Did She CHEAT?! Men Make ZERO Effort?! They DEMAND Trad Men BUT Are THEY Trad?! | Dating Talk #217
Date: 2024-12-02
Duration: 9h 44m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_04TTS Voice(audience)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_12Alexis(guest)
SPEAKER_13Female Panel (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_14Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:05:03
QuoteMadison says she hooks up with Rogue's polyamorous boyfriend: 'I play with Madison's husband all the time and it's different than when I play with my own partner'
“I play with Madison's husband all the time”
00:23:59
QuoteSienna/Rogue defends OnlyFans economics: 'You could get so much for $200 on OnlyFans' (in response to $200 TTS saying 'delete your OF accounts')
“you donated $200 just to say that and like you could get so much for $200 on off”
00:39:43
ControversyAndrew Wilson cites 2011 study: gonorrhea rates among adult performers are 64x higher than general population and 18x higher than LA County residents aged 18-29
“just as of 2011 just to just to tell you um the studies found that goria rates alone were 64 times higher than the general population and 18 18 times higher than Los Angeles County”
01:14:17
Key MomentBrian presents the 'McDonald's vs five-star restaurant' analogy for sex: men who just want casual sex from women take them to five-star restaurants, while men who truly like a woman go 50/50, paralleling women making relationship men wait while sleeping quickly with hookups
“all the exes all the the guy all his exes uh got five star meals but uh and no change in financial status uh she gets McDonald's”
01:45:59
QuoteAndrew Wilson: 'You can't unsuck a dick' — on the irreversibility of high body count and its effect on male attraction
“there's an old proverb um you can't unsuck a dick right”
01:52:09
QuoteBrian Atlas: 'Men are not vending machines in a similar way where you put sex tokens into and you get a relationship out of them'
“men are not vending machines in a similar way where you put sex tokens into and you get a relationship out of them”
02:28:03
OtherSelf-ratings round: Rogue 7-8, Maya 9, Sienna 3.5 (very candid about weight), Kiki 7, Melissa 10 (banter about non-corrective glasses), Madison 8 (7.5-8), Giana 9, Andrew 10
02:28:37
QuoteSienna rates herself 3.5: 'I truly believe I am a 3.5 and I have had um sexual relations with someone that was um more attractive and that doesn't inflate my ego'
“I believe I am a 3.5 and I have had um sexual relations with with someone that was um you know I guess what would you say out of do they say out of your league”
03:26:03
Key MomentBrian pulls up his ex-girlfriend's bow video — she greets him with food and performs a deep bow. Extended panel reaction; Brian explains he trained her to bow deeper over time.
“this was after a long I took this video was after a long day at the podcast Studio my expectation is like she has to hit a bow”
03:42:50
ControversyAndrew Wilson presents the chivalry-virtue exchange argument: 'If you expect the code of chivalry — why in the hell should any man ever extend that if there's no chastity and virtue in exchange?'
“if there's not the Chastity and the Purity and The Virtue aspect for women why in the hell should any man ever ever in a million years extend the code of chivalry”
04:13:51
QuoteBrian on the office clip analogy: 'Lead me — lead me when I'm in the mood to be led' — describing women wanting leadership from men but only conditionally
“Lead Me lead me when I'm in the mood to be led”
04:52:27
Key MomentBrian shows video of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him when he comes home — 'bow boom, huge bow'
“bow boom huge bow you see that look at the bow look at the depth”
06:35:00
ControversyRacism/white privilege debate: Andrew argues that systems which say minority groups can't be racist toward white people create their own systemic problem. Cites Barbary slave trade of Europeans, Irish oppression, Italian oppression.
07:56:23
QuoteBrian reveals his BLM (Big Labia Matter) Instagram post was mistaken for Black Lives Matter by a girl he was about to date — she cancelled the date thinking he hadn't posted a black square
“she thought it was black Liv matter but it was the big laia thing”
08:21:45
QuoteBrian reveals his father was born in Algeria, North Africa — making him 'technically African-American.' Extended banter with panel about this.
“my dad was born in North Africa in uh Algeria technically I'm African-American”
09:39:53
OtherGiana performs a spider/backbend contortion move on the floor at the end of the show — panel is amazed. She is a trained contortionist (mother is gymnastics teacher).
“okay okay make sure you can or you want me to move this huh go okay you're good wait you're doing it”
Topics Discussed
00:02:23
Guest Introductions
Brian introduces panel and each guest states their name, age, location, occupation, and relationship status in turn. Rogue (32, Reno, OnlyFans/pole/radiology), Maya (24, CA/Michigan, OnlyFans), Sienna (21, Torrance, student), Kiki (20, LA, digital marketing student), Melissa (23, LA, social media), Madison (35, SF, married/OnlyFans/Pilates), Alexis (23, LA, flight attendant/bartender), Giana (18, LA, model).
00:06:20
Relationship Status Round
Panel discusses current and past relationships. Rogue is polyamorous with 4-year boyfriend. Maya single 2 years. Sienna single 3 weeks (just ended 2.5yr relationship with fentanyl addict). Kiki in new 1-month relationship from LA Fashion Week. Melissa single 1 month. Madison married 17 years (high school sweethearts, swingers). Alexis single 1 month (4yr relationship ended). Giana single 3 years.
00:25:00
OnlyFans and Sex Work Debate
Extended debate between Andrew Wilson and Madison/Rogue about whether OnlyFans/sex work is harmful to society. Andrew argues it's harmful based on STD rates, trafficking, degradation of marriage values. Madison and Rogue defend it. Discussion of STD testing in the industry vs. general population, sampling bias in studies. Andrew cites 2011 gonorrhea study showing 64x higher rates among performers.
00:51:40
Domestic Violence and Divorce History
Panel discusses whether low historical divorce rates masked higher domestic violence. Andrew argues battery was always illegal. Madison argues many women were trapped and unreported. Debate over falsifiability of 'it was just underreported' arguments.
00:58:20
When Women Have Sex: Fast vs. Slow
Long discussion about women having sex quickly with casual hookups but making 'relationship material' men wait. Brian presents the analogy of men paying more for dates for casual encounters but less (going 50/50) for women they actually like. Panel largely acknowledges the pattern. Andrew draws parallel to make Brian's point. Madison defends her first-night hookup that led to 17 years.
01:14:10
Vasodepression/Oxytocin and Hookup Science
Discussion of oxytocin (bonding hormone in women after sex) and vasodepression in men (buildup creating chase drive, release causing post-nut clarity). Guest argues this explains why making men wait can increase their interest.
01:56:40
Body Count and Virgin Preference
Long debate about whether high body count decreases women's relationship prospects. Andrew argues it limits the pool of quality men. Rogue argues polyamorous Chad wouldn't care. Discussion of whether men prefer virgins, loyalty threshold theory, and whether women are sabotaging themselves by advocating for promiscuity.
02:48:20
Self-Ratings Round
Guests rate their physical appearance 1-10. Rogue: 7-8. Maya: 9. Sienna: 3.5 (very honest, says she needs to lose weight). Kiki: 7 (17 is her favorite number). Melissa: 10 (causes extended banter; Brian removes her non-corrective glasses). Madison: 8 (7.5-8). Giana: 9 (gave 9 last time too). Andrew: 10. Brian teases everyone.
03:10:00
Age Photo Reaction
Brian pulls up old photos of panel members and has guests react/rate them. Extended banter about looking different without glasses.
03:19:00
MGK Fan Groping Video
Panel reacts to viral video of a married woman groping Machine Gun Kelly at a meet-and-greet while her husband watches. Debate about whether the husband was a 'cuck,' whether the hug was inappropriate, and whether she would sleep with MGK if given a pass. Panel is largely critical of the woman's behavior.
