Did She CHEAT?! Men Make ZERO Effort?! They DEMAND Trad Men BUT Are THEY Trad?! | Dating Talk #217
Date: 2024-12-02
Duration: 9h 44m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_04TTS Voice(audience)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_12Alexis(guest)
SPEAKER_13Female Panel (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_14Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:05:03
QuoteMadison says she hooks up with Rogue's polyamorous boyfriend: 'I play with Madison's husband all the time and it's different than when I play with my own partner'
“I play with Madison's husband all the time”
00:23:59
QuoteSienna/Rogue defends OnlyFans economics: 'You could get so much for $200 on OnlyFans' (in response to $200 TTS saying 'delete your OF accounts')
“you donated $200 just to say that and like you could get so much for $200 on off”
00:39:43
ControversyAndrew Wilson cites 2011 study: gonorrhea rates among adult performers are 64x higher than general population and 18x higher than LA County residents aged 18-29
“just as of 2011 just to just to tell you um the studies found that goria rates alone were 64 times higher than the general population and 18 18 times higher than Los Angeles County”
01:14:17
Key MomentBrian presents the 'McDonald's vs five-star restaurant' analogy for sex: men who just want casual sex from women take them to five-star restaurants, while men who truly like a woman go 50/50, paralleling women making relationship men wait while sleeping quickly with hookups
“all the exes all the the guy all his exes uh got five star meals but uh and no change in financial status uh she gets McDonald's”
01:45:59
QuoteAndrew Wilson: 'You can't unsuck a dick' — on the irreversibility of high body count and its effect on male attraction
“there's an old proverb um you can't unsuck a dick right”
01:52:09
QuoteBrian Atlas: 'Men are not vending machines in a similar way where you put sex tokens into and you get a relationship out of them'
“men are not vending machines in a similar way where you put sex tokens into and you get a relationship out of them”
02:28:03
OtherSelf-ratings round: Rogue 7-8, Maya 9, Sienna 3.5 (very candid about weight), Kiki 7, Melissa 10 (banter about non-corrective glasses), Madison 8 (7.5-8), Giana 9, Andrew 10
02:28:37
QuoteSienna rates herself 3.5: 'I truly believe I am a 3.5 and I have had um sexual relations with someone that was um more attractive and that doesn't inflate my ego'
“I believe I am a 3.5 and I have had um sexual relations with with someone that was um you know I guess what would you say out of do they say out of your league”
03:26:03
Key MomentBrian pulls up his ex-girlfriend's bow video — she greets him with food and performs a deep bow. Extended panel reaction; Brian explains he trained her to bow deeper over time.
“this was after a long I took this video was after a long day at the podcast Studio my expectation is like she has to hit a bow”
03:42:50
ControversyAndrew Wilson presents the chivalry-virtue exchange argument: 'If you expect the code of chivalry — why in the hell should any man ever extend that if there's no chastity and virtue in exchange?'
“if there's not the Chastity and the Purity and The Virtue aspect for women why in the hell should any man ever ever in a million years extend the code of chivalry”
04:13:51
QuoteBrian on the office clip analogy: 'Lead me — lead me when I'm in the mood to be led' — describing women wanting leadership from men but only conditionally
“Lead Me lead me when I'm in the mood to be led”
04:52:27
Key MomentBrian shows video of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him when he comes home — 'bow boom, huge bow'
“bow boom huge bow you see that look at the bow look at the depth”
06:35:00
ControversyRacism/white privilege debate: Andrew argues that systems which say minority groups can't be racist toward white people create their own systemic problem. Cites Barbary slave trade of Europeans, Irish oppression, Italian oppression.
07:56:23
QuoteBrian reveals his BLM (Big Labia Matter) Instagram post was mistaken for Black Lives Matter by a girl he was about to date — she cancelled the date thinking he hadn't posted a black square
“she thought it was black Liv matter but it was the big laia thing”
08:21:45
QuoteBrian reveals his father was born in Algeria, North Africa — making him 'technically African-American.' Extended banter with panel about this.
“my dad was born in North Africa in uh Algeria technically I'm African-American”
09:39:53
OtherGiana performs a spider/backbend contortion move on the floor at the end of the show — panel is amazed. She is a trained contortionist (mother is gymnastics teacher).
“okay okay make sure you can or you want me to move this huh go okay you're good wait you're doing it”
Topics Discussed
00:02:23
Guest Introductions
Brian introduces panel and each guest states their name, age, location, occupation, and relationship status in turn. Rogue (32, Reno, OnlyFans/pole/radiology), Maya (24, CA/Michigan, OnlyFans), Sienna (21, Torrance, student), Kiki (20, LA, digital marketing student), Melissa (23, LA, social media), Madison (35, SF, married/OnlyFans/Pilates), Alexis (23, LA, flight attendant/bartender), Giana (18, LA, model).
00:06:20
Relationship Status Round
Panel discusses current and past relationships. Rogue is polyamorous with 4-year boyfriend. Maya single 2 years. Sienna single 3 weeks (just ended 2.5yr relationship with fentanyl addict). Kiki in new 1-month relationship from LA Fashion Week. Melissa single 1 month. Madison married 17 years (high school sweethearts, swingers). Alexis single 1 month (4yr relationship ended). Giana single 3 years.
00:25:00
OnlyFans and Sex Work Debate
Extended debate between Andrew Wilson and Madison/Rogue about whether OnlyFans/sex work is harmful to society. Andrew argues it's harmful based on STD rates, trafficking, degradation of marriage values. Madison and Rogue defend it. Discussion of STD testing in the industry vs. general population, sampling bias in studies. Andrew cites 2011 gonorrhea study showing 64x higher rates among performers.
00:51:40
Domestic Violence and Divorce History
Panel discusses whether low historical divorce rates masked higher domestic violence. Andrew argues battery was always illegal. Madison argues many women were trapped and unreported. Debate over falsifiability of 'it was just underreported' arguments.
00:58:20
When Women Have Sex: Fast vs. Slow
Long discussion about women having sex quickly with casual hookups but making 'relationship material' men wait. Brian presents the analogy of men paying more for dates for casual encounters but less (going 50/50) for women they actually like. Panel largely acknowledges the pattern. Andrew draws parallel to make Brian's point. Madison defends her first-night hookup that led to 17 years.
01:14:10
Vasodepression/Oxytocin and Hookup Science
Discussion of oxytocin (bonding hormone in women after sex) and vasodepression in men (buildup creating chase drive, release causing post-nut clarity). Guest argues this explains why making men wait can increase their interest.
01:56:40
Body Count and Virgin Preference
Long debate about whether high body count decreases women's relationship prospects. Andrew argues it limits the pool of quality men. Rogue argues polyamorous Chad wouldn't care. Discussion of whether men prefer virgins, loyalty threshold theory, and whether women are sabotaging themselves by advocating for promiscuity.
02:48:20
Self-Ratings Round
Guests rate their physical appearance 1-10. Rogue: 7-8. Maya: 9. Sienna: 3.5 (very honest, says she needs to lose weight). Kiki: 7 (17 is her favorite number). Melissa: 10 (causes extended banter; Brian removes her non-corrective glasses). Madison: 8 (7.5-8). Giana: 9 (gave 9 last time too). Andrew: 10. Brian teases everyone.
