RAGE QUIT CRASH OUT?! She REJECTED 3 Billionaires?! Hater DEBATES Brian?! | Dating Talk #265

Date: 2025-10-20

Duration: 8h 04m

Guests

Brian Atlas

BBri (Matchmaker)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Hannah (NYU)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Sofh(guest)

SPEAKER_05Bella (SBCC)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Shay(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_11Bri (Matchmaker)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Mahi (DT263)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Karina(guest)

SPEAKER_14Kennedy(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

Key MomentKarina's near-death cocaine OD experience: saw hell, heard God

Key MomentBri: turned down 2+ billionaires romantically

ControversySofh rage quits crying after conflict with Brian

Key MomentSofh reveals she fled a conservatorship situation and thought she was getting paid

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests: Sofh (tower climber), Bri (matchmaker who rejected billionaires), Karina (repo agent/born-again).

Karina Near-Death Experience

OD'd on cocaine, experienced hell (demons, torture), heard God's voice, became Christian.

Bri Rejected Billionaires

Turned down 2+ billionaires; money/status does not equal happiness.

Career vs Perfect Man

Would you marry a billionaire or pursue career? Extended debate.

Sofh Rage Quit

Sofh cries and leaves after conflict with Brian over show format criticism.

Transcript

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Sofhbut I do believe in that value that while there, look, I'm androgynous. I'm super androgynous. But >> what does that have to do with anything? But okay, go ahead. >> Because I'm saying I have a masculine essence, so I have a lot of masculine aspirations, but at the end of the day,

Sofh>> it's it's natural. It's it's in our DNA to want to nurture. I'm sorry I tucked. Go ahead. >> But you got to give us at least a little bit of the slack of >> we're still developing in ourselves. That's >> just

Brian Atlaslet me do a quick response and I'll let you go. Then I'll let you go. So, you know, I understand that I'm a bit older than some of you. However, I also was also once 18, 19, 20.

Brian Atlas>> And if somebody asked me when I was 18, 19, 20, slogging away through college, >> and they were like, "Hey, Brian, um, you know, you have your little, you know, your ambitions with, you know, you want

Brian Atlasto be do career, you want to get an education." Mind you, at least Mike's, I know people have varying experiences in college. I found college to frankly be a

Brian Atlasmassive waste of time. Uh I always thought, well, at least after I dropped out, never to let college get in the way of your education. In any case, um I'm

Brian Atlassure the college girls are going to love that one. Um if somebody proposed to me, Brian, at if at 18, some billionaire woman came along

Brian Atlasand was like, "Hey, I'll marry you. You don't have to work. We're good in there's no question. I don't, you know, back when I was 18, who knows what

Brian AtlasI could have, you know, who knows? I would have taken it. And you might say, well, Brian, retrospectively, trust me, at 18, I would have taken that [ __ ]

Brian AtlasEven Even though the male biological imperative is to provide, >> still take it. Still take the trade, >> of course. >> So, that's just what's I don't know. It's kind of interesting. It's kind of interesting. >> Oh,

Brian Atlas>> yeah. >> Oh, well, hold on. I want to go in order here, but really quick. Wait, did I did the one from pasty George come in? >> A message from the government of Canada. >> Pasty,

SPEAKER_00>> I'll let you guys go after this. Sorry for the delay, Pasty. I'm sorry. >> Since ancient times, men have worked for the sake of their families. Their actual fulfillment is knowing they have a

Brian Atlaslegacy, which is their kids. Women have lost that because of feminism. >> Good point, Pasty George. Thank you, man. Good to see you in the chat. Sorry for the delay, man. My bad. I was in I was in the midst. Um, so I think you go,

Shayyou go, you go. >> So, going back to what we were talking about before, the world is also changing. We You can work from home now. >> There's things. It depends. It depends where we're talking. Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Go ahead.

Shay>> But you can work from home. Both parents can have a job, work from home, and still take care of their ch children. And they can still be attentive, too. Like, you can have different schedules.

ShayLike for example, my mom works at 4:00 a.m. to like 12 and then my dad is always working. Um, but it that's always

Shayworked for us because >> she's still there to take care of us. There's always been like the point is you can have two parents working and it can still be

Hannah (NYU)beneficial for the kids and you have an extra income as well. >> Okay. What did you have? I would just say that I would honestly give up my

Hannah (NYU)businesses to raise kids, you know, if it worked for our family. I like my want and need to build something for myself

Hannah (NYU)has almost zero impact on situational choices, but I think after your kids age out, when it's 25 years down the line, I'll still want to keep working and do

Hannah (NYU)something productive. And I want to ask everybody here if you would do that as well. >> Yes. Yes. >> To an extent. Yes. >> Do do what? >> Yeah. Sorry. What was the question? If

Hannah (NYU)you would give up just for a time your careers to raise kids and then go back to it if you were given the choice. >> I think that's

Sofh>> if the answer is yes, how long >> are we talking career pursuits long-term like you know her studying for her PhD or are we talking career as in your day-to-day job like

Brian Atlas>> wait hold on let's let me make this simpler. Uh, who here wants kids? Show of hands. You don't want kids. No kids. Maybe it'll change. Who knows? >> I already have. I already have one. >> Uh, yeah. Yeah. You want more kids? Maybe. Kids? No kids. Don't want >> No kids.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> Maybe it'll change. Who knows? >> As of right now. No. >> Well, no. No. So, just to be clear, I don't mean I don't mean like uh kids right now. I >> You know, I I totally understand that. >> But maybe >> down the line.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Down as of right now. Down the line. in your late mid late 20s, early 30s, even then. >> No, >> 100% certain. >> I mean, maybe maybe it would change, but >> yeah, >> but don't don't even see it down the line.

Mahi (DT263)>> No. >> Why? Just curious why. I'm just curious why. >> Um, that's just like not the life I see for myself. I like kids and everything, but I kind of just want to work and I would want to get married, but I'm happy with just those two.

Brian Atlas>> What's the point of getting married anyways? Um, >> I mean, I want a partner though. I want a partner for life. >> Just have a boyfriend for life. I guess >> Well, I don't I kind of like that. >> You've been dating a boyfriend for 2 years. He's also on board, I'm assuming, with the no kids.

