FINAL SHOW?! Goth Alt Catholic E-GIRL Came To DEBATE/DESTROY Brian? WOKE GIRLS! | Dating Talk 275

Date: 2025-12-29

Duration: 10h 24m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAmelia/Barbie >

SSamantha (Notes)>

NNatalia Haime Hughes >

AAlina (Russia)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02KK DNA(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lynn(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kaylee Jay(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Alina (Russia)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Natalia Haime Hughes(guest)

SPEAKER_12Amelia/Barbie(guest)

SPEAKER_13Tavy(guest)

SPEAKER_14Samantha (Notes)(guest)

Key Moments

Intro7 guests introduced, KK DNA arrives later

Key MomentNatalia discloses schizophrenia diagnosis

ControversySamantha pulls out written notes on oppression, becomes running joke

QuoteNatalia reveals 100+ body count, frames past as BC (before Christ)

ControversyKK DNA: white people have genetic predisposition to colonize. Concedes on Barbary slave trade numbers.

OtherBrian wraps year-end show after ~10 hours

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

7 guests + KK DNA arrives later.

Natalia Schizophrenia

Natalia discloses schizophrenia diagnosis openly.

Age Gap Debate

Extended debate on age gap relationships.

Oral Sex Debate

Heated debate on oral sex obligations.

Wage Gap Debate

Samantha uses prepared notes. Extended debate.

Natalia Body Count 100+

Natalia reveals 100+ body count, frames as BC (before Christ).

KK DNA Colonialism Debate

KK DNA argues whites have genetic predisposition to dominate. Brian counters with Barbary slave trade.

Year-End Wrap

Brian reflects on 2025, commits to continuing in 2026.

Transcript

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Amelia/BarbieHe would never make me do that. I I want to say >> he's perfect >> for me. Yeah. And I want to say like, well, none of us are perfect. >> Exactly. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> So, you could get the perfect guy. >> I don't I don't have an answer for that cuz I mean I don't want to bow to nobody but God. >> No, thank you. Actually, so your current

Brian Atlasguy is perfect for you. >> For me? >> Yes. So, your current boyfriend asks you to do it. If he's perfect, he asks you

Amelia/Barbieto do it. Do you bow for him? Hypothetically, >> the magic the magic >> sense. Yes. >> The magic >> in the submissive sense. >> In the submissive sense, yes.

Tavy>> I don't think so. >> A long conversation. >> The perfect man. It's a long conversation. Got it. What about you? >> For the perfect Yes. >> For the perfect man, you would? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> I do know the perfect man. His name is

Brian AtlasJesus. And I'd be bowing every night. >> Okay. Realistically though, uh, if Jesus comes back to Earth, no offense, you're not you're not the first pick. So, um, like in human form, if he comes back in

KK DNAhuman form or whatever, like he's probably not going to [ __ ] Just saying. >> That was never met. >> He wouldn't [ __ ] anybody cuz he's a virgin. >> Yeah. >> Sweet. Jesus wouldn't even think that. >> All right. Well, you're the one [ __ ] trolling with your answer. So,

Brian Atlas>> is Jesus and God the same person in your mind? >> No. Trinity. So, uh, >> okay. the corp uh the in the in the real world

Brian Atlaslike of the the the men that exist right the perfect man hypothetical would you bow for him >> nope >> not even not the what's the justification again >> because I will only bow to Jesus

Tavy>> wives submit onto your husbands as you do unto the Lord >> wives [clears throat] submit to your husband wives don't idolize your husband >> that's not idolizing >> yes it is >> no it's not >> oh you're not on your word enough well obviously not but

Brian Atlas>> how would doing a Ow. Okay. Can I ask you a question? Yes. Do you think in uh Asian cultures that even there there is Christianity in various Asian countries. Do you think Asian cultures that observe

Brian Atlasuh this bowing behavior, do you think they're idolizing their husband or is it a show of respect? >> Um different. >> Yeah. I feel like that's so different. >> It doesn't matter. It wouldn't matter. >> They bow to each other. >> Logically, it wouldn't matter. >> No, because they're not Christian like me. I can't hold them to the same

Tavystandard. >> Hold on. Asian countries do have Christian population. >> Okay. People are also on different levels with Jesus. So people have different conviction. People have different convictions. >> You could go ask your pastor, your priest. It's not like idolizing somebody to bow to them. >> No, it is.

Brian Atlas>> No, it's not. >> No, he would. He Uh-huh. No. >> Okay. So these are Are are you saying that these uh people in Asian countries who happen to be Christian when they do

Brian Atlasa cultural bow to one another that is in controvention of Christian faith? >> Well, that's literally the difference though. Literally [laughter] >> they're bowing to one another. >> No, but they do the bow out of respect.

KK DNASo if I want each other, >> but they and no, when they get married, they have a showoff where the woman is supposed to bow and the man is supposed to bow and whoever goes >> Okay, I saw the stupid video. I know. >> It's the truth, right? So why are you saying it though? >> And I'm not commenting on anything that,

Tavyyou know, like I'm not a part of. Like if someone's Catholic, I wouldn't hold my standards to them. This is just my own personal opinion. So I especially don't know what's going on in Asia. But you acknowledge that there are Christian people in in Asia.

Brian Atlas>> Oh, I would hope so. Yeah. >> And they still bow to each other and it's not in contradiction to the Christian faith. >> Oh, no. I'm not them. >> Well, I'm telling you. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Yeah. You're welcome. [laughter] >> You're You're totally welcome. So,

Kaylee Jay>> thanks. >> The perfect You wouldn't bow for the perfect man. Okay. >> Yeah. Jesus. >> This girl is the most Christian girl I've ever seen. If she's saying it, then she knows. >> Perfect man. Would you bow for Would you

Samantha (Notes)bow for the perfect man? Um, I would like for him to bow to me, too. >> I want both of us. >> It's only one way. >> It's only one way. >> Um, okay. If he takes care of like everything, like all the bills, everything, then sure.

