RAGE QUIT CRASH OUT?! She REJECTED 3 Billionaires?! Hater DEBATES Brian?! | Dating Talk #265

Date: 2025-10-20

Duration: 8h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBri (Matchmaker)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Hannah (NYU)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Sofh(guest)

SPEAKER_05Bella (SBCC)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shay(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Bri (Matchmaker)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Mahi (DT263)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Karina(guest)

SPEAKER_14Kennedy(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentKarina's near-death cocaine OD experience: saw hell, heard God

Key MomentBri: turned down 2+ billionaires romantically

ControversySofh rage quits crying after conflict with Brian

Key MomentSofh reveals she fled a conservatorship situation and thought she was getting paid

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests: Sofh (tower climber), Bri (matchmaker who rejected billionaires), Karina (repo agent/born-again).

Karina Near-Death Experience

OD'd on cocaine, experienced hell (demons, torture), heard God's voice, became Christian.

Bri Rejected Billionaires

Turned down 2+ billionaires; money/status does not equal happiness.

Career vs Perfect Man

Would you marry a billionaire or pursue career? Extended debate.

Sofh Rage Quit

Sofh cries and leaves after conflict with Brian over show format criticism.

Transcript

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SPEAKER_00>> donated $200 W panel? >> Thank you, man. >> No, only fans. They love Michael. Can't complain. kind of cool. Chair for is a dating coach. Would have been cool to

Bri (Matchmaker)see Juan here since he's one, too. >> Yeah, we'll get him back soon. Thank you, Adil. Appreciate the TTS. Um, >> by the way, I totally agree with you. Absolutely. On the money. Yes. >> Yes.

Bri (Matchmaker)>> No pun intended. >> Pun intended. The pun was intended. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Wait, so but I mean like >> you look perplexed.

Bri (Matchmaker)Well, are you sure they weren't just like trying to do something casual? >> Potent, you know, honestly, potentially. I'm not going to say that that that

Bri (Matchmaker)wasn't the case. I mean, I was prop propositioned as a um as a person that they they literally asked if they could date me. So, I don't

Bri (Matchmaker)think it was necessarily casual. However, however, I made this specification that marriage was an extremely important factor, non-negotiable for me. And then they

Brian Atlasvery transparently said that that wasn't on the table for them. So, I mean, everything was super transparent and open. >> Yeah. >> And how many you said a handful of billionaires. So, was it two, three, four,

Brian Atlas>> five? >> Less than four. More than two. >> Okay. >> So, three. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Give or take. Yeah. >> Okay. Turn down. Uh I'm trying to think

Brian Atlaswhat kind of trade-off. You know what? This is a good segue. Opening it up to the rest of the panel here. I know a lot of you are currently in college. I'm sure most of you have career ambitions

Brian Atlasof some sort of or the other. Uh assuming this billionaire is a good person, but you know, I don't want to

Brian Atlasmaximize all the potential traits. So, good person, treats you well. Um, you know, maybe nobody's perfect, but he's a billionaire.

Brian AtlasAnd you like him, he likes you, you guys are dating, whatever. Here's the trade-off, though.

Brian AtlasYou get to be with a billionaire. You get to marry a billionaire, but he says, "I don't want you I know some of you are first year, second year in school. uh he

Brian Atlaswants you to drop out of school and he doesn't want you to work. He's rich. You don't need to work, right? >> But you're going to go work from some corporation, make 70k. >> So essentially offer you like the tread

Brian Atlaslife dream. >> A little closer to the mic if you're speaking, please. But yes, >> got you. >> Uh so if you have hobbies, you can still do them, but you can't like if I don't know

Brian Atlasif you're in music, you can't pursue it as a career. You can do it as a hobby. Uh, but no career, no college, marry a billionaire. Do you take the trade? >> Hell no. >> Hell no. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. >> Yeah.

Hannah (NYU)>> Yep. >> So, I can't monetize anything. >> I mean, why though? He's a billion. He's a billionaire. >> My hobbies include turning my lifestyle into businesses. Honestly, I actually

Hannah (NYU)have a couple different ones. >> What do you mean your lifestyle? So, I own a classic car and I turn that into a car rental business where I rent out my car and other people's classic cars around San Diego.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, yeah. That that [ __ ] I mean, you can collect you can have your own private collection of amazing cars. And assuming you're ding a billionaire, every single car you could possibly ever want, you could possess. But no, you

Hannah (NYU)can't rent out. Why do you want [ __ ] random people farting in your car, sitting in your car? It's just for photo shoots and it's like their special moment in their life. Like it's fun. It's >> There's other people who do that. >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. They can see somebody else but not you. Do you take the trade? >> No. >> Don't take the trade. Wait, hold on really quick. What are some of the other lifestyle things? Is it just that? >> I sell vintage clothing.

Hannah (NYU)>> So, you go thrift shopping and >> I just enjoy making businesses out of things. It's like I had a shopping addiction honestly when I was younger and I turned that into a clothing business where now it cash flows. So if I buy things and

Hannah (NYU)>> you know don't use them anymore I turn it into >> cash. Are you on depot? >> Depart. Go ahead. >> No >> I wouldn't take it. >> What about you?

Karina>> I would say no. >> Won't take the trade. What about you? Did you take the trade? >> Um is he a follower of Jesus on the narrow path to eternal life? H >> he's Christian. >> Is he Christian like following or just

Brian Atlasbelieving? >> Wait here. Speak. Uh try to be straight with the mind. Um >> uh he's equally yolked. >> Oh, I like that you know the terminology. >> So yes.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay. So yes. Yes. The rest of you know. Interesting. >> Interesting. Okay. So why starting with uh well actually we'll

Kennedygo this direction. Uh, why >> I don't feel comfortable having someone hold me back that much. If I enjoy making money, it excites me more than

Kennedyspending money, honestly. So, if that's the only thing they can offer is their money and kindness, then that just wouldn't do it for me. If my partners

Brian Atlashold me back, >> well, I suppose they would offer you some of the other positive traits that you would desire in a person, >> right? But the trade-off is just you can't

Kennedywork. >> I personally enjoy working and I do. >> What do you do? Do you have a job currently? >> I own a clothing brand. So, I've been handmaking clothes since I was 14 and I've been selling them online ever

Bella (SBCC)since. >> Okay. What about you? You said no. Why? >> I said no because not even with um holding someone back from working. I'd love not to work ever again. It's more

Bella (SBCC)of the power of like the fact he could change his mind or find something better and then I'm just stuck. >> Well, let's assume uh does it change

Brian Atlasanything if you in the hypothetical he you know he stays with you? Does that change anything? >> Possibly. Yes, >> possibly.

Bella (SBCC)>> Yeah. If I know that it's going to be forever thing, then >> Well, let's say it's even five years. >> Even five years. >> Yeah, I'd do that. >> That's a lot of money you're gonna get in the What's that? >> I I'd do it for 5 years.