03:48:20
Courting Standards and Chivalry
Kiki raises topic of men not wanting to put in effort (not picking girls up, not planning dates). Extended debate about whether chivalry is dead and why. Andrew argues chivalry was tied to female chastity/virtue — if women aren't virtuous, why should men be chivalrous? Discussion of whether women should take husband's last name, who should pay on first date, submissiveness in relationships, traditional gender roles.
04:08:20
Traditional Gender Roles and Submission Debate
Extended debate spanning multiple hours about whether women should be submissive in relationships, whether traditional roles are valid, and hypocrisy of wanting traditional male behavior without reciprocal female behavior. Andrew presents argument that virtue is non-transactional. Brian creates 'The Office' clip analogy about wanting to be led only when in the mood.
04:41:40
DEI and Women in the Workforce
Debate about whether DEI initiatives are justified, whether women were historically oppressed in education, and whether women gravitate toward the same occupations as 200 years ago. Andrew cites Nordic Nations and Jordan Peterson on gender roles. Discussion of female architects designing more functional houses.
04:58:20
Dating Apps vs Meeting in Person
Sienna asks where to meet high-quality men outside of apps. Brian advises approaching in person (campus, activities). Discussion of social anxiety and how being fit helps. Sienna is candid about being overweight and needing to work on herself first.
06:15:00
Can You Be Racist Toward White People
Extended debate about the definition of racism. Alexis argues you cannot be racist toward white people (racism = prejudice + power). Brian presents Barack Obama hypothetical and Obama refusing to hire white janitor. Andrew challenges 'prejudice + power' definition using various examples including the Barbary slave trade. Various guests weigh in.
06:35:00
White Privilege and Systemic Racism
Continuation of racism debate. White privilege discussion — whether it's universal or only applicable to specific white groups (Irish, Italians, etc. weren't considered 'white'). Sienna (half Middle Eastern/El Salvadorian) discusses her perspective. Andrew argues that systems which say certain groups can't be racist create a systemic problem themselves.
08:06:40
Roast Session and Wrap-Up
Chat TTS donations come in roasting the panel. Discussion of Amber Heard's mathematical beauty, Elon Musk as potential date, McKenzie Scott. Brian admits his dad is from Algeria (North Africa) making him technically 'African-American.' Giana performs contortion backbend demo. Final TTS reads and show wrap-up.
Transcript
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02:51:45
Brian Atlasmy age uh what what is your actual objection with my statement about when I think women are their most physically attractive I just I just find it an interesting question I'm just wondering what you're trying to get out of the question I'm not saying it's a bad
02:51:58
Brian Atlasquestion I'm just wondering I get that but you're not even answering my question you already said that but then you said whoa you over here as a 35-year-old finding women who are in their early to mid 20s attractive that's
02:52:10
Female Panel (mixed)a little weird I don't say was no I didn't say it was weird I'm just saying what are we instilling here what do you mean what are we instilling what what are you try well we're looking at pictures of oursel as older and I think a lot of women are told to have the insecurity of oh well the second you get
02:52:22
Female Panel (mixed)out of your 20s like things get a little rocky you're actively looking at picture and that's great to hear you know I'm petrified I you're going to look so much better in your 30s but why are you I don't why are you worried about all that CU I've been told to be I didn't
02:52:33
Female Panel (mixed)actually I genuinely did Notting yourself based on how you think you look but I'm just saying considering exactly what you said every single product inside a store is like for looking younger just as what you said I had no
02:52:45
Female Panel (mixed)insecurity when I graduated high school about my age and then I was told to have this insecurity I was told to I'm not just making that up either you so then why is your beauty standard like all of you said it's not my beauty standard
02:52:57
Female Panel (mixed)listen this guy is 35 he just said that girls are most attractive in their 20 stop let them finish pardon what did you rate yourself seven a seven and what makes you a seven
02:53:12
Female Panel (mixed)um uh like for myself like what I what do you mean like what yeah what makes you a seven I uh you don't know what makes you a
02:53:24
Andrew Wilsonseven I like my eyes I like my hair whatever yeah your eyes and your hair so you're informing your own Beauty standard right mhm so if you're informing your own Beauty standard then who who cares what these products and
02:53:36
Andrew Wilsonother things are trying to say care I'm just saying it's Inception of the brain this is the contradiction I'm talking about I don't care I only inform my own Beauty standard I'm a seven girl cuz I know I'm a seven cuz my eyes and hair
02:53:48
Andrew Wilsonwhatever it is that you decide to point to is making you the seven but at the same time you say well these insecurities for age they just come from products and things like that I don't I don't hear any insecurity for a I hear
02:54:00
Female Panel (mixed)you just saying I inform my own Beauty standard well also like once again if we're going to look at the mechanics of things theoretically let's say women are the most like attractive because of like all the hormones they have in their body in their 20s okay and then the hormones start to tip off and then all of a
02:54:13
Female Panel (mixed)sudden they're less attractive whatever whatever but beyond that we're told you know your brain is incepted to be insecure about it all and I'm just saying even like showing pictures of us oh here's what you're going to look like when you're 40 do you think you're ugly like yikes I'm not saying it's bad I'm
02:54:25
Andrew Wilsonjust saying it's just like I just like just be clear on your motives here you're saying you're arguing like what should clear on my motives you ready my motives are I think that there's a lot of women who are coping with the
02:54:36
Andrew Wilsondelusion that in 10 years time from present day where they're at right now that they're going to be just as attractive as they are right now that's absurd okay but why why are we harping
02:54:47
Andrew Wilsonon that you hang on here's how I'll demonstrate it right I'm going to ask you a question and you're probably going to lie to me you ready okay when you walk down the street and you meet women who are in
02:54:59
Female Panel (mixed)their 40s are more of them attractive than the women who are in their 20s okay no you want they have less hormones they can't make a baby theoretically so we're going scientifically they're less attractive no that's valid that is a valid point if you want to talk about
02:55:12
Female Panel (mixed)sexual attraction they can't they're not they're less sexually attractive sure but what if they smell nice because they have the [ __ ] old people lotion they have a nice coat so yeah they're more attractive in that way yeah this makes no sense though if if when you will just
02:55:25
Andrew Wilsonwalk down the street and more 40-year-old women you see are less attractive than the 20-year-old women you see then what what what is informing your view all these different women's views that they're going to be more attractive when in their 40 I will be
02:55:37
Female Panel (mixed)100% less attractive when I'm 40 thank you for pointing it out I think that's a valid concern you at 40 do you think your wife is ugly is that what you're saying no why that's not doesn't even make sense yes it does you just
02:55:49
Madisonliterally you literally just called your wife ugly sorry I think she's asking if your wife has gone downhill since you got married let me help you out with logic here but you still love her you still think she's beautiful so why are you saying that to her years hang on and
02:56:02
Andrew Wilsonhow should she feel about you guys guys guys guys stop let him you guys got let talk let the man speak if if in 10 years you're less you're less attractive than you are right now that doesn't mean you
02:56:13
Andrew Wilsonwon't be attractive right that's not calling you ugly that's pointing out that you're less attrative than you were 10 years prior is my wife less attractive now than she was at like 25
02:56:23
Andrew Wilsonyeah you know who the first one would be who would tell you that my wife and every other non- delusional human being on planet Earth okay I guess it's about being
02:56:34
Female Panel (mixed)realistic then uh how old's your boyfriend he's 20 he's 20 okay have you ever dated an older guy uh no AG Gap relationship no
02:56:45
Brian AtlasI've never like dated an older guy okay uh so you asked why why it's important right or why we're doing this question like it seems to be you're trying to say
02:56:57
