Jubilee Girl Says She Is A MlSANDRlST?! She DEBATES Brian?! Lawyer Boss Babe?! | Dating Talk #245

Date: 2025-06-02

Duration: 8h 51m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMarin Carrera >

NNatalia Star >

LLynn (Tax Attorney)>

KKayn May (Photographer)>

HHaley (WSU Finance)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Silana(guest)

SPEAKER_02Haley + Felicity (blended)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Marin Carrera(guest)

SPEAKER_04Natalia Star(guest)

SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Lynn(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kayn May(guest)

Key Moments

OtherNatalia Star describes masturbating with the moonlight during a full moon and claiming to be trisexual.

“I masturbated with the moon before... It was like mutual masturbation. Like you felt a vibe with them. Yeah. Felt the moon. It was a full moon.”

OtherSilana tells the story of her third husband dying of accidental fentanyl exposure while rescuing her drug-addicted daughter in Los Angeles, December 2020.

“He went to LA December 2nd, 2020... He found her... December 5th he was dead... They found a very little dose of fentanyl in his system which we believe that it was the fentanyl that my daughter had because he fell like that.”

QuoteMarin declares herself a misandrist, not a feminist, saying women are better than men intellectually and as leaders.

“Do you consider yourself a feminist? No. No. No. I'd consider myself a misandrist. A misandress believes that women are actually better than men.”

QuoteMarin states that women have greater intellectual capabilities than men and are more interested in the goodness of their country, while men are more interested in power.

“I believe that women have greater intellectual capabilities than men do. They have a better way to lead... men are more interested in power than they are in the goodness of their country.”

ControversyMarin argues that queens who started wars were controlled by men and not truly in power, countered by Silana citing Margaret Thatcher and the Falklands War.

“Margaret Thatcher started the war taking the Malvina Islands from Argentina. She was a woman and she motivated and she started a war.”

OtherNatalia Star rates herself a 10/10 and references Scarlett Johansson and Sydney Sweeney as her celebrity equivalents.

“10. 10. Okay. Period... Scarlett Johansson. And I've seen her without makeup and she was a 10. And she's a sweet girl. She was super sweet when I met her.”

OtherNatalia Star reveals a body count over 1000, having had 20 partners in one night at gang bang parties. Brian notes she is in the adult industry.

“I'm over a thousand for sure. You're in the industry, right? Yeah. I had like 20 in a night. I used to do gang bang parties back in the day.”

ControversyEnd-of-show confrontation between Marin and Haley over Haley's views on promiscuity, with Marin accusing Haley of imposing her opinions on all women.

“It's when she tries to force them onto all women that I have a problem with... It's the fact that you're trying to make it seem normalized for all women when it's just your opinion.”

Key MomentHaley tells Marin her tits are out in response to Marin criticizing promiscuity; Marin says her boyfriend chose the outfit.

“Not super, but your tits are out. So, the guy I'm with chose this outfit for me.”

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

All seven guests introduce themselves: Marin Carrera (viral Jubilee/Charlie Kirk girl), Natalia Star (adult performer/DJ), Lynn (tax attorney), Kayn May (boudoir photographer), Silana (flight attendant/concert pianist/widow), Haley (WSU student), Felicity (Whatever staff/student).

Marin's Jubilee/Charlie Kirk Background

Marin describes how she ended up in the viral Jubilee video debating Charlie Kirk. Applied during COVID, got a call 2 years later, didn't know the opponent was Kirk until she arrived. Went viral for repeatedly saying 'No, I'm speaking' when interrupted. Argued about abortion rights.

Relationship Status Round

Brian goes around table asking current relationship status, longest relationships, who broke up with whom, rosters, orientation, and marriage history. Silana shares story of three marriages; second husband died of stroke; third husband died Dec 2020 of accidental fentanyl exposure rescuing her drug-addicted daughter.

Misandry Debate — Marin vs Brian

Marin declares herself a misandrist (not feminist), arguing women are intellectually superior and better suited to lead. Brian challenges her with data on female monarchs waging more wars, Scandinavian countries having prosperity from natural resources pre-dating female leadership, and college enrollment data showing women outpacing men since 1980. Marin defends position throughout.

Wage Gap Discussion

Extended debate on the gender wage gap. Brian argues it shrinks when controlling for hours worked, industry, and job type. Marin and others argue systemic barriers still exist for women. Lynn notes wage gap exists mainly due to career interruptions from childbearing. Brian presents college enrollment infographics showing women outnumber men since 1980.

Women and Higher Education Data

Brian presents infographics showing women have outnumbered men in US college enrollment since 1980, with current 60/40 female/male split. Counters Marin's claim that men are pushed toward education more. Discussion of men going into blue-collar trades vs women into higher education.

Self-Ratings Round

Brian asks guests to rate their looks 1-10, can't pick 7. Ratings: Marin 5-6, Natalia 10, Lynn 8, Kayn 9, Silana 8, Haley 5, Felicity 6. Guests asked to name celebrity at their level. Natalia claims Scarlett Johansson/Sydney Sweeney level. Kayn claims 9 citing strangers stopping her. Debate about Jake Gyllenhaal (rated 7 by Kayn), Brad Pitt, Ryan Gosling.

Partner Requirements

Brian asks minimum yearly income requirements for a partner. Kayn: $500K/year. Marin: just enough to live independently. Other guests give various answers. Height requirements: Marin is 6'0" and requires minimum 6'0"; others around 5'10". Bear vs man on hike question — Marin and Natalia pick bear, others split.

Privilege Debate — Male vs Female

Discussion on whether men or women have more societal privilege. Marin, Natalia agree men more privileged. Lynn argues from career perspective — pregnancy/childcare forces women to trade off career advancement. Brian argues women have greater privilege in dating market — can choose to be stay-at-home while most men cannot opt out of provider role. Kayn distinguishes income from assets/wealth.

Systemically Racist/Sexist Definitions

Marin argues women can't be sexist toward men and Black people can't be systemically racist toward white people because systemic power defines racism/sexism. Brian pushes back with bear vs man analogy mapped to race. Kayn disagrees with Marin's systemic definition. Brian drops out of college privilege framing from Kayn.

Body Count Discussion

Brian asks everyone's body count. Natalia: 1000+ (in industry, had 20 in one night at gang bang parties). Kayn: over 100, maybe over 200, stopped counting around 10 in high school. Lynn: declined to disclose, said Brian would be 'fine' with it. Marin: 'less than 20,' within range Brian would be fine with. Haley: 2. Brian notes reluctance to disclose suggests body count does matter.

Women's Duties and Promiscuity Debate

Haley states women's duties include not being promiscuous and being loyal and modest. Other guests (Marin, Natalia) push back, arguing women can dress and act as they choose. Heated exchange over gym attire and whether women invite unwanted attention by dressing revealingly. Haley holds conservative position to end of show.

