She Says ALL Men Are UGLY?! GIGACHAD VlRGlN RETURNS! TayTay! College Feminists?! | Dating Talk #148

Date: 2024-04-01

Duration: 7h 32m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSonia (DT148)>

SSophia (DT148)>

AAlexa (DT148)>

TTaylor (DT149)>

MMason Gregoire >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_02Jory(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Alexa(guest)

SPEAKER_05Sonia(guest)

SPEAKER_06Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Taylor (TayTay)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Ahe(guest)

SPEAKER_09Kiki(guest)

SPEAKER_10Maya(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions round. 8 guests introduce themselves in order. Panel includes returning guests Mason Gregoire (GIGACHAD VIRGIN) and Taylor (TayTay). New guests are all young women, many UCSB college students. Sophia reveals she has never been in an official relationship.

“"all right we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location"”

QuoteSophia reveals she has never been in an official relationship, describing herself as "single for 20 years." Has only had casual talking stages.

“"I actually haven't dated before like in a like official relationship so I've been single for 20 years"”

QuoteTTS donation triggers extended transgender identity debate: "if someone is born with male chromosomes Brian and a female reproductive system are they a man or a woman if they can choose why not everyone else."

“"if someone is born with male chromosomes Brian and a female reproductive system are they a man or a woman"”

QuoteJory (22yo UCSB) states she finds 0% of men physically attractive — "honestly none." Identifies as pansexual; finds women far more visually appealing than men. This is referenced in the episode title ("She Says ALL Men Are UGLY").

“"attractive starting with you honestly none"”

QuoteBrian gives honest answer on AIS/transgender question: "I don't know." Admits uncertainty on edge cases while maintaining binary sex position for the general population.

“"I don't I don't know that's my answer I don't know"”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Ahe self-rates 7-8.5 ("not in final form, like Frieza"). Kiki rates self 4. Brian rates self 5 ("solid five"). Viewer (okydoi) rates panel left to right by clothing: leather jacket 5, denim jacket 6, black shirt 4, christmas sweater tomboy 4.5, fluffy jacket 4, ginger hair 7, black crop top 4.

“"ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10"”

QuoteBrian declares himself a "Natural Body Supremacist" — strongly prefers women with no plastic surgery, no implants, no BBL, no lip filler, no labiaplasty. Would take flat chest over implants; small natural lips over filler.

“"I'm a natural body supremacist"”

QuoteMason Gregoire (GIGACHAD VIRGIN RETURNS) confirms he is a virgin waiting for marriage. Episode title reference. Brian serves as informal gatekeeper/approver for Mason's future partner.

“"I'm a virgin um I'm not necessarily looking for a vir Brian's against this"”

QuoteTaylor reveals she has a full Harley Quinn tattoo sleeve plus a face tattoo (not visible under makeup). Pushes back when Mason calls heavily tattooed women "trashy."

“"I even have a face tattoo you just can't see it I'm like all tatted everywhere"”

QuoteSonia reveals her best friend died by suicide and she found the body. Many of her tattoos were shared designs with this friend (sentimental memorial tattoos). Sonia also mentions this is her Sonia's rose tattoo.

“"more than half of my tattoos my best friend also had and like I mentioned earlier in the show she unived her s and I found her body"”

QuoteSonia states the hot take that women should not have the right to vote, arguing it pulls them away from their natural role as nurturers/caregivers, contributing to nuclear family breakdown.

“"I don't think women should be able to vote hot take"”

ControversySonia's women's voting hot take triggers extended panel debate on patriarchy, military conscription, and gender equality. Brian counters that women gained voting rights without corresponding military draft obligation. Mason points out all men must register for Selective Service at 18; women are exempt. Discussion of Ukraine men unable to leave country vs. women who fled. Brian concludes: military conscription inequality invalidates most feminist oppression arguments.

“"I don't think women should be able to vote hot take wow with context of course"”

OtherEnd of show wrap-up. Sonia doubles down on anti-women-voting position after full show of debate. Brian notes three no-shows at episode start; producer Nick recruited guests from Isla Vista. Twitch raid to WoW Grandma 78. Show ran until approximately 1 AM.

“"all right guys we're going to wrap up there"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status

Panel of 8 guests introduce themselves. Notable: Mason Gregoire returning co-host (virgin, going into Air Force); Taylor "TayTay" returning (men's mental health advocate). New guests: Jory (22, UCSB psych), Ahe (21, valley, jr college), Sonia (23, Bay Area, engineering), Sophia (20, UCSB econ, never dated officially), Maya (21, UCSB public policy, married), Alexa (35, Venezuelan-American, married 8 years, farmer). Relationship status round covers: single histories, first relationships, celibacy periods. Sophia reveals she has never had an official relationship (single 20 years). Brian discusses Nala returning to Christ (real or fake discussion).

Dating app profile review

Brian and panel review two female guests' Hinge profiles on screen. Discussion of dating app culture, group swiping with roommates, profile quality, and whether apps attract serious or entertainment-seeking users. Sophia describes using Hinge as a group activity with roommates (AirPlaying profiles on TV). Panel debates whether this is disrespectful to men using apps in good faith. Sophia had 4 meetups from apps; none progressed. Ahe describes going to thrifting as a first date activity.

Transgender identity and gender debate

TTS donor asks: if someone has male chromosomes but female reproductive system, what gender are they? Extended discussion on gender vs. sex, intersex conditions, Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS), pronoun preferences, puberty blockers, and trans identity as mental illness vs. valid identity. Jory: any pronouns acceptable; gender is self-expression. Mason: calls trans identity a mental illness; wants compassionate treatment but no affirmation of delusion. Alexa: respects individual choices but won't affirm gender delusion. Brian: gave honest "I don't know" on AIS scenario; acknowledges complexity. Sonia: argues AIS and intersex aren't the same thing. Discussion of puberty blockers, detransitioners, conversion therapy. Pronoun round: Jory (any/all); Sonia, Sophia, Maya, Alexa, Taylor, Ahe (she/her); Brian (he/him).

"What percentage of men do you find attractive?"

Brian asks each guest what % of men they find physically attractive. Jory: 0% ("honestly none") — finds women far more visually appealing; identifies as pansexual. Ahe: 30-40% in person; lower on apps. Sonia: 50% in Bay Area (in person and apps). Sophia: ~1% on dating apps; ~20% at UCSB in person. Maya: ~25-30% in person; ~15-20% on apps. Taylor: ~45-50% in person; ~20-15% on apps. Mason: ~5% (very selective). Brian: ~50% of women walking around. Alexa: ~30-35% before marriage. Discussion of why women find apps unappealing vs. in-person. Brian attempts to show Mason off as attractive to Jory — she is unimpressed.