Brian Atlasthat oh we're just trying to belittle women and like actually tell them that they're less attractive than they actually think they are is that kind of your position essentially or well I'm actually just wondering if that is your position I wasn't taking a stance I'm just wondering where you guys are
02:57:09
Brian Atlasstanding so then yes what is your position well I'll tell you why one I think it's important and I'll tell you why I suppose this question gets asked one it's just sort of to get a sense of
02:57:21
Brian Atlaswomen's self-perception of their own physical attractiveness uh this is important when it comes to dating this is a dating podcast after all so if you have for
02:57:32
Brian Atlasexample and this could apply to men too if you were delusional for example and you thought you were how about this do you guys all know maybe you've
02:57:42
Brian Atlasmet a man who thinks he's [ __ ] hot [ __ ] who thinks he's he's God gift but you're like you ain't you ain't
02:57:51
Brian Atlas[ __ ] nothing like yeah like Brian thanks appreciate it so you've met a guy like this right
02:58:01
Brian Atlasuh do you think that uh but how are you I guess one able to make the determination he thinks he's hot [ __ ]
02:58:09
Brian Atlasbut he's not right and so do you think a person who thinks like this is going to expect a partner of a certain caliber that they're not actually likely going
02:58:21
Brian Atlasto be able to secure would that be a fair statement like if you think you're for example let's say there's a basement dwelling virgin neck beard having
02:58:31
Brian Atlasmorbidly obese Cheeto dust having God damn can you guys stop [ __ ] interrupting and just let me get through a sentence perhaps a paragraph it would be appreciated all night with
02:58:44
Brian Atlasyou guys you've been interrupting me you've been interrupting Andrew he lives in his mother's basement do you think this guy is going
02:58:53
Andrew Wilsonto get a Victoria Secret model no talking about me again Brian H what's that why you talking why you talking about me like this Brian you just going
02:59:02
Andrew Wilsonto put me out there like that anyway yeah to to his question though but he thinks he's a 10 out of
02:59:14
Brian Atlas10 does he have a shitty personality too I was just about to say that care how [ __ ] good his personality is and most of you would immediately disqualify him
02:59:23
Brian Atlason the basis of his looks and standing in life alone right I don't know for me can you guys be good faith like oh yeah there's you know uh you guys always want to argue
02:59:36
Brian Atlaslike the outlier you always want to argue just in general you think most women want to date the morbidly obese Cheeto dust having virgin neck beard
02:59:47
Brian Atlasliving with his parents playing video games all day smoking weed the answer is no just sometimes you guys can just grant an argument and be like instead of just me oh well there's some girl out
03:00:00
Female Panel (mixed)there who's a Victoria Secret model that would [ __ ] him you could just say no no I I wasn't going to say that I was just going to say I was going to say no but I was also going to say there's some girl out there no if he has motivation and let's say he's in his mom's basement all
03:00:13
Andrew Wilsonthe time because he's he's hustling online and doing like baller [ __ ] then I don't know you walking through a nursing home he's ambitious um you're walking through a nursing home and you got the pictures of
03:00:23
Andrew Wilsonthe women in the nursing home when they were 25 and you were like hey Granny take a look at you at 25 do you think that you look better now or at 25 what do you think Granny's going to say she's
03:00:35
Andrew Wilsongoing to say that was some good times yeah why why do you think she's going to point to her 25-year-old self as looking better than she does right now well because she's not on the verge of death no no no she's not on the verge of death
03:00:46
Female Panel (mixed)She's a spry granny well I don't know objectively hotter she's objectively hotter you were right so I'll get i'll get back to uh why it's
03:00:56
Brian Atlasimportant I guess the point I'm trying to make here is that you guys all agree that there's plenty of men who think they're hot [ __ ] but they're not and perhaps they think they're deserving of a certain caliber of woman that they're
03:01:08
Brian Atlasnot really deserving of I'm sure you guys have seen this pH phenomenon of oh man she's like why is this beautiful girl with this really mid guy right one this is because women have make awful
03:01:20
Brian Atlasappraisals of men's physical attractiveness and their own attractiveness on a societal level you're gassed up by Society in addition to this you're gassed up by your peer group all your friends I could go to any
03:01:33
Brian Atlassingle one of your Instagrams pull up a photo and there's your entire friend group or acquaintances or whoever the [ __ ] is following you on social media slay Queen you're beautiful you're 10
03:01:44
Brian Atlasout of 10 you're the oh my God baddy I pull up any of your Instagrams regardless of how mediocre or average any of you are and your friends will tell you that you're
03:01:55
Brian Atlasbeautiful I you know look I'm not maybe you're great people and all but like you guys are gassing each other up to the point where you guys are thinking your tends but you're not here's where the
03:02:06
Brian Atlasissue ends up women and men are very different right you're we're totally different now here's the I guess there's many ways where this totally is a
03:02:18
Brian Atlascatastrophe when it comes to the dating landscape here's the biggest uh if I step to a Victoria Secret model and I say hi I'm Brian I'm making myself sexually available to you
03:02:30
Brian Atlasobviously it wouldn't be as autistic as that but like you get the underlying point I'm instantly getting rejected instantly getting
03:02:40
Brian Atlasrejected so sorry I'm losing I'm trying to kind of frame this as best as I can men get rejected on the front end if we try to step to a girl who's outside
03:02:51
Brian Atlasof our league we don't get a date we don't get a conversation we certainly don't get sex the difference is when you women step to a man who's outside of
03:03:02
Brian Atlasyour league you get a date you get sex you don't get commitment and so you get rejected on the back end and so what ends up happening is because you get
03:03:14
Brian Atlassexual access to men who will never give you commitment they'll keep you around for maybe they'll [ __ ] you once maybe they'll keep you around for they could even string you around along for a year
03:03:26
Brian Atlasyou got girls in situationships for years and these guys don't want to give you commitment and so what ends up happening is a couple things one you're you're dealing with men who are orders
03:03:38
Brian Atlasof magnitude more attractive than you it could be looks it could be status it could be personality and this is dangerous in so far as you think that's
03:03:47
Brian Atlaswhat you deserve so a lot of women spend their 20s [ __ ] and dating men that they can't lock down for a long-term relationship they get into their 30s the men who are actually on their level are still there here's I want to give you a
03:04:00
Brian Atlasrelationship I want to give you a relationship I want to give you a relationship ah okay I can't get those men I finally come to the conclusion that I'll never be able to get those men time is ticking I need to get married I
03:04:12
Brian Atlasneed to have kids you settle for the guy who's actually on your level but you still because you've your own self assessment of where you stand in the dating Marketplace has been so warped by
03:04:24
Brian Atlasyour sexual access to men who are outside of your league oh I can here look if you can sleep with a guy who's a nine that don't mean you're a nine the guy you can get a long-term
03:04:37
Brian Atlascommitted relationship from the guy who will give you a ring that's your league not the guys who you can [ __ ] not the NFL players not the rap musicians that's not your league if look if you can get
03:04:48
Brian Atlascommitment from them maybe it's your league your league is the men you can get long-term monogamous relationships and a ring from absent that just because you can [ __ ] an NFL player and he's a 10
03:05:01
Brian Atlasdoesn't mean you're a 10 so what but because you have access to these men if you think you're a 10 or whatever or you sleep with men who are hyper
03:05:13
Brian Atlasattractive it's going to be one kind of damaging to your self-esteem to be constantly passed around by men and never being able to secure commitment from them you're going to look at men who are actually on your level as below you this is going to be make for a
03:05:26
Brian Atlasterrible relationship you're going to be like like once you're once you're used to a certain treatment or certain caliber of
03:05:36
Brian Atlasman it's going to be very hard for you to reconcile oh now that I'm 30 I have to settle for like Mr average even if you're an average woman that's why it's
03:05:47
Brian Atlasimportant for y'all as women to be realistic about where you stand in the sexual and dating Marketplace because again so okay here I guess to wrap up
03:05:59