Brian Atlas>> She'd actually prefer 5 years cuz you can get the money. >> She can do whatever she want. Uh, no. So, I guess that then the hypothetical would have to grant you you he stays with you forever, but you stay with him

Brian Atlasforever. So it's not like no loophole where well okay I divorce him in five years and then I get to do my career in college and all that stuff. >> I did I if it's um for infinity infinity

Brian AtlasI I'll say yeah >> you do it you take the trade. Okay I see the concern there was I see >> the cut off >> uh why you said no. Why not? I think no because it's kind of a part of my

Hannah (NYU)personality honestly. Like >> renting out cars, >> not just cars, but I just love business. I love working. I think it's enjoyable. >> It's part of your >> It's something I'd want to I'd want to

Hannah (NYU)do, but I would honestly take Yeah. a 5-year break or like 10 year break to raise kids or something like that. But I I enjoy it. Okay. >> And I think he would be supportive of that.

Mahi (DT263)>> What about you? Um, I really want to work. Like that's something like I see for myself like doing it like most of my life and I think it'll be like fun and I want to help people. So, >> and you you said you wanted to be a

Shaypsychologist, right? Okay. >> All right. Want to work? What about you? >> I want to build a life for myself. I want I love learning. So, if I didn't have college, then I would just be

Shaystuck. And I think that building your own career is so rewarding and being successful enough to support yourself and support those you love is so important to me. >> But assuming in this situation in the

Brian Atlashypothetical you would stay with this person for your whole life. Uh wouldn't you be able to manifest these things through the wealth of your husband? >> I would have built it myself. I don't need someone else doing that for me.

Shay>> Wait, what do you want to do for work again? You said sales. Um, I'm >> You said medical device >> device sales. >> I am also I'm like on the fence. I don't know exactly what I want to do. I know I want to help people. >> Does that require a lot of traveling or

Brian Atlascan you stay local? >> Um, it depends where you It depends where you're at. >> Like if you're in a major city, maybe like LA, you could maybe stay local, but >> there's probably traveling medical device sales people,

Brian Atlas>> right? Um, do you think that like at when you're 60 or 70, 80, whatever, you're on your deathbed,

Brian Atlasyou you think you're you're going to look back at life and be like, man, that one time I sold that MRI machine, that was the pinnacle of fulfillment in

Brian Atlasmy It's like I sold that [ __ ] MRI machine and I, you know, he gave me this rebuttal And then I he raised this objection and I countered it with my sales tactics. >> It's not just that though.

Shay>> What what is it? What what is the ultimate fulfillment of medical device sales? >> Okay, so someone I know who's in medical device sales, she works for a company that takes placentas to use them as arm

Shaygrafts. Like that is it's a life-saving thing. and being able to bring that into other hospitals to help people who don't have access to that like currently I

Shaythink is so important and obviously not just you know the placentas there's other technology but I think expanding on that and furthering that is really important

Sofh>> okay what about you >> see don't get me wrong I understand that historically there always have been divine masculine and feminine roles that naturally we fall into and be us being

Sofhat a young age and also having like a Gen Z mindset of hyperindependence. I the girl boss mentality. I don't think that's fundamentally wrong because I think we all should embody that. But I

Sofhthink it also should be a role of a man. And I can say this firsthand. For example, uh the first time I ever had a door held open for me, I resisted it. This is with my current partner. I was like, "Stop, bro. Let me be like a hyper

Sofhindependent, strong woman in peace." I think it is part of a man's job to break that. Now, I agree with all these people. I want to build a life for myself and I don't like being given things without working for them. I don't think autonomy

Sofhshould be assigned a gender. You know what I mean? I But then again, when I'm 80 years old and I got my cottage in the middle of like rural Colorado with the love of my life and we're tending the

Sofhgoats, hell yeah, I'll take care of my grandkids. He can go he can go work the fields. I'm going to go milk the goat, you know. But I like the idea of harmony. I I don't think this is necessarily so black and white. Like I need to be entire. Isn't that the point

Sofhof a relationship? Unity and harmony. Like I said, I might be too young. But my my ideal life would be building a business with somebody. Uh pursuing a creative endeavor or a financial

Sofhendeavor with somebody. In my case, it'd be traveling the world or pursuing something that that we aspire together as one. Now, if >> just really quick, we got food for everybody. Do you anybody not want

Brian Atlaspizza? And is anybody like vegetarian? >> Thank you. >> You want pizza? >> Yeah, I do. >> Everybody pizza. Thumbs up. Thumbs up. >> Yeah. >> You're uh

Brian Atlas>> chair five. No pizza, please. Uh okay. So, my follow-up question is this. >> So, most of you won't uh trade your

Brian Atlascollege career educational ambitions for a billionaire. Uh what about this though? would if hypothetically we presented to you a scenario, new hypothetical.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, >> you get to work, you get to have a job, but it changes a little bit. You have to drop out of somebody, I don't know, some eccentric

Brian Atlasuh I don't know, the owners of Walmart, really eccentric, right? Not actually, I don't know, but the owner of Walmart is super eccentric, approaches you, and just really likes

Brian Atlasyou for some reason, and they say, "I want you to drop out of college, forget your career plans, but I'll pay you $1 million per year." That's a lot.

Brian AtlasHonestly, I'd be surprised if, no offense, I'd be surprised even if at your peak any of you ever even end up making a million dollars in here. No offense. Don't take it the wrong way.

Brian AtlasAll he wants you to do is be a door greeter. You just greet people at the door. Welcome to Walmart. You get paid a million dollars a year. You can't quit after 5 years. Oh, I've made 5 mil. I'm going to No, you got to work until

Brian Atlasretirement. All right. You know what? We can even you work till you're 50. I don't know. Whatever. 50 retirement. They pay you a million dollars a year over the course

Brian Atlasof your, you know, you'll make 30 40 M. You can pursue any kind of romantic relationship you want and you get to work. You're you're working. Do you take that trade? >> To be honest, I'm sorry. I still know.

SofhAnd that's not because of my relationship ideals. It's because of fundamentally who I am. If if I am a door greeter for 5 years of my life, disregarding the whole man thing, >> I consistently crave change,

Brian Atlasadaptability, adventure, and naturally I fall into like I'd fall into a crazy depression. Screw the million dollar >> average 40hour work work week. So it's like you can still climb towers and [ __ ]

Brian Atlason the weekends after work before. It's not like, you know, you get breaks and [ __ ] you know? >> It would time you me down locationally. No, I think it's I think it's you know, maybe >> it's somebody that I'm deeply

Sofhintertwined with. I would my stance would be a maybe. I think it's a lot more specific than >> you could build your own tower and climb that [ __ ] with a mill year, but okay. Uh do you take the trade? >> Can we go to different Walmarts?

Brian Atlas>> Different Walmarts? Yeah. >> Um, you can you can work at the Walmart in Hawaii if you want to. >> The you can work at whatever Walmart in

Brian Atlasthe country you want. I mean, maybe you can't move every two weeks, but if you want to move, you can. Oh, yeah. You guys can eat. Feel free. I need a good slice, too. >> Fine. I'll break the seal, bro.