Trans women in women's sports

Discussion of whether trans women should compete in women's sports. Nearly all guests opposed. Maya: plays lacrosse at UCSB; says women fought hard for their sports space. Alexa: trans athletes should have their own division. Mason: men and women are not equal biologically; separate categories exist for good reason. Jory: doesn't care about sports but objects to exclusion in principle. Brian: most men's sports are technically open to women; asks if eliminating women's sports would be objectionable if open sports remained.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Stiffler (viewer) asks panel to rate own looks 1-10. Ahe: 7 (said "eight and a half, not in final form yet"). Kiki: 4 (per SPEAKER_09 segment at 11341). Others in rapid sequence (diarization partially merged): seven and a half/eight, seven, nine, five, eight mentioned. Brian: 5 ("solid five, you know"). Mason: self-rated 8 (per chunk 2 reference). Chat viewer (okydoi) rates panel left-to-right from clothing descriptions: leather jacket 5, denim jacket 6, black shirt 4, christmas sweater tomboy 4.5, fluffy jacket 4, ginger hair 7, black crop top 4. Jory objects: "the way we look is the least interesting thing about all of us."

What percentage of men are physically attractive (extended)

Return to the attractiveness percentage question after gender debate detour. Jory reconfirms: one in a million. Brian tries to find a male celebrity she'd call attractive — fails. Mason expresses attraction to ~5% of women. Full panel goes around again for percentages; Sophia: ~1% on hinge, ~20% UCSB in person. Maya: ~25-30% in person / 15-20% apps. Taylor: ~45-50% in person / 20-15% apps. Brian: ~50% of women. Discussion of geography and dating pool quality (Bay Area vs. UCSB vs. national).

Guest ideal partner types round

Going around table: what is everyone's type? Brian shares his full list (see "Brian's ideal type" topic). Jory: attentive, creative, passionate, no specific physical preferences, maybe long hair. Ahe: Black or Hispanic preferred; masculine, disciplined, goal-driven; not fashion-forward. Sonia: athletic/slim-muscular build; good hygiene; slightly shy but decisive; masculine. Sophia: artsy/confident; hygienic; mostly white guys by circumstance; surfer aesthetic; not specifically frat boys (had that phase); similar ambition level. Maya: white or East Asian; athletic; loyal, empathetic, Christian, emotionally aware. Taylor: god-fearing, ambitious, gym-goer, funny, family-oriented; Black or Mexican preferred; colored eyes, tattoos, nice teeth. Mason: God-fearing first; submissive/teachable; fit; natural body supremacist; chaotic energy / unpredictable personality (Jennifer Lawrence / Emilia Clarke type). Prefers virgin but not required. Gatekeeper role: Brian must approve his future partner.

Brian's ideal type / partner preferences list

Brian reads his full "ideal partner" list: slight preference for Asian or white women; short (4'9"-5'2" ideal); natural body supremacist (no implants, BBL, lip filler, labiaplasty, fake nails, heavy makeup); prefers natural body over surgically enhanced equivalent in all cases; no perfume; introverted/quiet/modest; submissive; low/zero body count; no bars/clubs; doesn't drink or do drugs; has praise kink; attentive/supportive of his mission. Showed video of woman doing deep bow; wants this as greeting from partner. Guests debate the bow: Ahe declines; Sonia says she'd do it if asked; Maya does curtsy demo; Brian accepts curtsy as alternative. Brian: "I'd prefer the bow but I will begrudgingly accept a curtsy."

Tattoos, piercings, and natural body discussion

Discussion of how tattoos and piercings fit into the Natural Body Supremacy framework. Brian: prefers no tattoos; small heart tattoo not a dealbreaker; scale matters. Tattoos may correlate with trauma, family issues, personality disorders — not always. Mason: tattoos may signal trashiness or financial irresponsibility; still not an absolute rule. Taylor: has full sleeve + face tattoo; pushes back on trashiness label. Sonia: has multiple tattoos, many shared with deceased best friend (sentimental). Alexa: has Harley Quinn sleeve. Discussion of why women find tattoos on men attractive (signal of danger/masculinity/aggression). Piercings: Brian less opposed than tattoos; not a fan of septum piercings. Sophia discusses nipple piercings casually; says many girls with small chests get them. Brian: tattoos/piercings done for women, not men; makeup/plastic surgery more done for men.

World of Warcraft / gaming tangent

Mid-show WoW Classic discussion triggered by a Twitch raid. Sophia is a WoW Classic player (Alliance warlock); debate over gnome vs. human warlock racials. Panel discusses gnome INT buff vs. human reputation gain. Brian offers $1,000 to any panelist who can say where Atiesh teleports — no one gets it. Ahe prefers Call of Duty and Mortal Kombat. Brian: would you date a guy with a level 60 gnome warlock with Atiesh? Discussion of whether gaming = unattractive.

Patriarchy debate

Jory argues patriarchy is real; examples: car crash test dummies designed for male bodies, medical research historically done on male subjects. Brian challenges both examples as not strong evidence of systematic oppression. Jory defines patriarchy as men being the default blueprint in society. Sonia: US is not a true patriarchy; compares to Afghanistan where women can't drive/go to school. Mason: argues lack of strong male leadership is root of societal gender confusion. Brian: the examples given are niche; military conscription is one counterexample that invalidates most feminist oppression arguments. Closing: Brian argues all feminist collective grievances fall flat against military conscription.

Women's voting rights / military conscription debate

Sonia hot take: women should not have the right to vote. Reasoning: women are biologically nurturers; suffrage pulled women from family role, contributing to nuclear family breakdown. Brian: supports women voting but notes inequality — men received voting rights tied to Selective Service / military conscription obligation; women got voting rights without that duty. Mason: all men registered for draft at 18; women exempt; this is an inequality. Discussion: if women want equality, should they be subject to military conscription? Jory: no one should be drafted (ideally). Brian: draft will never be abolished politically; practically it remains. Reference to Ukraine: men 18-60 unable to leave country; women able to flee and live normally. Discussion of military physical standards differences between men and women. Extended debate on whether feminism is compatible with selective military exemption.