Transcript

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Marin Carreraideals, energies, misogynist, and misogynistic ideals. Well, okay, hold on. A couple things. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead. I bet I bet Charlie Kirk's wife

Marin Carrerabelieves in everything he says, and I hope she's doing really good. I That's, you know, Miss Arizona. Arizona is a very interesting area. Sure. Um, and I

Marin Carrerabet she's totally fine with it. However, I fear she never has to face any violent or upsetting, and I just

Brian Atlashope that she lives a great life. Are you suggesting that Charlie Kirk's wife is uh at risk of violence at Charlie Kirk's hands? Maybe not even his hands, but you know, I bet he has a lot of friends who are dangerous and upsetting. Somebody,

Marin Carrerayou're saying somebody in Charlie Kirk's circle is Yes. has a high likelihood of assaulting Charlie Kirk's wife. You know, I'm not saying that per se, but like I would Sounds like what you're saying. I would not feel comfortable in

Marin Carreraa room with Charlie Kirk and his friends. Okay. And but I bet his wife does. I bet his wife's very comfortable where she is. So, I hope she just I'm just saying I hope she's happy. Sure. Would you feel more comfortable in a room with like Destiny or like some

Brian Atlasother liberal? I don't know who that is. You don't know who Destiny is? No. Uh what about like Harry Sison or whatever? Harry the Tik Tocker. Yeah. Harry Sison, like Democrat. Yeah. Okay.

Marin CarreraNow, I'm a little confused though. You said Charlie Kirk and uh Andrew Tate are similar. I do feel they are similar. Can you be more specific in what ways are they similar? Um violence, even if it's

Marin Carreranot violence physically, like political violence against women, just hating women. Can you clarify what you mean by political violence? I think they would share a lot of similar views about

Brian Atlasabortion. And wait, can you move your m Can you move your microphone this way and just No, no, no. Scoot it this way. Scoot it. Scoot it. Scoot it. No, no, no, no, no. This way. Here. Just I'm following your thumbs. But you're moving

Brian Atlasit too much. I'm just trying I'm just trying to get it aligned with right here. No, this way. This way more. Uh I mean, can you try to be like straight with the table? She's too tall.

Marin CarreraOkay, that's fine. Like this political violence. How um Andrew Tate and Charlie Kirk have both expressed, you know, issues against women's rights.

Brian AtlasWell, okay, we we need to separate Andrew Tate and Charlie Kirk. I think they have very different views. I would categorize Charlie Kirk. Oh, Andrew Tate is worse. Uh so Andrew Tate and Charlie

Marin Carreraworse. I mean, Andrew Tate is more aggressive towards his hate towards women and his disrespect towards women, and Charlie Kirk tries to hide it be behind Christianity. However, they both,

Brian AtlasI think, value women less than the normal man. And that's what I mean. That's what I mean. They're simil similar. Sure. What has led you to believe? So, everything. Well, I'm going to keep it to Charlie Kirk because I

Brian Atlasit's easier for me to do it this way. Um, what specifically has Charlie Kirk said that would lead you to believe that? That he doesn't want women to get abortions. But you said that something

Brian Atlasabout like equal rights or that or no, you said that he doesn't view women as equal or as having the same value as men. Yeah. Okay. How so? Even just

Marin Carrerasaying that women shouldn't be allowed to have an abortion is assuming that they have less rights than men. the right to their bodily anomy, like their autonomy. Well, I'm sure some of the people on the panel want to weigh in on

Brian Atlasthat, but okay. So, abortion. Don't you actually think though, uh, do you consider yourself a feminist? No. No. No. I'd consider myself a misand.

Marin CarreraSo, a feminist? No. Well, what's the difference between a feminist and a feminist believes that everyone is equal? A misandress believes that women are actually better than men. How are they better than Hold on. Hold

Brian Atlason. Mhm. So just to be clear, you are making accusations that uh well my understanding of that would be female supremacy which I guess could fall under the

Marin Carreracategorization of misandry. But do you hate men? No. So misandry? What is misandry? So So misogyny is what's been going on for a

Marin Carrerareally long time where men are better than women. Men deserve more power than women. men are smarter than women, men are stronger than women, blah blah

Marin Carrerablah. Miss Sandre believes, you know, I think in a perfect world, women would be in charge of everything. And if you look at countries that are happier and better

Marin Carreraoff, women are more in charge. And I'm not saying that men suck. Men are great. Men are needed. I'm not saying we should kill all men, whatever. Like, I don't I don't support that whole message.

Marin CarreraHowever, if you look at countries that are doing better, women are in charge of

Marin Carreraa lot of the government. And I think women because of the system that men have created, which is unfair. Men are

Marin Carrerataught to be more masculine and strong and whatever. However, you know, if we were all taught to be equal, I'd be a feminist. However, because women have been taught to be more empathetic, a lot

Brian Atlasof women are just better at handling political and social problems. Okay. There's a lot there. Um, let's start with your claim that you're you're saying that there are

Marin Carreracountries where there is a predominance of female leadership and these countries are better. Yeah. Okay. Which countries are those? A lot of the Scandinavian countries like I think Copenhagen and

Marin Carreralike Scandinavian countries. Copenhagen is a is the capital of Denmark. It's not a country, but are you talking I'm just talking about Scandinavian Scandinavian areas are known to be the happiest places on

Marin Carreraearth. And so you're saying those countries are not patriarchies. A lot of them. Yeah. You're saying the Scandinavian countries are not patriarchies? I'm not saying that exactly, but I know they have a lot more

Marin Carrerawomen in control than the US does, which right now the US is predominantly controlled by old men. Yeah. by old men. Sure. And you're saying that these Scandinavian

Brian Atlascountries strictly there's no other factors that might contribute to uh them being at least from your worldview better countries such as what? I know you're the one making the claim. How are

Marin Carrerathey better countries? Well, the women are in charge and they create rules that are more good for the people of the country rather than the rich people of the country. I'm not totally versed on

Marin Carrerathis subject. However, based on what I've seen, the countries of the world that have more female leaders are doing h are the people in those

Marin Carreracountries are happier and more welloff than the women or just the people in like the US right now for example. How so? They get health care. They get Oh,

Marin Carrerafree healthare. Free health care. Free just care in general. Women get better maternity leave. women get everyone is saying that they're happier in those

Marin Carreracountries like I'm pretty sure Denmark or somewhere just got voted like happiest place on earth for 2025 and it's a place run by women and you're

Brian Atlassaying like for example if we look at Norway I believe is a country of uh what is it four or five million something around that uh you're saying because

Brian Atlasthere's more female leadership in some of these Scandinavian countries that uh because simply by virtue of that that's why these countries enjoy like more prosperity or are better. Yeah. Okay.