Brian Atlas>> Just try not to Yeah, try not to like be a little far back. Uh, do you take the trade? Honestly,

Shayprobably >> you take the trade. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Why is that? >> Because it's Well, okay. It's not given

ShayI'm not getting it for free. It's not just like I'm working. Obviously, it's not worth a million dollars to be a door greeter. >> Yeah. It's like maybe 30 40k a year in reality. So, you're kind of

Brian Atlas>> I don't know >> kind of getting it. real good deal. >> But you said you'd do it. You said you take it cuz you're >> you're earning the money. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, you take the deal. What about you? You take the deal. >> No.

Mahi (DT263)>> Don't take the deal. >> Does it change if we up the price? 10 mil? >> No. Not the price. >> Doesn't matter. 10 mil. >> No. >> Interesting. Okay. Uh why? >> Like I'm genuinely really interested in psychology and I want to do that. Like I

Brian Atlaswant to help people and >> I have a pitch for you. You can psychoanalyze the people as they come into Walmart. A lot of characters in Walmart. Uh, you know, here's my couch.

Brian AtlasSit down. You can do some Freud [ __ ] Nope. Okay. >> Uh, you said you took the husband. So, uh, do you take the deal? >> Oh, man. Maybe take the deal. The Walmart deal. >> I don't think so. Honestly, >> you can't do your little car thing, your

Hannah (NYU)clothes thing. >> I don't think so. To me, it's more about the freedom of choice and the autonomy. >> Well, you still get to work though. It's is the work fulfilling or not matters. I think

Hannah (NYU)>> I mean you get to work smile at people and be pleasant but >> not super fulfilling I would say. >> What if you're just really bad at greeting people or don't want to be on your feet all the time? So many trust your normal you have RV.

Brian Atlas>> I can't cuz you're making me laugh now. Okay. >> Um but yes I do have RBF. >> Oh [ __ ] Okay. Um okay. >> Uh so you don't take the trade. >> Don't take the trade.

Brian Atlas>> A million dollars years ago. curious. Uh you you do have your own business. Uh how much do you make per year currently? >> Um maybe like 80 to 100. >> Okay. >> Maybe.

Hannah (NYU)>> And then like at your peak of your career, I guess. What do you think you'll be earning? Over six figures, 100K. >> I'm guessing Well, I work at a startup right now. I'm >> You have stock options or? >> Yeah, I have equity.

Bella (SBCC)>> Equity. Okay. >> So, if that does well, I will do well. Okay. So, but no, you don't take the trade. >> No. >> What about you? Did you take the trade? >> I took the husband. >> Oh, wait. Did >> after after um the

Brian Atlas>> Oh, after I said if he stays with you. I see. Okay. Uh do you question though between the husband and this new thing? Which of the two do you prefer? >> I'd still take the husband. >> Still take the husband. And then for

Brian Atlasyou, still take the husband. Absolutely. The billionaire. Okay. What about you?

Brian Atlas>> I think yes. You you take the $1 million greeter job at Walmart. >> Oh, sorry. No, I wouldn't. >> You don't take it? >> I wouldn't take it because

Kennedysince I do have my own business and I do feel confident that I will work hard enough to do well, hopefully I'll be making more than a million a year. And

Brian Atlas>> yeah, >> I mean, you know, but uh >> I also think the job, like she said, is could be pretty boring. >> Question. How much do you make currently? currently as a student? >> Well, you you you're you're active in

Brian Atlasyour business with your clothes business, your clothing brand. >> How much do you make currently? >> I would say about 7 to 10 currently. >> A year? >> Um, per month? Monthly. >> You make 7 to 10,000 uh per month?

Kennedy>> Yes. >> Okay. So, you make six figures. Oh, that's pretty good. You're 20, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. That's pretty good. >> Oh, yeah. >> Um, how long you been doing the business? Um, I started on a selling platform like um

Kennedy>> Shopify. >> No, like Dep Depot. >> Um, >> me too. >> Yeah, my freshman year of high school. So, I was 14. That's where I got the ball rolling and then I created my own website. Um,

Brian Atlas>> wait, question though, clarification. Profit or revenue? The 7 to 10K. Is that revenue? >> Profit? Because I I hand make all my clothing so there's my profit margins are pretty good.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Yeah. Uh so but your your calculus here is you plan to go on to make a lot of money with your business. So you think you'll actually out earn

Brian Atlasthis uh Walmart 1 million a year greeter gig. What if we boost it though? Let's just say you know maybe okay you do go on to be very successful and you make a mill or more a year with your clothing

Brian Atlasbrand. >> Let's boost it to 10 mil a year at Walmart. >> Mhm. >> Would you take it then? I would absolutely take that deal. >> Oh, you take the deal then. Okay. >> I think >> Yeah, >> she takes it then.

Brian Atlas>> I would take that deal. >> Interesting. Okay. So, here's my confusion with all of you guys. Uh, not

Brian Atlasall of you, but some of you. Some of you take the 1 million a year greeter job, which requires you to kick it in Walmart

Brian Atlasfor 40 hours a week. Uh, but you won't marry and you have to give up all the other stuff too, right? You'll give up college, give up your like your career,

Brian Atlaspreferred career for the Walmart greeter 1 million a year gig, but you like I don't know. Do we need to type out how much a billion is? There's

Brian Atlaslike really good videos on how much a billion is. I don't know if we can. >> It's a lot. >> Nick, I'm going to see if I can find a video. Uh, >> I think it's hard to conceptualize. >> Oh [ __ ] Oh [ __ ] I have to do a few things. Oh man,

Sofh>> don't mind if I interject, but why are we placing so much stress on on finance and money? A billion versus a million when it comes to your lifestyle? It depends what your dream lifestyle is. >> Hold on. A billion versus a million is >> it's a lot. Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong. But at the end,

Brian Atlas>> you might think you might think a million is a lot, but like probably I mean, if you're really frugal, that could it'll set you up really well, >> but >> after a certain point, your lifestyle

Brian Atlascan only get so good. >> Oh, hold on. But okay. million. That's like you're gonna buy a [ __ ] condo in Southern California and you're still going to have to have the job. >> You're still going to have to work till

Brian Atlasyou're retired. Even if you get a million dollar windfall now, you can invested and blah blah blah, but a billion, >> you're good. >> Yeah, >> you're [ __ ] good. >> You don't have to worry about money for the rest of your life. The only the only

Sofhreason I say this is because >> you got to speak closer to the >> I'm sorry. Some people crave lifestyles that require higher wealth. You know, obviously, I've just recently seen some of these Beverly Hills mansions. Yeah,

Sofhthey cost a lot. I've just dropped into California. It costs a lot. But the reason that I have the answers that I do are not because of any feminist basis or any hyperindependent basis. And don't get me wrong, I am feminist. I think I think we all are. I think we bossing