Closing and end of show

Brian wraps up. Final hot take: are men or women more oppressed? Mixed answers. Brian: all feminist oppression arguments invalidated by military conscription. Sonia doubles down on anti-women-voting position. Super chat read by Mason. Would you date someone who legally owns a firearm? Near-unanimous yes. Twitch raid to WoW Grandma 78 (300 viewers, playing World of Warcraft). Three no-shows at start of episode; producer Nick went into Isla Vista to recruit last-minute guests. Show ran until approximately 1 AM.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasbad uh I'm just really curious on this really quick uh can you go to uh registration and just don't click it just see the drop down

Brian Atlasother one oh click it I guess uh scroll down who needs to register benefits also we could do benefits and penalties do this one yeah

Brian Atlasyeah uh I'll on the there I I remember disabled scroll down scroll down scroll down transgender people okay this F just click on that one yeah they have a uh

Brian Atlasthey've been asked this question a few times click it oh scroll down it's probably it's it's like a jump yeah it's a weird jump thing scroll down go all the way to the bottom scroll down there

Brian Atlasit is yeah there go make it uh who are assigned male at Birth and change their gender to female are still required to register individuals who are assigned female at Birth and change

Brian Atlastheir gender to male are not required to register damn so even if even if you there's not a loophole there you can't

Mason Gregoiredo it so it's maybe working for prisons but so when push comes to shove biology everyone recognizes it it doesn't matter what people in the government say they

Sophiarecognize biology it doesn't matter I think it's just like they're trying to get rid of a loophole like I think that is like the major thing wa they're trying to get what of rid of a loophole cuz it's like who like if you don't want

Sophiato be drafted what's stopping you from identifying as a woman besides how other perceive others perceive you but if you really don't want to be drafted like I feel like a lot of men would do that so they're trying to prevent that cuz they

Sophiacan see that happening I don't know if it really means that they agree you know with any Viewpoint necessarily but I think that's what it is it is interesting though that that is the

Mason Gregoirefederal government's position on that they would still force a a female who got the transition to go or not a female sorry a male who transitioned as to a

Mason Gregoirefemale they would force no a male who transitioned to female they would force him to go to war regardless of his feelings clearly because the government

Mason Gregoiredoesn't care wait is the government transphobic when push comes to shove I thought that was a woman the government does not care for me this is kind of relates to the whole Sports topic too

Mason Gregoirewhat the [ __ ] Joe Biden that's what I'm saying bro Joe it relates to the sports it's just like there could be a loophole there and politicians will say whatever they want they they have to say to

Mason Gregoireappease the public so they can get reelected so they can make people say oh they are so holy like they are so good they they they care for my feelings there's no good politician I do have one

Brian Atlasquestion really quick on the war thing um starting with you uh who would you say are the are men hold on let me do we'll do split are men or women the

Joryprimary victims of war I feel like it depends on the angle you look at it because certainly more men are in the battles but as it when it comes to civilians who are well it's

Joryjust different kinds of violence are faced by each group it's not really that one is worse than the other it's just very different I well so what if you agree because if you're talking about men

Sophiagoing to war they're going to be the primary victims but you're talking about civilian casualties women are very likely almost guaranteed to be raped if they're going to be killed by soldiers

Brian Atlasnot American yeah don't use oh I'm sorry um I don't think it's a guarantee that it happens

Brian Atlashistorically well it's not a one it's terrible one it's terrible and two yes it absolutely happens does it happen to every woman no and I think in more

Brian Atlasmodern conflicts it's far less likely because at least amongst like more more uh developed Nations there's there's um

Brian Atlasprotocols when it comes to um yeah war crimes war crimes gen of Convention of convention it still happen it absolutely probably still happens but you what's

Brian Atlasthat thank you so much that's fine that's fine we uh Gustav if you take her seat we we will try to wrap up here pretty soon I do appreciate you coming and being able to stay a little bit longer thank you gustava is GNA take her seat we're going to try to wrap up I

Brian Atlaspromise guys we're going to try to wrap up here very very soon um but so you're saying okay so I I 100% agree like when it comes to Warfare that there is a

Brian Atlasincreased certainly an increased risk a disproportionality when it comes to sa I go too for oh you got de yeah no that's fine that's fine that's fine I'm see you on the second it's we'll see you we'll

Brian Atlassee you next uh guys Tuesday we got Tay Tay and then we got we got some big stuff coming we got some big stuff coming um gustava just take her seat and guys we we are going to wrap up here

Brian Atlasvery soon um uh what was I saying uh oh yeah but okay let's say for example like World

Brian AtlasWar II let's let's look at World War II right uh so okay World War II if I concede that say there were a million uh

Brian Atlasessays during World War II I don't know what the actual number is um is that and is that a bigger uh all the grievance negative

Sophiaoutcome I mean I I don't think you can really compare you know I think it's just such like a terrible well no let's actually play a game of comparison so let's say that there were 20 million

Brian Atlaslet's say the the male military deaths were exclusively male and there were 20 million of them but there were hundred or excuse me 1 million uh women who were

Mayasa mhm sa is a terrible thing which is worse well I feel like you could also argue that like having to live with that

Mayatrauma after that happen to you and then even potentially losing male members like of your family or even maybe like your husband or something like that position could be that's true wor having

Sophiato like kind of pick up the scraps of just what the countryes left to especially during World War II when so many people so many men died and and women had to join the well especially World War I I would say let me so I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to I'll just State the question again and how about we start we'll do different conflicts let's start with World War I right uh I believe there were 20

Brian Atlasmillion military casualties uh maybe I I not precise in my numbers World War II there were more military casualties more civilian

Brian Atlascasualties both Wars absolutely catastrophic uh going around the table were men or women the primary

Joryvictims of World War I in World War I maybe the men because women's rights

Brian Atlaswere actually advancing at the time I don't totally understand who a men men I would say men men okay how

Brian Atlasabout World War II so are were men or women the primary victims of World War II are we counting

Brian Atlashold on we we're just starting here and it could be it could the um some of like the Japanese camps like I think that was also another Prim okay

Brian Atlasare men are women the P were men or women the primary victims of World War II go ahead I feel like that one might be more

Aheof an equal split equal split yeah okay so okay I'll say men and I'll like elaborate on that a little bit I mean as far as like

Aheviolence and stuff it's it's got to be the men and even how you just mentioned like Japanese camps and stuff uh in the Philippines my grandma grew up she uh during World War II and stuff and her

Ahefather was literally beheaded like right it's just like that kind of stuff that happens men still say men men because

Brian Atlasbut because you saying something about the camps in Japan or something that was me I had yeah I was just adding on that and honestly more to men's suffering

Sophiajust cuz they got captured or just you know the men that were in those camps I think that was its own kind of torture too they were literally tortured yeah no

Brian AtlasLally tortur no 100% I'm just saying compared to sa say I think certainly bad things happened to uh women civilians during war yeah that's not what terrible

