She Says ALL Men Are UGLY?! GIGACHAD VlRGlN RETURNS! TayTay! College Feminists?! | Dating Talk #148

Date: 2024-04-01

Duration: 7h 32m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSonia (DT148)>

SSophia (DT148)>

AAlexa (DT148)>

TTaylor (DT149)>

MMason Gregoire >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Donation Reader(audience)

SPEAKER_01Mason Gregoire(guest)

SPEAKER_02Jory(guest)

SPEAKER_03Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_04Alexa(guest)

SPEAKER_05Sonia(guest)

SPEAKER_06Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_07Taylor (TayTay)(guest)

SPEAKER_08Ahe(guest)

SPEAKER_09Kiki(guest)

SPEAKER_10Maya(guest)

Key Moments

IntroGuest introductions round. 8 guests introduce themselves in order. Panel includes returning guests Mason Gregoire (GIGACHAD VIRGIN) and Taylor (TayTay). New guests are all young women, many UCSB college students. Sophia reveals she has never been in an official relationship.

“"all right we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location"”

QuoteSophia reveals she has never been in an official relationship, describing herself as "single for 20 years." Has only had casual talking stages.

“"I actually haven't dated before like in a like official relationship so I've been single for 20 years"”

QuoteTTS donation triggers extended transgender identity debate: "if someone is born with male chromosomes Brian and a female reproductive system are they a man or a woman if they can choose why not everyone else."

“"if someone is born with male chromosomes Brian and a female reproductive system are they a man or a woman"”

QuoteJory (22yo UCSB) states she finds 0% of men physically attractive — "honestly none." Identifies as pansexual; finds women far more visually appealing than men. This is referenced in the episode title ("She Says ALL Men Are UGLY").

“"attractive starting with you honestly none"”

QuoteBrian gives honest answer on AIS/transgender question: "I don't know." Admits uncertainty on edge cases while maintaining binary sex position for the general population.

“"I don't I don't know that's my answer I don't know"”

OtherSelf-ratings round: Ahe self-rates 7-8.5 ("not in final form, like Frieza"). Kiki rates self 4. Brian rates self 5 ("solid five"). Viewer (okydoi) rates panel left to right by clothing: leather jacket 5, denim jacket 6, black shirt 4, christmas sweater tomboy 4.5, fluffy jacket 4, ginger hair 7, black crop top 4.

“"ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10"”

QuoteBrian declares himself a "Natural Body Supremacist" — strongly prefers women with no plastic surgery, no implants, no BBL, no lip filler, no labiaplasty. Would take flat chest over implants; small natural lips over filler.

“"I'm a natural body supremacist"”

QuoteMason Gregoire (GIGACHAD VIRGIN RETURNS) confirms he is a virgin waiting for marriage. Episode title reference. Brian serves as informal gatekeeper/approver for Mason's future partner.

“"I'm a virgin um I'm not necessarily looking for a vir Brian's against this"”

QuoteTaylor reveals she has a full Harley Quinn tattoo sleeve plus a face tattoo (not visible under makeup). Pushes back when Mason calls heavily tattooed women "trashy."

“"I even have a face tattoo you just can't see it I'm like all tatted everywhere"”

QuoteSonia reveals her best friend died by suicide and she found the body. Many of her tattoos were shared designs with this friend (sentimental memorial tattoos). Sonia also mentions this is her Sonia's rose tattoo.

“"more than half of my tattoos my best friend also had and like I mentioned earlier in the show she unived her s and I found her body"”

QuoteSonia states the hot take that women should not have the right to vote, arguing it pulls them away from their natural role as nurturers/caregivers, contributing to nuclear family breakdown.

“"I don't think women should be able to vote hot take"”

ControversySonia's women's voting hot take triggers extended panel debate on patriarchy, military conscription, and gender equality. Brian counters that women gained voting rights without corresponding military draft obligation. Mason points out all men must register for Selective Service at 18; women are exempt. Discussion of Ukraine men unable to leave country vs. women who fled. Brian concludes: military conscription inequality invalidates most feminist oppression arguments.

“"I don't think women should be able to vote hot take wow with context of course"”

OtherEnd of show wrap-up. Sonia doubles down on anti-women-voting position after full show of debate. Brian notes three no-shows at episode start; producer Nick recruited guests from Isla Vista. Twitch raid to WoW Grandma 78. Show ran until approximately 1 AM.

“"all right guys we're going to wrap up there"”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions and relationship status

Panel of 8 guests introduce themselves. Notable: Mason Gregoire returning co-host (virgin, going into Air Force); Taylor "TayTay" returning (men's mental health advocate). New guests: Jory (22, UCSB psych), Ahe (21, valley, jr college), Sonia (23, Bay Area, engineering), Sophia (20, UCSB econ, never dated officially), Maya (21, UCSB public policy, married), Alexa (35, Venezuelan-American, married 8 years, farmer). Relationship status round covers: single histories, first relationships, celibacy periods. Sophia reveals she has never had an official relationship (single 20 years). Brian discusses Nala returning to Christ (real or fake discussion).

Dating app profile review

Brian and panel review two female guests' Hinge profiles on screen. Discussion of dating app culture, group swiping with roommates, profile quality, and whether apps attract serious or entertainment-seeking users. Sophia describes using Hinge as a group activity with roommates (AirPlaying profiles on TV). Panel debates whether this is disrespectful to men using apps in good faith. Sophia had 4 meetups from apps; none progressed. Ahe describes going to thrifting as a first date activity.

Transgender identity and gender debate

TTS donor asks: if someone has male chromosomes but female reproductive system, what gender are they? Extended discussion on gender vs. sex, intersex conditions, Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS), pronoun preferences, puberty blockers, and trans identity as mental illness vs. valid identity. Jory: any pronouns acceptable; gender is self-expression. Mason: calls trans identity a mental illness; wants compassionate treatment but no affirmation of delusion. Alexa: respects individual choices but won't affirm gender delusion. Brian: gave honest "I don't know" on AIS scenario; acknowledges complexity. Sonia: argues AIS and intersex aren't the same thing. Discussion of puberty blockers, detransitioners, conversion therapy. Pronoun round: Jory (any/all); Sonia, Sophia, Maya, Alexa, Taylor, Ahe (she/her); Brian (he/him).

"What percentage of men do you find attractive?"

Brian asks each guest what % of men they find physically attractive. Jory: 0% ("honestly none") — finds women far more visually appealing; identifies as pansexual. Ahe: 30-40% in person; lower on apps. Sonia: 50% in Bay Area (in person and apps). Sophia: ~1% on dating apps; ~20% at UCSB in person. Maya: ~25-30% in person; ~15-20% on apps. Taylor: ~45-50% in person; ~20-15% on apps. Mason: ~5% (very selective). Brian: ~50% of women walking around. Alexa: ~30-35% before marriage. Discussion of why women find apps unappealing vs. in-person. Brian attempts to show Mason off as attractive to Jory — she is unimpressed.