03:10:00
Age Photo Reaction
Brian pulls up old photos of panel members and has guests react/rate them. Extended banter about looking different without glasses.
03:19:00
MGK Fan Groping Video
Panel reacts to viral video of a married woman groping Machine Gun Kelly at a meet-and-greet while her husband watches. Debate about whether the husband was a 'cuck,' whether the hug was inappropriate, and whether she would sleep with MGK if given a pass. Panel is largely critical of the woman's behavior.
03:48:20
Courting Standards and Chivalry
Kiki raises topic of men not wanting to put in effort (not picking girls up, not planning dates). Extended debate about whether chivalry is dead and why. Andrew argues chivalry was tied to female chastity/virtue — if women aren't virtuous, why should men be chivalrous? Discussion of whether women should take husband's last name, who should pay on first date, submissiveness in relationships, traditional gender roles.
04:08:20
Traditional Gender Roles and Submission Debate
Extended debate spanning multiple hours about whether women should be submissive in relationships, whether traditional roles are valid, and hypocrisy of wanting traditional male behavior without reciprocal female behavior. Andrew presents argument that virtue is non-transactional. Brian creates 'The Office' clip analogy about wanting to be led only when in the mood.
04:41:40
DEI and Women in the Workforce
Debate about whether DEI initiatives are justified, whether women were historically oppressed in education, and whether women gravitate toward the same occupations as 200 years ago. Andrew cites Nordic Nations and Jordan Peterson on gender roles. Discussion of female architects designing more functional houses.
04:58:20
Dating Apps vs Meeting in Person
Sienna asks where to meet high-quality men outside of apps. Brian advises approaching in person (campus, activities). Discussion of social anxiety and how being fit helps. Sienna is candid about being overweight and needing to work on herself first.
06:15:00
Can You Be Racist Toward White People
Extended debate about the definition of racism. Alexis argues you cannot be racist toward white people (racism = prejudice + power). Brian presents Barack Obama hypothetical and Obama refusing to hire white janitor. Andrew challenges 'prejudice + power' definition using various examples including the Barbary slave trade. Various guests weigh in.
06:35:00
White Privilege and Systemic Racism
Continuation of racism debate. White privilege discussion — whether it's universal or only applicable to specific white groups (Irish, Italians, etc. weren't considered 'white'). Sienna (half Middle Eastern/El Salvadorian) discusses her perspective. Andrew argues that systems which say certain groups can't be racist create a systemic problem themselves.
08:06:40
Roast Session and Wrap-Up
Chat TTS donations come in roasting the panel. Discussion of Amber Heard's mathematical beauty, Elon Musk as potential date, McKenzie Scott. Brian admits his dad is from Algeria (North Africa) making him technically 'African-American.' Giana performs contortion backbend demo. Final TTS reads and show wrap-up.
Transcript
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06:40:21
Brian Atlassystemic power too because the executive branch of the United States government is a system in fact the United States is the most powerful country in the world uh the executive branch like he's he's
06:40:31
Brian Atlasthe big honcho he's the boss so using this definition would Barack Obama be racist in this situ in this example I don't
06:40:43
Brian Atlasthink so you but I'm literally you said okay so does he have power he does have power does he have systemic
06:40:50
Brian Atlaspower yeah right okay is he Prejudice mhm okay I'm literally meeting
06:40:58
Brian Atlasyour definition which is racism equals Prejudice plus power why aren't you just
06:41:09
Brian Atlasconceding you just can't say it is it oh never mind I shouldn't um I don't understand I'm literally where's I'm literally using your
06:41:20
Brian Atlasdefinition okay that's fine you can have your view I have mine it's no I'm using your view my view is that racism is there has to be no component of power for you to be racist are you just discussing like the
06:41:33
Female Panel (mixed)lack of trauma that like white people have racially and like yeah how's that relevant well how would that be relevant I mean i' I'd rather just have where yeah I'd rather hear her
06:41:43
Female Panel (mixed)opinion yeah sure okay let's hear it okay well my opinion is that this country isn't doesn't it prioritizes white people and it always has and white people always just have the upper hand
06:41:56
Andrew Wilsoninherently well it's only prioritized some white people to some white people which white people yeah some white people like for instance it didn't prioritize the Irish didn't prioritize the Italians it didn't prioritize anybody from Norway who were
06:42:09
Andrew Wilsonconsidered to be lesser almost all the Nordic Nations all Eastern block Nations it didn't prioritize any of them it basically only prioritized the English and the French but do they do they experience racial Injustice based on the color of their SK they most definitely
06:42:24
Andrew Wilsondid yeah the the injustices which were against the Irish were absolutely incredible same thing against the Italians uh say well actually
06:42:33
Andrew Wilsonessentially all all non French and British people the injustices against them from the French and British who were here were I mean insane I mean they
06:42:44
Andrew Wilsonwere they weren't even considered white in fact they W they didn't even consider them to be whites M okay so I'm just kind of pointing out
06:42:54
Andrew Wilsonthat um if you say Well it it all is is just applicable to white people it's like uh well integration with whites really never actually fully was realized
06:43:06
Andrew Wilsonso I mean that's why you still see um kind of like these ethnic Pride groups who who celebrate um in certain demographics Irish history they have Irish pubs they have Italian sectors
06:43:18
Andrew WilsonItalian quarters it was NE there was never a full integration uh even in uh in what you would consider White Society by whites like that that just never really completely was realized and still isn't
06:43:30
Female Panel (mixed)to this day so I have a question for you in today's society do you think you have white privilege no no not at all no no what's the what's the privilege um well
06:43:42
Andrew Wilsonmaybe not being in fear for your life when you're being pulled over by police officers or if you're what about being in fear for your life if you're going through a predominantly minority neighborhood who play knockout games
06:43:52
Female Panel (mixed)with white people that doesn't sound like much of a privilege where is that well also as an Asian-American this should be there are still sun down towns there's still places where black people brown people can't go because of racism
06:44:04
Andrew Wilsonyeah and there's lots and lots of places where it's not safe for white people to go where there's a heavy minority set too so so like you saying that but it's not systematic well hey hey wait a
06:44:16
Andrew Wilsonsecond this is some privilege that you have it's like okay but the counter to this is but if I go to a lot of these neighborhoods I will be uh targeted in attack based on the color of my skin but
06:44:28
Female Panel (mixed)it's how's that a privilege not systematic just like she said no systematically yes yes it's not how is that systematically that is a person that is a one that is a group of people a small group of people that like when
06:44:41
Andrew Wilsonyou say systematically you would have to show me the system demonstrate for me any system so which which is only tailored towards white people and against minorities well I think we were kind of discussing like even the jail
06:44:54
Brian Atlassystem and how she was mentioning now obviously no I'm well I I do want to Gage engage on that really quick so you mentioned being in fear of your life when you're getting pulled over so some
06:45:07
Brian Atlaspeople do have that experience majority black so what if I were to tell you that like using the same metric of like the fear or the the actual um the actual
06:45:16
Brian Atlasoutcome when it comes to police encounters that the discrepancy between men and women when it comes to police encounters is something like Eightfold
06:45:27
Brian Atlasgreater than the discrepancy between um between whites and blacks sorry so is this evidence that the police force is systematically sexist
06:45:39