Brian AtlasI'll say this if I can have sex with a girl there's a high probability my in terms of there's a high probability a high confidence level I can get that girl in
03:06:12
Brian Atlasa relationship if I can have sex with her can you guys say the same when it comes to the that you can have sex with do you genuinely think that just by virtue of you being able to have sex
03:06:24
Brian Atlaswith a man you can get him into a relationship I would imagine you're not quite as confident there not at all
03:06:35
Brian Atlasanybody here how about this have you guys had the experience of you've been sleeping with a guy you really like him you want a relationship and he's like no no no pump the
03:06:46
Female Panel (mixed)breaks I'm pretty confident if I can sleep with a girl I can get her into a relationship instantly within the I can get her into relationship that night that's the same argument as just you know pumping the
03:06:58
Female Panel (mixed)brakes and not having sex with a guy first that's the same argument that we were having yeah cuz if you know exactly your point if you know that if a man can have sex and get into a relationship but woman men say yes to anything
03:07:10
Female Panel (mixed)theoretically so then that's why the argument of like trying to like regardless of your past trying to like be like no wait okay cuz like what you just said I want to test if he actually likes me if he actually thinks I'm in his League not just
03:07:21
Brian Atlasbecause I'm [ __ ] an NFL player well I will I would I would tend to agree with you that the longer you make a man wait the greater likelihood that it can be a filter for men that just want sex like
03:07:34
Brian Atlasyou will start to get some men are willing to wait though like dude some dudes wait in the [ __ ] Shadows they'll wait months they'll be like okay waiting round put her on the slow burner I'll take her on a date once every two
03:07:45
Brian Atlasweeks I'll get it eventually some dudes will do that but there's also guys who are like man I ain't going to go on eight I'm just trying to [ __ ] I'm not going to go on eight dates with so that protects you from the argument that you're making if we know that men can have sex and then not actually see us as
03:07:58
Brian Atlastheir caliber that that's the protection I feel like we lingered on that convers like the conversation an hour ago I'm not trying to bring it up again I'm just saying that's like the answer you're trying to say that you know that's the answer no but
03:08:08
Brian Atlasmy yeah a woman could use that as a filter to like try to yeah reduce the potential pool of men that are just trying to [ __ ] her if you're just making a statement suppose I could agree with you but can we stick to the topic at hand I am that was my answer to the
03:08:22
Female Panel (mixed)topic at hand however sure I guess like theoretically yeah I could agree with you agree with me in so far as what what you like what what are you
03:08:32
Female Panel (mixed)agreeing with me on just so or if you have theoretically the argument is if you what you just said uhhuh if you have sex with a girl you could probably get her into a relationship but if a girl if
03:08:45
Female Panel (mixed)but the inverse of that then it's like if a girl has sex with to the guy that doesn't mean that she'll get into a relationship with him yeah okay regardless whatever right but I was I was not trying to use that
03:08:57
Brian Atlasin are you just making a statement what are you wanting I'm giving like an answer to that you you it was actually a question that you posed I was explaining to you why we're talking about the looks and
03:09:08
Brian Atlasthe rating thing okay I'm not really inclined to go back to the conversation prior it wasn't that was my answer but okay then why why are you still talking about it then you brought it up lady but
03:09:20
Female Panel (mixed)you're still talking about it I said okay and then you're saying it again and then I said okay and then you're saying it again and then I said okay okay so you asked me a question why are you at oh my you're saying it again that's so
03:09:31
Brian Atlasfunny I'm literally not you asked so you asked me originally you asked me originally the question of uh why do you toxic men want to like have women rap
03:09:41
Brian Atlasthemselves it's like it's actually almost in an effort to see if we can bring you back down to earth so that you can move in the dating Marketplace not
03:09:52
Brian Atlaswith like ridiculous expectations and standards for men so that you don't get burned because you're chasing after [ __ ] gigachad when the reality is most women are average you're chasing
03:10:03
Brian Atlasafter men who you're you're trying to date well above what your own looks prospects and personalities warrant okay that's what I'm trying to get at I
03:10:14
Brian Atlascompletely agree and this is why I mean this is evidenced by just the reality of hypergamy it's evidenced by what's going on dating apps 10% of Da of men on dating apps are monopolizing all the
03:10:29
Brian Atlaswomen that's why it's important you want to stop dealing with [ __ ] boys that are [ __ ] 10 different chicks and dealing with you or do you want to actually get into a relationship I would agree with that you
03:10:40
Brian Atlaswant to get into a relationship let's have a real conversation about like okay oh am I like chasing after men who are like emotionally unavailable who are like the top top tier of men and like yeah I can get sex from them and it's
03:10:53
Brian Atlaslike super cool like they're really attractive and I'm really turned on and I'm really into like having sex with these men but they're never going to give you a relationship can I add something sure I generally don't go for
03:11:06
Female Panel (mixed)men that are more attractive than me I agree same yeah I think most women don't to be honest I think we go for other things but like typically on the attractiveness scale it's typically like not always but typically the woman is
03:11:19
Female Panel (mixed)more attractive I don't think we care about looks as much as men do we care about a lot of other things but not looks as much as men do and I've had the opportunities to [ __ ] celebrities that I've said no to like I don't like that's
03:11:32
Female Panel (mixed)not the end I'll be all like I think women want connection from men so I I feel like the majority of guys that I've dat like actually fell in love with and dated have been way average mhm I I
03:11:44
Female Panel (mixed)think that um as someone I guess I can say say from my standpoint from how I do realistically look as I believe I am a
03:11:52
Female Panel (mixed)3.5 and I have had um sexual relations with with someone that was um you know I guess what would you say out of do they say out of your league like would they look better than me could just be more
03:12:04
Female Panel (mixed)attractive and and I think that and I think that even though they did that with me that's not going to I like to be in reality too that's not going to inflate my ego and be like oh wow I must be absolutely gorgeous then I have
03:12:16
Female Panel (mixed)nothing else to work on because he would no you know it's it's not like I'm there's so much I have to work on Within Myself to be relationship material and that you know and also looks wise too and just
03:12:27
Female Panel (mixed)because he's you know going to do that with me doesn't make me a 10 I'm still going to again say that what what I truly believe I am I I don't think women are you've maybe you've had a sexual
03:12:40
Brian Atlasencounter with like a hyper attractive guy doesn't necessarily mean like you're forever beholden to like you know it's going to spell Doom for
03:12:50
Brian Atlasall your other relationships but like let me ask it this way um have you guys um ever like hooked up with a guy who was like had a bunch of roommates and he actually like not just housemates like
03:13:02
Brian Atlashad a roommate and like you got to like schedule that [ __ ] if you're trying to hook up with the dude and it's like some girls even be like [ __ ] the dude and
03:13:11
Brian Atlasthe dude's in the room yeah or like that you you have a roommate this happens in College all the time at least here like locally just because I don't know rent's
03:13:21
Brian Atlascrazy people have like living in triples quads in dorm rooms uh people like are hooking up in front of their roommates it's kind of weird but whatever um have
03:13:31
Brian Atlasyou guys had that experience no no nobody okay how about this have you ever like been I'm trying to think of like the least cringe one have you ever had
03:13:41
Brian Atlasthe experience of uh like a guy who lived in like a I know this isn't like the most important thing like probably you care more about like the guy's character and like whatever but you ever
03:13:53
Brian Atlasgone from like a dude who had his own place to like and then you dated a dude who's like I don't know got like kind of shitty living situation you're kind of like damn it's going to be hard to like go back to like [ __ ] I got to Scamper
03:14:06
Brian Atlasthrough the hallways to get to the bathroom type thing you know it's hard to go move backwards in that similar vein I feel like once you've [ __ ] with a certain type of dude it's like hard to