Mahi (DT263)>> Yeah. >> I mean, he I he talked I mean I don't know. He like he isn't pressured me or anything. I mean, he maybe wants kids, but after being with me, I think he's also realizing he maybe doesn't want it. So,

Mahi (DT263)>> like, have you guys had the convo or >> I mean, we had a convo. Like, nothing serious. It's just I said like if I were to marry someone, they have to be they have to respect that I probably won't have kids and I don't want to feel pressured about it. So, >> and he said

Mahi (DT263)>> and he was fine with it. I mean, I don't think he I mean, we don't really know yet. I No, I don't really want kids. He doesn't think he wants kids either. So, >> sure. Uh why don't you guys want kids? Just >> I just don't see it. >> Don't want to push out a football out of

Brian Atlasa >> not bigger than a football. I guess yeah, it's pretty babies are big, you know, kind. What about you? I just don't see myself being

Kennedysomething that a child like not needs growing up, but I don't as of right now I'm not kind of that nurturing, loving person. I do believe that a child

Kennedydeserves to be 100% cared for and nurtured to the fullest. And I think as of right now, I'm not someone that would be very like empathetic if

SPEAKER_00something I don't really know how to explain it, but >> if it was your child that came out of your body from the government, you would feel that >> George donated $2004.

SPEAKER_00If women are still developing mentally until the age of 25, then why do they have the right to vote at 18? Shouldn't they be incompetent and thus denied voting until age 25? Humans, pasty

SofhGeorge, humans are still developing mentally until the age of 25. >> Men actually take longer to develop mentally. Exactly. That that doesn't mean anything. >> Well, so then should we uh including

Sofhboth men and women, should we raise the voting age to 25 for both? >> That leans into a whole different >> I'm okay with that. I'd be okay with that. >> Yeah. With that in mind, can we still buy a gun at 21, but can't vote until

Brian Atlas25? Or are we changing all these to 25? >> You got Hold on. Please don't make me have to remind you once more. I've How many times has it been? Five, ten. You got to speak closer to the mic. Okay. I'm sorry, sir. >> Just do it's just make the fix.

Sofh>> I'm sorry. >> Finish your finish your thought. >> Well, this is leading to a whole other conversation, but if we're going to be changing voting age to 25, why don't we change all the other things that come with adulthood to 25, including

Sofh>> Read this from Rachel Wilson. Read that from Rachel Wilson. >> Stop the cope. You don't want the responsibility and don't want to have to think of anything but yourself. Shame. H >> appreciate that. But uh I do want the

Brian Atlasresponse. >> Should >> I respect I respect your opinion though. >> Uh somebody else h had something I think you wanted to jump in. I'm going to step away for just a moment. Go ahead though.

Bri (Matchmaker)Um, yeah. I just wanted to say actually when I was um 18, um, right before I actually met the the

Bri (Matchmaker)father of my son, I met someone who was much older than me at the time, uh, too, but who wanted who actually gave me the

Bri (Matchmaker)offer to settle down. Um, and I didn't take it because I just wasn't attracted to him and he was much older and all of these things. and he told me like, "I'll put you through school and I'll do all

Bri (Matchmaker)these, you know, these things." And and then I, you know, kind of refused it and went on to meet my now ex. And I can

Bri (Matchmaker)just tell you that um being older and a little bit wiser that if not that if I could go back in time because I would

Bri (Matchmaker)never not want to have my son, but I I will say that that choice of me refusing that like an easier life as opposed to

Bri (Matchmaker)like the struggles that I endured for decades and the trauma that I endured for decades after. Um It changes you, you know, it really

Bri (Matchmaker)changes you. So, I would just I know you guys are all very very young and you don't have, you know, you don't have as much life experience, but um it really does change you as a person. And um

Sofhyeah, that's all. And >> I think had I gone through or had any of us had that retrospective stance that you have and it seems like you have a little bit as well, we probably would agree with that. However, I was simply as much as

Karina>> So, when I was like younger, like you got your age, 18, 19, 20s, whatever, I never wanted kids either. And I was all about like the feminist movement and moving towards, you know, just a career,

Karinafiguring my life out, like no guy is going to come in the middle of that, like no kids, never wanted kids ever. Um, but there comes a point when you get to a certain age where like you realize

Karinait was kind of backwards the way that you were thinking and the reality of like all those years wasted kind of hits you. And I'm not saying it in a way that

KarinaI'm going to I'm trying to say that I don't agree with your perspective because I've been there. I've I've been there. I've thought those same things. And I'm not arguing that I'm better than or or worse than anybody. I am just

Karinasaying out of my experience that I hope it resonates with you now and maybe one day you'll look back and be like, "Oh, you know, I was just like trying to give you loving advice um for the future."

Bri (Matchmaker)>> Yeah. Same for me as well. Like cuz cuz when you're young, you know, um you don't you don't see the foreseeable future. You're thinking about, you know, your present moment and how you want to, you know, thrive. And as you should, I

Bri (Matchmaker)mean, I don't want to take that away from any of you. You should focus on yourselves and your life and your betterment and your personal growth and development. But honestly, like when you're in a car scrging for change

Bri (Matchmaker)because you can't afford McDonald's, you know what I mean? >> As opposed to like being having your school paid for and like it it's just a completely different lifestyle once

Sofhyou're living it. you know, you guys have a wisdom and I I can't speak for the rest of the ones who are, you know, 18, 19, you know, our age, but at least the way I see it is I don't know this. I haven't lived through this circumstance yet, but I can look in your eyes at it

Sofhand I can tell that there is truth in this. It's just not a truth that I or any of us have experienced yet. And maybe that's something we just naturally have to go through. I think I'm already getting baby fever, man. you know, if I were given that opportunity that he was

Sofhthe hypothetical that he was talking about of marrying a billionaire. It was it was a pretty weird hypothetical because it was all based on money. But let's say my karmic, you know, the love of my life, you know, same with y'all.

SofhThe love of your life, your absolute dream man, also happened to be grinding and give you that easy life when you're in the midst of the struggle that we haven't experienced yet. We probably take it, too. >> We're just not there yet. That is the

Sofhbeauty of feminism. It's not It's to have the choice. It's to have the choice of to be a stay-at-home mom or to be a hardworking ick and everything in between. That's truly what it is. It's to have the free will. If you want to be

Sofha child wife, hell yeah. I can see myself being a child wife when I'm like 80. Cooking pies for my grandkids. Milking milking the cows, you know, bringing some some cereal. My dad comes

Bri (Matchmaker)home for not my dad. My god, so hot. >> By the way, to your point, it's never too late to find love. I just want to let you guys know that because I feel

Bri (Matchmaker)No, it's No, honestly, it's truly not. No, I've I've met people personally. I've worked with people who are significantly older in their 60s, '7s, and they've gotten married and they

Bri (Matchmaker)found love. So, like I I wouldn't say that there if you want to have kids, there is obviously a very biological timeline, >> of course. Yes, there's, >> you know, but to find love and to find