Brian Atlasagainst men potentially so here's another stat there are more white men killed by police officers than women of all Races combined including black women including
06:45:51
Brian AtlasHispanic women is this evidence that the police force is systematically sexist against to men don't men commit more crimes though yeah yeah you sure you sure you want to make this argument I
06:46:03
Female Panel (mixed)mean I'm not sure remember that if you're making the argument you sure you want to make that argument I I am just okay is there a racial group that commits more crimes white people I'm I would I'm not sure I'm just saying don't
06:46:14
Female Panel (mixed)I mean you you got to follow your logic to the to its end conclusion mhm there wasn't can I okay I'm obviously white and I'm only kind of just learning about this topic um but there's also incentive back in the day especially there was
06:46:26
Female Panel (mixed)incentive after like slaves were liberated in America there was incentive to imprison them because that's then free manual labor so then now Contin like continuing in our country like maybe not definitely not to the degree
06:46:37
Female Panel (mixed)that it was back in the day currently but there is incentive for imprison nating more people especially people that were imprison nating more people that do Free Labor like there were more like black people imprisoned that do
06:46:48
Female Panel (mixed)free labor in prison and like build you know things and do things of that nature and then because of this now they're now labeled as like um what's the word uh they like like a federal offense like what's the felony Fon I'm not sure you
06:47:01
Female Panel (mixed)have the requisite knowledge on this topic I I admitted that the second I started but just to pose a topic we were also discussing this in class I'm currently taking history class once again I am white I don't really know what I'm talking about but then also
06:47:12
Female Panel (mixed)once you're a felon you can't youting huh imprison nating mhm that you can get manual labor out of imprison nating people and that was kind of like
06:47:24
Female Panel (mixed)especially I'm like I said not as much today but but this was equally applied to White prisoners too so I'm not sure yeah but there's more there a I'm not saying like I'm not saying like
06:47:35
Female Panel (mixed)allop cops are bad am czy is imprison a word it is now I've literally never it's a word language
06:47:45
Female Panel (mixed)isting it's a word imperson I could be wrong but also I'm just saying incarcerating I think incarcerating I guess look we've been here a long time
06:47:55
Brian Atlasthe words get jumed y so yeah I mean again though I mean you're saying that this rate when it comes to Poli these encounters it's way higher in the black
06:48:04
Brian Atlascommunity but like we could just kind of shift this over to okay well it's way higher between men versus women do you have anything to say for that so would that be female privilege
06:48:16
Brian Atlasthen yeah or can you just not concede on any point you just got to be like ah women are oppressed and white people are the oppressor and men are the oppressor and
06:48:28
Andrew Wilsonthere's uh White Privilege and male privilege I think there's privilege for both of the sex hang on Brian there's disproportionate rates of of imprison ating people bro it's like you know you
06:48:40
Brian Atlasknow how it goes lots of imprison going on but again I I guess I'll do one more hypothetical and we'll move on to the next thing but um I I guess I'm trying to figure out one scenario in which
06:48:51
Brian Atlasracism can be towards white people um what about if there was a uh I guess even using your definition
06:48:59
Brian Atlashere um there was an all black uh publicly traded company and they refused to hire white
06:49:10
Brian Atlaspeople would that be racism no but I think that's wrong would it be racism if it was like all white uh a company like the board of directors all white they just refused company
06:49:22
Brian Atlaspolicy to refuse to hire black people would that be racist yes yeah but I'm confused here okay so like who has more power like I'm going to switch the like
06:49:31
Brian Atlasso let's go over to ISM so like you have you have the uh you have the oh my God
06:49:40
Brian Atlassorry guys this [ __ ] um who has more power the Bourgeois or the proletariat oh my God sorry this is such a dumb argument it it is uh no but okay so
06:49:52
Brian Atlasyou're discussing affirmative action I'm not discussing affirmative action so um okay what you were hitting on so do you think like the work who has more power like the people that control um sorry I
06:50:04
Backgrounddon't even know where I'm [ __ ] going with this it's like the dumbest [ __ ] communist [ __ ] ARG okay uh definely bis has it right the
06:50:15
Brian AtlasBourgeois or the proletarian the bis uh so okay so um who has the means of who has the power the people who control the means of
06:50:26
Brian Atlasproduction or like the the the lowely workers who are just like the laborers who has the power okay I'm trying to be
06:50:36
Andrew Wilsonintersectional here but okay um I think it's a little racist but like it's not a little I don't understand it's racist because of their skin color I think we're trying to head away from that in
06:50:47
Brian Atlasgeneral there's a threshold these things okay question how about this uh group of Hispanic men they beat up a white guy
06:50:57
Brian Atlasbecause he's white racist or just Prejudice Prejudice and [ __ ] up okay reverse group of white men beat up hispanic guy because uh they don't they don't like
06:51:09
Brian Atlasbecause he's think that stems from their racism okay how about this this is an interesting one a group of Asian people beat up uh a group of one white guy
06:51:20
Andrew Wilsonbecause he's white racist or Prejudice a group of Asians beat up one white guy Prejudice same thing what now to answer the the earlier question to this you asked me
06:51:33
Andrew Wilsonhow would that be systemic if you go to a neighborhood and people Target you for your skin and beat you up and you're white well this is how this is how it's systemic because if you teach people
06:51:44
Andrew Wilsonthat uh only one group or segmented group can be racist even if you do the exact same thing they're doing to you to you uh then you're creating a system in
06:51:55
Andrew Wilsonplace in which you make it okay for them to do those things because they're considered less heinous it's a privileged group that's how it's system well if the country wasn't built off the
06:52:06
Andrew Wilsonbacks of these minorities then well it wasn't built off your back no it wasn't and it wasn't built off anybody who's alive back right now everybody everybody
06:52:16
Andrew Wilsonwho was here at the foundation is dead all of them not a single one of them today's society obviously that's why H hang on hang on and the truth of the
06:52:25
Andrew Wilsonmatter is is that in modernity it I I would love to see you and anybody in fact point to examples of actual systems
06:52:35
Andrew Wilsonwhich are specifically targeting uh minorities at the behest of whites I've never I've I see no evidence for this in society anyway I just see a privileged class who says I can beat up white
06:52:48
Andrew Wilsonpeople because they're white and that's not racist but if they beat me up because I'm not white that is racist that creates a systemic uh problem which a system is upholding to create a uh
06:53:00
Brian Atlasracial hatred towards a group in this case whites do you do you think uh in the scenarios I described before should it be a hate crime
06:53:13
Female Panel (mixed)though yeah if you okay harm anybody based off the color of their skin that should be a hate crime should be a hate crime but it still wouldn't be racism So when you say like Prejudice versus
06:53:26
Brian Atlasracism is one worse than the other they're both equally they're both there's just a system place there's history okay so would you reject this
06:53:37
Brian Atlasdefinition uh racism Prejudice discrimination or antagonism by an individual Community or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular
06:53:47
Brian Atlasracial group or ethnic group you disagree with this definition then no key word is institution no it said or
06:53:56
Brian Atlasinstitution it's not and institution or institution okay the institution is not requisite because for example like if on an indivi can on an individual level you
06:54:08
Brian Atlasbe racist can a white man be racist on an individual level to a black person into the mic yeah yeah there's no institution