Mason Gregoirefor everybody 100% yeah sorry war is terrible for everybody involved but like when if you have to play the comparison

Mason Gregoiregame yeah men are overwhelmingly the primary uh uh way less survival rate well it's like they they suffer the

Brian Atlaslargest amount of consequences for war so what was the point of that question well I don't know we were talking about patri we were talking about patriarchy we're talking about

Brian Atlaspatriarchy and then the draft like male male privilege this this uh uh misogynist said that she's against women

Brian Atlasvoting What A rad freaking radical over here and then U I just wish it didn't happen you wish okay that that I wouldn't I think I'm I'm I think uh home

Brian AtlasI think women should vote would you feel differently if we were drafted also not trying to get cancelled if we were wait but okay hold on let's let's do a few more conflicts here here

JoryVietnam are men or women the primary victims of Vietnam the Vietnam War I don't know that much about the Vietnam War I do know a lot of civilians

Jorysuffered during that as well and I do know at that time the draft was only men and a lot of men died and a lot of people who come back from that war say

Jorythat it felt like it was all for nothing that's true that's true so it's maybe men okay let's do something more more recent here last

Brian Atlasone why am I the only one answered okay unless you guys want to do the Vietnam one we can I just yeah okay last one the Ukraine war are men or women the primary victims

Joryof the Ukraine war that feels like it um it's a bit more equal because there everyone's who

Joryis a civilian is being equally shot at all right erous erroneous I mean if you're talking about the people who are still actively

Brian Atlasthere hold on okay but but so let's let's just assume that that you're right that there's equality when it comes

Brian Atlasequality between um there's an equal amount of casual civilian casualties between men and women in the Ukraine conflict let's assume that I actually don't think

Brian Atlasthat's the case I would suspect that actually male civilians are much more likely to be dispatched uh as compared to the women I

Brian Atlasalready told you that the women were allowed to leave if you were a woman you could leave the country all the men regard civilian military you had to stay

Brian Atlasa lot of male civilians in Ukraine have been drafted into the war um but if I give you that the civilian deaths are equal between men and women in the UK

Brian AtlasUkraine conflict but all the military deaths or even let's say 95% of the military deaths are men and 5% of the military deaths are

Brian Atlaswomen is it still equal

Joryno checkm I mean it's not really like people can change their mind I'm

Brian Atlasnot like it's not a matter of who gets like his most right or whatever well cuz when I asked the question you said it's

Joryequal I don't know that much about these wars oh it's hard to make these judgment calls with very limited information sure

Kikium okay interesting did you guys answer on the Ukraine one no no i' say probably the men again men definitely sure men men

Brian Atlasyeah now do you doubt the claim that I made about women being allowed to leave the country I don't doubt it okay yeah they were able to leave the country men

Brian Atlascould had to stay many of them got drafted into the military um so fism fism

Ahefism fism War always effing sucks okay like regardless literally so should we draft women I think that's what that stems from I don't know we're talking about

Brian Atlasthe patri okay last few questions on the patriarch um under the patriarchy are women oppressed going around the

Jorytable I think there are some things that aren't great I don't really okay know if there's anything exactly under the law

Brian Atlasthat presses us sure wait last thing on the military thing cuz I didn't really give an actual Counterpoint um I'll just say this for every single military conflict that

Brian Atlasthere's ever been throughout all of human history men have been and will be the primary victims of war in every

Brian Atlasinstance there's no military conflict that's ever occurred where women have ever been the primary victims of

Brian Atlaswar it's unfortunate but true wait you it's you'd prefer for you want no I'm saying anyone dying yes War yes war is

Brian Atlasbad do you disagree I don't know enough about historical conflicts to say otherwise but I'm not going to necessarily say I agree either but okay earlier when we were talking about the patriarchy and

Brian Atlasyou were talking about well here's the evidence of the patriarchy and the world is made for the benefit of men I've provided you major military uh conflicts

Brian Atlasin the uh 20th century wait let me just make sure 20th centur yeah I almost [ __ ] that up uh World War I World War II the most brutal Wars that ever

Brian Atlasexisted um where tens of millions of men were killed died bad things happened to women too but not to the extent that men were

Brian Atlasnegatively impacted when we're talking about and we're talking about patriarchy here you mentioned something about well

Jorycrash test dummy's gender and uh medical testing mention earlier that those were just surface level

Brian Atlasissues right but like I'm I'm seeking like okay what's the what would be like a significant grievance right and it's like well if the world is made for the

Jorybenefit of men is it though well patriarchy can also harm men that patriarchy is part of why the draft is only men you well so

Brian Atlasyou you think if if societies were in terms of leadership positions if they were occupied by women there would be less Warfare I don't know if that's exactly how that would happen I feel like it

Brian Atlasdepends on the individual themsel not whether or not they're a boy or a girl well if I told you that there was a study of monarchs and they compared Queens to Kings and they actually found

Brian Atlasthey did the study they actually found that queens were more uh more war hungry than kings were and queens were much more likely to wage war than their male

Sophiacounterparts I think that could be more for the reason that women felt that they had to establish themselves and that they were already well hold on the mon the Monarch monarchs yes you mean the

Brian Atlasthe the authority the top authority okay yes yes listen because they have to prove themselves yes because you mean the queen no no no queen or King has to

Sophiaprove themselves they do they have ultimate Authority his head they have ultimate Authority but they have advisors and they have people that can rebel against who's the French who's the

Brian AtlasFrench King who said L Sima probably one of the Louis Henry the I think it was one of the Lou L the I am the state oh that's Louis the 16th the state is ME L

Brian AtlasSim um uh look and monarchs had substantial power yeah but I'm going to say that

Mayausually monarchs were men wait so you're saying the Queens wanted to like impress The Lads impress the bo they had to be more for the boys to be taken seriously

SophiaI think by the general population also like of their yeah because because because yes a monarch has all the power but

Mason Gregoirereally they didn't need to be taken seriously as a they have to themselves so there's not a rebellion in an age where the most important thing to every

Mason Gregoiresingle person in the country was am I going to be able to feed my family they could care less they sorry they could not care less what the position of the

Sophiafemale Monarch was okay you're how about the advisers the Nobles the Nobles that had all the money and influence they would care well they see a weak Monarch

Sophiaand they're going to go somehow against that Monarch so with neighboring kingdoms they would see a potentially weak 100% I think it's definitely more comp male or

Mason Gregoirefemale I it's usually it's generally the case that female leadership does not understand the innate drive for protection that men find