Trans women in women's sports

Discussion of whether trans women should compete in women's sports. Nearly all guests opposed. Maya: plays lacrosse at UCSB; says women fought hard for their sports space. Alexa: trans athletes should have their own division. Mason: men and women are not equal biologically; separate categories exist for good reason. Jory: doesn't care about sports but objects to exclusion in principle. Brian: most men's sports are technically open to women; asks if eliminating women's sports would be objectionable if open sports remained.

Self-ratings round (1-10 looks)

Stiffler (viewer) asks panel to rate own looks 1-10. Ahe: 7 (said "eight and a half, not in final form yet"). Kiki: 4 (per SPEAKER_09 segment at 11341). Others in rapid sequence (diarization partially merged): seven and a half/eight, seven, nine, five, eight mentioned. Brian: 5 ("solid five, you know"). Mason: self-rated 8 (per chunk 2 reference). Chat viewer (okydoi) rates panel left-to-right from clothing descriptions: leather jacket 5, denim jacket 6, black shirt 4, christmas sweater tomboy 4.5, fluffy jacket 4, ginger hair 7, black crop top 4. Jory objects: "the way we look is the least interesting thing about all of us."

What percentage of men are physically attractive (extended)

Return to the attractiveness percentage question after gender debate detour. Jory reconfirms: one in a million. Brian tries to find a male celebrity she'd call attractive — fails. Mason expresses attraction to ~5% of women. Full panel goes around again for percentages; Sophia: ~1% on hinge, ~20% UCSB in person. Maya: ~25-30% in person / 15-20% apps. Taylor: ~45-50% in person / 20-15% apps. Brian: ~50% of women. Discussion of geography and dating pool quality (Bay Area vs. UCSB vs. national).

Guest ideal partner types round

Going around table: what is everyone's type? Brian shares his full list (see "Brian's ideal type" topic). Jory: attentive, creative, passionate, no specific physical preferences, maybe long hair. Ahe: Black or Hispanic preferred; masculine, disciplined, goal-driven; not fashion-forward. Sonia: athletic/slim-muscular build; good hygiene; slightly shy but decisive; masculine. Sophia: artsy/confident; hygienic; mostly white guys by circumstance; surfer aesthetic; not specifically frat boys (had that phase); similar ambition level. Maya: white or East Asian; athletic; loyal, empathetic, Christian, emotionally aware. Taylor: god-fearing, ambitious, gym-goer, funny, family-oriented; Black or Mexican preferred; colored eyes, tattoos, nice teeth. Mason: God-fearing first; submissive/teachable; fit; natural body supremacist; chaotic energy / unpredictable personality (Jennifer Lawrence / Emilia Clarke type). Prefers virgin but not required. Gatekeeper role: Brian must approve his future partner.

Brian's ideal type / partner preferences list

Brian reads his full "ideal partner" list: slight preference for Asian or white women; short (4'9"-5'2" ideal); natural body supremacist (no implants, BBL, lip filler, labiaplasty, fake nails, heavy makeup); prefers natural body over surgically enhanced equivalent in all cases; no perfume; introverted/quiet/modest; submissive; low/zero body count; no bars/clubs; doesn't drink or do drugs; has praise kink; attentive/supportive of his mission. Showed video of woman doing deep bow; wants this as greeting from partner. Guests debate the bow: Ahe declines; Sonia says she'd do it if asked; Maya does curtsy demo; Brian accepts curtsy as alternative. Brian: "I'd prefer the bow but I will begrudgingly accept a curtsy."

Tattoos, piercings, and natural body discussion

Discussion of how tattoos and piercings fit into the Natural Body Supremacy framework. Brian: prefers no tattoos; small heart tattoo not a dealbreaker; scale matters. Tattoos may correlate with trauma, family issues, personality disorders — not always. Mason: tattoos may signal trashiness or financial irresponsibility; still not an absolute rule. Taylor: has full sleeve + face tattoo; pushes back on trashiness label. Sonia: has multiple tattoos, many shared with deceased best friend (sentimental). Alexa: has Harley Quinn sleeve. Discussion of why women find tattoos on men attractive (signal of danger/masculinity/aggression). Piercings: Brian less opposed than tattoos; not a fan of septum piercings. Sophia discusses nipple piercings casually; says many girls with small chests get them. Brian: tattoos/piercings done for women, not men; makeup/plastic surgery more done for men.

World of Warcraft / gaming tangent

Mid-show WoW Classic discussion triggered by a Twitch raid. Sophia is a WoW Classic player (Alliance warlock); debate over gnome vs. human warlock racials. Panel discusses gnome INT buff vs. human reputation gain. Brian offers $1,000 to any panelist who can say where Atiesh teleports — no one gets it. Ahe prefers Call of Duty and Mortal Kombat. Brian: would you date a guy with a level 60 gnome warlock with Atiesh? Discussion of whether gaming = unattractive.

Patriarchy debate

Jory argues patriarchy is real; examples: car crash test dummies designed for male bodies, medical research historically done on male subjects. Brian challenges both examples as not strong evidence of systematic oppression. Jory defines patriarchy as men being the default blueprint in society. Sonia: US is not a true patriarchy; compares to Afghanistan where women can't drive/go to school. Mason: argues lack of strong male leadership is root of societal gender confusion. Brian: the examples given are niche; military conscription is one counterexample that invalidates most feminist oppression arguments. Closing: Brian argues all feminist collective grievances fall flat against military conscription.

Women's voting rights / military conscription debate

Sonia hot take: women should not have the right to vote. Reasoning: women are biologically nurturers; suffrage pulled women from family role, contributing to nuclear family breakdown. Brian: supports women voting but notes inequality — men received voting rights tied to Selective Service / military conscription obligation; women got voting rights without that duty. Mason: all men registered for draft at 18; women exempt; this is an inequality. Discussion: if women want equality, should they be subject to military conscription? Jory: no one should be drafted (ideally). Brian: draft will never be abolished politically; practically it remains. Reference to Ukraine: men 18-60 unable to leave country; women able to flee and live normally. Discussion of military physical standards differences between men and women. Extended debate on whether feminism is compatible with selective military exemption.