06:54:18
Female Panel (mixed)there it's an individual but it stems from the institution what institution the United States United States
06:54:30
Andrew Wilsongovernment h uh the United States government that was headed by black man that super racist government do you think America is like
06:54:40
Brian Atlasa white supremacist Nation I think white supremacists exist in our nation yeah I'm sure there's probably black supremacist too but do you think it's overall a white supremacist
06:54:51
Brian AtlasNation I don't know about overall okay you mean the country that elected a black man to president for two terms in a row
06:55:02
Female Panel (mixed)back in 2008 then that's great pretty racist country we're getting some progress um I think people just kind of they feel they they
06:55:13
Female Panel (mixed)vibrate off the echo of racism like it's like a reverberation throughout the generations and while I feel like we're doing better with getting rid of that it
06:55:24
Andrew Wilsonstill Echoes slightly through well then if that's the case then if the the idea is that they cast is that because there's an echo which happen happens due to the fact that there was some type of systemic oppression due to a group the
06:55:36
Andrew Wilsonwhites would be suffering the same exact thing as the barbery stage kidnapped and enslaved them in the early part of our history non-stop it was one of the most prolific and barbaric slave trades in the history of all of mankind so bad in
06:55:49
Andrew Wilsonfact that they had to mobilize the United States Navy in order to put them down with orders of Mark and reprisal so if this is the case that all you're looking at is the fact that heinous things can be done to a group and
06:56:01
Andrew Wilsonbecause of that they become oppressed systematically over time then you'd have to apply that equally to all groups I've never felt privileged in society just nobody gives a [ __ ] right nobody gives a [ __ ] if Brian says he doesn't feel
06:56:14
Andrew Wilsonprivileged in society nobody gives a [ __ ] they only give a [ __ ] when somebody who's not white says they don't feel privilege in society then suddenly people care it's interesting how all the other voices get drowned out though isn't it really quick I'm going to pull
06:56:27
Brian Atlasthis up then we're going to let some of the messages come through can you pull that up Damian uh so just Andrew referenced this the barbery slave trade involved the capture and selling of European slaves at slave markets in
06:56:38
Brian Atlaslargely independent Onan barbery States European slaves were captured by barbery pirates in slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns from Italy to Ireland in the South Southwest of
06:56:50
Brian AtlasBritain as far north as Iceland and into the Eastern Mediterranean do they have dates on this as late was uh as late as the 18th century so this uh this is post Americans
06:57:02
Andrew Wilsonis it this happened post American slavery Andrew yeah that is interesting um so yeah the well the same thing if you
06:57:13
Andrew Wilsonlook up the oppression towards the Irish which was uh which was heinous the oppression well essentially ENT the the founders really only considered this a nation for Western Europeans that's where they came from they came from
06:57:26
Andrew WilsonFrance they came from England they didn't really come from anywhere else this idea that that even if there was such thing as white privilege it would be Universal is insane even to this day people always forget about this all
06:57:38
Andrew Wilsonsorts of white groups Lo each other they hate each other's guts here in Michigan for instance the Dutch can't stand the Irish and the Irish can't stand the Dutch they can't they hate each other because one's Catholic and the other
06:57:49
Andrew Wilsonone's Protestant this this happens all over the US uh there's no different by the way than you'll see in Hispanic communities where Mexicans often will hate Puerto Ricans Puerto Ricans will
06:58:00
Andrew Wilsonoften hate Cubans ET etc etc etc it's not like this idea of universalism oh because you're white you benefit uh from the privilege of uh the fact that it was
06:58:12
Andrew WilsonFrench and Englishman it came here it's a way to group an identity together to attack it and it's always been that
06:58:21
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06:58:32
Brian Atlasthis bias against video games I make more than anyone at the table Cheetos are good and I'm tired of pretending they aren yo he's got another one coming in Gian I'm gonna have you read it once
06:58:44
Brian Atlasit comes in La paladins thank you for the TTS I really appreciate it man really good to see you in the chat what level are you man are you are you playing night Slayer I don't know what do they play goe it's okay to do bad things
06:58:56
Female Panel (mixed)against whites because they control the money supply and because of what they did in the past she literally quotes Hitler and doesn't even realize that she is
06:59:07
Brian Atlasliterally an O I mean her first name does start with a it is uh Alyssa I feel like it's a little too early in the conversation to invoke Godwin's
06:59:19
Brian Atlaslaw that was kind of hitleresque though do you have do you want to make a do you want to disavow being Hitler
06:59:27
Backgroundsorry sorry no wait no wa that's crazy bro she's like [ __ ] yeah
06:59:38
Female Panel (mixed)bro say what the play Erica Bri play Erica play Erica yeah can you pull up Erica here read this J get Erica going chair five do yourself a favor and look
06:59:48
Female Panel (mixed)up John casor and his case you're being lied to by your professors yo dragon's Talent thank you for the big Super Chat man really appreciate it you got Erica for us
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Brian Atlas[Music] okay you can pause it by the way it's World War I helmet not World War II so
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07:00:49
Brian AtlasGerman marching song from that predates the [ __ ] National Socialist okay um good talk uh we have no we're caught up on the chats okay I'm going to move it
07:01:00
Brian Atlason uh so a couple of of you sir uh Maya you said I don't know if we have time for the gender pay Gap conversation probably Brian I'm hitting
07:01:11
Andrew Wilsonat 3 I'm going to send a raid over this way ladies it was very nice to meet all of you I'm uh I'm 3 hours ahead over here on the East Coast um no hard feelings in the conversation never take any of it personally I'm always happy to
07:01:23
Brian Atlashave them and I appreciate you guys coming on the panel this evening than putting up with me all right I appreciate it have a good night Andrew we will uh carry on with the uh stream and we're going to get into some juicy
07:01:35
Brian Atlasstuff so The Crucible head on over guys appreciate it thank you thank you guys we got you all covered thank you thank you all right so uh we're going to skip over the gender wage Gap conversation uh there was a circle to
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Brian Atlaswomen are not oppressed in the USA Rogue you circled that Maya you circled that Alyssa you circled that Madison you circled that I should have Andrew stay
07:01:58
Female Panel (mixed)for the last part this last one here but uh so you guys think women are oppressed in the United States I think there's a level of Oppression I don't think it's as bad as a lot of other places but I feel like it's not
07:02:09
Brian Atlastotally you know equal okay um I don't have any comment just get me just skip me okay that's fair what
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Brian Atlasabout uh uh no key you did not Circle that uh Alyssa you circled women are not oppressed in the USA I think I agree with her stance that there are some form
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Madisonof Oppression sure okay and then Madison you too I also agree that there's some forms of Oppression I'm not saying overall in every way women are oppressed in some ways they have privileges men don't but they are oppressed in some ways including the gender pay gap which
07:02:42
Brian Atlasyou don't want to talk about I mean just for the sake of time we do have to skip over it but um can you guys just site to the ways in which women are
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Female Panel (mixed)oppressed um I would say I know pay I'm I'm going to skip over that um
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Female Panel (mixed)I would I would say that women are more confined to try to fit into a box and when women like myself try to not conform and try to be liberated in my