Brian Atlas>> He's billionaire. He's rich. Perfect. >> Okay. Sure. >> Okay. Perfect. Man, do you bow? >> She's not answering questions right now. >> That's my understanding. >> Um, >> tell me when you're ready to

Natalia Haime Hughesparticipate. >> I'm sorry. Um, so I agree with her. I just feel like as a personal um thing I would just be like well I'm in Japan maybe I'll bow to people out of respect

Natalia Haime Hughesbecause even at >> the perfect man would you bow to him >> it's not about the perfect man like in the perfect man because that's hypothetical >> that's the analogy analogy >> it's not you're not in Japan you're in the you're in the United States

Brian Atlas>> well then I'll put Jesus Christ as the perfect man >> right what about you >> yeah I would for the perfect man >> perfect >> all right um that's interesting how about

Amelia/BarbieUm, for the perfect man, you give up your career entirely. Can't work. >> And for this discussed so many times, if you can keep it as like an interest, I don't know what we concluded like if

Brian Atlasit's able to not make money off of it. >> How about let's let's I'll do a couple things. Uh, do you sing? Are you who's the singer? >> Who's the singer? That's you. >> Yeah, that's me. Us, too. >> That's you, too. Okay. Um, you can't go

Amelia/Barbieto raves anymore for the perfect man. >> Yeah, of course. I really like working in medical though. I feel like I would still like to like study that on the side if I gave that away. >> No, you can't. >> For the

Brian Atlas>> then so be it. >> For the perfect Okay. >> Um, you sing. Is that correct? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh, do you give up your career for the perfect man? >> My passion or my career where I make money? >> We'll ask two different questions. Your

Kaylee Jaycareer to start? >> My career where I make money. If I don't have a passion surrounding it, then I would love very happily to give that up for my man. >> I'll be so grateful. Come through. >> Uh, and then do you give up your is singing the passion that you're

Kaylee Jayreferencing? >> Yeah, writing songwriting and singing. Yeah. >> Okay. Do you give that up for the perfect man? >> I never would. And honestly, he would never want that cuz I would go insane. It's my therapy. >> It's your therapy. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um,

Brian Atlasperfect man. So, you're perfect man. Billionaire, good-looking, your type. Uh, perfect personality, perfectly loyal, perfectly everything, everything, everything. You don't give up singing for that. >> Like he would be like, "You're not allowed to write songs anymore and

Brian Atlassing." >> Well, do you do that at all for money, like for work, or is that strictly hobby? >> Both. >> I would love for that to be my main career. >> Still sing in the shower, but that's it.

Kaylee Jay>> No, my therapy is writing songs. I have over 700 songs in my notes. I would never be able to be with someone who was like, "Oh, you can't write songs and sing." That's actually >> if you can write songs for him and he pays you like he provides for you. So

Kaylee Jaythat's paying you >> as long as he if he would let me write songs and sing and he would let me have unlimited studio time and I could make the songs to fruition.

Kaylee Jay>> But how about you can't publish them? They can't be public. They're private for you and him. >> Well, so my life goals have to do with being successful in the world, which

Kaylee Jaycomes from using my voice and using my passion. Um, but if he was already a billionaire and he had all of the money and resources in the universe and I did not need to use my voice to be able to gain that level of resources which I

Kaylee Jayneed to change the world. >> Yeah. Crack the door, please. >> And he wants to give those to me to be able to freely do what I want >> more, >> then that's great. I that's skipping a whole step. That's a really big step for me to take. So, he's like cutting out

Kaylee Jaythis whole middleman thing and letting me actually get to like the life that I want, which is, you know, building orphanages, providing clean water for people in the world, providing food for people. Like, if I was able to do that without having to release music, I would

Brian Atlasnot care about releasing music, but I would still have to write it for my mental health, >> but it could be just private for you. You're okay. You you do it for the perfect man. Uh, you give up your career for the perfect man.

Lynn>> So, I wouldn't classify being a business owner as a career. However, if my man wanted me to stay at home and be a real housewife, I would definitely do it. >> Okay. Give up your career for the perfect man. >> Absolutely.

Brian Atlas>> Anybody else a singer here or creative or something? Okay. Give up your career for the perfect man. >> Yeah. >> Give up your career. >> For Jesus Christ. Yes. [laughter]

Natalia Haime Hughes>> But I also write musicals. That's a random side note. >> All right. What about you? >> No, I wouldn't. >> Uh, and what do you do for work? >> I'm a singer. And I'm a songwriter. >> Okay. Uh, so you're an artist.

Brian Atlas>> Yes, I am. >> Okay. Um, so perfect man, billionaire, perfect good looks, perfect everything, everything, everything. Perfect in bed, perfect personality, perfect loyalty, never cheats on you, never leaves you.

KK DNAUh, perfect everything. >> I mean, the only way I could >> You don't take the trade. >> The only way I could give that up is if I've already accomplished what I wanted >> right now. >> Yeah. No, I would never. I could be

Brian Atlaslike, I will introduce you to this perfect man right now, but you got to give it up right now. >> I would never be able to do it. >> Okay. >> Question for you. If I were to just give you $100 billion right now, no. Really,

Brian Atlasno strings attached except you have to give up your career and it's your money. You can use it however you want. Do you uh do you do that? >> No. I'm I'm sorry. I was born I wasn't born to be a wife. Like I was or I

KK DNAwasn't raised to be a wife. I was literally raised to be >> No. No. I I'm not talking about the man now. I'm just saying I have to >> No, I was I'm saying I was raised to be an artist, not just a rich person. Like I'm That's just I'm going to die in it.

Brian Atlas>> I'm going to die on that ill. >> I really am. >> I've been doing it too long. [laughter] >> Something's going to give. >> Damn. Y'all don't really know much about sacrifice. I feel like >> Well, actually, I know a lot about it. I

Brian Atlassacrifice a lot for my career. >> Wait, wait, wait. Perfect [ __ ] question. [laughter] >> Perfect question. You have a child.

Kaylee Jay>> Do you sacrifice >> your singing and songwriting for the life of your child? >> I would never have a kid before

Kaylee Jaybefore I was successful. >> That's not the question, is it? [clears throat] You have a kid? >> Well, what are my circumstances? >> Do you want kids >> to adopt them?

Brian Atlas>> You hold on. You don't want to have biological children? >> No. >> So, okay, you want to adopt kids. That complicates it to a degree. Although I believe you can have

Brian Atlas[sighs and gasps] Can you have the same love for an adopted child as a >> Yes, I'm deeply in love with the kid I used to nanny. >> It's possible. >> Like he's my world. >> Logically, it's possible. Um, >> it is.

Brian Atlas>> It does complicate the question a little bit because I do think there's a blood component. I would give up anything for if I had a kid and I had chosen to have that kid. >> Yeah.

Kaylee Jay>> If it was for the better of their life and for them to be if they was saving their life. >> Yeah. Would you give up? >> I would do anything for them. >> So for your kid, would you give up your singing and songwriting? >> To save their life.

Kaylee Jay>> Yeah. >> If it was to save their life. >> Sure. >> Sure. >> What about the betterment of their life? >> I don't think that's possible. They would be better off if I was singing and songwriting.

