05:34:30Alexapursue people yeah okay well you don't have to really pursue someone to be rejected you can basically say hey how's it going you want to grab a drink and the person say
05:34:40Brian Atlasno I don't no she's never she she's got the Riz bro she's got the Riz she's killing it when the dude steps boom it's on okay good
05:34:54Brian Atlastalk wait okay um we talked about that Sonia you wanted to talk about um hold on you said you lied about your
05:35:04Brian Atlasage on a dating app I did yikes oh my God bro chill chill out man
05:35:11Brian Atlasgodamn every time freaking out not you wait in high school
05:35:19Brian Atlasyeah boy I was I was 17 unfortunately unfortunately I'm very ashamed damn bro you trying to get trying to catch kick no you lie about
05:35:32Brian Atlasyour age so like you were were you dating these dudes were you dating these dudes um no I wasn't even meeting up with half
05:35:41Soniaof them so you met up with the other half I mean like no I mean no no I I wasn't meeting up with any of them um
05:35:53Soniait's because in high school I was really really really shy introverted um I didn't have a lot of friends no I've never been in a relationship like in
05:36:05Soniathat point in senior year I Haven I didn't even have my first kiss at that point um and I was kind of I was also diagnosed with like depression and
05:36:16Soniaanxiety in high school mhm um you also said here that you are you're autistic is that correct yeah okay so it's really hard for me to like I don't relate to a
05:36:27Sonialot of people um especially people my age um being on the Spectrum um I've also been diagnosed with a border Borderline Personality
05:36:39SoniaDisorder so it makes it very yeah but but this was before it got romanticized and being like Oh yeah I have borderline personality anybody else show of hands B
05:36:51Brian AtlasBPD it's not anything I'm proud of in fact I don't want BPD that mean any bipolar any
05:36:59Brian Atlasbipolar going once going twice NPD Nar NPD narcissistic personality
05:37:07Soniaanybody ber going once go ahead continue um and I I just really don't like the fact that people romanticize about it or
05:37:19Soniaromanticize it on Tik Tok and they're like oh yeah I have BPD no it's not fun it really ruins everything it ruins relationships it ruins relationships with your parents with your your
05:37:30Brian Atlassiblings with people that you're trying to date it's not fun um so BPD can manifest s differently for different people when it comes to your romantic
05:37:41Soniarelationships how does it negatively manifest itself for you so um I didn't realize I had it until I joined a family therapy group with
05:37:53TTS Donation Readeranother Russian Lady cuz we speak Russian um and she said she told D killer of cereal donated $100 better chance female or male if a
05:38:05TTS Donation Readerguy got naked had would and tried to coerce a female over after just meeting they would be in jail a man wouldn't call cops on her for same behavior
05:38:17Brian Atlasthoughts well he should what bro what the [ __ ] is this what hold on if a guy got naked had would try to it's like a sex over after just wait
05:38:30Brian Atlasthey would be in jail a man wouldn't call cops on her so like a girl shows up wait naked gu naked yeah like on the date like public nudity you got other
05:38:41Brian Atlasproblems that's like that's a crime right there like that's already crazy yes that's public exposure wait so Mason here's this well I don't know if this is going to apply to you like I show up to
05:38:51Taylor (TayTay)a date at the beach and she's just like I'm a nudist and she's like she's a godfear she's got fear enough my God I
05:39:03Brian Atlaswhat's your answer now me but she's like trying to chase me a naked woman trying to chase me I might call the cops in that situation I'd be like I'm like bro she's trying to like but what if she was attractive she's on drugs what what if
05:39:16Brian Atlasshe was attractive what if she was attractive but she's trying to like if she B what if what if she bows what she bow this is such a ridiculous scenario like what she bow basically I guess what
05:39:29Brian Atlashe's saying is like the standards are like different for like legally yes it's there is a double 100% legally there's a double standard thing wait what let go back though let's go back I think you're
05:39:39Soniasaying how it manifests oh yeah so um in dating um it was very much black and white like all or nothing so for example
05:39:51Soniaif this person didn't talk to me for example for an hour I'm not saying I'm like this now cuz I had a lot of therapy
05:39:58Soniaand I'm happy to say that I'm improved um I would block them and just never talk to them again if they didn't
05:40:07Soniarespond to my message oh impulsive but would you like unblock them or just like straight up block them and then I would unblock them and then they'd be like why did you do that and I'm like I'm sorry
05:40:20Soniathe highs and lows a lot yeah very high very low um and then uh I'm trying to think of another thing that I did cuz I don't do it a lot
05:40:31Soniaanymore uh a lot of seeking validation huh okay so a lot of people who have BPD are very impulsive so it it could be
05:40:41Sonialike drugs uh sex with money for me it's with money unfortunately wait prostitution like they have sex with a lot of people
05:40:53Soniawait sex with money hold on no no no like am I misunderstanding spending spending impulsively spending I'm sorry things my bad I'm
05:41:03Soniasorry for me it's it's spending money um so I'm definitely not proud of that um so I kind of compensate by
05:41:15Soniaoverworking and then that that just gives me burnout um but for example I I've never been drunk I don't do drugs
05:41:24Soniaoh there you go um so I mean I I I got high but that was anyways but a lot of people do
05:41:34Soniathatp what what I didn't say anything all the worst one no no okay well it's legal in California um okay yeah so I
05:41:46Soniadidn't go down that route it was more spending money um luckily I do have a good relationship with my family where
05:41:53Brian Atlasthey were like you need help we're going to help you so yeah and I ruined a lot of relationships can you give us like one
05:42:05Brian Atlaslike the most glaring example like actually get into what you did that just destroyed one of these
05:42:14Soniarelationships because of the BPD um I'm trying to think manslaughter yeah no I'm just kidding