07:03:16
Female Panel (mixed)own way I get a lot of push back I feel like men want to constantly put women in the kitchen and I feel like that's the oppression they want to force us to do what they want us to do they want us to
07:03:28
Brian Atlassubmit and not all women want to how successful are they at that well they're getting less successful AR aren't you currently in a relationship with a man who has no expectations of that whatsoever yeah we're getting places yeah um I mean couldn't this just
07:03:41
Brian Atlasequally be applied to men like if for example if I'm a guy and I want to be a a stay-at-home house husband you you don't think I'm going to face social shame from
07:03:53
Brian Atlaswomen I don't think so much anymore maybe like 10 years ago yeah you think you think I'm going to have good luck on the in the dating field if I'm like yeah I don't really want to work you're going to work and I'm going to stay at home you think I'm going to like have good
07:04:05
Female Panel (mixed)success finding a wife I feel like you could but I mean it would be difficult sorry it would be generally more difficult you guys can never engage in like yeah I suppose it's possible I feel like you always want us to have the
07:04:17
Brian Atlasanswer you want you brought us on this podcast for our own valuable productive but it's just like not productive to be like okay let me always sight to the outlier when I'm
07:04:27
Brian Atlastrying to argue against you like I speak in generalities here like generally speaking like yes I might be able to find a woman who's willing to provide everything pay pay for me the whole
07:04:39
Brian Atlasthing on the first date let me stay at home and never have to work a day again it's it's possible is it probable I mean I guess the majority of women know but I don't see a problem with
07:04:49
Brian Atlasit I don't I don't see a problem with it I think okay that's right totally cool you I guess you would do it maybe I'm not even sure if you would be okay with that kind of dynamic do you think I'm
07:05:01
Brian Atlasgoing to have success in the dating Marketplace going into it being like you're going to pay for me on first dates I'm going to stay at home I don't want to work I'm going to take care of the kids you genuinely think that like
07:05:14
Brian Atlasthat's not going to be a major issue for me when it comes to dating no that would be a major issue for you or any guy pretty much yep it would okay cool right and this is like a
07:05:25
Brian Atlassocial pressure that women apply to men so it's like yeah we hold you guys to standards you guys guys hold us to standards M yeah so I don't think that's
07:05:36
Brian Atlasoppression though because a woman doesn't want to let me or isn't willing to let me be a stay-at-home h house husband I don't think that's oppression I don't think
07:05:49
Female Panel (mixed)well you just I asked you what are examples of how women are oppressed and you're like well like men have these like kind of social standards for women well a lot of the things that have oppressed women have sort of been weeded
07:06:01
Female Panel (mixed)out like women can buy their own houses and they can own they could credit cards they always own things but yeah they can you know okay then I'm completely wrong women have zero they're they're living the [ __ ] dream that you're completely
07:06:14
Brian Atlasright Brian I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm talking about I can I share an opinion I do I'm I kind of have to move things on but you disagreed so how are women oppressed
07:06:26
Female Panel (mixed)I hear what you're saying but I do think socially socially when they're oppressed how so um well there's men who expect you to bow down for them and fold um their laundry on how would that be
07:06:38
Female Panel (mixed)oppression I just feel like why why are we bowing down to you who who are you why why why do I have to why do I have to work 5 hours to take you on a date
07:06:50
Brian Atlasbecause you want to because that's a you expect it though you expect it I would like that but and I would like a woman to bow to me well you can have your preference and you can have your
07:06:59
Female Panel (mixed)preference too how is it oppression I think just bowing down in general is disrespectful how is it it's the most respectful thing you can do overturn of
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Brian Atlasroie Wade yeah that too there is one that's not well we'll come to that in a bit but I thought you didn't want to be part of this conversation so um so a man wanting a woman to be
07:07:22
Brian Atlassubmissive is oppression um for women who don't want to be put in that position yeah I'm not forcing any women to do it being submit submission is not something that is taken it is something that is given MH
07:07:36
Female Panel (mixed)but you place women who don't want to do that at a on a lower pedestal yeah what's wrong with that what's actually wrong with that well I feel like that's a form of Oppression how so just to be clear you're oppressing men that don't
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Brian Atlaswant to pay for First Dates no oh so it's only oppression when men do it like if a man holds a woman to a standard that's oppression when women hold men to
07:07:56
Brian Atlasthe standards sack up that's your job as a man that's not depression no if he's willingly paying for our first date then no and she's willingly bowing okay
07:08:07
Brian Atlaswhat's the issue fine that's fine I'm not forcing [ __ ] [ __ ] bow for me no but she should want in fact the more she wants to do it and I don't even have to tell her anything the more attractive
07:08:18
Female Panel (mixed)that is I don't want to tell a girl to be submissive she wants to be submissive okay submission is given not taken but I think a majority of women in today's age
07:08:30
Brian Atlasdon't agree with with that in general that's cool and I think men who hold those values are are what apparently the oppressors how are they inherently the
07:08:40
Brian Atlashow does that make you an oppressor because you want your girl to hit a bow why would that be oppressive I think do you want the guy sorry go ahead go ahead
07:08:50
Female Panel (mixed)no I just think it's can you scoot into the table so you're closer to the mic um I just think that's just I don't know actually don't know don't have an answer
07:09:05
Brian Atlasokay is there anything else so you said roie Wade um men's expectations on women is oppressive but women's expectations on men is not oppressive um I think there's oppression in both sides I think
07:09:17
Female Panel (mixed)oh women can be oppressors I didn't know that was a thing like just using or maybe is the right maybe privilege is a right word women have privilege in certain aspects so men are oppressors women are
07:09:28
Female Panel (mixed)oppressed I feel like men have the ultimate ability to oppress women because at any time me like like um Andrew always makes the comment at any time men can rise up and just put us all
07:09:39
Brian Atlasin cages and like kill us or rap us or do whatever but they don't which would point to men's benevolence not to their oppressive nature yeah but absolute
07:09:48
Brian Atlaspower corrupts absolutely and Men could have absolute power why like men are
07:09:57
Brian Atlasbenevolent if men wanted to yes because of force Doctrine they could be like okay we're walking back all of women's rights they could do that no they're not with roie Wade being overed that's that
07:10:09
Female Panel (mixed)okay hold on couple things here so when it comes to ro Wade right it got kicked back to the States but if it's to the states then does that even make it a right because a state get one state gets to choose that I have body autonomy but
07:10:21
Brian Atlasthe other one doesn't it's not a right if somebody gets to still choose whether or not I have the right to my own body yeah but what does this have to do so when it comes to women's rights we're making a comparison between men and women like here a right that men have
07:10:33
Brian Atlasthat women don't we want equality between men and women men don't have any Reproductive Rights at all so actually actually if you guys are in favor of
07:10:42
Brian Atlasequality show up hands who's in favor of equality okay here's equality for you men have no Reproductive Rights here's equality Nationwide abortion ban that's
07:10:54
Female Panel (mixed)equality yeah but there are no laws against a man's reproductive system name one law against a child support Al uh not excuse me not alimony child
