Did She CHEAT?! Men Make ZERO Effort?! They DEMAND Trad Men BUT Are THEY Trad?! | Dating Talk #217
Date: 2024-12-02
Duration: 9h 44m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_04TTS Voice(audience)
SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Madison(guest)
SPEAKER_12Alexis(guest)
SPEAKER_13Female Panel (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_14Brian Atlas(host)
Key Moments
00:05:03
QuoteMadison says she hooks up with Rogue's polyamorous boyfriend: 'I play with Madison's husband all the time and it's different than when I play with my own partner'
“I play with Madison's husband all the time”
00:23:59
QuoteSienna/Rogue defends OnlyFans economics: 'You could get so much for $200 on OnlyFans' (in response to $200 TTS saying 'delete your OF accounts')
“you donated $200 just to say that and like you could get so much for $200 on off”
00:39:43
ControversyAndrew Wilson cites 2011 study: gonorrhea rates among adult performers are 64x higher than general population and 18x higher than LA County residents aged 18-29
“just as of 2011 just to just to tell you um the studies found that goria rates alone were 64 times higher than the general population and 18 18 times higher than Los Angeles County”
01:14:17
Key MomentBrian presents the 'McDonald's vs five-star restaurant' analogy for sex: men who just want casual sex from women take them to five-star restaurants, while men who truly like a woman go 50/50, paralleling women making relationship men wait while sleeping quickly with hookups
“all the exes all the the guy all his exes uh got five star meals but uh and no change in financial status uh she gets McDonald's”
01:45:59
QuoteAndrew Wilson: 'You can't unsuck a dick' — on the irreversibility of high body count and its effect on male attraction
“there's an old proverb um you can't unsuck a dick right”
01:52:09
QuoteBrian Atlas: 'Men are not vending machines in a similar way where you put sex tokens into and you get a relationship out of them'
“men are not vending machines in a similar way where you put sex tokens into and you get a relationship out of them”
02:28:03
OtherSelf-ratings round: Rogue 7-8, Maya 9, Sienna 3.5 (very candid about weight), Kiki 7, Melissa 10 (banter about non-corrective glasses), Madison 8 (7.5-8), Giana 9, Andrew 10
02:28:37
QuoteSienna rates herself 3.5: 'I truly believe I am a 3.5 and I have had um sexual relations with someone that was um more attractive and that doesn't inflate my ego'
“I believe I am a 3.5 and I have had um sexual relations with with someone that was um you know I guess what would you say out of do they say out of your league”
03:26:03
Key MomentBrian pulls up his ex-girlfriend's bow video — she greets him with food and performs a deep bow. Extended panel reaction; Brian explains he trained her to bow deeper over time.
“this was after a long I took this video was after a long day at the podcast Studio my expectation is like she has to hit a bow”
03:42:50
ControversyAndrew Wilson presents the chivalry-virtue exchange argument: 'If you expect the code of chivalry — why in the hell should any man ever extend that if there's no chastity and virtue in exchange?'
“if there's not the Chastity and the Purity and The Virtue aspect for women why in the hell should any man ever ever in a million years extend the code of chivalry”
04:13:51
QuoteBrian on the office clip analogy: 'Lead me — lead me when I'm in the mood to be led' — describing women wanting leadership from men but only conditionally
“Lead Me lead me when I'm in the mood to be led”
04:52:27
Key MomentBrian shows video of his ex-girlfriend bowing to him when he comes home — 'bow boom, huge bow'
“bow boom huge bow you see that look at the bow look at the depth”
06:35:00
ControversyRacism/white privilege debate: Andrew argues that systems which say minority groups can't be racist toward white people create their own systemic problem. Cites Barbary slave trade of Europeans, Irish oppression, Italian oppression.
07:56:23
QuoteBrian reveals his BLM (Big Labia Matter) Instagram post was mistaken for Black Lives Matter by a girl he was about to date — she cancelled the date thinking he hadn't posted a black square
“she thought it was black Liv matter but it was the big laia thing”
08:21:45
QuoteBrian reveals his father was born in Algeria, North Africa — making him 'technically African-American.' Extended banter with panel about this.
“my dad was born in North Africa in uh Algeria technically I'm African-American”
09:39:53
OtherGiana performs a spider/backbend contortion move on the floor at the end of the show — panel is amazed. She is a trained contortionist (mother is gymnastics teacher).
