Jubilee Girl Says She Is A MlSANDRlST?! She DEBATES Brian?! Lawyer Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #245

Date: 2025-06-02

Duration: 8h 51m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMarin Carrera >

NNatalia Star >

LLynn (Tax Attorney)>

KKayn May (Photographer)>

HHaley (WSU Finance)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Silana(guest)

SPEAKER_02Haley + Felicity (blended)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Marin Carrera(guest)

SPEAKER_04Natalia Star(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Lynn(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kayn May(guest)

Key Moments

OtherNatalia Star describes masturbating with the moonlight during a full moon and claiming to be trisexual.

“I masturbated with the moon before... It was like mutual masturbation. Like you felt a vibe with them. Yeah. Felt the moon. It was a full moon.”

OtherSilana tells the story of her third husband dying of accidental fentanyl exposure while rescuing her drug-addicted daughter in Los Angeles, December 2020.

“He went to LA December 2nd, 2020... He found her... December 5th he was dead... They found a very little dose of fentanyl in his system which we believe that it was the fentanyl that my daughter had because he fell like that.”

QuoteMarin declares herself a misandrist, not a feminist, saying women are better than men intellectually and as leaders.

“Do you consider yourself a feminist? No. No. No. I'd consider myself a misandrist. A misandress believes that women are actually better than men.”

QuoteMarin states that women have greater intellectual capabilities than men and are more interested in the goodness of their country, while men are more interested in power.

“I believe that women have greater intellectual capabilities than men do. They have a better way to lead... men are more interested in power than they are in the goodness of their country.”

ControversyMarin argues that queens who started wars were controlled by men and not truly in power, countered by Silana citing Margaret Thatcher and the Falklands War.

“Margaret Thatcher started the war taking the Malvina Islands from Argentina. She was a woman and she motivated and she started a war.”

OtherNatalia Star rates herself a 10/10 and references Scarlett Johansson and Sydney Sweeney as her celebrity equivalents.

“10. 10. Okay. Period... Scarlett Johansson. And I've seen her without makeup and she was a 10. And she's a sweet girl. She was super sweet when I met her.”

OtherNatalia Star reveals a body count over 1000, having had 20 partners in one night at gang bang parties. Brian notes she is in the adult industry.

“I'm over a thousand for sure. You're in the industry, right? Yeah. I had like 20 in a night. I used to do gang bang parties back in the day.”

ControversyEnd-of-show confrontation between Marin and Haley over Haley's views on promiscuity, with Marin accusing Haley of imposing her opinions on all women.

“It's when she tries to force them onto all women that I have a problem with... It's the fact that you're trying to make it seem normalized for all women when it's just your opinion.”

Key MomentHaley tells Marin her tits are out in response to Marin criticizing promiscuity; Marin says her boyfriend chose the outfit.

“Not super, but your tits are out. So, the guy I'm with chose this outfit for me.”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

All seven guests introduce themselves: Marin Carrera (viral Jubilee/Charlie Kirk girl), Natalia Star (adult performer/DJ), Lynn (tax attorney), Kayn May (boudoir photographer), Silana (flight attendant/concert pianist/widow), Haley (WSU student), Felicity (Whatever staff/student).

Marin's Jubilee/Charlie Kirk Background

Marin describes how she ended up in the viral Jubilee video debating Charlie Kirk. Applied during COVID, got a call 2 years later, didn't know the opponent was Kirk until she arrived. Went viral for repeatedly saying 'No, I'm speaking' when interrupted. Argued about abortion rights.

Relationship Status Round

Brian goes around table asking current relationship status, longest relationships, who broke up with whom, rosters, orientation, and marriage history. Silana shares story of three marriages; second husband died of stroke; third husband died Dec 2020 of accidental fentanyl exposure rescuing her drug-addicted daughter.

Misandry Debate — Marin vs Brian

Marin declares herself a misandrist (not feminist), arguing women are intellectually superior and better suited to lead. Brian challenges her with data on female monarchs waging more wars, Scandinavian countries having prosperity from natural resources pre-dating female leadership, and college enrollment data showing women outpacing men since 1980. Marin defends position throughout.

Wage Gap Discussion

Extended debate on the gender wage gap. Brian argues it shrinks when controlling for hours worked, industry, and job type. Marin and others argue systemic barriers still exist for women. Lynn notes wage gap exists mainly due to career interruptions from childbearing. Brian presents college enrollment infographics showing women outnumber men since 1980.

Women and Higher Education Data

Brian presents infographics showing women have outnumbered men in US college enrollment since 1980, with current 60/40 female/male split. Counters Marin's claim that men are pushed toward education more. Discussion of men going into blue-collar trades vs women into higher education.

Self-Ratings Round

Brian asks guests to rate their looks 1-10, can't pick 7. Ratings: Marin 5-6, Natalia 10, Lynn 8, Kayn 9, Silana 8, Haley 5, Felicity 6. Guests asked to name celebrity at their level. Natalia claims Scarlett Johansson/Sydney Sweeney level. Kayn claims 9 citing strangers stopping her. Debate about Jake Gyllenhaal (rated 7 by Kayn), Brad Pitt, Ryan Gosling.

Partner Requirements

Brian asks minimum yearly income requirements for a partner. Kayn: $500K/year. Marin: just enough to live independently. Other guests give various answers. Height requirements: Marin is 6'0" and requires minimum 6'0"; others around 5'10". Bear vs man on hike question — Marin and Natalia pick bear, others split.

Privilege Debate — Male vs Female

Discussion on whether men or women have more societal privilege. Marin, Natalia agree men more privileged. Lynn argues from career perspective — pregnancy/childcare forces women to trade off career advancement. Brian argues women have greater privilege in dating market — can choose to be stay-at-home while most men cannot opt out of provider role. Kayn distinguishes income from assets/wealth.

Systemically Racist/Sexist Definitions

Marin argues women can't be sexist toward men and Black people can't be systemically racist toward white people because systemic power defines racism/sexism. Brian pushes back with bear vs man analogy mapped to race. Kayn disagrees with Marin's systemic definition. Brian drops out of college privilege framing from Kayn.

Body Count Discussion

Brian asks everyone's body count. Natalia: 1000+ (in industry, had 20 in one night at gang bang parties). Kayn: over 100, maybe over 200, stopped counting around 10 in high school. Lynn: declined to disclose, said Brian would be 'fine' with it. Marin: 'less than 20,' within range Brian would be fine with. Haley: 2. Brian notes reluctance to disclose suggests body count does matter.

Women's Duties and Promiscuity Debate

Haley states women's duties include not being promiscuous and being loyal and modest. Other guests (Marin, Natalia) push back, arguing women can dress and act as they choose. Heated exchange over gym attire and whether women invite unwanted attention by dressing revealingly. Haley holds conservative position to end of show.

