Jubilee Girl Says She Is A MlSANDRlST?! She DEBATES Brian?! Lawyer Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #245

Date: 2025-06-02

Duration: 8h 51m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMarin Carrera >

NNatalia Star >

LLynn (Tax Attorney)>

KKayn May (Photographer)>

HHaley (WSU Finance)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Silana(guest)

SPEAKER_02Haley + Felicity (blended)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Marin Carrera(guest)

SPEAKER_04Natalia Star(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Lynn(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kayn May(guest)

Key Moments

OtherNatalia Star describes masturbating with the moonlight during a full moon and claiming to be trisexual.

“I masturbated with the moon before... It was like mutual masturbation. Like you felt a vibe with them. Yeah. Felt the moon. It was a full moon.”

OtherSilana tells the story of her third husband dying of accidental fentanyl exposure while rescuing her drug-addicted daughter in Los Angeles, December 2020.

“He went to LA December 2nd, 2020... He found her... December 5th he was dead... They found a very little dose of fentanyl in his system which we believe that it was the fentanyl that my daughter had because he fell like that.”

QuoteMarin declares herself a misandrist, not a feminist, saying women are better than men intellectually and as leaders.

“Do you consider yourself a feminist? No. No. No. I'd consider myself a misandrist. A misandress believes that women are actually better than men.”

QuoteMarin states that women have greater intellectual capabilities than men and are more interested in the goodness of their country, while men are more interested in power.

“I believe that women have greater intellectual capabilities than men do. They have a better way to lead... men are more interested in power than they are in the goodness of their country.”

ControversyMarin argues that queens who started wars were controlled by men and not truly in power, countered by Silana citing Margaret Thatcher and the Falklands War.

“Margaret Thatcher started the war taking the Malvina Islands from Argentina. She was a woman and she motivated and she started a war.”

OtherNatalia Star rates herself a 10/10 and references Scarlett Johansson and Sydney Sweeney as her celebrity equivalents.

“10. 10. Okay. Period... Scarlett Johansson. And I've seen her without makeup and she was a 10. And she's a sweet girl. She was super sweet when I met her.”

OtherNatalia Star reveals a body count over 1000, having had 20 partners in one night at gang bang parties. Brian notes she is in the adult industry.

“I'm over a thousand for sure. You're in the industry, right? Yeah. I had like 20 in a night. I used to do gang bang parties back in the day.”

ControversyEnd-of-show confrontation between Marin and Haley over Haley's views on promiscuity, with Marin accusing Haley of imposing her opinions on all women.

“It's when she tries to force them onto all women that I have a problem with... It's the fact that you're trying to make it seem normalized for all women when it's just your opinion.”

Key MomentHaley tells Marin her tits are out in response to Marin criticizing promiscuity; Marin says her boyfriend chose the outfit.

“Not super, but your tits are out. So, the guy I'm with chose this outfit for me.”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

All seven guests introduce themselves: Marin Carrera (viral Jubilee/Charlie Kirk girl), Natalia Star (adult performer/DJ), Lynn (tax attorney), Kayn May (boudoir photographer), Silana (flight attendant/concert pianist/widow), Haley (WSU student), Felicity (Whatever staff/student).

Marin's Jubilee/Charlie Kirk Background

Marin describes how she ended up in the viral Jubilee video debating Charlie Kirk. Applied during COVID, got a call 2 years later, didn't know the opponent was Kirk until she arrived. Went viral for repeatedly saying 'No, I'm speaking' when interrupted. Argued about abortion rights.

Relationship Status Round

Brian goes around table asking current relationship status, longest relationships, who broke up with whom, rosters, orientation, and marriage history. Silana shares story of three marriages; second husband died of stroke; third husband died Dec 2020 of accidental fentanyl exposure rescuing her drug-addicted daughter.

Misandry Debate — Marin vs Brian

Marin declares herself a misandrist (not feminist), arguing women are intellectually superior and better suited to lead. Brian challenges her with data on female monarchs waging more wars, Scandinavian countries having prosperity from natural resources pre-dating female leadership, and college enrollment data showing women outpacing men since 1980. Marin defends position throughout.

Wage Gap Discussion

Extended debate on the gender wage gap. Brian argues it shrinks when controlling for hours worked, industry, and job type. Marin and others argue systemic barriers still exist for women. Lynn notes wage gap exists mainly due to career interruptions from childbearing. Brian presents college enrollment infographics showing women outnumber men since 1980.

Women and Higher Education Data

Brian presents infographics showing women have outnumbered men in US college enrollment since 1980, with current 60/40 female/male split. Counters Marin's claim that men are pushed toward education more. Discussion of men going into blue-collar trades vs women into higher education.

Self-Ratings Round

Brian asks guests to rate their looks 1-10, can't pick 7. Ratings: Marin 5-6, Natalia 10, Lynn 8, Kayn 9, Silana 8, Haley 5, Felicity 6. Guests asked to name celebrity at their level. Natalia claims Scarlett Johansson/Sydney Sweeney level. Kayn claims 9 citing strangers stopping her. Debate about Jake Gyllenhaal (rated 7 by Kayn), Brad Pitt, Ryan Gosling.

Partner Requirements

Brian asks minimum yearly income requirements for a partner. Kayn: $500K/year. Marin: just enough to live independently. Other guests give various answers. Height requirements: Marin is 6'0" and requires minimum 6'0"; others around 5'10". Bear vs man on hike question — Marin and Natalia pick bear, others split.

Privilege Debate — Male vs Female

Discussion on whether men or women have more societal privilege. Marin, Natalia agree men more privileged. Lynn argues from career perspective — pregnancy/childcare forces women to trade off career advancement. Brian argues women have greater privilege in dating market — can choose to be stay-at-home while most men cannot opt out of provider role. Kayn distinguishes income from assets/wealth.

Systemically Racist/Sexist Definitions

Marin argues women can't be sexist toward men and Black people can't be systemically racist toward white people because systemic power defines racism/sexism. Brian pushes back with bear vs man analogy mapped to race. Kayn disagrees with Marin's systemic definition. Brian drops out of college privilege framing from Kayn.

Body Count Discussion

Brian asks everyone's body count. Natalia: 1000+ (in industry, had 20 in one night at gang bang parties). Kayn: over 100, maybe over 200, stopped counting around 10 in high school. Lynn: declined to disclose, said Brian would be 'fine' with it. Marin: 'less than 20,' within range Brian would be fine with. Haley: 2. Brian notes reluctance to disclose suggests body count does matter.

Women's Duties and Promiscuity Debate

Haley states women's duties include not being promiscuous and being loyal and modest. Other guests (Marin, Natalia) push back, arguing women can dress and act as they choose. Heated exchange over gym attire and whether women invite unwanted attention by dressing revealingly. Haley holds conservative position to end of show.

Transcript

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Marin Carrerawomen the way they deserve to be treated. This is the result of men sing up to these rats. I love Sims. These women are not worth a second look, let alone our chivalry.

Brian AtlasOkay, we don't want it from you anyway. Oh, snap. We want to commend our willing Oh, snap. Will I have plenty of men who Thank you for the memberships. Thank you for the 10 memberships. Appreciate it.

