FINAL SHOW?! Goth Alt Catholic E-GIRL Came To DEBATE/DESTROY Brian? WOKE GIRLS! | Dating Talk 275

Date: 2025-12-29

Duration: 10h 24m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAmelia/Barbie >

SSamantha (Notes)>

NNatalia Haime Hughes >

AAlina (Russia)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02KK DNA(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lynn(guest)

SPEAKER_05Kaylee Jay(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_09Alina (Russia)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Natalia Haime Hughes(guest)

SPEAKER_12Amelia/Barbie(guest)

SPEAKER_13Tavy(guest)

SPEAKER_14Samantha (Notes)(guest)

Key Moments

Intro7 guests introduced, KK DNA arrives later

Key MomentNatalia discloses schizophrenia diagnosis

ControversySamantha pulls out written notes on oppression, becomes running joke

QuoteNatalia reveals 100+ body count, frames past as BC (before Christ)

ControversyKK DNA: white people have genetic predisposition to colonize. Concedes on Barbary slave trade numbers.

OtherBrian wraps year-end show after ~10 hours

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

7 guests + KK DNA arrives later.

Natalia Schizophrenia

Natalia discloses schizophrenia diagnosis openly.

Age Gap Debate

Extended debate on age gap relationships.

Oral Sex Debate

Heated debate on oral sex obligations.

Wage Gap Debate

Samantha uses prepared notes. Extended debate.

Natalia Body Count 100+

Natalia reveals 100+ body count, frames as BC (before Christ).

KK DNA Colonialism Debate

KK DNA argues whites have genetic predisposition to dominate. Brian counters with Barbary slave trade.

Year-End Wrap

Brian reflects on 2025, commits to continuing in 2026.

Transcript

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Brian AtlasWelcome to the Whatever Dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape. I'm your host, Brian Atlas. Uh before we get into a few quick announcements, I'm going to have the guests introduce themselves.

Brian AtlasSo, go ahead. >> Hi, my name is Amelia. I'm from Los Angeles. I'm 21. I'm a caretaker and a phabotamist. >> All right. Uh caretaker, phabotamist.

Amelia/BarbieAnd you also are a techno. What is in your thing? How do you describe yourself? >> It's just like an aesthetic. Like I like the cyber aesthetic. I do a lot of raves and festivals, things like that.

Amelia/Barbie>> Techno cyber doll as you call it. Okay. Uh so any college? >> I did some college. I did some nursing. I didn't complete it cuz I decided to go to trade instead which was phabbotomy. Mhm.

Amelia/Barbie>> I might return to nursing school in January or continue with medical assistant. I'm not quite sure yet. >> And you're you're from LA? >> I am German, but I live in LA. Yes. >> But you were were you born in Germany? >> No, my my family was though and my dad

Amelia/Barbiemoved here when he was a baby. >> Cuz I detect a bit of an accent, although [laughter] I I can't quite place it. Do you speak German? >> Bian. >> Was German your first language? >> Yes. No. Uh it was at the same time. I went to German school when I was a

Amelia/Barbiechild. Uh, my family spoke German to me, but what's not practiced is lost as most things go. So >> Oh, you you went to a German school here in the United States? >> Yes. >> I see. Okay. So, Ger German was your first language.

Brian Atlas>> It was that it was equal to English when I was growing up. >> Okay. Well, you you used both. Um, >> yes. >> And then do you speak any other languages? >> Uh, a little bit of Spanish. >> A little bit of Spanish. Okay. And sorry, you uh grew up where in

Kaylee JayCalifornia? >> I grew up in Los Angeles. >> Oh, in California. Gotcha. What about you? I'm Kaylee Jay. I'm 28. Um, I'm a personal assistant and massage therapist and I live in LA. I grew up in southern

Kaylee JayOregon, though. >> All right. Any uh college educ education or >> No, no, I make music. Yeah, I just >> You make music? You sing? You rap? >> I write and sing. >> Write and sing. Okay.

Lynn>> I have some songs that I maybe rap a little bit on, but it's more of like a Okay. >> hip-hop R&B flow. >> Gotcha. All right. And uh what about you? >> Hi, my name is Lynn. I'm 30 years old.

LynnI'm from the San Francisco Bay area, but I've been living in LA for the past two to three months. I'm a business owner. I own the Hourglass where I sell waist trainers and postsurgical fajas. And as far as education, I have a degree in

Brian Atlassociology >> from uh what university? >> Sacramento State. >> Sacramento State. Okay. And that's you have a bachelor's degree. Okay. >> In so sociology, you said? Yes. >> And uh you're 30 now. When did you

Brian Atlasgraduate? >> Um four years ago. >> Four years ago. Okay. >> And uh so it's it was uh four years ago. Can you tell us maybe I mean you do have

Brian Atlasyour degree in it. Um have you been using your degree at all for what you do currently as your profession? >> Absolutely not. >> Do you feel like it was a a waste of time? I wouldn't say a waste of time

Lynnbecause you know it gives you the basis for understanding >> society and >> okay >> having people skills however I don't use it. >> Can you tell us um seeing as it was your

Brian Atlasmajor I I assume there's must be something still there. Can you tell us maybe the three biggest takeaways from having studied and major majored in and gotten a degree in uh sociology? I

Lynncouldn't. It >> was just four years ago. >> That's true, but I don't use it. >> How about Okay, maybe three is a big ask. How about one biggest takeaway? >> Um, the biggest takeaway is that everyone's influenced by something. You

Lynnthink your opinion or your thoughts are original. However, it's all based on, you know, how you grew up and your environment. >> But I I I Aren't there technical terms

Brian Atlasin sociology? >> Nature versus nurture. Well, I'm a City College dropout and I think I heard about nature versus nurture in elementary school, right? >> Um, can you

Brian Atlasis there like something you could point to that perhaps the common person might not know from your education in sociology? >> No, >> it's not nothing.

