Jubilee Girl Says She Is A MlSANDRlST?! She DEBATES Brian?! Lawyer Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #245

Date: 2025-06-02

Duration: 8h 51m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMarin Carrera >

NNatalia Star >

LLynn (Tax Attorney)>

KKayn May (Photographer)>

HHaley (WSU Finance)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Silana(guest)

SPEAKER_02Haley + Felicity (blended)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Marin Carrera(guest)

SPEAKER_04Natalia Star(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Lynn(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kayn May(guest)

Key Moments

OtherNatalia Star describes masturbating with the moonlight during a full moon and claiming to be trisexual.

“I masturbated with the moon before... It was like mutual masturbation. Like you felt a vibe with them. Yeah. Felt the moon. It was a full moon.”

OtherSilana tells the story of her third husband dying of accidental fentanyl exposure while rescuing her drug-addicted daughter in Los Angeles, December 2020.

“He went to LA December 2nd, 2020... He found her... December 5th he was dead... They found a very little dose of fentanyl in his system which we believe that it was the fentanyl that my daughter had because he fell like that.”

QuoteMarin declares herself a misandrist, not a feminist, saying women are better than men intellectually and as leaders.

“Do you consider yourself a feminist? No. No. No. I'd consider myself a misandrist. A misandress believes that women are actually better than men.”

QuoteMarin states that women have greater intellectual capabilities than men and are more interested in the goodness of their country, while men are more interested in power.

“I believe that women have greater intellectual capabilities than men do. They have a better way to lead... men are more interested in power than they are in the goodness of their country.”

ControversyMarin argues that queens who started wars were controlled by men and not truly in power, countered by Silana citing Margaret Thatcher and the Falklands War.

“Margaret Thatcher started the war taking the Malvina Islands from Argentina. She was a woman and she motivated and she started a war.”

OtherNatalia Star rates herself a 10/10 and references Scarlett Johansson and Sydney Sweeney as her celebrity equivalents.

“10. 10. Okay. Period... Scarlett Johansson. And I've seen her without makeup and she was a 10. And she's a sweet girl. She was super sweet when I met her.”

OtherNatalia Star reveals a body count over 1000, having had 20 partners in one night at gang bang parties. Brian notes she is in the adult industry.

“I'm over a thousand for sure. You're in the industry, right? Yeah. I had like 20 in a night. I used to do gang bang parties back in the day.”

ControversyEnd-of-show confrontation between Marin and Haley over Haley's views on promiscuity, with Marin accusing Haley of imposing her opinions on all women.

“It's when she tries to force them onto all women that I have a problem with... It's the fact that you're trying to make it seem normalized for all women when it's just your opinion.”

Key MomentHaley tells Marin her tits are out in response to Marin criticizing promiscuity; Marin says her boyfriend chose the outfit.

“Not super, but your tits are out. So, the guy I'm with chose this outfit for me.”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

All seven guests introduce themselves: Marin Carrera (viral Jubilee/Charlie Kirk girl), Natalia Star (adult performer/DJ), Lynn (tax attorney), Kayn May (boudoir photographer), Silana (flight attendant/concert pianist/widow), Haley (WSU student), Felicity (Whatever staff/student).

Marin's Jubilee/Charlie Kirk Background

Marin describes how she ended up in the viral Jubilee video debating Charlie Kirk. Applied during COVID, got a call 2 years later, didn't know the opponent was Kirk until she arrived. Went viral for repeatedly saying 'No, I'm speaking' when interrupted. Argued about abortion rights.

Relationship Status Round

Brian goes around table asking current relationship status, longest relationships, who broke up with whom, rosters, orientation, and marriage history. Silana shares story of three marriages; second husband died of stroke; third husband died Dec 2020 of accidental fentanyl exposure rescuing her drug-addicted daughter.

Misandry Debate — Marin vs Brian

Marin declares herself a misandrist (not feminist), arguing women are intellectually superior and better suited to lead. Brian challenges her with data on female monarchs waging more wars, Scandinavian countries having prosperity from natural resources pre-dating female leadership, and college enrollment data showing women outpacing men since 1980. Marin defends position throughout.

Wage Gap Discussion

Extended debate on the gender wage gap. Brian argues it shrinks when controlling for hours worked, industry, and job type. Marin and others argue systemic barriers still exist for women. Lynn notes wage gap exists mainly due to career interruptions from childbearing. Brian presents college enrollment infographics showing women outnumber men since 1980.

Women and Higher Education Data

Brian presents infographics showing women have outnumbered men in US college enrollment since 1980, with current 60/40 female/male split. Counters Marin's claim that men are pushed toward education more. Discussion of men going into blue-collar trades vs women into higher education.

Self-Ratings Round

Brian asks guests to rate their looks 1-10, can't pick 7. Ratings: Marin 5-6, Natalia 10, Lynn 8, Kayn 9, Silana 8, Haley 5, Felicity 6. Guests asked to name celebrity at their level. Natalia claims Scarlett Johansson/Sydney Sweeney level. Kayn claims 9 citing strangers stopping her. Debate about Jake Gyllenhaal (rated 7 by Kayn), Brad Pitt, Ryan Gosling.

Partner Requirements

Brian asks minimum yearly income requirements for a partner. Kayn: $500K/year. Marin: just enough to live independently. Other guests give various answers. Height requirements: Marin is 6'0" and requires minimum 6'0"; others around 5'10". Bear vs man on hike question — Marin and Natalia pick bear, others split.

Privilege Debate — Male vs Female

Discussion on whether men or women have more societal privilege. Marin, Natalia agree men more privileged. Lynn argues from career perspective — pregnancy/childcare forces women to trade off career advancement. Brian argues women have greater privilege in dating market — can choose to be stay-at-home while most men cannot opt out of provider role. Kayn distinguishes income from assets/wealth.

Systemically Racist/Sexist Definitions

Marin argues women can't be sexist toward men and Black people can't be systemically racist toward white people because systemic power defines racism/sexism. Brian pushes back with bear vs man analogy mapped to race. Kayn disagrees with Marin's systemic definition. Brian drops out of college privilege framing from Kayn.

Body Count Discussion

Brian asks everyone's body count. Natalia: 1000+ (in industry, had 20 in one night at gang bang parties). Kayn: over 100, maybe over 200, stopped counting around 10 in high school. Lynn: declined to disclose, said Brian would be 'fine' with it. Marin: 'less than 20,' within range Brian would be fine with. Haley: 2. Brian notes reluctance to disclose suggests body count does matter.

Women's Duties and Promiscuity Debate

Haley states women's duties include not being promiscuous and being loyal and modest. Other guests (Marin, Natalia) push back, arguing women can dress and act as they choose. Heated exchange over gym attire and whether women invite unwanted attention by dressing revealingly. Haley holds conservative position to end of show.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasdate? Yes. Okay. Of course. I've paid for first dates. Sure. I don't dispute that women on occasion will pay for a first date. Of all the first dates you've been on, uh if you had to say like a percentage, what percent of the time does the guy pay for the first

Natalia Stardate? A lot of the guys that I date in my personal life are not as um financially they're broke. Yeah. Okay.