05:42:29Soniaum it's more like taking things to the extreme how so um so I would go so far to ask like do you like me do you still like me oh you don't like me
05:42:41Brian Atlasbecause you don't you like we're not hanging out yeah you overthink everything but not only that you would like would you constantly do it constantly like it wouldn't you would
05:42:51Sonialike every time you saw the person every time every time it was it's really awful and I'm not proud of that I did that I
05:42:58Soniadidn't have any control over myself um and it's just it's really overwhelming um and like I said I don't like how
05:43:11Soniapeople are saying like oh yeah I have BPD I'm insane like I don't I wish I didn't have it and a lot of BPD actually stems from trauma from
05:43:21Soniachildhood so a big chunk of my childhood is don't tell us details but you can be General no I don't remember it okay oh cuz you blocked it from because the
05:43:31Soniahuman brain is insane it it can block huge chunks of your m and it can only be brought back which I don't know if anyone believes in in hypnotherapy so it gives you gets you
05:43:43Soniainto like a deeper State of Consciousness because like we said we we don't know anything about the human brain or a lot yeah I have one more question for you on something else
05:43:55Brian Atlasyou've said but before I get there we always do it every single show does body count matter yes starting
05:44:05Kikiwith you to a certain extent like if it's too big it's concerning okay same
05:44:12Mayaresponse if yeah not too many yes kind of STDs matter okay yeah that's fair matter yes they it matters yes yes
05:44:24Brian Atlasbody count matters of course so followup question do you think it's insecure for a man to care about a woman's body
05:44:35Brian Atlascount only if it's one of the first things they bring up first thing hi nice to meet you Cindy what's your body what's your body count how many
05:44:50Mayapenises no it's not inure I feel like if it's the first thing that's a little we indicative thinking what's shot good to meet and can you bow also can you bow
05:45:02Sophiabody count can you bow also like if he has a higher body count and he is like super like weird about you having a body count like over like over three or something and like he has a higher body
05:45:15Sophiacount than you I think that's really weird I'm just just I don't think it's that weird hypocritical no not really why don't you think it's weird I don't think it's that weird well I don't think okay
05:45:26Brian AtlasI here's my argument I don't think in order to desire a trait in a partner you need to possess that trait now if you make a judgment about it then that's different and if you're like well people
05:45:38Brian Atlaswho have high body counts are pieces of [ __ ] and blah blah like then and you have a high body count yourself I I don't even know if it'd be hypocritical if you're like yeah I'm a piece of [ __ ] yeah well there you go I
05:45:52Alexaacknowledge I'm a piece of [ __ ] that would be one thing but if you're judging someone cuz you're what what would you consider a high buy count what what is I mean it depends on age it depends on the
05:46:01Brian Atlasage okay so let's say someone in I think years old once you get over 10 I think that's a pretty good cut off I 10
05:46:09Brian Atlasyears for a second 10 years old no 10 the body count the body count Jesus Christ regardless of age F
05:46:20Brian Atlasgirls um yes yeah body count over 10 that's high okay uh getting into the high territory high for a woman or for a
05:46:29Brian Atlasman uh well I'm not in favor of male promiscuity either right I'm either um but I mean I do think are differences between men and women um but I don't think it's necessarily
05:46:42Brian Atlashypocritical or weird because like for example as a guy let's say you've you've accumulated the high body count and perhaps you realized like you've had a shift and you're like ah actually this
05:46:53Brian Atlaswas not the correct way to move in the dating Marketplace uh I actually have determined I value long-term relationships and uh and I acknowledge
05:47:04Brian Atlasthat having a high body count having a promiscuous past having a lot of sexual partners is bad in a lot of ways it's a there's a potential higher risk of STDs as you mentioned there's a impact on pair bonding there's a greater
05:47:17Brian Atlaslikelihood of infidelity there's a greater likelihood of reporting relationship dissatisfaction um and there's a greater likelihood if you're inclined to get married a greater likelihood of divorce and they've studied this so the more
05:47:29Brian Atlaspremarital sex premarital sexual partners you've had the greater likelihood of all those things uh so you can like realiz iiz oh I [ __ ] up but if I'm going to make the most Optimum
05:47:40Brian Atlasdating choice I can the most Optimum dating Choice might include dating somebody who's not promiscuous doesn't have a promiscuous past has a low body count I don't think that that's uh
05:47:52Sophiaobjectionable so what if you were to meet a woman that went through the exact same experience you did of she had to pass like that where she was very promiscuous and then she decided that
05:48:04Sophiathat was not the direction she wanted to go what you still judge her for having a high body count even though she went through the same realization you did um what so the question is would I
05:48:16Brian Atlasjudge her she had the same realization pris past same like let's just say she has the same body count say like exact same like basically um experience you did as a woman so here's the scenario I
05:48:29Brian Atlashave 100 I'm not saying this is my body count I have a 100 body count she has a 100 body count we both came to the realization that this is not uh you know
05:48:39Brian Atlasthis being promiscuous is not good trying to you know turn a new Leaf yeah I would disqualify her I would disqualify her 100 body count I think that's hypocritical but it's not
05:48:51Brian Atlashypocritical it's not hypocritical it can be your preference but I think it's hypocritical no because you're not obliged to date somebody you can use any sort of
05:49:03Brian Atlasjudgment or disqualifying metrics that you can use to disqualify somebody totally it's not hypocritical I wouldn't date this okay do you think that in order to date somebody you need to