Sophianatural I that's just it's it's a natural feeling that men have women if women are so caring and maternal how can they not understand the protection if they know how if they have this innate

Mason Gregoiredrive to protect their kids how can they not understand the protection of people well it's it's the inate drive to nurture their children it's it's the father's innate drive to protect his

Mason Gregoirefamily like if if there is a armed shooter in your house the man's the one who's going to go stop the conflict he's the one who's like I am obligated to protect my

Sophiafamily but if a if the shooter were to turn to the kid the mom would definitely step in front I I think it just happens to not her initial reaction it's usually because she probably thinks you know but

Sophiait's because she thinks that she can't help as much the man thinks that I'm the strongest one so I'm obligated I think that that is what a man would think well it when it comes to

Mason Gregoireleadership positions it that that's why women tend to be more aggressive and not okay I can't say that's exactly why I I'm just theorizing right now I am too

Mason Gregoireso so I'm my theory is that women will tend to bash all other uh opposing forces because they are they feel a

Mason Gregoiresense of like unable to protect themselves so they are more likely to confront other people that are going to be against their position and so I guess my argument would be is they feel that

Sophiathey are unable to um protect themselves because they feel that they have something to prove and they feel like already at a disadvantage and like they're not being taken seriously which

SophiaI think especially maybe right now you know a a woman as president would I think she would be as power hungry and if she was maybe that would disprove my theory but I think right now there

Sophiawouldn't be as much of a need but in the time when women weren't allowed to vote when they were not given what time was that during when there was monarchs I'm not talking about the current monarchs

Brian Atlasbecause what if I told you during that period where there's monarchs in most of Europe actually men didn't have the right to vote no one Ved either Nobles noble men though what they own

Sophiaproperty okay they didn't vote so like 0.001% of men yeah but had the right to vote so 99% of men men were the property

Sophiaowners men were the ones that had like I mean okay but that's not a gender thing that's a power thing yeah yeah but okay well you agree with me that men

Brian Atlasat that time had more power and more say than women with owning property with rights yeah they were their decisions the leaders sure yes okay yeah that's fine I

Brian Atlasdon't I don't I I agree to that well hold on actually I do have to provide a bit of push back because this is an apex fallacy here so I would argue that uh you know

Brian Atlasfor this this patriarchy really only benefits men at the top your average man which is the vast majority of men uh or below average men

Brian AtlasI would argue struggle more than their female counterparts yeah with what a great many things with what life life many things like what it's not clear to

Brian Atlasme if if you compare the average man to the average woman that he is substant substantially advantaged over her simply by virtue of his gender in fact we can

Brian Atlaswe can do sort of the almost the reverse of the Apex fallacy which is looking at the what feminists tend to do is they look at well men have the best most

Brian AtlasOptimum positions but you also fail to look at the the counterside to that which is while men do I will admit there is a

Brian Atlasuh greater proportion of men who occupy the most quote unquote desirable positions in society or they have the most power in society uh which is again very small proportion of men a much

Brian Atlaslarger proportion of men as compared to women occupy the absolute worst positions in society and you don't hear much about equality on that front for example the fact that 80% of homeless

Brian Atlasare men if you walk down the street actually if you look out that window right there and if you look outside there's a homeless man in the rain well it's he's covered he's under a awning

Brian Atlasbut it's a homeless man you walk past a homeless person typically tends to be a man uh there's there's a whole bunch of other things for for example

Sophiaincarceration men are much more uh and I mean crime is a different discussion but I think I think you're you're confusing correlation with causation because I

Sophiathink that yes those me I don't I honestly don't know if that's all completely true I haven't done my own research on on men being worse off than women and in

Brian Atlaseverything wait so are you saying that well when men occupy positions of power that's some privilege that is just bestowed upon them and there's no Merit

Brian Atlasto their achievement but when there's a negative uh some sort of negative life scenario for a man well that has nothing to do with his gender but when he when there's a benefit 100% has to do with

Sophiahis gender when there's a negative absolutely no correlation say okay so first of all I didn't say anything about PE or menant about okay hold on let's go back make your point okay so I didn't

Sophiasay that had nothing to do with gender I just was going to say that it is for different reasons than you might say like for example men being worse off could be more to due to mental health

Sophiaand their um unwillingness to go get help for especially for homelessness which is usually a lot of mental illness I think

Sophiawomen are going to be more inclined to get to go to therapy just because of stigma you think therapy is what's preventing men from not being homeless is that that's the solution to

Brian Atlashomelessness solution I'm just saying that you know I don't think even one there's I don't think there's there I think mental illness is a huge thing that therapy fixes that I think it can I

Brian Atlasthink therapy is really good but helps you think think mental illness that is substantial enough to result in a man

Sophiabeing homeless is going to be resolved by by therapy no what I'm saying is that people with mental illnesses before they get to the point of homelessness should seek help because they can't manage

Brian Atlastheir life on their own which causes them to be homeless that's usually very severe mental illness as it relates to to homelessness but okay okay there's also

Sophiadrug use I think there's a drug and also relates to to mental illness too people I mean I would say that I've met a lot of so sorry go ahead no no no

Sophiago ahead go ahead so what I'm saying is you can't equate it all to men somehow being at a disadvantage in

Brian Atlassociety but hold on so of all the positive life outcomes that allegedly uh disproportionately men are the beneficiaries of well that's evidence of

Brian Atlassexism against women and the patriarchy but when there's negative life circumstances or outcomes for men well hold on no that's that's men's fault there's no discrimination towards men

Sophiathere's nothing you know is that that's your argument okay how are you okay let let's go let's backtrack back because how because I think you're kind of

Sophianitpicking my argument a bit and then kind of making assumptions um how do you think that men are disadvantaged in our society to end up homeless what do you think causes that sure I mean there's a

Brian Atlaswhole bunch of reason the homelessness thing is very complicated uh there's a whole bunch of reasons how someone can end up homeless I would argue for example though is women when it comes to

Brian Atlasuh shelters women are much more likely to end up getting sheltered when it comes to uh homeless people who are like cuz there's different categorizations of homelessness when you see um homeless people who are I think the term is

Brian Atlasliving rough so that's like when you see them on the street they're sleeping outside that's living rough right that's even of the people that are homeless that's even great that's a greater

Brian Atlasproportion of men so you're asking me what what are the uh reasons precipitation yeah homelessness more likely impacting

Mason Gregoiremen yeah because you're equating it to being caused by their gender like their gender is causing them to be more there are simply more social

Mason Gregoiresafety nets afforded to women than there are men like our society just generally likes women more than they like men like only women in children are loved