Marin CarreraYou don't think like for example with Norway it might have to do with their like abundance of natural resources and you don't think that's because the women who rule that country and who help that country have protected those Donald Trump has taken away so many of our

Brian Atlasnatural resources already and people are already unhappy about that. Well, I can't speak specifically as well, my understanding is this uh as it

Brian Atlasrelates to Norway Norway's natural resources. Uh the sort of uh prosperity that that has granted its citizenry has

Brian Atlasbeen in place for uh many many decades. I'm assuming prior to even the uh increasing uh representation of women in its government body. Okay. So I'm not

Brian Atlassure that that has the prosperity of Norway for example has anything to do with like current day uh perhaps increased representation of women in government. However, if you look at the countries that have had increases in

Marin Carrerawomen governments and you look at the ones who have had decrease and who have had predominantly men, you can see a vast difference in the amount of environmental protectionism acts and

Marin Carreraother things that have to do with women's health, child health, anything to do with like the goodness of the people. Hm. I think and although again

Marin CarreraI'm not saying that men are a problem because I know lots of great men. It's just when countries rely on only men for power. I think that's dangerous. And in

Marin Carreraa world where feminism is seen as a bad thing because feminism means only women. I'm gonna stick up for only women because a lot of men who claim to be feminists or women who even claim to be

Marin Carrerafeminists still side with like the way things are right now because things are better now than they were in like the '60s. Couple clarifying questions here. You

Brian Atlasyou cited to uh you cited to Scandinavian countries. Uh would you say that these women who are there's there's a greater representation of women in the government uh are they typically white?

Brian AtlasI don't think it matters. But why would it not matter? Because I don't think race matters with power. But but gender does. A lot of Scandinavian countries are predominantly white. But so I'm just curious, why are you saying these countries are better because there's

Brian Atlasmore women in power? Why wouldn't you just make that claim about it's better because of white women? Because I think even Africa or Somalia would do better

Brian Atlaswith a black woman leader than the leader they have currently. Okay. So going back to your claim about misandry, can you again explain to me when you say you're a misandreist, what does that

Marin Carreramean? I believe that women have greater intellectual capabilities than men do. They have a better way to lead and they are more and I know a lot of men say women are more emotional. I think they're just

Marin Carreramore sympathetic and empathetic to groups of people. Okay. And what are men? So, from what I've seen from the

Marin Carreraworld, men are more interested in power than they are in the goodness of their country. Men more interested in power. And I think

Marin Carrerawomen are more interested in making sure that their country is taken care of. And that could be wrong. I'd love for a man to prove me wrong. And I some men have

Marin Carreraproven me wrong in certain countries. However, in the vast majority of like the biggest countries, it's been scary to see only men in power saying that women can't be in power because of their

Brian Atlasemotions where men make all the emotional destructive decisions. What are some of those? War. What if I told you that uh if they were if there was a study for example, and there is that

Brian Atlasthey did an analysis of female monarchs, female queens. Okay? Okay. And they actually found that the female queens Hold on. You got Let me finish. Uh I don't recall the specific date range, but monarchs, right? So they found that uh female queen or queens

Marin Carrerawere much more likely to wage war than kings. So this would seem to indicate there's a perhaps a greater propensity for violence actually in women. Well, you know, one story I know of is one of the queens of France created a war

Marin Carreraagainst I think it was Spain or Italy or something because her husband created unfair decisions between those two. I think it was like the queen um queen of something Medadichi or something like

Marin CarreraI don't forget her full name. I can't speak Italian. The medichi. Yeah. I know I know one queen I know one queen did wage war before her husband because her

Marin Carrerahusband died in war. Mhm. And she wanted to restore peace. And I know war war is a big thing. But if you look at the history of the

Marin Carreraworld, way more wars have been started by men. And it's kind of an unfair study to say more women have started wars. I

Marin Carrerawould look at when you look at like but per capita per because women were often controlled by men's decisions. Even if they were queen, they were told what to

Brian Atlasdo. The the just to be clear, the queen was told what to do. Yes. So both kings and queens have counselors, but they're never told what

Marin Carrerato do. Yeah. They they have ultimate power. Were you there? Were you there? No. Then how would you be able to make the claim? How? Because, you know, it's

Marin Carrerait's just clear that the women who were in power were not actually in power because of stories they've told, stories we've heard of different men telling them like, "By the way, you should do

Marin Carrerathis." Because just because you're queen doesn't mean you have political knowledge passed down from you from generations. Multiple queens were sold to kings to like just be there. Wait, hold on. So just to be clear, okay, so

Brian Atlasyou have the queen who's married to the king who's in power, but like which queen are you talking about? Hold on. So uh the the monarchy can pass down through hereditary lines. It's always to

Brian Atlasthe son though, right? But if there is no son, it goes to the the daughter and such empire. We've seen this all throughout history. If you look at England, for example, there are plenty of queens. When

Brian Atlasyou mean the one that was in power, like the one that just died? Yeah, the queen. Yeah, the queen. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was Queen I'm not an expert in like thei the monarchies of England and Britain, but I believe Queen uh was it

Brian AtlasQueen Victoria, Queen Elizabeth. So there's England. Yeah, the Queen of England. So there's been plenty of queens who uh you know, it wasn't just

Brian Atlaslike thrust upon them through marriage. They became the queen through hereditary lines. But a majority of queens come through marriage lines because well so

Marin Carreraif you because even if you're the eldest daughter the castle the the royalty line goes to the oldest do a son but if there is no eldest son or the son dies then yes well then they kept trying for a son

Marin Carreraas much as they could and they but they would teach the queen you have to start a war you have to do these things that a man would do the count who I don't If

Natalia Starall women were involved in in being like not just one queen, there wouldn't be any wars. There's still wars because all the other men are out there trying to fight. So if it was all women queens,

Marin Carrerayou know, there's no way to actually prove it cuz you'd have to go back in time and change the course of history. I believe that if women were in charge for most of the world, there'd be way

Brian Atlasless war than there is today. So, but what you think that but that's just an assertion. What's the argument for why that would be? Because it's we've only

Brian Atlashad wars really attacked and chosen by men in this current day and age. There's been plent again historically I can't I don't have live recall for like a specific war that some

Silanaqueen in the 16th century started. Exactly. Okay. Argentina toucher. Margaret, you got to speak into the mic. You got to speak into the mic. Margaret Margaret Thatcher, Argentina. She

Silanastarted the war. Margaret Thatcher started the war taking the Malvina Islands from Argentina. I'm Argentina. I know that part of the story. She was a

Silanawoman and she um um uh motivated and she started a war. Not to be against you, but it just came to my mind. Of course. Of course. Do you know there's many women was started for? Excuse me. Do you

Silanaknow what the war was started for? For the islands, the Malvina Islands. the islands that are right next to Argentina, England took them and Margaret Thatcher Margaret Thatcher did

Silanashe started she was the first minister of um England. Okay. And uh I was back there. It was in 1982. I was in second I was a junior and um and there was a war

Silanaa war and my country was in war because of Margaret Thatcher. I can I have a second a second one. Uh Christina Kishner she brought the most violence in

SilanaArgentina in the history of Argentina. Thank you, Seth. So, it I think what you're saying is true and there's a lot of cases, but there's other cases. I I think you're focusing on things that

Marin Carrerareally happened. I think you're right. It happened, but but no, women brought a lot of violence. In any case, both parties are going to commit violence. But if you look at per capita, I think

Marin Carreramen are more likely to commit violence for reasons that aren't justified than women. And women at least plan things out a little bit. So you're saying men

Marin Carreradon't plan things out? No, I don't agree with that. You think I mean I don't I haven't seen all the war plans of America. I haven't seen all the war plans of different countries. But if you look at the biggest terrorist groups,

Marin Carrerathe biggest groups that have committed mass violence, all of them are led by men. And if you look at the groups that have been led by women, they're much more peaceful per capita.