Bri (Matchmaker)like a meaningful connection, you can find that at any point in time. >> So, >> I met a 80-year-old the other day who told me that he just got married. >> Yeah. So, >> possible. And also, there's always adoption and other options as well for

Bella (SBCC)having a kid. >> True. >> I'm 19 and I want kids. I find it really strange when I meet other women that are not maternal and don't have that instinct, but like to each their own. I do think some women should not be

Bella (SBCC)mothers. I agree. >> But it's weird and unnatural >> to not be maternal. Like, do you know what I mean? To not crave that is that's like

Bri (Matchmaker)>> literally in our DNA produce. >> It depends on how you're how you're raised, I think. >> Yeah. So, for me, I was raised. >> No, no, no. I'm saying um wanting a child or not wanting a child. It really

Bri (Matchmaker)it depends on how you're raised and like, you know, the nature versus nurture type thing. That's That's what I'm saying. >> I suppose I don't know. I just find it a little um sociopathic when I meet a

Sofhwoman that's not maternal at all. >> Maternal in nature, I think we all have. But she does bring up a good point. Extensive family abuse and trauma can warp your perception of what family

Sofhmeans. That that's what I mean. Our nurture is all >> I don't know about y'all, but I've been taking care of little animals since I was like four years old. I got a gator tattooed to my foot cuz I took care of a little gator. I called he was my he was

Sofhmy son, right? We all have that. But a lot of people go through traumas that turn them away for the same reason that a lot of people are opposed to love, opposed to marriage because there's there's a nurture and nature dynamic.

SofhThat's all I'm going to say. But I agree with you. I'm 19 and I also want kids. And this is coming from someone who, like you said, is pretty doodish, you know, in in demeanor. I got I got a fair amount of androgyny. But the end of the day, I'm girl. I want a soul flick

Kennedyscrambling around. I'll teach him how to climb towers. That's my train of thought. Yeah, for me I feel like I came from a house that wasn't very >> nurturing >> nurturing. So obviously there's a lot of

Kennedylove or there was a lot of love in my household and everything, but there wasn't like let's say I'm like I lost a tennis match or something like that. There's no like like there wasn't like okay I'll take you guys to go get pizza

Kennedyor I'll bake you cookies like when you're sad. It's more get up, thug it out, >> and life goes on. I was a little more >> similar. >> So, it's not that, you know, I don't

Kennedyfeel like um like obviously like I would love to have children, things like that, but where I'm at currently in like kind of my headsp space is I wouldn't want to give a child like a disservice cuz I

SPEAKER_00>> can't do that for someone else. >> But that's just my take. >> So, what I had said earlier, one sec, one sec, I'll let you come in. Westside 29 donated $200. Your mindsets of not wanting children

SPEAKER_00will eventually kill off the species. South Korea is a prime example of this. Quit drinking the feminist Kool-Aid. You will regret it later in life. Trust me.

Brian Atlas>> Uh yo, Teddy Teddy Westside. Wait, is this like a a how I met your mother? It >> is how Teddy Teddy Westside. Yo, thank you, man. Teddy Westside. Uh, appreciate

SPEAKER_00it. Send in another one. Confirm or deny if you're a How I Met Your Mother fan. You got Pasty here. >> Government of Canada. >> Pasty George donated $2004.

SPEAKER_00>> Many women infected with feminism should heed the warnings from women like Kate Mulvy, Norah Vincent, Candace Owens, Rachel Wilson, Batina A, and more. Their stories and advice are gold.

Brian Atlas>> Yo, Py George, thank you, man. By the way, Pasty George here, uh, he's a Canad intelligent Canadian man. Very intelligent. So, you know, you should always listen to a Canadian. I don't know what I just

Brian Atlas>> I'm Canadian. >> You're Canadian? >> Both. My parents were born there. >> Oh. Do you have citizenship or >> I could get it, but I don't actively have it. >> Uh, oh, I have a question, but I know you wanted to come in. What What did you have to say?

Karina>> Yeah. No. Um, I guess I kept getting interrupted every time I tried to say this. >> It's okay. Just go. Um, no. So, I understand feeling like you don't have the nurturing ability. I was raised by my father, right? My mom left to

KarinaArgentina and then I got involved with drugs really young and I just was always like trying to be like my dad. So, that's why I have more that of that

Karinamasculine side to me. Um, but when it comes from you, when the baby is in your body and it's being formed, I definitely

Karinathink that it would just naturally come to you. And I think we get in our own head space about how we're supposed to feel and if we are actually built for

Karinathis. But like you are, you are built for this. And until that time comes when like there's no way that you're going to see your own flesh and blood and not have love and affection and empathy for it. >> There is something spiritual about it.

Sofh>> Yeah, >> there is something absolutely spiritual about it. >> Right. >> With the point of of feminism, I'm a feminist, >> but I want to be a mother >> and I am if this is the situation

Sofhwilling to try that same home lifestyle if that is what's best for my family. But I don't want to give up not my but our creative pursuits for this. I know identical twin sisters

Sofhraised equally. One wants children, the other does not. Oh, I'm sorry. Sorry. But it's it I I've seen it firsthand. You know, I I watched my little sister

Sofhbe born and that was and like I said, I'm not inherently Christian, but I I am omni omni om omnistic. So I I believe in your faith. I believe in I believe in a

Sofhgod uh a creator and there is nothing more pure and holy than seeing a newborn child and that awoke something in me at a very young age and I want that just not yet. >> Yes. Sorry. >> All right. Uh

Bri (Matchmaker)>> can I say I want to say something controvers is that okay >> to to your point? >> Yeah. Um it's a little bit controversial because as a mom I can tell you um yes having a child does change your life and

Bri (Matchmaker)it does make you look at the bigger picture of course because how can you not you know you're literally alive to keep another

Bri (Matchmaker)human being alive. However, I will say not everybody is inherently born with a maternal instinct. I've seen it. I've experienced it. even myself because of

Bri (Matchmaker)the things that I I would say I am very nurturing but because of what I endured in that relationship >> it um it deeply affected me and

Bri (Matchmaker)traumatized me and it really actually affected my son and it affected me being a parent to my son because of the previous experiences so it's all like a

Bri (Matchmaker)learning curve and experience and to your point also I think it is wise for you to know your limitations and for you to know like where you're at

Bri (Matchmaker)to have that self-awareness because I myself didn't and I think now looking back it potentially caused my son a lot of un unnecessary harm. >> So yeah, I think both I think you're

Brian Atlasboth right. >> Yeah. So, uh, next question here. Uh, okay. Would you rather

Brian Atlasclean sewers for $100,000 or have a high-profile fulfilling job, but you make zero? You make no money. >> What do you mean by a high-profile

Brian Atlasfulfilling job? >> Uh, you're an attorney, you're a doctor, you're but you can't make any money from it. Can't make any money. So, >> okay. >> Clean sewers for $100,000 or whatever.

