She Says ALL Men Are UGLY?! GIGACHAD VlRGlN RETURNS! TayTay! College Feminists?! | Dating Talk #148

Date: 2024-04-01
Duration: 7h 32m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_01Mason Gregoire(guest)
SPEAKER_02Jory(guest)
SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_04Alexa(guest)
SPEAKER_05Sonia(guest)
SPEAKER_06Sophia(guest)
SPEAKER_07Taylor (TayTay)(guest)
SPEAKER_08Ahe(guest)
SPEAKER_09Kiki(guest)
SPEAKER_10Maya(guest)

Key Moments

00:02:28
IntroGuest introductions round. 8 guests introduce themselves in order. Panel includes returning guests Mason Gregoire (GIGACHAD VIRGIN) and Taylor (TayTay). New guests are all young women, many UCSB college students. Sophia reveals she has never been in an official relationship.

"all right we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location"

00:32:02
QuoteSophia reveals she has never been in an official relationship, describing herself as "single for 20 years." Has only had casual talking stages.

"I actually haven't dated before like in a like official relationship so I've been single for 20 years"

01:46:34
QuoteTTS donation triggers extended transgender identity debate: "if someone is born with male chromosomes Brian and a female reproductive system are they a man or a woman if they can choose why not everyone else."

"if someone is born with male chromosomes Brian and a female reproductive system are they a man or a woman"

01:50:01
QuoteJory (22yo UCSB) states she finds 0% of men physically attractive — "honestly none." Identifies as pansexual; finds women far more visually appealing than men. This is referenced in the episode title ("She Says ALL Men Are UGLY").

"attractive starting with you honestly none"

02:01:35
QuoteBrian gives honest answer on AIS/transgender question: "I don't know." Admits uncertainty on edge cases while maintaining binary sex position for the general population.

"I don't I don't know that's my answer I don't know"

03:08:26
OtherSelf-ratings round: Ahe self-rates 7-8.5 ("not in final form, like Frieza"). Kiki rates self 4. Brian rates self 5 ("solid five"). Viewer (okydoi) rates panel left to right by clothing: leather jacket 5, denim jacket 6, black shirt 4, christmas sweater tomboy 4.5, fluffy jacket 4, ginger hair 7, black crop top 4.

"ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10"

03:47:04
QuoteBrian declares himself a "Natural Body Supremacist" — strongly prefers women with no plastic surgery, no implants, no BBL, no lip filler, no labiaplasty. Would take flat chest over implants; small natural lips over filler.

"I'm a natural body supremacist"

03:51:34
QuoteMason Gregoire (GIGACHAD VIRGIN RETURNS) confirms he is a virgin waiting for marriage. Episode title reference. Brian serves as informal gatekeeper/approver for Mason's future partner.

"I'm a virgin um I'm not necessarily looking for a vir Brian's against this"

04:22:22
QuoteTaylor reveals she has a full Harley Quinn tattoo sleeve plus a face tattoo (not visible under makeup). Pushes back when Mason calls heavily tattooed women "trashy."

"I even have a face tattoo you just can't see it I'm like all tatted everywhere"

04:24:47
QuoteSonia reveals her best friend died by suicide and she found the body. Many of her tattoos were shared designs with this friend (sentimental memorial tattoos). Sonia also mentions this is her Sonia's rose tattoo.

"more than half of my tattoos my best friend also had and like I mentioned earlier in the show she unived her s and I found her body"

06:17:43
QuoteSonia states the hot take that women should not have the right to vote, arguing it pulls them away from their natural role as nurturers/caregivers, contributing to nuclear family breakdown.

"I don't think women should be able to vote hot take"

06:17:43
ControversySonia's women's voting hot take triggers extended panel debate on patriarchy, military conscription, and gender equality. Brian counters that women gained voting rights without corresponding military draft obligation. Mason points out all men must register for Selective Service at 18; women are exempt. Discussion of Ukraine men unable to leave country vs. women who fled. Brian concludes: military conscription inequality invalidates most feminist oppression arguments.

"I don't think women should be able to vote hot take wow with context of course"

07:28:00
OtherEnd of show wrap-up. Sonia doubles down on anti-women-voting position after full show of debate. Brian notes three no-shows at episode start; producer Nick recruited guests from Isla Vista. Twitch raid to WoW Grandma 78. Show ran until approximately 1 AM.