Mason Gregoireunconditionally men have to earn it like men are are not loved by Society unless they provide certain kind of value generally in our society women are

Mason Gregoirepraised loved adored regardless of what they produce or provide so in in the case of homelessness like if a man can't provide

Mason Gregoirewell sucks to be that guy he should just work or work on himself but if a woman can't woman can't provide for herself how can we help her to make sure that she stays off the streets that's generally the attitude people will have

Sophiathat's the attitude that our systems have I'd say there's definitely an attitude like that when women have kids I think that's when women are caretakers I think that is definitely the attitude but as far as homelessness goes

SophiaI mean I just think that's like the public you know it's like there's a public um education that is afforded to men and women okay so that that is where

Sophiaeveryone starts off so so how does one go from being having access to to education to being

Brian Atlashomeless that include higher education it could it could well I mean then we have to also look at the fact that for example more women go to college there

Brian Atlasare more scholarships available for women and women get more I think it's like 6040 so I mean the discrepancy but that's obviously but is that evidence of sexism because when it was that way in

Brian Atlasthe past when there were more men going to college than women that was assumed to just be some some sexism it was you talk to any woman that grew up in that time what time the time when they

Sophiaweren't like when it was hard to go to college when the ratio was so off like I have talked to one of my great grandma's friends and so she was I think in

Sophiabiology and she had um gone to college and was looking for work and she was just talking about it it was really hard because men didn't take you seriously you like men didn't want you weren

Sophiaeither weren't allowed or weren't accepted in that in that sphere and so to say to compare that to now is just is just a very very weird and and doesn't

Mason Gregoiremake sense comparison you're we've eliminated that now well well actually we've we've gone so far in the opposite direction that we are like companies are now instituting

Mason Gregoirepolicies where like if you hire like 10 men you also have to hire 10 women so it's like it's not it's not are these women qualified it's hey we have to fix

Mason Gregoireour we have to fix our atrocities in the past to make up for those therefore we have to hire underqualified people to do a job that they're not ready for so and

Sophiaso I'm not saying I agree with that I'm saying that to say to say that the switch up and compare compare the circum

Sophiacircumstances now to the past it just it isn't the same because now women are I will agree are are in some cases being

Sophiagiven more opportunities than men in some cases not all and in the past it was it was just very severe I think now it's just like

Sophiayou have it's it's kind of almost like like I think a certain side is trying to make up for the lost time the women didn't spend in college which I I don't agree with I think it should be

Mason Gregoirecompletely equal now well I guess tying it all back to the original question how is that evidence of patriarchy currently well that wasn't in my

Mason Gregoireargument well yeah okay that's that's fair but like it I guess uh depending on how you Define patriarchy but how is that evidence of male privilege today okay yeah I guess that's if we're

Sophiatying it back into that subject so were you talking about male privilege or patriarchy uh some people canate those so okay I don't I think patriarchy exists I think it's just the way that we are organized with especially with

Sophianuclear families you know that's like a smaller um way of looking at it just the way our government set up I does it mean it's bad no I think a matriarchy is more

Sophiacommunity- based with the women kind of making the decisions as a group with equally and in in comparison patriarchy is usually like one leader maybe with like you know kind of more of a

Sophiapyramid um now with male privilege I'm sure there is male privilege and we could talk about the specifics of male privilege but I think it's it has to do

Sophiamostly just that the way that men see other men in comparison to women I think I think that is going to be the primary the primary

Sophiaaspect of male privilege there's probably other little subgroups but I think that when women talk about male privilege is when you're going into an atmosphere where you're supposed to be

Sophiaeducated you're supposed to have these qualifications and um the people that are judging you on those qualifications are men they are probably

Sophiagoing going to be more inclined to think that men have those qualifications and even even if they have the same qualifications the way that a man kind

Sophiaof presents himself maybe could factor into it too but um I think that men are more inclined to respect other men over women yeah and I thinkative faction

Brian Atlashurts that actually they've done studies on this and so your POS you're what you said was men are inclined to view men as as they're going to respect them more

Sophiaand and that could be that they think they're more qualified they think they're smarter they think they're more capable they think that they're a better leader mhm well so they did a study on this and I don't

Brian Atlasknow if it was within the context of the workplace it might have been more of a general thing so it might not really be related to work but what they found was is that actually so women have a very

Brian Atlasstrong fairly strong ingroup bias for other women and men have a slight outgroup bias for women what does it

Brian Atlasrelate to I'm not entirely sure cuz I think that really it could be more it could be more of a general social sense of it um I don't I'd have to look at the

Brian Atlasstudy to give you exactly what they were looking at but it does seem to to be that women have a decently strong in-group bias men have an outgroup bias

Mason Gregoirefor women like a favorable thing women like women men tend to like women no one likes men more than women pretty much um I don't know about

Sophiain the workplace I think I can see that maybe in a social setting I think especially women do have a bias towards other women just because I think I mean I don't know like I can yeah just it

Sophiafeels more safe there's just a little bit of a community and maybe it feels more safe it feels more safe isn't that a bit of a sexist statement to make no what are you trying to are are men unsafe is that yeah I feel unsafe I can

Sophiafeel unsafe around men I don't think that is you can feel that way but isn't it a bit of a sexist statement into no no not at all men go the biggest danger to me men men are the biggest danger to

Sophiayou not men in in a day-to-day sense in a day-to-day sense if there was a woman a stranger a woman walking criminals are a threat to you yes but it's not clear

Sophiaif men men because they possess the like ability to inap incapacitate me I think that is the reason that I would feel unsafe even if they wouldn't I have a

Brian Atlasquestion for you on that if we were to replace men with a racial group would it be racist to say what you just said oh my gosh I don't think it would be would

Brian Atlasit be racist just replace men with a racial group would that be a racist thing to

Mason Gregoiresay I'm scared of X racial group because statistically they're more violent and aggravated I think you're twisting my words I'm not tting no I'm

Sophianot tting words answer question hold on answer the question question is this race stronger than me like are do they have a history of abusing women like

Sophiait's just like there's just all these factors that I'm talking about that are related to men and not a race so it's kind of hard engage with the hypothetical yeah I'm trying to but it's so that same scenario can be devoid of

Brian Atlasany evidence let's just say you you changed men to a racial group would it be a racist statement to say say that X

Brian Atlasracial I'm scared of X racial group because they're bigger faster stronger I think that has been done in the past but I think what I what I'm talking sex so

Mayathen must it's sexist no but what I'm talking I don't to fear for your safety I think she's saying like right now like going outside walking down the street

Sophiayou more scared of a on the street regardless he's a criminal or not C area I don't think it's racist okay you know what this is here this is going to be my