Brian AtlasThank you. I just They don't like any of us. I don't know. Hey, what the They like They like you, Felicity. What the [ __ ] I don't know about that one. Felicity's turning heel, boys. Felicity's turning heel. Okay, here's what we got to do, guys. We got to get

Brian Atlasthrough. Uh, you know, let's bring it back to Wait. Oh [ __ ] Did I not save the comments from Okay. Uh, I didn't save the Stifler comment. I don't know where the hell it

Brian Atlaswent. Did it get unstarred somehow? That's weird. Okay. Anyways, whatever. Uh, Stifler earlier in the conversation, he said, uh, going around the table, all the women, rate your looks on a scale of 1 to 10, you can't pick seven. Starting

Brian Atlaswith you, Marin. Can't pick seven. It's so funny. Honestly, I would say maybe a six or a five. I don't think I'm that attractive. What about you? 10. 10. Okay. Period. Maybe an eight. Maybe an eight. Okay. Are you able to scoot your

Silanachair this way a little bit? Like scoot that way? Yeah. Scoot that way. Uh, eight. What about you? I'll go nine. Okay. Nine. What about you? Sophia Bgara

Brian Atlasis a 10. I'm not a 10. I'm a five. Okay. Five. What about you? I do like six. All right. What about you? Six. Okay. Good girl. So, we have we we have 10. Oh, I

Brian Atlasgive myself a five. Six. tend to know a 10. Give myself a five. Uh so wait, 10 8 9. Okay, gotcha. Uh for those of you who

Brian Atlassaid 10, 8, 9, we'll start with 10. Uh can you tell me a a woman who like maybe a famous woman who you think is a 10? Megan Markle. Oh no, no. Megan, the

Natalia Starother girl. Margaret Fox. The girl from Australia. She plays uh I'm not really bad with names. Wait. In the Wolf of Wall Street. Yeah, her. Her name's not Margot Robbie. Marggo Robbie. I'm really

Natalia Starbad with names, honestly. Marggo Robbie. Margot Robbie. Marco. That's the name. It's like the queen or the princess of England right now, but she's still a 10,

Natalia Startoo. But I'm talking about that's my that's who my Okay. Top tier of or uh what's her name? Uh Scarlett Johansson. And I've seen her without makeup and she was a 10.

Natalia StarAnd she's a sweet girl. She was super sweet when I met her.

Brian AtlasYou don't think she's a 10? Scarlett Johansson, Sydney Sweeney. I love her,

Brian Atlastoo. So, and so you're I'm like them. Yes. You're on their level in terms of looks. Okay.

Brian AtlasInteresting, isn't it? Okay. Uh do you can you think of as smart as rich as eight? Yes. Myself. No, but like a female celebrity. Um, that would be kind

Kayn Mayof tough. Um, I'll come back to you. Uh, can you think of a nine female se like a a female celebrity who you think is a nine? I'm going to say no. I'm not big into

Kayn Maycelebrity culture and I say that because of the way people look at me and stop me and talk to me. Wait, life experience. as in people look at me like like they should recognize me

Kayn Maylike I'm from some show or like I am celebrity. I have people come up to me all the time anywhere I go talking about how gorgeous my hair is, how I have all these amazing features. So if you're saying physical looks, I think I'm on

Lynnthe upper side of the scale. I get hit on a lot. Okay. Um Oh, yeah. I thought of someone now. Uh I mean cuz there's not so many well-known Asian celebrities, but

Lynnthere's this one celebrity from China. Um, I think some people have told me I do look like her. So, I figured if people always say I look like her, then she's better be a Oh, wait. You're asking someone we look like a celebrity

Brian Atlasthat we look like your level. Yeah. Your level. Like she could be a she could be black, she could be white, she could be Latina, but like your level,

Lynnjust hotness, not personality, league, all the other things. Looks league, physical appearance. Yeah. Who is it? Um, so have you watched this movie

Lynncalled Memorial Gea? Nope. Okay. So, um, the the main character is the main pull it can you pull it up? Uh, can you

LynnGoogle it? What's her name? Uh, her her first name is Zi Yi and her last name is Z H A N G. You

Lynnlike the Black Pink from the Korean bands? Oh, which one? Lisa or Jenny? Better be Jenny. Is that racist? No. No. It's like I sometimes get caught I look

Lynnlike so and so a lot. And I think one time I was in Northern California, a woman just approached me and asked me, "Oh, are you like Miss Korea 2019?" I was like, "I don't even know who the

Brian Atlasheck that is." But thank you. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thanks. And uh let's see here. How about you? What do you think about yourself? What are you? He said five. I said I'm a five. A five.

Natalia StarYeah. Five. have a little bit more self-esteem, but just physically like you could change. I actually think you could change. You could go to the gym. You could work out. I mean, you're tall. You're You have good You have good eyes. You could You could put in a little

Kayn Maywork. We could both work in that department. But I know I'm a little thick, bro. She just said that [ __ ] to me. And I What are you talking about? Thick, but as in only thin people are hot. Like she's hotter than her because she's 10 lbs thinner is what you're

Kayn Maysaying. Wait, who? That's what I'm insinuating. You're saying she could go to the gym and you she Wait, she said that [ __ ] to me first. I'm giving you and then you looked at her like she's a perfect 10. So I'm saying cuz she's

Brian Atlasthinner. You're saying thin equals hot. No, bro. Are you listening? Felicity. Felicity was criticizing me being like, Brian, you can't say that to a woman. And I was like, hold up. She said that

Natalia Star[ __ ] to me first. I I forgot. I spaced out for a second. I'm just saying we all have a way to make our market share a little bit higher. And you don't you have to put a little bit of effort. We all have to put in a little effort. You

Brian Atlasare so right. Thank you. Okay. Uh Okay. I'll deal with that later. So,

Brian Atlasum Oh, and then can you tell me can you tell me a 10, a male 10 that you think is like on your level? Well, I guess he would have to be on your level. Oh, Chris Hemsworth.

Brian AtlasCan we pull up uh Google Chris Hemsworth? Did you get the I got the lady. Show us the lady, please. Show us the lady first, then Google Chris Hemsworth. Door. Door like him. Yeah. Yeah, I know who that is. I'm just

Lynnsaying that that's Peak. Okay. Show us the lady, please. Okay. You look like her. Uh she's just a bit older than you. Yeah, she's older. She's a bit old. Maybe the one at the

Brian Atlasbottom when she was Honestly, bro, you're better looking than her. I'm not You're better looking. All right, you're out. Asian standards are very high. Next time I'll take it as a Chris Hemsworth, please. All right, guys. If you're

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Brian AtlasPull it up. Chris Hemsworth is a 10 for you. Correct. For who? So, if you met Chris Hemsworth, you I've met his brother.

Brian AtlasLiam. Mhm. Okay. And is Liam a 10, too? Yes. So, you would be like you could date Chris Hemsworth potentially. Potentially. I could be. I don't date

Kayn Mayall physical features only. So, you're just asking about hotness. Yeah. Oh, so you're saying she has less of a chance based off of other She's saying like he might be hot, but he also might be an [ __ ] and then she wouldn't want to

Brian Atlasdate him. Exactly. Bro, you guys always go to like these extra What? Bro, there's too much [ __ ] going on. What the [ __ ] Can you all chill

Brian Atlasout? Holy [ __ ] God damn. Uh, okay. You're in Chris Hemsworth's. You're in his league. I like long hair. Yes. I love guys with long hair. I get

Brian Atlasyou like guys with long hair. Are you in his league? Totally. Okay. Um, what about you? You're a nine. Can you think of a guy who's a nine who's like in your league or whatever? No, not off the top of my head. Like you're asking about

Kayn Maycelebrity that'd be a recognizable name. Yeah. Uh, Jake Gyllenhaal. What do you rate Jake Gyllenhaal? Seven. Can we see a picture? No. Pull

Marin Carrerait, please. Google Jakey Gyllenhaal. He looks He's like a little sweet. He's like nice looking. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How tall is Hold on. How tall is Jake Gyllenhaal? Are we talking about height included or just face card? Like what's

Co-host/Producerthe vibe? Yeah. I don't know. Face card. Wait. He's 6 feet. He's 6 feet tall. He He reads short on camera. Smash. Scroll down. Scroll down. Scroll down. Scroll down. He is a seven. So hold on. Whoa.