Brian AtlasYou You can pick the job. Whatever would be. You can't can't be like rockar or like it can't be something like where the status is like insane. >> Wait, are you getting any money from

Brian Atlasanywhere else? >> Yeah, good question. >> No. >> So, like you're not surviving then >> cuz you unless you marry a rich guy or uh you just have I don't know. Yeah. you're not making money.

Brian Atlas>> So, it's like a high-profile unpaid internship versus a dirty work job, but you're getting paid fat stacks. >> No, it's not an internship. You're not fetching coffee for a doctor's office. You're you're the doctor. You're the lawyer. Correct.

Shay>> So, it's volunteer work essentially. >> Sure. It's volunteer. It's an >> interesting one. I'm going to get back to you on that. I'm going to get back to you. >> You got to pick one. >> Here. >> Can I start? Can I start? >> Okay, we'll come back to real quick.

ShayWhich pick? Well, I mean, you need money to survive in this world. So, I would obviously pick the one paying you money. You can't live without the money. >> Okay. What do you pick? >> Yeah, I would have to do the sewer cuz how can I survive? >> Sewer.

Bri (Matchmaker)>> I think I'm sorry, my bad. I meant the opposite. I would do the nonpaying. >> Okay. Just live in poverty. But yeah. >> Yeah. I think the fulfilling job you

Brian Atlassaid if you have a husband, you know, >> I maybe does that kind of destroy the purpose of the hypothetical a little

Brian Atlasbit? Chat, should uh let me ask the chat. Um h should there be chat? Do we do we allow them to like have a rich I mean I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, we got to incorporate all the hypotheticals into this. >> What if you're helping you take donations? How about how about this? Um let's just fast forward. You you are

Brian Atlasmarried but uh your husband isn't earning enough like

Brian Atlasuh he earns enough where you guys are just getting by. You're just getting by but you guys are going to have like face certain financial issues blah blah blah. So you're not like destitute

Sofhbut yeah. How about that? So, we're if if it means taking care of not just myself, but the family that I build, I'll do whatever. I'll do whatever it takes.

SofhI'll clean up dog [ __ ] Sorry for my language, but I will do what I have to do to take care of the family that I will have down the line. >> What about you? >> Yeah. Second. >> Yeah. So, we're still then >> I stick with my choice.

Hannah (NYU)>> I think just getting by is just getting by. So, I' I'd stick with my choice. I'd take whatever gives the most money, which is sewers. I agree. Sewer.

Sofh>> I don't like this question. >> Yeah. I feel like this is like setting up for some sort of like checkmate that's kind of like already on a very intricate day. I don't >> No, it's definitely a setup.

Hannah (NYU)>> It's a setup. That's what it feels like. It feels like a setup. >> You're I think you're overthinking it to be honest. But >> I got to overthink it. We're on the whatever. I think the root the root of the question is money versus the fulfillment. >> Look, here's here's the point of the

Brian Atlasquestion is here's the point of the question. I guess you >> uh if you ask men and women this question, men are far more likely to pick the sewer job and women are far more likely to pick the unpaid but like

Brian Atlas>> uh you know kind of more more glamorous let's say career. >> That makes sense. >> Yeah, I mean that checks out >> because men are a bit more money motivated than women are >> providing motivation. I think let's

Sofhlet's shift that mentality. If we're talking about uh traditional providing, >> you know, let's let's let's get money out of this. >> Money is here to provide, right? >> So,

Brian Atlas>> that's easy for as a woman to say, but let me explain why this will never go away. >> Okay. >> So, this idea, so just to be clear, your contention is with me saying men are

Sofhmore motivated to get money. >> Okay. Yeah. Motivated. >> Is that was that do you do you disagree? Is that your contention? >> No, actually. >> You think women are just as motivated as men are? >> I think recently we've been getting more

Sofhand more motivated, but if we really zoom out on the time scale, >> no. >> Yeah. So, >> men have historically been more on the must provide for my family. >> Well, I would even argue modern day

Sofhtoday, >> yes, I well, men are more motivated >> to make money >> because of the the binary that we've established for, you know, several millennia already. It's kind of ingrained within us. Who established it? >> Men. >> Ourselves.

Brian Atlas>> Is it men? >> You think so? >> Yeah, that's how it started. >> Well, I'll I'll I'll frame it like this. Uh, so I think when it comes to survival needs, I would argue that men and women

Brian Atlashave comparable motivation as it relates to making money related to survival, right? That's most important thing. You need money to survive. Yes,

Brian Atlas>> you need food, you need water, you need a house, you need shelter, etc., etc. Both men and women need those two things. Both of them, whether you're a man or woman, you're paying the same

Brian Atlasrent. You're paying the same Well, men actually, maybe I'm being a bit pedantic here, men probably pay a little bit more for food because we have a higher calorie requirement. Anyways, that's kind of

Brian Atlasirrelevant. Um, very minor [ __ ] nitpick on my myself, I guess. Um however uh the I would say the second

Brian Atlasmost important uh biological imperative next to survival would be to have kids to reproduce

Brian Atlas>> this and the the the mechanism by which people reproduce is engage in monogous well doesn't I get I suppose it doesn't have to be monogous but you need to have a relationship you

Brian Atlasneed to date you need to be appealing to the opposite sex. Women's finances are nearly completely irrelevant to your

Brian Atlasattraction to the opposite sex. Men overwhelmingly don't care for certain, you know, >> to be charitable. There are certain

Brian Atlaseconomic and financial realities to like most people. Both people are going to need to work. That's the economic reality. But the woman's money or her success doesn't make her more attractive

Brian Atlasto men. >> Mhm. >> Whereas the same isn't really true in the opposite direction. Um, now I know most of you, a lot of you are young, you're in college, you probably don't give a [ __ ] about, oh my god, he's got a great job. You don't care. You're dating

Brian Atlascollege guys, they're broke. You probably don't care. You're just like, he's fun, he's cool, he's hot. That's probably all you care about. Maybe he's a good person. the dream, you know, not very few men at the college age already

Sofhare millionaires. If they are, fantastic. But it's at least the dream or the ambition of, hey, I'm broke right now, >> but I want to start a business and I want to care for you and your family. And I am 19 years old, so I don't have that yet, but I'm going to start that.

