighting. >> No, there was the chair thing. >> The the ordering of the chair. No, no, it was after the

SPEAKER_00>> eh, whatever. We have >> a message from the government of Canada. Hasty George donated $2004.

SPEAKER_00Entitlement, tone policing, sexism, misandry, false allegations, the ick, etc. These are some of the reasons why men are moving away from women influenced by feminism.

Bella (SBCC)>> Uh, well, there definitely was tone policing. on. Was there Missandry false allegations? I guess. >> Well, you got a little irritated, but I

Brian Atlasdon't think Tone policing is cuz you weren't irritated before until it started becoming like a back and forth. >> Well, I wasn't all that irritated like people have criticisms of the show. I'm >> I think you were just irritated with

Brian Atlaseach other. >> I was I was irritated >> that she she kind of started wanting to put on the tears and like >> Was she crying? Uh, well, not maybe

Brian Atlasthat's an exaggeration, but like but getting emotional is like an escape. I'm so tired. Blah blah blah. Oh my god. It's like at least back up your position, you

Bella (SBCC)know? Anyways, >> some people I don't know, just more sensitive, I guess. >> Do you think Do you think so? >> Yeah, some people are more sensitive. I know girls that I would like never

Brian Atlasinvite here because they're way too sensitive and would get offended. >> All right, we have Pelagic here. Um, Brian, it was clear, bro, this was such a mistake that this girl said the the

Brian Atlaschair for said this >> because now it's like, okay, I'm going to console you for 30 minutes in the bathroom when she would have been. This is This is why I'm like whenever I'm upset, I don't want to be consoled. Just

Brian Atlaslet me chill out for like 10 minutes and then I'm good. >> Like I don't want to Oh, let's talk about it. >> You want to hug? No, not really. >> Brian, you want a hug? A big a big bear hug from the hype. >> Yeah. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> No, but like that thing I feel like sometimes if somebody's upset, just let them [ __ ] cool off for like 5 10 minutes. Now she's like, I'm going to affirm all your feelings and let's have a [ __ ] therapy session in the whatever podcast bathroom.

Brian Atlas>> Therapy doesn't work. >> Validate. Validate. >> Oh, validate. Yeah. >> It's just I don't think it's productive, especially in this scenario where it's like just listen to your music on the balcony. That's totally fine. >> I mean, she seems >> a message from the government of Canada.

SPEAKER_00>> I'll pull this back up. >> Hasty George donated $2004. If chair one is not used to sitting in one place as she claims, then why did she come on the podcast when she was

Bella (SBCC)informed before the show on how long it could last? Bull poop. >> Yeah, she knew. She knew the details. >> Is what is she here? Are we just like [ __ ] talking her while she's not even here to defend herself? Funny how the

Bella (SBCC)shoe is on the >> I'm just asking cuz like it's like we're talking about her. >> Well, we're talking about the situation that just happened. >> No, she we're having like all these kind of fair game and she's not even coming back to like defend herself.

Brian Atlas>> So, I'm confused. Like, is she coming back or not? >> I I'm not sure honestly. >> She just listening to this. >> I don't know. There's some long therapy session in the bathroom. Pelagic 6. Brian, it was clear she was reading the chat, so I called her out. Chair one. Okay. Uh Pelagic, thank you for the

Brian Atlassuper chat, man. Appreciate it. All right. Well, I'm going to get off the meta conversation, then we'll get back into some of the topics here. I know some of you guys sent in some pre-show notes, so we'll just do that. Let's see here.

ShayUh, Shay, >> if it's the first one, I'd prefer not to talk about that, >> but I'll talk about two or three.

Brian Atlas>> You don't like Can I read it and you just say no comment? Is that cool? Loki, I'd prefer if not. >> That's fine. I'll respect that. >> Thank you. >> Uh let's see.

Brian AtlasSituationships. You say people are scared of commitment. Uh you said lots of mismatched expectations in relationships. >> Who is expected to pay, etc. Uh who is

Shayexpected to pay? Just remind me. I know we kind of talked about that, but what's your >> position on that? >> Like what we all talked about. Um it seems like there's a general um expectation that men should pay. That's

Brian Atlaswhat I was talking about. >> But um obviously that's not how everyone feels. >> Okay. I mean do you think that that's wrong? Do you think that shouldn't be the case? What do you think?

Shay>> I think we should move more towards like a even split. Um I don't think it should be >> even if the guy asks. >> If the guy asks that's totally different. But I think that having that >> but somebody has to ask, right?

ShayWait, I'm sorry. Ask what? >> Somebody has to ask somebody, right? >> Oh, are you talking about paying? >> No, for date. Somebody has to ask somebody out for the date, >> right? >> Yeah. But I think um people should just communicate that more is what I was trying to get with that.

Shay>> Communicate what more >> expectations and also when you're in a relationship, how you're feeling, >> um where you stand, >> like we talked about earlier, the the

Brian Atlashaving kids and stuff like that. I feel like that conversation can come up too late into relationships. >> Uh, Nick, can you uh close the door for for a bit? Just fully close.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, okay. And uh would you like to see a point like do you think uh like what about the other things though like paying for dates should be equal? Should women initiate

Shayas frequently? >> I think women should initiate more. >> Should initiate more. Okay. >> Um >> obviously that's not going to happen overnight. I don't know if it'll ever happen. >> I think we're moving closer to that. I

Shaydon't think it'll be equal necessarily, but I think it should be more common. >> I mean, >> well, like for example, I asked my boyfriend out. I told you this earlier. And I think that that was 20 years ago.