Kaylee Jay>> I wouldn't be able to be a mentally fit person. Like I wouldn't be able to be happy. >> Maybe you could just go to therapy for that though. >> No. >> You do realize that a lot of people >> My therapy is songwriting. As soon as I write a song and sing it, my therapy's

Kaylee Jayoff. >> It's total cope. You can people can survive in life uh without singing and songwriting. Some >> even you >> some people who are not born artists will never know this deep drive if you

Brian Atlasdon't create something just like God you know we are born creators we are natural creators the less you create the less happy you're going to be in life >> humans have an amazing capacity for adaptation

Brian Atlasuh I think you could find other coping mechanisms I think through your own force of will and constitution if singing and songwriting was off the

Brian Atlastable I think you could be be a functioning adult human. >> I just don't think there's a world where that is though. >> So if Hold on. So if you if somebody

Kaylee Jaylike somehow prevented you from doing that, would you rather be dead? >> Yeah. I think there's no I don't have a purpose on earth if if I'm not going to get where I'm going to get with music, >> which is where where you going?

Kaylee Jay>> Helping people >> with music. >> Yeah. With my voice. >> Hold on.

Kaylee JayRepeat that. >> Helping people with my voice, >> with your music. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the that's the start. You know, there's a starting point and where that takes off. But when

Kaylee Jayyou share your voice, for one, people connect to you and then you build a community and then you build a like-minded community and then there's more and more support and then you can take over the world. You can clean the

Kaylee Jaywater, you can clean the ocean, you can clean the planet, you can help the children have food, help the children have h homes, like you can the more people are connected to each other, the more people sharing their voice with

Kaylee Jayeach other and connecting through that community, the more possibilities there are. And that's in my mind getting there is through my music. I've already connected to so many people I would have never connected.

Kaylee Jay>> Could you do could you do all of that with money? All of those things. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. I but my purpose in life is to get there with music. Like God has shown me my path, given me my gift, and my gift is writing

Brian Atlasand and telling a story that connects with people. >> How about this question? >> Through music, >> let's say your musical dreams could all be achieved, but you can't do all those

Brian Atlasthings you listed that were secondary to your achievement in music. So like paying for the orphanages or whatever, >> getting clean water for everyone. >> Clean water. So, let's say that you had

Brian Atlasto pick one. Clean water for everybody, building orphanages, all the other things. >> Yes. >> No music career. >> Yes. >> Or music career, but none of those things.

Kaylee Jay>> The latter. >> So, with the perfect man, >> I was telling you if if Yeah. If he had everything and I could do all of that stuff, I would love to skip the step of trying to get out in the world and whatever, spread my whole voice. I would

Brian Atlasbe okay with just >> I'm I'm confused. No, but I'm confused. Let's say no but in the >> but I would still make music in my >> No but in the scenario hold on but in the scenario I said you can't do music

Kaylee Jayyou can't song right if you had to choose between the two so it's song write do music >> well publicly right I mean I can do

Brian Atlaswhatever I want at home in bed >> no just you can't do anything at all >> uh you say you would pick the cleaning the water over

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. So if you had the perfect man, not only do you have the perfect man, he's got the perfect money, he can through through money, that problem can be solved. Yeah. Building or So why don't

Kaylee JayBut when I asked you, you have to completely abandon music and singing and blah blah blah >> for the perfect man, you said no. >> Well, I said if he would pay for all of that stuff and let me have free will, I

Brian Atlaswould I would choose that over it. >> But you can't even do the songwriting singing privately. >> Well, that's just weird. But why? >> It's a hypothetical. >> This just doesn't make sense.

Brian Atlas>> It's just not consistent, though. >> Like, am I not allowed to write at all? Am I not allowed to write poetry? I'm not I'm not allowed to write stories. Like, where does this end? >> It's a magic genie, so it's not even him asking it. It's not like, whoa, this is a weird ask. >> Okay, so the magic genie says, "Oh, you

Kaylee Jaycan have the perfect man with all of the money in the world. You can clean all of the water. You can provide food to people on on who are hungry. You can build through the perfect man. >> You can build all the homes you want to build. You can do everything you really want to do at the end of your goal. >> I can't sing

Brian Atlas>> in public. >> Both privately or publicly?

Brian Atlas>> I don't know cuz I'm just depressed if I don't sing or songwriter. I'm just depressed. >> I Okay, I'm just not even going to repeat it at this point. I going in circles. Um uh for you, do you want to

Brian Atlashave children one day? >> Um not necessarily no [snorts] to be >> Is it possible you could have children one day? >> No. Are you infertile? Fertile? >> Oh, no. Like, no. I just mean like

Brian Atlas>> you just don't want kids? >> Yeah. No, I don't. That's Yeah, I just don't want kids. >> Uh, do you have any siblings you care about? >> Absolutely. >> Uh, to save your sibling, would you give

Brian Atlasup your singing? >> Perfect. >> Yes, of course I would. >> Okay. All right. Uh, what about your parents? [snorts] I would of to say my mom or dad. >> Yeah.

KK DNA>> Yes, I would. But although they would kill themselves because they're the ones who invested so much in my career and they'd rather me not. [clears throat] But >> okay. Um it's just interesting y'all. I don't [sighs] know. Where's the sacrifice?

KK DNA>> I mean there there's a lot there's a lot more to sacri there's a lot of sacrifice in this. Do you know how much sacrifice I've put into this? >> Like really there's a lot of sacrifice.

KK DNAA lot of things that I wanted to do. A lot of discipline I had. Y'all are so like just >> what kind of music >> all day every day. >> So like as an artist so like army but I

KK DNAwrite like pop all of that rap all of that. So I work with a lot of different artists. >> Very cool. >> Thank you. >> How are you going to help people with singing though? Like your actual singing? >> You could inspire.

KK DNA>> Absolutely. >> Music is healing. Music is medicine. >> Music is powerful. >> Yeah. I think music can have a positive effect on somebody. But >> yeah, or you may be one of those people like, you know, they say there's like a

KK DNAthing there's people who like when they hear music, it literally is a it's a body thing. It's healing to people. Like there's that's why there's so many people who have huge fan bases. It's not just because they like their music. It's touching them. It's healing them in some

Kaylee Jayway, >> but it just may not be. You may not connect with music like that. and expressing like it's you helpress something that people don't know how to and you and you can express that for somebody across the world that you don't

Kaylee Jayeven know. Like the amount of messages I've gotten from people in random parts of the world. Oh, this song, these lyrics, this like changed my life. This gave me confidence. This did this for

Natalia Haime Hughesme. Like you music is such a beautifully powerful connective tool. I really love the comedic songs. I listen to like Bo Burnham and Flight of the Concords and

Natalia Haime Hugheslike so many um different musicians, but like I love comedy in music too. >> Mhm. Sabrina Carpenter kind of does that a little. >> Jack Black. >> Um

Brian Atlas>> period. >> How about this? Uh perfect career but lame man or perfect man and lame career

Amelia/Barbieor no career I guess. Perfect man and lame career or lame career and perfect man. Correct. >> Yeah.