UnknownWait wait wait wait. Hold on. Shut the Hold on. him with hair and him with hair. I would go Jaylen Herz from the Eagles over some actor. You think he's You think Jake Gyllenhaal's a seven and because we just like different types of

Lynnmen. What kind What's your type? You like black guys? No, doesn't have to do with race, but like 10 would be um this guy I've been following for like years,

LynnCharles L. Clerk. My favorite Formula 1 driver. Charles L. Clerk. Yes. Who's that? Uh, if you watch Formula 1, this is then you absolutely don't know this. Google it. I've been to the golf. But

Lynnlike I said, yeah, some guys, some people don't find him hot, but I just like a different type of guy. All right. Everyone has Everybody has it. Yeah. Look, it's subjective. I'm just So, you would be settling for

Brian AtlasJake Gyllenhaal. Depends on That's pretty crazy. Personality. It depends on the personality. I heard he's a lot of But for you, you're a you're a nine. and Jake Gyllenhaal's a seven, you would be

Kayn Maysettling for Jake Gyllenhaal. As in, right, I don't find actors like somebody who plays somebody else for a living to be that attractive. I would go with like a pro alete like Jaylen Herz who Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. He's married.

Kayn MayHe's got great moral values. His branding is great. Branding? What the branding? Yeah. All actors are branded. So, you're saying, do we buy into the [ __ ] Girls are like, I don't think I want to [ __ ] him because of his

Kayn Maybranding. Yeah, it's hot. Like, I'm sorry. the whole love hurts Nike campaign, they changed the whole like love statue in the city of Philadelphia to put his last name behind. Like he's hot right now and he's physically hot

Kayn Mayand he just won the Super Bowl. So, okay, what's his name? Jaylen Herz. All right, Google that guy. You should see the way he licks his lips on camera. It's like super hot. I've never thought

Kayn Maya football player was hot like that. I know who he is now. Chat, I don't even know what to say, boys. I don't know what to say. And I And I love watching men. He was totally the underdog. This

Kayn Mayis totally not him. First of all, that's the spelled his name wrong. J A L E N. Herz. H U R Ts. You said that's not even him first of all.

Marin CarreraLike, go. Can we get this pulled up a little quicker? Who do you think is a celebrity like on your level? Wait, do you do you have it? Oh, what does one answer? I'm trying to find what you're talking about.

Brian AtlasYou're so sassy. Sorry. Jaylen Herds Eagle Ball. Yeah. Super Bowl champ. But I do want to know the answer to that. Okay. Uh, scroll down. Scroll down. Scroll down. I want to just

Brian Atlassee more photos. Okay. Super physically fit. Uh, okay. Can we see like a face picture? I mean, scroll up. There was a There was a couple. Okay. All right. Scroll up very top. Can you give me one

Brian Atlasother guy just for further reference? One other guy that's a nine or whatever. Um, I think so many people are hot. Hey, please don't do sidebars. We said it multiple times at the beginning of the

Kayn Mayshow. Please don't talk like Okay, Channing Tatum is like totally Google Channing Tatum. I would never want to date him though. Wait, I don't even know if I like Channing Tatum looks like. What is a guy here? Give us a guy. You're asking me physic like physically.

Kayn MayGive us a guy who's in your league who you would also date. But she would pass on Channing Tatum by the way. But okay. I'm saying he's probably a player. Like he's probably not the type of guy I want to date, but

Kayn Mayhe's hot. He's talking about just superficial just superficial. Yeah. Okay, let's go. Channing Tatum then. There we go. Oh, yeah. I like him.

Brian AtlasOkay. So, is that what he looks like right now? I Well, I mean, there's variants here. There's that second one. He looks younger. Magic Mike was my favorite. These other ones he looks

Brian Atlasolder. Uh, so okay. Is there Jake? Seven? Really? You think Jake Gyllenhaal's a seven? These girls are settling for Jake Gyllenhaal. Fellas,

Brian Atlasdon't you guys Young Brad Pit? Don't group. Young Brad Pit. What? What do you give him like in his 30s? So that's like Troy or Wait. Fight Club. Troy. Oh,

Kayn MayFight Club. Yeah, that was his prime, right? She likes the shirtless moments with Brad Pit there. What do you rate Brett? He is He's a petite man to me. So for me, he was always like an eight. Petite. Wait. And he read he reads small

Brian Atlason camera. How tall is he? How tall is Brad Pitt? I thought I think he's average. He's Brad Pitt's 5'11. Wow. Brad Tom Cruz that's short. It's kind of crazy. But in film,

Brian Atlasguys are usually smaller. That's just facts. Like in in acting, guys, they don't. This is what you're dealing with in the dating marketplace. These girls think they'd be sad. Don't say these girls if

Marin Carrerayou've only asked the three who ran themselves very high. I mean, clearly I think all of these men are far out of my league. I'm not a great dude. Okay. But also, I am 19 and they're like in their

Marin Carreraadults, so I'm not sure. But I personally think I think Jake Gyllenhaal's even out of my league. Not Chris. What? No. All right. The guy from The Notebook.

LynnRyan Gosling. I never found him too attractive though. Attractive. No. Not my type. Who? Ryan Gosling. No, I just never found him too attractive because I think it's like the person You know who so many men find

Marin Carreraattractive and I don't understand it fully is Ryan Reynolds. A lot of men think Ryan Reynolds is like the hottest guy ever. And he's not ugly, but I like don't understand why men

Brian Atlasspecifically like think Ryan Reynolds I think it's like personality thing probably. He is hilarious. They probably are like like Lively's husband. Mhm. Yeah. But what does he do? Actor. He's

Haley + Felicity (blended)an actor. I don't know what he looks like. What is Ryan Reynolds is? He's in some sort of a Marvel thing. I think it's been cancelled. Have you seen I didn't say settling for Jake Gyllenhaal. Um, okay. Not not all of us. You must

Marin Carrerareally like Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah, maybe. Who knows? Maybe I You have like a guy crush on him. Wait, can I ask you just one question? Like, not offensive at all. I just genuinely want to know like what's a celebrity a girl celebrity

Marin Carrerathat you think is in your same level that you think you could pull that you think you'd like be with? I pulled celebrities though so right that's not

Marin Carreranothing just in terms of looks. Yeah, I rejected celebrities. Uh taking personality out of it completely. Just like looks wise, who do you think you could match up well with? I'm not really

Brian Atlasbig in on celebrity culture. So that was my answer. So yeah. No, I mean I'm try the thing is is this question is more to like look at these sort of extremes where like you guys are rating

Brian Atlasyourselves on par with like like the most attractive people. Not you. These three here though. Well 10, eight, nine. That's like nine is that's come on. In

Kayn MayPoland I'm a seven. In America I went 10. Interesting. Polish women. I have all natural features. Natural hair, natural tips, natural everything. So, I do think that I was like gifted a beautiful body. I've got great eyes and

Kayn Mayall my teeth. So, I I don't understand why you think I would rate myself any lower. Like I She has great self-esteem. Yeah, I'm a herself. I specialize in making other women feel sexy for a

Kayn Mayliving doing helping women figure out how to style themselves in lingerie. Great meme, huh? Great meme. I think a five is accurate.