ShayThat probably wouldn't have happened. >> Uh I mean I not necessarily. Perhaps it's a bit more common now. >> Yeah, that's what I'm trying to imply. >> But you guys weren't like mutual friends or something first. We were, but I like

Shayofficially asked him to be my boyfriend. >> Oh, so you guys had already been dating though. >> Not >> like you guys had >> Well, not like officially. >> So, you guys never even like hung out romantically and

Shay>> Well, yeah, but I'm saying >> you confessed your interest in him. And >> the point is, >> will you be my boyfriend? >> The point is that I officially asked him to be my boyfriend when that's not a very common thing.

Brian Atlas>> That's all I'm saying. Uh, I actually don't know if that's the case. >> Have any of you guys asked a guy out officially? >> Well, hold on. There's two different things. There's like been dating a guy for 3 months, but you're not boyfriend

Brian Atlasgirlfriend yet. >> And then there's like making those initial efforts and initial moves. So, if you've already been dating the guy for period of time, like you'd agree you can be dating somebody and he's not your

Shayboyfriend. >> I wouldn't call it dating. I would say like you're in a situationship at that point probably >> or that's just like talking. >> Yeah, well the talking stage, right? >> Yeah. But >> right, but somebody can be in a talking stage for one, two, three months,

Shay>> right? Let me go around real quick though. Like has anyone officially asked a guy to be their boyfriend? >> Well, the better question is would be uh proportionality.

Brian AtlasSo, if you've asked a guy out a hundred times to be your boyfriend or sorry, uh, if the guy asked you or 99 of your boyfriends or whatever, sorry, I'm I'm getting my words mixed up here.

ShayIf >> the point I'm trying to make is just that it's not as common as I think you're thinking it is. So, like, have you ever asked a guy out to be your boyfriend? >> Nope. >> Nope. >> No, no, no. You got to say it. You got to say it. >> Never. >> No.

Shay>> No. >> No. I think I answered this earlier and said no, but I might have when I was in high school. >> Okay. But the the point is that's two of How many people are we like nine or something?

Hannah (NYU)>> So that's all. >> Wouldn't that bolster my position? >> She's also saying it's not common. >> Yeah, that's all I'm saying. >> Oh, you're saying it's uncommon. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. Well, I mean there's I agree with you.

Bella (SBCC)>> I think you guys have the same position >> that women ask men out less. >> Yeah. I don't know why you're arguing with me for that. >> Okay, maybe I >> misunderstood. Yeah. >> Uh, okay. Someone bought a hoodie. Hold

Brian Atlason. Why is that Why does that not pull up? Hold on one sec. Uh, thank you, whoever that is. Oh, you don't have to show it. That's okay. Thank you, man. Uh, okay.

Brian AtlasIn your opinion, dating apps seem to be more about finding male validation than actually finding a relationship. People don't see online people as real individuals, so they'll just ghost them. Uh, so wait, qu you've been on a dating app?

Bri (Matchmaker)>> No, I haven't. >> Oh, you haven't even been on a dating app? >> I'm speaking from like >> your friends. >> Oh, >> yeah. >> And so are male friends on a dating app? I'm not going to say which one, but I did.

Brian Atlas>> Um, wait, so you're saying uh dating apps, it's about uh men finding male validation and not the reverse? That's not what I was saying. >> In my opinion, dating apps seem to be

Shaymore about finding male validation. >> I think that well both I think that women seek male validation and vice versa as well. >> Okay, wait. Sorry, I wrote that really quick.

Shay>> Let me clarify. I think I see what you're saying. So, you're saying that uh >> like it's less about women are looking for male validation. >> Both people are more Okay, let me just

Shayclarify since no one else is reading this. What I wrote was, I think dating apps are more about people finding like validation or like hookups rather than actually a relationship

Brian Atlas>> and building a solid foundation and a connection. >> I would say that's true. >> Agreed. I would say that's true. >> Yeah. >> I mean the I I think both men and women can use dating apps for validation or to

Brian Atlasreceive validation from the opposite sex. And I don't know if this is how you meant to frame it, but my >> No, like I said, I wrote that in like two minutes. >> I maybe my original misinterpretation

Brian Atlaswas that men use the dating apps to like get validation from women more so than women use it to get validation from men. >> No, I was saying both. It's it's just

Brian Atlas>> my my only gripe there would simply be I agree with you. Both men and women do pro get validation from dating apps without any genuine intention of like meeting somebody or whatever. I would

Brian Atlasargue though that it's more so the case that women use dating apps for validation than the reverse. >> I agree with you. Agree. >> Like it's way, for example, um I think

Brian Atlasif you're a guy on a dating app and a girl's like, "Hey, I'd like to go on a date with you." I think it's way more likely that the guy's going to take her up on that than like you're a girl on a dating app and the guy's like, "Hey, I'd

Brian Atlaslike to take you out on a date." A lot of women, they just enjoy the attention, the validation. Uh not to say that men don't do it, but to say that this is

Bri (Matchmaker)more pronounced in women. I somewhat agree with you, but I do think that um like the standard of modern dating is I

Bri (Matchmaker)just think that people in general have just become a lot more flaky, less reliable, and less dependable, you know, cuz Absolutely. I know plenty of people

Bri (Matchmaker)who, you know, have maybe reached out via, you know, Instagram or social media or whatever to a guy for instance, you know, to show interest and then the guy like never responds, you know. So that

Bri (Matchmaker)also does happen. It also does occur. Does it occur less than what a guy to respond to or a guy to um approach a woman like online? Yes, I also agree

Brian Atlaswith you on that. So yeah. >> Okay. Uh, speaking of which, uh, you know, I think it's fair game. I was asking you be, so you were

Brian Atlasoriginally supposed to appear with a friend on the show and she like, by the way, I I didn't say this before the show. This is she's been trying to be on

Brian Atlasthe show. We re we've been talking to her to your friend since 2023. >> Okay. >> So, this is the third time that she's flaked on us. Last minute, by the way.