Sofhover here. >> But I it's it's just on a matter of >> the panel on that one. >> It's I mean that's that's for you to open up. that that's not my but at least my standpoint is >> sorry I just crave a simple life and the life I crave does not require

Sofh>> a billion dollars. >> It truly doesn't. So I don't put so much emphasis on a man's financial status or how much I'm making. As long as I'm making enough to lead a life that makes me and my long-term partner happy,

Sofhthat's truly all I care about. So that's more traditional than I guess you're you're letting us to believe because it's it's down to the fundamentals. I just want a simple happy life and I don't think that there's so much stress

Brian Atlason money, money, money. It's like come on, bro. Is this a like a dating podcast or let's talk about love, man? >> Well, I mean, it's interesting you bring that up. Although, if we look at

Brian Atlasdivorces, the primary thing cited to for the reason for divorce is financial issues in the relationship. So, this idea that finances are completely separated from relationships are

Brian Atlasridiculous. Even feminist liberal women frequently want men to be providers despite their claims of desiring equality. In fact, we can go around the table on this. Uh who here would

Sofhconsider themselves more liberal or would consider themselves feminist? Starting with you. >> I would say I'm pretty liberal. I'm not I'd say as far as the political compass goes, right or left, I don't think I'm either. I'm just straight down. I'm just

Brian Atlasvery anti-establishment. But I guess >> So you're like a anarchist or >> Yes, I'd say so. Um, you're a feminist though, correct? >> I'd say so. Yeah. >> What about you? >> Um, I would say I'm more liberal and a

Bri (Matchmaker)feminist. >> And feminist. Okay. What about you? >> I would say I'm liberal and a feminist. >> Okay. What about you? >> Uh, I would say I lean more towards traditional values and conservatism. >> Sorry. Wait, repeat that first part. I

Brian Atlasmissed it. >> More um traditional. >> Traditional values. I see. Okay. Conservative and not a not a feminist. >> No, I wouldn't. What about you? >> I'm the same. More conservative. More conservative. Not a feminist. >> Non-feminist. >> What about you? >> Same.

Brian Atlas>> As who? >> As um these two right next to you. >> Uh more conservative. >> Yes. >> Not not feminist. >> Less feminist than most. >> What does that What does that mean, though? Less

Bella (SBCC)>> It's a spectrum. >> Yeah. I wouldn't be all the way up there, but you know, >> equal rights, but >> uh should we smash the patriarchy? >> Yeah, why not?

Kennedy>> Okay. Okay, you're a feminist. Uh, what about you? >> Um, I would say I lean towards more the conservative side. >> I'm not all the way feminist, but I do

Brian Atlasagree with some of the values. >> Some stuff. Okay. I I understand it's not completely black and white. Uh, what about you? >> Conservative, not a feminist. >> Not a feminist. Okay. Question going

Brian Atlasaround the table. Uh, where do I start? Um, let's start over here. Even if you're a feminist, not a feminist, everybody can just answer the question. Uh, you might want

Brian Atlasto scoot into the table a little bit just so you're closer to the mic. Uh, should men pay on first dates? >> Yes. >> Okay. What about you? >> Yes. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. Yes. If he asked me out, yes. >> Well, uh, okay. I'll come back to that really quick. Go ahead. >> That's a hard yes. >> Hard yes. Okay. >> If he asked me out, yes. Well, you you're currently in a relationship. I don't know if you went on like a formal

Mahi (DT263)not formal, but you went on a first date with your boyfriend. Did he pay for the date? >> I don't even remember what our first date. We were like really young. It was like >> Well, um currently >> Currently, >> does he still pay for dates? >> Honestly, no. We do split pay. Like if it's my

Shay>> You guys are to be fair, you guys are both young. I don't expect him to pay for me. >> So, it's it's kind of a bit more common when you're both young. Uh what about you? Should the guy pay? >> Depends on who asks who out. So, if a guy asks me out, then he should probably pay.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. What do you I'll come back to that. What do you think? >> Doesn't matter to me. It truly doesn't. I paid for a couple first dates. I'm okay with that. >> That's fine. Going back to you and you,

Brian Atlasyou guys say, well, whoever I should pay, if he asks, he should pay. Uh, how many times have you How many first dates would you say you've had? >> Couple or

Shay>> uh, yeah, a couple. >> What? Three, four, five, six, seven. Um >> 10, 20, 30, 40. >> I don't know. I guess we'll say like

Brian Atlasseven or eight. >> Okay. Um of the seven or eight first dates, did you ask first dates? First dates, >> did you ask the guy or did he ask you?

Brian Atlas>> Um I feel like it's less formal the way like it's kind of like, yo, let's hang out. >> It's it's you know. >> Okay. I I understand that, you know, it's not like dinner in a movie. Although, especially when you're young,

Brian Atlasyou're not always >> doing like a really formal date, but um who's the one who's taking the I guess the easiest way I could frame it, the sort of initial initiative of requesting

Brian Atlassome sort of romantic rendevous? >> I'd say it's probably half and half, split, >> 50/50. >> Yeah. >> First date. Okay. What about you? >> Or sorry, no, no, no. This is for you. Uh, you say men should pay. If men ask,

Hannah (NYU)they should pay. Do you ask men out on dates? >> Um, yeah, more informal like that. Just a hangout, but I haven't really >> Well, have any of you have been on a formal date where the guy's like, "Hey,

Brian Atlaslet's go." Or I guess you could have said, "Hey, uh, first time hanging out really or whatever. Let's go grab coffee. Let's go grab some food." >> Yeah. You've had more formal,

Brian Atlas>> not just, I don't know, Netflix and chill or let's hang out. Uh, you you have formally asked a guy out for dinner. First date. I'm not talking about your boyfriend. >> Not for a first date. I haven't formally

Brian Atlasasked like that before. >> So, how many formal first dates have you been on? >> I I don't know. >> Three. Three. I I'll need You don't need to tell me exact. Just an approximation.

Brian AtlasThree, four, five. Somewhere in that three, four, five. >> And was it always the guy who asked for the formal date? >> Yeah, I guess. >> Okay. What about you? >> Maybe 10. >> 10 formal dates?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay. Did you Did the guy ask? >> Yeah. >> Every single time. Okay. >> So, this idea, well, whoever asks should pay does conveniently ignore the fact

Brian Atlasthat de facto men are initiators, men are the askers uh almost all the time, the majority of the time. So, it's kind look I would this idea of whoever I should pay, I could be on board with

Brian Atlasthat if it was the case that men and women asked each other out at comparable rates, but they clearly don't. It's probably like 90 955. >> Can I add?

Hannah (NYU)>> Sure. >> Sometimes if there's not going to be a second date, I will pay half usually cuz you know >> that's fair. And I've definitely paid for dates as well. >> Well, first dates.