Brian AtlasPeriod. Uh but so but overwhelmingly okay. Major the majority of the time do men pay for the first date for you? Um yeah, when I'm going out on um there's different levels of guys I date. There's

Natalia Starguys that are hot and like [ __ ] boy status. That's the guys I will take out. Though the guys that are more of the husband material, yes, I would have them pay for the date. Okay. What about you? Do you uh when you go on first dates,

Brian Atlaswho pays for the date? Um, definitely the men pay for the first date. But it's just the first date doesn't mean he has to pay for any future date. But of the Okay. Of the people you have dated where

Lynnit went beyond the first date, was there still a pattern of him paying for dates beyond the first date? Um I think generally the men would pay for uh would

Lynnhave a bigger share of the cost. Uh but also depends on the income level, socio economic status of the men I date. So it varies. Well, you're an attorney. Do you

Kayn Maydate many men who work at McDonald's? No. No. You But I bet if she met a really hot musician who like played her songs, she would totally potentially go

Lynnout on some dates with him. Bill, would you marry a guy who made like $50,000 a year? I think um just from a realistic standpoint, it would be hard to have a

Lynnlong-term relationship because I have a different perception uh about money. So, if I want to go on expensive vacation, I don't want to cover 100% the cost for

Lynnfor a man who makes a lot less money than I do. Um you would you would want to date a guy who makes maybe about as much as you or kind of less than me is okay. Um but at least we need to have

Lynnlike the same perception about money. Like for example, um even if I'm dating a super rich guy, but I want to go on an expensive vacation just to treat ourselves, but then he'll be like, "No, I want to save the money." Even though

Lynnyou make like a million dollars a year. So I think it's all about whether your perceptions are aligned. Okay. Uh what about you? First dates, do you pay? Does the guy pay? I definitely prefer if the

Kayn Mayman pays. And if it's a situation where we're splitting or I'm paying, the guy definitely gets docked in boyfriend potential points. Oh, so like he almost gets friend-zoned after that. So let's say you're on a date, you guys went out

Kayn Mayfor dinner, the waiter comes and he's like two checks. You're saying you would dock points 100%. And I think whoever I think whoever picks the restaurant and let's say you pick a a very very

Kayn Mayexpensive restaurant, then you should be willing to pay if the other party when the check comes doesn't reach for What about you? I think uh the man should pay on the first date. What about you? All the men should pay. Felicity, what about

Brian Atlasyou? Man should pay. Okay. Well, Marin, you've heard uh quite a few Yeah. women here. Uh are any of you like consider yourself more liberal or feminist or? Uh

Brian AtlasI don't consider myself any of that. Are do you consider yourself more liberal or I don't think I'm very liberal. A little bit conservative, I would say. Okay. Well, so uh Marin, let's go ahead and

Brian Atlasjust say that um there are no liberal women, no liberal women who ever want men to pay for first aids, which I actually think is uh definitely there. I think there's actually a lot of liberal women who still want men to course adhere to more traditional dating

Marin Carrerastandards. Hold on, let me finish. It's always nice if a man pays. It's always like, "Oh, thank you." Yeah. But do you think men can get away with saying, "Ah, it's nice when women pay." Yes. Well, they can get away with saying that, but

Brian Atlascan they nice when women pay? Sure, I'll grant that. But do you think that men can realistically go into a date with the expectation that the woman's going

Marin Carrerato pay the entire bill? I wouldn't say anyone should go into a date expecting that someone's going to pay the entire bill. I've only been on a couple dates. I've always said, "I'll pay for my

Marin Carrerafood." I don't It's a first date. You don't even know me. We might not even get along. How many first dates have you been on? Less than five. Have you split all of them or has the guy ever paid? You've split all of them? Um, sometimes

Marin Carrerathey're like, "No, please let me pay. Please let me pay." And I'm not going to say no, but I'll say no. I promise I can pay. I don't want you to pay my whole bill. we just met and sometimes they'll be like it's okay fine you can pay and

Brian AtlasI'm totally fine paying and it doesn't mean I'm going to count them out of my life. Sure. But so I guess to just I guess wrap up on this the the argument that I was making here is that even if

Brian Atlasthere was only say 50% of the female population that had a strong preference towards men being providers and for men paying for dates, men paying in other ways, whatever it is. this would

Brian Atlasactually indicate that there's a mating pressure that exists on men that doesn't exist the other way. So by by women's own dating preferences and this is not just I think a social construct but also

Brian AtlasI think there's a biological evolutionary basis for women wanting uh providers and when you were talking about the the days of huts and the days of caves you know the the men went out and hunted and the women stayed the men

Brian Atlaswere providers the men were protectors I think based on women's own stated not just stated but actual preferences as it relates to what they find attractive in a long-term partner which typically

Brian Atlasrelates to a man who's capable of providing. Uh, and you have you heard it from here. We've heard it a bunch from women on the show. If the guy won't pay for the first date, that's it. I think that I didn't say that's it. I said he

Brian Atlasgot docked points. Okay, fair enough. Whatever it is, you can redeem yourself. Yeah, I guess. Okay, but he has to work harder in some other metric because anytime you're on a first date, let me make that's fine. Hey, I'm not going to get into the weeds with you. I'm going

Brian Atlasto finish my You pay for the date when you're going out on your first date. Do you pay for dinner? Yeah, I pay. So, the point I was trying to make here is that if women have this mating

Brian Atlaspressure that exists that doesn't exist the other way back. Like I if if I'm going to be going out on a date with a woman, there's no world that exists where I'm going to either have the

Brian Atlasassumption like women do or even think it's a possibility that when I go on a date with her, she's going to pay the entire thing. It's dubious if she'll even go 50/50. I've had that. That's

Brian Atlashappened. But the majority of the time there is a very strong expectation that men are going to pay on first dates. This is something this is not like some patriarchal system. This is actually a system. Hold on. I'll get to you in a

Brian Atlassec. This is a system that women enforce. This isn't like men aren't forcing women to have a preference towards providers. I'm sure men would like be super enthused if women were

Brian Atlasjust sing for them all the time and just like here's money, taking them on dates. The reality is is women place a mating pressure on men that doesn't exist the other way. And this and there's plenty

Brian Atlasof other factors, but I think looking at this alone would explain any supposed or alleged wage gap that exists because if men if essentially it boils down to this

Brian Atlaswomen are saying you can't have sex with me, you can't be in a relationship with me, you won't be able to reproduce, which is like a biological imperative

Brian Atlasfor both sexes. But as it relates to men, we all need each other for sure. But if women are basically saying, "I won't date you. I won't have sex with you. I won't give you my time. I won't give you my attention. I won't give you children down the road essentially

Brian Atlasbecause dating leads to relationship leads to marriage leads to children." Seems like that's a really big mating pressure on men. So if men like somewhere back either it's in their