07:11:04
Brian Atlassupport just child support how about this a man who is essayed by a woman and she gets pregnant
07:11:13
Brian Atlashe has to pay his uh assaulter child support good I did you just say good well yeah why did he assault he
07:11:23
Brian Atlasassaulted her right no she assaults him she assaults him she gets pregnant oh never mind scratch yeah she just said good to that um she assaults yeah fine
07:11:34
Female Panel (mixed)whatever she Mish her she assaults him he has to pay child support I mean if you want equality then you should just make it where men can opt out if a woman gets pregnant yeah
07:11:46
Brian Atlasbut that's never going to happen so women can't uh men can't opt out of the child support system well then maybe that's something you guys should be fighting for I mean there are men's rights activists that are fighting for precisely that thing then it would be
07:11:59
Brian Atlasequal a woman can choose to have a baby if she want wants to and the man can decide whether or not he wants to sign his name that I suppose that would be a form of equality to some degree women maintain or retain their rights to
07:12:09
Brian Atlasabortion and men can uh if they want they can uh revoke their parental rights it's called like a parental there's a specific term for it um legal paternal
07:12:22
Brian Atlassurrender so the guy can just legally okay I don't want anything to do with you know I don't I I can't you can't solving the world's problems together yeah that's not Al tenable it's never going to happen so little like so
07:12:35
Brian Atlasit's a little what like okay then you have to be sorry go ahead go ahead sad what is sad it's a little sad so is abortion sad yes oh okay well at least you're consistent I
07:12:47
Brian Atlasguess but I'm not saying it's bad but it's sad as [ __ ] but it's not bad why is it I mean but okay woman wants to get an abortion because she's not financially ready it's sad she's but she's able to
07:12:59
Brian Atlaslike murder her child it's [ __ ] it's s it's really it's like takes a serious emotional toll on people sure um again though the this whole R way thing like actual equality between men and women on this issue would be a
07:13:11
Brian Atlasnationwide abortion ban I don't think that's equality though that would be equality men don't have a say once the woman's pregnant men don't have any Reproductive Rights so but
07:13:24
Female Panel (mixed)equality equality would dictate that you have to walk back abortion completely there's more that goes into it than just productive right so not only that like you're you're not just
07:13:33
Female Panel (mixed)putting the okay so men have to do the physical the physical and um financial support of the man but you're creating a a world where women are forced into a
07:13:45
Female Panel (mixed)medical condition being pregnant is a medical condition and it comes with a lot of things people can get uh gestational diabetes they can end up dying like it's pregnancy isn't just a
07:13:56
Female Panel (mixed)easy thing that every woman can just pop out a baby like a lot of women you know suffer tremendously either that being death or trauma postpartum like there's there's lots of things that go into that
07:14:07
Female Panel (mixed)so I feel like yeah they absent ESS women are not forced to get pregnant yeah but I'm saying that accidents do happen and the majority of women who get abortions too already have
07:14:20
Female Panel (mixed)kids and they're already in marriages and they can't handle another kid and usually the husband's fine with it anyway so I feel like it it should be a right yeah but we were talking about women's oppression right and so
07:14:32
Brian Atlastypically oppression you're making like a comparison between men and women oh men have this benefit that women don't right so I'm not sure how the abortion
07:14:43
Brian Atlascomponent like men don't have any Reproductive Rights whatsoever so it would occur to me that like equalizing it would either require uh legal uh paternal surrender which is never going to happen it's not politically uh
07:14:57
Brian Atlastenable whatsoever uh there's not one sing singular politician who's a men's rights activist most politicians are feminists so that's just off the table immediately so if we're going to equalize here you
07:15:10
Brian Atlasjust have to walk back abortion rights completely for there to be equality but you guys are not open to that sort of equality so I don't know I just I personally don't feel like that's equality I feel
07:15:21
Female Panel (mixed)like that's a little step further than that I don't I don't I still feel like the oppression in that case would be on the woman because you know a guy could still run off and not pay child support
07:15:32
Female Panel (mixed)for a couple years or or not get a good job just so he didn't have to pay a ton of Child Support or try to get paid all in cash so he can't put it in child support like there's lots of ways to kind of get to finagle and go around it
07:15:45
Female Panel (mixed)but I the the burden is not physically on the woman she the burd's on her raising the children yeah the burden's physically on the men too if you have to if you have to work a
07:15:57
Brian Atlasjob and they're going to take like 20 30% of your paycheck MH that's 20 to 30% of your labor going to you act like the woman's not paying for anything either no she is yeah it's so
07:16:08
Female Panel (mixed)it's so if she she's also paying financially into this kid the guy has to pay financially into this kid then that's still kind of an equal thing but having to put a woman
07:16:18
Brian Atlasthrough a medical condition that's the step further put through I mean like the same arguments that you know oh the guy should have made this decision before coming inside the woman or whatever like those same arguments can be made towards the woman
07:16:31
Brian Atlasif you if you didn't want to pay child support you should have thought that should have kept your legs closed whatever in any case I'm not I don't really find this a compelling argument when it comes to wom women's oppression
07:16:42
Brian Atlasso um because I already just totally there's a disconnect here when it comes to because oppression has to do with like a differential of treatment between men and women uh so because this is
07:16:55
Brian Atlasthere's not total symmetry here I don't really find it compelling societally you say there's oppression of women so besides the abortion thing can you prevent uh could you provide to me an example of women being
07:17:08
Madisonoppressed I mean we're we're going to skip over it but pay like that's still a thing no it's not it's been debunked okay there's no gender pay it's literally on the federal government
07:17:19
Madisongovernment's website that it is a thing yeah that's I mean you mean the Biden Administration yeah that's fake news March 12th is the day nationally honor that because that's the difference in Pay woman would have to work all the way
07:17:31
Madisonthrough March 12th to get the same pay that the other guy would for just 2023 okay one year um and also women even if they are
07:17:43
Madisonworking and the man is also working I move you in that seat sure if you want to take that seat and they have a family together often times the majority of the domestic work is still expected to be done by the woman even though they're
07:17:55
Brian Atlasboth working full-time jobs so yeah that's kind of kind of fake news no it's not I mean we could pull up infographics that have told I mean the
07:18:06
Madisongender pay Gap has been told explain to me what the gender pay Gap is that for every dollar a man makes a woman on average not always but on average for
07:18:16
Brian Atlasthe same job will make 80% roughly of what a man makes oh for the for the same job correct no here's the gender here's the uncontrolled gender pay gap which is
07:18:28
Brian Atlasthe number you're citing to the UNC controlled gender pay Gap is without factoring in for hours worked type of job you're just comparing all men to all
07:18:40
Brian Atlaswomen and you're just comparing the money that they make there's no like delineation when it comes to again hours worked type of job uh academic credentials any of this sort of thing
07:18:51
Brian Atlasit's just comparing men to women when you start controlling for the there's like over a dozen different factors that you can control for it goes down to its
07:19:02
Brian Atlas99 cents to the dollar if you control it's not here pull up uh find the pay scale infographic in fact in
07:19:14