Transcript

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Haley + Felicity (blended)countries, we're all women, we're all here together, we're all hurting. I have a question for you. So, you said that in like um like countries like Scandinavian countries where females are in places of

Marin Carrerapower. Do you think that women are still oppressed in countries like that? Definitely not as much. I mean, I'm sure there's still some male aggression towards females, but I know like in the

Marin CarreraUS, maternity leave is very like subjective. However, in places like Scandinavia, I know that they get like paid maternity leave, men get time off so that they can spend time with the

Marin Carrerafamily, their hospital, like they get cared for. They have nurses that care for them and give them like spa treatments because they know that birth is hard. I mean that's just a small example but you know other people are

Brian Atlasnot afforded that because here how are women oppressed okay I'm asking how are women about it

Brian Atlashow are women okay here let's start with something simpler then first can you just uh give me a definition of oppression like not getting the same basic rights

Brian Atlasas other people okay sure so what rights do men have that Women don't control over their bodies. Well, that's not true. Women can't have abortions anymore. Women have the right to get

Marin Carreraabortions. Not everywhere. You know that woman in Georgia who's like on life support even though she's completely brain dead and the family wants her to be killed, like be taken away because she's completely brain dead. But the

Marin Carrerahospital will not let them take her off of life support because she is pregnant. And so they're using her body as like basically like an incubator until the baby is birthed. I I I can engage with you on the abortion thing, but is there

Brian Atlasanything besides abortion you can point to as it relates to uh a right that a man has that uh women do not in the law? No. In society, you can see it trickling

Brian Atlasin in just different ways. But if we're talking about rights, typically we are talking about in the law, I would say abortion's the biggest. Is there anything else though? Just abortion. Not

Marin Carrerathat comes to mind, but that's just laws, not like systematic and social oppression. Okay. So, it's you don't need to check on that. It's fine.

Brian AtlasUm, so on the abortion argument, I don't think that this is actually evidence of an inequality that exists between between men and women because what we're doing is is doing a comparison between

Brian Atlasmen and women. What rights do men have that women don't? men don't have abortion rights. So, you would have to agree with me. But men were able to make abortion rights even though it's not their body. You're moving away from the

Brian Atlasactual argument. Let me let the argument. Let me make the argument. So, you're saying that women don't have any abortion rights? Well, excuse me. You're saying in some states women don't have

Brian Atlasabortion rights. You would agree that in other states women do have abortions. Yeah. In California, we have abortion rights. So in those states you would say that there

Brian Atlasis no difference of rights between men and women in the law but socially Mhm. there is oppression just in different ways. But as it relates to abortion you

Marin Carrerawould agree that men can't force women to get abortions. Right. Well by law I guess technically yes. By law technically yes they can. In some

Marin Carrerastates men created the rule that they are not allowed to get abortions. But and so that is a man telling a woman she's not allowed to get an abortion. But men can't force a woman to get an

Brian Atlasabortion, right? No, cuz it's legal now. Even if they want a man, let's say the woman wants to keep the kid and the man doesn't want to have a kid. He can't

Brian Atlasforce the woman to get an abortion. It depends. There's no legally, no, he can't. But physically, he probably could. There's ways. Sure. There could

Brian Atlasbe an abusive guy who's like drags her physically to the abortion clinic and is like, "I'm going to kill you if you don't do it." Yeah, sure that could happen, but that has nothing to do with like there is no right that would grant

Brian Atlasa man like an ability to force a woman to get an abortion. No. Okay. So, wouldn't you have to make you would have to agree with me on this that that it would actually create a certain level of

Brian Atlasequality that exists between men and women. In order for there to be equality as it relates to reproductive rights, you would just have to outright ban abortion entirely. No. Yes.

Brian AtlasNo. Let me explain it to you. Men have no reproductive rights. So equality would have to dictate that in order for there to actually be equality between men and women, you would have to walk

Kayn Mayback women's abortion rights for there to be equality. But men have the right to impregn impregnate a dozen women at a time. And then you're saying those women don't have That's not an argument. But

Kayn Mayokay, go ahead and make it. How is that not an argument as in if a guy gets me pregnant and I don't want to have his or or you're saying I want to have his child, he doesn't want me to have the child, right? That's the scenario. It's

Marin Carreranot even No, that's not the scenario. He's just saying that in order for abortion rights to be equal, men should also get a say. How about men take birth control? He's saying that I'm not saying

Brian Atlasthat. I'm saying uh one, no, I don't think that that should be the case. But two, men cannot force women to have abortions. I'm not full financial support. They can leave the

Kayn Mayrelationship. They like they can do whatever. Men and women are allowed to leave relationship. People have cohabitated and then and then the man gets the woman pregnant, but says, "I don't want you to have the baby. If you don't get an abortion, you got to get

Brian Atlasthe [ __ ] out of the house." How is it her fault that she got pregnant? cuz she had sex literally logically doesn't even fall. They were in a relationship living together. You're talking about something completely different. The point I'm trying to make

Brian Atlashere is is you're you're making the argument that women are oppressed and that women do not have equal rights to men in the United States to which you cite abortion laws or reproductive

Brian Atlasrights. Since men have no reproductive rights, I would say that in order for there to be equal rights to men in the USA between men and women, the only means by which you can uh arrive at

Brian Atlasequal rights between men and women would be to walk back abortion rights for women. I'm not saying that that should be the case. What I'm saying is that would have that would be how it would

Marin Carrerahave to be for there to actually be equality between men and women. If men were like seahorses and they could also carry children, I would agree with you. But they can't. So I don't agree with

Marin Carrerayou. But okay, just think about it logically. Yeah. I don't I am honey. If you're not you're putting your feelings in front of your argument. If I have to carry a baby for 9 months and then rip

Marin Carreraopen my vagina to give birth to it and a man doesn't even have to be there if he doesn't want to, I think I should decide if I want to go through. But that's not the argument I'm making. You're making the argument that if we wanted to be

Kayn May100% equal, but what equal is not always fair. So you do agree that's not equal then baby. So what this is this argument that women can't impregnate themselves. Okay,

Brian Atlashere's the context of the conversation. The context is it's what rights do men have that women don't? So within that

Brian Atlascontext, men don't have reproductive rights. So the fact that in some states women don't have access to abortion, I don't think that you could say that that should be something women can have. They

Brian Atlasshould have access to abortions, but it's not evidence of men having some sort of advantage or privilege or benefit or right that women don't. The

Brian Atlasquestion is what right does a man do men have that women don't? As you guys are correct, only women can get pregnant. But this has nothing to do with a comparison of women's rights to men's

Brian Atlasrights. Men don't have any rights as it relates to their reproduction. So your your claim that well abortion rights if I were to go ahead Yeah. Sure.

Marin CarreraOkay. Women don't have abortion rights. What does that have to do with equal rights between men and women? You and I just disagree on that. And I don't think we're ever going to see eye to eye on abortion rights, which a lot of people aren't going to see eye to eye on abortion rights. I'm not having an

Brian Atlasabortion debate with you. I'm having a debate with you on men's and women's rights. But you thinking that women don't have the right to get an abortion by themselves? Hold on. I didn't make that. I didn't even make that argument. For all you know, I could be pro-choice.