Closing and end of show

Brian wraps up. Final hot take: are men or women more oppressed? Mixed answers. Brian: all feminist oppression arguments invalidated by military conscription. Sonia doubles down on anti-women-voting position. Super chat read by Mason. Would you date someone who legally owns a firearm? Near-unanimous yes. Twitch raid to WoW Grandma 78 (300 viewers, playing World of Warcraft). Three no-shows at start of episode; producer Nick went into Isla Vista to recruit last-minute guests. Show ran until approximately 1 AM.

Transcript

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Joryknow to this is whoever the individual is how they feel abouts oh that's what they're saying if they feel they are a man they're a man they feel they are a

Brian Atlasgirl still not a Munch I'm still not a Munch I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm still not a Munch wait what were you saying I believe and it's not just for people who

Joryare INX or have a certain condition it goes for everyone however you feel you are that's what you are so if I feel like I'm a millionaire

JoryI'm a millionaire that's not exactly howal no but that's not what I mean I mean it's up to each and every individual person to Define who they are I mean you you canot see it that way but

Alexathat's up to you they can still be who they are what what's going on here is not the same what's going on here that's what we're trying to so what happen is when you when there is a some sort of like disruption between your mind and

Joryyour body then that's when you you get confused I think that you are born how you're born and you can't change that so we can agree to disagree because I'm not going to change your minds and you guys

Taylor (TayTay)aren't going to change my mind no I'm not trying to I'm not trying to change your mind I'm giving you facts that's not my opinion but those aren't necessarily facts there are you can Google it it's on there there's research you got buried treasures and you say you're a girl

Taylor (TayTay)you're not a girl you have to literally you can get rid of it and still be trans and all that I respect the trans and all that but that's delusional if I S A Millionaire right now and you look at my bill am I a millionaire no I'm not so that's a lie you're delusional you're feeding that delusion that doesn't make

Alexaany sense so you can believe whatever you want but the facts are there baby I mean it's like I'm coming here I'm saying I'm a dog I'm a Mastiff I'm a furry like come on I'm not a dog

Mason GregoireI'm just not it's delusion I I think whenever I get into this conversation like I have to realize that I I I

Mason Gregoiredisagree with what your position I don't think what you feel like is who you are male woman whatever you identify as I think that's that's extremely

Mason Gregoiredestructive for society but when when I say that I see like I come at it as like I understand this person is a person I'm not looking at them like a piece of meat

Mason Gregoireor an object or like as someone I'm fighting against like I I don't care about you I'm dehumanizing you I don't come at it like that like I I see it is a mental

Mason Gregoirecondition like it is it's it's how you think you see yourself it's how you feel about yourself by definition that's it's in your head so it's it's the same thing

Mason Gregoireas the people who are psychopaths or maybe they have other uh other psychological illnesses it's in that same category and it had been defined that way all the way up into a into a

Mason Gregoirespecific movement so you have to treat the other person like a a human but you also have to realize Like It Is by all definitions a mental illness because I mean there's

Mason Gregoirethere's uh a lot of negative repercussions when you buy into their delusion or their mental state it's just it's not healthy for the person and in

Alexaindividually it's also not healthy for society as a whole and I agree with him I think that we all need to respect each other as a humans because at the end of the day we're all humans it doesn't matter we the same race we're humans but

Alexaat the same time I will respect your choices you can make whatever choice in your life that you want to make it it has nothing to do with me but you have

Joryto respect that I'm not going to buy into that delusion your respon well I don't know how to respond to this

Joryconsidering there is plenty of research even within what's currently being done as well as the past that that's not it's

Jorynot a medical disorder it's not a delusion but I don't exactly have the resources right now to like pull that up and show you guys that so I'm not going to try to change your guys'

TTS Donation Readerminds it's just kind of disrespectful to aristal is debt donated $100 what facts determine your gender

TTS Donation Readerchromosomes genetics these don't always agree if neither then why pretend that either is

Jorynecessary gender itself is a construct I mean sex is different than gender so technically none of it's real if you

Brian Atlaswant to look at it that way it is very real when I have my per every month it's real when you have PC that's not I have a chat that's going to come in here

Brian Atlaswe have Donald Trump's brown eye okay with the 50 the there are two genders men and woman vagine and Pen

Brian Atlasevery not my words everything else is a mental illness also everyone has a brown eye thank you for that Donald Trump that was I have a question for you poetic so

Soniawhat if someone says that or what if someone is diagnosed schizophrenic and they say their their entire life they've been male and all of the sudden they say I'm a female but they've been

Jorydiagnosed with schizophrenia at a young age what what would you say that is an interesting scenario because that's not exactly how schizophrenia Works schizophrenia

Jorythere's specific types there's paranoid type as one example but it goes to specific like auditory hallucinations visual hallucinations it's

Sonianot like a view of the self all the time like that it can be though but it's not that's really not how that work and a

Sonialot of people who identify as trans woman man they also have mental illness like they have depression and anxiety but it's not from people not accepting

Soniathem in fact in this day and age they're more accepted here than in any other country especially if you go to a place like my country like a thr country well and that that's why that's why like

Mason Gregoirethis issue is important to me cuz I care about their mental well-being like there are extreme side effects that come ACR like come along with the the disorder of

Mason Gregoirethinking that you are something that you're not it like there are higher rates of uh un living and stuff yeah yeah well I can't say exactly but yeah there's High rates of that there are

Mason Gregoirealso extremely high rates of me mental illness outside side of uh gender dysphoria so like we can't have this

Mason Gregoireconversation genuinely and just ignore all of that and say that this isn't a um con confounding factor to all of those other mental illnesses that are plaguing

Alexathem I agree I think we all need to be respected because we're all humans I'm going to say that again at the same time has greatly destroyed our society what's

Soniahappening right now and I think that go ahead you wanted to respond go ahead um I think I forgot what you had just said that I was going to respond

Soniato that uh transgender people deserve like you know mental health yeah I like treatment the the point I'm trying to

Mason Gregoiremake is like I want them to get better yeah I think that adding into their mental illness or trying to I guess what

Mason Gregoirethe word I'm looking for um affirm their mental illness is going to do more harm in the long run than it does good but forcing people who identify as trans to

Jorynot present themselves as the gender they are can also cause plenty and plenty of severe negative Mental effects it can worsen disorder like mental

TTS Donation Readerdisorders mental illnesses it's can cause suicides as well I feel like it is a complex issue in but true truth bomb donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 gender is not a construct sex/gender are the same thing if you think otherwise why can't a white man identify as a black man or and black

TTS Donation Readerwoman you can't change these things trans women are men uh well a couple clarifying questions on this topic so can you change your

Jorysex I don't think I have enough research on that specifically to say with the definitions if that's what's being done if technically you are changing the sex

Jorybut you can have affirming surgery and have all of the parts of what you identify as they've actually made advancements in the surgery to the point where it'll be possible for people to