Brian AtlasLast minute. Um, so you know, whatever. It's the third time. We gave her chances. >> Strike her. >> Yeah. Um, she was supposed to be on the show today

Brian Atlasand then she claimed she fell off a horse and hurt her rib. >> That's what she told me. Yeah. Verbatim. >> Chat, do you guys think? >> Verbatim. That's what she told me.

Brian Atlas>> I don't believe it. I don't know. I looked at her IG story. She's all She's Unless these are from like >> Are you going to show it? No, I'm not going to show it. >> But she looks good. She's on a walk at the beach with a dog >> chilling. I saw her. She looks good last

Brian AtlasSunday. >> She's eating a a a burrito wrap >> today. She lied to you. >> She's She's walking around with her dog. >> Just walking around her. Maybe that's from a different day. I don't know. >> Her loss.

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. Maybe she's lying. Maybe she's lying. But she looks good. She looks like she's doing okay. Actually, should I just >> Good. I I hope she is. Not IG. I don't know. >> I hope she's good. >> Who knows though. Who knows? Sometimes

SPEAKER_00with the I don't know. Just thought it was uh related to your thing here. >> A message from the government of Canada. >> Usually girls >> George donated $2004.

SPEAKER_00When women say stuff like we should base the relationship on our feelings, she wants the relationship to be focused solely on her wants and needs. Traditional non-feministic women do not

Bella (SBCC)think that. What should the relationship be based on? I I never even thought of it like that.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. All right. Uh moving on here in the notes, we have let's see here. Hold on. Uh nope. No faith.

Bri (Matchmaker)Yeah. Uh >> so you're you're eliminating her from ever coming. Is that how it goes? Or >> honestly, she'd have to pay like a $300 deposit if she wanted to. >> Wow. >> Not sorry. Not even the deposit

Brian Atlasrebooking fee. This is the third time she no show. Well, flaked no show, whatever. >> So, she'd have to she'd have to pony up. >> Uh, we're not normally after one flake.

Brian Atlas>> No. Yeah. I mean, that's how it typically is, >> but we gave her a few passes already. So, um, >> that's kind of you. >> Okay. Hannah. >> No, it is. It is. >> Yes. >> Uh, you're a non-denominational Christian. You said you had a man try to

Hannah (NYU)scare you by talking about serial killers and punching at your face. >> Yeah. >> Inches away. >> Yeah. >> For not hitting you. >> I stopped using dating apps because of it. Um I just Yeah. He he tried to scare

Hannah (NYU)me. >> I didn't give him the satisfaction. I just went in stonefaced and >> he was, you know, punching inches from my face and I just >> like multiple punches.

Hannah (NYU)>> Yeah. Like trying to get a reaction and Yeah. There's that's a good example of, you know, evil masculinity out there. But I think most men in general >> have a positive view towards women and

Hannah (NYU)want to protect them. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Got to be careful on the dating. >> Just a bad experience. Why was he trying to do that? >> He was talking about boxing or something and was just >> Was he was he drunk? Not that that excuses it.

Hannah (NYU)>> I don't think so. I think he was just crazy. >> So like you met up with him. >> Like show us how close to your face he was. It was It was an inch, I'd say. >> That's a lot. >> That's a yike. How does this even

Hannah (NYU)>> What was he trying to demonstrate? He I think he was genuinely trying to scare me. I think it was a power thing. So cringe. >> Were you guys just like on a date and then all of a sudden he starts being like >> punch you and talking about serial

Hannah (NYU)killers? >> Yeah. Was it was started off talking about you know death metal serial killers. He started saying like, "What if I was?" And yeah, it was a crazy

Hannah (NYU)experience, but it just seemed to me like what I read from it was he was trying to get a response, a reaction out of me and I just didn't didn't give it to him and then

Hannah (NYU)>> scary ended there. Yeah, we were in a public place. There were people around. >> I just >> What the [ __ ] Sorry. >> Give it to him. >> That was my bad.

Brian AtlasThat was on me that time. >> What the [ __ ] was that [ __ ] >> Grid one redeemed. Uh, >> redemption arc there. Uh, >> I just felt I don't know why that

Hannah (NYU)happened. >> He treated me as not a person. Like it was a date so that he could get something out of it. And I think people treat relationships as transactional now rather than you know.