Brian AtlasHow tall are you? I'm 6' one. Okay, that gives you buying points. So, just to be clear, if you and me, you're How old are you? You're 30. 35. Okay, we're I'm 36. We're about the same age. So, if we met somewhere, you you're a nine and you

Brian Atlasthink you're nine and I'm a five. I think I'm a five. You think I'm a five, you would be set you would four points. You're going you're going into the ditches to date

Kayn Mayme. Like, you're you're you're scooping the bottom of the bottom of the I personally think hot guys cheat more. So, I've I don't have an issue dating somebody who I don't think is like a 10

Kayn Mayon the hot scale. Like I think she was I think personality and like how you vibe with the person matters a lot more than how many abs they have cuz people can get abs. You can buy them and you can go

Kayn Mayto the gym. So like you might not look great now, but if you're in a happy relationship, you might want to work on yourself a little bit and then you might become an eight or nine. Like like women can help men level up and vice versa.

Brian AtlasYeah. Yeah. I think like if if we were dating like no offense I I I'm not you know maybe we got different assessments. You probably wouldn't date me either. It's all good. I'm just saying like in terms of helping each other level up

Kayn Maylike maybe there's work in both departments that could be done. That's all I'm going to say. You know, you've been directing a little bit of Hey, I'm not saying I'm at my ideal weight right now. I was in a car accident two months ago and have definitely gained weight since then. But it doesn't mean I'm less

Kayn Mayattractive. Wait, what do you mean? picking clothes that fit your figure. Whether you're thin or fat, you can be a 10. I don't think that you have to be a certain weight and height to be hot. Well, it

Kayn Mayalso depends on the person. It's styling. It's wardrobe. Some guys have nothing to do with whether you have a six-pack or not. I feel a bit uncomfortable sitting next to you. Why? Because you were Why you keep wanting to

Kayn Maysee young Brian? I said that one time, bro. Felicity is like being let's see you in your 20s. Yeah. Because she's calling you over. She's calling you over. I want to see you. I'm not saying he's overweight. I'm

Kayn Mayjust saying he's not like in an athletic shape when you were young. He's in video video game shape. This is peak male. I am not hitting. This is peak male performance. You No, thank you.

Brian AtlasFelicity. I know. I know. Felicity. I'm joking. Instagram. Pull it up. Pull it up. Pull up Young Bri. Uh, I mean your pictures on Instagram look like young Brian. Me too. Like come on. You're

Brian Atlaswelcome. Okay. Thank you, Felicity. Pull up young Brian. Pull it up. Pull it up. The the the photo. But I wonder how old were those Instagram pictures. I think you had it last couple years. Is he catfishing? No. What? What Instagram?

Co-host/ProducerNo, I'm saying those pictures on your Instagram account. You actually looked very good there. Damn, bro. What the dang [ __ ] on Brian night? Why? Why is this all turned to goddamn Brian? You

Co-host/Producerlooked good. You used to look good. I saw you right now. Pull. Are we pulling it up? Find it. Where is Young Brian picture? What's your situation? It's a young Brian picture dog.

Kayn MayGod damn. Do I got Okay, Felicity, entertain them. Try your best. I You know, you know, you can try or just pull his Instagram account up. I don't know. I have a question circling back to something from earlier if that's okay.

Kayn MaySo, we were discussing how mo most of us think that men should pay on the first date. My question was, how many dates should a guy take you on before you decide to sleep with him? And some reading glasses. If you're somebody

Kayn Maywho's waiting for marriage, do you think the guy needs to pay for everything all the way up until that point? Oh [ __ ] Anyways, back to me. Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, all right. Here's Young Brian. Come on. You are so [ __ ] hot.

Marin CarreraThat's you. That's a 10. Definite. That's That's not you. You're What age are you in that? Are you serious? What age are you in that? Uh like 22, I think. You

Marin CarreraWhat happened? Well, don't say that. You got boyfriend. Chill out. Chill. Surprised because you without the beard and with that hair is much different than you with the facial hair. Damn, bro. You got a boyfriend.

Brian AtlasYou got to be careful what you're saying. And you're what, 36? If you No, I'm saying it's not even about that. This is just saying you're saying you would smash another kid. I never said that. Okay, that was her. My bad. I got

Marin CarreraI would smash. I just said, "Wow, that was a question." And that's in this world where if we I'm shocked because when I'm looking at these two, like I can see the

Marin Carrerasimilarities, but also it's very different now. Yeah. You know, it's and I'm just like, wo. That's like two decades right there. Of course, when I look at pictures of my dad when he was younger, I'm shocked cuz he does not

Brian Atlaslook like my dad. done with you guys is we've we've put all of you through AI. Well, hold on. We'll get to that. I need to wait. Is that what the pull up my Instagram? Pull up my Instagram. Pull that [ __ ] up. You put us all through AI.

Co-host/ProducerUh, you'll see. But Oh, you put like our faces through what AI Scroll to the bottom. Oh, to see what we scroll to the bottom. Maria, scroll to the bottom.

Haley + Felicity (blended)Wait, is that Wait, can I guess the year of the mustache? Was that 2016? Oh, you're a surfer. That's Brian. This is me. That's like Scroll up. You're so in

Co-host/Producera mustache picture. Look how thin I was. Oh my god. Can we see the mustache picture? X out of that. Go back up a little bit. [ __ ] Did you go up a little

Co-host/Producerbit? Felicity's gooning over here. What the [ __ ] Go up a little bit. [ __ ] gooner. This is not the same. Chill out, Felicity, bro. God damn. Wait. Scroll up. Scroll up. Click on the mustache picture that's coming. Scroll up. Keep

Brian Atlasgoing. Wait, wait, wait. Click the angel one. The girls love this [ __ ] With the puppy. Yeah. What's up? Wow. Exile hat. Exile. Scroll up. Good sport for doing that costume. Wait, click on one of the mustache ones. Uh, yeah, that one.

Brian AtlasThat's such a You were so What year was that? Uh, that was 2012, I think. 2012, I think. Well, I guess 2016. Yeah. Oh, so that's You can click the other ones if you want. Years ago.

Brian AtlasYou've been doing the Whatever podcast for that long. Uh, the Whatever podcast has been like 3 years I've been doing it. Well, your shirt right there says whatever. Why? I was doing different content before the podcast. I've been whatever for a while. But I've been

Marin Carrerawhatever for a minute. Wait, your old person costumes actually great. Did you get professional makeup done for that? It was What's the term in uh special effects? There's a word for it though. Prosthetics. Prosthetics. Yeah. Yeah.