Brian AtlasThat's what my boyfriend is. >> I I would argue um perhaps ambition as a woman gets older becomes a bit more of a priority. I think most 18, 19, 20 year

Shayold women are gonna prioritize fun, good personality, hot >> I don't think most >> for no I I have dated people who have

Brian Atlashad no ambition and it is terrible. I need someone who >> I'm not suggesting that they have no ambition, but um >> I would say >> that's something I definitely look for

Shaythat and intellect and you need to be emotionally um um emotionally intelligent too. You need to be able to communicate. You need to have >> emotional intelligence plan for your future.

Kennedy>> We'll talk about emotional intelligence. >> I also think that also depends like slightly on the way that you were raised and brought up in my opinion. >> Yeah. But just to finish my point here

Brian Atlason this, um, so as a man, if you want to get romantic attention from the opposite

Brian Atlassex, not to say, look, you could be broke and [ __ ] pulling, but uh, for most men, uh, women place

Brian AtlasI would say women, it's actually women who uphold this. You were we were talking about who set that up. women even in 2025 women have had the vote for hundred years. Um this idea that like

Brian Atlasthere's some evil patriarchy that's like insisting that men pay for first aids and it's actually just women's own individualistic preferences that there's a tendency towards wanting men to pay

Brian Atlasfor first dates. You enjoy the benefit of not having to pay for the date. Women uphold this. There's no like evil male conspiracy to be like, "Hey men, we all want to waste money on dates." Not at

Brian Atlasall. It's actually women who uphold this. So for a guy to be able to and it really from pretty much anywhere across the board, for a guy to get laid, for a

Brian Atlasguy to get romantic interest back from a woman, for a guy to uh get into a relationship, for a guy to get eventually get married, um he has to

Brian Atlasuh there's a financial component to that. Like if I want to go on a date with a girl, maybe look, I'll I'll frame it like

Brian Atlasthis. Let's say 50% of this country is conservative. 99% of conservative women want men to pay for first dates. And then the other 50% of women are liberal.

Brian AtlasEven liberal women, progressive women, Camala voters, Democrats, even liberal women love the benefits of traditional gender dynamics

Brian Atlasso long as it benefits them. So even liberal women, yeah, guys should pay for the first aid. May I'm not saying all, but even if I were to be conservative

Brian Atlasand say, you know what, it's uh of the 50% of the women who are liberal, 20%. Uh well, so I guess here, let's just say 50% of liberal women want men to pay for

Brian Atlasfirst dates, right? You can you can bicker with me on that if you think it's less or you think it's more. That means 75% of women have an expect uh uh one directional gender expectation that men

Brian Atlaspay for first dates. >> Okay, you've just introduced finances mattering when it comes to dating, getting laid, getting a relationship.

Brian AtlasSo finances are absolutely inextricably linked from dating, even casual dating. So >> I see the paradox you're trying to bring

Sofhup. And I cannot speak for myself. The paradox of No, no, I understand what you mean. Like >> feminism of providing for yourself, but enjoying the benefits of traditional values that are seen in conservativism. I cannot speak on that. I can only speak

Sofhfrom my own experiences. >> Mhm. >> I have never, like I said, never had a formal date. Every time something has happened, I've paid for it just out of the love and care. Money does not matter to me. It is loyalty because that is harder and harder to find. Especially

Sofhknowing that in our generation, materialism, it goes both ways. On a broad generalization, like I said, there are exceptions and we have a lot of exceptions in this room, including myself, including her. There's materialism that goes both ways. You

Sofhknow, the reason I haven't had that many partners, I've had two or three. I don't I don't really show my body, and that is what men seek out. That is what men desire. I'm I'm a little stinky. Uh, I I do fairly quoteunquote boyish masculine

Sofhstuff, but when it comes down to it, I am loyal and I'm I'm feminine in my essence when I am loved and cared for. We >> How do I explain this? I did not develop

Sofhmasculinity or in other words, this cover to gain male attention. It was to avoid male advantage. >> You know what I mean? I I cover myself up to avoid objectification.

Brian AtlasThat that's a whole other train of thought. But the materialism itself goes both ways. There is I guess on a very broad sense. >> So just to be clear, you're like what what do you think about Muslim majority countries where the women cover

Brian Atlasup? >> I mean I'm in favor of I mean the United States is pretty liberal on this like they we don't have like requirements to wear hijab. We don't have requirements

Brian Atlasto wear that sort of Muslim garb. So you would you be are you but there's rampant objectification in the United States. So are you just curious are you more which

Brian Atlasway do you lean like well on one hand how how do you balance women's freedom to dress as they like in the United States women can dress however they want but that entails like some degree of

Sofhobjectification. >> There's objectification either way. I was dressed exactly like this when I was sexually abused when I was 12. And I don't mean to start like trauma dumping but it does not matter your clothes. I'm sorry, but I mean this to say Muslim women will still get raped. They'll

Sofhstill get sexually assaulted. They'll still get abused no matter what you're wearing. I'm covered head to toe and that abuse will still happen. So objective. >> The reason in these Muslim countries they they do this is to prevent well I mean there's there's actually quite a

Brian Atlasbunch of reasons but one of the uh even if it's an unintended consequence would be the limiting of sexual objectification of women. >> Yeah. So

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Well um I'm a little bit confused here though. You said that uh it's so so men you you dress the way you do so men don't objectify you. You said that

Brian Atlasthat's what men do. Men are men just objectify women if they're wearing like a tank top. I guess I don't know why that would be. >> I I don't mean that entirely, but the generalizations go both ways. I >> So do are women like perfect angels that

Sofhdon't objectify men? >> No, not at all. That's exactly what I'm trying to say on a broad sense. Now, like I said, there are exceptions on men's case and women's case. It it is human to have bias and to have very fast

Sofhassessments because it's it was about survival. Let's let's date back millions. Let's sorry, not millions. Let's date back several millennia to hunter gatherer situations.

SofhMen looked at the size of a woman's hips to determine if those hips could bear his children because back then it was about survival. Same thing with with a man's strength, with a man's ability to

Sofhcarry a deer on his back. This is this is some amydala. I don't know how to explain this. This is innate, you know. So, I don't think it's the bias that we should keep attacking on each other. Men objectify women. Women objectify men.