Brian Atlas>> What was he trying to get out of it? Like a [ __ ] power. sparring match or some [ __ ] >> I don't know. I don't know. >> Trying to spar with you. >> Yeah, maybe he could. >> That's just weird, man. >> Someone he could steamroll. Maybe. I don't know. >> Damn. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> He's just an extremely weak person. >> You uh You also said women are to blame for hookup culture. You say it's largely women's fault. Women control, you say this, women control access to sex

Brian Atlas>> and when it's given away so easily, it conditions men to expect it >> instead of valuing it. You want to elaborate a little bit there or? >> Yeah. I think when women just allow men

Hannah (NYU)to access to their bodies with nothing in return, no commitment, nothing, it sort of ruins dating for the rest of us that have high standards and are waiting for people that will treat us with

Hannah (NYU)respect and value us for more than just our bodies. I think it creates more men that seek out women's bodies instead of a relationship.

Bella (SBCC)>> Okay, gotcha. Any anybody on the panelist? >> I agree. I think that women they think like >> maybe let's hear from disagrees first. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Agree. Do you agree? Are women to blame? That's her position for hookup. >> I don't know. I feel like it goes both ways. I feel like I mean I agree with what you say, but also I feel like it's also you could also say that about like

Mahi (DT263)sex work and like Only Fans and stuff like that. I feel like hookup culture itself I feel like it goes both ways. is like I know a lot of men who treat women really disrespectfully and like they are

Hannah (NYU)the ones who always were getting with multiple women and I don't know I just my experience >> the punishment for that would be you never have a fulfilling relationship with a woman though I think if men act

Hannah (NYU)like that towards women they should be punished for their actions and I think when men act like that yeah that's their reward but when women >> Yeah.

Bella (SBCC)>> Is that a coke spoon on your neck? No, it's a tennis racket. >> Wa. >> That was >> I thought it was like one of those little spoons. I'm sorry. I was just staring at that. >> What the [ __ ]

Bella (SBCC)>> Thank you though. No, I I've never done drugs. Sorry. >> I have bad vision. I'm blind in one eye. >> That's all right. >> Yeah, it looks like a raet ball. >> It has Yeah, it's a tennis racket with a >> a coke. >> Yeah, like the little spoons.

Hannah (NYU)>> How do you know about that? >> I don't know what that is. >> How would you know about that, Felicity? >> Because you see them on the internet. >> Oh, yeah. in Minecraft. >> What? >> Yeah, in Minecraft. >> The [ __ ] >> Yeah. >> Uh >> I think you can't change men's uh

Hannah (NYU)nature, though. >> Chill out, Brent. Chill out. >> Yeah, that's all I I was making my point with that statement. >> I think a lot of women tend to think like if I have sex with him, he'll want to date me. >> Yeah, I agree. And it's it's not true. I

Hannah (NYU)think you can't change a man's nature. Like if you offer him sex, he's going to say yes. He's going to take it. You're giving it to him for free. you know, he doesn't do any work. Why would he want a relationship with a woman who's going to

Bri (Matchmaker)give that out to anyone? >> I think men always naturally have the expectation um of getting sex in return for

Bri (Matchmaker)something. And I think you're completely right in the fact that it's up to us to decide whether to allow access or limit

Brian Atlasthat. So, I agree with you there. H. >> So, did she leave or what's going on? >> Hold on. I don't know. >> Confused.

Brian Atlas>> Um, what's the sitch? What's the What's the situation, Mary? >> Hello. Is Mary there? >> Yeah. >> What's the sitch? >> Mary.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Uh, no. Just hang tight, Nick. Um, well, I'm going to continue on with the notes. I'm not going to linger on that. Uh, hold on. I need to change one thing

Brian Atlashere. Let's see. Uh, no, I think we're pretty much done with your notes, Hannah. Yeah, that's it. Uh, going to Forgive me if it's Mahi. >> Yeah,

Brian Atlas>> Mahi. >> You said that, uh, couples in college shouldn't restrict each other. Your partner is not your parent. Should not tell you what you can and can't do. If you want the best for your partner, you shouldn't tell them they can't go out.

Brian AtlasSo, like going out to parties, I'm imagining maybe also like what to wear, that sort of thing. No, just like parties. >> Oh, no. Just like parties. >> Just parties. Okay. So, you're fine with a guy saying boyfriend saying don't wear

Brian Atlasthat? >> No. Like he shouldn't be able to >> Oh, he shouldn't say that either. Say that. >> Um, you say because you should want them to have as much fun as they can. As long as they're respectful, they should be

Brian Atlasallowed to do whatever they want. >> Okay. Uh, anybody here just agree with her position? Who agrees? Agree. Agree. Agree. Yes. Yes.

Hannah (NYU)>> I think you should be able to wear what you want, but I also think men have their own standards. >> Okay. >> And you know, if they don't want a girl who's going out and partying, they should not be with that woman.

Bri (Matchmaker)>> I agree. >> Whereas other men do appreciate that and want that. >> Mhm. Okay. >> Maybe less, but >> Okay. >> I think you should be able to wear whatever it is you want and have the

Bri (Matchmaker)autonomy to do that. However, I do think that if you're in a respectful partnership and your significant other does have an issue with something you're wearing, they should be able to freely vocalize that and then at least have

Brian Atlassome kind of a maybe conversation or something. >> Uh, okay. Um

Brian Atlasbecause I mean with the going out thing, right? Like I think it's reasonable that if you meet somebody and you and they're single, you perhaps

Brian Atlasexpect them to be acting in a way that's commensurate with being single. But once you're in a relationship, I think the thing like for example when it it depends how we approach the logic

Brian Atlashere. So if the logic is well things that are acceptable when you're single can they ever become unacceptable when you're in a relationship I think we would agree like for example you can technically sleep with whoever you want

Brian Atlaswhen you're single but when you're in a relationship that would be cheating in this case it's like what is the sort of acceptable behavior that you can and can't do once you're into once you're in

Brian Atlasa relationship. Um, and so I guess my question is maybe this might help paint a picture or articulate the male position. Uh, would you be okay with your boyfriend going to a strip club?