Alexahave functioning uteruses in the future and actually carry that's a li that's a lie that's a lie that's a lie true the the male body doesn't have the cavity to

Alexahold a uterus and be able to to to to make it work physically might not work possib so say I'll give you that

Mason Gregoirewell okay so I'll just I'll give you that say they figure out a way to where some a man can get a uterus and can give birth to a child so like say they figure

TTS Donation Readerthat out I'm just going to give Aristotle's debt donated $100 Brian I expect an answer from you at this point and I still haven't gotten

TTS Donation Readerit also trans people have happy lives after transitioning and conversion therapy doesn't work that's actually false that's that's against most evidence yeah I would like a source for

Brian Atlasthat well so he's expecting an answer from me specifically the the your original question was if someone is born with male chromosomes and a female

Brian Atlasreproductive system are they a man or a woman I don't I don't know that's my answer I don't know

Aheum there's so much of a r I think they're intercepts I think that's the answer I think they're interested I think that's the answer you know seen like those videos like those YouTube videos of people of like people who literally look like men they have the facial and everything but they have

Brian Atlasvaginas so it's like I don't know what I can call you other than it's an extremely rare like it's an extremely rare scenario so and there's PE there's probably the majority of people who are

Mason Gregoiretrans are not interex yeah so it so say I give you that small population say I give you the interex population the other 99.99% of people like what about them

Mason Gregoirethey're not interex so the essentially the interex like argument you can push that off the table say I give that to you the same it's not the same thing like we we need to have a genuine

Mason Gregoireconversation and like to do that we have to talk about what if it's just somebody who's normal uh man woman biologically we need to have that conversation cuz the

Mason Gregoireinterex thing yeah you can you can make a medical argument for that I can give you that but going back to um uh how I was going to clarify with man giving

Mason Gregoirebirth to baby say that happens at some point uh there the reproductive system is not the only thing that makes a man a man they are different in in their brain

Mason Gregoirelike their brain chemistry the hormones that are being produced like bone density muscle mass the amount of fat that men carry extreme and usually the

Mason Gregoireamount that of fat that women carry more well it's it's more than men but it's also more than men so that they can nurture their baby as they're being uh yeah as they're growing inside of you

Mason Gregoireyeah um so I would I would argue that there are so many more determining factors that make a man a man and a woman a woman other than hey I have a uterus or hey I have a

Jorypenis yes you agree I agree but yeah yeah so like there are other factors other than that that I would say and I would also

TTS Donation Readeragree that there are other factors that Christ his Lord donated $100 listen for all of human history for thousands of years there has been

TTS Donation Readerquestion as to understanding what men and women are until 20 years ago is our society becoming enlightened or is it

Mason Gregoireunraveling evolving actually uh this is not this is not a new topic um yeah people have been trying to unravel the

Mason Gregoirecreation order for all of history God had set man to be man and woman to be Woman made them for each other and Humanity Fallen Humanity hates that and

Mason Gregoirethey they push away from that day after day so it's not new um it we have seen this pendulum swing in that direction over the last 20 years and I pray it

Mason Gregoireswings back back because uh this is uh historically the downfall of society it's one of the major pillars for that couple questions here uh so I was asking

TTS Donation Readerif you can change your sex because I think we maybe agree here at the table sex is different from gender Aristotle's debt donated $100 I don't know how I have to keep

TTS Donation Readersaying this but androgynous insensitivity equals SL equals intersection if there are other factors that determine one's gender why not self-determination oh like you pick

Brian Atlasyourself you pick your own gender yeah I understand he said the the sex the chromosomal sex was was male but had

Brian Atlashold on let me see if I no female reproductive system male chromosomes so that's so you're saying that's not intersex

Brian Atlasokay so is that a is that a thing yeah I don't know but it's not interex so what is the I don't know is that even a thing maybe this is just a thought experiment it could be is it a thought experiment or is this something that actually

Brian Atlashappens in any case it's not clear to me if that would be the case for all people who consider consider themselves trans I don't know what is the actual medical is there a medical term or scientific term

Brian Atlasfor what you're describing here if it's not interex is that uh there's there's other I don't know I don't know these off hand but um didn't he say it was the Androgen insensitivity thing that's the

Brian Atlasterm they I need more descriptive like does it look so looks entirely like a woman but has male chromosomes I would again

Brian Atlasjust ask is that actually a thing I mean I can Google it really quick andr androgenous insensitivity androgenous Androgen the hormone sensitivity do you have like an

Brian Atlasidea syndrome AIS is when the person who is genetically male is resistant to hormones that produce a male appearance called androgens as as a result the person has some of the physical traits

Brian Atlasof a female but the genetic makeup of a male I'm curious can they can that person um are they capable of getting pregnant cuz I know like some people are interx I know that's not what you're

Mason Gregoiretalking about like they sometimes they can't get pregnant I don't know I don't know about there so many other medical questions that would have to be ask to

Mason Gregoireclarify this one very very specific case like like I'm not I'm not a I'm not a medical doctor I'm not a medical doctor that

Brian Atlasspecializes in uh like genetics the I think the argument he's trying to make is like let's use this extreme example to make the argument for the the whole Yeah well yeah so like like I said

Mason Gregoireearlier what if I just give you that what if I say okay sure we'll let those people decide and they like okay I will let these inex people decide like they

Mason Gregoirehave male and female character iscs like sure I can give you the that that small percentage but that still leaves the

Brian Atlasvast majority of people that we need to have this like actual talk like we need to debate that issue is his argument also that all trans people have Androgen

Brian Atlasinsensitivity syndrome is that the position here I don't I don't know well a couple questions on this really quick I'll try to relate it to dating um maybe

Brian Atlaswe'll wait until she's back from the bathroom um so after actually let me read this chat I'll wait until she's back from the bathroom uh Daniel Martin ladies what if a man replied to your we'll come back to this conversation but

Brian Atlasladies what if a man replied to your dating profile and appeared to have everything you wanted in a partner your perfect match except he was confined to a wheelchair would you give him a chance

Brian Atlasor pass and tell you freaking rock as always thank you Daniel I agree with him so going around the table uh dating profile has appears to have everything you want in the partner perfect match

Brian Atlasexcept confined to a wheelchair would you give them a chance or no go i' give him a chance I don't see why not I would

Kikitoo yeah yeah I would no yes it's a perfect match all right yeah I'll wheel you

Brian Atlaseverywhere Dazzle your wheelchair there you go dazzled I got you bedazzled I'm not that strong but I got you T not yet um it's just one question for you but

Brian Atlasyou said that you find this sort of stemmed from our conversation about you said that you rarely see me men who are physically attractive is that correct