03:14:18
Brian Atlaslike go back once you've had a certain level of like either treatment or experience it's hard to like that's like your new threshold that's your new standard agree I don't I don't agree
03:14:29
Female Panel (mixed)it's hard but you you you deal with like a a a-lister then you go sluming I get it no he wasn't an a-lister he was a nobody anyway I dated a guy who before I
03:14:40
Female Panel (mixed)broke up with my ex this past time gave me money $500 for no reason just to go shopping I still went back to my ex when he was sober and I still held more value for him even
03:14:54
Brian Atlasthough I could have had it easy with the guy who sent me$ was the sex better with your ex did you even hook up with that guy I did yeah was the sex better with him no
03:15:04
Female Panel (mixed)the new guy the sex was better no no sex was better with my ex because we had a connection yeah okay was he is your ex uh taller no more physically attractive
03:15:16
Brian Atlasno [Laughter] D well I mean look there there is something to like continuity right like if you've been in a like a long like you love this guy right yeah you love him so
03:15:29
Brian AtlasI mean there's that there's that component too um but just to be clear um you you were on a break this guy was
03:15:41
Brian Atlasgiving you gave you $500 to go shopping he was more physically attractive uh but you went back to your fenel addicted boyfriend is that your he was sober when I got back with him oh
03:15:52
Female Panel (mixed)excuse me excuse me I don't know if like that's a great argument but I mean I'm just saying like you're saying it's hard to go back I went back I'm telling you my was good yeah I agree with that too
03:16:04
Female Panel (mixed)dick was good but also like I had love for the person I valued that person when he was sober okay all right I don't think it's as hard as you're painting it to be yeah I think that even if someone
03:16:14
Female Panel (mixed)does have say like good sex with another person you could if you really have someone else that you love there's a connection there's so much more depth than just the sex of you can very well
03:16:27
Female Panel (mixed)go back to or the living situation or the money yeah yeah okay sex doesn't Define every friend so well it's not just sex but I mean it could be other components too like
03:16:37
Brian Atlaswhat I mean like the chance of you getting like really hung up hung up on doesn't have to be just like the sex is really good but that could be a component of it it could be like he's just like really physically attractive
03:16:49
Brian Atlasor it could be like his personality is just like he's super charismatic really magnetic whatever it is it could be his status maybe he's got a lot of status maybe he's providing for you in some way
03:16:59
Brian Atlasmaybe he's like paying for dates getting you gifts $500 shopping spree it could be like any number of different things is it like always going to happen not necessarily there's a lot of factors at play here when it comes to relationships
03:17:11
Brian Atlasit's not totally black and white but I mean I would argue that when it comes to women like you guys have access to certain men that'll never give you commitment and then it's just like there
03:17:22
Brian Atlascan be this component of like I do think there's a component of like once you like roll the dice and like land on a dude that you got dickmatized doesn't even have to be sex
03:17:34
Brian Atlaswhen I say dickmatized it just means like his personality was like holy you're just like holy [ __ ] or his looks or his status or his money or whatever he was bringing to the table like you
03:17:45
Brian Atlascan date a certain caliber of dudee that's going to make you think like oh man that could be the like we've had for example this do this isn't all women we
03:17:55
Brian Atlashad a woman on the who on the panel who was married she was married and she was saying while I was having sex with my husband there was that one guy that I
03:18:06
Brian Atlaswas thinking about and she ended up divorcing him and she so it was the sex was really good he was really attractive Etc it's like you can like for you ladies you got to be careful cuz you
03:18:16
Brian Atlascould land on a dude who does that to you and you're like ah the one who got away and then like that's a big L for a dude to be like you're with a girl and
03:18:28
Brian Atlasshe's you're with her right she cares about you she likes you but like in the dark recesses of her mind she's like are you saying intrusive thinking it could be but in the dark recesses of her mind
03:18:39
Brian Atlasshe's like still [ __ ] hung up on her first love or the guy who [ __ ] her really good or whatever it is you know may I speak especially I'll Grant it you have my permission now go ahead go ahead
03:18:49
Female Panel (mixed)um you know actually I here's the thing I think that you have that I'm not admitting to anything okay all right go ahead um I'm saying that human beings
03:19:00
Female Panel (mixed)have 12,000 to 6 6,000 thoughts a day it depends on what thought you attach to we have intrusive thoughts all the time sometimes there are some times where it's better to just keep it to yourself
03:19:13
Female Panel (mixed)rather than being so honest about it and also thinking hey welcome to into my brain I just had this thought in a half of a millisecond do I really truly feel that way no if you have if you're it depends on anyone else's morals and it
03:19:26
Female Panel (mixed)also depends on how much they want to be in that relationship with that other person if they're having sex with that person and they do truly believe it's very sacred but also they just have an intrusive thought for a split second it
03:19:37
Female Panel (mixed)doesn't mean that they're necessarily hung up and people have the choice also to be like that was an experience I had a long time ago that's an intrusive thought I love this person that I'm with and I'm just going to let that thought
03:19:49
Brian Atlaspass by we don't have to Define that's fa thought that we have I I'll actually grant that uh but I'm sure you would acknowledge that while for some women or
03:20:00
Brian Atlasmen even who feel have this experience uh while it could be the case that it's totally benign and there's no actual you know any issue you you would
03:20:11
Brian Atlasalso have to agree that there are women who are like in like new relationships or even long-term relationships who still have feelings for exes there's
03:20:22
Female Panel (mixed)many women out there that do and actually like one of my ex's I liked him so much that I would actually find guys who looked just like him and then be
03:20:33
Female Panel (mixed)with him and just imagine it was him if I being if I being so that's a yikes yeah but I bet we could say the same for men and women too it's not just women men are I've never been having sex with
03:20:43
Madisona girl and like thinking about another girl that's yeah thank you I want give me give me more alkalides I guess I don't know that's just may I add
03:20:55
Madisonsomething sure um I think you make a valid point that women maybe are sabotaging themselves in their dating situation if they're like looking outside of their like League or whatever however I think you're wrong when it
03:21:06
Madisoncomes to when they finally quote unquote settle down being like less satisfied in their relationship because I've actually read statistics that women are more secure and satisfied in their relationships when they feel they are
03:21:17
Andrew Wilsonmore attractive than their partner wait hold on yeah um women are more secure in their relationships if they feel they're about
03:21:30
Andrew Wilsonwhen they're out of the league of their partner yeah but what about the flip side to that I don't know we have to ask a man that's so here's the well here's the flip side the flip side is yeah because then it it's conditional on
03:21:41
Andrew Wilsonoptions and the reason that most women initiate divorces uh over men is because the number one thing is well we have irreconcilable differences not because there's abuse or even money problems
03:21:52
Andrew Wilsonthey just put irreconcilable differences so they prefer to be in the seat of control where they have a higher level of attractiveness so then they have more options that's why or maybe they just feel like they're
03:22:04
Andrew Wilsonless likely to be cheated on because maybe they've been cheated on in the past I don't know there could be a variety of reasons we're both just speculating here well then they wouldn't be then why would they be the ones who would be doing most of the initiation when it came divorce there's plenty of
03:22:18
Madisonreasons maybe the guy just stopped listening maybe he's sitting in his grandma's basement playing video games with Cheeto dust on his OB thought he was the but but if she thought that he was more attractive and the better
03:22:29
Andrew Wilsonoption right that he was not replaceable in that regard probably far less likely to initiate a divorce right just like men if they think okay well uh I don't think that I'm going to be able to get a woman who's more attractive than this