Mahi (DT263)>> No. >> Why not? You're that's really controlling and insecure of you. >> I mean, I would never go to any type of strip club like filled with all men. All I'm talking about was more just like the college aspect of it. like going to frat

Mahi (DT263)parties and going to house parties, especially like I came, this is UCSB is known as a party school, but >> my boyfriend has no problem with it because he does the same. He goes to frat parties, he goes to house parties.

Mahi (DT263)All I'm saying is I think people do it in a way like they're trying to prevent their part partner from cheating. Like they think I'm doing this so >> I they I think it's more they're trying to prevent cheating. Even though I don't if someone's going to cheat, they're

Mahi (DT263)just going to do it. I feel like putting these like preventative measures in place doesn't give any like use. And also like you were saying like if you don't want someone who's partying like

Mahi (DT263)you shouldn't be with someone like that. But I have a lot of friends who now are struggling because their boyfriends knew they partied in high school and they knew they went out but now all of a sudden it's a problem that they're in college even though they knew that's how

Mahi (DT263)they always were. So >> I think if you're scared of your partner cheating you shouldn't be with them. >> Yeah. that too. >> So then what's the objection to the strip club? >> I just think it's just like half naked

Shaywomen. I don't know. I just would feel uncomfortable with it. That's it. >> I mean, but in terms of like the cheating component of it. >> Well, strip club is mainly just for like

Shaysex and not having obviously, but like >> it's very the sexual appeal. >> Yes. >> Like what's the reason he's going there? Like I don't like most men. He's got a

Mahi (DT263)bunch of frat boyfriends and I would say boys strip club like compared to a frat. Like I don't think it's at all like measurable. Like a lot of people have broken up with their boyfriends just for going to strip clubs. Like even if they

Brian Atlasdidn't engage in anything. It's just kind of like why are you there? >> Well, I mean my position on this would be I think it's far more likely that somebody cheats at a bar or club versus cheats at a strip club. Cuz the

Bri (Matchmaker)difference is when you go to a bar or club, there's people who will [ __ ] you there. >> You go to a strip club, >> strippers, >> I mean, but do it for a price, right?

Brian Atlas>> Strippers do not want to [ __ ] Well, sure. Then we're getting into prostitution. Strippers aren't prostitutes. >> I mean, but but you go to a strip club, trust me, the strippers definitely don't

Brian Atlaslike the male clientele. They think they're pathetic. They would never even they're they think the the male patrons are pathetic. They think uh they're lame. Whatever. They're tricks. They're

Brian Atlasmarks. It's just money. >> They'll give the men attention, but it's just uh they're trying to get money out of these guys. They're not they like there's a better chance if I step into a

Bella (SBCC)club, there's a better chance of getting laid in the club than getting laid at the strip club. H. >> Well, why do a lot of young guys go to like house parties? Because they want to get some

Brian Atlas>> uh Yeah. >> I don't know. I I wouldn't date someone that parties a lot. >> You can party sometimes, but I >> um So, she's not coming like she's I'm assuming when she You say she's not

Brian Atlascoming back on the show. I'll come back to this topic really quick, but I just have to address this. Like she's not coming back to the table, >> right? >> Is she still in the building? >> Yes.

Brian AtlasOkay. Uh, Nick, we'll camera up. One sec, guys. Uh, is she can she hear me?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I mean, well, all right, guys. I mean, it's probably not going to be a rage quit on camera, but I'll film it, put on the Discord, I guess. But, um, you got your camera, Nick. Sorry, guys.

Brian AtlasI have to step away from the table. Felicity, if you want to continue the conversation momentarily. Uh, so yeah, that's a a delayed rage quit, but um yeah. Okay, be right back. Go ahead,

Bella (SBCC)Felicity. >> Um, I honestly think that like girls, we we don't always go out for like, oh, I want to get some I want to have sex, you

Bella (SBCC)know? Whereas guys, I think that's more of their goal when they go out. Like girls, >> you're right. >> We kind of were like, oh, I want to go out with my girls. Like when you walk up to like a group of guys that's out, especially here.

Bella (SBCC)>> Yeah. >> Um very lustful. I think it's fine to go out every once in a while, but like >> I don't know. Just the values that someone that parties a lot has. It doesn't align with mine. Like not

Bella (SBCC)someone that I would date. Partying once in a while is fine, but if they're like doing it every weekend, not my thing. What do you guys think?

Bri (Matchmaker)I think if somebody's out partying on a consistent basis, it clearly means that there's a disconnect going on in the relationship that should be further looked into, I would say.

Bri (Matchmaker)>> I mean, to be fair, like college age, they like people are really into it all the time. Yeah. I mean, when you're young, it's different, but like as you get older and you mature and you grow, that sort of becomes less of a priority

Bri (Matchmaker)cuz like we talked about, it's typically like, you know, family. It's typically like that type of thing. Not for everybody, but for majority, you know. So, um, if that is to occur like on a very consistent basis, then there's probably some underlying issues. I would

Kennedysay >> I think it's about balance. >> I agree. Go out sometimes. >> Yeah. Like if somebody has the freedom to go out and do whatever you want and you have that trust with your partner, go for it.