Brian Atlasconscious or subconscious brain are thinking if I don't have a high paying high status job and that's going to prevent me from getting a partner and getting a woman and eventually having

Brian Atlaschildren. I think that that would be a massive motivating pressure that women are putting on men that would lead them to greater motivation and greater achievement and ultimately uh greater

Brian Atlasearnings. So the earnings gap, the wage gap, whatever you like to call it, is actually explained by women's sexism. Go ahead. If I I understand where you're

Marin Carreracoming from. However, if you take what you're saying and put it towards the history of the world, let's just talk about the US for a second. The history

Marin Carreraof the US, 50s, 40s, 30s, 20s, tens, what about it? Men had the jobs and women often did not

Marin Carreraget hired. Women often had no job. Women offer often were not invited to have a job and women often just weren't even allowed to have a job. Their job was to

Marin Carrerafind a man, get married, and have children. So, uh, women have always worked, but but what in like a small factory for a penny an hour while men

Brian Atlaswere in like actual jobs? You think in the 1920s there were like an abundance of cushy jobs like 99 Hold on. 99% of men had like and they had super

Brian Atlasdangerous and women weren't allowed to work in those jobs even. Wait, let me ask you question. No, no, no. That's fine. Let me ask you a question. You're living one quick question and I promise

Brian AtlasI'll let you finish. You're living in 1930s, 1920s Pennsylvania with the coal mines. You have a choice. You can go into the coal mines as a woman. You can

Brian Atlasbe the first. Well, hold on. I'm I'm Dance is my favorite movie. So, okay, great. So, in Pittsburgh to Great. Thank you for that, nonsequator. So, anyways, let's say you had a choice. You could go

Brian Atlasinto the coal mines. Okay. And get black lung. Yeah. And die like in your 30s or 40s of lung cancer. Totally. Or or you could stay home and

Marin Carrerabe a homemaker. Which would you prefer? Which was I allowed to do? No. Which would you prefer if I was broke? Probably a coal miner

Brian Atlasbecause people No, that's my answer. No, but hold on. Answer the question. If you had the choice and here are your two choices to be a homemaker and your husband goes into the coal mines or you

Marin Carreraget to go into the coal mines and I guess your husband stays home. I don't know what the deal is. But the problem with your question, what's the problem with the question? that women back then did not get a choice. Okay, sure. I'm going to They were told you can't work

Marin Carrerain this coal mine. Too dangerous for you. Too whatever. I'm not sure. They were told your job is to be a homemaker. Even if you don't have kids. No. No. I'm

Marin CarreraEven if you don't have kids, your job as a woman is not to work in some sort of a physical demanding job. It's not to be a CEO. It's not to be anything that No, but it's not to be anything that

Marin Carrerainvolves work. Women do not really get jobs. You can be a receptionist in the 50s if you want, but other than that, women were not given the choice. Even if you're a single woman by yourself with no kids who needs money cuz you're going

Marin Carrerato be homeless. Are you going to answer my question? I'm answering right now. You were not given the choice to work. Women did have the choice to work and they did work. Barely. What? Like Triangle Short Waist Factory? like it

Marin Carrerawas not a situation where lots of women were available to work. And so through generations and slow decline where women

Marin Carrerawere slowly able to work more, it was still a very normal like almost taught thing for women to not work. And nowadays it's so much common for women to work, which is great.

Brian AtlasHowever, do you want to answer the question though? What's what is it? Okay. If you had the choice between being a homemaker or working in a coal mine and like dying of emphyma in your 40s in 1920s 1920 I wouldn't get the

Brian Atlaschoice. That's my choice. Let's say you did. It's a hypothetical. If I begged and pleaded. It has nothing to do with begging. Pick the coal mine. You know what? They're putting out a the coal mine's putting out a program. They're like, "We're going to hire one woman."

Marin CarreraSo, you do get the choice in the I would want to work. You'd want to You'd prefer to work in the coal mine than be a homemaker. Yes. Really? If I was by myself and I didn't have money and I needed money to live, yeah, I'd rather

Brian Atlaswork in a coal mine. That's not really the the purview of the hypothetical. You're adding But the hypothetical doesn't make any sense. I'm trying. If I had the choice and my

Marin Carreralife was perfect, obviously I wouldn't want to work in a coal mine. But back then, there weren't that many options. And if I was a poor woman who didn't have a source of income, who didn't have a husband, I would much rather work in a

Brian Atlascoal mine than sit in a house by myself. A house I couldn't afford cuz I didn't have a job cuz I wasn't allowed one. I would have to marry a man. That is my job back then. So throughout all this this claim that

Brian Atlaswomen weren't allowed to work through history is just demonstrabably false. Women have always been able to work. But what out of a hundred women, 10 women could work? All women could work. But many women

Marin Carreraopted. It was just the sort of the sodal. You're so wrong about that. How am I wrong? Because women were often never hired. And if they were hired, they were hired for much less money than

Brian Atlasthey deserved. What evidence do you have for this? History books. Okay. Let me ask you a question. And I want to move off of the wage gap here pretty soon. My grandpa was a coal miner. So just Okay. Thank you. I just heard that. I was

Brian Atlaslike, there's my time. If it was actually the case that women were paid more than men, what's actually stopping companies and would you would agree that companies their goal is to make money? Okay. Like do you think most capitalism

Brian Atlasdo you think do would you agree with me that corporations are extremely greedy? Yes. And their primary goal is to is to generate profit. Yeah. Like you would agree that you might say that corporations like there's a there is

Brian Atlassexism in corporations. You'd probably argue that because men occupy the highest positions in these corporations, like they're part of the executive team, they're part of the board, whatever the uh CEOs, etc. Uh you would say that

Brian Atlasthere uh there could be sexism in these corporations. There could be, right? Or you probably say that there is. So, but you would agree that also corporations primary motive is profit and money.

Brian AtlasYeah, of course. Okay. So, do you think that corporations prioritize their alleged or supposed sexism over making money? No. Okay. So, then if that was genuinely the case that you could

Brian Atlasgenuinely get away with paying women less, what is stopping from corporations just exclusively hiring women and saving like 30% or 20% on their payroll expenses and beating out their

Marin Carreracompetitors by only hiring women because men believe that men make more money and men better at their jobs. So, a CEO man who is sexist. I mean, I don't know these people. But you're

Brian Atlassaying it's the case that women are just as good as men. Yeah. Okay. So, then if that's the case, if that's your worldview, that's mine. That's not a man's, that's not every man's worldview. Okay. So, but what is again, if it's

Brian Atlasactually true that you can get away with paying these women 30% 20%. Why don't the companies just hire women? Because they don't like women. But I thought profit was the ultimate motivator, not

Marin Carrerajust like boys club sexism. Yeah. But they'll get a they're scared they're gonna get a a what's it called? A lawsuit. They're scared they're going to get a lawsuit, a sexism lawsuit, an agism lawsuit, a pregnancy lawsuit.