Brian Atlasfact when it comes to uh for example Asian women Asian women out earn white
07:19:24
Brian Atlasmen yeah they be hustling though so I mean there's just a bit of confusion here when it comes to the gender pay Gap okay so here Damian here's where you're going
07:19:33
Brian Atlasto go Dropbox podcast infographics wage okay can you find it yeah wait how long has this red thing
07:19:46
Brian Atlasbeen here the whole time yeah yeah you got to be [ __ ] kidding me oh my God no why is
07:19:55
Female Panel (mixed)okay can you can you read this from L paladins the Marine cor lyrics are about the Marine okay
07:20:05
Female Panel (mixed)went by too fast go ahead and read it the Marine the Marine Corp lyrics are about the Marines protecting us from
07:20:14
Female Panel (mixed)Mexican invasion of as well as saving whites from slavery in North Africa this is not ancient history not that long ago uh L palins I appreciate the message
07:20:26
Brian Atlasman thank you we have S well that's below the threshold thank you Sab I do appr appreciate the uh message uh do you have it pulled up no here I'll just I'm going to send it
07:20:38
Brian Atlasto you one sec all right one secop private chat I'm going to read the Super Chat
07:20:49
Brian Atlashere Daniel Harmon oppression prolonged cruel or unjust treatment the ladies need a dictionary prolonged cruel or unjust treatment wanting a girl to Bow is a
07:21:00
Brian Atlasquestion FYI but wanting a guy to open the car door and be chalous and like do a million different things to impress you is not because bowing isn't really part of
07:21:13
Madisonour culture that's more like acting like you're their servant than their
07:21:19
Brian Atlaslover so like this whole thing when it comes to like expectations only goes one way is it just shocking to you to like ever hear a man like have expectations for wom women I know most of you deal with men who just happy for some [ __ ]
07:21:32
Female Panel (mixed)but like actual men who have expectations Beyond just sex I think is shocking to a lot of you I find that interesting I rather make my man like a drink when he comes in like the old 1950s than bow to him I feel like that
07:21:45
Madisontakes more effort but it's just do you think uh Asian women in like Asian countries where like the Asian women are bwing to men do you think that's oppression no it's part of their culture that's fine and the other example was like making a meal for a man on the
07:21:56
Madisonfirst date like I enjoy cooking I would think that was a sign of showing that you care about about someone I don't think that's oppressive but I don't enjoy doing laundry or bowing to people so then that's making me like serve you like I'm well I don't enjoy like do you
07:22:09
Madisonthink men enjoy doing all these things for women or do they do it because that's what's required to get women I think some of them do enjoy being a gentleman actually I think some of them do it because that's what's expected and
07:22:20
Madisonthey want some [ __ ] so is it a fair proposition that women can enjoy being submissive sure some okay so what's what's the problem with the bow then if they want to do it that's fine I'm just telling you why wouldn't do it and why a
07:22:31
Brian Atlaslot of other women wouldn't do it sure you can well you can think it's weird or odd but I don't know if you can Define that as oppressive if the woman who's doing it is fully willingly then yeah that's not
07:22:43
Brian Atlasoppression but to like expect that of all women would be oppressive well I don't know if it's the expecting it of all women but if my expectation is
07:22:54
Brian Atlasis that this is what I would want how would that be oppression she doing it consenting then it's not oppressive okay uh thank you Daniel
07:23:06
Brian AtlasHaron for the uh Super Chat I appreciate do you have it pulled up all right so this is from a website called payscale which is left leaning the uncontrolled gender pay Gap this opportunity pay Gap
07:23:18
Brian Atlasmeasures median salary for all men and all women so that's this often cided you said 80 cents on the dollar uh this they say in this one this is 82 women earn 82 cents for every $1 earn the controlled
07:23:30
Brian Atlasgender pay Gap this measure measures median salary for men and women with the same job and qualifications women earn 99 Cents for every $1 earned by
07:23:40
Female Panel (mixed)men okay but I mean it's still until it's 99 and99 or 100 and 100 it's still a pay Gap well how about this when it comes to the gender pay Gap um you
07:23:52
Brian Atlasexpect a guy to pay for the first date I think you said you want a guy to pay for the first date I forgot who else said here wouldn't the gender pay Gap and there's actually plenty of arguments
07:24:01
Brian Atlastotally debunking it the gender pay Gap exists because of a uh a dating pressure that women put on
07:24:11
Brian Atlasmen that's an interesting take on that well I would argue when it comes to dating right uh somebody wanting to find a partner is like one of the most
07:24:23
Brian Atlasimportant things in life people put a lot of time a lot of effort when it comes to dating if not always women but I I want to say 51% of women a majority
07:24:34
Brian Atlasof women want men to pay for First Dates if men don't pay for first dates they're less likely to get a second date they're less likely to have a successful date with that girl whatever you yourselves
07:24:45
Brian Atlasare putting a social pressure on men to make money this social pressure does not exist in the opposite direction so and I have plenty of arguments when it comes
07:24:56
Brian Atlasto the wage Gap thing your own conduct and your own expectations of men is causing the gender pay Gap I've thought about that before like I've seen
07:25:07
Female Panel (mixed)like men support entire families for years and years and years to come and it's like I'm not supporting the pay Gap at all but what I'm saying is like it does like it doesn't go um un majority
07:25:18
Female Panel (mixed)of the time it doesn't go unbalanced like usually women for years and years and generations and generations are financially supported by men not saying currently but I'm so I'm kind of like I'm saying like I've seen
07:25:30
Brian Atlasyour point before that point has been brought up before so but even if I put aside every single other argument I have when it comes to the wage gap for example men they're in different fields
07:25:42
Brian Atlasthey're more likely to relocate they're more likely to work a dangerous job which is going to pay more they're more likely to they're more likely to move to bum [ __ ] nowhere for higher pay they'll
07:25:53
Brian Atlasmove to a 100 person shitty [ __ ] town for the pay right they're going to do all this [ __ ] they're going to work a dangerous job uh there's all kinds of other gaps related to work you know for example men are more likely to be
07:26:05
Brian Atlasinjured on the job men are more likely to die on the job men are more likely to be fall to their death on the job you look at iron workers these men who are building these massive buildings you ever seen these videos these guys don't
07:26:17
Brian Atlaseven have safety [ __ ] harnesses they're just up on the building they could fall 100 200 300 feet to their death there's not a lot of women wanting those opportunities the reality is men are involved in a bunch of fields that
07:26:29
Brian Atlasjust happen to pay more a lot of y'all aren't willing to do those dangerous dirty jobs that pay a lot they'll go on the [ __ ] uh they they'll go what's it
07:26:38
Madisoncalled the an oil rig for three months y'all aren't willing to do that a lot of women are held back in their careers though because once the family unit has been started and there's
07:26:49
Madisonchildren out play 99% of the time or not 99% I'm just being exaggerating here but much of the time if the kid has to go home from school sick or whatever whatever the issue is with child care it
07:27:01
Madisonlands on the mom more often than not which does hold them back in their career while the husband just gets to keep working hard and showing the CEOs how amazing he is and get that pay raise sure look I mean there are actually the
07:27:13
Brian Atlasa female I don't know if it was a female Economist she actually recently won the uh what was it a female Economist won
07:27:23
Brian Atlasthe what's that like a word that award uh Nobel yeah no Nobel Peace Prize well no it wasn't the Nobel Peace Prize she won the Nobel I think in economics
07:27:35
Brian Atlasand it like the the whole weight uh difference in Pay between men and women ultimately comes down to women choosing to have families and have children and