Brian AtlasThis and this and this. There's a middle ground to this. And and I believe that's what should be focused on and saying that >> where are you right now? >> I I don't know. >> You're not really addressing my any of my central points or arguments here. Um I

Brian Atlas>> I'm just trying to make a statement and try to find some sort of middle ground. So, all this >> Yeah, but the width of women's hips, birthing hips. I I'm I'm a little confused >> because I'm saying generalization and

Brian Atlasbias and judgement segue. >> It is innate. >> Okay. >> You were talking about materialism with finance. >> Well, yeah, I was I was going to make my motivation point, but I I'll get to that in a

SPEAKER_00moment here. >> Message from the government of Canada. >> Pasty George donated $2004. Many ambitious men are now older, divorced, and lost half, if not most, of

SPEAKER_00their hard-earned wealth to women who wanted men with ambition. Others gained families with traditional non-feministic women. >> Good point. >> Yeah, maybe just don't get married,

Brian Atlasgentlemen. Don't get married. >> I disagree. >> Uh yeah, I mean uh >> wholeheartedly. Well, I guess uh really quick I I want

Brian Atlasuh once she's back from the bathroom, I want to finish up my point about men's and women's different motivation because I didn't finish my point on that. But really quick to do a segue on marriage.

Brian AtlasUh tell me what I as a man what do I get in marriage that I can't get from a long like forever girlfriend? >> Sax benefits. >> Uh yeah, maybe

Brian Atlas>> sex for some people. >> Sex. Yes. Some people marriage. >> Oh, okay. Sure. If you're Christian. >> What about from a a secular perspective though? >> Are you Christian?

Hannah (NYU)>> I'm a Christian. Yeah. >> Do you wait until marriage? So, you're a virgin? >> Yes, I would like to. >> Are you a virgin? >> I I'm not. >> What denomination of Christianity are you? >> I'm non- denominational. >> Non-denom. >> I just I just

Brian Atlas>> How long have you been cate? >> Um Oh my gosh. Maybe three years since my >> three years. >> Wait, so hold on. You were uh you said you were initially you said you were

Brian Atlassingle for three years, but there was a guy who you dated for like >> Yeah, we didn't >> 3 months, 6 months, and then sex. >> So neither of those two guys you referenced? >> No, we didn't have sex. No. >> Okay. Um Okay. Well, that's a different

Brian Atlastopic, but uh >> So you are 100% waiting till until marriage then? >> I would like to. >> You would like to? Okay. >> Uh well, okay. Um, I suppose that's a compelling argument if you're a

Brian AtlasChristian man, but I think the greater argument if you're a Christian would be I mean that's it's beyond just sex while you get married uh as a Christian man.

Brian AtlasSo what about from a secular perspective though? What what can I get out of marriage that I can't if I just stay with a girl for the rest of my life but we never get married

Brian Atlas>> for you? I'm not secular so I don't know. I >> Oh, okay. Well, >> um, so I guess so then aside from what do get men get out of marriage besides fulfilling like a component of their

Bri (Matchmaker)religious faith and >> sex? I guess >> I think marriage represents the highest

Bri (Matchmaker)version of love. I think marriage in and of itself is sacred and there is sanctity in it and it's not just about

Bri (Matchmaker)religion and it's not just about children but it's about mission and it's about purpose and if you are married to

Bri (Matchmaker)the right person key word right person >> then it can be a very beautiful and fruitful thing not just for you yourself but for everybody that you're surrounded

Brian Atlasby or surrounded by you. >> It's It's greater than just two people >> in my opinion. >> But I mean, from a secular perspective,

Brian Atlasif I just I I can't actually think of a difference if I just stay with my girlfriend for the rest of my life and we have kids versus get like there's actually no difference. >> I think there's putting a higher amount

Brian Atlasof trust into that person. >> It's the ultimate form of commitment. >> It's sacred. It's spiritual bonding. I think there's a higher level of trust if you don't get married. >> How so?

Brian Atlas>> Oh, sure. Well, once So, I think when there becomes a basically if you get married and you're the bread winner and a woman could be the bread winner. So, this could

Brian Atlas>> this could uh be an issue if uh for women too and women do end up sometimes paying alimony and this sort of thing. >> Uh

Brian Atlas>> it does sort of put an extra incentive. So if you're vaguely unhappy in the marriage, if there's this idea of, well, if I leave,

Brian AtlasI'm going to reap certain financial benefits through alimony, community property. I almost feel like that that pushes can actually be the thing that pushes someone over the edge into

Brian Atlasgetting a divorce, into the breakup of the marriage. So, I I actually think that there can be a compelling argument in

Brian Atlasthe other direction that if you can't get anything financially out of breaking up with your boyfriend, you won't there you're less less reason to do it then.

Sofh>> See what you're trying to say? Like the binding can lead to being trapped and shackled in this. Whereas with a boyfriend, you can break up with them at any time. With a husband or a wife, there's is it's almost like you're locked in, you know? But

Brian Atlas>> well, I mean, people get divorced all the time, but um I think the thing the the thing is is that like let's say you're dating a guy and you're not married. It would seem like, you know,

Brian Atlasmaybe you're just vaguely unhappy. There's no abuse. He's not cheating. He takes care of the kids fine, but you're just vaguely, you know, whatever. I'm a

Brian Atlasbit unhappy. Vaguely unhappy, right? Oh, and if I divorce him,

Brian AtlasI get alimony for 10 years and I get 50%. That

Brian Atlaswhat could have been worked out in just a boyfriend girlfriend relationship. H maybe that money looks really really good and I can [ __ ] new people.

Bri (Matchmaker)>> I mean, okay. I think if you're only >> touch your pearls >> I think if you're only intending on being married for materialistic

Bri (Matchmaker)reasons like assets like homes like whatever the person has and you're one either with the wrong person or your intentions are not right to

Bri (Matchmaker)>> you're not in the in the position to be married. Does that make sense? >> Okay. >> Hold on. Okay. So everybody everybody here every all the women here are fine signing a prenup.

Brian Atlas>> No issue with it. >> My current situation said asked me to and I said yes. >> So >> okay that's I mean we have some really angelic women here at the table but if I actually draw my attention to what

Brian Atlasactually play like realistically plays out when it comes to uh divorce. Uh women don't seem particularly generous when it when the lawyer gets involved

Brian Atlasand the lawyer says, "By the way, you're owed." Not just, "Ah, your husband can be a nice guy." No, no, no. You're entitled to and you're owed alimony for this many years, 1,000 bucks

Brian Atlasa month, 2,000 bucks a month. You get and 50% of the house, 50% of the car, 50% of XYZ. Eh, lawyers are going to be very

Brian Atlasconvincing. lawyer. You know, maybe you're a really uh as a woman, you know, you're very uh angelic and you would never think about you never think about demanding or

Brian Atlaswanting your entitlements when it comes to divorce. But invariably, it seems to be the case that when women do get divorced, uh all of a sudden they start talking about what they're owed. So we

Brian Atlascan, you know, maybe you guys are all outliers here and you would never demand anything in a marriage, >> but it seems >> royalty and trust. >> It seems Go ahead. >> What if they're like a stay at home mom?