Amelia/Barbie>> Uh I need the man to be perfect for me. >> Next.

Kaylee Jay>> Is he set on his career as a non as a perfect man? He's set on this shitty career. It doesn't sound perfect to me. You get the perfect career, but your man

Brian Atlasis lame. >> But he's But he's like a perfect man. >> You get the perfect man, but your career is lame. Which do you pick? >> Oh, I would never want to be with a lame man. >> So, which do you pick?

Samantha (Notes)>> So, whichever man I end up with that's an icon. >> So, lame career >> for me. >> For you. Yeah. Okay. What about you? >> Perfect man, lame career.

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Perfect man, lame career. Perfect man, lame career. I would uh unfortunately pick lame man perfect career because I would love to be hired by the Trump

Natalia Haime Hughesadministration. It's a big big ask, but I'm asking. [laughter] >> Okay. What about you? >> And I have to choose a man. Like I have to. Is one or the other? >> Yeah, one or the other.

KK DNA>> Here. >> Okay. Yeah, I guess. Um I Nah, perfect man. Lame career. >> Wait, but I thought >> because like I said, I wouldn't have chose a man at all. that. >> All right,

KK DNA>> perfect [laughter] man, no career. >> Okay. Um, >> if you're gonna have a man in your life, he might as well be as as close to perfect as he can be. >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, here we're going to do uh we're going to do I need to do like the Twitch and pull up my Instagram and all that [ __ ] Uh, TTS is 200. Read 100.

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Brian Atlaspoint. So, guys, I think we can do it. I think we just did 2,000. So, I think we can do it. Maybe by the end of the stream you guys can help me get to uh to

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Brian Atlasanything else. Uh oh, we already did this. #biglia matter. [snorts] Okay. Um and then uh let's see what we had to Okay, we're gonna do some questionnaire

Brian Atlasstuff. >> Uh and I think you Oh, you don't want children. Don't plan to have children. Medical condition. Uh yeah, we're not going to get into that. Sarro get or adopt.

Brian AtlasYou're pro-life, but you believe abortion should be accessible uh due to under the table abortions that happen. Yeah, that is true. Definitely.

Brian AtlasEven if abortion is illegal, women will go get like illegal abortions and there are uh probably health risks there because it's being done illegally. Uh

Brian Atlasbut as a Catholic and as somebody who considers themselves pro-life, uh it seems a bit conflicting.

Amelia/Barbie>> How do I justify in the 0.1% chance that an autistic girl ends up in that? I know it's only one point whatever. >> What do you mean autistic? >> Like a disabled person.

Amelia/Barbie>> Autistic Hold on. Autistic people can get have kids. That's not like >> I work full-time as a caregiver for fully disabled adults. I'm talking very low functioning. They're dependent on an

Amelia/Barbieexternal source. Listen, >> if that poor girl was to be assaulted and she had a medical condition on top of because most of the time it's stacked. >> If there's a chance she's going to die,

Brian Atlashow can I justify? >> Well, hold on. Let's let's get one thing clear here. Uh if your I don't know what the right word is, mental incapacity or

Brian Atlasyour mental uh retardation. [ __ ] it. Whatever. What what what's the >> what's the PC term? I don't know. >> Special abilities, but I say special abilities.

Brian Atlas>> If you're that mentally, yes, there is a degree of mental deficiency that Yeah. you they can't consent to sex. But you said autism like autis autistic women. >> You didn't let me finish what I was saying there.

Amelia/Barbie>> Well, I I don't know. I think now you're twisting it. >> No, you could have been more precise in your statement there. >> Okay. I apologize. Yes. So the individuals that I work with are fully dependent on external humans to take care of >> they can't consent. They can't

Amelia/Barbie>> sure >> and there's like I know of stories. So it's like in that case who am I to say

Amelia/Barbieif you're both going to be at risk why not have it accessible for the individual you know mother and child like who has a better chance at

Brian Atlas>> cuz what's the ladder? You know, I don't like it. I don't like >> Well, this is actually I've never actually heard this argument. What if a [ __ ] Sorry. Sorry. Sorry.

Brian AtlasWhat if a What is the term? What's the [ __ ] term? [clears throat] >> Mentally what? >> Intellectually >> intellectually disabled. I don't know what the term is. If you're

Kaylee Jayintellectually disabled, uh, and you're essay, that's a that's a new angle for the >> But it's valid, right? But is it only if

Brian Atlasthey're intellectually disabled? Like, you're not okay with anyone. >> So, let's go. How about this? Let's go ahead and grant in instances of rape. Hold on. In instances of life of the mother, rape, and incest, abortions are

Brian Atlasuh allowed. >> It should be accessible. Yeah. But how about uh like the 99% of abortions that are completely elective. There was no incest. Life of the mother is not a

Brian Atlasconcern. There was no rape. Are you are you fine with banning abortion in those circumstances? >> I would never. I could never. But I can't speak for other people.

Amelia/Barbie>> So you're pro-life for who? >> I'm against it. I would ban it. >> You don't even want children. You say you're pro-life. Then what does it mean? >> Did you hear what I just said? I would ban it. >> Oh, you would ban it >> except for those circumstances because

Brian Atlasit just doesn't sit >> well in my soul with my religion. >> All right. Well, I'm not going to have a deep dive on an abortion. >> That's that. But everyone, >> but uh Okay. Um

Brian Atlaswhat what were we getting into? >> What was the next thing? >> Oh, the questionnaire. Okay. Um as soon as she's back at the table, I'll get into it, I guess. Um,

Brian AtlasI'll get into those in a bit. Um, here, why don't we actually do

Brian AtlasSamantha? [clears throat] Uh, you say people of color can't be racist towards white people. Why is that? >> Can't be or can be? >> Uh,

Samantha (Notes)>> I think they can be racist towards white people. Well, I think if you are discriminating somebody against their like the color of their skin, then you're being racist. >> So, a black person can be racist towards a white person.

Brian Atlas>> I think a black person can be racist towards a white person. Can be >> not can't. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, then that was just perhaps a a mistake. Uh you say that men are more privileged in society than women. Why is

Samantha (Notes)that? Um, I think they're a bit more privileged because um of like their mentality towards one another. I feel like women are typically pinned against

Samantha (Notes)each other um when it comes to anything and men have more. >> Yeah, that's like a like a known thing like women are always pinned against each other like when it comes to like reality TV or when it comes to like when

Samantha (Notes)it comes to like a corporate job and stuff like that. Like women tend to like hate on one another which really sucks. They like divide them. Um when it comes to men, I feel like men are very like buddy buddy and they get along with each

Samantha (Notes)other really well. Um so that gives them an advantage in my opinion. >> I mean I I think that there's more collectivism among women than men. Um

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. I've had a personal like different experience. I think women tend to like back each other more like the sisterhood, the girls girl [ __ ] Uh I I see more

Brian Atlas>> I don't know if cohesion is the right word, but I don't know. >> Solidarity. Maybe >> solidarity is a good word. There's more like female solidarity. I think

Samantha (Notes)>> I would say I see more solidarity in men than I do women. Yeah, unfortunately. >> Um >> no. >> Yeah.