"all right guys we're going to wrap up there"

Topics Discussed

00:02:28
Guest introductions and relationship status

Panel of 8 guests introduce themselves. Notable: Mason Gregoire returning co-host (virgin, going into Air Force); Taylor "TayTay" returning (men's mental health advocate). New guests: Jory (22, UCSB psych), Ahe (21, valley, jr college), Sonia (23, Bay Area, engineering), Sophia (20, UCSB econ, never dated officially), Maya (21, UCSB public policy, married), Alexa (35, Venezuelan-American, married 8 years, farmer). Relationship status round covers: single histories, first relationships, celibacy periods. Sophia reveals she has never had an official relationship (single 20 years). Brian discusses Nala returning to Christ (real or fake discussion).

01:23:20
Dating app profile review

Brian and panel review two female guests' Hinge profiles on screen. Discussion of dating app culture, group swiping with roommates, profile quality, and whether apps attract serious or entertainment-seeking users. Sophia describes using Hinge as a group activity with roommates (AirPlaying profiles on TV). Panel debates whether this is disrespectful to men using apps in good faith. Sophia had 4 meetups from apps; none progressed. Ahe describes going to thrifting as a first date activity.

01:46:34
Transgender identity and gender debate

TTS donor asks: if someone has male chromosomes but female reproductive system, what gender are they? Extended discussion on gender vs. sex, intersex conditions, Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS), pronoun preferences, puberty blockers, and trans identity as mental illness vs. valid identity. Jory: any pronouns acceptable; gender is self-expression. Mason: calls trans identity a mental illness; wants compassionate treatment but no affirmation of delusion. Alexa: respects individual choices but won't affirm gender delusion. Brian: gave honest "I don't know" on AIS scenario; acknowledges complexity. Sonia: argues AIS and intersex aren't the same thing. Discussion of puberty blockers, detransitioners, conversion therapy. Pronoun round: Jory (any/all); Sonia, Sophia, Maya, Alexa, Taylor, Ahe (she/her); Brian (he/him).

01:49:20
"What percentage of men do you find attractive?"

Brian asks each guest what % of men they find physically attractive. Jory: 0% ("honestly none") — finds women far more visually appealing; identifies as pansexual. Ahe: 30-40% in person; lower on apps. Sonia: 50% in Bay Area (in person and apps). Sophia: ~1% on dating apps; ~20% at UCSB in person. Maya: ~25-30% in person; ~15-20% on apps. Taylor: ~45-50% in person; ~20-15% on apps. Mason: ~5% (very selective). Brian: ~50% of women walking around. Alexa: ~30-35% before marriage. Discussion of why women find apps unappealing vs. in-person. Brian attempts to show Mason off as attractive to Jory — she is unimpressed.

03:00:30
Trans women in women's sports

Discussion of whether trans women should compete in women's sports. Nearly all guests opposed. Maya: plays lacrosse at UCSB; says women fought hard for their sports space. Alexa: trans athletes should have their own division. Mason: men and women are not equal biologically; separate categories exist for good reason. Jory: doesn't care about sports but objects to exclusion in principle. Brian: most men's sports are technically open to women; asks if eliminating women's sports would be objectionable if open sports remained.

03:08:27
Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Stiffler (viewer) asks panel to rate own looks 1-10. Ahe: 7 (said "eight and a half, not in final form yet"). Kiki: 4 (per SPEAKER_09 segment at 11341). Others in rapid sequence (diarization partially merged): seven and a half/eight, seven, nine, five, eight mentioned. Brian: 5 ("solid five, you know"). Mason: self-rated 8 (per chunk 2 reference). Chat viewer (okydoi) rates panel left-to-right from clothing descriptions: leather jacket 5, denim jacket 6, black shirt 4, christmas sweater tomboy 4.5, fluffy jacket 4, ginger hair 7, black crop top 4. Jory objects: "the way we look is the least interesting thing about all of us."

03:10:47
What percentage of men are physically attractive (extended)

Return to the attractiveness percentage question after gender debate detour. Jory reconfirms: one in a million. Brian tries to find a male celebrity she'd call attractive — fails. Mason expresses attraction to ~5% of women. Full panel goes around again for percentages; Sophia: ~1% on hinge, ~20% UCSB in person. Maya: ~25-30% in person / 15-20% apps. Taylor: ~45-50% in person / 20-15% apps. Brian: ~50% of women. Discussion of geography and dating pool quality (Bay Area vs. UCSB vs. national).