Mahi (DT263)>> No, totally. I agree. Yeah. >> And also like UCSB like I honestly I like going out every weekend. like I have fun and especially like it's all me and my roommates. Like I don't have my boyfriend here and he's probably like he's not going to be here the whole year

Mahi (DT263)so it's just me and my girlfriends and a lot of them are single and we like going out especially I'm a freshman like we I worked a lot in high school and I came to a good college and then but also UCSB is known as a work hard play hard school

Bella (SBCC)like all the parties here end at 12 and then and you're young go live your life. >> Can I ask you like how is your relationship now? like you started off um being like normal distance and now you're long distance. Like has that

Mahi (DT263)changed anything in the relationship? Like has it made anything harder or like what is the dynamic of that? >> Obviously, it's made stuff harder. Like we on we lived like 5 minutes away from each other. We went to the same school and that was how it was for 2 years and

Mahi (DT263)this summer right before we left we were together all the time because we have also a lot of the same friends. But it has been hard but I wouldn't say it's been super difficult. Like we call when we can. Um, he's really smart, so he

Mahi (DT263)honestly helps me with a lot of my chem stuff right now. So, we've been calling a lot because of that. But, I feel like I honestly would not recommend this though. Like, I'm doing it just because I can see myself marrying him. I don't think for sure like I'll be marrying

Mahi (DT263)him. Like, obviously, there might be things that come up, but I wouldn't I wouldn't be putting this effort in for anyone. Like, if I couldn't see myself marrying him, I wouldn't have done it. I would have just ended it and then done whatever I wanted here. And >> you think he's the one? >> Yeah.

Bella (SBCC)>> Okay, that's cute. >> Yeah. I mean, usually, honestly, I hear really bad things about relationships that end up being long distance in college, but I'm happy for you that like >> I'm also in a longdist relationship. >> Oh, really? How's that?

Shay>> And I honestly feel like it's going to improve our relationship like in the long term because >> Yeah. Because >> now that we're apart, we have more time with our friends and doing things that

Shayare actually really important to us versus like seeing each other every day. Cuz when you're near each other, that's like what you want to do. You want to see each other and hang out. So, I feel like it's kind of good for us to have our independent lives a little bit more and then also reconnect like at the end

Shayof the day. >> Like distance makes the heart grow. >> Got it. >> And then like when I went back home and we met it was it was so nice. It was like

Shay>> it was amazing being able to see them in person and like you know. So, >> how long have you guys been dating? >> Not that long. It's only been 6 months, but >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. cute and fresh.

Mahi (DT263)>> Honestly, I agree with you though. Like, I don't think obviously like it's halfway across the country. I would have preferred if it was closer. But I don't know if I would have wanted to go to the same school with my boyfriend either, even if we had the chance to. I feel like it's just you're too close

Mahi (DT263)together. Like you need to grow. And that's why also a lot of um like high school college relationships don't work out because you're not letting your partner grow and you're always like clinging to each other. Like you need to have independence and obviously it would

Mahi (DT263)have been nice if we're closer, but I mean that's what we're getting. And it's also been, I guess, nice getting used to like a different life, but then also knowing when I go back home, I have him. >> Yeah. Nice. >> And the next time you're going to see him is Thanksgiving. So, when was the

Bella (SBCC)last time you saw him? >> Um, like midseptember. >> Wow. >> You're like a trooper. I could not do that. >> So, you're comfortable? >> I could never.

Mahi (DT263)>> Wait, so you are you're not comfortable with him going out and partying? >> Um, no. I'm completely comfortable. Honest. I think like I want him to have fun honestly like um he's also really not the type of person to be honest like

Mahi (DT263)he'll go out maybe >> maybe honestly like no maybe every not every he doesn't go out every weekend like I do he goes out maybe like every two weeks but honestly I told him to join a frat I told him you should be going out every weekend sometimes he'll

Mahi (DT263)be text me like oh like I'm just going to stay in I'm like what are you doing like you should be going out and I don't know I think he just should have fun like all of high school he worked so hard he didn't really go to a lot of parties when we started dating actually started

Mahi (DT263)taking him with me to a lot of the parties. I think it's just like fun. Like I feel like you should have a balance of life and he wants to go to med school and I know in med school he's not going to go to parties. He's not going to go clubbing like stuff like that. Like in college he should enjoy it. So

Bella (SBCC)>> that's cute. >> Wait, so did he end up joining that frat? >> No, he didn't. >> Okay. >> He really didn't want to join a frat. >> I would not encourage and this is just me. Like this is not I would not

Bella (SBCC)encourage my boyfriend to join a frat because I don't trust frat guys. But like the stuff that goes on in those houses, >> the more of them there are, the less brain cells, you know.

Mahi (DT263)>> That's why he didn't want to join. >> Why did you want him to join? And why did you want >> Because for a guy for a guy to go out, it's so hard. Like for like in welcome week for a lot of colleges, like they can go to every party, but now like he has a hard time getting into a lot of

Mahi (DT263)parties because like either he has to pay like $20 or they just don't let him. They always let girls in cuz I mean obviously I just thought it'd be nice for him to join a frat because like he

Mahi (DT263)could easily like party like a lot more but also like he's in a lot of like really hard classes and that's how it was in high school. But he had like his sport he had like track to meet other guys who are more similar to him.