Brian AtlasNo, it's just fundamentally not true. Again, they've done analysis per capita. If they've looked at female leaders historically, they were just as, if not more likely to start wars than men. But

Marin Carrerawhen how would why would that matter? Because a lot of women in early years were completely controlled by men even if they were in power or not.

Brian AtlasUh well typically no typically with monarchies the the monarch especially historically they had absolute power but women aren't in the time in the 1617

Marin Carreraalmost in the 1800s what we're talking about power exactly you are too women who had power were raised and taught by only men and a lot of their decisions

Marin Carrerawere made by men. What do you mean their decisions were made by men? They were told what to do. They were told what is right. They were taught what is right by

Marin Carreranot women, not like open, you know how like in today's world, schools aren't fully allowed to teach religion if they're a public school and not like a Catholic school. Women who were born

Marin Carrerainto royalty and who they knew they were going to have to be royalty for the rest of their lives were not taught by parties who were like, you know, they

Marin Carrerawere taught by parties who were very much for one thing. Do you think you could maybe give an example? Maybe. Marian Twinette, she's one of my favorite examples. Marian

Marin CarreraTwinette was beheaded because she said quote unquote, "Let them eat cake." even though she never said that. She was taken from Austria when she was very young and moved to France. She barely even spoke the language. She was married

Marin Carrerato one of the kings. And then when the king went under, everyone blamed her for being a bad person and for not caring about the poor when she genuinely had no

Marin Carrerareal clue what was going on. She was just kept to be married to the king and then she was beheaded because she was an evil person. However, she genuinely had no clue what was happening. Do you have

Marin Carreraanother example? I'm not completely caught up on English queens and queens, but I've been to Europe and I've heard lots of stories of different queens that have just even if they had their own

Marin Carreramind and even if it's documented that they had their own ideas, you have to understand that at that time every woman's life was controlled by men.

Marin CarreraTheir father's word was the word of God. They had no clue what was wrong and what was right. And so them believing that whatever a man said like let's do war,

Marin Carreralet's do this, let's whatever, they thought it was correct because that was the only thing they were being told. And it's very sad and I a lot of women had their own ability. Do you want to

Haley + Felicity (blended)push back? You you seem like you wanted to push back. I got to get up. Go ahead. Um, I'm not sure entirely about this, but I'm pretty sure in the 1900s, maybe

Haley + Felicity (blended)1800s, um, in England for I think it was, uh, for the right to vote, uh, they burned a lot of factories down. Do you think they were led by men

Natalia Starto do that? No, I think they were fighting for their rights by burning down factories. The factories they were forced to work in for no money. Yeah. You gota rage when you're like trying to

Haley + Felicity (blended)protest and stuff like that. You gota you can't be nice with Well, earlier you said that women in leadership roles don't commit violence. I didn't say

Natalia Starthat. In a in a misogynistic world where everyone is uh violent, women are going to be violent inherent. Inherently, they're going to become violent because

Marin Carreraof the societal, you know, projection of everyone else. What's your what's your question? Just do you think women Well, earlier you

Haley + Felicity (blended)said that women in leadership roles commit violence or don't commit violence and I was just giving you an example of them committing violence. I don't

Marin Carreraconsider that as big of a violent act as what men in government have created. You know, it's not a genocide. It's not some sort of giant war. It's them saying,

Marin Carrera"What we're going through is completely unfair. You're making us work in factories for zero dollars. You're abusing us. You're sexually abusing us. And we're over it. And we want equal

Marin Carrerarights. A revolution is different than a war or a genocide." But I get your point. Equal rights as in not having a job or No, as in women being respected

Marin Carreraas the same way as men. women getting equal pay, women getting equal hours. I mean nowadays it's much different. We get very equal

Marin Carrerastuff somewhat, but back then it was so different. Somewhat how how they got like dollars and dollars and dollars less than men. How they got

Marin Carreradifferent hours. How they got treated differently by the boss. How they got no respect in the workplace. No, I mean somewhat how are we treated unequally

Marin Carreranow? The wage gap. Exa is one example. Sexism is the workplace. What? Sexism in the workplace. She said the wage gap. I mean, the wage gap is

Marin Carreraone. That's still a thing. You can't deny that. It might have changed in some states. It might have been different, but it's still an issue. There is no there is no wage gap. This has been That's what I was wondering. Do

Kayn Mayyou think that women completely debunked by economists? But but I do think men and women can get paid differently for the same job depending where that instance is taking place. Thank you. As in there are men that are willing to do

Kayn Maymy job for free and would sign up and beg to do my job and I charge money for what I do. Well, really quick on the wage guy, but here you wanted to go. Go ahead. Do you think that women work as

Marin Carreramuch as men? Depends where you're asking. It depends who you're asking. It doesn't matter. In a general basis, do you think they were in the office? Wait, hold on. Hold on here. Let's do this.

Marin CarreraExplain the wage gap. If I applied for one job and a man applied for the same job, a boss is more likely to give a man, even if it's just

Marin Carreratwo pennies more. A man is more likely to get my job than I am. Because a boss who may or might not even be a woman, it's still no. Let's say I'm pregnant

Marin Carreraand I apply for a job. I probably will get rejected because I'm pregnant, but a man will get that job even if his wife is pregnant because So, hold on, hold on. Because I'm going to take a leave of

Marin Carreraabsence. Yes. And it's fair to say, listen, you're completely qualified for this job, but in 9 months, you're going to give birth. I can't handle that. What if I get the job and I give birth 2

Haley + Felicity (blended)years later? I would say that when the first hiring process, new hires, they'll want someone that will work for a longer period of time at first. You think that's fair?

Brian AtlasYeah, I think that's totally fair. Wait, hold on. Aren't you making an advocation that women should occupy a majority of positions of political power? So, wouldn't it actually be within your like your logical framework actually okay for

Brian Atlasdiscrimination? You're just okay with discrimination towards men, but discrimination towards women is not okay. I'm not saying that men shouldn't be allowed to be in a political space. Aren't you a female supremacist? No.