Natalia StarThey're scared. There's literally women there's only there's gyms just for women out here in uh in the valley and men sue because they can't come in. So like people don't it's uh

Marin Carrerahypothetical situation we're not supposed to discriminate. If you can bring in a male CEO who is known for discriminating against women and ask him these questions and he gives you real answers. I'd love to see that. However,

Marin Carrerathey're all going to tell you [ __ ] What are they going to tell you? That the men they hire are just great and they didn't mean to discriminate and they didn't mean to do any of this stuff. But it's, you know, it's hard to

Brian Atlasget the truth out of these people. But if you look at everything, I mean, the thing is is that um this wage gap thing, it's been legislated against since the 1960s.

Brian AtlasSo, if you can prove as a woman that there is an actual uh discrepancy between wages between your male co-workers, you can bring a lawsuit. But

Marin Carrerathat's the problem is people do things so secretively now. agism, racism, sexism, all of it. But okay, that can be done in such ways where it's avoidable to be sued against.

Marin CarreraI think, look, ultimately it's definitely not as bad as it used to be. I'm not saying like the sexism in the workplace is as bad as it was in the ' 60s or 50s. It's way better now, and I'm so grateful that it's better now.

Marin CarreraHowever, it still exists. and acknowledging that it's still even if it's like only 5% exists, it's still there. So you're saying 95 cents to a dollar? I don't I don't know. What do

Brian Atlasyou think is the number? I don't know. Well, you said there's a wage gap. You would have to articulate what that is. For me, it depends on each person. What do you think about Google, for example, they did this internal audit hoping to

Brian Atlasreinforce some of this feminist nonsense, and it actually found that uh they were overpaying women. Okay. So, this would this be evidence of sexism against men? Yeah, they can take it down. They can do whatever they want.

Natalia StarWhy were they paying more women before that? Like because they the men were Okay. So, they were paying those women more because prior they were not paying women properly. So, they're going to

Natalia Starovercompensate that time because women were not getting paid a lot. So, then when they want to look good, they want to look good to society. No, no. Just asking. I'm asking did they find out why

Brian Atlasthey were Google was a woman. She Well, wouldn't you wouldn't you Hold on. So, what do you mean by why? I mean, did they say like, "Oh, we accidentally did this." Or were they doing that on purpose? Well, let me ask you a

Marin Carreraquestion. What What would it actually matter if it's on purpose or not? Cuz if they accidentally said, "Oh, all these women's performances were just better and we gave them raises and we didn't realize that it was only women." Then,

Brian Atlashave to apply the apply the other way towards men too. But you would make the claim if like there was actually merit for the men being paid more for whatever reason that is. Uh you would probably make the argument that that would be due

Marin Carrerato like sexism and the wage gap. You can't say probably. If if a company showed proof that all the men were working harder and doing better than the women, I would have zero problem with the men being paid more than the women

Brian Atlasof that company. Wouldn't you just argue that, oh, it's just the boys club? I just It depends. Well, that's I mean, isn't that the basis of your whole argument? Everything just depends though. Okay. Everything just depends.

Brian AtlasSo, if it's the case that you found a company where yeah, the men were making 10% more, you would probably say there must be a wage gap due to sexism. But if the women is every single man of the

Marin Carreracompany, even one who has no position that's better than a woman, and the women are making less than the men who they're higher than, maybe then it's worth looking into. But if it's a very obvious just distribution of wealth like

Marin Carrerathe men are actually doing better than the women and you know some men are getting paid less but some women are getting paid more but most men are getting paid more then you can say you know it's the company's it's the company's job to pay who's doing better.

Brian AtlasSo you you do acknowledge there are scenarios in which the men are genuinely doing better airgo they deserve to be paid more. Yeah. I've never said that's wrong. It's when a company pays men who

Brian Atlasare even doing worse than women way more than women, then it's a problem. Well, how would you how would you establish that? If they can show proof and in which case I would agree with you, they could bring some sort of sex sex

Brian Atlasdiscrimination lawsuit. Okay. Okay. But it's not clear to me if that's even happening like on a wide scale. Okay. Again, look, I'll just I can only repeat

Brian Atlasmyself here at this point. The wage gap is simply argued away. It's an earnings gap. It simply compares all the earnings of men to all the earnings of women. But I'm not talking about the earnings gap.

Marin CarreraOkay. You're talking about the wage gap. Like if a man and a woman apply for the exact same position, the payment difference. I'm not talking about more women don't have jobs than men and women

Brian Atlasmake less than men overall per capita of the entire US. Yeah. Couldn't you see a difference between two men though? So for example, one of the men negotiates for a higher uh salary than the other man does. same job. It's same exact job.

Brian AtlasBut I mean, wouldn't you agree that there's a comp there's a component of the company's going to make you an offer and then there's going to be a negotiation. Some people might not even negotiate and they're just going to take the first offer that comes to them. It

Kayn Maygoes back to her point about women stereotypically don't know how to negotiate for themselves and ask more. Some men who maybe weren't raised with a good relationship with money or how if their parents weren't wealthy, they

Marin Carreradon't know that they can negotiate for more. So it is all based on I think how you were raised. But also a lot of the time women who speak up for themselves are told that they are like aggressive and disrespectful and rude. Whereas men

Marin Carrerawho speak up for themselves about money are like ambitious and awesome and they're going for it, you know. So it's it's just there's so many different factors. I got to read a couple chats here. We do have to move it. From the

Haley + Felicity (blended)freaky men. Oh, from the freaky men. Uh freaky men. Uh are you able to read these chair one? Hello. Where is Andrew? I don't have the characters to explain

Haley + Felicity (blended)how wrong Chair One is about everything she says. Ever seen a woman give in during a divorce? Or do they fight tooth and nail? If you're talking about Andrew, the one

Marin Carrerathat said rape is good if the woman enjoys it. Sorry. If the woman has essayed and she orgasms, that's a good thing. I don't think you're really

Brian Atlasidolizing the correct person. Um, you do realize I mean that's that Andrew that's on Andrew but clipped Hold on. Where's the pickle jar?

Brian AtlasSo it was clipped entirely leaving out critical context both prior. Okay, let me ask you a question. If you were to say I think it's bad if

Brian Atlasuh or you you would frame it like this. You were to say I think it's bad when people uh are rac or hold on. What's the best framing for this?

Brian AtlasUh, I can't think of an example. You could agree though that there could be a situation where somebody gets clipped out of context. Correct. Yeah. Okay. Like, and it could be edited in such a

Brian Atlasmalicious way to make it appear as if you said something that you didn't or left out context. There's also AI. Well, that whole clip was um a little bit not used at like if you even did you Let me ask you No, no, that's fine. Let me ask

Natalia Staryou a question. Uh the clip in reference, did you watch the whole debate? Oh, any statement that Hold on. The question is not for you. I'm just saying like it whatever he said, no context would be okay with that. From

Brian Atlasstart, did you from second one to second zero of the entire episode? That's multiple hours. Did you even Did you even watch like the debate? Like when I

Brian Atlassay the debate, did you actually watch seconds of that debate? Did you just see clips? No. Okay. So, you you tuned into our video and you watched that segment.