“okay okay make sure you can or you want me to move this huh go okay you're good wait you're doing it”
Topics Discussed
00:02:23
Guest Introductions
Brian introduces panel and each guest states their name, age, location, occupation, and relationship status in turn. Rogue (32, Reno, OnlyFans/pole/radiology), Maya (24, CA/Michigan, OnlyFans), Sienna (21, Torrance, student), Kiki (20, LA, digital marketing student), Melissa (23, LA, social media), Madison (35, SF, married/OnlyFans/Pilates), Alexis (23, LA, flight attendant/bartender), Giana (18, LA, model).
00:06:20
Relationship Status Round
Panel discusses current and past relationships. Rogue is polyamorous with 4-year boyfriend. Maya single 2 years. Sienna single 3 weeks (just ended 2.5yr relationship with fentanyl addict). Kiki in new 1-month relationship from LA Fashion Week. Melissa single 1 month. Madison married 17 years (high school sweethearts, swingers). Alexis single 1 month (4yr relationship ended). Giana single 3 years.
00:25:00
OnlyFans and Sex Work Debate
Extended debate between Andrew Wilson and Madison/Rogue about whether OnlyFans/sex work is harmful to society. Andrew argues it's harmful based on STD rates, trafficking, degradation of marriage values. Madison and Rogue defend it. Discussion of STD testing in the industry vs. general population, sampling bias in studies. Andrew cites 2011 gonorrhea study showing 64x higher rates among performers.
00:51:40
Domestic Violence and Divorce History
Panel discusses whether low historical divorce rates masked higher domestic violence. Andrew argues battery was always illegal. Madison argues many women were trapped and unreported. Debate over falsifiability of 'it was just underreported' arguments.
00:58:20
When Women Have Sex: Fast vs. Slow
Long discussion about women having sex quickly with casual hookups but making 'relationship material' men wait. Brian presents the analogy of men paying more for dates for casual encounters but less (going 50/50) for women they actually like. Panel largely acknowledges the pattern. Andrew draws parallel to make Brian's point. Madison defends her first-night hookup that led to 17 years.
01:14:10
Vasodepression/Oxytocin and Hookup Science
Discussion of oxytocin (bonding hormone in women after sex) and vasodepression in men (buildup creating chase drive, release causing post-nut clarity). Guest argues this explains why making men wait can increase their interest.
01:56:40
Body Count and Virgin Preference
Long debate about whether high body count decreases women's relationship prospects. Andrew argues it limits the pool of quality men. Rogue argues polyamorous Chad wouldn't care. Discussion of whether men prefer virgins, loyalty threshold theory, and whether women are sabotaging themselves by advocating for promiscuity.
02:48:20
Self-Ratings Round
Guests rate their physical appearance 1-10. Rogue: 7-8. Maya: 9. Sienna: 3.5 (very honest, says she needs to lose weight). Kiki: 7 (17 is her favorite number). Melissa: 10 (causes extended banter; Brian removes her non-corrective glasses). Madison: 8 (7.5-8). Giana: 9 (gave 9 last time too). Andrew: 10. Brian teases everyone.
03:10:00
Age Photo Reaction
Brian pulls up old photos of panel members and has guests react/rate them. Extended banter about looking different without glasses.
03:19:00
MGK Fan Groping Video
Panel reacts to viral video of a married woman groping Machine Gun Kelly at a meet-and-greet while her husband watches. Debate about whether the husband was a 'cuck,' whether the hug was inappropriate, and whether she would sleep with MGK if given a pass. Panel is largely critical of the woman's behavior.
03:48:20
Courting Standards and Chivalry
Kiki raises topic of men not wanting to put in effort (not picking girls up, not planning dates). Extended debate about whether chivalry is dead and why. Andrew argues chivalry was tied to female chastity/virtue — if women aren't virtuous, why should men be chivalrous? Discussion of whether women should take husband's last name, who should pay on first date, submissiveness in relationships, traditional gender roles.
04:08:20
Traditional Gender Roles and Submission Debate
Extended debate spanning multiple hours about whether women should be submissive in relationships, whether traditional roles are valid, and hypocrisy of wanting traditional male behavior without reciprocal female behavior. Andrew presents argument that virtue is non-transactional. Brian creates 'The Office' clip analogy about wanting to be led only when in the mood.