Marin CarreraHold on. You said you were a misandress. Different than a female supremacist. The way you explained it earlier, No. Listen, a female supremacist would say men should not be allowed. I don't think

Brian Atlasthey would necessarily say that. That's what I believe. I think a male supremacist would say like, "Oh, well, women could do these sorts of jobs." And, you know, but they wouldn't just outright perhaps ban women from the

Marin Carreraworkforce. A male supremacist would say women should not be allowed in the political spectrum. And I would say, we're talking about something different now. You're talking about the political spectrum. We were talking about the work. I thought you were talking about political. By the way, just to be clear,

Brian AtlasI'm not making an advocacy I'm not making an advocacy for supremacy one way or the other. I'm saying this is probably what they would say, but I'm a little confused because you were making an advocation towards you're saying

Brian Atlaswomen are better at XYZ air go. They should have uh an overabundance of representation in politics in the workforce. I never said that. I

Marin Carrerapersonally believe and I don't speak for everyone in the US. I personally believe in a perfect world would have a little bit more power. Even if they Oh. Oh. Oh.

Marin CarreraEven if they were just That's not what you said. Well, oh, I said women are better. Okay. Women are better. I don't believe that. But I can't enforce that on everyone. And I'm a positive of that. Wait, what do you mean you can't enforce

Marin Carrerait? I can't tell everyone in the entire US women are better and if you don't vote for only women, I'm going to kill you. I can't say that. So, I think Well,

Marin Carrerayou could say it, but I can't. I think women deserve way more recognition in not only the political workspace but the in like everything work space

Marin Carreraenvironmental political everything workspace women should get a little bit more cuz right now it is mainly men known for being we're hold on

Brian Atlaswe're all over the place here so I want to bring it back to Charlie Kirk but first really quick to get through the wage gap so you were saying so I'm going to put aside side the comments about, you know, you're saying that there's uh

Brian Atlasinequality when it comes to hiring practices. Let's assume both a man has the same job, a woman has the same job. When you're say you're essentially making the argument that that woman gets paid, I've heard different numbers, 70

Brian Atlascents, 80 cents, whatever it is. Uh explain that component of it to me where women make uh less. Women get hired for less than men. Sometimes men are more

Marin Carreralikely to not settle for a smaller amount because women know that they can't get much better jobs in like a high corporate position. Men are much more likely to get a higher paying job

Marin Carrerathan women, especially if they're don't have kids yet. If they already have kids and they're not planning on getting pregnant again, they might get offered a more of a salary. However, women who

Marin Carreraeven have a little bit of a slight chance of getting pregnant, even if it's not said out loud, it is more likely for them to not get paid or offered as job. I'm just curious on that note, but it

Brian Atlasit's kind of diverging a little bit from the wage gap conversation. If you were running a business, would you hire a woman who was uh like 7 months pregnant? I mean, usually women who are seven months pregnant aren't applying for a

Brian Atlasjob, but it depends on her. But you would make the argument and you made the claim earlier that it would be unfair for a company to not want to hire a woman who's seven months pregnant. I know you're saying that most seven month

Brian Atlaswomen who are pregnant at 7 months, they on their own don't want to get a job. But let's assume she is trying to get a job. So if you're running a business and say you're a startup and you have like limited resources, would you hire like a

Brian Atlaswoman who's 7 months pregnant? Depends how qualified she is. That's what I say. She's qualified fully more than the man. super qualified, but you you know that within 2 months she's going to go ahead and take her maternity leave and you're

Brian Atlasstarting up your business and the success of your business and your own capital is on the line. And if your business fails, you go out, you lose your own money, your own investment. Would you hire that woman? Well, you can

Marin Carreraask her multiple question. There's multiple women who only get one day of maternity leave and have to go right back to work because if they're new hires, they have to go right back to work. That's the law. I'm pretty sure it's exceptionally rare for for pregnant

Marin Carrerapregnant pregnant women to take off one day. No, there are some companies that if you are a new hireer, you're not allowed maternity leave. And you can state that. You can say, "I know you

Marin Carrerawant a job and I know you're super qualified. I'm not allowed to offer you maternity leave." Depends on if they say yes or no. I agree that there are some women who are like they give birth

Brian Atlasliterally the placenta is still it's still attached and she [ __ ] runs to work in her boss when they give birth. Well, no I mean it's the the what's it called? The the umbilical cord is

Brian Atlasliterally hanging out of her vagina and she runs to work. I think that happens probably. She runs to work in her boss babe heels and she's like feminism. I'm ready to work. Now putting that aside, you want to answer my question? And if

Brian Atlasyou're running a business, would you hire that woman? It depends on what she's willing to do. She wants to take she wants to take maternity leave. 6 months, 6 weeks. What? What's the What's the typical? I think it's 6 weeks. Sure.

Marin CarreraShe wants to take six weeks. Yeah, I'll hire you. Okay. So, just to be clear, you're going to hire this critical position and your business is at stake. Yeah. If she is more qualified than her male counterparts that have applied for

Marin Carrerathis position. If she's the most qualified person for this position and she says, "I will be able to come back to work and do really well," then why not? Yeah, I agree. I'm going to go

Brian Atlasahead and grant for the sake of this conversation that she's much more qualified than the men. But she's still leaving you for with six, seven, eight

Brian Atlasweeks where she won't be working for you. She'll take you for the team. How I don't understand how work a little harder during that time and let the

Brian Atlaswoman be working at home. No, I'm saying that uh so the other employees have to pick up the slack. That's what she's saying. It depends on the situation

Marin Carreracompletely, but companies purposefully not hiring pregnant or suspected to be pregnant women is a big issue. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if they're taking time off. Everyone takes

Brian Atlastime off. Everyone's eventually going to take time off. Yeah, sure. Let me ask you a question. a woman-owned business. Uh, would you be fine with them not wanting to hire men because they're men?