05:49:14Sophiapossess all the same traits in order to date them well no no I'm just saying if you're going to so basically you have this preference because in my head at
05:49:26Sophialeast because you were at least judging some part of that body count because that that is like taking everything else aside you are judging her body count sure
05:49:37Sophiaokay let's say I am so me saying so what I'm saying is that you judging her body count when you did the exact same thing and have the exact same body count is hypocritical no not I'm I don't think so
05:49:49SophiaI don't think it I'm saying you're entitled to that opinion but I think it's hypocritical I think it'd be hypocritical if you if you were making
05:50:00Brian Atlasa sort of like a a criticism of of them like if you're like you're a piece of [ __ ] but I'm not a
05:50:08Brian Atlaspiece of [ __ ] but you're a piece of [ __ ] but if it's like well I did this but I acknowledge if I'm trying to maximize
05:50:18Brian Atlasthe type of partner that I want to be with despite myself doing it I acknowledge that this is a terrible thing to have in a partner this is a bad thing to have in a partner I don't think
05:50:30Brian Atlasit's hypocritical because then you're just making a an optimization when it comes to who you choose to date and not date but basically you want to be accepted by
05:50:41Sophiasomeone that that is okay with your body count so you want someone to not judge your own body count but you are willing to judge someone else for that body
05:50:51Brian Atlascount so I think in that in a general sense it is hypocritical but again so are you obliged to date someone who you
05:51:02Brian Atlasare you saying you cannot date somebody no that's what I'm saying okay in order for you to want to be with someone need
05:51:11Brian Atlasyou be exactly the same not at all okay like so are there things that you desire in a partner that you yourself don't
05:51:20Sophiapossess sure like what um maybe they're really good at
05:51:28Sophiasports I don't I don't have that ability okay maybe I'm you know maybe or maybe they're really good at playing the
05:51:39Brian Atlasviolin well here's I I'll give you a couple examples right because there's a whole if we're speaking in generalities here yeah there's a lot of things that
05:51:48Brian Atlaswomen possess in men that they very frequently never possess in themsel so maybe this is more double standard than hypocrisy but for example uh May because
05:52:01Brian Atlasyou're saying well if a guy has a high body count and he wants a woman with a low body count that would be hypocritical but what about women for example who are not funny who desire a man who's funny there's a lot of women
05:52:12Brian Atlaswho really value humor in a partner mhm but they are not they're not funny at all would you agree with that yeah sure okay what about a woman who's broke but
05:52:22Brian Atlasshe's attracted to a billionaire would you fault her for that attraction um would I wait say that again would you fault a woman who's broke being attracted to a billionaire
05:52:34Brian Atlaslet's say she has access to dating a billionaire I mean would it be hypocritical of her to date to take the opportunity to date what is an optimal dating move I think I think the
05:52:45Sophiadifference is is that if a guy were to possess all the qualities she wanted but like was also broke like her and she turned him down I think that is a little bit hypocritical maybe she has her reasons for it or maybe it's a double
05:52:58Sophiastandard whatever you know word you would use to describe it but um I think like she can have those preferences I think that she's going to turn away someone that has the same
05:53:09Sophiaqualities as her but she wants something better I think it it is a little funny you know like and that's kind of all I'm saying I'm saying you can have that preference and like and you know that's
05:53:21Sophiawhat you want I'm just saying that it is kind of funny that that is your standard when you C when you yourself don't meet that standard well I mean then everybody in
05:53:31Brian Atlasthe history of dating I would argue is engaging in this double standard hypocrisy because again I would argue that the vast majority of women desire
05:53:41Brian Atlastraits in men that they don't possess that's true like okay look I I'll I'll just go down the list I have it written down here so okay you'll they'll want a traditional men but
05:53:53Brian Atlasthey're not traditional so chivalry you'll have modern women who really strongly desire like all the chivalrous treatment but they're like super modern
05:54:04Brian Atlaswomen they want a charismatic man what what woman doesn't want a charismatic guy but they're totally devoid of any charisma at all this one's not totally fair because
05:54:15Brian Atlasthere's sexual dimorphism but a tall you know women want tall men but they're not tall doesn't make them Hypocrites um they want a guy who's strong but maybe they're not physically strong themselves
05:54:27Brian Atlasthey want a dominant man but they're not dominant they want a man who takes initiative but they've never taken initiative in their life they want a man to chase but they don't chase they want was confident but they're not confident
05:54:38TTS Donation Reader[ __ ] Energy donated $100 oh there last part A 304 admitted she was thinking of a Chad while her simp husband was [ __ ] her then she
05:54:47TTS Donation Readerdivorced his ass pair bonding is real and body count is matters Abdul get the [ __ ] rocks the get the Rocks get the Rocks um thank you man
05:54:58Brian Atlasappreciate it LP appreciate it um and look there's some dudes that are maybe delusional in Desiring like all these traits and women that well
05:55:11Brian Atlasfism what just like okay so here's the here's here's a bit of a differential on the whole body count thing right so I think men tend to care
05:55:22Brian Atlasfar more about body count than do women MH and one of the reasons is based in evos pych evolutionary psychology so one of the reasons why I think men care far more about this than women when it comes
05:55:33Brian Atlasto either female virginity or lack of promis or just having a low body count so I believe it was in the 1980s when we were able to um you know we started
05:55:43Brian Atlassequencing DNA we could determine the paternity of fathers with certainty prior to the 1980s and again even with