LynnYeah. Scroll up. Anyways, whatever. That's all right. There it is. Young Brian. I don't know why or we just prefer without facial hair. You would look 10 years younger without

Brian Atlasthe facial hair, maybe. Bro, the triple chin would be, by the way, one Bitcoin. If you want to see sucked it out, the the triple chin, you know, triple chin. I'll shave my beard. Send $5,000 and

Brian AtlasBrian will shave his wax the beard. One Bitcoin and I will shave my beard. Two Bitcoin, he'll wax it right now. Is Bitcoin still a thing? I thought that was over. It's like at 120,000. It's

Kayn May110. Oh, it went down. Okay. I don't know. Whatever. I still like number four. Who's Rachel Delo? You. Right. That's who you That's a good question. What does that mean? Oh my

TTS/Donationsgoodness. I have to pull up some chats. I got distracted by looking at my young self. That's what I'm saying. I want to know what I was so charmed. Who is that? Golly me donated $200. Suffragettes gain strong male support

TTS/Donationsfor the 19th amendment granting women rights, privilege no duty. Would these women fight equally marching in Washington DC for men's rights without the draft? Who were men to take away our rights?

Natalia StarWhy did we not have rights from the beginning? You guys don't understand the fact that we should have always had rights. The rights would shouldn't have been given to us. The rights should have been we're human. We're both like you guys don't that's the point that you

Natalia Starguys don't understand. Why were we not given rights to to begin with? Like the rights frustrating.

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Brian Atlasunderstandings of fascia. Read the reviews for my business. Do you know what f I'll look into it. Thank you. Thank you, Demetri. I'll check my DMs after the show. Appreciate the message. We have Clay here. Good.

Brian AtlasGood. Good. Clay. He says, "Yeah, a couple times in combat would wouldn't bring it up if I hadn't. Little experiences with sacrifice and loss. 2MC uh o 0 0311 that I don't know if I'm

Brian Atlassaying that wrong. That's a grunt. I know that question was next. Not telling my unit. Um so he did see com he was in combat. He was in the military. Well, thank you for your service. Thank you for your

Brian Atlasservice, Cla. Thank you. Thank you. You should apologize to Clay for questioning his I will not do that. Okay, we have Chef D Pickles chair

Brian Atlasthree. Oh boy. Rate Z Jinping's looks on a scale from 1 to 10. Am I gonna be censored? Is this a safe space to talk?

LynnWait. Uh, yeah, you can. Yeah, I'm actually going to call his wife tonight and uh Yeah. And then have a more uh orchestrated answer to that. What?

LynnYou're going to have a threesome? No, I said I'm going to call she's wife tonight. Yeah, because I'm not like close enough to like I've never seen him

Lynnin person. And so his wife knows better like on a scale 1 to 10 like how what he is.

Brian Atlas[Laughter] Oh, it was a Was that a joke? No, that was a joke. Yeah. Do you

Lynnactually know? I don't I don't actually uh have the contact information of his wife. Okay. Even though I wish otherwise I wouldn't be sitting here. You said it with such a straight face. I really

Brian Atlasthought you were serious. Oh, cool. I can play that poker face. She's a lawyer. Yeah. Wow. Good times. Okay. Uh going around the table, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years

Brian Atlastime? Better looking looks just looks I don't know. Hopefully. Go to the table if you can. Um I don't know. Hopefully. Hopefully. Uh yes. A million%. Do you What do you think though?

Brian AtlasWhat do you think? No. If you had to bet, if you had to pick one, 10 years I'll be almost 30. Yep. I'll probably have already had kids by then. Um Okay.

Marin CarreraBut hopefully I'll keep going to the gym and stuff. Um and feeling good about myself. I I don't know. I can How about 20 years? Can you definitively say that you'll right now you're better looking

Marin Carrerathan you will be in 20 years? In 20 years, I'll be almost 40. Yeah. To the male gaze, yes. To the female gays, I don't know. I think I'll enjoy the way I look when I'm older. I'm excited to get

Brian Atlasold. You're 32, better looking in 10 years time at 42. Yes. Into the mic, please. Yes. Uh, 20 years time, 52. Yes.

Natalia Star30 years time, 62. Yes. 40 years time, 72. Yes. 50 years time, 82. Period. Yes.

Natalia Star60 years time, 92. Uh, it's I'm going to be hot no matter what. What age? Any all the time. Yes. Here. Repeat the question back to me just so I know you you're

Natalia Starasking me if I'm going to be less hot compared in 10 years or in the the more years down. Well, better looking. Yeah. Yes. I think women age gracefully and I

Natalia Starappreciate women. Yeah. I appreciate women's age and I love the way they look when they're older. Me too. And I don't I don't I think the women should be aging perfectly in age when they get older. And I think I'm going to look hot

Brian Atlasno matter what. Okay. And then uh and the technology is going to be crazy in the next 5 years even. Okay. So, and then going back uh 10 years time, are

Brian Atlasyou better looking now at 32 than you were at 22? Yes. Okay. Um, so just to be clear,

Brian Atlas102 you will be better looking than how you look at My grandpa died at 98, so I project to be old. I I take care of

Natalia Starmyself. Sure. Let's say you live 40. I personally would always think myself of being hotter with age. When I grow older and older, I will always be as hot and

Brian AtlasI'm going to to men. I don't care what men think. But isn't there a component of when we're talking about attraction, we are talking about something external to us, right? That's

Natalia Starwhy I asked was are we talking about the male gaze or are we just talking about what we think? Maybe to other people, no. But for me personally, yes, I will always feel hotter and what age the older I get, the more confident I'll

Brian Atlasget, the more I'll know who I am, the more everything will open up like a flower. I'll be blooming even more. So just to be clear when you're 102 uh or let's say let's even here let me

Brian Atlasmake it more realistic. Uh let's say when you're 50 yes if somebody could come to you at 50 and let's you know there are going to be I suppose some technological advancements when it comes

Brian Atlasto like plastic surgery and skincare and this sort of thing but assuming you didn't opt to have any of those things and you just age naturally. You don't think it would be

Brian Atlasthe case at 50 if you could wave a magic wand and get back the looks that you currently have as it exists right now.

Natalia StarYou wouldn't do it? No. So, you I love uh sprinkles. I think those are beautiful and I think women should be okay to be aging gracefully

Brian Atlasinto their natural bodies and I think it's beautiful. I think you're I don't know if Okay, whatever. Uh what about you? You're 29. Will you be better looking in 10 years time? 39. I mean,

Lynnhopefully. I'm pretty confident I have good genetics because both my parents are still look very young and whenever I go out with them and they don't even people don't even think they're my parents. And one time I was out with my

Lynnmom and people thought uh she's my coworker. Uh but also just going off her point, I think sometimes it's beyond physical appearance. It's also about

Lynnyour inner confidence, your demeanor, uh the way you dress. Like for example, um I am biologically older, but when I looked at my pictures from early 20s, I

Lynnwas like despising myself for like the makeup I wore and also the outfits I put on. So I think it's all about the mentality. Um if you feel good about yourself because I feel people generally

Brian Atlasbuild their confidence more as they got older. Okay. Um uh let's see here. Uh, so 20 years time, will you be better

Lynnlooking at 49? Uh, if you're simply talking about physical appearance, then okay, I probably won't look as good. But on the other hand, wrinkles can still be

Lynnpretty. It's not necessary to put in bunch of Botox just to disguise the fact that you're aging gracefully. Okay. Um, all right. Uh, is there any

Brian Atlasage at which you will be less good-looking than you are now? Like is it 59, 69, 79? Maybe um 50 50s. Okay. And then are you better looking now at

Brian Atlas29 than you were at 19? Oh, definitely. Okay. Going to you, you're 35. Will you be better looking in 10 years time at

Kayn May45? Yes. Uh will you be better looking in 20 years time at 55? I I'm I believe and agree with what she

Kayn Maysaid and I think that wisdom is beauty and knowledge is power and so wisdom is not like beauty. It's the question is about I think my grandmother is just as

Kayn Maybeautiful now in her 90s as she was in her 20s. The cope is insane. She's as physically beautiful. She is a stunning woman and she still dresses and

Kayn Mayeverything about it to a tea is beautiful. So, I think that style evolves as you age. Sorry, not the answer you wanted. All right. Um, okay.