Marin CarreraNo. You you'd be okay with that? No, I I would not. No one should be hired no matter what on their credentials. But let me ask you this. So, like on their credentials, if if a man is more

Brian Atlasqualified than a woman, hire the man. Okay. So, just to be clear, you don't think that like a woman who's running a company and she wants to predominantly hire women and not hire men, you would be against that. you would say, "No, you

Brian Atlashave to hire men." Yeah. Okay. What if the woman had like she had negative uh experiences with men and she doesn't want to hire men because of that? That's emotional. I don't think that's something that is I mean, if that has

Kayn Mayhappened, I don't think that's correct. I mean, wouldn't you make the argument that a lot of women have had negative experiences with men? Yeah. But as in being sexually assaulted in the workplace, sure, it could be violent. It could be violence. It could be. I mean,

Kayn Mayas a business owner, and I am a woman business owner. Hiring a male in a in a forward- facing position would not be good for my business. I specialize in photography for married women who are

Kayn Maycreating private art for their husbands. So, I have had a male photo editor at one point, but he was into men. He wasn't the kind of guy who's going to jerk off to the lady's pictures. So, in

Kayn Maysome positions, men are not fit for the job, even though they would beg to do it because they want to see inside the doors of what happens behind the boot. That's a great point. I mean, most

Marin Carrerabusinesses who aren't dealing with women's naked photos, I think it doesn't matter the gender, and I think discriminating against anyone is not correct. However, if you're a budois

Marin Carreraphoto editor or someone who specializes in filming or editing naked women, it makes sense for a company to say, "I only want women." Why? Because the customer, who's the most important part of the business, might say, "I don't

Kayn Maywant a man looking at these photos." But in the adult industry, it's mostly men holding the camera and doing the editing, which is why the perspective that most porn is shot from is the male gays. Yeah. But like you said, your

Marin Carreracompany does photos of married women who want to take photos for their husbands. If those women say specifically, I'm paying for this service, and I don't want a man editing or looking at these

Marin Carreraphotos. I think it's totally valid to only hire women. However, in a normal like Wait, hold on. Sorry, we got a chat coming through. Donated 200. Uh, sorry for the delay on this, man. Sorry. You

TTS/Donationsrealize the USA is regarded as the greatest country to exist since the Roman Empire. built on the backs of men. Name one thing women are better at that

Brian Atlasboth genders can do with evidence. What do you think about like child care? It depends on the couple. But no, like a childare company and they discrimare

Brian Atlascompany. Yeah, like um I'm trying to think of an example. Like a daycare, would you be okay with them discriminated against discriminating against uh like having male daycare employees? No, they discriminate based on criminal record. And if you're in the

Kayn Mayadult industry, as in they don't think adult industry people should be babysitting kids at a daycare or if you have a violent criminal record, you have no place in a daycare. But their sex or gender of daycare people is irrelevant. Yeah. Men should not I'm not saying men

Marin Carrerashould be discriminated against for different positions. I'm just saying like look at everyone and a lot of companies are because of the way that the world has been set up. A lot of companies are controlled by men and so

Marin Carreraslowly but surely the line goes down and women are more and more discriminated against in the workplace because of the way that those companies have started. I'm not starting to say that like in the 1800s when these companies were started

Marin Carreralike Wells Fargo or whatever that it makes sense for like I'm like not saying that it's bad that a man runs that company. I'm saying that it's bad if that man has a history of

Brian Atlasdiscriminating. But okay, I'd still like to get an answer on this. the wage gap. Explain precisely what the wage gap is. That women get paid less than men for the same job in a lot of different

Natalia Starcompanies. I also think women are afraid to ask for more money and there's a lot of a lot of women are afraid to ask for more money and they have a lot of like issues with that and men are not afraid

Natalia Starof that. Men will ask hey I need this this and that and woman is very much not like that. So the men take advantage of that also. But so what I'm asking though is when we're looking at the wage gap,

Brian Atlaswhen you hear these numbers, what specifically is it looking at? What do you mean? So are you comparing all the money that women make in the country? No. Versus all the money that the men make in the country looking at

Marin Carrerathat. So what specifically are you saying it's controlled? No. I'm saying in a lot of different jobs, might not be this one. It might not be other jobs in

Marin CarreraLA specifically, but in a lot of jobs, if I applied for a job and a male counterpart of mine applied for a job, a male would be offered more money or

Marin Carreragiven more money for a very similar job because he's a man. And even if you haven't seen that your very self in this industry that you work in, it is still a

Brian Atlasthing in a lot of industries. Well, my industry that I work in, I can talk broadly about the entertainment industry. You live in Los Angeles, for example, there's been actually hiring uh

Brian Atlaspractices where they're actually exclud excluding the hiring of white people and white men specifically and men specifically. There's a massive amounts of affirmative action in the

Brian Atlasentertainment industry. So, this idea that there's like and it's not just affirmative action in the entertainment industry. We see this in all industries. Women predominate in HR and women are

Brian Atlasoverwhelmingly the one who are making hiring decisions at these companies. I would just I guess what I'm trying to get to what the wage gap is. So the wage gap doesn't the the one that's often

Brian Atlascited 72 cents, 82 cents, 84 cents, who knows? It's always changing is it's looking at the full-time earnings of all women and comparing it to the full-time earnings of all men. It doesn't account

Brian Atlasfor hours worked. It doesn't account for overtime. It doesn't account for commute time. It doesn't account for uh hazard pay. It doesn't account for the type of job. It doesn't count for like a dozen

Brian Atlasdifferent metrics. It's just simply comparing the money that women make to the money that men make. And so, if it was the case that men work more, for example, which they do, men work more hours than women, you start to see it

Brian Atlasshrink. And then if you start looking at specific industries and you compare like for like, it shrinks more. You'd agree with me that men and women pursue different things when it comes to

Brian Atlascollege, education, academia, and career. But do you know why? Choice. No. Yes. It's absolutely choice. Women have any choice that they can pursue. You

Brian Atlashave you have a tax attorney, a corporate attorney on the panel. Okay. She's not relegated to being a secretary. I'm not saying that. And she's also an immigrant, too.

LynnShe's an immigrant and a woman and a I would you consider her a person of color? Yeah, this one I would agree that it's really your personal pursuit whether you want to stick with your dream and uh I don't personally think

Lynnthere's like a significant wage gap. I can only speak to my own industry that I have compared salaries with my um colleagues of course we all no matter like men or women we all started pretty much similar salary. I think the only

Lynnwage gap that could happen later on was because um of course women they have childbearing responsibility, they have child care responsibilities because usually I have to say the women have to

Lynnmake more sacrifices in the early stage uh after the child is born. So they have to take a lot more time off to take care of the child and maybe have to make difficult career decision to step back

Lynnfrom um promotion opportunities. But um but I think from from the um starting point, I think we are pretty equal in terms of my industry. However, would you

Lynnagree that more women since birth are pushed to being things that make less money than men? I think that's more a personal choice. Like some women they may choose to step back and take a more

Lynnum to have more work life balance to take care of their family. So that's why they will go into like HR and um secretary jobs. And of course, women who are more who choose to be more ambitious and career oriented, they may take on

Lynnsome more difficult jobs like becoming a doctor or lawyer or some other leadership position. Have you only lived in Los Angeles? I have actually lived in

LynnChina in Canada and Europe and US. Okay. So, lots of liberal areas. Uh I wouldn't say so because um Canada, Europe, I wouldn't say China. I mean I mean

LynnAmericans American government has been always saying there's so much propaganda like going on in China. So I wouldn't say China is like liberal and actually a lot of uh Americans think China is very

Marin Carrerabehind on liberal issues of course. So but I mean in the in like the states and like whatever have you only lived in LA

Lynnand what did you say? um LA and DC, but I don't think your political opinions or your personal values are affected by like where you are geographically