03:22:42
Andrew Wilsonone they're going to be a lot more prone and likely to put up with her [ __ ] right not necessarily if if it ties I that seems to track doesn't it do you think that men are more or less likely
03:22:52
Andrew Wilsonto put up with a woman's [ __ ] because she saw honestly I don't think any of this is depends on the S before red dress Cuts in and destroys another
03:23:02
Andrew Wilsonperfectly good conversation perhaps we can just finish this real quick do you think that men are more or less likely to put up with a bunch of [ __ ] from
03:23:13
Andrew Wilsona woman if she's hot more more less likely more likely but we're talking about the opposite here no no no we're not we're not really if that's the case then it would put the control grid of
03:23:25
Andrew Wilsonthe like hot Matrix up front so if they were settling for a man they thought they were more attractive than that would put them in the condition of control whereas the opposite if they were settling for a man is more
03:23:36
Andrew Wilsonattractive put him in in the situation where he was in control so if that's the case then um it makes sense that oh this guy will put up with a lot more [ __ ]
03:23:48
Female Panel (mixed)from me because I'm more attractive than he is right that makes sense doesn't it well more likely yes is that the way it is I mean as a as someone who was
03:23:59
Female Panel (mixed)married to someone who was very very very attractive like ex Olympic water polo player six-pack abs tall dark and handsome I I I still initiated that but
03:24:10
Andrew Wilsonit it wasn't just because he was hotter than me it was also because his personality I but I've heard you talk right and I've heard you say that you think uh your assessment of your own attractiveness
03:24:22
Andrew Wilsonlevels and this and that uh the fact that you have movie stars or something like this who are available at your beck and call to SLE with and things like
03:24:32
Andrew Wilsonthis if well okay I'm being hyperbolic but you know rock stars whatever they are you know a aess SBS whatever it was that you were mentioning that you had at your beck and call doesn't seem like you
03:24:43
Andrew Wilsonthink that a man like that is not replacing from your standpoint so this is uh this actually makes my point not yours right now now on the other hand is
03:24:54
Andrew Wilsonyour ex right do do you think that he has Rockstar women and famous women at his beckin call probably not I think he'd be stuck with what he was doing
03:25:05
Brian Atlasyeah but yeah see what I mean so I mean it makes my point really uh do we have the age thing y
03:25:14
Andrew Wilsonokay we're going to pull up the age forwarded photos let's do it okay I have to point this out though for chair one okay cuz my chat's been saying this nonstop so I have to tell you what
03:25:26
Female Panel (mixed)they're saying they call you Tulsi blabber I don't know who that is but I you don't know tulsy Gaber is I just think that I just thought it was really funny but I don't know who that is I get Whitney Cummings a lot
03:25:37
Female Panel (mixed)though and sometimes and Megan Fox a lot yeah Megan Fox I when I'm at the club cuz I'm a stripper too I forgot to say that uh I also get that sometimes but I
03:25:48
Brian Atlasget Brad P leave it out I get Brad Pit Brad Pit Brad Pit George Clooney all the time you know yeah yeah yeah I can see that all right uh go ahead pull it
03:26:03
Female Panel (mixed)up that's bad all right next I don't know these are like still smash hey it's nothing but a mini face lip can fix that okay go next I know a good plastic are pretty low res
03:26:16
Female Panel (mixed)where's uh next wow that's ugly we need higher res ones uh next really
03:26:24
Brian Atlasugly still hot I told you in 10 years next okay she's the 10 I told you the glasses are doing a lot of heavy lifting on this
03:26:35
Brian Atlasone oh please she's 10 still hot still hot where's ghost when you need them okay next [ __ ] I'm so scared she's
03:26:47
Brian Atlasthat all right oh hell no oh we got a here guys uh we're going to do twitch we got a video we got an mg speaking of Megan Fox we're reacting to a V video of
03:26:56
Brian Atlasuh her boyfriend husband oh MGK uh but first let's go to Twitch guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever guys help us get to
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03:27:39
Brian Atlasyou all right uh pull up the uh get that MGK video I want to get the panel's reaction on this it's kind of old but somebody sent it to me I want and so it
03:27:50
Brian Atlasuh pull it up don't play it right away but oh you ready yes we're getting it pulled up guys like
03:28:00
Brian Atlasthe video like the video enjoying the stream guys like the video all right so um this woman uh well we'll just go ahead and play it
03:28:14
SPEAKER_07hello are you I love your hair it looks great the best I ever got thank you so
03:28:25
SPEAKER_07much ni toet thanks for bringing like I'm really jealous of your your hoodie that is fire and just let it play through oh wait hold on let it play
03:28:36
Brian Atlasthrough let's watch the hug again leg around crotch crotch thrust pause it pause it uh so we're going to read uh it says
03:28:48
Brian Atlasthis was the best day of this is the woman posting this her husband is recording it this was the best day of my life Coulson and I had quite the isolated moment of Good Vibes after this
03:28:59
Brian Atlashe's such an amazing man uh by the way best day of her life uh thank you to my husband for this surprise interaction of a lifetime um and the husband said I got
03:29:11
Brian Atlasyou passes and next week you're going to go meet him so there's a couple things here one she's saying this is the best day of my life two she's with her H
03:29:20
Brian Atlashusband is that an appropriate hug to give a man who is not your husband absolutely not anybody depends
03:29:31
Female Panel (mixed)on the man whose it is I wait why are we looking at a video that has 724 likes wait why do we care oh my God bro what what is what do
03:29:41
Backgrounddepend on the relationship I think that was really dis anything to do with it doesn't have enough likes for she she no I'm just like why are we come together this make sure we get it up to 1.5k so
03:29:54
Brian Atlasthat we can talk about wait you know what I agree if George if the George Floyd video only had a 100 likes it wouldn't be worthy of news coverage that's a great Point stop
03:30:07
Backgroundit Brian I can't bre no I'm just wondering why we care about it I don't know I just don't care I because it's I don't see why the matter this is like
03:30:18
Brian Atlassomething that could arise in some dating situation oh yeah okay oh my God how about here what video do you want us to react to find us a video we'll react to that [ __ ] no what do you want to talk
03:30:29
Brian Atlasabout yeah it's really inappropriate that she put his leg up on his Kong like that l oh and also did you see the ab
03:30:38
Female Panel (mixed)rub after that was hand on stomach crazy let me get a she treated she treated him like guys treat me at the strip club it's very exactly the same how would you
03:30:50
Female Panel (mixed)feel if you were her husband cuz I wouldn't be okay go ahead I believe it's truly aorn behavior and honestly I think that if you should have first of all respect and boundaries for your partner
03:31:03
Female Panel (mixed)that partner is probably going to be very that probably put a new insecurity on him as well as the fact that you're taken and if you really love someone just because you might have a celebrity crush that does not you can give them a
03:31:15
Female Panel (mixed)hand handshake and really tell them hey I really admire you can think in your head you may have some desire fantasy somewhere but you can say hey I really admire you been listen to your music for a long time and I just want to say that you got me through some bad days and
03:31:28
Female Panel (mixed)then take a photo that's it respect your partner as well as not humiliating your partner you know as well as the fact that he's also that MGK he's also taken
03:31:38
Female Panel (mixed)as well so that's disrespectful to disrespectful to uh Fox so I just and also just uh everywhere I I think that
03:31:47
Female Panel (mixed)girl really needs to do some reflecting and also that that guy however he felt I think it's okay to voice it your reaction into the mic
03:31:59
Female Panel (mixed)um yeah I mean I feel like it's just like not that cool because it's like you're like I don't know I feel like it puts the husband in like a like like that's kind of embarrassing for him for
03:32:10
Female Panel (mixed)sure especially on social media um I understand like okay she likes his music once again but like I don't know I just feel like it's embarrassing for the husband and more importantly like I don't think you want to embarrass your
03:32:20
Female Panel (mixed)partner and like your reaction um I feel like the husband bought her tickets to go see him he's clearly not insecure about it the hug itself was weird like I don't know I'm
03:32:31