Brian AtlasOkay. But you saying that it wouldn't be equal. I think we agree differently on that. Agree differently. Okay. Um I could be I could be pro-choice and make

Brian Atlasthe same argument I just made and I disagree with that argument. So, but what is I I'm a little confused here. So, how what specifically do you disagree with the argument about? I

Marin Carreradisagree that in order for abortion rights to be equal for men and women, abortion should be banned because men don't should get an equal say or something. Okay, to clarify, I'm not speaking should I'm speaking I know

Brian Atlashypothetically, whatever. I'm speaking descriptively. So descriptively it is the case that bec because men don't have these I'm not saying that uh men should be able to like get an abortion on

Brian Atlasbehalf like that's not what I'm advocating for. Okay. I'm advocating for the that I'm or well I'm actually making a counter to your claim that men have rights that women don't. Okay. You would

Brian Atlashave to establish that men have abortion rights to make the claim that in the states where women don't have abortion rights, men have abortion rights. If men don't have abortion rights, which they

Brian Atlasdon't in any state, then how could it ever be the case that women not having abortion rights in a state is evidence of men having rights that women don't possess?

Marin CarreraI'm not saying I'm just saying that means oppression to me and to a lot of women to a lot of women not having the ability to choose if they want an

Marin Carreraabortion or not is oppression and if you don't think that you don't think that that's your opinion. My opinion is that it is oppressive to not let a woman make decisions about her own body. Even if a

Brian Atlasman impregnated her and that is his child, I still think the woman has the right to make the decision if she wants an abortion or not. Yeah. And so I actually in response to something you said before, you mentioned how uh you I

Marin Carrerathink you said something along the lines of men don't have bodily autonomy. When did I say that? I think you said something along those lines. Bodily autonomy. Everyone has bodily autonomy. I don't know what you mean by that.

Brian AtlasWell, you said, didn't you can somebody rewind the tape? You didn't say something about like men don't have any uh loss of bodily autonomy or anything like that. Oh, the right to their bodily

Marin Carreraautonomy. I think that's how Can you repeat how you framed it? Like men have don't have a law that like dictates a part of their body the way that women do

Marin Carrerawhere women could be forced to not have an abortion whereas there is no law that says like men aren't allowed to do certain things, right? How about circumcision? Or like how about a law

Marin Carrerathat says when they turn 13 they all have to get a vasectomy because then they can't get someone pregnant and they can get it reversed whenever they want. That would be an issue because it hurts

Marin Carreratheir right to their own bodily autonomy. However, that's not a law. The only the only laws that affect bodily autonomy happen towards women. That's

Brian Atlaswhat I can you think of any law that or uh can you think of any law that relates to the bodily autonomy of men? The only thing I can think of or the taking away of it. The only thing I can think of

Marin Carrerawould be the draft. But I already said that I don't think that should be a thing. But it is a thing. But I already said I don't think it should be. Just like I don't think women should be forced to not get abortions. Right. So

Brian Atlaslike I don't know where you're trying to get at me with that. But yeah. Well, originally you were making the claim that there's no nothing, at least as it relates to law, that takes away men's bodily autonomy, and you you mentioned one. I give you, I guess, some credit

Brian Atlasthere for at least saying that force military conscription would take away men's bodily autonomy. But like I said, I don't think that should be a thing. But it is a thing. But I it doesn't

Brian Atlasmatter what you think. It's reality and that's what it is. I can give you two others though. I'd like to give you two other examples. uh when it as it relates

Brian Atlasto bodily autonomy. So, uh infant boys are circumcision. Circumcised. That's the parents choice. Well, here's the difference. I don't I don't think that should happen. Yes, I agree with you.

Brian AtlasI'm well, I'm against circumcision. But what I would point out to you, while there aren't any laws, for example, that force boys to get circumcised, you would have to agree that there's significant

Brian Atlassocial pressure, cultural pressure, religious pressure, and uh you know, even in on the healthc care front, there's certain I would call it

Brian Atlaspropaganda that relates to this where doctors are like pediatricians are advocating for the the procedure of circumcision. But what I would point out

Brian Atlasthough that does sort of relate to do thank you for your addition to the conversation. I appreciate it while I was talking. Hold on. Well, I'd like to

Brian Atlasfinish my thoughts. So, uh there is a law that is sort of related to this. So, the circumcision of

Marin Carrerauh of baby girls is outlawed. Yeah. So, while there isn't circumcise a woman, it's horrible. Well, it's female genital female genital mutilation. It happens a

Brian Atlaslot in like um tra tribes in like Somalia and stuff. It's very brutal. And I think it's good that we have laws on the books against female genital mutilation. But I think there ought to

Brian Atlasbe a corresponding law to prevent circumcision or what I call male genital mutilation, but there isn't. So that would indicate to me, although again there's no law that says men must be circumcised, there is a law that

Brian Atlasprevents it from ever happening to baby girls, but society and culture has completely accepted this barbaric practice as it relates to baby boys. Can I say something? Yep. I'm not fully sure how circumcision works. I've never

Marin Carreraresearched that. I'm pretty sure it's like a surgical practice. Correct. Like the baby boy would go under or would be put under some sort of a medication or something. think it doesn't just happen like right out there in the wild. I'm

Marin Carreraactually not entirely sure. I think they do it when the boy Yeah, I know they do it right when the boy is born and I'm not sure the surgical practice of it, but I know that female genital mutilation happens when the woman is

Marin Carreracompletely of age and conscious. No medical practice is usually used. Well, it doesn't happen in the US. Yeah. But no medical practice is usually used. No

Marin Carreraanesthesia, no pain meds, no nothing. The girl is strapped down and just carved up and then stitched up. And the reason this is also done to the reason

Marin Carrerait happens is because they want to make sure that the woman is a virgin so you can see that she's still stitched up when you marry her. Circumcision is a religious practice

Marin Carrerathat happened a long time ago. Do I think it's right? No. Do I think I'm going to circumcise my sons? No. However, go ahead. You cannot compare the two fully. Uh actually I can and

Brian Atlashere's why. So for example, one of the arguments that they often make there's a social component too as it relates to circumcision. Women's own preferences dictate this. Like there there is a

Brian Atlascomponent of parents being like well I live in a society where circumcision is practiced. And if my son there's a there's a healthc care component that's kind of [ __ ] like hygiene whatever.