Brian Atlasyeah like none yeah not really but you you'll look at a woman and be like she's beautiful yeah how fre that's much more frequent for you isn't that sexist

Ahethough I don't maybe like maybe like girls then girls or maybe you're just a little bit resistant to you know like men like maybe you just don't want to think about them like that maybe it makes you uncomfortable it could be that

Joryone maybe I mean I don't know why I feel that way it's just kind of how it is I mean if I feel comfortable with someone and they make me feel really happy to be around them they'll start to be much more attractive is there a like a male

Brian Atlascelebrity you can think of that you think like no he's there's not one person you can cuz I don't know any of them there's not like one guy you can just name who you're like yeah he's attractive just physically you see him

Brian Atlason his physically ATT what about Superman Superman I didn't get Crush Superman Spiderman huh Spider Batman anybody well actually kind of related to her thing too so we have two girls here

Brian Atlaswho seem or I was going around on this we didn't go we didn't fully go around we'll come back to the topic at hand oh you're wait you're getting bathroom oh you're getting up I'll be quick I'm

Brian Atlassorry okay bro all right um I Gotta Wait guys I gotta wait until she's back she could have waited but um uh Nick pull up twitch guys go to

Brian Atlastwitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one I think you have to click on new activity okay AR toal is debt donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 duh of course I'm not saying all trans people have Androgen insensitivity not the same as interest what I am saying is that gender is a form of

Brian Atlasself-expression no no but are you saying that Androgen in sensitivity is a form of self-expression or it it would occur to me that these

Brian Atlaspeople have a genuine uh like a condition medical medical like there's a difference and so I'm not really

Brian Atlassure what you're saying Aristotle um so J okay um oh here we have a message here from flat Earth denier he

Brian Atlasdenies the Flat Earth Canadian 50 if genitals don't determine your gender why would chopping them off affirm it that's a good do you care to respond to that I

Jorycannot speak for every single trans person but from what I do know not every single trans person do does want to have gender conf affirming surgery some

Jorypeople are perfectly content with their physical body they just Express themsel as the gender they say they are doesn't require you to change your

Jorygenitals you don't have to some people do some people really feel that's what they need to do so that they can feel at home in their body some people already feel at home in their body they

Brian Atlasjust I don't even really know how to exactly I feel like it's would be it would be fruitful to go around the

Jorytable and ask everybody's pronouns what I'm going to deny this question what that's a good second I say what I'm going to say I'm just going to get attacked it's good faith wait no

Alexawould I attack you I'm not going to attack I'm not going to attack you I'm not going to attack we're not yeah we're supposed to respect each other like he won't attack we're just having conversation I'm going to be called delusional well I've already been called

Taylor (TayTay)delusional I'm saying what you're saying is delusional I'm not saying you're delusional you can think however you want but it's facts if you're going and making stuff up and you can go online and Google it that is delusional if I told you right now I'm an orange man that's delusional because you're looking

Taylor (TayTay)at me right now why I'm a black woman so I'm not saying your delusional I'm just saying what say let's leave the orange people out of this I'm just trying to be respectful I'm not calling leave the orange people out of this leave our

Brian Atlasprobable future president out of this future president leave Trump out of this conversation um I AG did you want to respond I use any and all pronouns I

Brian Atlashave no preference you don't have a preference because I I was going around figured hey let's get pronouns from

Joryeverybody so wait you use any and all pronouns like does it but does it change like is it fluid yeah I guess I mean whatever anyone says at any moment if they're

Joryreferring to me I I don't wait they get to pick what your pronouns are I mean they don't get to necessarily pick they all work they can just so I could call you he yeah you'd be fine call that on accident I see what she saying itn't but

Brian Atlasyou'd be fine if I called you he yeah or if I called you she yeah they yeah it sure you're fine with it yeah your

Jorymajesty you're fine with that that's can we ask why your majesty cuz I personally feel no strong connection to any gender

Brian AtlasI feel like I just am what I am I feel like isn't it almost more offensive to be like I take them all I am all genders

Brian Atlas[ __ ] you Pokemon I don't see how that would be offensive I could see somebody getting offended over that I mean if they do then they do I claim them all

Brian Atlasdef I am everything I'm omnipotent but I'm not taking it away from anybody else is that all powerful it's no yeah omnipotent is all powerful your your

Brian Atlasyour gender is Omni sure that'd be sick they SL Omni what about you your pronouns she her she her she she her she her she her Aristotle's debt

TTS Donation Readerdonated $100 if gender affirming care gives someone a better quality of life look at the studies it is a good thing prove me wrong Brian why you coming at me I feel

Brian Atlaslike I haven't even really had a point of yeah you got money I don't really have donating uh if gender affirming care could I think that was you who was talk about I said something about it um

Brian Atlasgender affirming care give someone a better quality of life look at the studies it is a good thing well I mean what about people like I've heard um like d transitioners and then there's somebody who's been blowing up on

Brian AtlasTwitter like for so to make the neop penis is what it's called or whatever they have to like remove the skin from your arm and SK they they they just like

Brian Atlaspeel the skin from from your arm here I guess for what to make a to give a woman who's transitioning into a man a p

Brian Atlasand like it gets infections or something look I don't know is it I actually wait hold on I have to now I have to wait till she's back to ask these [ __ ] okay can I say something about that real

Ahequick though nobody leave once she gets back please so I can go around asking the question what's your thing I feel like as you know Daniel the whole gender affirming care I think we should also you know give a lot of effort to find

Aheout why they feel the way that they feel because especially right now this whole you know debate on gender and stuff this is like a new thing okay I did not grow

Aheup with this and I'm what just literally 21 so this you know we should also figure out why this is a thing because I don't think that people are really dealing with I don't know what gender I

Alexaam I don't no it seems like a deeper yeah it's definitely something else yeah I think a part of the is um

Alexayour family structure how how you are growing up uh the father um picture you know like I think a lot of people who grow up with their father and mother and

Alexaor or or the father was around whatever has a better upcoming life than an absent father I I think you're hitting

Mason Gregoireon something really important right here like I I think the lack of male figures in our culture the lack of strong male

Mason Gregoireleadership is I think what breeds all of this nons sense it like if you don't have men who are willing to stand up and say this is what is right this is what

Mason Gregoireis wrong the lead the leaders yes if you don't have men showing you what a man is then I can see how all of these things can be questioned if you have men

Mason Gregoirewalking around being able pushed over like their children and they have no stances on anything and nothing is important to them and they'll just say whatever they can say to get laid like obviously people are going to have a

Mason Gregoiredifficult time understanding the difference between a man and a woman but when you have a society that has a strong emphasis on what a man is what are you supposed to do what his duty is