Sophiamain point what's your main point the reason that it's scary to be around men in some you know like the reason that I would feel more unsafe around men is

Sophiabecause I don't know what they are capable of and and a man can never have been to jail but could have could and some not maybe not be classified as a

Brian Atlascriminal in the legal sense but he could still pose a risk to me because he can't be predicted okay so make that same exact state and replace it with a racial group does

Sophiathat statement become racist I don't know well it's I just I just think that like you're different thing as well I think it's different and I think it's like I don't think it's different I

TTS Donation Readerdon't think it's that right now Devon Jackson donated $100 a matriarchy would just look like a group of women deciding where to direct male bodies effort and suffering to

Brian Atlasachieve human Endeavors if we are being honest yo daon Jackson good to see you in the chat man thank you for your TTS appreciate it um you mentioned when you go out into into the street you feel

Brian Atlasunsafe I I'm saying no I was using that as an example to I'm moving on from the racial thing but you say when you go out into the street like you feel unsafe I was say because you're a woman

Sophiawhen you're around when you're around when you're around men you feel i' I'd say I feel less safe safe than if you're around woman women okay yes cuz around

Sophiawomen I there is a sense of community I don't I think maybe you just don't understand what I'm saying because you guys are men but like if I'm going out if I'm going to a bar we don't understand what you're saying because

Jorywe're men because you have that's a bit of a sexist little sexist right there I have it's not just sex you don't experien that we have guys experience because you guys are naturally

Sophiaprotective and we wouldn't know that I didn't say that to well okay what I'm is you guys don't have the experience and so you might not understand what experience the experience of walking outside of of constantly being raised to

Mason Gregoireto look out for yourself well actually actually actually yeah most most violent crime is perpetrated against men it's men on men so actually statistically men should be more scared of going outside

Sophiathan women men are more likely to be victims of violent crime like that one question Who Are You Afraid Of though yeah are you are you do you guys ever feel unsafe when you go outside

Sophiastatistically more than you are you feeling thre by men though or are you feeling thre by women is really the question yes I I have I mean

SophiaI'm not have you do you yes do you on a regular basis feel unsafe when you're like walking by yourself because cuz maybe okay maybe that's just you two but I just don't think that that is a common

Sophiaexperience with men I think also women are raised to fear for themselves and to be to not put themselves in iOS where they could be taken advantage of by Men At least maybe that's how I was raised

Sophiaby my parents but my parents have always like warned me that men cannot be trusted and you got you have to be careful men cannot be trusted that's a rather sexist thing for your mom to have

Brian Atlastaught you parents it's not like statistically like you hold on okay explain to me wait wait hold on let me just make my point explain to me how the

Brian Atlasfollowing statement is not sexist men are not to be trusted okay no no no no no answer the question what how is that not how is that not just men can't be okay like

Sophiaanyone can't be trusted but the point they're making is that men can't be trusted and they could use that against you let me ask you hold on let me ask you let me ask you question would be a different thing if I

Sophiacould if I were to say women can't be trusted is that a sexist statement I'm like I would just be like okay I don't know is it a sexist statement I don't think I think that's

Sophiathe opinion I think it's just like is the sexist opinion I don't I don't know women can not be okay you're trying to make me you're trying to like put me into a loophole or not a loophole not a

Sophialoophole I'm not yeah forget I said that you're trying to make me sound sexist by asking me these hypotheticals I'm I okay hold on

Mayabecause I don't think that there's like a reason why we need to like classify this as being sexist she's talking about like about a different that's the name of the game for

Brian Atlasfeminists I say I was a feminist like you're just she we talking about the patriarchy that's a feminist uh conspiracy theory yes conspiracy theory it's a feminist conspiracy theory yes if

Mason GregoireI'll be charitable it's a feminist thank you Kyle I Theory I'm not against guns actually so yeah I mean yeah I was about to say that thank goodness we have a

Mason GregoireSecond Amendment right to thaten cannen of by so easily but I think ignoring the fact that women do feel unsafe when they're walking outside

Mayalike at Night by themselves whatever I don't think that that's an issue that can be ignored and just be chocked up to be like oh but that's sexist okay and actually this is we completely derailed from my point I had just mentioned that

Brian Atlaswomen feel unsafe and that was why women kind of grouped together if I if I was just paranoid about I'm trying to think of an example here of to like a Counterpoint if I was just paranoid

Brian Atlasabout all women being gold diggers and this was like a concern of mine would that not be a sexist position no no that no to to all women are gold digg all you

Sophiawant from me is my money think sex resources I think it's just a stupid statement that's also not going to cause you physical harm okay you're you're saying okay because you're saying by

Sophiagrouping women all together okay I think you're saying that I think all men are bad that is not the statement I'm making I'm saying the statement I'm

Sophiamaking is a generalization that all men can be bad not that they are bad so you're saying all can all women be yes 100% but the point I'm also making is

TTS Donation Readerthat men have the ability physically okay donated $100 appr it when I walk to the grocery store I have keys between my finger if I need a weapon to punch a man

TTS Donation Readerin the face when I approach a woman in the bar I have to choose my words carefully to not get arrested can I that is so dramatic are you kidding me Nickelodeon your [ __ ] Legends what

Ahewords are you saying that's going to get you arrested what you got okay so remember when earlier we were talking about um like er jobs right police jobs and stuff girl women if it were to be three women trying to take down one man

Aheversus one man trying to take down another man we have to take stuff like that into consider ation okay yeah maybe it is a little bit sexist if girls are just like oh you know like we're afraid to walk on the street because of men why are you guys afraid to walk on the

Ahestreet because you feel like a a group of girls is going to come up and punch you in the face I mean look at what's going on in New York right now you have literally one punch man running around and punching girls like just cuz but

Mason Gregoirethat's the kind of stuff that we have to deal with you know that that sh really happens yeah but okay the so generally speaking well not even generally

Mason Gregoirespeaking if bystanders watch a woman being physically assaulted they will step in es men will step in and make sure it is stopped when the when the

Mason Gregoirereverse when the reverse is happening people just ignore it if a woman is beating on a man like they just ignore it like probably call police for

Mason Gregoiredomestic abuse actually that it's just not true though like experiments have been done social experiments have been done and women don't like maybe it's

Mason Gregoirejust and maybe that is a societal bi bias because towards women because because Society thinks that if the man really wanted to defend all back into the original topic yeah seriously this

Brian Atlasis like completely female privilege uh yeah okay final I we need to wrap up but um uh are under