Brian AtlasUh there's plenty of men in the world who are not circumcised, who have perfectly good hygiene, right? But there is a social component where parents are going to make a determination. Well, everybody else is circumcised. Is my is

Brian Atlasmy baby boy going to fare perhaps worse when it comes to dating or well, when he becomes an adult, when he does become uh start dating because of women's genitalia preferences. And it seems to me the case there's a lot of women,

Brian Atlasespecially in countries where men are circumcised, women have very strong preferences towards circumcised men. It's because they didn't have the option of ch of and single moms are almost invariably always getting their baby

Marin Carreraboys uh circumcised in the United States. I'll just make the point I've never met anyone who cared. Um I understand that it is a thing in I don't even know what religion actually circumcises. I've never done research on

Brian Atlascircumcision or circumization or whatever. But um do I think it's right? I never said that. So, but I we talking about we're talking about bodily

Brian Atlasautonomy and I I do actually think the case at least if we're speaking in the US and a lot of Western countries female gen general mutilation and if I'm even willing to grant that like at least some

Brian Atlasof your argument has merit in so far as uh perhaps the reasons they do it are very questionable or they do it at a certain age where it's like okay although I would say there's plenty of men who didn't get circumcised when

Marin Carrerathey're babies and they get circumcised later on in life circumcised with like no pain. Do they get circumcised with no pain meds, no nothing? Or like I I would like to know how the procedure is done. I again not a total expert on this

Brian Atlasbecause I'm almost certain it's not as barbaric at adult. Well, in the again in the United States, my understanding if you're an adult male and you opt to get circumcised, there's going to be some

Brian Atlaslevel of sedation. I assume uh I don't know if it's like localized anesthesia. I'm not an expert on adult male circumcisions, but I would again point

Brian Atlasout that there are laws on the book that completely completely preclude female genital mutilation. So that can't be done. Uh so that does relate to bodily autonomy. Then then the other one would be well you mentioned the draft so I

Brian Atlaswon't go into that. The other one would be uh kind of related to the abortion or um the uh getting pregnant or whatever

Brian Atlasis so we did away with debtor's prisons many like a long time ago we realized that if you owed a debt if you owed money that you shouldn't have to go to prison for it. We did away with that. uh

Brian Atlasthere can be sort of penalties and ramifications your credit score. They could they could garnish your wages, but you can't be sent to prison if you owe somebody money. The only way though that this is still actually a thing is

Brian Atlasthrough child support. And this disproportionately impacts men. I think 97% of child support payments go from men to women. If you uh if you have a

Brian Atlaskid, your bodily autonomy can be taken away if you don't pay child support. And then in in addition to that, there's another component besides like prison time or jail for not paying child

Brian Atlassupport. You also they can essentially in fear of potentially going to prison, you're basically can be forced to work when you otherwise wouldn't. And I would consider that under the purview of

Brian Atlastaking away somebody's bodily autonomy. If the court says go to work and work some job that you don't want to do, yeah, that would kind of be taking away your bodily autonomy. It's modern day slavery. It's a horrible thing. It's

Marin Carreradebt sla or Yeah, I guess debt slavery basically. I know it's bad. I don't I don't support it. The But that's the current system. System is for profit.

Marin CarreraSure. Yeah. But like I could not they people don't I don't support that and I don't support taking away a woman's right to get an abortion. So I'm on like

Marin Carreraboth sides and you're acting like I'm I'm saying that like all men should have to do all that stuff while women should get all the freebies. I'm not saying that at all. Men shouldn't have to deal with that stuff and women shouldn't have

Marin Carrerato deal with our stuff. Everyone should have the right to their own body. Do you think men should pay child support? I mean, it it depends. If a if a mother decides to give up the child, then no.

Brian AtlasBut no, she chooses to keep it unilaterally. Let's say um the man says, "I don't want it." The woman says, "I do want it." And no, I don't think the man should have to pay child support. You do recognize though that under the current

Brian Atlassystem, every single state, despite the the man's wishes, say he doesn't want the child in each instance, the woman can force him through the state to pay child support. And if he doesn't, he ends up in jail. I don't think that's

Marin Carrerafair. If he didn't want to have a child, why did he inj people get pregnant by accident all the time? If if he gets her pregnant and she says, "Actually, I want to keep it." And he says, "No, I really don't want to

Marin Carrerakeep it. I don't have the money for that. I don't have the time for that. I don't want to be a part of this anymore. I'm dumping you. And she decides to keep it on her own. She's responsible for that child. He should not have to pay child support. It's not the case though.

Marin CarreraToo too tango. We can talk about what should be sad. Like I don't know why. I don't like Do you want me to like become the president and change things like that would be a difficult thing for me to do. All I can do is advocate for what

Marin CarreraI believe in. I mean, and I'm doing that right now. I don't think men should have to pay child support if they make it clear before the woman gives birth. I do not want this child. If he doesn't know about the child, any of that, he should

Brian Atlasnot be forced to pay child support. Mhm. Well, I mean, I I suppose I would extend an maybe I don't know if this is an olive branch to you, Marin. Uh I don't know if you've seen how the there's this article recently about how the Democrats aren't able to reach uh men. I don't

Brian Atlasknow if you heard about that. They're struggling to capture male voters. The Democratic part, are you a Democrat? I don't really. I'm kind of unlabeled. Well, did you vote for Camala or Yeah, I voted for Kamala. Um although but like

Brian AtlasI'm not against Republicans. I'm purely against Donald Trump. Okay, that's fair enough. Um I think that and you're also a pro-choice, right? Yes. You're okay. You're you're in favor of abortion. You

Brian Atlasknow what could actually be a compelling argument to get a bit more men to to be pro-choice, but also to lean a bit more uh left or at least more Democrat. Men shouldn't have to pay child support. I

Brian Atlasthink if you make the if you make the argument that attached to securing abortion rights for women, you were to say in instances where men didn't want to have children, they could do

Brian Atlassomething called legal paternal surrender where they say I'm relinquishing all paternal rights to the child and in so doing I'm not financially or parentally obligated to the child in any way. Now this would be

Natalia Starsort of like then the government has to step in which like will help with sure I guess food stamps and all that that means we're all paying for it the taxpayers are paying for that baby.

Brian AtlasSure. But I think anyways my position if we're talking about what is in any state where women do have abortion rights. I think men should have a corresponding

Natalia Starright to not have any sort of parental responsibility which includes child support. Yeah. One of my friends uh personally had a baby with a random girl

Natalia Starand he was he went to court. He went to find for this child. He wanted that child. He helped her. He has a child now. So there are men who want to take care of their kids. Even good men out

Natalia Starthere that want to help out. No, but he's just saying like like imagine you're a man and you get someone. Well, he did it. He he that's part of him.

Natalia StarThat's still his child. That's still his DNA. That's still a part of him. Why would you not want to take care of something that is you a part of? That's why women get abortions cuz they're not ready to have a child. They don't want

Marin Carrerato have the child. They don't feel physically or emotionally or um financially ready to have a child. If a man doesn't feel that way and the woman wants to keep it, the man should be able to not have to take care of the

Lynnchild. Even if the woman wants him to or not, that's like trapping him. You should be considering all those things before even having sex, though. Mhm. Yeah. Already. Yeah. But also, I just don't think it's right to just have the

Lynnmen relinquish their rights so easily. What if the dad just want to be a dad beat dad? He just simply wants to escape all the responsibility after impregnating the woman. When the woman can have a choice to not let that dad

Lynninto the life when when he had chose to have sex with this woman, he should have considered there's a possibility of pregnancy. And well, are you are you pro-choice or pro-life? Uh, I think I'm pro-choice. Okay, but hold on. But the

Brian Atlasthing you're going to have to contend with is people who are pro-life are going to make those same exact arguments towards women. What the moment of conception?