Brian Atlas>> Nothing. >> And question for you. Did you um Sacramento State? That's a public school. Uh and you're from California. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And did you like do you have student loans or

Lynn>> No. >> Was it Did you get a scholarship or how does >> No, your parents paid for it. >> You you paid for it. How how much was the total tuition? >> Um I think probably like 15,000. >> 15.

Brian Atlas>> It wasn't much. >> And then I mean of course taxpayers subsidized some of that. You know, I kind of wonder if we should do away with some of these soft sciences.

Brian AtlasUm, I I don't know if does sociology contribute anything to I guess question

Brian Atlasfor you. Does sociology actually contribute anything to society? >> Um, it can. If you plan on being a social worker or something of that nature, however, >> do you need to take sociology to be a

Brian Atlassocial worker? Isn't that a its own discipline? Uh social work. Yeah. Like can't you major >> in social work? >> Yeah, it can be. >> Okay. So, sociology it's just Did you have to take like feminist studies classes for that or

Brian Atlas>> women's studies? Yes. >> How many women's studies classes did you have to >> um just one? >> One one class. Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, it's my my uh my

Brian Atlascrosshairs aren't uniquely only on sociology, but a lot of these soft sciences soft sciences. Uh I don't I think they got to go at

Brian Atlasleast the taxpayer. You look, you want to go to private school where they teach that [ __ ] and the taxpayer isn't subsidizing at all. But uh dance, why

Brian Atlasare we te subsidizing dance dance majors for a university? D what what are the other [ __ ] majors? No offense to

Brian Atlasyou, but there's dance. >> I I'm not saying like dance has an artistic value, but you can go to ballet school. You can that should be a more

Brian Atlasprivate uh endeavor. I don't think taxpayers should be funding women to learn jazz at [ __ ] Berkeley or whatever, you know,

Brian Atlasthese universities. Um, but uh what what are some of the other soft sciences? All the >> all the all the grievance all the grievance studies, the gender studies,

Brian Atlas>> all the grievance studies. I think we just got to do away with it to be honest. >> No offense. >> None taken. But I mean, you yourself even admit in your current uh field of

Brian Atlaswork, you don't utilize really anything from sociology or that you learned in college. >> Probably less than like 10%. >> Yeah. And I mean, look, you could probably say that about even uh

Brian Atlasdisciplines that are worthwhile, you know, the STEM fields, the science, the, you know, the math, physics. You could go study physics and

Brian Atlasgo into a field that has nothing to do with physics. Although I do wonder uh if the taxpayer should be STEM I'm fine. I'm actually my prescription would be uh

Brian Atlaswe fully pay for you want to study physics you want to study some sort of engineering we pay for that fully but we have to completely defund

Brian Atlassoft science [ __ ] Uh sociology what are some what are the stupid soft sciences? Calm. >> Calm. Calm can go. >> Psychology probably can go. I think I'm

Kaylee Jayokay with Is that what you studied? No, you didn't. >> Well, no, but I took psychology classes. I think psychology is very helpful for even just moving through life every day.

Kaylee JayYes. I think I think it is. I think I've applied more in my psychology class that I learned and I took for one half of a year than any other class in my entire >> Have you ever been to therapy?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> No. Uh so psychology typically people who study psychology uh I think there is some I'm not saying psychology is completely useless the study of it. Um, but like as it's in

Brian Atlasterms of its application for counseling therapy, all these therapists are seeing a therapist. Your therapist who's giving you advice,

Brian Atlasthey're all [ __ ] up, too. And they're seeing a therapist. I'm like, hold on. You're telling me how I got to think, but you're all [ __ ] up. Really? I don't know. I think therapy is

Brian Atlaskind of [ __ ] but that's another conversation. Okay. Good talk. Um, nothing. One thing from sociology >> I couldn't tell you. >> Nothing. You don't even I don't know. You wrote an essay. You remember your essay you wrote? >> Um, I couldn't tell you, honestly.

Tavy>> All right. Okay. That's fair. That's fair. Uh, all right. What about you? >> I'm Tavy. I'm 22. I'm a barista and a life insurance agent. And I'm a college dropout. >> College. Okay. Were you were in college though?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay. And uh, sorry, you said you're from where? I might have missed. >> Uh, Stockton. >> Stockton. Like grew up there. Born there. >> Yeah. Okay. College dropout. So, were you in uh city college, four-year? >> Uh city college. The

Tavy>> What were you studying? >> Uh I was doing psychology >> and then I was going to stop >> Yeah. [laughter] I was going to stop that and then uh do radiology so that way um my only goal was to be in pink

Samantha (Notes)scrubs with my bestie, but then uh we both decided we hate chemistry and dropped out. >> Okay. All right. Good times. Good times. What about you? Um, I'm Samantha. I'm

Samantha (Notes)25. I was born and raised in Los Angeles. Um, I went to community college for like two years, dropped out. Um, I'm in

Samantha (Notes)marketing. >> I am just kind of like a team member who helps out. >> All right. And uh, you uh, you went to college, you said, or >> I went to community college for like two

Natalia Haime Hughesyears. >> I went to community college for like two years. >> What? What were you studying? >> Business. >> Business. Okay. >> All right. What about you? >> My name is Natalia Haime Hughes, which

Natalia Haime Hughesis a long um last name I could spell, but I'm not going to talk about my age and location respectfully. Um if >> Well, I mean, you're are you from California or can you say your state?