Kayn MaySo, you'll be better looking at 105. I didn't say that. Well, I'm asking if you would. I don't think I'll be alive at 105. Let's say you are. Oh my god, bro. No, physically I'll be wrinkly by then.

Kayn MayLike to a probably in a hospital bed if I were to live that long. Okay. So, at what point, like when's your peak? I think when your brain diminishes, your beauty goes with it. When you turn into

Kayn Maya vegetable, things stop looking nice. If you love yourself, can I ask you Can I I want to ask you both a question. Like, why do you hate all my answers?

Kayn MayBecause you Because if you Hold on. How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning? We didn't. I fast all the time.

Brian AtlasJust fine. It's just a hypothetical. Wait. So, how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning? Fine. But what was your answer to the previous? You said I You said you didn't hit to have breakfast. I didn't have

Brian Atlasbreakfast today. I usually don't have breakfast. Neither did I. We went to lunch. Okay. Um so, okay. 65 versus 35. Better

Brian Atlaslooking at what age? I'll go 35. Okay. And then going back in time, you're tw uh better looking at 25 10 years ago or 35 now?

Brian AtlasI look like a totally different person. So, I think both were equally hot. I see. Uh, okay. Uh, you're 47. Will you be better looking in 10 years time at 57?

Brian AtlasI don't think so. Into the Please, into the mic. I don't think so. Okay. And you're 47. Uh, were you better looking 10 years ago at 37 than you are now at

Brian Atlas47? No. 20 years ago? 27 versus 47? No. Better looking now? Mhm. Wait. So, okay. better looking at 20 or 47 than 27. Oh, 100%.

Brian AtlasBut you'll be you're better looking now than you will be at 57. I think so. Can you speak into the mic? Can you I need you like this close enough? Close enough. I don't think I'm um I don't think I'll be okay. You're 20. Will you

Brian Atlasbe better looking in 10 years time of 30? No. Okay. Uh pull up the age AI advancements. Some of you guys said some pretty crazy answers here. See what else? Uh, so this is Go ahead. You think

Natalia Staryou've reached your peak beauty? You need to have more confidence. That's so sad. That's very sad. You think my is going to change? You have a lot. So sad. There's so many things you can you need

Natalia Starto work on your self-esteem. Discover about yourself. I worked on I I thought I was ugly for the longest time and I had to work on a lot of them. That's what they called me when I was little growing up. My sister's like, "You're the ugly duckling." I had to grow grow

Marin Carrerainto the beauty. Yeah. Me, too. All right. here and plastic surgery. But that helped. Oh, I mean, and and what are these ages? This is what AI thinks. But what I'm

Marin Carreragoing to age I don't know. Um AI thinks my wholeity is going to change. Okay. And AI isn't capable of actually understanding what the aging process

Marin Carrerafully is for humans. But I'm really glad they're trying to play a gotcha moment with me once. Don't think it's a gotcha. Oh, don't think it's a god show. But I already said that I don't know what I'm like. You don't know that that's what

Marin CarreraI'm going to look like. Well, of course. If you showed yourself when you were 20 a picture of you now, would you believe yourself? Let's do AI on your 20-year-old picture now to see how Yeah, let's do that. But this is meant to be

Marin Carreraoffensive. This is like this is usually like the fun part. It's not meant to hurt your feelings. Over the fun part of the show, but okay. Um, hold on one second. Just to me it feels like you're trying to be like look how ugly you're going to

Brian Atlasget when you're old. Even though I didn't Did I say that? Wait, did I say ugly? It seems like you're making you got to stop interrupting. You're making the claim. You said the

Brian Atlasword ugly, not me. Did I say the word ugly? Did you hear what I said? Tell me what Oh, repeat it then. It's making me feel like you are putting this out there. Feel your feelings have no basis

Brian Atlasin reality. Unless I've made it. But you're asking what we think. We think but not feel. Like we're women, so we can't feel. We can't think or feel. Bro, I literally did not say that you guys had it had

Marin Carreranothing to do with Well, you started the question with, "Do you think you're still going to be pretty?" or "What do you think am I going to look like when I'm older?" And then you show me some weird degraded AI picture of me when I'm

Brian Atlaslike saggy and old. As if that's fact. So, hold on. Well, first off, AI is not going to be a perfect representation. It's like making a prediction. I You're

Brian AtlasIt's probably not perfect. I know. It could even be really off, but it's to give you a potential representation of aging, but you started the question by saying, "Do you think you're going to be

Brian Atlasmore attractive?" and you just wanted us to say yes so you could show us a picture of us old and decul no matter what all of you went through the AI aging process

Brian Atlasgoing that's what we're going to do but I just want to make it clear I'm willing to make let's move past tier one yeah so so what do you say about those so well what I'm prepared to say is that

Brian AtlasI do think as people age they become less attractive if you think that that's offensive Okay, I don't know what to tell you, but I am prepared to make that claim that yes, I think as people get

Brian Atlasolder, they generally become less attractive. What age do you think beauty peaks? I think there are some differentials between men and women, but I think typically uh if you're asking me

Brian Atlasabout women, I would say probably like you're looking at peaking in at 25 and then I think there's like steady decline. Okay, thank you for your answer. So, do you think when you're like an 80-year-old man, hopefully married to an

Marin Carrera80-y old? You got You're way too far from the mic. Please. So, do you think when you're an old man, maybe married to an old woman, you're not going to think your wife is attractive? You're going to be staring at 25year-olds. Well, you

Brian Atlassaid that old people are ugly and that beauty peaks at 25. You can keep putting words into my mouth. That's literally what you just said. How would it literally be what I just said? Because

Marin Carrerayou said beauty peaks at 25 and it gets ugly as you would literally be what I just said if I literally didn't say it because you literally said that age like beauty peaks at age 25. So I'm asking that literally it's not literally you

Kayn Maysaid you would still find your old wife attractive. You did not say that. I'm asking the AI too. I'm just but I'm just

Brian Atlasasking her. We're said we're not allowed to feel. That's that I didn't say you weren't allowed to feel. I said I don't care. that she feels that I was about to

Marin Carrerasay women being ugly. I didn't say that. I about to say that. I just Nobody's in control of AI. That's just what AI thinks. I just think the question being phrased

Marin Carrerais do we think we're going to be more or less attractive followed by pictures of us as AI grandmas is supposed to be a gotcha moment and I don't like that. Okay. Thank you for your contribution.