Brian AtlasBut the thing is there but why? Okay. But so hold on to be consistent though. If you're saying well hold on like let me frame it like this. The man let's say

Brian Atlasthe man doesn't want to he's not ready to be a father. He's not financially ready. Or here, let me change it. The the woman is not financially ready to be a

Lynnmother. Would you say that under those circumstances, it's okay for her to have an abortion? I mean, if she I think this goes to the autonomy of um a body. So, it's women's choice whether they want to

Brian Atlaskeep the child or not. But yeah, but I'm just asking about the reasons why. So, you might even say whatever reason. Maybe there's no reason, she just wants to get an abortion. You'd be fine with it, right? Um yeah, I think it would be

Lynnfine. But of course uh maybe there's some internal discussion between the men and women. But okay. So you would agree though that a woman who wanted to get an abortion for the following two reasons.

Brian AtlasShe's not ready to be a mother and she's not financially ready. Yeah. That's very plausible. That's good reasons. Yes. Okay. But so then why are you saying if the if men make this similar argument,

Brian AtlasI'm not financially ready. I don't want to be a father. Why do you then say tough luck, you should have kept it in your pants. You

Brian Atlasshouldn't have done that. Why don't you apply that same uh that that same like what I said that men should be allowed to have an out just like a woman does with an abortion? Well, it's interesting when it comes to women like when it

Brian Atlascomes to men's responsibility, you guys are basically like bronze age prolifers. You should have kept it in your pants. You shouldn't have had sex. Not you. But that's the argument these two are

Brian Atlasmaking. They're saying they're saying, "Oh, well, you should have thought of that before you had sex. Why can't I use that argument for women who want to get abortions?" But why is it also fair for women who want to keep the child? The

Lynnwomen could also be financially unstable. And why is it her sole responsibility to raise a child? Because when you go through pregnancy, you develop this natural attachment to the

Lynnchildren. So some women they may feel like it's homicide to um to get an abortion. So I think like the men they could simply use as an excuse um

Lynnattributing it to their financial distress to not pay for child support. And I think this will create a lot of legal loopholes for guys to just not take on the responsibility they should. And but I think look ultimately I don't

Brian Atlasknow if you're going to share this view uh if from the from the pro-life perspective uh they would consider this murder if you're getting an abortion they consider it murder right so why are

Lynnwomen allowed to murder their children but it's not okay for men to abandon their children I mean this is murder and abandonment are two different things

Lynnlike murder of course murder is taking away someone's like life. When does it when does life begin? Oh my god. I mean that's uh that depends on how it's

Lynndefined medically. Uh but I when you life begins when you breathe. When the I guess when the heart life begins when the heartbeat is detected. Okay. When's

Lynnthat? Uh I mean I have never gone through pregnancy but I guess depends on the trimester. You have to ask someone who has you think life begins when the baby's out? No. Once it's out. So, you'd

Brian Atlasbe you're you're fine with abortions up until birth. No, but I thought but if it's not a life, why can't you abort the That's not what I mean. But that's You

Marin Carrerasaid that's when life begins. The that literally I think it's at 12 weeks is when the cut off is, but some states have lowered that to 6 weeks, which a lot of women don't even know they're

Marin Carrerapregnant at 6 weeks sometimes. Um, obviously in all states it's illegal to get rid of the baby after a certain amount of time because it's like a full formed child. And I think that that is accurate and I think that should stay a

Marin Carrerarule. You know, if it's if you're in your second, third trimester and you're trying to get rid of the child, that is murder. However, I also agree with you like if a woman wants to keep it and the man says, "I'm not ready," the man should be able to not be involved in the

Marin Carrerachild's life and should not have to pay child support. Um, but also a woman should be able to get an abortion at before a certain time if they feel the need to. But I guess I'm arguing, yeah,

Brian Atlasthe whole like they're pro-choice, but also men should still be responsible. That's where I'm I just think it's cruel on the women to take on all the um child care and responsibility after the child

Lynnis born. Like the men, they can probably just come up with excuses of not being financially able to take care of the child, but then they will still be able to afford like video games, like uh

Marin Carreradrinks at a bar. My issue with that statement is if a man went to the woman right when the baby was detected, right? Like when the woman could still get an

Marin Carreraabortion and express to the woman, I cannot be the father of this child. I don't want this child. I don't want to be involved. and the woman still decides to go through with it, she is taking on

Marin Carrerathat responsibility and it should not be put all on the man at that point. If the man says, "I'll do it with you if you do it." And then takes that away when the

Marin Carrerachild's like a year old, then it makes sense to like go to court and say, "You need to help me cuz you said that you would." However, if he expresses in the beginning, I do not want this child,

Marin Carrerathen it is then the woman's responsibility to take care of the child if she decides to have it. But I do think she should be able to decide to have it or not. Yeah. But also, I think like from a morality standpoint, it's

Marin Carrerajust really sad to see a man giving up, willing to give up on his child, not willing to establish any sort of connection. But on a legal level, if you want women's to have the right to have an abortion, you should also allow men

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Marin Carrerapractice and so it shouldn't exist anymore. I don't like go talk to your local government about that. I'm not the one. Moving off of abortion, Marin

Marin Carreraagain. You said you're a misandreist. Why? How? What is misandry? Can I not answer this again? I've answered this like seven times. Her whole voice. No. Right. Can like other

Brian Atlaspeople speak? No. She's definitely stealing the steing the show. Um but uh Oh, okay. I'm going to go to that. She she she needs to uh go do a bathroom break here. Uh here we're gonna get into

Lynnuh Lynn, you said that a man dating a transgender woman is straight. Why is that? Um yeah, because I think uh transgender

Lynnwomen psychologically they believe they are women. So and uh their ID also identifies them as female. So of course

Brian Atlasit's it's not like homosexual for a man to date a transgender woman. Wait, you said their ID says that they're they you think people do you think people can change

Lynntheir sex? Yeah, I think people who have gone through uh transgender surgeries, they are able to change their gender on their identifications.

Brian AtlasWould you Okay. Um so you I guess you can change I well for the sake of argument I'll just go ahead and grant that you can change your gender but I

Lynndon't think you can change your sex. Um, but also sex is identifi but what's even the difference between like sex and gender? I thought they are interrelated.

Brian AtlasWell, I think so too. Yeah. And I don't but for the sake of argument, there's like gender identity and then there's sex. Yeah. So, so sex relates to your biology, your chromosomes. Yeah. So, if

Lynnthey're transgender, that means they have gone through the procedures. So, biological not all not all transgender people have their stuff. Yeah. But I would say like in my answer I referred

Haley + Felicity (blended)most to people have gone through the procedures. Hold on. Continue. So So you don't think

Lynnuh XX chromosomes matter? I mean the thing is a men who has decided to um go through the procedures.