Natalia Haime Hughes>> California. >> Okay. And can you you won't talk about your age? Why is that? Um there's there's like supernatural things that I don't understand. So just to protect

Natalia Haime Hughesmyself, I would like to be a little restrictive about the information I send share with publicly. >> There's what do you mean supernatural things?

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Um so uh God spoke to me and there's also other forces that are dangerous and >> what what are the other forces? >> Uh like demonic forces.

Natalia Haime HughesSo just to be >> just casual conversation >> everywhere [laughter] >> they are. >> So when you say God God spoke to you he spoke to you >> through my thoughts

Brian Atlas>> just now >> this was in 2023 March March 3rd 2023 about >> and there's a preclusion from you

Brian Atlassharing your age. God spoke to you directly and said if you go on any podcasts be sure not to share your age.

Natalia Haime HughesDo I have that correctly? >> He didn't say that. But I just want to be careful about the information I share. >> I how so for to for what reason? I guess

Natalia Haime Hughes>> just to protect myself because I'm going against very big forces and I would like to protect myself and my family as much as possible. How would how would sharing your age?

Natalia Haime Hughes>> It's not about the age, but my point is I just um I also don't want to deal with bias because I'm a young person and people in their 70s tend to run the

Brian Atlasgovernment and I would like to reduce the bias as much as possible. >> Well, even if you didn't reveal your age, uh I don't think people are going to assume

Brian Atlasthat you're in your 40s, 50s, 60s or 70s. So just on the basis of your physical appearance, people are going to come to a a range a determination on the

Brian Atlasyour estimated age range >> which based on your appearance probably most people would put between 25 and 35. >> Uh yeah, it's between the 20s and 30s.

Brian Atlas>> Well, you're you're fine saying that. So the bias that you're concerned of >> still exists. How would the on Okay. So the people in the government I think the people in the government because of your

Brian Atlasunwillingness to share your age would actually have another bias and think you're [ __ ] loony because you're like not willing to share your age. That seems a bit peculiar. >> They could certainly look me up and

Natalia Haime Hughesfigure out all the information about me like all the or agencies that know a lot about me, but I just don't want to like share everything. You're trying to hide

Natalia Haime Hughesfrom the agencies. >> Um I'm trying to hide from evil forces that are in the world basically >> like in the government. >> Uh in the whole world,

Brian Atlas>> but some of those are these government agencies. Would you like the what the CIA, the uh what's the what's the other like intel ones? >> CIA. >> NSA. >> NSA. Is that one?

Brian Atlas>> There's tons of them. >> You do. Just to be clear though, you think if the CI CIA was so inclined to give a [ __ ] about you, which I doubt they do, you don't think the CIA would

Brian Atlashave a way to figure out your age [clears throat] absent you disclosing it on the whatever podcast? >> They like it's easy to figure out my

Brian Atlasinformation, but I just on a online platform I just want to be restrictive is what I'm >> Well, I'm not asking for your date of birth. Um I don't need the day. I don't

Natalia Haime Hughesneed the month. I don't even need the year. I just need your age. And that could be >> Okay, I could I we could move on for this. 29. [laughter] Sorry about that. >> Well, [ __ ] Now you're [ __ ] Now the

Natalia Haime Hughesdemons are coming for you. >> Well, I just want to like I just wanted to let you know that things happen and I want to be careful is my point. >> I mean, you [laughter] just you just

Brian Atlasdisclosed it though with a little bit. You think You think little chubby Brian over here is gonna put put the the [ __ ] boot on your neck? Imagine that

Brian AtlasCIA interrogator. You completely folded to the most minimal amount of verbal pressure. >> I I got the answer from you in 3 minutes. [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> You just completely folded and there's demons and there's demons after you forake folded. >> For the sake of time, I will fall. But I I I don't [laughter] want to have >> I don't want to uh

Natalia Haime Hughes>> they're very >> I just wanted to let you know kind of where I stand. >> Those are [laughter] very weak. >> You're not afraid enough of the demons for me. >> Um well anyway, I'm like I'm just trusting in God to protect me, but

Natalia Haime Hughesthere's a lot of stuff that happens and I feel like it's intimidation. So it's just how it is. >> Can I ask a question? >> Uh yeah, sure. >> Why? Like what do you feel like your mission is on the planet? like why do you feel like there's evil forces specifically off?

Brian Atlas>> We're not going to get into that right now. >> I thought your question was related to her age denial. >> Um but uh perhaps we can get into some

Brian Atlasof that stuff a bit later. Uh anyways, all right. Well, five minutes later. Um okay, off to a good start. Um >> um can I mention my uh degrees and my

Brian Atlasjob real quick? >> Oh, right. We didn't get to that part because I was so busy being [laughter] >> being being ruffled by the fact you would not disclose basic biographical information about yourself. Go ahead.