Mahi (DT263)>> Yeah. >> Like I get if you're dating a guy, you know. Okay. You had something. >> Yeah. I just want to say that I'm like I don't mean my boyfriend. It was a really weird way we met, but I just want to like it started because I kind of like

Mahi (DT263)told him first that I liked him and then like I kind of did that. So >> Mhm. >> Cuz you said >> you you >> I guess I I kind of initiated us like talking getting to know each other more.

Brian AtlasOkay. >> Yeah, me too. I literally asked my boyfriend out. >> Wait, do you want the pizza or? >> Um, I'm good for now. >> Okay, let's uh maybe Felicia, when you get them home, are you guys done with your pizzas? >> Yeah, I'm done.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, maybe we I guess we'll leave eventually. >> We'll leave them there for a little bit, but >> just if you guys want to nibble. Um, >> nibble. Yeah. >> Wait, sorry. You were saying something about >> just like you said >> you hit on your boyfriend.

Mahi (DT263)>> Yeah. >> So, you guys went to school together? >> We did. We met through a mutual friend and um the person who introduced us also liked me and we all kind of knew it but

Mahi (DT263)I was interested in my boyfriend. So we kind of I confessed to him like secretly and then we kind of started seeing each other for a month until we told everyone. >> So uh Matt, thank for the merch. Chris,

Brian Atlasthanks for the merch. Appreciate it, guys. Um okay, so wait, hold on. Let me just get back to the original point here. Oh, right. the whole like feminist thing or whatever. How where I'm trying

Brian Atlasto remember where I was going with that. Um, >> you were making a point about how you're more feminist. >> Yes. >> And because of this, you don't care as

Sofhmuch about money, right? >> Not really. No. >> Then again, to be fair, I've never really had a formal date. I mean, most recent one was I got taken out to Dave and Busters, you know, once I >> Not sure how that's relevant, but thank

Brian Atlasyou for sharing that. So, going back to this, uh, who here said they were feminist and also said men should pay on first dates? I think it was you. I think >> Oh, that's not what I said.

Sofh>> I think you said men should pay, right? >> No, she said it was conditional. It was like based on the circumstance. >> And I've also paid for dates like first dates, too. And I literally asked >> Is this the majority or you said 50/50? >> 50/50. And also, I was the one who asked

Brian Atlasmy boyfriend to date me. >> Yeah, that this this does happen. Although I would say there's no dispute that women do ask men out. There's no dispute that women do pay for first dates, >> right? >> But what I'm trying to get at is I'm I'm

Brian Atlastalking more so in averages. >> Gotcha. >> So, and it's not even average. The majority experience would be men are going to be the initiators and men are going to pay for dates, right? Uh not to say that there aren't instances where

Brian Atlaswomen will initiate, where women will pay for dates. I don't I don't have an exact, you know, there was a study on it. I would put it to be conservative.

Brian Atlas95% of the time the guy initiates. 95% of the time the guy pays for the first date. Um I'm curious though to hear from any women here who um like for you for

Brian Atlasexample, have you ever paid for a first date?

Brian Atlas>> Not that I can recall. No. And you're uh 36. How many first dates do you think you've been on? Dozens. >> Oh my god. >> Hundreds maybe. >> I don't know about hundreds, but quite quite a few. >> Yeah. Maybe like 40, 50, 60.

Brian Atlas>> Probably around that. >> Yeah. I mean, look, if you you've been dating since you were 18, you know, uh you go on two or three dates a year, you're at 40, 50, 60. >> I was single for five for five years. >> Sure.

Bri (Matchmaker)>> So, yeah. >> And sometimes people go on 10, 12. >> Yeah. I went on a >> bunch of dates in in in a short period of time. >> Uh never paid for a first date. >> I split um I split a first date one

Bri (Matchmaker)time. >> The guy actually reached over and grabbed my food >> which I was dis discusted by. >> Uhhuh. >> Um and then we split it and I ne I

Brian Atlasblocked him. >> H good times. Um and have you ever asked the guy out first? I've never asked a guy out. >> Never asked a guy out. Anybody here never asked a guy out? >> Never. >> Never asked a guy out. >> Is that Sorry. Are you saying no?

Brian Atlas>> You have >> like mutual mutual hangout but like not directly. >> Uh have you ever been on a dating app? >> Yeah. >> On a dating app? Did you ever say to a guy, "Hey, let's go out." Or was it always the guy asking?

Brian Atlas>> Usually the guy. >> Usually the guy. Anybody here? Uh never asked a guy out. >> No. >> Never asked a guy out. By the way, guys, just people audio podcast, so instead of >> Oh, >> like just

Brian Atlas>> No, I have not. >> Okay. Uh, no. >> No. >> Ever asked a guy out? Never asked a guy out? >> Have Now, here's the real kicker on this. >> Has a guy ever asked you out? >> Yeah. Exactly.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Oh my god. >> Is that a trick question? >> Like, what? Hundreds of men have probably I'm not saying you went out with every guy. You guys have probably rejected tons of men, but

Brian Atlashundreds of men have asked you out. Thousands even maybe. >> This includes like Instagram DMs, dating apps, in person. >> Of course. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] some dude you're repoing his [ __ ]

Brian Atlas>> Actually, that that has >> Oh, wait. Yeah, we got to talk about that. Have you ever like >> Good times. >> You're [ __ ] repo. I feel like that's a media red flag, though. It's like, [ __ ] I'm repoing this dude's car, but he's kind of cute. Yeah,

Karina>> in South Florida in Miami, I get a lot of the old men. >> Oh, those old men. >> I read both their cars and uh >> like bokeh. >> Uh going to you, how many times have you been asked out >> social media and in person? >> And and by the way, not saying you

Brian Atlasactually went out with You could have rejected them, but how many times total? >> I would say >> couple dozen. 100? >> I would say a couple dozen. >> Couple dozen. What about you? 100 plus. >> Yeah, a couple dozen. >> Couple dozen. 100 plus. >> 100 plus. Probably >> thousand plus. >> I don't know. >> You don't know? What about you? Probably

Sofhnot. >> 100 plus. How many guys, you know, >> couple dozen, I guess. >> Couple dozen. >> Probably like 40, 50. >> 4050. >> Online couple dozen. But in person, >> the mic into the mic. >> Sorry. Online a couple dozen. But in

Sofhperson, it was always like we were friends and then it just fell in naturally. So there was It's a hard conversation cuz it's like I didn't ask him out. He didn't ask me out. It just it just grew naturally. So I've never really been on like a formal date. That's why this is so hard for me to

Brian Atlasanswer. >> Okay. I guess to kind of wrap this all together, link it all together, I was asking you guys about would you give up uh college and career for a billionaire?

Brian AtlasWould you give up college and career for a job that pays you a million dollars? I'm just so confused. Like,

Brian Atlaswho doesn't Why would you not pick the billionaire? That's my confusion. Like, you want to rent your car out? Seems like a Hold on. All you guys wanting to do all this work and I got to go to

Brian Atlasclass and study for my final. I got to I have to play this for you guys. Hold on. Wait. Hold on. Where is it? >> I don't know, man. That sounds like a lot of work. >> Sounds like a lot of work.