Brian AtlasYeah. Okay. Tell me what was preceeding from where the clip began. They were talking about Grape and Essence. No, they weren't. Wow. You're a total sheep. You're not You didn't even watch the

Brian Atlasclip and you you you fell for it. you fell for a deceptive. What were they talking about? They Andrew was doing an internal critique of uh Oliver's position. If I recall correctly, Oliver

Brian Atlaswas saying they were talking about something totally unrelated to that. And Oliver was saying, "Well, there's an exception. There's an exception to what you're saying." And again, you're going

Brian Atlasto have to talk to Andrew about this. Not my [ __ ] position. Um but and then Andrew was saying, "Well, hold on. Let me test your logic here. This terrible

Brian Atlasthing, uh, if some of the people that this terrible thing happens to, if they'd enjoy it, would that point towards that thing being good? No. What do you mean, no? That's

Brian Atlasliterally the basis of being good. Right. So, he was doing an internal critique of Oliver. Oliver, by the way, who has some allegations towards him as it relates to when he was a bit younger,

Brian Atlashe had been he exposed himself to a minor, and he said the following. He said the following, and this is actually funny, so somebody could do the same exact thing. So I How do I frame it so I don't get [ __ ] clipped for what

Brian Atlassomebody else said? He said that he thinks it's uh he said, "I manipulated women into doing things that they didn't want to do." That's what Oliver said.

Brian AtlasOkay, that's the character of the person who did the misleading clip, right? So, but it's clear you didn't watch the whole thing. I I said that I didn't watch the Right. But so, the clip is

Brian Atlasdeceptively edited in like honestly a completely disgusting way to make it seem like Andrew was suggesting something or essentially being a grape apologist. Okay. Which if you actually

Marin Carrerawatch the whole clip, not the case at all. Okay. Well, it was an interesting take for him to say in that way anyway, but that wasn't the question. You know, the question was just where is Andrew?

Kayn MaySo, I said if that's who you're idolizing, maybe take a check on that and I wasn't saying anything else. Um, I don't even remember what the rest of the question for that person was. Do women give up dur during divorce? And I would

Marin Carrerasay they I mean, it depends on why they're divorcing. I mean women who divorce who get married super young to an old guy for money

Marin Carreramaybe no they don't give up or whatever but women who are divorcing for genuine reason then yeah I don't really know what your point with that cont do you

Marin Carrerathink context matters for the divorce no just in general of what well going back to the the Andrew the Andrew thing yeah of course context matters yeah um but

Brian Atlasthat statement was strange regardless. Well, so before the show, I actually warned Andrew and I said, "Oliver is a [ __ ] clip chimp." And I told I

Brian Atlas[ __ ] warned Andrew. I was I warned Andrew and I was like, "Andrew, don't say some [ __ ] that he's going to [ __ ] clip." Was the one he was debating against, Oliver? Oliver is the guy he

Natalia Starwas debating against. Yeah. So, he did it to Jim Bob, who he debated against before. Portion is bad. So Oliver using coercion to sleep with women. When you lie to someone about

Natalia Staranything, that's still considered uh rape. If you lie about Yeah. If you lie about your identity, that's still grape. Cuz the girl never consented for to your lie. The woman never consented. But

Brian Atlasthat's not the point. The point is, did Andrew get clipped? And he got clipped, I guess. But yeah, I mean, look, I'm not going to do the whole spiel with uh with all that.

Brian AtlasSo, okay. All right. Inquisitor Zeal. Uh, can you read this, please? Oh my god. Is it not pulling up? Hold on. Go ahead. Read it. Chair one is correct

Haley + Felicity (blended)about women being controlled by patriarchal culture. Everyone was. We've abolished that and our civilization is collapsing. Congrats. You've proven

Natalia Starwomen must be oppressed forever. That must be. That's why the society is not [ __ ] working because of because we were oppressed for so long. We're

Natalia Starfinally like saying no. We're finally like like my picture I am a sex worker. I see the real world for what it is. I hang out with CEOs all the time. Like real CEOs that you guys talk about

Natalia Starworking for I'm not going to blow them up, but like they like to party. They like to hang out. They cheat on their wives. So, all right. Clan. Uh, read

Haley + Felicity (blended)this from Clan. She is delusional. I am in a very competitive field. The percentage of women applying get hired more than the percentage of men applying

Haley + Felicity (blended)get hired. They also get paid the same. Not based on sex, but based on seniority. Seniority. Why are they hearing getting hired more? Because prior they were not

Marin Carreragetting hired. So it's like the leveling balance. We need to balance it up. All men were working working. Now women want to it's my only issue is at clean or whatever like we don't know what you actually do. In my industry guys don't

Natalia Starget paid as much sitting in your room like we don't know what you actually do but my guys in my industry don't get paid as much. We as women we wake substantially more than them. So it's

Silanalike you want to say no I just think you know I'm listening it's fascinating it's interesting but for me this conversation is almost um it's hard to understand um

Silanaas a woman because I'm listening to women I am a woman and I'm thinking why don't I understand so I'm trying to focus on myself and see why what is it

Silanaabout me that so the question is why I never in my life I felt discriminated as a woman. Why I never lived the experience of being paid less as a man?

SilanaActually, it's the opposite. So, why I never felt that? I know you might have the confidence to like ask for more. A lot of women don't have that. Okay. I was actually going to say that when that was mentioned because

Silanashe it was mentioned here that men are more into, hey, I can negotiate. I can ask for excuse me, I can do that. And I've done it and I've done it and I do it. I still do it. So, I don't think

Silanathat has to do with what if we if we have ovaries or or or or a prostate, you know what I mean? I don't think it has to do with the if if we're a woman or a man. I

Silanathink it has to do with your education and what you choose because I just I charge $150 for one piano class, you know, and I am a flight attendant, too.

SilanaAnd the men, the guys that are working as flight attendants, they make the exact same money that I do. Yeah. So that's what I find it fascinating. I'm learning. I don't know. I I know it happened before women were able to I got

Haley + Felicity (blended)to move it on. Go ahead. Read this. Sorry about that. Jen King, I don't know how to say that. His wife played a leading role in enforcing

Haley + Felicity (blended)purges during the cultural revolution. She is directly tied to an estimate 100,000 to a million deaths. She was arrested and convicted for this. But do

Marin Carrerayou see how you refer to her as that guy's wife? You don't refer to her as who she actually is. She is under her husband's probable control. I I mean, I can't prove it cuz I don't know her and

Marin Carrerashe's not alive today to say that. But you literally referred to her as this guy's wife, not this woman because it was his wife. It was not her. Who is um

Lynnher husband? No, her husband is Chairman Mao, the founding father. Yeah. People's Republic of China. Of course, if you simply bring up her name, nobody would know like who the heck this is. So, just

Marin Carrerato clarify, they have to emphasize, okay, this is someone's wife. But you don't think Chairman Mao's wife was at all manipulated by Chairman Mao to do things. You think she was completely in

Marin Carreracontrol of Hold on. What if she would the [ __ ] You scared me. What? When I'm asking her though, what's your question again? You don't think Chairman's Mao Chairman Mao's wife was You think she

Lynnwas completely in control of her own decisions the whole time? She wasn't living in that age. So, I'm not clearly sure about what happened in the history. Uh but unless you have some sort of

Brian Atlasevidence to show me that she was manipulated by the husband. Yeah. You're if you're you're making the claim, you're going to have to provide evidence that he was manipulating her. What if

Brian Atlasit's actually the case that she was like a more fervent ideological supporter of communism? Maybe she was more of a hardcore communist than he was. Yeah. Quote unquote maybe.