LynnSo that means uh psychologically no a man before they uh go through the procedure they are men and then after the procedure and even actually before they decided to take the procedure they

Lynnstill um they probably like psychologically identify themselves as women already. So that's why they decided to go through the procedure and

Lynnto become a woman legally. So I feel like it would be an ordeal to to make them still like men after they have gone through all the procedures to like

Natalia Starchange their identity to feel more alive for becoming like who they're more affiliated with. I still believe that. But I do believe if uh a man is attracted to a trans woman, I still

Kayn Maythink that's a little bit you think that's homosexual. I I I think it has to do with if she passes. As in like I've been at a table with a trans woman who I 10,000% thought was a real woman. Like

Kayn Mayher work was so good. Everything was so good. And there's straight women that with the BBLs and the surgeries look like trans women. Okay. So I'm I'm not

Kayn Mayfinished. So if somebody if a man finds a person identifying as a woman very attractive and wants to date them, I don't necessarily think that that makes

Kayn Maythe man gay until they get deeper into the conversation. And if he's turned on by the fact that she still has a dick between her legs and likes to put it and is so excited to put it in her butt, then yeah, it is kind of like a you'd

Kayn Maypotentially rather be with a man, but you're happy cuz this man is feminine. And I think once they're fully transitioned through the surgery, then it goes back to if if they really pass inspection and 100% look and feel like a

Haley + Felicity (blended)woman, then wouldn't you say that they're attracted to femininity? And again, wouldn't you rather say that they're attracted to the

Kayn Mayfemin they don't care if they see a penis? Um, I didn't say they don't care. You said if they have a BBL and they get the fake. I'm saying there are there are heterosexual women who get surgeries and

Kayn Mayit actually makes them look more trans. So the American beauty standard of what women should look like or what what America finds hot has transitioned into trans being attractive. Like the woman

Kayn Maywho was just sitting here had eyebrows that looked like a drag queen. Like she could have passed as trans. I'm sorry. It was fake hair, fake surgery, and her makeup was like a drag queen. So I think

Lynnthat there are trans people who as a feminine woman. You should have had that smoke for her when she was here. We weren't talk. Nobody was talking to like we were just talking about her. I think it really depends on the phase of the

Kayn Maytransition. Are we talking about Wait, question. So a guy sucking a woman's dick. Is that straight? Women don't have dick. Sucking dick is referring to

Natalia Starpeople. But trans can trans Hold on. Can trans women have penises? Yes. But that makes them gay. I'm not I'm agreeing with if a if a a man is

Natalia Starattracted to a penis, that means that he is Yeah. But also sometime they're just attracted by the femininity. Um because if you I know trans women and they tell me they guys love the fact that she has

Lynna one. She they they look for that. That's all I'll say is this. It's going to be a hard sell. I know a lot of trans women. So if I see a guy sucking on a penis penis. Yeah. But I'm not talking about like a woman who has

Lynnnot finished the transition. I'm talking about a woman who looks feminine, who dresses feminine, who feels that is there a penis? Is there a penis? Probably probably not. So she [ __ ] probably that question should

Brian Atlashave been defined more narrowly. How do you define transgender? All right. Uh here, let me blast through these cuz I want to try to get this hopefully wrapped up on the sooner side. Really quick, if you guys can be give me quick rapidfire answers. What would you want

Natalia Starthe minimum yearly income to be for your future husband? I don't care. Me a lot. Like probably two, three million at least. A year. A year? Yeah.

Brian AtlasShe's got high standards, I guess. Reach for the stars, girl. The guy I'm seeing is about to buy Bugatti. So, that's just similar to my income. You

Lynnsaid 220,000 plus. I told him not. Yeah, but it could go lower. Um, I would just I just don't like to I don't just don't like any like big discrepancy. Okay.

Kayn MayWhat about you? There's a lot of variables it depends on for me. Uh, bare minimum. Where where do we live? You know, like

Kayn MaySouthern California. Okay. Minimum 500,000 a year. 500,000 a year. What? I mean, I I've

Kayn Maymade 150,000 a year and had nothing left over at the end of it. So, It depends on assets. It depends what their other like somebody doesn't have to be high income rich if they have all their assets paid

Brian Atlasoff and like I think there's a lot of variables that go into play. Well, you said you've been single for your entire adult life basically, right? She's settling for Jake

Kayn MayGyllenhaal. She wants a guy who makes $500,000 minimum $500,000 a year. You got to lower yourself. I'm sorry. I didn't want to settle for the You got to settle the losers. I've been proposed

Brian Atlasthree times. I've had people try to, you know, get me to do green card marriages for money. Money doesn't Money doesn't win me over. You said you haven't had a relationship your entire adult life. How How did you get three proposals that

Kayn Maywere legitimate? Men fall in love with me. It doesn't mean they were my public boyfriend. Doesn't mean I ever introduced them to my family. Okay. Uh what about you? Minimum yearly income? 60K. 60K. All right.

Marin CarreraShe wants five 500,000 cuz I said I don't care. Um, obviously just enough for them. Hey. Hey, she's talking. Be quiet. Please go ahead. Just enough for them to live on their own.

Marin CarreraEven if it's a shitty one-bedroom apartment, even if it's a studio, just enough for them to live on their own. And then if I have an income, we can combine ours. That's it. How tall are you? And what's the minimum height of a man you would date? I'm 6 foot. I would

Marin Carreradate any man 6 foot or over because I don't want to date someone shorter than me. that were 5'6. I've dated that were I'm 5'8. Okay. What about you? I'm 5'4, so probably 510. What about you? I like

Brian Atlastall men, but I don't discriminate height. My boyfriend was 5'3. Okay. What about you? 5'7 and 5'4. All right. Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike?

Marin CarreraUm, usually men who hike are pretty nice, so probably I don't care. However, bears are also awesome to see. So, I'd say bear. Okay. You did say bear in the questionnaire here. What about

Brian Atlasyou? I did say bear. Bear. Man. Okay. I will freeze if I see a bear. What about you, man? Man. Okay. And then for you two, why why do you

Marin Carrerapick bear? Why don't you pick man? Um, well, first I said like most men, I don't really hike alone, so I don't really care. Um, but I know what to do if I see a bear. Brown, lay down, get on

Marin Carrerathe ground, attack. Um, white, say good night because you're about to die. So, I think bears are cool. I've seen lots of bears in my hiking adventures and

Marin Carrerathey never bother me. However, you know, on the off chance that a man is hiking that has bad intentions, I mean, usually the men who hike don't have bad intentions, so like I don't really care,

Marin Carrerabut bears are awesome, so I pick bear. Wouldn't you think you would have a better chance against a man than a bear? Um, I've never had a bear even like really look me in the eye of being like right next to them. They really don't

Marin Carrerawant to like bother you unless you like try to like attack it. They're also like 500 lb and they have really sharp Well, did you hear what I just said? Bears don't bother you unless you

Marin Carrerabother. They don't bother you. So, you know, a bear attack before. Well, depends what that person is doing. I know. I've seen bear attacks where they're like filming the bear and trying to get close to the bear or trying to

Marin Carreralike touch a cub of the bear and a bear might attack. But in a normal basis, if you're on a hike and you see a bear, like you're probably definitely going to be fine. However, men could do other things. And

Marin Carrerayou know, I'm not saying that every man on a hike is going to like shoot and kill me or kidnap me. However, why why' you pick bear? I could tame a bear. Oh, okay. There's not a component of like men. Do you think men are more

Natalia Stardangerous? There was a bear in Poland that was um in war. Like they trained a bear to be a soldier. So like men are not trainable. Bears are trainable.