Brian Atlas>> You can meet a bill. You meet a billionaire. You You never have to work a day in your life. >> I hate that. >> You're taken care of. Your family's taken care of. Your kids are taken care

Brian Atlasof. Your grandkids are taken care of hund maybe dozens or hundreds of generations of your future well grand great great grandchildren taken care of

Sofhgenerational wealth. >> Yeah. >> Which is kind of interesting. Why is that? seen what wealth does to people generationally, especially

Sofhbeing from South Florida, going to school and living in like a very very not just, you know, actual status, like how much you have, but the the money mentality. I

Brian AtlasI'm just not a fan of it. >> You've already you already have the money. So then ultimately though, this wouldn't have really anything to do with the money. It would come down to your parenting. You can still be obscenely

Brian Atlaswealthy and you could raise your kids in such I'm not suggesting that. I mean, you can take care of your kids exceptionally well, but you don't have to spoil them. They don't have to be little spoiled brats. In fact, you can

Brian Atlashide the degree of your wealth. You know, you don't need to let on to your children. By the way, you know, we're super rich. You can I mean, they might get some hints through your >> lifestyle. Raise them simply with

Sofhfinancial stability. I understand that. It's just a matter of locking myself down to a Walmart. Now, if you were to tell me like, hey, >> or to a billionaire man, >> it it's personality based. I would rather struggle with somebody. I would

Sofhrather be sleeping on the streets with somebody if that somebody aligns with my >> You'd rather be homeless. >> No, that's not what >> you said. Sleeping on the streets. I mean, >> what I'm saying is about the character. >> Aren't you homeless currently? Technically,

Sofh>> kind of. >> Well, you do like the travel [ __ ] you know? >> Conditionally, I guess. But what I'm saying is, look, if the billionaire just so happens to be my align karmic soul twin the other end of my red string and

Sofhhe just so happens to be a billionaire, beautiful. But that's not what I that's not what I think about when I think of relationship and and marriage and long term. I just I just want a soul that >> Okay, what about the other Let's hear from the other girls.

Mahi (DT263)>> Sorry, my fault. >> What do you guys think? >> To me, it's just like not a fulfilling life. Like I love shopping and I love like doing >> shopping. Yeah. How long can I do it for? Like my whole life just shopping and doing nothing. Traveling. No. Like

Brian Atlas>> that's it. Yeah. But that's not like that's not fulfilling. >> Hang out with your billionaire boyfriend, husband, whatever. Have kids eventually if you want to have kids or not, whatever you want to do. >> But that's just like not fulfilling. Like >> what's fulfilling? >> Like working. I want to help people. I

Brian Atlasthink that's >> why is work I don't understand why this idea of work as fulfillment. >> Why is fulfilling to men? >> Why is work? Sure. Sure. I Yeah. Yeah.

Brian AtlasSo, well, first off, if even I if if we're going to view it from the frame and lens of it is more so within the male traditional or male gender

Brian Atlasexpectation, traditional gender roles that men men are primary breadwinners or men are supposed to get fulfillment from work. Even I take the trade, even I take the

Brian Atlasfemale billionaire over my really fulfilling The reality is, the reality is now some of you may go on to have fulfilling

Brian Atlascareers. I think careers can be fulfilling. However, I would wager for the vast majority of people, 97, 95% of people,

Brian Atlasyou're going to be slogging away, slaving away for some mega corp, some corporation doesn't cold corporation doesn't give a [ __ ] about you. uh your

Brian Atlasboss is going to say be here at this time. These are going to be your hours. Some of you may go on to be self-employed, whatever. Then you're uh you're a slave to somebody else, which

Brian Atlaswould be your consumer or your client or whatever it is. This idea that ultimate fulfillment comes from career seems a bit misguided. I don't think even really successful

Brian Atlaspeople who have had fulfilling careers, uh they sit on their deathbed and they think, "Wow, I closed that [ __ ] sale. I I did you know I I did XYZ.

Brian AtlasI think ultimate fulfillment from life will come from uh family primarily will come from friends will come from those sorts of uh >> 1000%. One, again, not to say that you

Brian Atlascan't enjoy and get fulfillment from a career, but in terms of ultimate fulfillment and and to finish my point off, I think most people don't even have

Brian Atlascareers. I think most people have jobs. >> Mhm. And like unless you're some rock star or you know you're doing some really I can maybe see like if you're a doctor or

Brian Atlaslike in healthcare or something there can be some degree of fulfillment where you're like there are some jobs where there's like a component of actually helping people. But if you're just like I don't know an HR manager for like

Brian AtlasNvidia >> or like you're you're some like project manager for um what's like kind of like a like Microsoft.

Brian Atlas>> Mhm. >> Re your really Oh my god. I didn't hire that one person. deathbed

Brian Atlasreminiscing like you're on your deathbed reminiscing about wow I sat in a cubicle. >> Mhm. >> I sat in an office for [ __ ] like 30 years of my life. >> Like look, some of y'all might have cool

Brian Atlasjobs. I guess >> that's exactly >> Most people aren't. Most people aren't question >> y'all going to be hustling and grinding. Work is stressful. Wake up at [ __ ] 7 a.m. Get off at 5 6:00 p.m.

SofhDo it again. repeated every single day. [ __ ] I don't have enough free time. >> Is that not the circumstance you gave us with the Walmart question, though? Like, yeah, you're earning mega bread, but at the end of the day, it's the same exact thing. You're greeting people out of Walmart 40 hours a week. Is that not the same feel? Unless you truly enjoy

Sofhgreeting people out of Walmart. Is that not the same exact thing that you were just talking about with your office job that you're slaving away, aren't we just slaving away at Walmart, too? Well, that is to assess the that is to assess if

Brian Atlasuh so what I'm trying to achieve there is the billion if you're married to a billionaire the sort of passive wealth that that passes on to you and opens up

Brian Atlasto you far exceeds if you just earned a million dollars per year. But some people get bogged down in well I want to earn it and I want to work blah blah

Brian Atlasblah. So, I just ask, okay, but I guess the reason I bring that up is, well, if you're married to a billionaire, you're going to have probably have a maid. You're going to have a private chef.

Brian AtlasYou'll never have to work. Your h your husband who's a billionaire is never going to be like, "Okay, show up. You got to wake up at 7:00 a.m. and you got you can't you got to stay here and you

Brian Atlascan't leave until like that's essentially what a job is. show up 8:00 a.m., 9:00 a.m., 10:00 a.m., stay there, do your job. Sometimes you can have a chill boss or whatever. >> Or sometimes you have a boss like me

Brian Atlaswho's a little snarky sometimes, a little little snappy, a little snarky, and uh and then, you know, show up here, do this, do that. Your husband's never

Brian Atlasgoing to do that. So, that's my confusion. You can open yourself up to obscene levels of wealth through marrying a billionaire and never having to work. But some people pick, oh yeah,

Brian AtlasI'll just do menial like for 40 years just greet people >> at a Walmart which is like low skill job. I mean that's my confusion. That's the reason for the comparison. >> I see. I understand. Misunderstanding. >> Yeah.