03:40:10
Guest ideal partner types round

Going around table: what is everyone's type? Brian shares his full list (see "Brian's ideal type" topic). Jory: attentive, creative, passionate, no specific physical preferences, maybe long hair. Ahe: Black or Hispanic preferred; masculine, disciplined, goal-driven; not fashion-forward. Sonia: athletic/slim-muscular build; good hygiene; slightly shy but decisive; masculine. Sophia: artsy/confident; hygienic; mostly white guys by circumstance; surfer aesthetic; not specifically frat boys (had that phase); similar ambition level. Maya: white or East Asian; athletic; loyal, empathetic, Christian, emotionally aware. Taylor: god-fearing, ambitious, gym-goer, funny, family-oriented; Black or Mexican preferred; colored eyes, tattoos, nice teeth. Mason: God-fearing first; submissive/teachable; fit; natural body supremacist; chaotic energy / unpredictable personality (Jennifer Lawrence / Emilia Clarke type). Prefers virgin but not required. Gatekeeper role: Brian must approve his future partner.

03:45:40
Brian's ideal type / partner preferences list

Brian reads his full "ideal partner" list: slight preference for Asian or white women; short (4'9"-5'2" ideal); natural body supremacist (no implants, BBL, lip filler, labiaplasty, fake nails, heavy makeup); prefers natural body over surgically enhanced equivalent in all cases; no perfume; introverted/quiet/modest; submissive; low/zero body count; no bars/clubs; doesn't drink or do drugs; has praise kink; attentive/supportive of his mission. Showed video of woman doing deep bow; wants this as greeting from partner. Guests debate the bow: Ahe declines; Sonia says she'd do it if asked; Maya does curtsy demo; Brian accepts curtsy as alternative. Brian: "I'd prefer the bow but I will begrudgingly accept a curtsy."

04:22:22
Tattoos, piercings, and natural body discussion

Discussion of how tattoos and piercings fit into the Natural Body Supremacy framework. Brian: prefers no tattoos; small heart tattoo not a dealbreaker; scale matters. Tattoos may correlate with trauma, family issues, personality disorders — not always. Mason: tattoos may signal trashiness or financial irresponsibility; still not an absolute rule. Taylor: has full sleeve + face tattoo; pushes back on trashiness label. Sonia: has multiple tattoos, many shared with deceased best friend (sentimental). Alexa: has Harley Quinn sleeve. Discussion of why women find tattoos on men attractive (signal of danger/masculinity/aggression). Piercings: Brian less opposed than tattoos; not a fan of septum piercings. Sophia discusses nipple piercings casually; says many girls with small chests get them. Brian: tattoos/piercings done for women, not men; makeup/plastic surgery more done for men.

04:24:00
World of Warcraft / gaming tangent

Mid-show WoW Classic discussion triggered by a Twitch raid. Sophia is a WoW Classic player (Alliance warlock); debate over gnome vs. human warlock racials. Panel discusses gnome INT buff vs. human reputation gain. Brian offers $1,000 to any panelist who can say where Atiesh teleports — no one gets it. Ahe prefers Call of Duty and Mortal Kombat. Brian: would you date a guy with a level 60 gnome warlock with Atiesh? Discussion of whether gaming = unattractive.

06:06:40
Patriarchy debate

Jory argues patriarchy is real; examples: car crash test dummies designed for male bodies, medical research historically done on male subjects. Brian challenges both examples as not strong evidence of systematic oppression. Jory defines patriarchy as men being the default blueprint in society. Sonia: US is not a true patriarchy; compares to Afghanistan where women can't drive/go to school. Mason: argues lack of strong male leadership is root of societal gender confusion. Brian: the examples given are niche; military conscription is one counterexample that invalidates most feminist oppression arguments. Closing: Brian argues all feminist collective grievances fall flat against military conscription.