Mahi (DT263)Then I feel like the assets should be divided because >> perhaps >> Yeah. Then I think >> perhaps. But um

Bri (Matchmaker)>> I think situations such as those um are only acceptable like if you know you guys are high school sweethearts for instance, right?

Bri (Matchmaker)>> And then you go through life and you have your kids and everything is laah but then you know um you guys stop having things in common. you know, life

Bri (Matchmaker)starts lifing and your kids grow up and then you have like nothing in common and like one party chooses to seek out another person for instance, you know, I then think that that's an acceptable

Bri (Matchmaker)reason. If you're older, if you're not, you know what I mean, for for things like that. But if if any other circumstance, then I then I do think it's wrong. >> Then I do think it's wrong.

Brian Atlas>> What's wrong? Sorry. >> To go after um somebody for monetary reasons alone. Well, I mean, you might say it's wrong, but it seems like women are not shy about doing this in the

Brian Atlasevent of divorces. Women frequently attempt to uh get alimony, do community property. And look, maybe you're a good-hearted woman. You're like, you know what? I'll

Brian Atlasgo my way, you go your way. uh except when that when that lawyer who has a financial incentive >> because he'll get he'll get some sort of either he'll get paid more hourly or

Brian Atlashe'll get some you know I don't know if they do portions of it they they get some degree of the settlement or whatever. Uh they have a massive incentive. Lawyers are incredibly convincing. They're skilled in the art

Brian Atlasof rhetoric. Uh, and like a naive woman who's going through the divorce process, who's not familiar with the uh the family court system, she's going to probably defer to him on this or well, whether the lawyer is a man or woman,

Brian Atlasshe's going to defer to the lawyer and the lawyer's going to be like, "Hey, look, you know, I know you're not really, you know, but you you are entitled to XYZ and uh we're just trying to protect you and look out for your financial interests. Your husband's

Brian Atlastrying to screw you over here in the divorce. lawyers are going to be very convincing and lot of women who might otherwise have good intentions. You know what? Okay, go ahead. And the the other thing here is even if uh even if you're

Brian Atlasa Christian woman uh in the event of a divorce really your faith isn't what oversees the divorce proceeding. The state oversees the divorce proceedings

Brian Atlasand the state dictates that there's certain laws and uh you know uh >> you're sighing over there. Why? Why is that? Why are you signing?

Karina>> Um, if I get married, divorce isn't on the table. >> That's what I was going to say also. >> Okay. Well, >> same for me. >> I >> Same for me. That's why not, you know,

Karinathe amount of restoration that it has to go down in the spirit, like the spiritual realm. God has to restore everything that is broken in a divorce because a marital covenant is a sacred act under God. That's right. that

Bri (Matchmaker)represents the love Jesus has for his bride. >> I mean, >> just not going to happen. >> To me, divorce is not on the table unless there's like actual real harm

Brian Atlasbeing inflicted to either you, the other party, or children. I think that's the only acceptable. >> Sure. If there if there's abuse, absolutely. >> What if though under your guys's

Brian Atlasperspective, well, I'll actually just ask everybody. How about this scenario? You're married to a guy. you have kids. He's not abusive. He's not emotionally abusive, verbally abusive. He's not physically abusive. None of these. Uh he's loyal to

Brian Atlasyou. >> Yeah. >> He treats the kids fantastically, but you're just vaguely unhappy. He He's a nice guy. He treats you well, but you're vaguely unhappy. Two

Brian Atlasquestions. Have you ever been in a relationship or dating a guy where the guy was loyal to you? He wasn't abusive in any any sort of way, but you just were vaguely unhappy. Let's start there and then I'll ask the follow-up

Brian Atlasquestion. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yes. >> Yes. And I think that had to do with me. >> Well, I've never been in a relationship. >> Well, situ Whatever. Any any guy? >> Yes. >> Uh, no. >> What about you?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Vag. Can I ask did you break up with a guy? >> Well, it wasn't just because of that, but we did end up breaking up obviously. >> Okay.

Brian AtlasYes. >> No, I'm currently in it. >> So, no. >> Okay. >> But never? >> No. >> You've never There's There's a guy you

Brian Atlaswere dating, you know, he wasn't abusive, treated you well, loyal. >> No. >> So, every single guy who hasn't abused

Brian Atlasyou and been loyal, there's never just been like a loss of something, loss of connection. Of course, >> there's always been abuse from >> Of course. No, I think it's n I mean,

Bri (Matchmaker)listen, we're we're people and we're humans and we go through things and we have experiences that take from us and that give to us and there are always going to be points in our lives when,

Bri (Matchmaker)you know, we feel better than normal. I'm at a super low low right now. You know what I mean? In my personal life. However, I'm still maintaining whatever

Brian Atlasrelationship I have because to me, it's it's more worthwhile to save something than just to move on in my opinion. >> Okay. Well, I guess the question here is

Brian Atlasthen the follow-up question. Uh, if you're married, assuming all those things, he's loyal, treats the kids well, he's not abusive to you in any sort of way, but you're

Sofhjust you've fallen out of love with him. Is divorce warranted? >> Sorry you lost me. I'm still trying to stay awake. I'm so sorry. Say that question one more time. I'm trying to stay locked. I've been up for like 24

Shayhours. >> I've had three energy drinks, >> man. All right. Um, >> come back to me. >> Okay. Uh, go ahead. >> Um, I'd say like obviously it depends on situation to situation. >> You're married.

Brian Atlas>> I'm married. >> You're married and you have I know some of you said you don't want kids. So, whatever your circumstance is, but let's assume two kids, treats the kids well, he's loyal, treats you well, but you've fallen out of love with him.

Shay>> I think >> does it warrant a divorce? If you try to fix it and you can't fix it, then yeah. >> Yeah. >> Maybe I'm just like really young, but I feel like if I'm whoever I marry, I know

Brian Atlaslike I know they're going to be my partner for life and I feel like I would be with them for a long time before I get married to them. So like I don't know if I could ever >> But but you think in the history of romantic relationships, somebody has thought that exact thing

Brian Atlas>> and then a year, two years, 3 years, four years, 5 years later, things change, fall out of love. I mean, yeah, if I wasn't happy, then I would, but I don't know if I ever have married that person in the first place.