04:41:40
DEI and Women in the Workforce
Debate about whether DEI initiatives are justified, whether women were historically oppressed in education, and whether women gravitate toward the same occupations as 200 years ago. Andrew cites Nordic Nations and Jordan Peterson on gender roles. Discussion of female architects designing more functional houses.
04:58:20
Dating Apps vs Meeting in Person
Sienna asks where to meet high-quality men outside of apps. Brian advises approaching in person (campus, activities). Discussion of social anxiety and how being fit helps. Sienna is candid about being overweight and needing to work on herself first.
06:15:00
Can You Be Racist Toward White People
Extended debate about the definition of racism. Alexis argues you cannot be racist toward white people (racism = prejudice + power). Brian presents Barack Obama hypothetical and Obama refusing to hire white janitor. Andrew challenges 'prejudice + power' definition using various examples including the Barbary slave trade. Various guests weigh in.
06:35:00
White Privilege and Systemic Racism
Continuation of racism debate. White privilege discussion — whether it's universal or only applicable to specific white groups (Irish, Italians, etc. weren't considered 'white'). Sienna (half Middle Eastern/El Salvadorian) discusses her perspective. Andrew argues that systems which say certain groups can't be racist create a systemic problem themselves.
08:06:40
Roast Session and Wrap-Up
Chat TTS donations come in roasting the panel. Discussion of Amber Heard's mathematical beauty, Elon Musk as potential date, McKenzie Scott. Brian admits his dad is from Algeria (North Africa) making him technically 'African-American.' Giana performs contortion backbend demo. Final TTS reads and show wrap-up.
Transcript
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04:46:27
Brian Atlaslike Dei right so like when it comes to like astrophysics you think um or how about like chemical engineering you think like if it's a black person in there like because of their life experience because they're black they're going to be able to like bring something
04:46:40
Andrew Wilsonnew to mathematics or physics or something I saying if you beat somebody down you're never going to know yeah you didn't really answer my question but women have never been beaten down all the women so like when you say women needed to catch up all of these original
04:46:53
Andrew Wilsonfeminists who made all this original feminist literature were flying all over the world they were highly educated since we've been keeping tabs in the 1700s for public education women have
04:47:02
Andrew Wilsonalways done better when it came to um diplomas and getting degrees they've never been complet uh removed from education was only a few IV League schools where that was the case most men
04:47:15
Andrew Wilsonalso were not allowed to be college educated because they couldn't meet the bare minimal threshhold for getting into those schools and so what's happened now is we've just simply lowered the standards so significantly that now a
04:47:26
Andrew Wilsoncollege degree is the equivalent of an eighth grade education ask me how I know because I argue with people who have doctorates phds right uh master's degrees in every sort of field you can
04:47:37
Andrew Wilsonimagine and absolutely destroy them uh and it's because they're so [ __ ] stupid that what what it what literally what's happened is you took the standard this high standard the threshold barrier
04:47:49
Andrew Wilsonfor entry and lowered it so significantly that anybody could do it College was about rewarding the best and the brightest not everybody could go in fact almost almost nobody could go and
04:48:00
Andrew Wilsonso this this idea that women just were historically oppressed and they just haven't caught up there's no barrier to entry for any job for women and there hasn't been for about 40 years and
04:48:11
Andrew Wilsonthey're still doing the same [ __ ] that they were doing in 7 in the year 1700 the same [ __ ] service industry uh basic educational work secretary clerical work
04:48:21
Andrew Wilsonsex work same [ __ ] [ __ ] they've always been doing so you tell me when when is it that you think women are going to dive into the construction field and and get on the oil rigs and
04:48:34
Andrew Wilsonstart building [ __ ] society and infrastructure when do you think that's going to be how many years do you think it's going to take before women decide that they're going to do those jobs because they've been so historically oppressed I mean I know women who roof
04:48:46
Andrew Wilsonhouses and are welders you don't know any [ __ ] welding so full of [ __ ] what are their you know what tell me the woman's name who who you know who does welding what Roofing Roofing we [ __ ]
04:48:57
Female Panel (mixed)her once what was her name yeah you don't know her you don't know I swear so you don't you don't know their name look I've never I I've been very honest on this podcast and I'm telling you I do know a roof for woman here I'm going to