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Sorry about that. Um, I really don't want to be rude and I wanted to thank you so much, Brian, for this opportunity to be on your podcast cuz there's really

Natalia Haime Hugheslike not much out there to give random women who are like not famous this opportunity to talk to potentially millions of people. So like this is why

Natalia Haime HughesI was like this is where I have to go in other places but I'm not a famous person so and I didn't want to be for a long time. So yeah I just want to thank you

Natalia Haime Hughesum my and I'll try not to take too much time but um I got a degree in uh a bachelor's degree in neurobiology physiology and behavior. I went to medical school for one year.

Brian Atlas>> Uh really quick clarifying questions. Uh were you triple majoring in those three? No, that's one degree. >> Oh, wait. Can you list the three the three different ones again or or just

Natalia Haime Hugheslist it again? >> Um, my first bachelor's is neurobiology, physiology, and behavior. >> Oh, that's all one. Okay. >> Which Can you say which university? You don't have to. >> Uh, UC Davis.

Brian Atlas>> UC Davis. Okay. >> Um, and you have a bachelor's or masters? >> Sorry, you said duh. Bachelor's duh. >> Um,

Natalia Haime Hughes>> continue. I have one year of experience in medical school from uh USF Morsani College of Medicine. >> Okay. You wanted to be a doctor? >> Yes. And then

Natalia Haime Hughes>> why did you drop out? >> Uh I was poisoned by pesticides and I also because of the residential spraying and I >> sorry the residential spring. >> Sorry. Um the residential spraying. So

Natalia Haime Hughesspraying >> they [clears throat] were spraying the pesticides from trucks >> um from like people were spraying it on the volleyball sand. It was going into the pool and I was dowsted with

Natalia Haime Hughesglyphosate um which is the same issue that our uh Robert F. Kennedy Jr. sued Monsanto

Natalia Haime Hughesagainst. And it's also in our food. It's in organic food. It's in um pretty much all food. And that's a big reason why we're super sick is because of the pesticides in our food.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, you had health issues and you dropped out of medical school. >> Uh, is that it for the education or is there more? >> Uh, then I got a bachelor's degree in computer science from Western Governor's

Natalia Haime HughesUniversity >> and then I got a master's in smart educational technology from University Kot uh which is >> Canadian or French. Okay.

Brian AtlasUh you sorry you you got a what from there? >> A masters >> in computer science >> in smart educational technology. >> Smart educational tech. What's that?

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Um what I was trying to do is I was trying I was trying to create health education apps and I had an issue with what they were teaching in medical school um in America and so I was trying

Brian Atlasto prevent health issues. >> I see. Um, you've done a substantial amount of schooling. Uh, you have a

Brian Atlasbachelor's degree. You did you did uh one year of medical school. You you got a bachelor's degree in computer science from a different university and you have a master's from a different university.

Brian AtlasUm, how much student debt do you have? >> I paid it off. >> You paid how uh how much was your I guess then the price of your education in total. How much was that? Uh, so my

Natalia Haime Hughesfamily supported me. I also worked. Um, I also went to community college. I went to the cheapest nonprofit online school I could go to. I was really trying to minimize my student debt. I [clears throat] ended up with

Brian Atlas>> um about 20,000 and then I paid it off. >> All right. Not bad. Um, okay. So that's the school.

Natalia Haime HughesUh, is there anything else I need? >> Occupation. I have tons of jobs. So, I'm going to try to be brief, but I have um so I I'm

Natalia Haime Hughesa business owner and I um created a website, created an a basic app, created a basic game and

Natalia Haime Hughesum I'm like on LinkedIn most of the time. [snorts] Um and I'm trying to share health education information and potentially prevent violence and wars if

Natalia Haime Hughespossible. Um, so yeah, that's why I work so hard. I work like pretty much every day of the week. I like my sleep's all crazy and whatever. But yeah,

Natalia Haime Hughes>> you're trying to prevent wars. Um, >> it's a big dream. Yes. >> Which war are you currently trying to prevent? >> Uh, so many future wars potentially, so many current wars. But, um, I'm

Natalia Haime Hughesconcerned about Venezuela. I'm concerned about Greenland. Um because uh well so >> [snorts] >> um there were there was some activ I was

Natalia Haime Hughesbarely watching the news recently but there were um some activity like in Venezuela and there's so many so much oil in Venezuela so they're going after

Natalia Haime Hughesit. [snorts] And then I saw a thing from BBC that said that Trump's envoy is um trying to make Greenland part of the United States. So, I'm worried that we're just going to like create more

Natalia Haime Hughescrazy wars in colonialism. And that's why I'm trying to get to Donald Trump as respectfully as possible and his family as much as possible to help him because he's eating banned McDonald's

Natalia Haime Hughesingredients and all sorts of things that's going to mess with his head and he could potentially be dealing with evil forces and all sorts of things. So, it's really complicated. >> Okay. Um, [clears throat]

Brian Atlas>> I'm sure we can get into some of that stuff uh a bit later. >> Um, I noticed you're wearing a cross. Are you a Christian? >> Yes. >> What denomination?

Natalia Haime Hughes>> I don't really um I don't I try not to group myself with certain groups as much as possible. So, I I learn from Buddhism and all sorts of religions. >> You you learn from Buddhism? Yes.