05:55:51Brian Atlasthe uh the uh invention of DNA testing that doesn't undo hundreds of thousands
05:55:58Brian Atlasof years of evolution in this regard so if a woman gets pregnant you know for certain that she's the mother in every instance like if you're pregnant well
05:56:10Brian Atlasyou're carrying the child so that's there's no doubt to maternity but when it comes to paternity there's not really a way to know now I know we have DNA tests now
05:56:22Brian Atlasbut that doesn't again it doesn't undo uh you know the hundreds of thousands of years of evolution here so men they can't we can't know who the father is
05:56:33Brian Atlasreally like unless we had our eyes on you 24/7 one of the biggest L's that you can take in life as a guy is to raise a
05:56:43Brian Atlaschild that you think is yours but isn't so men have a much more vested interest in ensuring the paternity of their children whereas for women there's never
05:56:53Brian Atlasa doubt of uh who's the parent for you that's never a concern um for example if a man has 10 wives who are all loyal to
05:57:04Brian Atlashim you know who the father mother is and you know who the mother is for each of those children that ends up getting born but if one woman has 10 husbands and they're all assume before you know
05:57:15Brian Atlasassume there's no DNA testing um and all those men the 10 men are having sex with that woman there you don't know who the father is who's the
05:57:26Brian Atlasfather okay and so how does this relate to body count well that's why men care about it more because there's an evolutionary psych psychology basis DNA to
05:57:38Brian Atlascare social there's cultural reasons but there's there is a evolutionary reason for men to care more about this and that's why men tend to be more territorial okay women are more women are very territorial for a different
05:57:51Brian Atlasreason though and that comes down to like since men tend to be fall into the provider role women will be much more territorial when it comes to male provisioning so if a male is like for example paying for another girl's only
05:58:03Brian Atlasfans and you're in a relationship with him that's like a huge [ __ ] slight to a woman or as a woman like you might be like object more to a man like financially um providing for another
05:58:15Brian Atlaswoman as compared to like sexual infidelity they're both bad don't get me wrong but like that'd be I mean I probably would care more about infidelity but yeah that's fine um
05:58:27Sophiarelating to the body count though and how I can see how over the years that has mattered but I think now that you have genetic testing it's it kind of does take it away and now it's it
05:58:38Sophiadoesn't though like you're saying we're kind of wired like men are wired to care about body count but you can't intellectualize that that gut thing
05:58:49Sophiaaway yeah like if it's also just be how guys are raised you know that there's kind of like just like through culture you know maybe that is also part of it what's the culture the culture that body
05:59:01Sophiacount matters for women women that women I feel like I I don't think it matters more for women than men but you know
05:59:12Brian Atlasum I think well yeah I mean I've I've already made the argument for paternity certainty so there's that component but culturally
05:59:23Brian Atlasspeaking um who do you think is more desirous of virgins men or women I think with Purity culture I would think men Purity culture okay well
05:59:35Brian Atlasit seems to me that there's not like a large subset of women who are like even women who have lost their own virginity who are like wow it would be really cool to like hook up or date someone who's a
05:59:48Brian Atlasvirgin whereas I think there's a high much higher proportion of men who'd be interested in that I agree and so you're saying that's because of evolution or what you're I think there's a biological basis there's
05:59:59Sophiaa cultural basis I think I think there's a religious B basis I think that has been like a major part I mean Christianity obviously but that's fair but I think it probably varies depending
06:00:11Sophiaon each culture but I think in the US religion has been a huge part of it like um also the way that women were used like um used in marriages yeah what do
06:00:24Sophiayou mean used in marriages used in marriages like to form alliances and they were expected to be pure for their husbands and arrange marriages that's what I was talking about I think they were being used but yeah they were being
06:00:36SophiaI don't know I kind of object to the term used but um I mean I would argue that are you talking like arranged marriages not currently in the past how they were arranged marriages were women were being used yeah I don't they were
06:00:49Sophiabeing used what about the men who were also part of that like there's two sides of that the man was arranged to marry her too yeah but he also he get a choice okay but here's the thing and usually this is how it went that it was just
06:01:03Sophialike they could have Mistresses they could pretty much continue their life they yeah are you talking like monarchs like maybe Kings like way back yeah I'm not talking about like okay now I don't know if the peasantry really had much
06:01:14Brian Atlasaccess to mistresses that was yeah that was more I mean I think for maybe you can speak better on this but my understanding of Christianity is that well chrity specif monogamy
06:01:24Sophiawas pretty that was the okay sorry I was talking I kind of like went all over the place a little bit Yeah so okay I'll stick to Christianity um I think that just like the whole religion itself
06:01:36Sophiawith Mary being pregnant and still being a virgin um I think that like that Rel like religion was founded on women being
06:01:45Sophiapure and the fact that is that a bad thing for women to be pure I I don't think it's a bad thing in itself if
06:01:55Sophiawomen choose that but when they are expected to be pure and it's kind of and when they're not like allowed to do what they want or aren't allowed to have access to like birth control and stuff
06:02:07Sophiaand stuff like that it's a bigger issue yeah we don't have to get into that I'm just saying it can't have what is the so what would be the counter what would be the alternative to Purity the alternative generously yeah but I it doesn't have to