04:49:09
Backgroundhave you pull up an info there abely more in the field my that women are going to totally get into construction I'm I'm saying that we're up one sec I'm going to why why are we harping on woman
04:49:23
Female Panel (mixed)doing construction we should be talking about things like banking Finance like obviously men are stronger than women we all know this so yeah it makes a little bit more sense for them to go into the construction field okay but if you want to talk about smarts I don't think NE like why aren't we discussing things
04:49:35
Brian Atlaslike Banking and like open the new let's discuss it well hold on before we do that just while oh sorry go ahead did you open it in the new tab I don't want the Dropbox window
04:49:47
Brian Atlasokay go ahead pull it up all right so it's just look me and Andrew here when we're saying like women don't do this women don't do that we're talking in general here right yeah are there like some women outliers who
04:50:00
Brian Atlasparticipated in some of these jobs go ahead pull it up
04:50:11
Brian Atlasall right top 20 most dangerous us occupations and the percentage male logging workers 94.9% fishing workers 99.9% aircraft Pilots
04:50:21
Female Panel (mixed)94.8% roofers 98.3% and then you know we could read the other ones but why are we equating strength to smarts though if we're discussing woman having a leadership
04:50:32
Female Panel (mixed)role in society she brought up she did she did it literally says roers on the I'm sorry I made a generalization but I'm saying that
04:50:41
Female Panel (mixed)typically women are put more into a box because of our strength but I if we can equal that if we don't need if we can have more machines I mean hell Teslas are basically built by machines all the time like you guys are going to be out
04:50:53
Female Panel (mixed)of a job soon too anyway and their argu is is built by a man so just but things aren't going to be like we evolve and we grow and women are still evolving and women are still growing and I feel like
04:51:04
Andrew Wilsonthat's a good thing okay cool um let's play the bow video final thing on the hang on I if you don't mind it's very quickly Brian I just wanted to point out uh female jobs most female jobs by
04:51:17
Andrew Wilsonoccupation preschool kindergarten teacher medical record specialist childcare workers speech uh language pathologist dental hygienist skincare specialist dental assistants medical secretaries
04:51:28
Andrew Wilsonsecretaries executive secretaries dietitian secretaries the list goes on and on if you compare this directly to the same occupations that they had 200
04:51:37
Andrew Wilsonyears ago minus only two based on Tech technology it's the same occupations with men that's the same didn't exist 200 years ago also see this in the Nordic Nations they became more
04:51:50
Andrew Wilsonegalitarian Jordan Peterson's brought this argument up many times as Nordic Nations became more egalitarian people move more towards their gender applicable roles and so every single time we see this whether it's in an
04:52:02
Andrew Wilsonegalitarian non-egalitarian society they're always moving towards the same exact roles I do these ones okay yeah but men have been building houses and doing like heavy stuff for like ever I do have to move things on otherwise if
04:52:14
Brian Atlasyou guys want to get out of here at a reasonable hour we can't keep the railing off of go ahead pull it up go ahead this is my ex-girlfriend by the way huge bow boom uh so this was after a
04:52:27
Brian Atlaslong I took this video was after a long day at the podcast Studio my expectation is like she has to hit a bow like when I come home when she greets me she's got my dinner ready it was a long stressful
04:52:37
Brian Atlaspodcast day scampering she's got to Scamper be quick you know uh opens the beer for me that's very nice of her I had just scold her about the tomato bowl there I that's gross that she
04:52:48
Brian Atlasjust Tomatoes just not prepared uh Play it again and then just the bow boom huge
04:52:58
Brian Atlasbow you see that look at the bow look at the depth her I mean I had to get her on uh with the program because at first it was like like only a 10% um bow but then finally we' got her about like 40% damn
04:53:12
Brian Atlasyou're really going to love when the Tesla robots come out are you going to put one of those heads on the top of one ha that was that was a good one good job good joke um uh well I mean it is interesting like the sex robot
04:53:24
Brian Atlasconversation like that's going to that'll be interesting but uh and they'll build your houses for you too yeah that sounds like a good idea so um I guess going around the table would you bow for your man starting with you go
04:53:35
Brian Atlasahead I bow for my man every day into the mic into the mic go ahead sorry I bow for my every day what about you yes cool what about you yes okay would you bow for your guy yeah oh okay all right I wasn't