Brian AtlasI'm sorry. That is possibly the most [ __ ] thing I've heard on this podcast. There was a bear in a in World War II that I realized that there's like been millions upon millions of male soldiers who Yeah, but they trained a

Brian Atlasbear to be a soldier. So like that that's freaking cool. That was one bear though. One bear versus how the question

Brian Atlasshe gave you an answer. She said men are not trainable. Dubious. Uh bears are trainable. Okay. I've seen where I'd hike. I've I'm not

Brian Atlastrying to be mean, but like some of the things you say are a little a little ridiculous. Um and Marin, is there a thing a component here at least as to you picking the bear? You're like, "Okay, well, a bear could

Marin Carrerakill me. A man could kill me. A man could also like torture me, essay, this sort of thing." Well, that is true. But like I said, honestly, on a hike, like I'm usually not worried about that, especially cuz I don't really hike alone. So, I don't really care if it's a

Brian Atlasman or a bear. I would say hi to both. I guess I'm um But I'd rather see a bear cuz bears are cool. I can I ask you a question? Do you think Do you think if

Marin Carrerawomen pick bear over man, do you think they're sexist? No. You you don't think it's sexist to pick a bear over man? You know, the whole question is like when I hear the question and I see women

Marin Carreraanswering and saying like definitely the bear, they're not talking and they're not thinking about a normal man that you cross on the street. Like if I saw you while hiking, I wouldn't sprint the

Marin Carreraother way and act dead and be scared. However, if you're asking if would I rather come across a convicted felon rapist, sorry, sorry. Okay, go ahead. Um,

Marin Carreraessayist scary man who's killed someone or something or a bear, I'd pick the bear. And I think a lot of women who hear that question and answer bear are thinking about like, would I rather see

Marin Carreraa bear or an aggressive scary man? Because not obviously not every man who hikes is going to be scary. However, would I rather see a scary, aggressive man on a hike or a bear? Definitely a

Brian Atlasbear. A random man. I mean, I would still pick bear cuz I like bears, but I wouldn't be scared of a random man on a hike. Okay. So, but again, the question is though, is it

Brian Atlassexist for women to pick bear over men? No. Let me ask you a question. Would it be racist to pick, let's say, uh I guess you're ask you could you'd be asking a

Brian Atlaswhite person this uh would you rather come across a bear or a black person? A bear. I like bears. You you'd rather come across a bear than a while hiking?

Marin CarreraBlack person. Is it a woman or a man? [ __ ] Hold on. When you said bear or man, I didn't automatically think of a white man. I just thought of any man.

Brian AtlasRight. All right. But so I'm just asking um would Okay. Would you rather come come across a bear or a black person?

Marin CarreraI again I don't care. But I like bears. I would like to see a bear. So bear, but like I said, I wouldn't see a black woman or man or whatever on the

Kayn Maytrail and run and scream and hide. I would be scared of the white man instead of a black man. Apparently, I'd be scared of the white bear. So, I'd pick a black man over a white bear. Well, over a white bear. Yeah. While you're right. So, you have to give a race to the bear

Brian Atlasif you're gonna give a race to the guy. I guess look, the the reason I ask black, brown, or white bear. So, my position would be though my position would be we need a poop. If somebody picked bear over black person, I think

Brian Atlasthat this would point to towards racism. But I picked bear over white man. Also, that would also point towards either sexism. But I said black person, not

Brian Atlasblack man. Okay. Well, but gender is the person. Are you scared of black people? Oh my god. Are you actually How did you come to that conclusion? Um, that's in I'm not

Natalia Starscared. No, I'm not scared of black people. It's a hypothetical. What I'm trying to say is would it be Asian man or would I be scared of an Asian man? Why would That's a weird analogy. Well, then you

Brian Atlaswould have to say that I grew up in a hood. I'm not scared of nobody. No one, you know, no one's trying to hurt you. Okay. What I'm trying to point to is that there seems

Brian Atlasto be some level of acceptance of women picking bear over man. But I think if it was the case that we changed the question like I just did uh to say, "Well, would you pick a black person over a bear?" And if people started

Brian Atlaspicking the bear over black people, they'd probably point to this being racist. And so I then think if that is

Brian Atlasracist, if that is racist, then surely it must be sexist to pick bear over man. Okay. What I just said though, like in my opinion, Well, yeah. You want to hang out with a bear. So, no, no, no, no. But

Marin Carrerain my opinion, when you ask women, man or bear, they're not thinking about a normal man on the side of the street. They're thinking about the worst case

Brian Atlasscenario of a man that could hurt them. Okay, sure. But like and like the worst scenario of a bear could hurt you. But the vast majority of men, they're not violent. They would never do they would

Marin Carreranever like victimize you in any way. However, if you're asking man or bear and you're thinking bear is scary and could kill me, but if you want to point towards a man, a man could also kill me.

Marin CarreraAnd if I would rather run across a bear than a murderous scary kidnapper man. However, I know that a normal man hiking isn't out to get me. And I think a lot

Marin Carreraof women also know that. It's just the way the questions phrased make them want to pick bear because they're thinking of the worst type of man. Got it. Okay, moving things on. Don't want to linger too long just so we can get things

Brian Atlasmoving. Uh you you do say here, Marin, women can't be sexist towards men or you agree with the statement rather. You agree with the statement that women can't be sexist towards men.

Marin CarreraI view that as the same statement of white pe white people or black people can't be racist towards white people systematically. I mean, it's almost

Brian Atlasimpossible because of the way that the system has been set up. So, you think racism has to include a component of

Marin Carreralike systemic power? Well, systemically it's a like a lot. It's not really h it doesn't really happen. I

Marin Carreramean, I'm sure it happens a tiny bit, but like low IQ. What? Being racist is low IQ. No, I'm just saying like I don't think systemically black people can be

Marin Carreraracist towards white people. I don't think systemically women can be sexist towards men because men have the power and men make the decisions right now. So even if even if a woman on the street is

Marin Carrerasexist towards a man a little bit like it can happen on a tiny level but systemically like no. Can men experience systemic sexism?