06:02:19Sophiabe like a complet like you know if it's a scale and like this is once it does we don't have to go to the complete other side I'm just saying that it it's all about just like women being able to
06:02:30Sophiachoose do you think women are happy with hookup culture though not necessarily women are happy with it no I'm not saying I'm not saying that you have to
06:02:39Mason Gregoirego to hookup culture well that's isn't that the status quo no but like you you live in ID Vista I do yeah is hookup culture the status quo it is here yeah for sure I mean you said you've been single for 20 years I would actually
06:02:52Mason Gregoiremake the argument that women in history in patriarchal societies were happier than women are today in our society should we talk about we can talk about I mean would I want to get to the
06:03:03TTS Donation Readerpart we we'll get to that really quick I the underscore old uncore bcore in minnesot donated $100 man this BSD gen shit's extremely
06:03:14TTS Donation Readerunnatural sickly Carpenters Dream Whip It Out granny calls PP not vvv get the ruler Gramps forgot to take measure help him stop [ __ ] with nature # fafo you
06:03:26Brian Atlasrock brain he called me brain yo thank you man the old Bowl in Minnesota Minnesota thank you man I don't know which side he was wait we
06:03:38Brian Atlaswe'll come to that really quick that will probably be the last topic of conversation really quick on the body count thing uh what's your body count
06:03:45Brian Atlasstarting with you zero five nine pass oh come on Range range less than
06:03:56Ahe10 eight seven eight eight pass oh come on sorry you can't do that I don't want to
06:04:06Brian Atlasanswer like not on here now over 10 yes over 20 no over 50 no over 100 hell no sorry sorry I was just yeah okay what what about you
06:04:21Ahefour cool cool multiply by three and that's the real number for all of you I'm not singling any of you out looking me directly in my eyes when you say
06:04:33Brian Atlasthat you got to do the math there do the math boys do the math I know it's complicated okay uh wait so the patriarchy is that what is that what you guys want to talk about let's talk really quick oh who
06:04:45Sophiahere considers themsel a feminist feminist not really come on you don't know just there's so many like there's
06:04:55Brian Atlasdifferent waves of feminism too I don't know maybe like first gen first yeah is there how about this we were talking about uh we go around here feminist feminist
06:05:06Brian Atlasuh is there is there a patriarchy to an extent yeah to an extent yeah okay same yeah
06:05:16Brian Atlasno yeah yeah I I yes no uh yeah there oh there is a patriarchy okay goodness we may be
06:05:29Brian Atlasdiffer on this I reject that there's a patriarchy I reject the patriarchy although
06:06:35Brian Atlaseffects for example that's almost like an attempt to protect women and to protect unborn children for example so that's one of the reasons why typically they'll do uh
06:06:47Brian Atlastesting more so on men than women is the risk to a potential unknown unborn child do you think that's a a fair thing that's reasonable not necessarily
06:06:59Jorybecause I'm sure there's plenty of women who know for a fact they're not pregnant and shouldn't be excluded from research studies sure but that's one consideration the
06:07:08Brian Atlasother consideration is that could it also be the case that men are more willing to participate in these sorts of
06:07:18Brian Atlasstudies where they're getting injected or pumped full of um experiment experimental drugs and women tend to have care a bit
06:07:29Jorymore about their health and are less willing to put their health at risk in a uh you you know to test out some brand new drug that could be a factor but I still don't see why that would prevent
06:07:41Sophiathere from being enough research on women there still could be more done I agree perhaps I feel like it has more to to do with the fact that women are harder to predict what their hormones
06:07:53Sophiaand the Cycles that's the other thing the the impact of hormones so which is like I can understand how that makes research harder but at the same time women are you know like half the
06:08:04Brian Atlaspopulation so the the other thing I wanted to just add to that is that I mean I could make a counterargument saying well when it comes to birth control for example
06:08:15Brian Atlasthere's like dozens of birth control options for women there's zero birth control options for men I mean there's vasectomy and but that I mean I don't
06:08:26Joryreally my counterargument to that would be because birth control is unpleasant most of the time and so the burden of it is placed on us if it were truly equal then there would be just as many options
06:08:38Brian Atlasfor men as well well I think part of it is that it's it's if there was a birth control available for men it would put a lot of
06:08:49Brian Atlasreproductive control uh it would give men a substantial amount of reproductive control and um it's interesting to me that there hasn't been one that's
06:09:01Brian Atlasdeveloped I would like that for be for there to be one it would be nice if we all had options and also my understanding is when it comes to being able to control uh
06:09:13Brian Atlasreproduction uh the mechanisms by which that's done vary so greatly between men and women you say well it would be uncomfortable for men but it's much and perhaps this is why there hasn't really
06:09:25Brian Atlasbeen a development in men's birth control is that it's actually far just easier to find mechanisms to control women's um
06:09:36Brian Atlasuh you know to provide birth control for women as compared to men the mechanism is far more difficult there and I've heard the the drugs are much more
06:09:46Brian Atlasimpactful on men than their counterparts in women okay I was going to say okay let's not linger too long on that you had more examples of the patriarchy oh
06:09:57Jorythat's where we were going there so it's nothing too I'm not bringing up anything that's too deep or serious it's just examples of things that are kind of made with men as the default in mind like
06:10:07Jorycars for example impact in a crash is made with the survivability test done on male mannequins so it's not really built for our bodies we're not quite as likely
06:10:19Mason Gregoireto survive isn't that just the the nature of a oh sorry isn't that just the like the nature of a vehicle