Mahi (DT263)>> Honestly, if I would was going to do a nineto-ive job, I would have picked the billionaire. But I'm not picking a career that's 9 to5. So that's why >> I mean you'll be working a lot, right? >> I'll be working a lot. But after I get my PhD, then I can pick what I want to

Mahi (DT263)do. I can become a professor. I can do my own practice. I can I also kind of want to write like try writing a few books. So that's why I think it's fulfilling. I think I'm helping people. But if I know like if I wasn't doing psychology, if I probably would have

Mahi (DT263)gone into like marketing or something, I probably would have >> yeah married the billionaire because then I didn't want to do a nineto-ive job. And that's something also why I picked psychology because I don't want a nineto-ive job.

Hannah (NYU)Yeah. I don't know your car rental like really >> people did used to work in agricultural societies where they would all work together as a family on the farm. So I

Hannah (NYU)think working is a fundamental part of life that we're kind of ignoring here. But you're not throwing out all your work to marry some billionaire for money. Like there are other parts of

Brian Atlaslife that work together that I think the questions ignore. Well, so you're saying so if I were to go back in time when we were like an agrarian or agricultural society or even like industrial, I don't

Brian Atlaseven know. And we went back. So, okay, some family's living on a farm and the the all the kids [ __ ] wake up at 5:00 a.m. The wife wakes up. They're everybody's working. The the boys, the

Brian Atlasgirls, the wife, they're all working, milking cows or some [ __ ] whatever. Uh I don't know, tending to the crops. You think if they were given the opportunity, hey, you guys can live on your farm, still live on your farm, but

Hannah (NYU)like all the [ __ ] will just be automated for you. You don't you you don't think that they take the trade? >> I think living like that makes you sluggish and kind of messes up your brain. I think there's good things about

Brian Atlaswork that, you know, you can find fulfillment in that, too. So you so you think if I went down to like went back to like >> what is it thief doss or like surf surfs

Brian Atlasin the like in the middle ages or some [ __ ] they're just like in the some like super rainy place in Europe and there's just like muddy ditches like in England and it's just [ __ ] cloudy and miserable all the time and they're just

Brian Atlasshoveling their entire life is just shoveling [ __ ] dirt and mud. You think they wouldn't like they wouldn't take not even for a million dollars. They're just like, "Hey, somebody can come do this job for you and all your

Brian Atlasbenefits. You keep your benefits, but you just get to kick it." You don't think they take the trade? They're like, "Nah, I'm I want to shovel this shit." >> Well, why do older people get jobs even if they don't need the money? I think there's fulfillment. >> That's a fair point. That's that's a

Brian Atlascompelling argument. Uh I would say that has that has to do with a lack of imagination. So these people when they're older, they get bored. Uh I think that that's just there's things to

Brian Atlasdo absent work. I think that that's a lack of imagination. Uh if you're I mean you might say well traveling eventually gets boring. Um >> what do we define as work though?

Sofh>> Are we defining work as something that gives us a salary, something that can is earned or is work, let's say building a homestead, volunteering, it's still labor, >> you know, you're still sweating, you're still grunting, you're still slugging

Sofharound logs, but you're working towards something. I think >> work is fulfillment. you're kind of missing a a huge port because it's such a western mindset that work is fulfillment. It is fulfillment if you're working towards something that brings you passion. So her conversation about

Sofhpsychology, absolutely. Do I want to be a stage hand slugging around amps for the rest of my life? Is it what I want to build my whole career on? Is that my identity? No. But you know what? I slug around gear for four hours a day and I get to see a beautiful show. And that is

Sofhlike in that moment it brings me peace. It brings me joy. I think >> I don't know, man. Is this like a dating podcast or a money podcast? Let's talk about >> I already I already answered your question. >> You know, >> this is completely it's it's literally

Brian Atlasbaked into the question is would you date because she turned down billionaires and then it segus into like because I think and this is actually you say it's not about dating but I'm

Brian Atlasactually prepared to completely refute and destroy your point here is it's actually this is probably one of the most pressing issues as it relates to dating as it relates to marriage and as

Brian Atlasit relates to I mean the propagation. I mean you can't really extract having children from rel well I mean people can be child-free or whatever but uh for the

Brian Atlasfurtherance of humanity people need to have children obviously super important uh if we have put propaganda out there which

Brian Atlasif we've put propaganda out there to propagandize women to put career first and say family comes secondary, which

Brian Atlaswhich has been the case, which has been massive amounts of unfortunately extremely successful feminist propaganda, then that's going to have an impact on how late people get married.

Brian Atlas>> It's going to have an impact on fertility. If you start having kids, >> look, to be clear, you can have kids into your late 30s, even 40s, it becomes harder. Some people face fertility

Brian Atlasissues. were below replacement at least of the I mean it depends which which country you're looking at. If you look at the so-called

Brian Atlasuh native populations of a lot of European countries, feminist propaganda below replacement level going to be massive population collapse, massive

Brian Atlasdemographic changes in not just the United States, well sorry I should say not just in Europe but also in the United States, Western countries. We see this happening in Korea, Japan, etc.

Brian AtlasIt's going to be massive, massive societal issues. Um, the reason it's related to finances is, uh, women have been propagandized. I'm

Brian Atlasnot saying I'm not saying, oh, just become a trad wife and get married and have kids at 18. That's not necessarily black and white. It's not necessarily what I'm saying, but there's been a

Brian Atlasmassive push to to be like, okay, boss babe, boss babe, boss babe, career, career, career. That's ultimate fulfillment. And uh

Brian Atlashusband, marriage, secondary, and then it has a negative impact on the children too because if you want to be a boss, babe, career woman, >> you also need to be a mother.

Brian Atlas>> Well, that's where it becomes complicated. So, I personally think, look, I to be clear, I'll preface this by saying both parents can work and that doesn't mean your child's going to turn

Brian Atlasout terribly. That's not the case. Uh however, if we're talking about maximizing results, if we're talking about minmaxing, if we're talking about what's

Brian Atlasmost optimum, what's most optimal, I think the most optimal thing would be you have the parent taking care of the child.

Brian Atlas>> Not here's a okay, go to child care where some minimum wage worker isn't going to change their diapers as frequently as they should, isn't going to feed them as frequently as they should. Uh, I think the ultimate thing

Brian Atlaswould be honestly, look, if you're rich enough as a woman and your husband's cool with it, even better for the husband to be staying at home than pawning your child off to some [ __ ] daycare or

Brian Atlas>> agreed >> nanny or whatever it is. >> Yeah. Uh but the re e economic reality due to a bunch of reasons in order to actually for most people the financial

Brian Atlasand economic reality two people will have to work in order to have a family. There's a bunch of reasons for that that we don't have to get into but I do think it is the best for the child

Brian Atlasif we do approach it from a more traditional dynamic is husband breadwinner wife stay home and take care of the kids.