Marin CarreraBut if you look at what happened in history, it wasn't like she was on the name of all the history books. It was him. He did all the things. And if she

Marin Carreradid part of it, you'd have to assume that he had a play in that because at the

Marin Carreratime, even still, people there, men have more power, even political power. It's not fair to you to say, "Well, maybe she was pulling the strings." You don't

Marin Carreraknow. It's like, "Okay, but if you look at what was happening, he was pulling the strings. You don't know if she was being manipulated." Exactly. In a in a

Natalia Starworld where war is profitable, people like that's what the society will want to push for. You know, that's what that's what the society's push. Please speak into the microphones. All right. I

Haley + Felicity (blended)read this chair one. Women couldn't find work in the 1920s. Common female occupations included factory work, domestic service,

Haley + Felicity (blended)teaching, nursing, and cler clear. How do you clerical work? Clerical work. Never seen that word before. Like typing, bookkeeping, BBC.

Brian AtlasWhat does that stand for? Thank you. There wasn't there wasn't like a a law there was not a law on the book saying women couldn't work. I know that.

Marin CarreraHowever, if you look at what was going on, it was not common for women to work. It was actually discouraged. You were seen as less than if you had a job such

Haley + Felicity (blended)as that, cuz your entire job was supposed to be marrying a man and having children. Do you think that women wanted to work back then or did they want to build families? They were taught to want

Marin Carrerato build families. Is that a bad thing? I mean, in the grand scope of what's happening in the world, then yeah, everyone should have been taught to be

Marin Carreraequal. Men should take care of the family as much as women, and women should work, and so should men. Everyone should work. Women should have time off for giving birth and pushing a whole human out of them, for sure. But it

Marin Carrerashouldn't be a normalized thing that women shouldn't have to work at all and men should only have to work. Because if you enforce that, then companies only want to hire men and not women. And then women who don't have husbands are seen

Marin Carreraas less than than a woman who has a husband or a man attached to her. And that just reinforces the entire idea of the patriarchy. Of course, women were able to work. They were seen as less than.

Marin CarreraThey were paid less than. And they were like just discriminated against if they tried to work. They were paid less because it wasn't as hard of a job as a men did. because they weren't allowed to have as

Brian Atlashard of jobs. Listen, if you wait, hold on. Sorry. Women didn't have Women literally couldn't do the jobs. They could, but they were not as allowed as

Marin CarreraDo you Do you Hold on. Do you think women have the same physical strength as men? They could. No. No. Yeah. But physically, no

Brian Atlasone tilt your mic down. Please tilt your mic down. But in today's world, strength doesn't even matter. We have machines. But your claim was about historical work where where physical

Brian Atlasstrength, coal mining, women can do that. Building, women can do that. Women hold on. No, no, no. Women don't have the requisite general strength to do a lot of these professions.

Brian AtlasIf you just if it was true, why why if they if men and women's physical strength was equal, then there they would be in these positions. Women have to work harder to gain more muscle. That

Marin Carrerais true. Men have are easy. It's easier for men to gain muscle and be stronger. However, okay, go ahead. In the coal mines, in the buildings, in whatever,

Marin Carrerawomen can still have jobs there. Not everything is based off of physical strength. Are machines not taking over men and women? We're talking about before, right? You're talking

Brian Atlashistorically. And a lot of this but a lot of this machinery still today that makes physical labor easier still requires a degree of physical strength to operate like a jackhammer like

Brian Atlasinstead of swinging a pickaxe to like break up stones. We have like jackhammers but that it requires physical strength to hold the jackhammer to keep it steady etc. And are you saying women are incapable of having

Brian Atlasphysical strength? No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that generally speaking, and you I'm assuming you're going to agree with me on this. Generally speaking, men are stronger than women. Descriptively, in science,

Marin Carreramen are able to gain more muscle mass than women. They're just naturally stronger than women. However, if a woman puts her mind to it and tries very hard, she could still have a job

Lynnsimilar to a man's. And how many how many could withstand more pain? Why is transgender athletes such a controversy now? if you think men women have equal physical strengths.

LynnWell, I don't think transgender should be in a woman's sport at all. Yeah, that's um that's definitely everyone's opinion. But the reason why it's such a controversial topic is because these

Lynntransgender women, they still have more physical strength because they were born to be they were born as men. So, she was right. It's depending on when they decided to transition. if they

Natalia Startransitioned at a certain time, they never developed those men uh as aspects and they always develop only women aspects. I mean, I know I know a lot of trans women if a man starts

Brian Atlastransitioning at 11, that's they don't have the male physical strength that gives them an advantage in some sort of a sport. I mean, I would probably dispute this because my my position on

Brian Atlasthis is that uh the sole difference between men and women is not exclusively relegated to the endocrine system. So, what you're talking about is uh if they're taking puberty blockers, but like there's skeletal differences,

Brian Atlasthere's other differences like lung capacity for example. So again, even if they do transition at a younger age, uh yes, that's going to have that will have some impact on the muscular skeletal

Natalia Starsystem, but there are still going to be certain differences between like like a trans women are more women and more feminine than any any woman in this room. Like they they take their womenisms very seriously. They take

Natalia Starwomanisms, what is that? They take being like a feminine like a [ __ ] job. Most women don't even care about like being as Are you gonna are you gonna argue that trans women are more women like

Natalia Starthey're better women than women? So you're saying men are better women than men? Yeah, because they know exactly what you're going to have to wrap your head around that one. So is it So are men better women than women? My sister

Natalia Staris more manlier than my trans friend. My trans friend is more feminine, more ladylike, more in her feminine aspect of her life. Any like a transgender is not

Lynnmore feminine and more woman than I am. We are talking about physical strength here. Physical appearance like how nice your skin is doesn't have to do anything with how you can excel in a sport. Yeah.

Natalia StarMy femin my my trans friend would never even try to join a sport cuz she was she never like wanted to compete like that. I believe Brian was talking about the muscle mass and the lung capacity. And I know a large percentage of American men

Marin Carrerawho only play video games can barely do a sit up, let alone a pull-up. And they're tight. Can you do a sit up? I don't know what we're talking. I was a gymnast for most of my life. I don't know what we're talking about. We got to stop. We got

Brian AtlasHere's what we have to do, though. We We can't like always go to the exception. I'm going to sit here and agree with you. There are definitely individual women who are way stronger than men who

Brian Atlascould beat up men. But what I'm talking about is if we're just talking about generalities, the majority of men are stronger than the majority of women. Yeah. Is biology.