Brian AtlasOkay. Uh let's see. Um Tavy, you say uh you agree women are oppressed in the USA? >> Yeah, cuz >> how so?

Tavy>> Well, I think of it more towards safety. Like even just the other day, um I was having a casual chat with my co-orker and she told me that she almost got kidnapped five times. I'm like, dang, that's like more than usual. Like dang.

TavyAnd I I don't know. I don't hear a lot of um guys getting as um targeted or kidnapped. I know it happens, but I just feel like in when it comes to that and I feel like safety is such a big thing.

Tavy>> So, I mean maybe it is the case that women are more likely to be kidnapped. >> Mhm. >> However, I don't know what this has to do with oppression. >> Oh, that's that when when I thought of oppression, I thought ah kidnapphnapping [laughter]

Brian Atlaswomen more so than men. Oh, I mean >> perhaps this would be oppression, >> but like individual criminal actors, I don't know if that has to do with oppression.

Brian AtlasLike typically I think there needs to be some degree of like authority

Brian Atlasor like society. Like I don't know how I just don't see how that is oppression. >> Okay. Yeah, that's >> like bad thing bad things definitely happen to women.

Brian Atlas>> Bad things also happen to men. >> I don't know if I would consider any or every bad thing that happens to somebody I don't I wouldn't categorize all bad things that can or do happen as oppression. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Oppression seems to be something more specific. >> Okay. >> Is there Okay. >> I'm just like okay. I I just I guess I didn't understand the definition of oppression. >> Okay. Here I can Google it just for

Brian Atlasclarity. Um, typically it's like unjust treatment typically at the hand of so prolonged cruel or unjust uh treatment or control.

Brian Atlas>> I guess maybe under this definition it might uh >> poor Christina. >> I usually think of it more like in a structural or systemic sense though. >> Yeah. Not like

Brian AtlasI don't know like even if your girlfriend or boyfriend is being like physically violent towards you that's definitely [ __ ] up behavior but I

Brian Atlasdon't know if I would be like you're being oppressed like I don't know that I don't know. Um okay. Uh Amelia you say men are more privileged in society than women. How's that? There's only like one

Amelia/Barbieexample which is why I circled that which comes to safety >> which which is what >> safety like people have like recently somebody tried to get in my car when I parked in my back seat that doesn't happen to my boyfriend or to men as much as it will

Amelia/Barbiehappen to women >> men get carjacked >> trying to get in and attack you. >> Yes, I understand that. But overall it's just unarguably a fact that women are at more of risk by themsel in society.

Brian Atlas>> It's not true. Men are actually more likely to be victims of violent crime and the crime statistics uh show this. >> Of violent crimes. Yes. >> In total. Violent crime in total. >> Low key. They'd be picking fights though. Like whenever they see each

Brian Atlasother like, "Oh, you're staring a little too hard." "No, I'm not." Blah blah blah blah. So, I mean, they'd be fighting. >> Yeah. >> I mean, if if uh Yeah. If a guy's like staring at another guy, there's a chance

Brian Atlaslike depending on like the background, the socioeconomics, the culture. Uh yeah, that's like that's you want to fight. Uh if you're a chick and you're like staring at a dude, >> but

Natalia Haime Hughes>> you want to [ __ ] >> I'm I'm concerned about um Logan Paul's health because he's >> getting [laughter] he's getting um >> Hello, read the room. >> He's getting like attacked at his head

Natalia Haime Hughesand that can >> Sorry, sorry, I mixed him up. So, one of them [laughter] >> one of them who's boxing is creating head trauma and that can cause

Brian Atlas>> um serious brain damage that is really hard to reverse. >> What does what does a consensual boxing match have to do with like stranger danger violence in the street

Brian Atlas>> because if your brain is more damaged, you're more likely to be more violent. >> Sure. >> From my understanding, >> did you guys see the Wilson? >> Hold on. But the proportion of the

Brian Atlaspopulation that engages in professional boxing >> is really small. >> Well, like if you look at like >> Mike Tyson for example.

Alina (Russia)>> I got here. Take take it away. >> Brain damage happens when you punch. >> I'm not the host. Since when am I the host? >> You're the host now. You're the captain now.

Kaylee JayWhatever. [laughter] >> Guys, I'm so hungry. Me, too. If I could eat anything, I would have ramen. What about you? >> Just literally anything. Like a fruit.

Kaylee Jay>> A watermelon. >> Ooh, yummy. Tahin. >> Oh, no. >> Oh, >> fresh. Maybe with some lime on it. >> Oh, that's good. >> Facts, chat. What y'all want to eat,

KK DNAchat? Yo, matter of fact, y'all should follow me on Instagram so I can like be better at my career. You can follow me at KKDNA99. You know what I'm saying? You need a song,

Kaylee Jay>> hit us up. We'll write it for you. >> Yep. Follow me at Kaye J Music. K A Y L E J A Y Music. And go watch my YouTube

Kaylee Jayvideo called Just Be Sometimes. >> It's a song about just wanting to be, not think about surviving so much. I thought it was interesting though about the conversation that he was

KK DNAhaving about the violence thing because it's like >> he said that men are more likely to like like be more victimized in a certain way but it's just like yeah like by other men. >> Yeah. Kind of the problem. [laughter]

Amelia/Barbie>> I'm sorry. The man or the bear. I feel like we kind of skimmed over this, but like in what universe, not the LA that I've lived in, is a man walking alone at

Amelia/Barbienight in less danger than me, 115 lb blonde girl walking in LA at night, which I don't know in what context on >> either one of us would be doing that cuz that's just dangerous period for both

Alina (Russia)sexes. Yes, obviously bad things happen to men and bad things happen to women, but it's like >> don't you guys think like just physically you're at a bigger risk? Yeah, men are more capable of defending themselves

Kaylee Jayagainst other men. >> What Brian was saying, arguably, it's confusing to me. I'd like you to elaborate if you want to talk about that more. M the violent we're talking about how violent crimes we're all a little

Amelia/Barbiebit confused how they're more often against men and how she's confused >> cuz I was saying like like in I don't know in what case we'd be walking down

Amelia/BarbieLA at night my partner [clears throat] versus me you know >> Mhm. Who is statistically at a higher risk of being grabbed? >> Who's your boyfriend? Statistic. If

Brian Atlaswe're >> who's 115 lb and who's almost 200 lb. >> Wait, so that's a real thing? >> If we're talking about statistics, yes, men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. Anecdotally, I don't really know.