06:10:28Mason Gregoireimpact it doesn't have to be though no I mean like as a student of physics it doesn't really matter what the object is like the impact is going to be the same manin has titties like did we got to
06:10:41Ahegive the mannequin titties I don't think so yeah I do know what you're talking about though I feel it mostly it's just that um impact we have to do like a lot more like adjustments for the car we have to um lower the wheel like way
06:10:54Mason Gregoirelower so that if we were to get impacted it would hit our chest and not our face but you have the option to lower the wheel which which is so I mean like but
06:11:03Mason Gregoirethose those advancements benefit both men and women like it's not the man's fault that uh he's more substantial like
06:11:13Mason Gregoirebodywise like I I don't see like I guess yeah you could make an argument that it's not equal that men are more um or less fragile than women yeah that's true
06:11:26Mason Gregoirebut like yeah I just don't see how we can remedy that I think it what's what's the system there that makes men less fragile than women I think it mostly has to do
06:11:38Sophiawith like the the height of stuff like I think that what you guys are saying is that it has like accommodations and stuff cuz as you said I haven't like actually I've only heard about this I don't really know much about it to
06:11:49Sophiareally comment on it but I think what you guys are talking about is that like for example like the seat belt has to like sit like a certain way but if you're like like usually you can adjust like the you know the part where it
06:12:00Sophiaconnects to the car but like if you're like for me at least I am average height for a woman and I still struggle to like adjust the seat and adjust like you know everything in the car to my height and
06:12:12Sophialike if I was any shorter like I don't know if I could really see that well over a steering wheel stuff like that that it's just like it's not really I could make the same argument for short men I know like I mean there are like
06:12:24Mason Gregoiremen experience like what about Shaq I mean he has to buy specific cars like I can come up with examples as well like are we prejudice against those men I
06:12:34Mason Gregoirethink it's just on average she's saying like just what most likely War them in to strugle with I don't totally buy that I'm just saying like I'm just say I think arit yeah I don't see it as a a
06:12:47Brian Atlasproduct of the patriarchy I just see it as a product of women being a little more fragile than men wait can I I want to jump in really quick back on the the like you you were saying like drug
06:12:58Brian Atlasexperiments were mostly are the not necessar just drug just medical so your argument is there's evidence of a patriarchy because men are human guinea pigs is that no because a lot of these
06:13:10Brian Atlasresearch that are done in that way are not necessarily in that kind of well you could make the argument that somehow because it's more well researched in men that perhaps these medications it's it's better understood their impact in men
06:13:23Brian Atlaswhich could ostensibly down the road have a negative impact in women because it wasn't studied enough however if we're looking at the actual fact that men are the human guinea pigs for the
06:13:35Brian Atlasthese experimental drug treatments couldn't it couldn't you make an opposite argument that men are so desperate to for money that they're willing
06:13:44Sophiato under like go into these studies if they're making if the people designing the studies have to you know find the people they're doing the research on so
06:13:55Sophiathey have to tell you know tell the public of if they're looking for males or females so what if there's just less women who are willing to volunte here I doubt it I out of the whole world you
06:14:07Sophiacan I'm sure you can find women you know what I mean like I like I'm sure that if you're offering money there's enough there's going to be enough women to do it do you think let's Okay are men or do
06:14:19Brian Atlasyou think men or women are more likely to be willing to maybe they're in a bind financially I don't think people are being human guinea pigs for like uh benevolent
06:14:31Brian Atlasreasons I think they do it because they need money yeah I don't think they're like I want to help Advance science go inject me with this unknown thing I think they do it because they're desperate for money I'm also kind of
06:14:43Mason Gregoireinterested I know like consumerism data for women like the if you take 100% of people who consume things 80% of that are women and 20% of that are men I
06:14:54Mason Gregoirewonder if that's the you could make that same comparison to the medical industry like if 80% of the consumption in the medical industry is women and 20% men CU
06:15:03Mason GregoireI know in consumerism just in general women women consume 80% of the stuffs so if you could carry that over to the medical industry it wouldn't make much
06:15:13Mason Gregoiresense that like the medical industry is biasing all of their research towards men now I don't know maybe it is but but their consumer base they know
06:15:25Mason Gregoirestatistically is largely women it just doesn't make much sense to me I I don't know maybe there's like statistics to disprove that I just like as I'm thinking through it it just doesn't make
06:15:37Sophiatoo much sense no yeah and I what I think it I don't know if it's like women are purposly being discluded um for I don't even know like for what reason what I'm saying is that
06:15:50SophiaI think that women are being discluded because they're harder to do research on because of the tracking you know it's like you'd have to put in more effort to
06:16:00Brian Atlassomehow make all the you know take away the factors of hormones and Cycles right well to to bring it back so the original question was I think do we live under patriarchy I was asking for
06:16:13Brian Atlasdefinition of what the patriarchy is and you're kind of giving some examples so there's the car one the human experimentation one
06:16:25Joryum so what is the patriarchy I guess well what I originally said was it's just that things are originally made with just men as the blueprint like the default idea when it should be for all
06:16:37Brian Atlasof us okay um the two examples you provided seem to
06:16:45Brian Atlasbe a little bit uh Niche is there what what are some of the other examples of what a patriarchy is