Mahi (DT263)>> So obviously in a frat I didn't want like he shouldn't have been like a top frat because they're usually not really the smartest guys. But if he was like a mid-tier kind of, he would have probably found people similar to him that would be different in his classes. So I thought like it would have been nice for

Mahi (DT263)him. It would be more similar to in high school for how it was. >> Why not a hobby though instead of a frat? >> I mean I mean he did join like a track club, but honestly a lot of it was just because it's easier for him to go out. Like now it's kind of like he's

Mahi (DT263)struggling and it's like no fun honestly. Like I know in college like if it was hard for me to go to parties like what do you really do? >> Yeah. Can you open the door for me? Uh, we have a chat coming through here.

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Brian Atlasyou know. He's a patron of the show. Always appreciate >> Pasty George. Uh, okay. So, uh, finishing off this, I I did want to come back to this conversation about men should not be controlling in this way.

Brian AtlasThey should, um, you know, you're saying men should not, uh, you know, try to control their girlfriend. Like, just let her go to bars and clubs and parties, etc.

Mahi (DT263)I would yeah I say if they're respectful then of course like I would I know for me and I know a lot of the people around me like they would be loyal like they like to go out they like to party but I would they would never cheat but

Mahi (DT263)obviously that's not fully true like sometimes women go out and they do cheat but >> at least for me I know I won't cheat so I don't really want like any limitations preventing me like thinking like oh like this is going to help her like not cheat like this is going to help her not cheat

Mahi (DT263)but >> I don't really need any of that like I know how to be respectful and still do what I want to do. >> If your boyfriend, like let's say you texted your boyfriend and you go out

Brian Atlasnext weekend and you here's my outfit, babe, and he was like, "Hey, you know what? You're fine to go out and party, but like can you wear something less revealing?" Would that become an issue

Mahi (DT263)in your relationship or would you I guess at the least have a conversation about it just >> I mean I feel like I would never really wear anything like too revealing like he does know like I do like to dress like I

Mahi (DT263)guess >> but if you did if you wanted to maybe Halloween's coming up people >> I mean Halloween is coming up yeah but like I mean it's literally next weekend for us for UCSB it's our whole weekend so I will be going out a lot more but >> I don't know what are you like a sexy

Mahi (DT263)cat or something. >> Um, I'm Piglet from Winnie the Poo. >> Sexy Piglet. >> And >> I mean, we have a few, but that's like one of them. But >> yeah, >> you have a couple different outfits.

Brian Atlas>> But okay, how about um you have the conversation. He's like, "Look, babe. I >> I'd feel way more comfortable if you wore, you know, he doesn't want you in a burka, but he's like, "Hey, can you, you know, put on a something less revealing,

Brian AtlasI guess, >> like what am I wearing?" That's if I found it reasonable, maybe if I >> Well, like you've been out to parties, right? These girls were walking around in lingerie. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Basically, um he was like, "You know

Brian Atlaswhat? Maybe can you put a jacket on or you know, something like that?" >> I mean, yeah, sure. I guess. >> Yeah. I mean, if it really is like reasonable, then sure. >> Would you feel a type of way about it

Mahi (DT263)though? I mean, I I really don't think I would ever dress a certain way where cuz I feel like I never there's a limit and I would never exceed a limit. Like even I don't want people looking at me in a weird way. Like I do it where I feel

Mahi (DT263)like good about myself but also like I don't want any unwanted attention. >> So >> what do you think about uh would you date a guy who plays video games? Yeah, I did. And if like

Brian Atlas>> Do you think it's okay for a girlfriend to tell her boyfriend to not play video games or play less video games? Like you think that's reasonable? >> I mean, if he was only ever playing video games and nothing.

Brian Atlas>> Well, if it was his catastrophic to the relationship, but there was times he wanted to play video games that she wanted to spend with him. >> So, he gave her some attention, but

Mahi (DT263)>> it would be a little weird. But I feel like I could understand like why the woman would want that because she feels like kind of ignored. But I feel like if he does it in moderation if that's his hobby like you can't you shouldn't be able shouldn't really stop him >> cuz I think a lot of women have a strong

Brian Atlaspreference to >> date men who don't play video games or just really in moderation. >> Um I guess the this is a bit gendered though. It's a bit of a gendered issue

Brian Atlasas it relate not the video games but as it relates to like going out partying and why men perhaps more so than women have a more vested interest in not wanting their girlfriend to party. Even

Brian Atlasif that's how they even met. I think things can change once you're in a relationship. It's like okay well you like the guy could go in thinking well she's single she's going out. Whatever.

Brian AtlasNow that I'm in a relationship with her, I kind of like don't want her going out because and well, there's a few reasons, but because the experience that men and women have

Brian Atlaswhen they go out is really differently. Like, if I go out to a bar or club and just mind my business the entire night, no girl's talking to me. I could go out

Brian Atlas10 nights, 20 nights, 30 nights. I just have my my beer, whatever. just at the bar, not not scowlling, but just, you know, open body language, whatever. No

Brian Atlasgirls are coming to talk to me. No girls. Uh maybe if you're really good-looking guy, maybe occasionally like a girl might come up to you. Well, if you're really good-looking, that's different. Uh

Brian Atlasbut you put any girl in a bar or club, average looking, good-looking, really good-looking, she's getting approached, she's getting hit on. Um, this doesn't mean she's going to cheat, but I do think it's a bit of a different dynamic that and we

Brian Atlasdo have to factor in like, okay, the differences here. So, I think the big thing is I guess I would paint it like this. Would you be okay with like your long-term boyfriend

Brian Atlasum going to I know you say he goes to frat parties, right? But like we understand the dynamics in these parties. Not to say that women never like will flirt, never initiate, >> but like usually the guy has to make the

Brian Atlasmove and like >> he has been hit on actually. >> Sure. I don't I don't deny that it happens. >> No, but like I mean and it doesn't >> but if a guy gets if a guy gets hit on once a night, the woman gets hit on 10 times a night.