Female Panel (mixed)not like that fan behavior is really weird to me in general but like I don't feel like the husband was triggered by it like I don't feel like that bothered him like she's clearly a huge fan of him has been wanting to see him whatever the
03:32:42
Brian Atlascase is oh well I have criticisms of the man too here like one you're a cuck that's what I was going to say like cucks are hard bro how
03:32:50
Andrew Wilsonyou going to like how you going to bring your wife to go meet another dude yeah like you ever seen those like crisp BR that's fine you know because after all
03:33:02
Andrew Wilsonhe got her ticket for the behind the scenes event the next week I mean it was really nice I he thought that the hug was going to go that way at all so him seeing that was like wow that's didn't know it was going to really go that way
03:33:15
Female Panel (mixed)I thought you were just going to kind of shake his hand but kind of went all the way up his butthole I just don't think that's right it's a meet and greet though like if you're paying to meet the celebrity you know you're going to get a hug or a picture out of them the groping was weird like I'm not defending her on
03:33:28
Female Panel (mixed)that like that was weird but well there's layers to it right but I think the husband went into this knowing like there was going to be some form of a emotional interaction with her and it could have just been like her like oh my God I'm touching this person that I
03:33:40
Female Panel (mixed)idolize and I love and it could have just I don't know it was weird but still I mean it is MGK though it is no I mean but
03:33:52
Brian Atlaslike I don't I'm not really I don't follow his music is he like he's a rapper like has he done like profound like is he like has he done like an Eminem
03:34:02
Brian Atlasstand he's dog sh thank thank you I I don't feel like he's on this like insane level where it's like your music touch it touched me I don't know I don't
03:34:14
Brian Atlaslisten to his [ __ ] I don't know I don't either I really genuinely think something's going to touch that lady that's for sure do you think like she would if the
03:34:25
Female Panel (mixed)husband gave yes a pass she would [ __ ] him absolutely that's a yikes major yikes and it's a yikes for morals as well if you even if you find them the most attractive if you have morals and
03:34:36
Female Panel (mixed)also are in a loyal relationship and you love them enough even if you have to have the self-control to say no no I will I will not even if I saying if it
03:34:46
Female Panel (mixed)was Snoop Dog I would do 10 times worse than that and I don't care about the morals okay in your husband Snoop Dog
03:34:57
Female Panel (mixed)would you also Snoop Dog I don't think I would grope anybody no just would you hit like would you smash Snoop Dog D to
03:35:06
Brian Atlasthe Double G or whatever yeah yeah yeah the Dizzle he's so Unk now to the I love it I'm thinking like the wuang clan something I don't know um okay I know
03:35:18
Madisonsnoob so I can hook you up if okay why are you looking at her me go around the table your reaction to the clip um I mean I guess it depends on
03:35:30
Madisonthe relationship but would I hug MGK or any celebrity like that no I think that's not right for my relationship but and my biggest problem with it really is that if it was switched and that was Megan Fox and a guy hugged her that way
03:35:43
Madisonit would be like oh my God that guy's such a creep blah blah blah so I just think that's a double standard honestly that bothers me more than anything that girl is just as creepy for that fair is your reaction I don't think the husband
03:35:53
Female Panel (mixed)cares but that was a weird hug ga yeah I don't think it mattered I agree with her the groping was a little weird but um if it's the best day of her life so be it I
03:36:05
Madisondo do you think here imagine the best day of your life being hugging another man who's not your husband I'm pretty sure she was exaggerating like when people say literally but
03:36:16
Andrew Wilsonthat hug look like it was exaggerated to you I mean I'm sure that she had other best days of her life I don't know I mean maybe just arguing for the sake of be of being argumentative but I mean I can put two and two together and best
03:36:28
Andrew Wilsonday of my life groping hug like that concert tickets the next week it's not looking good for him is it like just from the birds I view like just asking
03:36:38
Andrew Wilsonyou directly right it's not looking good for this guy right not looking like if you're if you're not if you if you would just stumbled across this story and it wasn't mean old Andrew who you had an
03:36:49
Andrew Wilsonexchange with earlier in the podcast and you you weren't just being disagreeable because you hate my guts but rather we're just looking at the story itself is not looking good for him
03:37:01
Female Panel (mixed)right also I do I do wonder do you think she's ever hugged her husband like that I don't she probably has never she
03:37:13
Female Panel (mixed)definitely taken in the butt by him so that mtk thing is nothing I want to count how many whats I get I think it's I think I think it's a
03:37:23
Female Panel (mixed)it's also a part of like dehumanizing as well because when you idolize someone and you're you sexualize them and everything like that I think it's different when you meet them and you
03:37:35
Female Panel (mixed)know hey this is a person he poops pees just like all of us also he's married and also he just has feelings also people normally have boundaries hey maybe don't touch me there you know meet
03:37:46
Female Panel (mixed)you so maybe it just you know be best to also respect not only your partner but just them as a human being and just maybe just focus on what I mean they want to do for their fans anyway is for them to want to focus on their Artistry
03:37:58
Brian Atlassure all right music we're going to get through the pre-show notes here I'm going to try we're a little behind uh there's a lot to get through so I'll try to get through it quickly uh so Kiki going back to your notes you said that
03:38:11
Brian Atlasuh dating topics you'd like to speak on men wanting to receive men not needing to put in the work what do you mean by that I feel like I've just seen that time and time again where it's like you know they just I don't know I just feel
03:38:24
Female Panel (mixed)like they like don't want to pick you up they don't everything they want to like meet you halfway and all that stuff and they want to feel like like you text me good I don't know like you text me you call me you hit me up you do this you do
03:38:35
Brian Atlasthat and I just think it's ugly okay uh any girls here agree with that just show fans I suppose okay uh you also so I'll I'll kind of address that but I'll get
03:38:47
Female Panel (mixed)through some of your notes here you said why has basic standards of courting gone out the window yeah for all of us not just men like for like all of us like I feel like in myself too like I've treated people badly I've been treated
03:38:59
Brian Atlasbadly you mean men you've treated badly how so um I definitely just in my past like you hit and quit it uh yeah I that's bad for men they wanted more and
03:39:10
Female Panel (mixed)you were like no no I've like done Deuces no um it's just certain you know personal experiences that we've all you know yeah how did you treat somebody
03:39:19
Female Panel (mixed)like a guy badly I guess um you cheated yeah I did once uh when I was like a lot younger I uh yeah and I feel really bad about it and uh either way how long were
03:39:30
Female Panel (mixed)you dating that guy um was it the fiveyear guy no but uh it was like somebody on the off um yeah and I feel pretty bad about that it's those experiences back in high school when
03:39:42
Brian Atlasyou're not really you right yeah like I'm this is me like as underclassman in high school like the prefrontal cortex like the prefrontal cortex not fully developed you know yeah that's what I'm talking about yeah um but so you said standards of courting that's what I'm
03:39:55
Female Panel (mixed)saying I think in our generation we've just been taught to like with Tinder and with like a lot of things in that way we've kind of been we've just thrown like it out the window where it's like yeah come over immediately and all this stuff but I'm just thinking it's boring like I want to go out and hang out with you and do something I don't want to
03:40:08
Female Panel (mixed)just go to your apartment I don't want you to just come to my apartment like I'm that's but did you did do that though yeah done it but I'm like
03:40:17
Brian Atlasnot I'm not like a we not not into it you want the courtship right yeah much but you said you said it was like on
03:40:27
Brian Atlasboth men and women's Parts um so I guess what you already kind of mentioned like guys not wanting to pick you up oh let's meet there um maybe what are some of the other things that men are not doing when
03:40:40
Female Panel (mixed)it comes to the basic standards of courting like planning things or being like Oh like whatever we'll figure it out I don't know just like not hot like I'm just trying to find like an example like you know what's hot like them being on
03:40:51
Brian Atlastime taking control like that's hot sure um and then you mentioned though that this isn't Just For Men it's also women I guess in what ways are women not