06:16:56Jorywell for the longest time um well until about someone could give me an exact date but until more recently education was kept from women education was kept
06:17:07Soniafrom women okay can I say something um so a lot of people don't realize that we are really
06:17:19Sonianot a patriarchy because if you look in a lot of um Middle Eastern countries for example Afghanistan um it's very much built around men that is truly a patriarchy
06:17:32Soniawomen can't drive women can't go to school women can't some actually that's exactly what I was going to say to you you had something on women voting yeah I don't I
06:17:43Soniadon't think I agree with you but I'm go ahead State your position I don't think women should be able to vote hot take
06:17:55Soniawow with context of course like you know because statistically um more women are Democrats
06:18:05Soniaand if you were to take away women's votes it would be more leaning towards Republican conservative yeah
06:18:16Soniaconservative so you're you're conservative for the most part I'm libertarian I actually hold that position I'm sorry Brian wait you you
06:18:28Brian Atlaswant to get rid of women's vote what are you a radical you [ __ ] extremist I mean I'm not saying like radical extremist I just feel like it was a mistake so so wait what was a mistake I want to
06:18:41Mason Gregoiregive my reasoning giving women I say that and I yeah hold on let's let her give her reasoning for give your reasoning yeah because if you think about
06:18:51Soniait by human nature women we're supposed to biologically are nurturers and Caregivers for the family so by adding
06:19:03Soniawomen to the workforce and giving them the right to vote you're taking them away from their natural natural environment which is being a mother being a caregiver and that's I feel like
06:19:15Soniathat's what's making Society crumble right now because we're get taking away from the nuclear family I completely disagree but I mean
06:19:25Soniabut agree do you guys agree with her she wants she wants to take away your right to vote no um a lot of women don't vote I ask a lot of women they say no I
06:19:36Ahedidn't vote so what's the point so that's okay but that's their choice so then what's the point I think I think maybe you know instead of taking away women's right to vote you know because I mean at the end of the day we we're also
06:19:49Ahein this country too there's not not everybody I understand like the whole nuclear family and stuff but now is just a time where we're working women like we are involved in you know yeah I mean
06:19:59Brian Atlassociet I'm just saying it shouldn't have happened I I think women should vote but hold on let me let me add this I do think you guys got the vote a little
06:20:10Brian Atlasunfairly yeah yeah guys it was a little unfair how you got the vote because men the way we got the vote is we were
06:20:18Brian Atlassubject to military conscription women were able to secure a right privilege to vote without any corresponding civil
06:20:29Brian AtlasDuty or responsibility to your country yeah so I'm in favor of women voting yeah you kind of sneaked it in a little bit you know whatever I think we should be able to I think we should draft women
06:20:41Brian Atlasthoughts I think no one should be drafted but it should be your own personal choice women and men can be in the Army but it should be your choice well okay so hold on there's so women can volunteer for the military women can
06:20:53Brian Atlasparticipate in the military although there's okay I'm not going to get into that there's differ there's differences there um for example okay really quick
06:21:02Brian Atlasthe the the uh physical requirements to join the military are like really low are way different for men and women which is an inequality and being a
06:21:12Brian Atlassoldier requires a certain degree of uh physical labor um being physically strong whatever there's a certain standard there the same with police officers and firefighters yet it's interesting to me that despite these
06:21:25Brian Atlasjobs requiring some degree of physicality uh there there is a call for example equal pay it used to be equal pay for equal work now it's just equal
06:21:35Brian Atlaseveryone yeah but you know what I mean like for example if it takes three female police officers to subdue one male criminal versus it might take one or two male police officers to do the
06:21:47Brian Atlassame job is it the same job is there great well okay well okay I'm sorry I'm totally [ __ ] derailing sorry the caffeine's [ __ ] kicking in hold on wait so
06:21:56Brian Atlasokay oh right you're uh the the military conscription you think it should we should do away with the draft yeah one should be drafted but isn't that kind of like saying well war is bad I there just
06:22:10Joryshouldn't be War well I'm not going to say war is good but I do believe it should be people's right to choose what they do and there's plenty of people who are willing to do it well there's yes there
06:22:21Brian Atlasthere's volunteer you know this guy is volunteering uh to to join the Air Force uh but hold on I I'll finish my the underscore old uncore bcore in minutes
06:22:33TTS Donation Readerdonated one $0000 the push-up here right now is telling PPM men should cut and snip till we pass polygraphs proved achieving financial and emotional security clowns
06:22:45TTS Donation Readeron the left and joke us to our here a in Middle stuck with you that's a song I'm pretty sure okay
06:22:53Brian AtlasStuck In The Middle With You So Okay uh war is bad get it I totally get it but practically speaking
06:23:05Brian Atlasis it conceivable that there could be some scenario where a draft would be
06:23:13Brian Atlasrequired I think there could be a scenario where that happens and I don't think it like let's just be totally blunt practical here the draft is never
06:23:24Brian Atlasgoing away so assuming that do you think it assuming that it's never going to be politically possible to get rid of the draft do you then think as a matter of
06:23:35Joryequality that women should be subject to military conscription I just don't believe that should ever be forced if no one's volunteering then other means should be
06:23:46Brian Atlasfound other me well okay but just try to engage with the question here so assuming that getting rid of the draft is politically impossible it just will