Kayn MaySo yes. Is there like are are there women out there who are stronger? There's women who there's women who are stronger than me off the street and ask them to do a fitness test. Do I think

Kayn Maythat women might perform better than men currently? Possibly. As in if you pull 12 random people, six men, six women, and ask them to do a fitness test. I've met a lot of out of shape men recently.

Kayn MaySo, I'm saying I think women take care of themselves in their um youth because they know that they're supposed to be attractive for men. And there's a lot of men that have gone into very lazy

Silanaprofessions where physical work is a part of Sorry, somebody over here wanted to weigh in or I I just wanted to say something quickly. I think that Brian is pointing at we are this side is pointing

Silanaat exceptions exceptions to the rule. But in in general, let's say the coal mines today, not no not time before. If we have today the coal mines like back then and we have today or back then. Let's say today. Let's say today because

SilanaI'm not going to talk about so the coal mines in 2025. Yes. No, I'm not talking about like values. I'm talking about strength. Okay. Let's say today you put

Silanaa man a a 30-y old man and a 30 year old woman healthy without exceptions 100% healthy to go work at the coal mines. Let's see how many buckets of coal the

Silanamen can bring out in two hours. And how many buckets of coal um can the woman bring? Depends if they were taught how to work the machine. No, no, no. That's what I'm saying. From zero, they just learn, you know, healthy. The man is

Silanagoing to do more because it's biologically proven, scientifically proven. If I am the owner of that mine, I'm going to pay more the man because he brings 30 buckets and the woman brings 25 maybe. And I think that's the

Silanadifference. It's not because the man is better. Scientifically, biologically, it is what it is. So, he's going to get paid better. Now, as a work as a woman, nothing comes to my mind that a woman is better doing it. I don't know. I have to

Silanathink about it. Maybe the woman is paid is getting paid better. But I don't see that as being underestimated is who gives more, who works better. I think we're talking about the third variable. As a I minored in sociology, you need

Kayn Maythree variables to be able to judge someone. So, you can't just judge someone on man, woman, and their job. You need the third variable. What? What's the third variable? Like race, class, and gender. You can't just judge someone off race and class. Wait, you

Brian Atlasneed three variables to to draw a conclusion? Minimum is But hold on. Why would you need Okay, if if the question is in stereotypes in America, but

Brian Atlasstereotype, if the question is, who is physically stronger on average, men or women? What would the third variable be like? What's the third variable needed to determine work out? Do they not work

Marin Carreraout? So, let's say versus a fitness. Wait, let's say let's say that a man and a woman are twins. They're born at the same time. They work out. They have the same eating schedule, same workout schedule. The man is going

Marin Carrerato get stronger than the woman. That is true. Because of biology, she's correct. However, does that mean that a woman is less than the man? No. That's not what we're That's not what we're talking

Brian Atlasabout then. Okay. In the coal mines, that might have mattered. We moved past that. But the argument here is is okay. So if it is the case, hold on, hold on.

Brian AtlasGod damn, let me finish. Please stop interrupting. If it is the case that historically the majority of available jobs were physical in nature, that's not

Brian Atlastrue anymore. Doctors, how many doctors are there? Shoe makers, clothing makers. I would argue that even

Brian Atlaslike a shoe maker requires like muscular strength in the arms and dexterity and no but back then I'm not an expert in like what is the call called when you're there's a specific term when you're a

Brian Atlasshoemaker like a what's it called? Cobbler cobbler like there's probably some level of physicality even involved in that. Um, in any case, the if it is

Brian Atlasthe if it is the case that the majority of jobs historically did require some degree of physical strength, this would seem to and if it's the also the case

Brian Atlasthat men are just generally physically stronger than women, is it any surprise that men were more likely to occupy these positions? It was purely because

Marin Carreraof the way society was set up. Because if women were taught to grow strong from a young age and fight to work jobs, they could have easily worked those jobs. And

Marin CarreraI get that men are stronger physically. However, if a woman really tried, she could get as strong as a man in that capacity. Yeah, I'm positive. So, wait,

Brian Atlasjust let me ask you this then. If we were to look at the strongest, so the uh the strongest man and the strongest woman to have ever existed, right? Or how about alive today? You would say that their strength is equal. I mean, I

Marin Carreradon't know the strongest man or the strongest woman, so I'm not sure. However, it's objective. It's literally objective. However, here's 500 lb. Can you lift it? Go ahead. However, in the

Marin Carreraolden days, what we're talking about, tell me the olden days. Yeah. There's no gyms. There's just work. There's just birth and work. I agree. If a woman was taught to plow fields with her brother

Marin Carreraand do all that [ __ ] with her brother the same time, same exact teaching styles, she could do the same thing. So what what do you do when you're plowing a field? I don't know. I've never plowed a field. Are you lifting things with

Marin Carrerayour upper body strength? I never plowed a field. You should try plow a field. Stone work. No, I don't lift. I run cuz I don't feel like lifting. I don't want to be strong.

Brian AtlasI think you could do well. I probably could if I really wanted to. You would kill it, Marin. Thank you. You would kill it in the fields. Thank you. Back to the fields you go. Um, look, the

Marin Carrerastrongest woman to have ever lived isn't even approaching like, well, that's with everything we have today with the weightlifting and the whatever. And people spent their entire lives dedicated to getting stronger. In the

Marin Carreraolden days, what we're talking about right now, people did not care. They just wanted to work. And what I was saying is that even though women would

Marin Carrerabe capable to work those jobs, society set them up to not work those jobs on purpose. That's all I'm saying. Well, it's not just on purpose. It is on

Brian Atlaspurpose. There there's a there's just a strength component to it that cannot be ignored. But what I No, but you're saying, well, if these women, and I

Brian Atlaslook, I think that there are women who if they're really strong, I think they can do the job. My argument is if you have a 100 men and 100 women and both of

Brian Atlasthem, you put both of them through uh well, you're saying the same training, same, same training, and they're both like athletic, same birth, same food, same everything. You do all of that.

Brian AtlasThose hundred men are going to be stronger than all of those women. Well, maybe the women would find out a way to do it without all the strength.

Natalia StarWhat? Work smarter. Work smarter. How? Okay. Make the men do it. Here's the task. Don't say that. Here's the task.

Brian AtlasI'm a move this pile of rocks that each weigh 70 pounds from point A to point B. Right. Okay, men due to their physical

Marin Carrerastrength are going to be superior at doing women will come up with like a way to pull it or and so do men. So did men. But the problem with your argument is there's no historical value to say that

Marin Carrerawomen would not do better because women were never given the chance. That's all I'm saying. There there is a precedence for it. Women were never given the chance to try. It's Hold on. Why?