06:17:43
Women's voting rights / military conscription debate

Sonia hot take: women should not have the right to vote. Reasoning: women are biologically nurturers; suffrage pulled women from family role, contributing to nuclear family breakdown. Brian: supports women voting but notes inequality — men received voting rights tied to Selective Service / military conscription obligation; women got voting rights without that duty. Mason: all men registered for draft at 18; women exempt; this is an inequality. Discussion: if women want equality, should they be subject to military conscription? Jory: no one should be drafted (ideally). Brian: draft will never be abolished politically; practically it remains. Reference to Ukraine: men 18-60 unable to leave country; women able to flee and live normally. Discussion of military physical standards differences between men and women. Extended debate on whether feminism is compatible with selective military exemption.

07:28:00
Closing and end of show

Brian wraps up. Final hot take: are men or women more oppressed? Mixed answers. Brian: all feminist oppression arguments invalidated by military conscription. Sonia doubles down on anti-women-voting position. Super chat read by Mason. Would you date someone who legally owns a firearm? Near-unanimous yes. Twitch raid to WoW Grandma 78 (300 viewers, playing World of Warcraft). Three no-shows at start of episode; producer Nick went into Isla Vista to recruit last-minute guests. Show ran until approximately 1 AM.

Transcript

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07:27:09
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Brian Atlasvideo guys we're trying to get to 1 million subscribers over on our Clips Channel those of you who are watching on Twitch I'm going to prep a raid here really quick um Nick can you pull up these super chats and then Mason can I have you read these super chats for yeah I got
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Mason Gregoireyou oh yeah uh my ex-girlfriend is Ukrainian she lives in Kiev I had I have photos and video from her bday March for
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Mason GregoireValentine's Day and Christmas her manicure makeup hair clothes and flowers does not scream despair while things are bad yes a machine is pushing
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Brian Atlasnarrative interesting interesting she lives in K oh she's still in KB okay uh yeah she's you know
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Mason Gregoireit's going well going well uh next one nick uh if you're so scared carry a gun always use your Second Amendment right
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Brian Atlasretweet yes would you guys get last thing would you date a guy who owns a
07:28:53
Brian Atlasfirearm it depends legally owned a firearm AR-15 sure yes yeah yeah yes oh okay cool sick sweet all right that's it for all the chats guys um let me just
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Brian Atlassee who we're gonna raid over there on Twitch I'll do my outro really quick uh hold on let me just get this loaded up understand what a raid is oh they just like move all the people yeah we move
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Brian Atlasfor tuning in tonight you could been anywhere in the world but you're here with me I appreciate that thank you to everyone who super chats donates and supports the show we will be live again Tuesday 5:00 p.m. Pacific I think we've got a doozy a doozy on Tuesday going to be a very solid show any girls who want
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Brian Atlasto be on the show DM out whatever big thank you to our wonderful panel here um I know we went late I appreciate you guys uh burning the midnight oil with us
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Brian Atlasum we uh what's it called oh [ __ ] it's like one of in the morning yo I told you it goes fast it
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Brian Atlasgoes fast bro we better be getting okay don't worry about okay so thank you to the panel you guys were great I do want to thank uh we had I didn't you know I didn't say this
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Brian Atlasearlier we had three no shows so Nick went into the Mean Street OFA Vista did some [ __ ] recruiting I appreciate that Nick if otherwise we wouldn't have you know we were a bit delayed so thank
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Brian Atlasyou Nick shout out to Nick for being a a [ __ ] Trooper going into mean stre and it was it was drizzling a bit so okay over on Twitch
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Brian AtlasI'm rating wo Grandma 78 she's oh boy she's playing World of Warcraft she's um a grandma she's got
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Brian Atlasshe's currently got 300 viewers so we're going to give her a little uh little surprise raid here wo Grandma 78 playing World of Warcraft um tell her she should come on the whatever tell her she should
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Brian Atlaswe're inviting her when you her guys tell her um to come on the whatever podcast wo Grandma 78 she's I assume she's in her 70s so okay I'm starting
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Brian Atlasthe raid there over on Twitch uh that's going to go in just a sec so those of you leaving on Twitch thank you for tuning in over there on Twitch that's going out in three
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Brian Atlasseconds and then I'll say goodbye to our good friends on YouTube okay rating now that should have gone through and then here on YouTube so
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Brian Atlasthank you everyone else on YouTube those of you still on Twitch 07s in the chat good night guys thank you for tuning in we will see you on Tuesday I think it's Tay versus Kiko I think we'll
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Brian Atlassee we'll see we'll see what we it's it's going to be good one all right guys good night