Haley + Felicity (blended)Go ahead. Pull up. reality or it is reality or you and I are are at our peak age right now after we have kids. You and I are at peak. We're we're going to

Kayn Maycan't even legally drink. We're going to have a and get a leader. It's just the fact of life. Just cope. We're all entitled to

Marin Carreraour opinions. That's your opinion and that's it. It's reality and that's your reality. It might be. Yeah, it might be your reality. I think I'm happy that you think you're going to get uglier with age. Here, let's get I want to move the

Natalia Starshow along so we can hopefully get through this. Okay. Oh, who is that? Oh, me. That's Baddy. Baddie, what's up? Let me take those

Brian Atlasdentures out. Look, look. Let's go. Can you not do that, please? Um, okay. So, you said you I look amazing. What do you mean? What? That's funny. Okay,

Natalia Startroll. I look great. My hair, look, it's not even gray. Like my blonde is still blonding. It's like better blonde than than the one I'm here. Like my hair is going to get even nicer. Like see,

Brian Atlasyou're looking for her to be offended by the picture. You just call her a troll cuz she said she thinks she still looks hot. I think it is a bit of a troll answer to be like, "Yeah, I'm like to to give that answer to say, "Yeah, I'm I'm

Brian Atlasso [ __ ] hot." When it's like, come on, let's be realistic here. I see. I was right. So, how were I drink a lot of water. I'm going to That's great. Love it. Love that for you. Next. I also love that.

LynnYep. Wow. We're I will look. I know. I know. I think I'll look way better than that. Yeah. Just by looking at my parents age. But it's okay. I'm

Co-host/Producernot offended. That's an AI. I can't wait. Girl, that's not even you in the beginning. Yeah. Wow. They did a They did a lot of favors

Unknown (Production)for you. What the [ __ ] Yeah. In that first photo, bro. What? So you Wow. What do you mean there? It's

Kayn MayIt's what? They know it's terrible. Hey, you got a hickey, Marin? Is that a hickey? I don't know what you're talking about. What the [ __ ] Marin? Oh my. Sorry, I have a boyfriend. So your own photo that was taken of me sitting at

Brian Atlasthis table, you're saying got favors. Sorry you want one. I'm just saying they do a little There was a tuneup chop. What? It's fake. They They facetuned the first photo and only mine, not anybody

Co-host/Producerelse's. No, no, I think they do the other ones, but I don't stop facetuning the original photos. Uh, whoever's doing it. Oh my god. I could do a better AI job. I'm not very photogenic. All right,

Lynnnext. It's a state of mind. I'm so done with this. Oh my god, Rage Mate is crazy. She's also not photogenic. Oh,

Brian Atlaswell, she I think Okay, whatever. Um, next

Unknownaccurate. Yeah, they do Facetune the original. All right, let's see Felicity here. Do

UnknownOh, what the [ __ ] God damn. So dirty. Yikes. All right, go ahead. Do me. But they totally changed your whole face. You still photo from now. What are you

Marin Carreratalking about? You look like Wow. God damn. Like I have her picture good. They totally changed like her entire facial anatomy, bro. Look,

Brian Atlasit's AI. It's not going to be like hyper realistic, you know? I mean, you could do like you could fine-tune it. It's just like a super quick thing that people in the Discord do. Um, is there

Brian Atlasanother one of me? Okay, now we're getting into gender. They did not. Are you going to make us Can you double check? I look like my brother. Kind of fire. I kind of wait to see. All right, keep an eye on it. Keep

Brian Atlasan eye on it to see how Oh, boy. Okay. Uh, Roy Zoran, thank you for the gifted five subs. Appreciate it. We have Pasty George here. Thank you. Pasty George donated

TTS/Donations$200. Chair one, the face and body sag as you age. You can say whatever you want or even claim. Gotcha. However, in reality, no woman can ever beat the

Natalia Starwoman. In reality, I'm not attract but hurt over an AI picture. L MFAO. Women age. And if you like women, you should I'm not butt hurt over the AI but hurt

Natalia Starover um period. Oh god. And yes, women sag. So do men. Actor whenever chair is ball sag. They're up to here, don't they? I'm just

Brian Atlassaying. Holy [ __ ] dude. Okay. Whenever chair one is asked a question, she creates a hypothetical to def deflect from answering honestly. Otherwise, she's stumped as it contradicts or falsifies her worldview. She sidesteps

Marin Carrerathe point galore. Andrew Wilson would make her cry by holding her feet to the fire. Um, Andrew Wilson probably would make me cry. I'm not even going to lie. He's like a master at rage bait. I'd

Marin Carreraprobably be get really upset by him. Um, and creating a hypothetical to deflect from answering honestly. I'd love for you to like pull up lots of evidence of that. But also, I believe that all my

Brian Atlasanswers have been accurate to what I believe. So, oh, hate me if you want, but I'll never know you in real life, and I don't care. That was beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. Okay, we

Brian Atlasneed to get to uh let's see here. Uh sure of life. Okay. Uh I wanted to come back to our conversation at the beginning of the show was all over the place. You were

Brian Atlastalking about Charlie Kirk and then you went you compared him to Andrew Tate and then you I just said they're in the same category in my mind and you said that Charlie Kirk would be like you're

Brian Atlasfearful of women in his circle or something like that. I don't know what that claim was about. Um oh I wanted to explore this. You said you're a

Marin Carreramassandist. Can you explain again what that is? Um, you know, I just believe that if women were in power, there'd be a lot less issues going on in the world. If

Marin Carreraevery country in the entire world was ruled by women, I truthfully, wholeheartedly believe that we would have so many less issues. And even though I may not be able to be proven

Marin Carreraright or wrong, that is my belief. Everyone's intelligent zone believes. Sure. And I'm not saying I hate men. I'm just saying that I believe that women

Marin Carreraare smarter than men in certain ways. But and maybe you can try to prove me wrong, but again, I believe that a lot of the educational system like has been set up by the patriarchy. So, it's not

Brian Atlasfair for you to say that men's IQs are currently higher than women's or whatever fact you're going to throw at me. One thing at a time. You you shot answering one question. I know, but you're shotgunning a lot a lot of points here. I'd like to take them one by one if that's okay. Well, they all are

Brian Atlasgrouped together in my mind. Let me really quickly just explore again. You said the patriarchy as it relates to the education system. We already went over it. I quite clearly demonstrated that there are more women going to college

Brian Atlasand getting degrees than there are men. This would completely contradict and debunk your point that the patriarchy is make like if there was a patriarchy, wouldn't it be the case that they'd be

Brian Atlastrying to favor men into uh higher education? Have you read history books that happened all throughout the past four decades? Women have predominated in the universities. Four decades of

Marin Carrerahundreds of thousands of years at this I'm talking about right now. So here let me but you can't talk about right now history while ignoring history. Yeah. Yeah. For the sake of conversation I and

Brian AtlasI have some disputes as it relates to his your historical points but I'm just going to grant for the sake of argument that you're 100% right. Historically, yes, women were had all these bars to

Brian Atlasentry into education system. Now that I've granted your argument on that, let's talk about modernity. In modernity, for the past 40 years, well, 40 45 years, women have had a dis have

Brian Atlasbeen disproportionately represented in higher education. Now, that now let's talk about that. How could it be evidence current day that the patriarchy has any sort of foothold in anything if

Brian Atlasit is the case that like if the patriarchy wanted to maintain power and and the patriarchy, wouldn't you want to exclude women from higher education because you would agree that higher