Brian Atlas>> But are you you're a Christian? Yes, I learned from as many. >> I'm not a theologian. Isn't if you're a Christian, isn't it I don't know if it's

Alina (Russia)heretical or you're you're Orthodox, right? >> I'm working towards it. >> Working towards it. It's a process. You don't just become

Alina (Russia)Orthodox in one day. You have to get guidance from a pastor and you have to attend church. >> You You're a Christian, >> right? Yes. And you're becoming orthodox. Yes. I guess

Brian Atlas>> maybe you can speak on this. Isn't it heretical? I don't know if that's the right word. I don't know if it's a sin, whatever. For a Christian to be exploring other religions. I could be

Tavywrong. I don't know. >> No, you're right. Uh it says in the Bible that you're not supposed to have other like religions cuz it's technically like idols and um you know, God is a jealous God. So he wants your

Tavyattention on him. And plus, if it's not in the Bible, it's not true. So when these other things are said and people add to it, then no. >> So um Okay. So you're do you go to

Brian Atlaschurch? >> Yeah. >> No. You >> Oh, yes. >> Okay. What is the denomination of the church you go to? >> Presbyterian. >> Presbyterian. Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Uh Huh. Okay. So you are a Christian but also study Buddhism I guess. I don't know. Maybe it's not contradictory. Um oh blasphemy

Brian AtlasI don't know. Um one of those. Okay. Uh so okay you're Christian. Um you at the beginning of the show you

Natalia Haime Hughessaid you have autism or before the show. >> I haven't been diagnosed but I struggle with emotional tone. emotional tone. What does that mean?

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Like I have trouble understanding people's emotions based on their tone. I also have trouble looking at people's eyes because I'm thinking so much >> and I also perhaps have special interest, things like that. Um I was

Natalia Haime Hugheslooking at the traits and I was just like, man, I really like nailed it on autism. [laughter] >> Have you been diagnosed with anything? >> Um I don't want to say. Um

Natalia Haime Hughes>> why is that? >> Because um there's such a pressure towards taking medication for things and the sorry to interrupt. Sorry to take so

Natalia Haime Hughesmuch time guys but like um the medical system is so focused on taking God out of the picture and it's like well what about all this evidence? Um what about

Natalia Haime Hugheshealing? What about the body healing itself? What about the natural medicine? What about like physical therapy? What about eastern medicine? Like there's so many things to help people help uh their

Brian Atlasbody. And there's also more there's so many side effects with medications. The studies are so biased. >> I'm not asking what treatments you've

Brian Atlasunder you plan to undertake or could undertake. Uh, I'm simply asking you if you've had a

Brian Atlasanother because you said you you think you have autism. Uh, you may very well, you may may not, >> but you have a diag another diagnosis

Natalia Haime Hughesof of some other thing. >> Um, definitely depression's most likely on there. I haven't looked at my medical records, so I don't know exactly what they've diagnosed me with. >> Okay. Is there anything else?

Brian AtlasI mean like things like I had kidney infections like there's certain random >> things. Um I'm I'm looking more so at related to like

Brian Atlasautism or your depression. These are uh more like mental health diagnosis. Mhm. >> Have you had anything else besides >> uh Well, you're suspected autism,

Brian Atlas>> which it's not that's not diagnosed, but you strongly suspect uh and depression was diagnosed. Is there any other mental health diagnoses that you have?

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Um schizophrenia, um which is okay. what people would be like, "Yeah, like you're hearing voices, you're seeing things, blah blah blah, but like there's a whole other side of

Natalia Haime Hughesthe picture where it's like, what about all these people that speak say they speak to God? And what about all these people that say they're psychics? What about all these people that um are

Natalia Haime Hughesreincarnations of Buddha?" They say like there's so much evidence to say maybe there's like a third eye. Maybe there's like um if you look at the chakras too,

Natalia Haime Hughesit's like are you at the ultimate truth enlightened nirvana stage or are you at the root chakra stage where you're just focused on the ego? Is there are you at the super id or are you at the id and

Natalia Haime Hughesthe ego? It's like that's why you learn psychology. It's like, whoa, there's so much to understand about um >> the brain. >> One question. Does Christianity, maybe I'm going to read the chat here, uh to

Brian Atlasany Christians in the chat, do Christians, does uh you know, Christian theology, does it reject the chakra

Brian Atlasstuff? Does Christianity reject the chakra new? I don't know if that's new age or if it's like eastern.

Brian AtlasI don't know what the categorization is, but Christianity does res reject the chakra stuff. >> Yes, absolutely. >> My dear, you're a I think you're a Presbyterian. Well, you go to

Brian AtlasPresbyterian church, which I think the Presbyterians are pretty based, like more based than like non-doms or whatever and like the I don't know some of the other mainline uh denominations.

Brian AtlasAnd you got to you got to you're wearing a cross. You can't be doing chakra [ __ ] [laughter] Balance like with it's Look, I I don't

Natalia Haime Hugheshave a dog in the fight, but I believe it's contradictory. >> I >> Hey, look, I I don't really care. I'm just pointing it out. >> I haven't So, I um I read the New

Natalia Haime HughesTestament like about twice, but I haven't read the entire Old Testament. So, like I used to be agnostic, atheist, a believer, like swirling around. So I

Natalia Haime Hugheskind of come a lot more from a atheist scientific perspective and then I wasn't believing in God until 2023 about and then um >> Okay. >> And then God spoke to me as

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Um question for you. We don't need to go too deep down the rabbit hole. You mentioned schizophrenia. Is there anything else? Any other personality

Brian Atlasdisorders or borderline personality disorders? NPD, uh, ASD, anything like that. >> Um, you said ASD, which is autism

Brian Atlasspectrum disorder. >> ASPD, antisocial personality disorder, anything like that. >> I'm not I'm [clears throat] not implying you do. I'm just asking.