Mahi (DT263)>> I mean, you just have to like think about it though. There's like especially here, there's so many beautiful women that go here and >> all of like everyone I don't know. Like it's just I think people overestimate how much their girlfriend will get hit

Mahi (DT263)on because in reality you're surrounded by a beautiful woman. Like you have to be able to show maybe just a little interest. Obviously like guys will come up, you shut the shut them down, they leave you alone. But also some guys I feel like here or at least what I've

Mahi (DT263)seen like they want you to show a little interest and then they'll go up to they'll keep talking whatever. >> Yeah. And I look I think things have changed quite a bit you know with social

Brian Atlasmedia, dating apps. There's le like before dating apps, I mean before social media, uh if you wanted, you couldn't slide into somebody's DMs, you can match with them on a dating app, you had to

Brian Atlasapproach somebody, whether that's at a party, whether that's after class, whether it's on camp, whatever it is, you had to approach somebody in person, or you can meet through friends, whatever. But now, I think I think it is

Brian Atlasthe case that men are going to, at least in person, are going to shoot their shot less often, but it definitely still happens. Um, but I think you take like an average girl, average guy, you put

Brian Atlasthem in a bar, nobody's like the guy's just gonna sit there all night twiddling his thumbs and the girl, you know, she might get a couple guys hitting on her. So, I think there's just this difference

Brian Atlaswe have to be aware of as to why men more so than women will like have an issue with it. And I think the other

Brian Atlasthing is is that men like we I get that women will shoot their shot, but it's so it's really rare. And so

Brian AtlasI think when you're in a relationship, like for example, do you think the way the majority of women go about putting themselves out there, it's not to do the

Brian Atlasthing that guys typically do, which is, okay, I'm going to hit on 10. Guys might be like, "All right, I'm going to hit on 10 girls tonight." I don't think women

Brian Atlasdo that generally. I think women will be like, "I'm going to go to the place and put myself in the situation to then be approached, right? Not to say some women shoot their

Brian Atlasshot, but so I think men and women um men are salesmen, women are marketers. So y'all make yourself you put yourself in the environment that would facilitate

Brian Atlasa man approaching you, but you won't actually generally like go and shoot your shot or you won't hit on like 10 dudes in the night. Whereas men will maybe you guys have seen some dude at the party bouncing from girl to girl

Bri (Matchmaker)trying shooting a shot, rejected, rejected, rejected, okay, boom, this one. And so >> I mean it's literally like that on like dating apps for instance. Like I know a lot of guys who will literally go on

Bri (Matchmaker)dating apps and just swipe swipe swipe swipe swipe. Like that's like totally normal. Whereas women, you know, it's like we only swipe for the guys that were somewhat interested in, you know.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. It's it's a different uh dynamic. And so, but I think though when when you get into a relationship, obviously the guy needs to give up his strategy. So

Brian Atlasthe guy gives up his strategy of I'm going to just flirt with a bunch of girls. But we don't ask women to give up their strategy, which is >> meaning. What do you mean? >> Well, the the woman's strategy is put

Brian Atlasyourself in these environments to be approached. That's the woman's strategy. But you continue doing this strategy even in a relationship. I know you're intentionally >> just going to parties. That's

Mahi (DT263)that is >> that's how people meet each other, right? I don't agree. >> I mean, I know a lot of girls like we just like to go out and we just like to dance. Like, we don't really want male attention. And also, I feel like it's

Mahi (DT263)more than just like you say like we market. I agree with that. We market ourselves, but I think it's more strategic strategic than that. Like we'll put ourselves in the guy's ey line. Like we'll be closer to them. Like just us going isn't like marketing

Brian Atlasourselves. I feel like a lot of times like I like to go out because I actually have fun. I like to dance. I like the music. >> Well, I think it's a combo. So, I'm not gonna say women only go out to get male

Brian Atlasattention, but I'm not gonna say, especially if the woman's single, she's not only going out for fun. >> Otherwise, my objection there would be,

Brian Atlasmy objection there would be, >> why, if it's really the case, these women hate it when they get some guy comes up to them, they [ __ ] hate it, right? Um, why aren't there like just

Brian Atlasfemale only nightclubs and bars? If it's just I want to dance with my girlfriends, there is some component of the mixed mixed sex dynamic otherwise women or you would just go to your

Mahi (DT263)girlfriend's house >> but it's like it's not it's just like a different environment though like it's like you're with a bunch of people you meet people like I am meeting like a lot of girls who are like a lot nicer like in these parties but also like at my I

Brian Atlascan't go to clubs and I can't go to bars house parties and these frats are like what we have >> well I guess Um, but I mean once people turn 21 there, you know, there are these environments and nothing's actually and

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