04:53:48
Madisonexpecting that would you would you bow for your man maybe that's sounds like a no but okay as maybe a joke but not in all seriousness I'd probably take that Alien Probe in my ass before I do it
04:53:59
Brian Atlasseriously you you'd take a Alien Probe in your ass okay all right about you no wouldn't poow no wouldn't poow okay and you're a maybe changing it to no changing it to no yeah you're changing
04:54:13
Brian Atlasit to no after you heard some of the other women say no I had a second to think about it yeah why um why won't you bow for your men is he going to bow for me as well oh then no well hold on so like going back to the whole like who
04:54:25
Female Panel (mixed)should pay on the first dat thing what if you were like oh men should pay well are you going to pay for him um sometimes I'm saying on the first dat if a man ask me out if a man is asking me to go out with him I do expect you to
04:54:37
Brian Atlaspay if I asked a man yeah have you ever asked have you asked a guy out ever no oh okay that's I could maybe I will yeah but like it it's it totally this
04:54:47
Brian Atlaswhole like whoever asks should pay men at like it kind of ignores the fact that you guys don't ask men out on dates so
04:54:57
Brian Atlasyeah I get it you yeah some women do but like if the reality is you're saying most women yeah yeah most women aren't asking men out of the dates even if a
04:55:07
Brian Atlaswoman has one time at like if even oh I ask men out it's like okay have you asked out more men than have asked you out they'll still say oh no men like overwhelmingly are the ones asking me
04:55:17
Brian Atlasfor first dates so like it kind of conveniently ignores the fact that like it's kind of a very convenient standard for you to have because you don't ask out men you can be in the privileged
04:55:30
Brian Atlasposition of being the one that gets asked out I would be willing to grant that this would be a fair position to have whoever asked should pay if men and women asked each other out at equal
04:55:41
Brian Atlasrates but it's not do you pay on the first date do I pay on the first date uh now I do just because it's like the most Optimum like if you're you're not going to like this
04:55:53
Female Panel (mixed)answer but if you're like looking at dating like a chess board like it is the most optimal move to make so it's not because like you think you should it's because it's like you think that's like or you it's not because you think it's right it's because you think you're
04:56:05
Brian Atlassupposed to and like this is that will get the best results I mean I've also like started dating women who I think are like a bit higher quality like when I was younger I used to be on dating apps and stuff and like if you're
04:56:16
Brian Atlasmeeting there's some like uh hidden gems out there I guess but if you're meeting a girl off a dating app like there's a good chance she's like romantically or sexually involved with another man and
04:56:26
Brian Atlasso like this type of woman is certainly not deserving of like if she's [ __ ] if she's [ __ ] another hold on if she's [ __ ] another guy like yeah I don't think as a guy she deserves for you to pay for her on a date and plenty
04:56:39
Brian Atlasof women have like a sneaky link [ __ ] buddy all the while they're like dating other people like trying to go on dates trying to find like the guy who will actually commit to her yeah not real Fair proposition for me to pay for you
04:56:49
Brian Atlason a date if you're [ __ ] another dude um even if your like romantic interests are divided if you're a girl and you're dating other men yeah I don't think that's a fair proposition that I pay for
04:57:00
Brian Atlasa date but as a guy if you want to maximize your outcomes when it comes to dating yeah you should probably pay for the first date but I've also like elevated the type of women I date so yeah I do pay for
04:57:11
Brian Atlasdates okay yeah longwinded [ __ ] I guess can I have a question of advice then sure um okay so when I'll be ready
04:57:21
Female Panel (mixed)to date when I'm obviously in my time when I'm confident enough to again um I guess now even for us it's I mean for me
04:57:30
Female Panel (mixed)say it's kind of hard to know where to go or how to meet someone without being online because I think it's it has taken over a lot and
04:57:41
Female Panel (mixed)kind of almost had us depend uh for our sort of uh social habits now we'll be like you know not really confident enough to come up to someone and talk to
04:57:52
Female Panel (mixed)them in person because of that social anxiety and so then I guess you're more confident behind the screen right but if you do want to find someone in person and not on an app you know and unless
04:58:04
Female Panel (mixed)but they you don't know if they'd be on an app or not so how how did you find someone that was of high quality that wasn't on an app and where did you do