Marin Carreralocated. Well, I know plenty of people who grew up in like more conservative areas, smaller towns, southern towns who would say that since birth they have

Marin Carrerabeen pushed towards more idealistic feminist feminism gender roles where like they

Kayn Maywere told to be more girly and to not apply themselves to more male. As in like the parents who tell their daughters just to go to college so they can find a husband. Exactly. As in, so

Kayn Maymy mother's father, who is a World War II that was in the Navy, he sent all of his daughters to college so they could go find husbands. Now, that is still a thing. There's also

Kayn Maygenerational like I'm from a town where there's women who are generationally having babies to live off of welfare and that is something that was like their mother raised them that way and they think that they just need to get knocked

Kayn Mayup. They don't need to be with the man so they get the government benefits. there are problems with the United States. So I think sometimes immigrants have a better attitude coming into the US and they honestly feel like the world is their oyster. Whereas when you're

Kayn Mayborn whether I think your economic or financial situation makes a big difference totally on the type of opportunities or fair wages that you get. I think a lot of women barely graduate high school already have kids.

Kayn MayThere was a daycare in the high school in the city that I went to. I mean those women never got to figure out who they were or wanted to be. They're already mothers of two and they're dealing with that now. They're 30 messages or 35

Kayn Maymessaging me on Facebook saying, "Your life looks like so much fun cuz I'm single, haven't had kids, no divorces." On paper, I'm like total wifey material. Something people say to me is like, "It's not fair that you're talking about

Marin Carrerathese issues when you don't have these issues." I'm very lucky to be grow I grew up in Los Angeles, California. Very liberal. I grew up with very liberal parents. I'm not poor. I have a good

Marin Carreralife. I went to a good liberal high school and I go to a college. You know, I have so many wonderful rights. But when you look at the entire United

Marin CarreraStates, if you look at the poor little states, poor little cities in Alabama, South Carolina, like all red states that states, if you look at the same thing,

Kayn Mayif you look at the small cities in little states that have issues, I grew up very close to the Amish country, Virginville, Blue Ball,

Kayn MayIntercourse, Pennsylvania. Those even p Yeah, Pennsylvania. Amish country. There is um all sorts of things happening and men who are told they have to marry a woman and there's a lot of arranged marriage but these guys are actually on

Kayn MayGrinder. Exactly. You know, I I drove through the town w with my friend who prefers men and he got on the app and he couldn't believe all these hot farmer boys that are popping up. I'm sorry. What does this have to do with the wage gap? But so back to this where you are

Kayn Maywhere you are and it depends how you're raised with the wage gap. But like cuz you're certainly not talking about entry- level positions like a Domino's Pizza hires people at minimum wage no matter if you're a lady or a man or like in Los Angeles the wage gap is way less

Brian Atlaslikely to be found. Well, actually in major cities if you look at single childless women between the ages of 18 to 29 in most like metro uh city areas they actually

Brian Atlasoutn but I guess when it comes to the wage gap uh there there is an earnings gap. So the earnings gap is you're not looking at factors like hours worked. You're not looking at job. You're just

Brian Atlasliterally comparing the money that men make and the money that women make. There's an earnings gap. The question you need to ask yourself is not not whether it exists, but why it exists. You would probably say it's due to

Brian Atlassexism and patriarchy and misogyny and all this stuff. I don't think it has anything to do with sexism really. So what does it has to do? Well, you know what? I'll actually make the argument it does have to do with sexism. It has to do with women's sexism such as Sure.

Brian AtlasI'll give you a couple example. Would you say that people who are motivated are more likely to earn more money? Yeah. Okay. Would you say that uh people

Brian Atlaswho have a desire for status are more likely to earn more money? Yeah. When it comes to dating, it is a dating podcast after all. Um, right. I don't know if your own preferences are

Brian Atlasgoing to align with this. Would you say that men or women are more likely to prefer a higher earning partner? I don't know. You don't know? No. Okay. What about status? Do you think men or women

Marin Carreraprefer uh have a preference for status in a partner? I don't know. You know, I think men prefer women of lower status so that they can be more

Brian Atlasdominating in their relationship. Men often fear women who have more status or more money. I would dispute that. But I'll go ahead for the sake of conversation, for the sake of argument,

Marin CarreraI'll go ahead and grant that. Is that your actual world view? I would say because of and not because of my views or because of their views because of the way that the US has been

Marin Carrerashaped with men being on top. Not a bad thing. It just happened that way because of the way that we evolved or whatever. What do you when you say evolved, what do you mean? Are you saying there's like

Marin Carreranatural evolutionary because reasons were So if we go all the way back to like the start of evolution, Sure. Women were known to stay more at the home or

Brian Atlasthe little hut or whatever to take care of the cave, right? To take care of the children and the crops and the society. One question. One question really quick. One question. Wait, wait. I swear I'll let you finish. I just got one quick

Brian Atlasquestion. Back in the hut days, the cave days, were there airond conditioned office jobs? No. Okay, go ahead. Continue. Women were more likely to stay home because they were more valuable.

Marin CarreraMen can impregnate multiple women. Women can't be pregnant with multiple people at once. So men were chosen. Women were more valuable back in Men were Yep. Men were chosen to go out and hunt because

Brian Atlasif one of them dies in the hunt, it's not as irreparable damage as if a woman died. Wait, so women even historically speaking, were more valued than men? Wouldn't that totally contradict Can I

Marin Carrerasay everything you've been saying? slowly because slowly as men realized that they could leverage the fact that they went out and quote unquote provided. Can I just say one thing?

Marin CarreraThere would be no men without women. So like we birth, okay, there would be no women without men. There would be no food source without men. But well, women could potentially go hunt, but men would

Marin Carrerasay, but women needed a protein. men would say, "I'm we're going to go hunt because if three out of 10 men die, it's way better for the society." And is that your view? No. That's the Are you saying

Marin Carreramen are disposable? Just No. Well, you just said it's better if men die. In the olden days when there was no anything that was happening and it was just like

Marin Carreracaves and animals and fire. Yes. Society. It made more sense for men to go hunt. If one man died, you could

Brian Atlasstill keep the society alive. Was the patriarchy stronger back then or does the patriarchy stronger now? The patriarchy is stronger now. The Wait, the Hold on. The patriarchy is stronger

Brian Atlasnow of men thinking that they're greater than women and believing that they're more in charge of women. What does that have to do with patriarchy? That is the patriarchy. Men controlling more of what's going on. Wait, so today when

Marin Carrerawomen have the right to vote, the patriarchy is stronger. Well, there was no voting back then. So, well, there was a per there was a period of time where more men had the right to vote. Well,

Marin Carreraright when voting started was when the men of the very p like primal societies started being like,

Marin Carrera"Wait, we're hunting. We're stronger and we can control you." And slowly women started being pushed aside and being

Marin Carreratold you're only allowed women religion emerged and men created a rhetoric that they were more valuable than women. And even if that's not a value that's today

Marin Carreralike men aren't really allowed to say like men are better than women at this stage of life. It was a big thing back then. I actually I reject the premise but that men thought they were better

Brian Atlasthen back then in the 1600s. Yeah. I mean look I'm not a Christian apologist but uh my understanding of Christianity my Christianity hold on let me finish. My understanding of Christianity is that

Brian Atlasthere's a there was a complimentarian view in so far as uh men and women were different but in terms of uh your value as a human being you uh your your value

Brian Atlasuh there's a specific term that I'll have to look up there is actual equality between men and women in terms of your val your life value but in terms of differences of course there's differences between men and women and

Brian Atlasyou would agree because you said that men are stronger than women and men were sent out to be disposable and if they died, not a big deal. So, wouldn't you actually wouldn't you have to then make the argument that actually if women were

Brian Atlasmore valued in society by by the means of protection, you said, "Well, we're going to keep the women safe, they don't have to go out and do the dangerous, dirty activities, hunting for example."