Amelia/Barbie>> By other men, you know, >> who do you think is more scared at the gas station at night? >> I don't know. Actually, I'm not sure. Speaking from experience, it feels like

Brian Atlasthe females one time. >> Who's who's more likely to be victimized versus who feels more scared? I don't care about how you feel. >> It's just happened to me before.

Brian Atlas>> It is maybe true that women feel more scared, but your actual threat level is might be not match up or >> Yeah. >> Uh coincide with the actual threat level that exists.

KK DNA>> No, real question. Can you like >> I've I did not know that. Can you bring that down? >> Chat GPT. Who's more likely to be >> chat GPT lies? So Google

Natalia Haime Hughes>> chat GPT lies. It's better to use um >> AI is not a good Google will give us AI answer. >> Don't use Google either. [laughter] >> Who's more likely to experience violent crime? Men or women?

Amelia/Barbie>> And at what percentage? >> It's but it's also think of it. I have another question man versus like women are typically abducted my size by larger people, right? and most likely a man. If

Brian Atlasit was forceful or it was violent, who stands a better chance? I think my fear is pretty justified. >> Like >> your fear. Well, we're not talking about fear justification. We're talking about

Brian Atlasjust raw crime statistics. >> I understand. >> So, the perpetrator irrelevant. I'm just talking about uh who's more likely to be the victim of violent crime, and that's men.

Kaylee Jay>> Especially if they have lead in their brains. >> Okay. Is it is it because men like because they have more money usually and they walk around with you know like with

Kaylee Jaythings on that make people attack them for their things or what like what is it >> Nick do you have the >> most of it is due to gang violence honestly >> to what >> gang violence

Natalia Haime Hughes>> and then the gang violence too again led is a big reason >> and this is 2025 >> hold on >> it says women are less likely >> what was agreeing with I just saw title and maybe it actually confirms my

Brian Atlas>> it. >> Does it confirm? >> I thought it was about to be some [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] women. All right, >> archives. >> All right, pull it up. Let me see what it says.

Natalia Haime Hughes>> I was hoping for just an AI thing. >> No, just pull it up. Pull up what you have. Pull up pull up what you have, please. >> I I do not trust chat GBT. I wanted to make that really clear. >> Okay. Women are less likely than men to

Kaylee Jaybe victims of crime. Title of the thing is women in America, but >> um >> it says females made up 70% of victims killed by an intimate partner. >> Women are but the first thing here make

KK DNAit bigger please. >> Women are less likely than men to be victims. >> What's the percentage though? Like is it like and what kind of >> 50 you know like is it barely? >> The probability being a victim of a violent crime, assault, robbery,

Brian Atlashomicide has declined among both men and women last decades. Don't listen to these girls, bro. Just ask AI. AI is going to give you a fine answer. >> But be careful about chat GBT.

Brian Atlas>> Always fact check like crazy. >> Yeah, you can. But AI can give you the correct answer. Holy [ __ ] >> I like chat GPT a lot. >> I think that would be better. >> What do you mean? >> Do you want the AI over?

Brian Atlas>> Sure. >> Okay. This is from Google. Men are more likely to be victims of violent crime overall and by strangers. you should try duck duck go. >> The IPV thing is [ __ ] And then uh even the essay stuff is questionable.

Brian AtlasBut >> but women face disproportionate risks in specific areas like >> and men face disproportionate risks in other areas. >> Gang, what's the percent?

Brian Atlas>> Where's the percentage? I don't see any real numbers here. Like >> I'm sorry, but >> here just ask me from like chat GPT or something and then we'll have it. Uh but I mean in any

Brian Atlascase, we have a couple different sources there affirming that men are more likely to be victims of violent crime. >> I didn't know that actually. >> Yeah, they are. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> And actually just I guess one perspective on this is >> you'd say if you're just walking around alone, let's say you're walking around

Brian Atlasin a crowded area. I think if I get jumped by a random person, nobody's coming to help me. You, how how much do you weigh? How tall are you?

Brian Atlas>> 53, 115. >> Yeah. Uh, if you're in an area where there's other men present and some [ __ ] whack job man starts beating on

Brian Atlasyou versus beating on me, I'm getting my ass whooped and nobody's coming to intervene. >> The police because the odds are disproportional. How do I >> Some guy starts, hold on. If some guy

Brian Atlasstarts thrashing on you, you have free bodyguards. And in fact, if a if if stranger men see a stranger woman getting beat up by a stranger man or any

Brian Atlasman for that matter, uh that guy's going to get [ __ ] curb stomped by >> totally random other men. This is undeniable. No, not just maybe. Yes,

Brian Atlasit's a thing. Absolutely a thing. If men will intercede on behalf of completely random, nonfamilial, [ __ ] random ass women, >> we would hope that, but my friend just

Kaylee Jaygot attacked in West Hollywood. Tons of witnesses by some random homeless man started beating her face in and not a single person tried to help her. Not a single person until the cops that this

Kaylee Jayis 100% >> and she's a beautiful tiny little blonde girl. Like she if someone was going to help some cute little girl, it was going to be her. No one helped her in the middle of West Hollywood. >> Were there other men around? >> She was in the middle of West Hollywood. There's tons of people.

Brian Atlas>> So, what I'm talking here is not a monolith. I'm not saying in every single instance where a woman is getting attacked by some random dude, there's going to be like a brave By the way, uh

Brian Atlasyou like to say by who? The men are uh you know, the men are committing all these crimes. Uh if somebody's going to intercede on behalf of a woman, it's not going to be another woman. It's going to be a man. >> Right?

Brian Atlas>> Men dominate when it comes to courage. Men dominate when it comes to bravery. So yeah, maybe men do some of the bad things. Also, when it comes to life saving, when it's come when going to come to bravery, when it's come come to

Brian Atlascourage, when it's coming to pull you out of a fire, out of your burning house, when it's going to saving you in some sort of emergency situation, overwhelmingly going to be a man. So, we

Brian Atlasneed to put a little respect >> on men's name in that regard. >> I agree with that. But I do feel like

KK DNAit's just just it's just a little odd to make that comparison because I feel like okay, yes, a man would like more than likely probably come to jump to help the woman, but it's because it's a

KK DNAdisproportionate odds you have. You stand a better chance at defending yourself against another man. She wouldn't. And I think the question would be, would a man come in if she was getting jumped by other women? He would let that rock and she would be there by

KK DNAherself. he wouldn't be pulling them apart because that's the equal to that. >> You're equal to you getting jumped to a man is equal to that. It's not equal when a when men are jumping women.