Mason Gregoireto protect to provide uh to uh lead when you don't have that I can see how all of this stuff comes out like everything crumbles yeah yeah like if you grow if you grow up in a household with no

AlexaFather Figure what does it mean to be a man because as as a girl growing up like it wasn't so important uh know that my dad was protecting me and he was there for me

Alexaso imagine growing up and don't have that that uh male figure as a father that you know it will protect you I'm not saying your mother won't absolutely there's moms like my mom that will

Alexaprotect me with her life mothers are extremely important extremely important and but the father is has that job of protecting you and making sure you're safe you know and and and and guiding

Mason Gregoireyou and being the leader another interesting statistic that uh has borne out is that families I I don't want to butcher this I I might mess up when I

Mason Gregoiresay it but families that have a two parent household uh their children uh their statistical likelihood of going to prison uh graduating high

Mason Gregoireschool all of like a bunch of these negative uh not graduating in high school getting uh having children out of wedlock those negative predictors they

Mason Gregoirehave the same statistical likelihood of avoiding those if they have a single father household and it doesn't hold the same for a single mother household it shows I'm I'm not bashing single mothers

Mason GregoireI think women who are raising CH children by themselves that that is an extremely hard hard place to be in and I empathize uh with your position I think

Mason Gregoireit's a a crime uh against you because I mean we've had a society that has promoted that for um a very long time especially in minority neighbor hoods

Mason Gregoireminority communities um but yeah it shows the importance of fatherhood and I think fathers are extremely important extremely important extremely couple questions here and then we'll get back

Brian Atlasto the what percentage of men you find attractive question so okay we were talking about the you know the gender stuff um so I think a one good clarifying question we should asked the

Brian Atlaswhole panel the whole table here is and I and I'll actually relate it back to dating here in a bit what is a

Soniawoman a woman is whoever defines thems as a woman an adult human female a person who has female genitals and chromosomes yeah I'd probably say

Mayasomeone who I identifies as a woman someone who has female same as her jals and crimon same you're only a woman

Joryif you can have your period and have kids there plan of biological women who can't do either of that either we're not we're just we're just do you mean like the essence of okay all right I know

Brian Atlasthere's some women who cannot bear a child so I'm not talking about those type of women but you know what I mean wait so so just for for you two since I think you guys said that a woman is somebody who identifies as a woman is

Brian Atlasthat I don't want to misstate your positions is that correct so can you I'm perhaps you can provide a more precise definition can you define what a woman is without using the word

TTS Donation Readerwoman someone who defines thems as such as well you haven't really improved a whole lot on the requested definition kill of Serial donated

TTS Donation Reader$100 so long as the message isn't pushing kids to mutilate themselves by praying on their uncertainties adults who want to be delusional live in the

Alexacountry to do so and they can must protect the kids AG very much agree love that kill cereal I think if you're an adult and you want to do whatever you want to that's fine but with kids like

Alexawhen I was five years old I used to say I want to be an astronaut I want to be a vet is it's the same thing if you tell if you let a kid make that decisions as such a young age and as an adult do whatever you want but let's protect the

Brian Atlaskids until they can come to an age they can make their own decisions do you have any thoughts on that when it comes to children like cuz I think it sounded like you were in favor of gender affirming care um what any thoughts on

Joryyou know someone who's 11 12 13 or do you think I feel like they should still be able to express themselves how they choose that doesn't necessarily mean surgery of course children should not be

Jorygoing going under severe serious surgeries necessarily I mean there's plenty of checks that are done so to keep people from doing this if and it prevents tons of trans people who are

Brian Atlastrans from even this care because they're not deemed as qualifying for the surgeries but what about like uh the the hormone medicine what's that called hormone

Joryblockers pu puberty blockers thank you yeah puberty block puberty blockers you can take them as a kid and then when you go off them it I from what I know cuz I don't know a lot about puberty and

Brian Atlashormone blockers it doesn't keep you from developing those traits later in life if you decide to go off them wait so you're saying for examp let's say someone from the age when does does puberty typically start 10 11 12 around

Brian Atlasthere let's just say they started I don't know the let's say the age is 12 they from 12 to 20 they use these puberty blockers I don't know if that's the typical age they continue using it

Brian Atlasuntil but are you saying that once they get off it at 20 that it would it would like they would just go ahead and have their puberty at 20 is that I'm not

TTS Donation Readerfamiliar with the I'm not fully familiar with hormone blockers either so I conely say Christ his Lord donated $100 the reason we are dealing with

TTS Donation Readergender confusion is moral Decay without God Romans 1 says just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God God gave them up to a depraved

Brian Atlasmind yep true true Christ is Lord okay thank thank you for the TTS appreciate it um wait so okay uh but so you don't

Joryobject to the use of pu puberty blockers in children is that no I don't object I feel like there's a lot of checks and balances in place that even prevent people who really want to go on them

Joryfrom even being able to go on them so it's it's not a foolproof system but it's really really hard for someone to just willy-nilly go on something like that is it yeah I don't know your

Sophiathoughts on that like cool for the kids to go on puber puberty blockers um I don't know about other people's kids but for my own kids I

Sophiathink it just would I honestly don't really know I'm not okay anywhere close to that I also I think my view of gender

Sophiais is kind of like I know what I am and other people you know the way I said that women means that like how people identify themselves is

Sophiathat I think that that is true because if someone thinks that they are woman and maybe biologically they weren't born a woman I won't interfere with that and

SophiaI I think it's a lot to say that is a mental disorder because sexuality was also considered a mental disorder for a very long

Brian Atlastime and sometimes it's still considered a mental disorder well sexuality is a mental sexuality like being gay yeah so let's let's stick though to the

Brian Atlasconversation in hand here so um strictly when it comes to the puberty blockers thing when it comes to kids taking them in favor against

SophiaI think I might be more against it for kids I I know that I'm kind of like I don't really know because I don't know if it's like if you wait too long if you can't take them then and if you know

Jorylike I'm not really sure how it works exactly and I think it would just really depend on you know the case one thing I do know about puberty blockers is they don't work if you take them later they only work if you take

Jorythem early enough to prevent the hormones from making the permanent changes so you can always go off of them and then get those changes but you can't undo them necessarily well I I have seen

Brian Atlassome research and I don't think it's true I don't think it's true that like you you've say you were born a male but

TTS Donation Readeryou want to Aristotle's debt donated $100 let boys choose whether their penises get sliced and diced until you oppose MGM I can't take your transphobic

Ahearguments seriously choose

Brian Atlasmale wait until you oppose male talking that's it's interesting it's actually interesting you raise that