Brian AtlasYou agree it's a given that men are physically stronger. Okay. And do you think historically people also just knew men stronger than women because they forced women to not try? Yes. Are you

Brian Atlassaying that physical strength is a social uh like a social structure a little bit? You're saying it's it's subjective social like physical

Marin Carrerastrength. Men are attractive. Muscular women are ugly and manly. That's a whole thing. I've seen that everywhere. Women who weightlift, women who do boxing, they're not seen as attractive because

Marin Carrerathey're muscular. In the old historic, I'm telling you right now, and that is today's world. In the olden days, a woman had muscle. That's like vile.

Marin CarreraThat's like against the rights of women. Against the Wait, what? Against the rights of women? Women have What? Wait, what rights? What? Hold on. What are you talking about? women because women were

Lynnsupposed to be weak, look pretty and look pretty and be tiny. Maybe you are. Women are weak. Maybe you are. And also, I just don't understand like why do you have to make it a social thing? Because

Lynnit's just not a good use of efficiency if you send women to plot a few. Why don't you just take advantage of your each other's talents? And maybe women are better doing some other jobs like maybe sewing like what giving birth.

Natalia StarThat's why there's not a job. That's a part of life, you know, picking the cherries. Everyone has their own strengths. We don't we're not trying to diminish men. Men have their their their strengths and we have our strengths.

Natalia StarWe're trying to come together as a society. We don't want to get away from men. We love men. We want men to just treat us equally and like respect us and

Marin Carreranot like because the second men the second men say we're stronger, we can do more is the second they started having

Co-host/Produceryou guys comparing your logic that they're stronger by is it discriminating Hold on. Hold on. And what about it? No, I want to hear what she wants to say about it. Say

Haley + Felicity (blended)it. Go ahead. Say it. Men are biologically stronger. No one said no. So therefore it's therefore they're going

Haley + Felicity (blended)to be the ones doing the harder jobs that require more strength. I.e. why women couldn't do the coal mine, the construction, the whatever you say that

Haley + Felicity (blended)they didn't get the opportunity to do. It's because they're weaker than men and that's why they didn't get the opportunity. It's not because society made it this way. Yeah. Also, I agree that men having more physical strength

Lynndoesn't mean they're superior to women. And uh this is totally outside the topic because a man who is physically weak can still treat women like [ __ ] and can still disrespect them. But do you

Marin Carrerarealize that especially in the olden days when strength actually mattered and even recently men like say that being

Brian Atlasstronger and working in the olden days makes them better than women that arguing that nobody's arguing that it sounds like can we agree on this descriptively is it true that men are

Brian Atlasphysically stronger than women they can be in some circ it's not just that they can be it's that they are. I don't know. I know. You're not going to grant that. No, I agree with Yes, there are weak

Marin Carreramen. I don't dispute that. If every man and every woman on the entire planet did the exact same nutrition routine, the exact same workout routine physically,

Brian Atlasyes, men could be stronger. Could be would be would be stronger. However, that's not the case. So if they did studies and showed like they they did this study with like 10,000 women the

Brian Atlasgrip strength for example men have orders of magnitude greater grip strength than women. So if we're looking at up upper body strength which is sort of predominated as it relates to

Brian Atlasphysical labor typically uh although there's you know there's some component of lower body strength but men are also stronger in their lower bodies. Okay. Now, but would you agree that

Brian Atlasdescriptively that that's true? Yeah. Does that mean they deserve more rights than women? That's not what we're arguing. We're just saying that I never said they weren't stronger. You seem to be making the You're arguing, well, if

Marin Carrerathe men and women started out in these jobs, you said since the beginning, if they started off the same job, same diet, whatever, men would be stronger. However, that's not the case because women have never been given the chance

Brian Atlasto do any of that. Okay. Sure. If if women were given the chance at the same starting point to start working in these jobs and through like, you know, whatever it's swinging a pickaxe or

Brian Atlasdigging digging with a shovel, I still would argue that even if you had a woman working the same amount of hours as a man, it's not even clear to me if they would have that sort of uh ability to

Brian Atlaseven work the same length of time as a man in a physical capacity. uh they wouldn't they would not be able to develop the same level of strength as a

Silanaman even if they started at the exact same time. Okay, we have normal body like our body. I'm I'm wondering what the point of the strength argument even

Silanais the I think the point of the strength is that it's nothing to do with the men being better than women. It's a scientifically proven fact. biology and it's a fact and because they are and

Silanabecause they are stronger they can do work that we cannot do and if we do it we could do it but we're not going to do it as good as they do it because we don't have the strength that they have and I would like to mention another

Silanathing with your permission um back then it wasn't only that they women were not given the opportunity I think we all agree that back then as much as women were not allowed to vote and they were

Silanaputting down in other social you know points back then people were more supporting family. Who would raise those

Silanakids? Who would take care of the kids? Another thing they will also support um and family and religion and all all that

Silanawas so close together that the women were at home taking care of the kids, doing the the you know the housework and going to church on Sundays. It was a completely different thing. How

Silanadepressed were those women? It was different but today to let me real quick today they don't it's completely different but you know what I support family 100% and that's what I was taught

Silanaand I am so grateful for that and to see my parents together until the last day and to see my mother taking care of me and my sister I'm I'm grateful to heaven today and my mother was not

Marin Carreradiscriminated it was a different level of priorities but that's what I think but in general the difference of priorities if a woman's priority ority is to be a homemaker and have a family, which is totally normal for women to

Marin Carrerawant that. Like, I'd love that. It'd be great. If that's a woman's priority and the whole society, the whole country, the whole world believes that a woman's priority is to be the homemaker and the

Marin Carrerafamily maker, then that counts out the other women who don't want a husband, who don't have a husband, who are gay, who whatever. All of those people, wait, but all of those people who are taught

Marin Carrerathat they have to be a family maker and a homemaker are suddenly left out of the job equation and that's unfair. Okay, a couple questions here and then I'm I've

Brian Atlasgot to move this on. Um, perfect. Yes. If I could show you, for example, if we are looking at the apex of both men and

Brian Atlaswomen. So for example, the US women's soccer team got completely destroyed by uh like an a like a under 18 boys team. Okay, boys are inate having more. No, but

Brian Atlaswhat's the point of that question? Well, the point the point is that if we look at sports for example, if we look at sports, so if you look at elite female athletes, if they were men with their

Brian Atlassame scores, they would not be able to even qualify to compete in the Olympics, for example. Okay. So, if you look at running, for example, men are faster than women. If you look at strength sports, men are stronger than women.

Brian AtlasThere's this website that we've pulled up a whole bunch of times. Have a men get a wax. Let's see how strong he is. Then, no, let's Can you finish Can you finish your point? Yeah. The point is essentially that if we look at sporting

Brian Atlasuh sporting events, men in that dimension and so you would have to agree that uh the elite female athletes, most female athletes who are elite started at a very young age. So they have all the

Brian Atlasthings that you mentioned, the good nutrition, all this other stuff. They've been involved in the sport since most Olympic athletes have been doing the sport since they were like children or whatever. Uh but if you were to place

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