07:27:43
Brian Atlasthere's just there's just the reality of that is pretty much the primary factor here can you pull up the Discord
07:27:53
Brian Atlasand Pull up The Men at Work tab really quick and then uh but also really quick like look if organiz ations could get away with paying women less one it's
07:28:03
Brian Atlasbeen legislated against since the 1960s it's if you can prove that your employer is paying you less you can file a lawsuit and you can get a substantial
07:28:14
Brian Atlaspayout from that uh the reality is if you could actually pay women less a corporation's motivation is to make money if it was actually true that you could get away with paying women less these corporations would just hire women
07:28:27
Brian Atlasand just pay them less the reality is it's just not true like why aren't these bus businesses just like oh I can save 30% on labor cost let me just hire women can you pull up the Discord well then that one of
07:28:39
Brian Atlasthat be discrimination men men at work just start it from the top uh I've acrew a whole bunch of videos here um you're going to spend
07:28:51
Brian Atlasfive seconds on just uh play that one the second one on that one yeah just click it all right here's a dude at the top of the Bur Khalifa doing maintenance on the Burge Khalifa I don't know if I'm
07:29:03
Brian Atlassaying that right but tallest building in the world yeah women are not dying to go do this job X out of it next are your palms getting sweaty uh
07:29:13
Brian Atlasplay that uh scroll down to the iron workers play that first one the big one all right women are not dying to go and
07:29:24
Brian Atlasstand on top of buildings and be iron workers and get their thumbs crushed by um steel beams all right Exile that
07:29:34
Brian Atlasfirefighter uh you guys know about firefighters scroll down o the line workers one's really interesting play that big one this is in the somewhere in
07:29:43
Brian AtlasI don't know if this is China it's [ __ ] snowing crazy oh my God and that's like hundred uh that's really
07:29:52
Brian Atlashigh up next okay there's um play that first one for the ocean workers
07:30:01
Brian Atlasuh you guys want to be out there for six weeks at a time okay cool next uh scroll down we'll do the rough neck super quick oh I couldn't do the bug one I can do all the other ones I couldn't do the bug
07:30:14
Brian Atlasactually Exile this this one takes a while to get to it um or just skip forward a little bit it's a short clip or no actually just play the bug one full screen Go full
07:30:25
Female Panel (mixed)screen oh no that's where I draw the line right there the bugs oh my God that's a man I'd make a sandwich for
07:30:37
Brian Atlasyeah uh and then this one this is kind of related these guys go full screen yeah no safety harness they're just is this in America though is this like no it's a different country well so there still men right they're still men look
07:30:50
Brian Atlasat the these guys are [ __ ] Legends dude W they are oh my goodness oh my God no harnesses they're just chilling and it's
07:31:01
Brian Atlasjust that way you're talking about the United States I mean but me yeah I mean all those other ones like the rough necks that was in the United States um
07:31:10
Brian Atlasthere was uh the guy the iron workers that's we still need men to like build MH comfortable skyscrapers or whatever the [ __ ] for you guys to uh enjoy so I
07:31:22
Female Panel (mixed)think it should be talked about more and that there should be more I think respect given to like the fact that these men do these jobs that are I mean
07:31:33
Madisonthat could even be deadly I think that it's not talked about enough I mean mad respect to them for sure for sure the more men do take on those very dangerous jobs and they do deserve respect for that but women also take on the very
07:31:44
Brian Atlasdangerous role of potentially risking their life during childbirth but they potentially risk their life working there perhaps this could have been like true back in the day when like the
07:31:55
Brian Atlaschance of uh well there's what's the term for uh the M mortality rate for like pregnancy uh healthc care has gone like a very
07:32:06
Brian Atlaslong way the chance of wom dying from giving birth is like exceptionally low it still does happen but it's like super low uh and also even back then there was still a bigger burden on women because
07:32:17
Brian Atlasthe infant mortality rate was like 50% so women were expected to have like 8 9 10 kids sometimes even more because half your kids died now
07:32:29
Brian Atlasit's like what you're going to have two kids 1.9 kids or whatever the what's the average birth rate for women I mean it's like yeah okay the the expectations on
07:32:40
Madisonwomen is way less now so and sure guys work more dangerous jobs and like I said they deserve respect for that but when we're talking about the same job like I brought up earlier um I mean my statistics are a little outdated because
07:32:53
MadisonI've been out of school for a while but when I was in school they said that sure women have some privilege because they are more likely to get hired in this profession but when a man is hired he will on average make more money than the
07:33:05
Madisonfemale counterpart that's again why I'm saying sure women have some privileges that men don't but then men also do as well so we have to acknowledge both it's not just one way yeah look I mean
07:33:16
Brian Atlasthere's all kinds of gaps in life again I don't even really think looking at the controlled gender pay Gap when you're comparing like women in the same job
07:33:25
Brian Atlasfield doing the same job it it shrinks down to uh down to that uh one cent whereas you have like how about
07:33:36
Brian Atlashere's a way bigger Gap I think it's like 93 of workplace deaths or it's like 93% of workplace injuries are uh are men
07:33:46
Brian Atlas98% of workplace deaths are men I mean that seems like a pretty terrible like would you I'd rather make 80 cents less if it meant I didn't have to die potentially
07:33:57
Brian Atlaswhen I'm working a job mhm men die 5 years sooner there's all kinds of gaps that's
07:34:09
Brian Atlasterrible so is that evidence of Oppression though how about the the how about the uh military conscription Gap do you think women should be drafted
07:34:20
Brian Atlassure you guys are in favor in favor should women be forced into should we take away women's bodily autonomy and force them to be soldiers in the event
07:34:31
Female Panel (mixed)of a war I mean I feel like women already have stepped up during Wars like they've taken over all the F dangerous factory jobs that the men couldn't do and making all the steel that the men couldn't make and all the bullets yeah
07:34:43
Brian AtlasRosie the Riveter World War II let me ask you what worse uh okay uh being in a trench in like the French Countryside
07:34:53
Brian Atlaswith Germans shooting at you and sending uh artillery shells and you get impaled in the face and your entire you're literally uh your your half your face
07:35:05
Female Panel (mixed)just instantly gets vaporized or women laboring voluntarily no I agree with you that women should get drafted and I do agree
07:35:16
Brian Atlasthat I have to hold on Sor do do you have the things by the way hold on I got uh we're going to show these things
07:35:26
Brian Atlasoh okay World War II women oppressed okay okay um go ahead pull up the first one the world according to a feminist uh
07:35:36
Brian Atlascan you make us smaller I guess that works too you can just write small the world according to a
07:35:47
Brian Atlasfeminist uh yeah it's actually eight out of 10 homeless people are male um so just curious I think a couple of you said uh women are oppressed just curious in this photo um who who's oppressed the
07:36:00
Brian Atlasman or is the man the oppressor not in this scenario no oh okay um yeah and then the other
07:36:13
Brian Atlasone who just just curious like um what this guy who's like crouching on the ground working on a manhole and these women who would look to be like uh
07:36:25
Brian Atlasmiddle class upper middle class like dressed very nicely whatever um their poor shoes are getting a little dirty it looks a little dirty there uh who's who's worse off in the scenario
07:36:38
Female Panel (mixed)yeah but that guy's getting paid like that's a laborer like that's kind of different yeah and they probably have cushy like that's like me going to McDonald's and be like haha you guys are oppressed I'm going to eat a burger like yeah these women have like cushy aircond