Brian Atlasbecause I actually do object to circumcision so I don't know I do oppose uh

Brian Atlascircumcision um I don't what's been transphobic about any of this conversation though um we kind of an opinion anymore without everything

Brian Atlasit's a phobic ISM nobody hates nobody um wait wait okay we were on the puber oh so I do think it's the case like you

Brian Atlascan't once you've made the change with the puberty blockers or whatever there's no reversal like you've hit 20 you were on that for five six seven8 years

Joryhowever long you're not just going to switch back there might a pause button you could also take hormon later in life you could but do you think it would be the

Brian Atlasit's going to end up being the same as if you just proceeded through puberty as you as normal I'm sure it wouldn't be the same well what are your thoughts on the de like people who detransition people are allowed to

Brian Atlasdetransition it doesn't take away from people who are trans okay people can change their identity it sounded like you're fine with the puberty blockers if I have that is that

Jorycorrect for children I would believe so but I don't have that much knowledge on specifically puberty blockers sure well question for the panel on this so say you're let's say you have kids in the

Brian Atlasfuture I know you don't want to have kids but let's just for the sake of this conversation hypothetical here say you have an 11-year-old uh daughter son doesn't

Brian Atlasreally matter they come to you at 11: and they want to get a tattoo would you allow them to get a

Jorytattoo how old are they again B 11 oh no get a tattoo but the same thing with u gender or going on to a type of medication or surgery if it's the one in

Joryfirst time they brought it up I probably wouldn't let them just go on something like that either it's it's got to be something they felt and wanted for a really really long time and it's really serious and take them through the checks

Joryand balances to make sure it is what they feel and they it's what they really want and they understand the long-term consequences and effects to the best of their knowledge and after a couple of years

Sophiaokay uh we'll go around the table on this absolutely not no I don't know I

Brian Atlasthink not yeah I don't really care no no no yeah definitely not okay um last I don't want to linger on this for too

Brian Atlaslong because we've been here for a while two two two two things okay um here let me bring it to dating so this is not have been about relationships in a while I know well hey

Brian Atlasthis guy's uh it wasn't me who brought this up this other guy he's really he's hijacking he's he's hijacking uh okay

Brian Atlasso would it in terms of dat okay in terms of dating would you object to a man not wanting to date a trans woman I feel like there's a lot to that

JoryI feel like for the safety of the trans person then probably because if someone was with that trans person and they were together and they found that they were trans and they're like I don't like this and then they take the violence out on that person I feel like it in that case

Joryit's probably good for the person to ahead of time not inter like you know for that to not become a situation to begin with so if the person is like violent towards trans

Jorypeople let's say they're not they're not they just don't want to date somebody who's trans I feel like do you object to that people have their

Jorypreferences I feel like that says something about that person but there's still allowed to have what does it say Nick keep it on starting I mean it kind

Joryof says that they probably don't view that person as an actual woman if they're not willing to date them and their preference is women okay um so then well I actually

Brian Atlaslet me get everybody's answer on this but um so you would object to a man not wanting to date a trans

Jorywoman well I not necessarily object I'm just saying that if that's the view they have then it probably says they don't see that person as a woman which means

Brian Atlaswhat that that's just how they person uh uh bro

Brian Atlaswhat question for the table is it okay to cut up a baby Pro for p uh for religious reasons if so is it also okay to cut up a bro what you asking some

Brian Atlascrazy goofy questions bro spending a lot of money on these question even for look even for religious reasons I'm against circumcision because I believe in

Brian Atlasadvocating for men and boys before any of that so um yes I'm against it um we're not going to linger too long on that though so wait so okay it says what

Brian Atlasabout the person I've already said what it say person it interrupted you I I just wanted you to just be able to restate your position well it says that that

Joryperson does not see that other person as a woman which means what about them that means exactly that do you object to

Jorythat I say that it's probably not the greatest thing that they don't see that person as a woman but what if they don't see them as a female do you object to

Brian Atlasthat well females technically they're sex yeah so no I don't object to that okay um

Brian Atlasso you you were also saying how if somebody was dating somebody and then they found out like down the road that they were trans so in the scenario that

Brian Atlasyou provided this is somebody who I assume is very much passing as a transwoman do you think this is sort of a different topic do you think that

Brian Atlasthere is a duty for Trans people to disclose to romantic partners that they're trans I don't think there's necessarily a duty because for that to be a responsibility of them can put them

Brian Atlasin danger I mean they can choose to disclose that if they feel they are safe well let's talk about the safety thing wouldn't it put them in more danger to

Brian AtlasOmit and not disclose their sexual status with a partner who might object to being in some way misled I'm so sorry I feel like I cannot speak for Trans

Jorypeople I'm not trans I don't experience their experiences so I'm donated $100 good for you Brian but it was a question for the

Brian Atlastable

Brian Atlasum bro you're you're der ing the conversation a little bit but so if you wait Aristotle I'll ask it to the table but I'm going to get through a couple things here so you're going to

Brian Atlashave to wait a sec go ahead I think I finished my answer I have wait wait hold on before you come in let me just get around the table on this

Brian Atlasso um okay you when it comes to the safety thing you don't object or you do

Brian Atlasobject no no sorry you do you oh my God sorry guys I'm tongue twisted here you don't object to a trans person not disclosing their trans status to

Brian Atlaspotential romantic partners for safety reasons yeah they don't have to a lot of the times they do you think people should

Jorydisclose their STD status to a partner yeah okay that is something that can be be transferred to the other person you can't transfer anything from

Brian Atlasbeing transfer person but that's okay hold on be good faith though that's not what I'm arguing but I there you would agree that there are certain things that you ought to disclose to a romantic

Brian Atlaspartner yes for example do you think do you think you should disclose if you're in another relationship with somebody well that's not something you can transmit to somebody but like that is

Brian Atlassomething that EIC speaking of their lives like their tangible lives well let's say for example you're dating with the intention of marriage and having children and this person

Joryis they're male they cannot have children they can disclose they can't have children they can do that at some point along the relationship people who are infertile don't always disclose from the beginning of a date that they are

Brian Atlasinfertile sometimes they may sometimes may not it let's say I'm on a first date with somebody and I make it pretty clear to them that you know I'm looking for something longterm I'm looking for something serious I'm looking for

Jorymarriage and I'm looking for kids down the road and if the other person doesn't want kids or can't have kids then it's just a relationship that wouldn't work they don't have to necessarily let you know they're trans but they can let you

Brian Atlasknow they don't want and don't want to have kids okay fair enough so but you seem to I mean to me it

Brian Atlasseems pretty questionable to not disclose uh your gender sex status or whatever up