Brian Atlaseducation gives people more opportunity and it would try to push the majority of men into having uh opportunity as it relates to higher education. Yeah. But that's clearly not the case. There's more women in higher education. It

Brian Atlasdefeats your point entirely which is what what point does that defeat that the point women I think women are smarter patriarchy and women are barred

Marin Carrerafrom higher education go to college doesn't mean you're smart I mean I agree with you I'm just saying that I believe that if the world had turned out differently and women were in

Brian Atlaspower we would be a lot better off okay question for you on that that's what I mean when I say Miss Question for you on that Um, if if I were to say, just to be clear, I this is not my position

Brian Atlasnecessarily, but if I were to say the following, would you think it would be sexist? I think that the world is better because men do have more power in it. Yes, I think that's sexist. So, how is

Brian Atlasyour position not sexist if you were to say, I think the world would be better if women were in charge? It is. Oh, okay. So, you're sexist. She said she's m misogyny is the

Marin Carreraopposite of misandry. Feminism is in the middle. Okay. So you hate misandry. I'm but okay. Misogyny isn't I hate all women. It's I believe that men are better than women and deserve more

Marin Carrerapower. Feminism is I think everyone should be equal and misandry is I think women deserve more power. I believe that women would do better in positions of power than men and that is my belief

Brian Atlassystem. Okay. But you would also, wouldn't you fight against men making the positive claim that men are if men are in positions of power that they actually think that the world would be a

Brian Atlasbetter place if more men are in positions of power? Yeah. What about it? Well, you would object to that statement, right? Yeah, but they'd object to mine. What? But shouldn't you object to your own sexist rhetoric? No.

Marin CarreraSo, it's okay. Just to be clear, you're against sexism. Sort of, but only if men are sexist towards women. Not if women were sexist towards men. You know, I truthfully also believe that if women were in power, sexism would not really

Marin Carrerabe as big of a thing. Everyone's lives would just be better off. And that's my again, that's my own belief. I don't believe that women if women were in power, I don't believe that women would create a system that is unfair towards

Marin Carreramen. I believe that things would be a lot more equal. I just think that women would be better off in power. I'm trying to explore the logic. So you would be, I assume,

Brian Atlasideologically opposed to a man saying that they think that society is better or would be better if men Well, let's say men are currently fully in power. Uh

Brian Atlasyou would object to this sort of statement. Yeah. Well, men already think that all the time. I'm not I'm not sure if that's actually the case because you're that's sort of a male supremacy view, but I think a lot of people

Brian Atlasbelieve in sort of a more complimentarian perspective as it relates to gender roles, but I'm just curious. So, you think just to be clear, you think society would be better

Brian Atlasif women were in charge? Yeah. Yeah, I do. But so then you I you can't then object. I suppose you might disagree, but I might disagree, but I don't object. They can say whatever they want to say. They can believe whatever they want to believe. So you're fine with but

Brian AtlasI'll fight them on it and they can fight me on my view. I'm fine with that. I mean there actually there is some logical consistency there. If you're if you're saying you would disagree but you'd actually be okay with men saying

Brian Atlasyeah we should continue the patriarchy because I think the patriarchy is better for the world. Men are allowed to think that. Yeah. And are men also allowed to think for example the world would be a worse place if women had predominated in

Marin Carreraroles of power? Yeah. People are allowed to People are allowed to think whatever they want to think. Okay. But you would probably categorize it as sexist, right?

Marin CarreraSure. But you're sexist, too. Yeah. Oh, well. Okay. But sexism is bad. Sexism on a grand scale where women have

Marin Carrerabeen like shut down and oppressed in multiple ways is a bad thing. And I again I believe that if women were in power, they would not be oppressive towards men. It would just be different. And again, you can never prove me right

Marin Carreraor wrong because we'd have to completely uproot the world and change the way things are. That's just what I believe. Mary, hide it. Sorry. Go ahead. What? Don't Don't worry

Marin Carreraabout it. Go ahead. I I was done with my sentence. Can you just repeat the last 10 seconds? I got distracted there. Um, I believe that if women were in charge there, they would not be

Marin Carreraoppressive towards men. It would be different. However, you can't prove me right or wrong. And so, it's just a belief. Just like a lot of things are just beliefs. I'm fine with people arguing with me. I'm fine with people disagreeing with me. That's just my

Marin Carrerabelief system. Okay. So, sexism bad though. Yeah. Okay. So, why are you engaging in something that's bad? Because sexism on a grand scale where like if we denied men the right to do

Marin Carrerajobs or to make money or to do different things, that would be bad. However, I believe that if women were in power, men would not be oppressed in any way. Things would be a lot more equal and

Marin Carrerawomen would just do better in positions of mass power. That is my belief. There's no way to prove me right or wrong. So, you're just going to have to take it as at my word. And that's just what I believe. I'm okay with people disagreeing with me. I'm okay with men

Marin Carrerathinking that it's different. There's lots of men who think that only men can be in power and, you know, a woman's just going to bomb someone when they're on their period, which is complete BS. But that is a big thing that a lot of men think. I'm allowed to think what I

Marin Carrerawant to think and it's just a belief and there's no science behind it. I mean, there's a little bit of science behind it, but I'd have to really do like a deep thesis paper on this if I wanted to like really try to prove myself. My

Brian Atlasconfusion here is if it is your position that sexism is bad and we should move away from sexism, how are you going to reconcile your own admitted sexism? Because I don't believe if women were in

Marin Carrerapower, they would actually oppress the male gender. It wouldn't be a sexism thing. It's just me saying I think women would be better in power. The way that men are

Marin Carrerain power, they oppress women in multiple ways. I believe that if women in were in power, they would not oppress men. People would be equal, but women would be more in power. Uh how are women oppressed? I don't want to get into this rage bait

Brian Atlaswith you right now. How how would that be rage bait? It's literally, you literally just said, you listed so many ways that women are oppressed. Okay. What ways are women oppressed?

Marin CarreraSexually. Men have more sexual power. If you if you get essayed and you go to a judge, it's way more likely that a man's going to be let off the hook than a woman. Wait, men have more hold on, hold

Brian Atlason. One at a time, please. One at a time. Uh you're saying that when it comes to when it comes to prosecutions and somebody being found guilty, you're saying women are more likely to be found guilty of crimes than men are. No, I

Marin Carreradidn't say that. That's what you just said. I said that men are likely to get off the hook for sexual aggression. How so? As compared to like right now Trump's trying to like say that Diddy

Marin Carrerashouldn't be in jail. Because did he actually make that claim? Tweeted that. Trump sent a tweet about Diddy. Yeah, I'm not aware of the tweet. Maybe I

Marin Carreradon't. But I'm just saying in general in general there's so many stories of women trying to come out about their essay stories and getting shut down because you know what were they wearing

Marin Carreraand different things about men. There is oppression there and it's if even if it's not the US, there's mass oppression in oh my gosh so many places in the

Marin Carreraworld. We're very lucky in the US. I I know that there we are. I am not very oppressed as a woman in the US, you know, but there are so many places and we're forgetting that there are so many

Marin Carreraplaces where like women aren't even like allowed to sing or speak or go in public without a man in the Middle East. Come on. Like that's terrible. Yeah, that's true. That depends on. And so yeah, it depends on

Marin Carrerathe country. And in the US, we're very lucky to not have to deal with such strong oppression. However, there's still aspects of oppression that we deal with. If one woman is hurting, we are all hurting. If women in different

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