Natalia Haime Hughes>> I um I only think it's like depression, schizophrenia, and then just like that's what I know as far as the mental health issues and the rest. Have you have you

Natalia Haime Hughesever taken medication for the schizophrenia? >> Um yes, I was forced to. Um >> uh what age were you diagnosed?

Brian Atlas>> Let's see. Um this year. >> Oh, you were this year you were diagnosed? >> Um what was the context in which you received the diagnosis?

Brian AtlasI've >> like you've never been I'm perhaps I'm jumping the gun here. You've never been committed to uh like have you ever been 5150 or placed like had a mental hold or

Natalia Haime Hughesanything like that? >> Um so I um I went to the psychiatric I'm a first of all I'm like a super curious

Natalia Haime Hughesperson like I try to learn everything. So like I go to places where it's like oh what's happening over here? like I'm not like someone who usually abstains and protects myself and like hangs out

Natalia Haime Hugheswith a certain crowd and whatever. >> So I um was taking Accutane which is for acne and the doctor was warning me this has suicidal ideiation

Natalia Haime Hughes>> and I was like all right like I'm just going to tough it out and I was literally crying like >> within a thought like just like crying crying crying >> from the medication. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I mean, I I've heard uh that Accutane can have very strong and severe

Brian Atlasuh side effects, but um you you were diagnosed a year ago. Um

Natalia Haime Hugheshave you been uh like have you been involuntarily committed >> in your life? I have voluntarily been

Brian Atlascommitted to a hospital >> to uh to a mental hospital or >> Okay. And they and that was the po just once.

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Twice. >> Twice. Okay. And this was the past year. >> Um so in 2022 I was taking Accutane. I was dealing

Natalia Haime Hugheswith suicidal ideiation again and again and again. And then I was and then I was talking to a therapist and they were like, "You need to go to the hospital." So I go to the hospital. Um I have a lot

Natalia Haime HughesI could say about that. Um as far as improvements notes, but like um then I go to the second time, sorry, second time I go to

Natalia Haime Hughesthe hospital, [snorts] I felt like I was chased by a bunch of ghosts and um dangerous things. Mhm. >> And if you look at um if you look at

Natalia Haime Hugheslike the Conjuring series for example, then you could look at evidence of like what people might experience with evil spirits for example. And then so I to protect myself, I went into the

Natalia Haime Hughespsychiatric hospital because I wanted cameras, I wanted staff, I wanted 247 protection. But then um I was not allowed to leave until I take the medication. So the doctor went to the

Natalia Haime Hughescourt required that I take medication and they injected me with medication because um you can't like leave. So yeah, so I'm just trying to not be in

Brian Atlasthe hospital cuz you have to be forced to take the medication. >> Okay. >> Sometimes. Um, so you did take and I I'm

Brian AtlasI'm on the same page with you in the sense that the the Accutane has really bad side effects and the ideation you referenced, it's actually they warn you

Brian Atlasspecifically about it. Um, just curious, no homicidal ideiation. >> Um, so like I would never harm people as much as possible. I eat meat. Um, I eat

Natalia Haime Hughesanimal meat that is not human, nothing weird. But um I also like weirdly empathize with whatever I could possibly just like why are they violent? Why are

Natalia Haime Hughesthey abusing these people? >> No, but you you yourself have not had homicidal ideiation. >> Um well, I'd say I would never ever hurt someone. So in a like in a way I've

Natalia Haime Hughesnever had homicidal ideation, but another way it's like well but like my thoughts could maybe be like why is that person killing someone?

Brian Atlas>> And the do you think that the Accutane like okay you were diagnosed a year ago about or in the past year with

Brian Atlasschizophrenia. Do you think and you're 29 now, do you think you had schizophrenia like going further back or is the

Brian Atlasschizophrenia because some people can develop that at a later uh later age? Uh is it a new development?

Natalia Haime HughesIt's a new development, but I question the diagnosis of schizophrenia because I wonder um is it is it possibly being

Natalia Haime Hughespsychic without God, without spirituality, without the supernatural? Um because like it's true, I do see and hear things that are not what other

Natalia Haime Hughespeople see and hear, but I don't think it's 100% just my own brain activity. >> Okay. And um what is you said you were

Brian Atlason a medication briefly for the schizophrenia? Is that correct? >> Yes. >> But you went off it. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> And so you're not currently on any medications? >> Um >> for schizophrenia anyway? >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> You maybe you take something else or >> I have an IUD. That's all. >> Oh, okay. Not >> but I should take that honestly because it messes with my hormones or non one of the hormonal ones. Uh, I have the hormonal one and I I'm just like I should probably stop messing with my

Brian Atlashormones, too. >> Okay. Um, h how many different What was it just one medication that you did take for the schizophrenia?

Brian Atlas>> It was at least two. >> At least two. Okay. Um, and you were on them for a couple months. >> For about a month. >> One month. and you didn't like them

Natalia Haime Hughes>> or >> um I just am really careful about the medical system because in some ways if

Natalia Haime Hughesyou're not treating the root causes then it's like okay like it's life-saving but in other ways it's like well but do you need to be taking this for like 50 years

Brian Atlasor can you fix it? >> Gotcha. Um, so I know that when it comes to schizophrenia, there's it can manifest itself in different ways in different people. The

Brian Atlasseverity can be stronger, it can be weaker. It's it's a bit on a spectrum in terms of the the severity, the impact, and how it manifests itself. Um, for you

Brian Atlasspecifically, how does I guess what are your uh >> symptoms? >> Symptoms, how does it manifest itself in you?