Joryfront maybe it is maybe it isn't I personally am not the one to answer these questions I am trans I don't have that experience I can't speak for their Community okay but you can give your own

Mason Gregoireopinion in my opinion I still don't think they have to disclose that they're trans so you don't have to give the caveat that you're not a part of their Community like like I'm not going to ask

Mason Gregoireeveryone to give a caveat for the reason they're saying what they're saying like I'm allow you to have an opinion and I don't need you to like give your credentials for why you have this opinion like I want to listen to you

Brian Atlasbecause you're you like I want I listen to you because you're a human being you don't have to give your credentials every time you say something here we're going to move on we're going to go around the table do you object would you

Brian Atlasobject to a man not wanting to date a trans woman and this could you could flip the the genders here a a a woman not wanting to date a trans men yeah I'd want to know if they were

Brian Atlastrans okay I wouldn't object I would not object I'm sorry what was a question again would you would you object to a man or a woman not wanting

Brian Atlasto date somebody who's trans trans man trans woman no it's their preference let them do what they want yeah I wouldn't object okay it

Brian Atlassounded like you objected a little bit to that one I feel like it's a complex situation it's not really it's just about

Brian Atlaspreference okay and that needs to be respect do you think men ought to be obliged to date somebody who's trans well if you don't like the person you shouldn't have to date them let's

TTS Donation Readersay you do like the person let's say they're well if you do like the person kill of cial donated $100 what if you're a trans Ted Bundy he will disclose his transition but not the

TTS Donation Readerfact that he wants you next L is with holding information considered Ling what does that Bible have to say uh wait what does the Bible have to

Mason Gregoiresay about trans Ted Bundy that is a good question avoid Ted Bundy at all in any scenario um yeah yeah murder and uh yeah the depraved

Brian Atlasmind I don't have thank you thank you kill of Serial um I'm sorry you were saying I I think you were saying like well if you like the person then what well if

Joryyou like the person why wouldn't you want to date them like if you like them okay they're your preference why wouldn't you want to date them because they're not the gender well say or

Mason Gregoirethey're not the sex that you're attracted to I I can put myself in this scenario I would personally be disgusted if I was if let's say just like crazy

Mason Gregoirescenario I married a trans woman I had no idea she she was train she sold herself really really well the whole time and like hit hit it super well and

Mason Gregoireuh we got married and I eventually figured it out like I would be absolutely disgusted like that needs to be something that's said it it's like as disgusting to me as having an STD

Mason Gregoireprobably even more so like that needs to be disclosed and I would say the vast majority of guys out there and women out there would probably feel the same they would feel violated they would feel

Mason Gregoiredisgusted like it's a very serious personal issue I can't trust you is exactly like it I understand like yeah

Mason Gregoirethis person wants to find somebody else but like it's extremely deceptive and hurtful and you're not you're coming from the point of view it would hurt the person who is trans but it would you

Mason Gregoirealso have to consider that the other person is also human and they want to find somebody for themselves and it's extremely selfish to hold that information from that other person and if I can just say something real quick I

Ahemean why you know as a trans trans person you know if you're proud of being trans if you you know can affirm to yourself that you're trans why wouldn't you want to disclose that with somebody you know what I mean and also in

Aherelation to like okay let's say um you had herpes right something like that and oh sorry okay so let's say you had like herpes or something right why would you not tell that to somebody who you're

Ahedating and you know intend having a relationship with because that can also first you have the herpes you can give it to them and then that can go down to your children it's a whole you know it has to be disclosed because you know if

Ahethat person really likes you really truly and wants to get to know you that might be something that won't bother them you know what I mean but I mean why would you even want as a trans person I can't understand why you wouldn't why

Ahewould you want to be with somebody who is transphobic in the first place or does not want to date a trans person because it's not that's it's not to not want to date somebody well not like that

Brian Atlasnot like that but that's how yeah that's the language they would use probably yeah but is that is that kind of your argument that it would be transphobic to not want to date somebody who's

Jorytrans I don't know like I really don't know that's a fair answer you don't have to

Brian Atlasknow okay um well okay so let me ask a couple more clarifying questions so

Brian Atlaslet's say that this trans woman is has a penis would that be reason enough for me to not want to date them I don't want to

Brian Atlasdate whe whether they're however they identify they're woman transwoman I don't want to date someone who has a penis is that reason

Joryenough maybe but maybe you should put on your profile that's your preference I need to wait I need to put on my profile that I don't want want to date someone who has a penis yeah you could put in your own reference that you don't want

Joryto date trans people and that'll make the other person's decision for them because then they won't pursue you so wait I need to change my behavior like can't I just say I'm straight wouldn't that be

Jorysufficient I mean if you're straight in excludes trans people then it's not just straight for everyone who's a

Jorywoman but it what very muches on people actually seeing the trans person as what they identify as if you don't see them as a woman then like yeah technically you're straight but that's not straight

Joryby everyone's definition so it's kind of will leave room for ambiguity ambiguity because other people will what is your let me have a little yeah what what is your definition of

TTS Donation Readerstraight people of opposite gender which is not sex Aristotle is donated $100 damn that guy is a homophobe short

TTS Donation Readertrans people should disclose that they're trans but do you really think gay sex is worse than an STD dang dude no one said

Alexathat did yeah do you think that gay let's not no no no we're not let's not go there I don't want to derail the conversation yeah let's not derail the conversation but um go

Joryahead I would say it's people of opposite gender who are attracted to each other and um okay Cy man and a trans woman are opposite gender so you could be

Joryattracted to each other and still be straight it is reasonable for someone else to assume just because you say you're straight doesn't exclude trans people but you're saying even a trans

Brian Atlasperson who has a penis yeah so what if okay so my understanding of what straight is

Brian Atlasstraight is short form slaying for heterosexual would you agree yeah okay so whether you're heterosexual or

Brian Atlashomosexual that seems to point towards sex not gender so when we say homosexual we mean same seex

Brian Atlasrelationship so how can it possibly be heterosexual for two males to in to be Roman ically or

Jorysexually involved well that hinges on your definition of it being specifically the definition though but it's not pull up but okay homosexual two males heterosexual male

Joryfemale my definition of it would be by

Mason Gregoiregender see this actually a tough one that's a tough one for me this actually kind of goes into the point that I I was going to make and I mean this as well as possible but one

Mason Gregoireof the uh Hallmarks for narcissism is that you you have internal issues you have internal struggles that you are

Mason Gregoireworking through and you expect everybody around you to to change to cater to those personal issues and that can

Mason Gregoirehappen in it doesn't necessarily mean in the realm of um of uh sex and gender it can also be in the realm of dating like if I my girlfriend um if I bring

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