Brian Atlas>> So I I would say in response to that that >> So a man attacking her versus a woman attacking her. I would tend to generally agree with you that men are less likely

Brian Atlasto intervene if it's two women fighting. I think that that's fair to say. Uh, however, I mean, I don't really care comparatively in the sense that um, you

Brian Atlasknow, I I think would a man be more likely to break up two women than break up two men? >> Uh, I don't know. Um, >> I see I see that. I see what you're

Brian Atlassaying. >> But, uh, there there's no there there's no counter where uh, like women don't

Brian Atlasintervene period. So, like if a woman sees uh like w will stranger women like let's say

Brian Atlasyou see a a guy getting his ass whooped by a chick or you see a chick getting uh her ass whooped by a guy. Women aren't really going to intercede in either. And

Brian Atlasif a woman sees two men fighting, they're not going to intercede either. >> I don't agree. >> I agree. >> I would. >> Okay. Congrat. >> I have before. >> Generally, yes, of course. Uh great. Some women You feel like it's You feel

SPEAKER_01like that's an exception, not the rule. >> It's the exception, not the rule. >> Um, >> do we have the thing? >> Yeah. I I don't know. >> I got something that's a little bit better. I had to

Brian Atlas>> male homicide victim. >> Yeah, this this is homicide. It looks like there's multip There's like going to be other things like violence. >> So, yeah, men are almost like four times as likely to be murdered. >> Yeah, it doesn't. >> Wow. I

Brian Atlas>> I did not know that. >> And it doesn't want to give >> men's violent victimization rates are usually higher assault robbery than women's. >> Women Women experience higher rates of sexual violence.

Brian AtlasOkay. There are some studies that seem to counter that, but I'm not going to get into that right now. Um, so I mean this you're talking about this ultimately you were talking about >> I'm talking about like

Amelia/Barbie>> men are more privileged in society because of safety, but it seems like >> like CX trafficking like stuff like that like assault and stuff but that that's what it just said right there is except

Amelia/Barbiefor that category I think in violence yes violence and then the assault for women it's two different categories but they're at the same field they you know they dominate the side >> violence is way more frequent than trafficking

Amelia/Barbie>> you have a statistic on that that's like it's a huge thing >> I mean we can probably just pop it in AI can you just be like how many but that poses a bigger threat to me statistically according to what you just showed me than violence does. >> Right.

Amelia/Barbie>> So are you saying >> but men are still sex trafficked especially? >> Of course. >> Boys. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And I feel like boys are almost more >> and most of the time that's women who are approaching younger women. >> I mean

Brian Atlas>> so that's even a lower rate of getting help if you see three women fighting. You know two women come up to me. >> All right. We're just not going to linger on that too long. Um uh Kaylee, you say women do not have equal rights

Kaylee Jayto men in the USA. Why is that? >> Um, there's still a wage gap. Men still make more than women in America and have the opportunity to do so. >> Is there Okay, besides the wage gap, is there any rights unequal rights, I guess.

Brian Atlas>> Well, they're, you know, they're trying to take women's bodily autonomy away. >> Trying. >> Well, I mean, Roie Wade was overturned, but that pushed it back to the states.

Brian AtlasWomen still do have abortion rights in the states. So I don't think women are what would this have to do with equal rights though? >> Well, it's equal rights. If a man gets to pick what he does with his body and then a woman should get to pick what

Brian Atlasthey do with their body. >> Men don't have bodily autonomy. Well, depends what we mean, but >> Yeah. What do you mean by that? Yeah. Well, I mean

Brian Atlasmen and women have generalized bodily autonomy, but like it's not bodily autonomy is not at least for men uh completely free. I I don't know if free

Brian Atlasis the right word, but >> what forced military conscription? Men are subject to uh the draft. Women aren't. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Uh, also, but >> just relating it to abortion, uh, >> I I don't see what h what that has to do with equal rights.

KK DNA>> Men don't have any reproductive rights. >> Well, they can get a vasectomy without having to ask their husband permission for like, you know what I'm saying? And things like that. >> Women can women can heard women have way

Kaylee Jaymore birth control options. And also, yes, women, you can sterilize yourself if you're so inclined. Well, yeah, but most doctors won't unless you're over 25. And if and especially if you have a partner, they want your partner's consent.

Kaylee Jay>> That's not true. Fake news. >> No, it's common. My mom got her My mom got her [ __ ] tied. They wanted if she didn't have medical issues that led to that. >> It's a myth. It's a feminist myth. No, it's not.

Brian Atlas>> It's a complete feminist myth in the modern day in recent maybe some doctor [ __ ] 70 years ago was like, "Oh, you need your husband's permission." Uh, it's fake news. A woman does not need her her partner's consent to be

Kaylee Jaysterilized. >> No, you don't need it. But there are but a lot of doctors ask like I've asked my doctor about being sterilized and they're like, "Oh, well, just wait till you're older." Like they want women to

Kaylee Jayhave like to have some, oh, I want to have a baby one day. You know, like they they want you to get to a point where someday you'll think that instead of letting you choose that when you're at a

Brian Atlasyounger age. Well, I mean, I think it's uh kind of a prudent thing for doctors to do to be like, "Hey, this is irreversible." >> Yeah. >> Uh maybe one day you might want to have children. Women have robust birth

Kaylee Jaycontrol options as compared to men. >> Uh so, >> well, they didn't make birth control for men because there were too many side effects. So, they just gave birth control to women because they wanted

Brian Atlaswomen to have to deal with all the side effects. physiologically easier hormonally to create birth control for women. >> So they say, >> "What do you mean?" It's just actually

Brian Atlastrue. Like the the manner in which you need to to be able to stifle men's ability to like generate sperm or whatever. Uh that is I don't know if the right word is like chemical that's

Kaylee Jaybiologically chemically more complicated. >> Okay. Okay. But it but they tried it and it's very easy and possible. They just didn't want men to have to deal with the side effects.

Kaylee Jay>> Yeah. But I mean, also the side effects reported were far more severe than side effects reported by women. >> No, they weren't. >> Yes, it was. >> There's severe side effects in all the birth controls right now.

Brian Atlas>> It was the study the study was discontinued. uh the side effects in the stud this male birth control study you're citing were far more severe than uh the sort of generalized reported side

Brian Atlaseffects that women experience from like your sort of basic hormonal birth control. Chemically speaking, it's far easier the the birth control mechanism

Brian Atlasfor women is far easier to control for than like changing changing that in men. >> I mean there's some pretty severe side effects for women. I feel like it can be. Yeah, absolutely.