Jorypatriarchy are women oppressed no I I feel like we've gotten way off topic from relationships majority of this podcast has not been about relationships weal hey we talked

Brian Atlasabout munches we talked about he made sure talked about we talked about gender roles I

TTS Donation Readerfeel like you're just asking a group of random people Devon Jackson donated $100 as a man who was raised to protect women even if I don't know them I can say more men than not would protect you

TTS Donation Readerthan hurt you not only am I concerned for myself when I go outside but women too it's a fair statement all right yeah that's

Brian Atlas100% also I will say when it comes to the threat of violence out in the street as women if some guy starts

Brian Atlasattacking you and there's other men around not always but you do sort of have like there probably will be a man

Brian Atlasor many men who will be prepared total stranger who will be prepared to White Knight and jump in and defend you I don't even I shouldn't say White Knight

Brian Atlasnecessarily but um they'll be prepared to go ahead and defend a total stranger beat the piss out of that man that that dude like if a dude like if you go to a

Brian Atlascollege party and a guy like were to hit a girl I think there's a pretty good chance that like total strangers who don't know the girl are going to swarm

Brian Atlason the dude bro there's a dude that guy gets [ __ ] lynched like [ __ ] up whereas like if a dude just walks up to a random dude and hits them there won't

Brian Atlasbe random men who aren't affiliated with that dude who will like jump in to try to defend that guy you're probably right they're just going to try to split them

Brian Atlasapart maybe maybe they're they're they might they're much more likely to try to break it up if it's a woman and then the dude's going to get a beat down so I mean you do have this there's too much

Brian Atlasof this like men are these criminals I also should say like men are going to be there to also protect you too we don't speak enough about like male heroism no

Mason GregoireI would say the majority of men like women benefit from the patriarchy cuz a majority of men are there to protect women there of course there are going to

Mason Gregoirebe men who abuse their strength and use it to hurt women and I will be there to make sure that does not happen but that is also the majority of men I think the majority of men would stand in

Sophiafront of a bullet quick double bicep really quick yeah can I have you on call or what I'm like hey I need

Brian Atlasanytime okay yeah but majority of men are there to protect women so like yeah if I if me or Mason like we get jumped by three

Brian Atlasdudes like there's not going to be other dudes unless speak I have to fight for my own life unless they're friends if there's like other dudes around they'll never intervene and like try to help us I mean I agree so what's the point

Brian Atlasthough you have a a little bit of protection yeah out there from from men other men it's also who are you protecting the women from who are you protecting woman from you know like I just I don't understand the point of

Brian Atlasthat argument I agree like under the patriarchy they is it the patriarchy that I don't know I I need to like this always comes up when we're having these conversations like

Sophiawell but who's the like you know I mean if you're going to act like the Savior then it's like also like who are you saving the girl from but you know like the criminal could be you know like any

Brian Atlasany man really I need to actually I need this almost always comes up in this conversation it I actually think it's a fallacious argument to say well but

Brian Atlaswho's the one who's being the violent person who's the one who's doing the bad thing who's the cause of this bad thing that's impacting men it's men it's I I

Brian Atlasknow that it's a a FCI argument and I actually need I don't have a rebuttal to it I know there's a rebuttal to it because it's a fallacious argument I just don't have it off the top of my head the point I was making is I'm

Mason Gregoiretransferring the violence that is impending upon you to me so like as a woman in society you get that privilege that if someone is attacking you men will step in if they are available if

Mason Gregoirethey are ready and they're standing there though if you're around that's like I feel like that's well like that so the enforcement arm of the law so police

Mason Gregoireofficers I mean they will step in for anybody but they will overwhelmingly like men will step in for women to protect them to take the violence off of them and put it on themselves reason the

Mayasame reason why you like you don't I don't other people don't agree with men trans women competing in h h oh sorry I didn't that I don't know if it's trans

Mayamen or women I don't know what the competing in women's sports because of the physical difference how did we get here because of the physical difference the same reason that like it applies to

Mayathis situation too men are physically stronger bigger faster than women are just looking at the small situation that there will be men around there will be police officers around like we can't

Mayajust like zoom into that fact and ignore the all the other situations where there are situations where women have to fight for themselves against a man mhm sure

Mason Gregoirebut in the majority of situations like if a man gets in a fight with another man they if they're alone okay regardless if it's a woman if it's a man

Mason Gregoirethey're going to get beat down that's terrible whatever but if there are men around they will step in to protect the women if there are men around for the two man fight they will not step in I agree and I think that's a horrible

Mason Gregoireissue but I think that's is that patri is I I think it is patriarchy it's ingrained in men to protect those who are less able

Mason Gregoireto but is that the patriarchy they it can also be used yeah I I would agree that it's the patriarchy because in the natural world you see that not just in

Mason Gregoirehumans but also in animals animals will protect those that are under it so male lions will protect its Harum like all

Brian Atlasnot all that's not the structure of all animals though H I don't I don't know H Hy we watched um National Geographic are

Brian Atlasyou talking about the hyena women the the female hyenas have penises well that but also like they have penises no they can like wait do they female hyenas have

Brian Atlasbecause they can retract their like sexual organs to allow they got dick the name for that those female hyenas they got some penis they got some on them God

Brian Atlasdamn have you seen a female hyena sorry anyway should we wrap up let's wrap up guys last thing um do you want to just like double down on the whole

Brian Atlaslike women voting thing really quick just to just nail the at the end I disagree but I mean after what you've heard from this panel tonight are you just so

Brian Atlassteadfast in your position now I've always been steadfast but before all how does it feel guys that you guys

Brian Atlashave encouraged her to be more steadfast in her anti-women voting position something tells me that we weren't going to change your mind anyway

Brian Atlasweren going to I mean I'm willing to change my mind uh let's see here final hot take argues men are more pressed than women

Sophiayes I don't think so so women are more pressed than men then or is it equal oppressed by Society by what I don't it's different okay we're going

Sophiato I'll just okay especially women and minority notay minorities I think men are more oppressed I think women for sure no

Soniabecause for example I'm going into engineering women have more are going to be more likely to get hired than a

Brian Atlasman I'll just I'm going to wrap up I'll I'll do fin word here on this uh I would say all feminist arguments about oppression are Dead on Arrival we already talked about

Brian Atlasthis all of women's Collective grievances fall flat in the face of just one Soul male

Brian Atlasgrievance military conscription I'm sorry collectively you

Brian Atlascan't I can't think of an example that's worse than the infliction of

Brian Atlasit's insane fizel sorry I shouldn't be flippant I'm sorry I shouldn't be flippant about a serious subject but um

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