Brian AtlasThat's the best thing for the children. And I believe once you do have children, your selfish, ego-driven

Brian Atlasdesires for fulfillment from career, I I believe, and this applies to men too, right? Your selfish desires as a man ought to take a backseat to the interests of your children. You had

Karinasomething. Go ahead. >> Yeah. So, as a woman that works in a maledominated industry, I've been a repo agent for 5 years. So, I work 10 to 12 hour shifts. I used to do night shift

Karinaand then I switched over to dayshift. When you're young, it looks and appears like this is how you're going to find fulfillment is by having a steady career and be able to take care of yourself,

Karinaright? It's something that like it gives you that independence to where, oh, any man can come into your life and they can leave and you'll be all right, right? But that is not how we were designed. We

Karinawere not created to have that kind of discord. The the woman was actually created as the helper to the man. Okay? They are created to be an emotional support to the man while the man

Karinaprovides because they are actually built for that 40, 50, 60 hour work week. And so now that I'm older and marriage and I I have found a new perspective on everything, um there's no way I'd be

Karinaable to take care of a family. I can barely take care of myself because I get home so tired that cooking even just a steak is like a whole chore. So I end up with ramen or something super fast and

Karinago to sleep just so I can do it all over again. There is no fulfillment. It's like being in a hamster wheel. And I would absolutely if somebody wanted to go out on a date with me that was a

Karinabillionaire that had the same values as me and was um supportive in me being able to minister to people even um

Karinafinancially supporting my vision um with God, then yeah, I would absolutely take that over working 40, 50, 60 hours um by myself. I understand where you're coming

Brian Atlasfrom, but I think that also kind of there's a difference between job and career like we talked about before. >> Well, even if you have a job or a well, sorry, even if you have a career, I

Brian Atlasdon't think this actually challenges anything that I said as it relates to what's best for the children. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I'd also like to, you know, I went on

Mahi (DT263)for a bit there in response to what I said. Does anybody have any objections? I >> feel like I don't agree because I grew up with like two working parents and my mom like she loves her job and she's a food scientist and obviously like she's

Mahi (DT263)a food scientist. >> Food scientist. >> Yeah. And she obviously like I mean I could say in elementary school I was kind of sometimes felt like sad because I had to take the bus and some parents would drop their kids to school. But

Mahi (DT263)then as I grew older I realized like my mom's her own individual. Like she is still a very good mother. We had dinner as a family every night. We on the weekends they would spend as much time as they could. And I feel like they had a very both my parents worked but they

Mahi (DT263)still treated us like really good. And and even in high school though my mom actually would have to drive an hour to work and drive an hour back and would do like full days. And my dad was actually like cooking us dinner and he was doing

Mahi (DT263)a lot for us. But I didn't ever feel like neglected by my mom like growing up. I still think she's like the best mother she could have been. So I feel like it depends like maybe if some if but if you are a parent and you're not giving enough attention to your children. Yeah. then I could see you'd

Mahi (DT263)feel neglected and that's not the best parenting. But coming from a person whose both parents worked and they both worked a lot of hours, I still never felt neglected and I think I grew up to be like pretty. >> Yeah. Yeah. And just to be clear, to

Brian Atlasreiterate here, the the suggesting the suggestion is not uh that, you know, oh, everybody who's grown up in like a two parent household where, you know, the

Brian Atlasman worked and the woman stayed home and took care of the kids that all the children under that dynamic always turn out like perfectly. And then in the other dynamic where both parents go out

Brian Atlasand work, the children always turn out awfully. That's absolutely not the case. Uh but I'm I'm just looking in terms of what is optimal, what is best. And again, my position would just be uh

Brian Atlaswhile it while it works, it can work. Things can be totally fine. I again I do think and it sounds like it was perfectly fine for you. There's no

Brian Atlasdisputes there. I do think it is the best to have at least one parent there who's taking care of the kid. >> Yeah. Like that's that's the most

Brian Atlasoptimal. That's the most optimal. And especially I don't want to send my kid to uh to daycare to child care. Yeah. >> Don't want to do it. >> So >> any objections from anybody else on the

SPEAKER_00panel? Wait, actually, sorry. Before you do, keep that. Save it. Save it. >> I need to let some chats come through. Sorry for the delay, guys. >> Teddy 29 donated $200. >> I should have gotten it in sooner. Sorry, man.

SPEAKER_00>> Time donating. Brian, I love yours and Andrew's work. I saw your post of that evil woman wanting to hurt your innocent cat. >> Oh yeah, that's >> something happens to your cat. Me and

Brian Atlasthe boys are ready for war. >> Yeah, there's some there's some wicked evil people out there, man. Say some weird [ __ ] >> Uh but thank you, Teddy Westside. Sorry for the delay on that. Thank you for

Brian Atlasappreciate your first time uh sending a a dono here. Thank you, man. >> Doc Venibilis has missed donated $200. Yo, thank you. >> These young ladies have been sold a bill of goods. >> You mean a false?

SPEAKER_00>> Any of you value motherhood over boss bimbo? You will reach age 50. Childless, shriveled, and zolaf dependent. >> Anybody want to respond to uh Doc Vanabas? >> May I?

Sofh>> Yeah, >> I do want to be a mama. I do want to be mama self. I absolutely. So there will But I also do want to work. Maybe it's not as much as in the future my husband works. But also keep in mind our age

Sofhgroups here. We just left. I'm talking 17, 18, 19. I left home a little earlier than usual. I left home at 17 and I've been living alone since then. We just barely stepped into

Sofhadulthood. I get it. Biologically, we were fertile. We can pop out kids now, but that's really not the move. And we've seen it several times before. It's good to wait until you're in your 20s. Our brains are developing. So, you know what? I'm seeing this. If you don't mind

Sofhme asking, how old are you? >> 33. >> 33. How old are you, sir? >> 36. >> 36. You guys are coming from a perspective >> of a decade over us. >> Yeah. >> So, it's not like we're inherently

Sofhwrong. You're inherently right. Or vice versa. We have to take into account we're still developing. I'm still you. And this is to prove your point. I do want to be a mama. And I do have those random spurts of damn, I kind of want a

Sofhkid right now. I kind of want baby fever, bro. I want to be sitting there making pies for my kid. But at the end of the day, I also still want to fulfill something for myself. So why can there not be both? Why can I not build something along with my partner

Sofh>> and when the time comes, you know, if the split is, okay, we're going from 50/50 work, building something for our family, and then once we build that family, maybe my work is a little bit

Sofhless and his is a little bit more. It's it's not so black and white. It's not about some boss bimbo [ __ ] It's about just general autonomy. It is all in our divine nature. It is as as you were saying, I'm not inherently Christian,

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