Natalia Haime HughesSo, I'll see like um what I believe is God's eye uh which is in the Muslim mosques. You'll see like a huge eye and

Brian Atlasthat's the all-seeing eye. And then >> wait, you have visual hallucinations? >> Yes. >> Wow. Okay. Uh do you have auditory hallucinations? >> Yes. >> What other

Brian Atlas>> But then the question is are those tactile sensory hallucinations? >> Yes. What are the other Do you smell uh olfactory hallucinations?

Brian Atlas>> Um I don't have a great sense of smell so I don't think so. >> Okay. Uh what are the So okay, hearing you you have visual and auditory

Brian Atlashallucinations. You have tactile uh what was the other word I used? Sensory hallucinations. Um

Brian Atlas>> I also don't taste >> taste. Uh, no, not that I noticed. >> Okay. Um, are you do you have visual hall are you having visual hallucinations right now?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Am I do I look normal? >> Yes. >> Okay. You don't see like I'm not like a demon or some [ __ ] >> No. >> Okay. What about this girl next to me? She I get some weird vibes from her [laughter] a little bit. >> Um, so

Natalia Haime Hughes>> what what's going on? >> Like sometimes I see auras, sometimes I see visual signals. Um, yeah. Sometimes I see >> auras. >> Uh, auras like the color auras.

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Wait. Oh, so you don't see >> but mostly just with myself. I'm I'm not an expert. >> You don't see like [snorts] like you know an aura around me? >> Um, it's really hard. I've never really

Natalia Haime Hugheslike tried to look at other people's auras that much, but like with myself, if I'm thinking like loving thoughts, I I see the color pink. If >> Have you seen Dragon Ball Z? Um, my cousins have,

Brian Atlas>> you know, when they go like Super Saiyan and they have the Wait, I do I have a sound for this? Hold on. >> Um, I don't know. Wait, hold on. Do I

Brian Atlashave a sound? I might have taken it off. I don't think I have it. RIP. I'm sorry, but does anybody at the table have an aura?

Brian Atlas>> I don't have it. [ __ ]

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Like I I'm not an expert at all with the supernatural. So I was kind of thinking like I shouldn't talk about the supernatural stuff, but I was um like just with my personal experiences that

Natalia Haime Hughessometimes I see auras because of people because of my thoughts. I mean >> um but it's hard to like look at other people's auras for me. Do you um we used

Brian Atlasto have this um he didn't speak English. His name was Gustavo and unfortunately

Brian Atlashe um he like passed away. Sometimes I think his spirit

Brian Atlashaunts the whatever uh podcast studio. Did have you seen a guy in a Chilean

Natalia Haime Hughesmilitary uniform like a like a viz visage? Uh like a phantom. Have you seen >> I um so like I'll ask God for certain

Brian Atlasthings. My thoughts are kind of out of control a lot. >> But did you see him? >> Um but no I generally >> Do we have any spirits

Natalia Haime Hughes>> in the studio? I generally don't see ghost, but I see I see like >> like a light um what's a it's basically a vertical light I'll see like moving

Brian Atlasaround really quick. >> So I saw like a white flash right there. So it's like hypothetically it could be him or it could be an angel. I have no idea. >> Okay. But so what you said you do experience visual hallucinations. Are

Natalia Haime Hughesthey 24/7? I I mean when you're awake I suppose >> um they they like reduced for part of

Natalia Haime Hughesthis year and then when I was asking like how can I serve you um Jesus Christ more then it came back >> um

Brian Atlas>> more >> okay and they're they're kind of lights are they ever like very detailed objects or people or

Natalia Haime Hughes>> I'll um like cartoonish reactions. So like if I'm thinking of something that angers an an evil spirit potentially then I'll see

Natalia Haime Hughesan angry face. If I think of eating I'll see a like the big fangs. If I make a random joke it'll laugh. Like it's weird. >> Okay.

SPEAKER_07>> It just responds. Yeah. >> Uh okay. Well uh Huh. Well, uh,

Brian Atlas[laughter] I don't know. I'm kind of at a loss for words, honestly. I think >> we can go around the table again. I'm sure. >> Does anybody else here have I guess since we're getting into mental health diagnoses, does anybody you got

Brian Atlas>> Maybe we could all This could be like a bonding moment. What do you do? You have anything any any issues? >> Nothing. Come on. >> I mean, come on. I did I was when I was

Amelia/Barbieyounger I had really bad depression but >> thank Jesus that's not present anymore as the way it was before. >> You're you're Catholic right? >> I'm Catholic Christian. >> Catholic. Okay.

Amelia/Barbie>> Yeah. Um >> I used to but I think Jesus said I was saved for the most part from that. >> You used to have >> depression. Just depression. >> Major depression disorder. Yes. >> And Okay. Uh what about you? Any into the mic?

Kaylee Jay>> [clears throat] >> I've never been diagnosed with anything, but I'm definitely autistic. >> Definitely autistic. I can I can tell. >> Um, what about you? >> I don't have anything, unfortunately. >> Unfortunate. Maybe fortunately, [laughter] >> I used to be crazy, but

Tavy>> what does that mean? >> Like um >> drugs? >> Oh, that too. But um like I used to like carve into people type spirit. >> Carve? >> Yeah. Like >> like you stabbed people?