Brian Atlas>> The divorce rate, I think it's what, over 50% or something. >> I, you know, some people probably make mistakes when they get married, but I feel like most people when they get married, I don't think they're thinking like

Brian AtlasI think they're pretty certain like this is my person. 1 2 3 4 5 6 however many years goes by. Nope. So, like I don't think people get married like going in with the expectation of like by the way

Brian AtlasI'm getting I'm going to get a divorce. I don't think they go into it with that expectation. But what about you? >> Absolutely not. >> Divorce warranted? >> Absolutely not. Stay with them. What about you? >> I wouldn't get a divorce because I think

Hannah (NYU)that you can work on those things. I think you go in and out of happiness throughout a very long relationship. I think my happiness is based on my own mental state and that I'm responsible

Hannah (NYU)for me. he's responsible for him. And I think you can work at falling back into love. I think even if it takes 10 years, 15 years, I would keep working at that >> because we'd probably have a family and a life built together. And I think

Brian Atlasthings like loyalty and commitment are more important. >> That's exactly I think it warrants for divorce. >> Warrants for divorce. >> I agree. >> What do you think? >> No. >> Stay with them. Okay. Uh here I want to get back. There's one thing I wanted to finish off on. We had some chats coming

SPEAKER_00through. >> A message from the government of Canada. Sorry for the delay pace. There's another one too $2004. >> I hope many men see this show. Wise decide not to marry in such a pessimist.

Brian AtlasTotally. >> However, if they do, let's hope they at least do a prenup. Otherwise, they're [ __ ] >> Pasty, have you ever been married? >> Have you been married? How many to

Sofhpasty? Oh, such a >> You probably dropped like 2500 already just on this night, dude. >> Hey, this is nothing. This is like a This is like a couple bucks to him. He's uh >> Maybe he's a billionaire.

Brian Atlas>> He's He's got some money. He's got some He's got Buu bucks. >> Who knows? >> Buu, he's Canadian. Dropping a little French there. Buu bucks. Pasty, do you also speak a little bit of French? Just

SPEAKER_00>> a message from the government of Canada. >> Pasty George donated $2004. >> Thank you, man. >> Chair one, my mother was a residential school survivor and became a feminist

SPEAKER_00because of it. You claim that you suffered similar trauma and that is why you hide your femininity and embrace feminism. >> Where did residential school survivor

Sofhcome from, Mr. Pasty George? >> Uh, I had my affeminate for a long string of reasons and because, you know, don't want drama dump. I'll just keep it plain and forth.

SofhOh my lord. Crazy. Um, I was I was bullied out of my femininity. I was actually a very feminine kid. very, you know, I my birth name is Sophie, but I went by Sophia. I wore tiaras and everything. And I was bullied for it. I

Sofhwas called too weak, too sensitive. I had man up. Uh that I was a crybaby. I was too emotional. So I had it bullied out of me. So I lost touch with my femininity at a very young age. This is just to answer your question. This is on a whole different ramble. So I developed

Sofha masculine coat because it wasn't girls bullying me. It was dudes bullying me saying, "I'm too girly. I got to man up." And so I did man up, but I was still taking advantage of my femininity. So it doesn't it doesn't do anything at

Sofhthe end of the day. So part of my coming of age experience in the past, like 17, 18, 19, has been trying to embrace my feminine from the inside out >> from more of a

SPEAKER_00>> jin donated. Shout out to Grid One Motorsports in the studio. Can we get him on the panel? Shout out to the Discord gang. >> Yeah, we'll do

Brian AtlasJC for tomorrow. >> Yo, shout out JC. Thank you Jay. Uh yeah, we'll have Grid One do a little cameo later. A little later in the show, we we'll do a little cameo. He'll uh

Brian Atlascome say hi for for a sec. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Uh Darius Monk with a Canadian 200 chair Theory is example of Brian's point about the need to be raised by a stay-at-home mom. Her mother

Brian Atlasselfishly prioritized her career over raising her. Therefore, she imprinted imprinted the same. Monkey see, monkey do. Mother avoiding responsibility begets daughter avoiding responsibility.

Mahi (DT263)Don't shoot the messenger. Do you have a response to Darius? >> I mean, I don't know what like if there's anything wrong with me. I think I'm an independent woman. I'm in college and I did well in high school. Like, I

Brian Atlasdon't think it's anything wrong with what I've been doing in my life. >> Okay. All right. There it is. Darius, I don't know if you have a follow-up for her, but uh there it is. Okay, I need to get up momentarily. Felicity is going to

Brian AtlasFelicity is going Oh, wait. No, I need to finish my point about motivation and then we will get into some of the other questions here. Uh so I guess we kind of got a little sidetracked there. I was finishing the thing about motivation.

Brian AtlasJust really quick though. So my original claim was men are more motivated to make money. Some of you disagreed. Just curious going around the table. You disagree. >> I didn't disagree, but neither agreed. I

Sofhthink men are more motivated by the binary to provide. >> I don't know if that necessarily means material in the modern day that does mean money, >> but I think >> Mhm. >> I I agree and disagree, but that's a

Shaywhole other train of thought we can continue. Similar. And then also I think it really depends on how you're raised. Like I I'm way more motivated by money than my twin brother. So

Brian Atlas>> yeah, I understand that there are women who are super motivated and there are men who are lazy, >> right? >> I would say just as a sort of average or general principle. I would say that I

Brian Atlasthink men are more motivated generally speaking. Not to say there's there's men or there there's women at this table who are probably more motivated than plenty of men, but your thoughts?

Mahi (DT263)>> I would say yes. So, I feel like you have to give it a few more like decades to see cuz I feel like only the past few decades women have really been finally encouraged to be motivated and to seek out like more than they ever been used to. So, I feel like right now, yes. But

Bri (Matchmaker)if you give it a few more decades and time, you'll see >> different. >> Yes. I think men are primarily biologically wired to protect, provide,

Bri (Matchmaker)and lead. However, I will say that um nowadays in today's current society, I definitely see that things are changing. Um and I think they will continue to change. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> And adapt. >> I agree. I agree. >> Yeah, I agree that things are changing, but there still is that societ. >> There's too many agrees. So, you agree with her, you agree with her, you agree with me. Men are more motivated. What do

Hannah (NYU)you agree with? >> I agree men are wired to provide. Yeah. Okay. I agree with men are wired to provide. >> Yeah, I think they're wired to provide and that yes, there has been an uprise on women

Kennedy>> um becoming more motivated to do more entrepreneurial things and make money. But I do think that there's still that societal pressure that >> you know men kind of grow up learning like you

Kennedy>> need to be the provider, make money, things like that. Um along with like a biological >> in a biological way as well. >> Your thoughts? >> Yes, I agree with you.

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