Brian AtlasIt would take a lot. It would take a lot. I mean I don't see it happening. Men get sex all the time. We already discussed this. It just even goes back to circumcision. It goes back to forced

Brian Atlasmilitary conscription. It goes back to uh disproportionality. Men made all those things. Is it sexist if a man did it to an American? Can you speak into the mic, please? You're It's Come on.

Brian AtlasUm I would say the government So the government is a men does not equal government. Men are not the government.

Brian AtlasThe government is a separate entity from men. You would agree that there are women in the government though who wrote who wrote who whose signatures are on the independence? Are there any women on

Brian Atlasthat? Tell me how would that matter? Tell me which men are responsible. First off, men are not a hive mind. Uh we were left out of the conversation. I'm not.

Natalia StarExplain how I'm benefiting from the system as a man. By existing. You get so much privilege. What privilege do I have

Brian Atlasbeing here? What do you You're here too. What? I Women can have the podcasts, too. Women have podcasts. As a white man, what does race have to do with

Brian AtlasBlack people have Black men have podcasts, too, and they're really good at it. In fact, the most popular live streamers in the

Brian AtlasKaisenat, I show Speed, two very young black men. You had the privilege to drop out of college, and that is a privilege. How is that a privilege to drop? Because it meant you saw a life plan for

Kayn Mayyourself that didn't involve needing an education or needing any kind of certification or documentation. How would dropping out of college be evidence of privilege? Because it means you could afford to drop out. Do you think Wait, wait, wait. So, so when men

Kayn Maydrop out of high school, is that privilege? High school and college are two totally different things. You're saying they're both education. Flunking out and dropping out are two different things.

Kayn MayHow would it be privilege to drop out of high or college? I you It's almost like a sense of entitlement saying like, you know what, this was fun, but I don't need the education. I'm going to go do my own thing over here and figure out

Kayn Mayhow to work the system in my favor. And maybe it was your parents that helped you out. Maybe it was You're making a lot of assumptions. Everything is an assumption. This entire thing we're assuming, we're we're theorizing.

Brian AtlasTalking about No, not really. You are. You're making an assumption about my live life experience. You're asking what your privilege is and bas you've told us very little about yourself. Okay. One

Brian Atlasthing you said was you dropped out of college. Why did you feel why did you not feel the need to finish? What if it was the case with the statistics? Sure. Go ahead. Yeah. What if it was the case

Brian Atlasthat because of my gender, I was struggling in college and that's why I dropped out. I don't believe you. Oh, she doesn't. But that's your experience. Well, just to be clear, that's not actually the case. But what if it was

Brian Atlasthe case? How would that be privilege if I dropped out or what if I dropped out for financial feel like people were being nice to you? What What if I try being I mean like there there's a a number of situations where people are

Brian Atlasnot going to be nice to you. It doesn't mean you give up. It doesn't mean you check out and say, "I don't need this anymore." With Marin, who's at least attempting to make logical arguments, I'm sorry. I can I just cannot make like

Brian AtlasI can't argue. Why did you drop out of college? I'm curious. Because of my male privilege. That's why I dropped out. You You already said that's not the case. Because I dropped out because of my male privilege. That's

Kayn Maywhy. Um I'm sorry. I'm just not going to entertain this argument with you because it doesn't make it. It's incomprehensible. So there's a cheat sheet of what your answers are and we're all supposed to go around and guess or

Kayn Mayexplain to you what your privilege is as a white man in this country. But tell me the first thing somebody says you're saying no that's not true. It's I don't think observation what let me ask you

Brian Atlasthis. What would be I guess more of a privilege having completed college or having dropped out of college? I think both are both are a privilege.

Kayn MayWhat would be what would have better life outcomes for the average person, dropping out of college or completing college? Honestly, I think dropping out because being uh the the higher education system

Kayn Mayin America, which like I have not paid back my student loans. Uh my college got shut down by a for-profit corporation who deemed it unprofitable and it had a 70-year

Kayn Mayreputation as the best art school in the country. So tell like logic doesn't always plan. It's greed and it's men have the ability to do more. Okay, I'll

Lynnstop. Sorry. I'm just It's just I mean, you're clearly irritated, so I'm just not hearing an argument. The points to irritate us, not to irritate you, right? I just don't I personally think it's

Lynnsituational whether you want to stay in college or drop out of college because if you really don't think you're the studying m material and you can choose to become like a blue collar worker because in real life I'm yeah I'm just

Lynnsaying like not talking about Brian specifically but yeah some plumbers and handymen they do make more money but of course if you want to go onto like more complex professions like you sell sneakers online that make more money

Haley + Felicity (blended)yeah then you need The key word personal choice, what are we talking about right now? The key word is privilege. How is it a privilege to drop out of college? So, I don't think

Brian Atlasthis is related to system out of college. Felicity is right. It's it's kind of incoherent, so I'm just going to move it on. But it's not related to gender. Really quick, going back to this, you said people of color can't be racist towards white people. Women can't be sexist towards men. Are you talking

Brian Atlassystemically or would you agree on an individual level a black person could be racist towards a white person? On an individual level, that can happen systemically. Not really. Not really. Let me ask you a question. If Barack

Brian AtlasObama, when he was president, refused to hire a white janitor, would that be systemically uh and not just a singular janitor, but all the janitors that worked for the

Brian AtlasWhite House? Uh would that be racist? I don't think so. No. So, wait, just to be clear, at the time, he was the most powerful man in the United States, the most powerful man in the world. He was

Brian Atlasthe leader and the boss and the president of the executive branch of the United States government. The executive branch of the United States government being a system. So how would it not be

Marin Carrerasystemically sexist if Barack Obama had like a policy to not hire white janitors? If he made that a policy for the entire US and

Brian Atlassaid allowed to hire white janitors, all federal all federal uh institutions could not hire white janitors. Then yeah, that would be I guess racist.

Brian AtlasSystemically racist. Yeah. Okay. Except for that didn't happen and that hasn't happened. I know it's a hypothetical. I'm just testing the logic here. Women can't be sexist towards men. I assume it would be the same thing. Like if uh Camala Harris, she won the presidency

Marin Carreraand she refused to hire male janitors. You would have to agree that systemically that this would be sexist towards men. I guess for both honestly it depends on I mean if she said no one in the whole

Marin CarreraUS is allowed to hire male janitors or whatever then yeah that would be wrong. However, if she made the executive decision for just the White House only to hire women. If she said like that's just my choice then no. If she said it's

Brian Atlasbecause I hate men then that would be sexist. Sure. Moving on. You said women or you agree with the statement women are the primary victims of war not men. Although it seems like you did like kind of a squiggly line. So maybe Yeah, I

Marin Carrerasaid I I don't really know. Um I know a lot of women and children suffer at the hands of war when are they the primary victims though? I think everyone's a

Brian Atlasvictim. No, I I agree with you that men and women do suffer in war. Uh and they are victims in war. I don't know if they're the primary victims. I put a squiggle there cuz I don't know how to answer that question. So maybe move on.

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