Tavy>> Yeah. Like >> blood. Oh, was that Wait, what does that mean? Can you I'm sorry, I'm confused. >> Like um like [laughter] like carved into people. Like when I had a boyfriend, I would be like, "Hey, like

Brian Atlasmy initials, your skin, blood." Um >> like consensually or you would force them. >> Oh, no, no, no, no. Consensually. >> Do you still do that? >> No. >> He saved me.

Tavy>> Jesus saved you from the carving. >> Yeah. Yes. Is that so? Was it a was it a kink thing or was it not sexual at all? >> I think it I think it was a kink thing.

TavyI think I just like liked blood >> for some reason. And then I did also used to be depressed. I would Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. What about What about you? >> I actually have episodic depression

Samantha (Notes)where depression I'm not always depressed but sometimes I fall into episodes. >> Um so I'm not like sad all the time. >> Tilt your mic down a little bit. So grab it from Yeah. tilt it from Yeah, there

Alina (Russia)you go. Episodic depression. Okay. All right. >> Huh. Okay. Uh well, I guess we need your intro, so let's just get into that. Uh give us your intro. >> Yeah. I'm Alina. I'm 21 years old. I'm

Alina (Russia)from Panza, Russia, but I currently live in Philadelphia, and I'm a student studying for a Bachelor of Business Administration. >> Okay. All right. Welcome back. I think this is your third, fourth, fourth.

Brian Atlas>> I believe it's the fourth. >> All right. Welcome back. And uh any mental health diagnosis? >> No. When I was a child, I was evaluated for autism because everybody thought I was autistic.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> But it turned out negative. So, >> okay. Um really quick, going back to you, when I was asking about your medication, you said you had an IUD, the the non hormonal or was it the

Natalia Haime Hugheshormonal one? It's the hormonal because I didn't want to have periods. >> Um, but I don't recommend. >> Are you active?

Brian Atlas>> No. >> In a biblical way? Are you biblically carnal knowledge? >> Can you elaborate, please?

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Are you having carnal knowledge? >> Um, could you elaborate please? Biblication. Have you been with a man biblically recently? >> Um >> or

Natalia Haime Hughes>> at any time? >> In um in February I broke up with my last boyfriend. >> Okay. And you that was the last time you had carninal [cough] sex intercourse.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Sorry. >> Okay. But you kept the IUD though, just in case. Is your boyfriend is he is he good?

Natalia Haime Hughesor was he um is he alive? >> Yes. Okay. Just check. >> So like I want to be careful about what I say because I want my family to watch.

Brian AtlasI I don't know just I was curious because I feel like you know the saying I'm going to make a joke. You know the saying like

Brian Atlasdon't stick your dick in crazy. I [laughter] I feel like like schizophrenia [ __ ] got to be the bum. [gasps]

Brian AtlasYou know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like they say crazy girls the sex is the best. I would >> like you don't really you can't really get much better than schizophrenia.

Brian Atlas>> So I mean you have that going for you. >> Sorry it was a crude joke. Crude joke.

SPEAKER_10[laughter]

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Anyways. [laughter] >> Wow. Okay. >> No reply. >> That's a comment. I don't want to compliment I don't want to make people

Natalia Haime Hughesfeel embarrassed about their mental health diagnosis, but I have a joke I could tell you after the podcast. [laughter] >> Is what is it? >> Okay. You It's about Is it about autistic?

Natalia Haime Hughes>> Uh let's just say hypothetically people who are manic perhaps are better at the bedroom department. >> Oh, like border BP uh bipolar [laughter] bipolar disorder >> maybe.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, they're crazy. like in a I mean it doesn't it's not worth the tradeoff, but like I my philosophy is if you're going to be a crazy [ __ ] not you, but you

Brian Atlasseem kind of tame [laughter] I think, but like if you're going to be a crazy [ __ ] the least you can do for the guy you're going to be dating, the sex has to be the bomb. Like it's got you like

Brian Atlasyou can't be a crazy [ __ ] and the sex is trash. You know what I mean? You [laughter] know what I mean? She knows what I mean. Like you can't be you can't you got to make up for the craziness is

Brian Atlaswhat I'm saying now. Some guys bite the bullet and they're like this [ __ ] is crazy. Not you. You're a very nice lady. I would never refer to you as a [ __ ] But I'm

Brian Atlassaying b like you know I'm using it in that way. [laughter] You know what I'm talking about >> cuz I'm part of the movement

Brian Atlasand the culture. But anyways, um you know, if you're dealing with a crazy a crazy bee,

Brian Atlasand like she won't suck your dick and like the pussy's not it's like what as a guy, what are you really even doing there? You know, like I to be clear, if

Brian Atlasif a girl's got bipolar, I'm avoiding 100%.

Brian Atlasyou know, other mental illnesses, it's an avoid. Even if the Even if she's really hot and the [ __ ] would be bummed, but I'm just saying,

Brian Atlasyou know what I mean? Okay, good talk. Um, all right. Well, here, uh, wow, that that was a good convo. Uh, we're gonna have [laughter] we're going to have, uh, I'm going to do

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Natalia Haime Hughes>> Mhm. We're going to get her wasted. [laughter] And then is it worse? Is the schizophrenia worse when you're when you're drunk? >> I haven't been wasted in a while. So, I don't know.

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