Marin CarreraWouldn't this actually be evidence of like valuing women over men? Yeah. Okay. However, I said slowly that started to shift because as different inventions

Marin Carrerapopped up and religion popped up and cities popped up, men who were quote unquote stronger and who created this whole rhetoric of like women need to

Marin Carrerastay home started evolving and excluding women from that started becoming like philosophers and people who created religion and people who created jobs.

Marin CarreraThose were all men. Okay. And slowly they pushed women down because you know it's human it's human to want to be better than it's human to want to win.

Marin CarreraIt's it's survival. However, these men started just valuing women as objects. Let me ask you a question with our next like put down on the floor like you know

Natalia Starlike they the way society worked women were on the bottom like with their life put down and men were just running. I mean, this is just fundamentally untrue.

Brian AtlasHow you Okay, you guys are committing an apex fallacy. You're looking at a very small proportion of men and saying like, do you genuinely think in like feudal Europe that that all the men because

Brian Atlasthey were men had like fantastic lives and men just loved it and all men had power. The reality is I never said that 0.001% of men had any sort of power.

Brian AtlasThere were some women who had some power. And then if you look at the vast majority of everybody, they had no power whatsoever. Both men and women were oppressed. And you can make convincing

Brian Atlasarguments that actually men had it worse in many ways. In what ways? Historically and modern day. In what ways? Yeah, sure. So men were uh were basically worker slaves, worker bees. They worked

Brian Atlaslike extremely dangerous physically. Who made them do that? How did that matter? That sounds like victim blaming. That sounds like victim blaming to me. It's a question of who would What does it have to do if they're men or not? I

Marin Carreracould just make the I could just go to socioeconomic or class. I could just be like, it's the rich people. Why? What does it matter if it's men? There's only there's only two sexes. Because even though we can't prove it, and that's why this argument is so You can't prove it.

Marin CarreraOkay. Argument one. Listen to me though. Are you going to listen? Go ahead. Even though we can't prove it, men have been in the front lines of almost everything that has really gone wrong in the world.

Brian AtlasAnd women have not been there. And so women have always been there through proxy men proxy of men controlling their lives. No. No. How so? You You're making the claim you have to present the

Marin Carreraevidence that the men were controlling their lives. Every queen had a king and the king was the ruler. She could get beat to death if she argued with him.

Brian AtlasYou know what I mean? Hold. Okay. First off, the if a king if he marries a woman, she becomes the queen, but he is the number one in power. Exactly. But a

Brian Atlasqueen, she doesn't elevate like if she gets married, she doesn't elevate that guy. He doesn't become king. He becomes queen consort. So it's not like if the woman who was queen gets

Brian Atlasmarried that the man she's married to all of a sudden has like any sort of predomination in the relationship. Father, she has a father. Yeah. women

Brian Atlastraded as woman. No, if she's the queen, the father's dead. Her father would have been the would have been the king. And then the father is presum that taught her everything she knew. And that father

Brian Atlaswould have also taught his sons in the same way. Are you talking about like and when I use this word, I don't mean it in the way most people take it. You're talking about like grooming royalty, like grooming for leadership. Yes. That's exactly what happens. Yes. But

Lynnboth sons and daughters were groomed into leadership positions. Totally different ways. No, it was exactly the same. But okay. Okay. Can I ask you a question? So, uh, what do you like about your boyfriend? I

Lynnbelieve you're in a relationship, right? If you believe that women are better in many aspects. So, do you believe that you're better than your boyfriend in almost every single aspect? you know,

Marin Carreratalking about like a very small like one- on-one ideal maybe, but you know, not in a I acknowledge I acknowledge that in many

Marin Carreraways, you know, in some of the arguments we have or whatever, I tend to be a little bit more forgiving than he is. I

Marin Carreratend to be a little less emotional than he is. However, because he's a he's a really great person and he has been taught he has like eight sisters. He's

Kayn Maybeen taught he says all the time like I am the way I am because I've was raised by so many women. So question, do you feel like you have a more masculine role in the relationship seeing as he moved in with you which would typically be

Marin Carrerasomething like the girl would do with the guy? You know, no because I do acknowledge him as the masculine part. However, you know, if you're talking about dominant like like do you wear the pants in the family in a relationship?

Marin CarreraDo you do you handle the finances? Do you technically? Yes. But I enjoy I enjoy him being But would you say that's a non-traditional relationship? Yeah. So, I think there's nothing wrong with

Marin Carrerahaving views and I feel like her relationship kind of mirrors her views like Yeah. And she has a submissive boyfriend. She knows what I believe in. We have debates every once in a while. like we're very open with talking with

Lynneach other about this stuff and you know he's very comfortable with who I am and I'm comfortable with who he is. So you think he'll give you a round of applause by listening to this? Hell yes he will.

Marin CarreraHe listened to my whole Charlie Kirk thing. He said he was on my side. He was Do you think Never mind. Okay. Do I think what said he was just saying that to get in my pants. How did you come to

Brian Atlasthat conclusion? I was putting the look in your eyes. the look in my eyes like you wanted to instigate here. Hold on. Here was the I I think I said was it because like that was the extent of the sentence. How did you gather? That's the

Brian Atlasonly thing I could think that you I just want to finish my point on the wage gap because I was pointing out how it's actually the wage gap could actually be uh due to sexism but due to women's sexism such as how do you want a guy to

Marin Carrerapay for the first date? I don't care. You don't care. I'll offer. Uh on the first date with your current boyfriend, did he pay for the date? I don't know. I think we split it. Does he ever pay for dates? Yeah. Okay. He asks all the time.

Marin CarreraSometimes I'll sneak off and like force him to pay. Sounds like he I mean I'll force myself to pay. Like I'll sneak off be like I'm going to the bathroom and then I'll like slip my card. Let's hear from the rest of the panel. Uh yes. Do you want a guy to pay for the first

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