06:23:55Brian Atlasnever happen engage with me there do you think then for the sake of equality that women should be subject to military conscription just as men
06:24:06Joryare would that still need to happen if the world leaders themselves just fought each other just try to just engage with the
06:24:16Joryquestion we get it draft bad mil War bad I mean I guess in that very specific scenario you mean have to be both you mean the scenario that ISR currently in
06:24:28Mason Gregoirethat's actually the case but that's not the case in our current scenario plenty of people are willing to volunteer no in our current scenario the draft is in place should and all men when they turn
06:24:41Mason Gregoire18 and register to vote they have to register for the draft I did it every man I know has done it women I no wom do it they don't they don't have to so in
06:24:51Mason Gregoireour current situation would it be since the right to vote came with milit military conscription all of these other things the right to vote was given to men as a privilege for all of those things that they would do for their
06:25:03Mason Gregoirecountry like they get a say in the political comings and goings of America do you think since we want to pursue equality
06:25:12Mason Gregoirewomen should also for that privilege be required to meet those same standards for the privilege of voting you're saying
06:25:22Joryyes yes but I think the D the question was more so directed to you if it's in exchange for being able to vote meaning from both sides if you weren't signed up
06:25:36Joryfor the draft you couldn't vote then sure okay so you're in favor of women being subject to military conscription in those simple terms no
06:25:44Brian Atlasbut in the scenario where you need to in order to vote well but so the current the current way it is is that there is a
06:25:54Brian Atlasthere is a selective service for men to be able to vote they have to register for the Selective Service they're subject to a potential military
06:26:05Brian Atlasconscription should the need arise women are exempt from this this occurs to me to be an inequality between men and women and if I recall I believe you stated you a feminist correct which if I
06:26:17Brian Atlascan be most charitable in my definition of feminism and this is a this is actually not how I Define feminism but if I just am charitable here and say that feminism is uh fighting for
06:26:28Joryequality between men and women then shouldn't you as a feminist be in favor of equalizing this yes and though we can't like if we were to go through my preferred route my version of equalizing
06:26:41Brian Atlasit is no one has to be drafted if that's not an option sure everyone it's not possible though to get rid of the draft but why is that not possible it's okay so there's just certain national
06:26:52Brian Atlassecurity reasons why that could it would never be possible and I would argue even if even if we did get rid of the draft in a scenario where a draft was necessary
06:27:04Brian AtlasI would suspect that Congress would just pass a law or there would be martial law which would just force men into the military anyways yeah so even if we
06:27:15Brian Atlaspolitically got rid of it some future Congress would just get reverse reverse it yeah or there would be martial law and they'd be like under martial law
06:27:25Brian Atlasthey can suspend some of your rights and they just force men into the military anyways or women too but mostly the men
06:27:35Brian Atlasyeah so it's just there's there's not a scenario like and somebody could probably speak better on this but there's just certain like realities when it comes to Warfare
06:27:47Brian Atlaswho knows there could be a [ __ ] alien conflict bro we're getting [ __ ] drafted if the aliens come the zombies come bro I'm out there you're going to be out
06:27:58Brian Atlasthere in the streets doing some Walking Dead [ __ ] [ __ ] Katana sorry I spit there a little bit [ __ ] Katana you know show me your Katana
06:28:08Brian Atlasslice do it oh no no okay okay I'll say that there's no country that's peaceful enough to not have a draft at all also when it yeah when it comes to that I'd
06:28:19Brian Atlasargue we're we're [ __ ] closer to some like global Military conflict than I think at any point in the past 30 years Ukraine
06:28:32Brian Atlaswhat's going on in Ukraine what's going on in the m least the [ __ ] there's economic um there there's uh like various civil uprisings in various
06:28:41Brian Atlascountries there's [ __ ] inflation like [ __ ] is a little chaotic right now shit's a little chaotic right now I'll give you one example with Ukraine for example um I don't believe that feminism
06:28:52Brian Atlascan actually exist when there's a military conflict so in Ukraine uh all the men had to stay in the country I believe it was from the ages of 18 to 60 if you're a man you
06:29:04Brian Atlascould not leave the country the women could just dip and I've pulled up this image we're not going to pull it up but it's it's this really interesting comparison when it comes to like I often
06:29:14Brian Atlashear these terms male privilege blah blah blah so you have screenshots of women Ukrainian women who are on dating apps because they were able to flee and go to Stockholm and the UK and Paris
06:29:26Brian Atlaswherever they went and they they were just partying it up living their life on dating apps getting [ __ ] and then the Ukrainian men who had no choice for that bro
06:29:38Brian Atlasthere's V there the comparison photo is them like dead dead bodies it's like such a
06:29:52Brian Atlascontrast so there's also no male privilege does anyone want to bite on that yeah there is no male privilege no male
06:30:02TTS Donation Readerprivilege with the comes which is which would be that let's go Brandon donated $100 in honor of trans day what is
06:30:13Brian Atlasstopping a man to identify as a woman to dodge the draft please ask the use any pronoun you want actually hold on there is something on this so first off I want
06:30:23Brian Atlasto do a cheers to e uh Easter Easter he is risen Nick if you can actually pull up the uh social uh oh my God I'm blanking sorry the Selective
06:30:34Brian AtlasService System website just it's like SS just you can Google it um actually it's
06:30:41Brian AtlasBX so you can't get out of it by uh transitioning um so Nick can you scroll up a little bit or make it bigger my