Brian Atlas>> But like so that's why I'm asking like what were the side effects from? And like was it death or something like >> I don't remember off the top of my head, but I mean here I'll just Google it

Brian Atlasbecause I don't remember that. Um uh what were side effects uh for failed male birth control experiments or whatever. Um, >> I mean, a side effect of the birth

Kaylee Jaycontrol I used to be on for seven years was brain tumors and cancer and death and and suicidal ideiation and every possible bad thing there could be. So, how is it worse? How could it possibly

Brian Atlasbe worse for men? It's the worst possibilities. >> Uh, let's see here. The researchers decided the side effects were too frequent. Mood related effects

Brian Atlaswere especially concerning. the risk [snorts] benefit balance wasn't acceptable at the time. Um, they're saying major mood swings, irritability, depressive symptoms, emotional changes.

Brian AtlasI think they're downplaying a little bit. My my understanding was it was very severe side effects for for the men. Not to say that that can't happen in women, but my understanding is a lot of women

Brian Atlasuh while they can have really bad side effects from the birth control, I think for most women, birth control is decently tolerated. >> Well, they've made so many different kinds that, you know, if one is causing

Brian Atlasthose issues in one woman, you can try again. You know, >> there's a lot of options, but okay. >> Instead of >> equal rights though, equal rights. Uh women do not have equal rights to men. You said the abortion thing. I don't see >> I was mostly thinking about the wage gap and opportunity.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. But I mean just really quick uh men don't have any choice once a woman gets pregnant. Women do have quite a few different choices. I think if you actually wanted to have equality between

Brian Atlasmen and women you would actually have to completely like to match to match women to the current status of so I think women are up here right now when it comes to reproductive rights. men down

Brian Atlashere in order and you can't really bring men up here, I believe. So, in order to have equal rights between men and women on the reproductive rights abortion topic, you have to bring women down here

Brian Atlasto match men to make it equal. That means completely getting rid of abortion rights. >> No. >> So, women could not get abortions. >> What? >> That would be her body technically. No, but technically I see what he's saying.

Brian AtlasIf you think about it logically, that would that be equal? So if if a woman gets pregnant, does the man have any say whatsoever? >> Okay. So then, right, >> to bring to create equality between men

Brian Atlasand women, you'd have to bring women down to not having any say. >> That's the only way you would have equality. That's why feminism isn't actually about equality >> or them having equal say.

Brian Atlas>> Well, hold on. But even the pro-choicers are going to have a massive issue with a man uh having a say as to if a woman gets an abortion. I see >> that's not going to fly for

KK DNApro-choicers. >> But that's what would have to happen for it to be, you know, it would have to come they would have to come down from that authority. >> But that's never >> it's never going to happen. Of course not. >> Pro-choicers would probably fight that

Brian Atlas>> more than I I feel like they would object. Actually, let me think about that. I think pro-choicers would if they had to choose between men being able to

Brian Atlasforce women to get abortions versus not allowing to get abortions. I'm almost thinking they become pro-life. I'm almost thinking,

Brian Atlas>> you really think they are that that >> to prevent men from being able to dictate to women that women have to get an abortion? I think they become pro-life. I think that's the case.

KK DNA>> I do not agree with that. >> I'm too tired to follow. Like I kind of got lost. >> He's he's basically saying that he doesn't think the real problem when it comes to men having a certain authority or say if a woman can have a baby or

KK DNAnot. He doesn't think the actual problem is if if the woman wants to have the baby at that point. It's the fact that the man has to say, "Oh, so if you if you have say in if I can have this child

KK DNAor not, or let's say you can tell me not to have a baby, oh, I'm pro-life then because you have a say kind of thing." >> Is that kind of like what you're saying? >> No, but sort of. I guess.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> In some dumb down way, you know, >> I'm lost. >> No, I'm saying that um Okay. Well, so if we're having a conversation of making things equal, >> so

Kaylee Jay>> well, but okay, if we're making it equal, then men need to be able to carry the child, too. Okay, cuz it's not equal that one person has to carry and give life to this thing. That's not equal. The decision obviously should be up to this person. And it is more equal that

Kaylee Jayit is up to them because they're the one who have to go through the experience of bringing this life to be versus this other person has literally no attachment to this in the physical at all. that there's no mechanism for men to carry a child.

Kaylee Jay>> Well, I know. So, I'm just saying exactly. It doesn't make you can't make it equal. It's never going to be equal because a woman still has to go through that. So, if you drop a woman's ability to choose down, that's still not equal because the man isn't going to have to

Brian Atlasdo [ __ ] after that. >> I mean, the only So, there's equal and then there's equity. So I think equity would be in any state where a woman can have an abortion. Uh men should be able

Brian Atlasto completely uh let's say the woman wants to keep the kid and the man doesn't. Obviously you can't force the woman to have the abortion. Uh but the man can completely

Brian Atlasrelinquish any parental responsibilities and not be subject to child support. If women can murder their children, men should at least be able to abandon their children.

Brian Atlas>> I need you. [laughter] What's that? >> And they do on the rag. >> So if you're a man, so if you're a man >> uh and you don't want to have a kid and the woman keeps the kid, that woman

Brian Atlaswoman can force you uh through the state, through the government to pay child support. So I you can be like, look, I don't want to

Brian Atlasbe in the kid's life. Yeah, the he can do that. You can't force a man to be a father, but you can definitely force the man to relinquish large portions of his

Brian Atlasincome to a financially supported child that he didn't want. >> Well, nobody had ejaculate inside of a woman. >> Great. That's a great bronze a bronze age argument that we could use against

Brian Atlasabortion. Nobody forced the woman to have consensual sex. >> Nobody forced the woman to allow the the man to come inside of her. So these same arguments would have to be you'd have to accept them for abortion.

Brian Atlas>> I personally >> Or is it or is it only men that have responsibility? Is it only men that are accountable? Women not you can get women you get pregnant, you can get out of it. You have no accountability.

Brian Atlas>> It's both. Yeah. >> Yeah. They share equal parts. >> There is a dual responsibility. >> Yeah. >> She doesn't agree though. >> No, I do. You said, "Yeah, but you would not accept the argument.

Brian AtlasYou wouldn't accept a pro-life argument of,"Well, you just shouldn't have opened your legs. You shouldn't have got pregnant. You should have uh used protection. You should have been on birth control." No. You probably believe, are you pro

Brian Atlaspro-life or sorry, pro-choice? My mistake. Pro-choice. >> Yes. >> Okay. I suspect that if a woman, assuming she, let's say she had consensual sex with her boyfriend and she got pregnant, uh, let's say it's an

Brian Atlasunwanted pregnancy, >> and let's say she's not ready or she's not financially ready, she just doesn't want the kid. I'm assuming your position would be, yeah, she can get an abortion.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, it's her body. >> Okay. So, why don't you grant that same exemption to men?

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