03:41:02
Brian Atlasholding up to courtship standards
03:41:10
Female Panel (mixed)um I don't know I'm thinking like I don't know like maybe yeah like maybe like the constant like I've had open relationships before and that's been on my terms where I was like yeah I want to have an open relationship
03:41:21
Female Panel (mixed)uh and I feel kind of bad cuz I feel like I was just kind of what an open relationship means to me personally and I regret doing this to other people is um I'm not I need you to fill my cup I feel I'm going through something I want
03:41:34
Female Panel (mixed)your attention and vice versa because this has happened to me as well uh so I'm going to stay with you for the companionship but I don't feel like there's enough there to be like loyal to you like or only think about you and I
03:41:45
Female Panel (mixed)regret doing that and I think it's a waste of time I wish I spent more time uh completely single I've definitely spent time single but like I said I started dating when I was 14 so that's kind of like not I wouldn't recommend
03:41:56
Brian Atlasthat to like other younger people um and you so you were you said that men who like receiving or don't take pride in putting in the work like picking girls up paying on the first date like just
03:42:07
Female Panel (mixed)inviting girls over um unless that's like what both of you are down for like you're like yeah I just want to like have sex tonight whatever like can I ask you a quick
03:42:18
Female Panel (mixed)question to interject very quickly um what do you think chivalry is um I think it's the proof of I like I said I like proof um it's the proof that
03:42:29
Female Panel (mixed)I'm like willing to show that I like you the proof of I'm on time I'm picking you up I'm taking you here it's not about them like giving me what I want it's the proof that I know I like okay I'm I'm
03:42:40
Brian Atlaswanted does the woman have to be on time too um mhm yeah so if I pick you up and you're running 30 minutes behind yeah that's not nice that's disrespectful
03:42:51
Andrew Wilsonyeah how late were you for the show jewelry was a code it was a code that Nights Live by for a proper reason I was late inside of inside of this code women were valued and the reason that they
03:43:03
Andrew Wilsonwere highly valued is because they were considered pure and chased and so men would actually fight to the death for them very famous two French Knights uh French I can't believe it but they
03:43:13
Andrew Wilsonactually fought each other Jee and Jac because one ESS the other one's wife and they took it petition to the king he wouldn't uh he wouldn't assist so he challenged him to a duel and he killed
03:43:25
Andrew Wilsonthe much larger Knight why because the woman he was fighting The Duel on behalf of was a pure woman when he married her he had fought tooth and nail to take her hand
03:43:34
Andrew Wilsonin marriage right so if there's not the Chastity and the Purity and The Virtue aspect for women why in the hell should
03:43:44
Andrew Wilsonany man ever ever in a million years extend the code of chivalry that's that I've never understood that I guess that makes sense to a certain degree but it's also just once again like the intentions
03:43:56
Female Panel (mixed)of people and also marriage is a very long thing like marriage lasts forever and I'm not saying I'm opposed to either well I like obviously I'm in like a state of wanting to be like more exclusive but what I'm trying to say is it also makes sense to me when you know
03:44:09
Female Panel (mixed)if you're married for the rest of your life and you start dating at 18 like it makes sense that maybe you want to like have a relationship where you value each other's partnership and time and like you know you know partnership in life but you know you also need to like
03:44:22
Female Panel (mixed)breathe a little bit because you've been dating since you were teenagers and such the same thing with my ex like since we started dating when I was literally 14 it kind of make I mean I'm happy that we were off and on because my development as a human being wouldn't have been you
03:44:33
Female Panel (mixed)know healthy if I was consistently with my ex from age like 14 to 19 like that's crazy that's not good for me so well wait wait a second so I mean at the at
03:44:44
Female Panel (mixed)the same time that you're saying that compromising virtue right is actually good for you because it gives you because it gives you experience or something like no I'm not saying compromising virtue in a sense of like yeah have sex with a ton of people or
03:44:56
Female Panel (mixed)not but what I'm trying to say is there is a lot of any people pardon about any people but if you're not with somebody then that makes sense to have sex with people you know learn new things about people like not just sex this would be but this would be a compromise this
03:45:09
Female Panel (mixed)would be a compromise on the virtue of Chastity right well if you're on and off with somebody and you're like off and you've been dating for 5 years and you're learning new things about people and it's not just that like being single there's more to being single hang on can
03:45:22
Andrew Wilsonyou answer this question okay how is that not a compromis in virtue if I'm off with somebody and I have sex with somebody else yeah if you're well the ass if I'm not dating somebody and sex somebody else is that
03:45:33
Andrew Wilsonhang on if you expect chivalry the idea that men will sacrifice literally everything on behalf of a woman and they will by the way right uh why shouldn't they virtue in exchange I mean to a
03:45:47
Female Panel (mixed)certain extent yeah that makes sense like that's why what I'm trying to say is I've changed my brain I'm happy that I was on and off and I've lived and now I'm in a relationship and now you know I'm going to be loyal to him and he treats me well is that what you want I
03:45:59
Andrew Wilsonthink that's the the answer right well I mean I'm just I'm just asking you that's how I feel I'm just wondering but it seems like you're kind of speaking out of both sides right like on the one hand you say yeah but I need new experiences
03:46:11
Female Panel (mixed)and this and that because of the age that we met and the duration of how long that relationship lasted at that age you know I mean you shouldn't I don't think I think I it's not a great idea to be with
03:46:22
Female Panel (mixed)somebody for your entire teenagehood that's a developmental time of your own sense of self and if you're dating somebody then why be with anybody well that's kind of what I'm saying you know yeah you shouldn't be with anybody in
03:46:34
Andrew Wilsonyour teenagehood I would agree with that yeah so when you're old enough to make decisions to be with people though right the idea here uh with chivalry if you if you want to know why chivalry is dead
03:46:45
Andrew Wilsonthe old line is because women killed it the idea here is that um if men are supposed to have an uncompromising value towards women where they'll pay for everything they'll take good care of you they'll fight the dragon slay the
03:46:58
Andrew Wilsonproverbial dragon as it were on your behalf to have a token from my lady then they want to have chassity and virtue in exchange that's what I want from my there is no there is no chassity and virtue to be found in modernity so why
03:47:11
Female Panel (mixed)the hell would anybody ever expect there to be that sort of chivalry all right from my understanding of relationships I agree with you I'm loyal to my boyfriend and he's like what's the word he's respectful to me that's not you know
03:47:24
Female Panel (mixed)everybody but that's what how that's where I am and that's how I feel so sherly I can't say that word I'm sorry thank you chivalry say it with me
03:47:33
Female Panel (mixed)shivalry chivalry chivalry thank you Andrew um shivy all right go ahead so then I would
03:47:43
Female Panel (mixed)say would you not protect your sister if she got ID or would you not protect your mom if somebody treated her bad or your dad I I feel like the reason that is
03:47:54
Female Panel (mixed)dead is because women stopped becoming property and so when you have property yeah go ahead I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut off go ahead oh no worries it's okay
03:48:03
Female Panel (mixed)Andrew um so I feel like women are no no longer kind of considered that we're we're considered more of our own entity um and I would say that's kind of the
03:48:15
Andrew Wilsonreason why Everything's changed M I agree you cons considered your own entity a are you going to take your husband's last name no we're making our own last name together of course you are
03:48:25
Andrew Wilsonso anyway so so this it Thrills so so hang on so so this aside right the if you think about it actually makes sense if a husband did actually consider you to be an extension of him then he would
03:48:38
Andrew Wilsonprotect you mhm right because you're his other half or you're part of him yeah so of course he protects you and will do whatever he can make what whatever sacrifices he possibly can for you but if you're not willing to make this the