04:58:14
Female Panel (mixed)you just go to where do you go and and do you go to like a cafe and go church and he finds a godfear and woman and I'm kind I'm just I'm just curious as we are
04:58:26
Andrew WilsonBrian knew the answer I'm just curious Bri knew the answer then he would package that answer and sell it for millions of dollars and every man on planet Earth would buy it nobody has any idea like I guess I'm just I'm I guess
04:58:38
Brian AtlasI'm just curious as this is a we are a lonier generation now I guess I mean um I I want to get right back to the actual conversation that was occurring instead of like just FYI guys we're going to be
04:58:50
Brian Atlashere for very long if we kind of like get into these like derailments every time but um where where do I go where do women go um what do you well what do you recommend then if you're if someone's
04:59:02
Brian Atlasready to date and they don't want to go on I mean are you in college yes I mean you're kind of in like there's going there's really no better time I guess meet someone there right yeah I mean you could you could kind of like linger
04:59:15
Brian Atlasaround after class a little bit you I mean at least from the girls perspective a guy can't do this but you can kind of I guess a guy could do too but he would have to take the proactive role of approaching you can kind of linger a bit you can linger around campus a bit um
04:59:28
Brian Atlasthere's certain like activities that you could become part of I think dating apps are like pretty pretty dog [ __ ] clubs there there's some like you can find good people on dating apps but like you have to kind of like shift through quite
04:59:39
Female Panel (mixed)a few people people um so do you think it would be kind of normal if you were I guess cuz I don't think it's as common anymore as someone will just approach someone and say hey I think you're really attractive are you whatever so do you think it's normal to just I guess
04:59:52
Female Panel (mixed)befriend someone first maybe if you're in the same major or if you're whatever just to be friends first and then go forward with seeing if you're interested in each I don't believe in the starting
05:00:02
Brian Atlasoff with friend [ __ ] I guess how do you how would it work I mean I my personal take on this whether you're a man or a woman like there need to be romantic undertones from the gecko like I don't
05:00:13
Female Panel (mixed)believe in this like let's be friends for 3 months [ __ ] so then who would do you find high value women cuz I'll that's probably where I am anyways so I'll just be there yeah uh where do you find high value women that's what that's
05:00:26
Female Panel (mixed)I think that's what her question was where find the high value women my question with that is okay then if it's if you're saying if you recommend me being doing that at school who should
05:00:36
Female Panel (mixed)approach who then cuz I guess if if as a socially anxious more like society as we're all on our phones I'll look and everyone is on their phone too including
05:00:48
Brian Atlasme so well I mean like there's the gendered answer and then there's also like the person who goes for they what they want answer so regardless of your [ __ ] gender like if there's something
05:00:59
Brian Atlasthat you want in your life you [ __ ] go for it so like all this [ __ ] about oh the guy should approach like I mean so you don't think it's awkward if if a girl approaches a guy no I mean in in fact your success rate as the girl
05:01:12
Brian Atlasapproaching is going to be orders of magnitude higher than if a guy is trying to approach the woman um I guess it keeps being I mean I've been like rejected a few times when I've come up to people but I guess it just doesn't
05:01:25
Brian Atlasand that's made me insecure in a way to like not come up as well as well but I guess if you're saying so I mean I I would say though generally speaking like as a woman um your success rate is going
05:01:36
Brian Atlasto be like way higher if you are approaching men in addition to this even if you do get rejected typically men are going to be way more kind of accommodating they're going to be way more polite like women are pretty
05:01:47
Brian Atlasruthless typically uh when it comes to rejection like sometimes women can be kind of diplomatic when it comes to rejection but other times uh even if you do it in like a super polite way they
05:02:01
Female Panel (mixed)can still like and I good when I've been rejected it was awkward but you know what that's okay like you move on can I do you want some like just just a personal brutal
05:02:11
Female Panel (mixed)honesty I mean um you sure about well I mean look okay I'll just I'm not talking about me right now I'm not I'm not good enough right now to be
05:02:23
Brian Atlaswalked up to and everything like that but when I do look the part and am that way yeah I mean like look the the reality is you seem like a really Pleasant girl I'm sure like a lot of guys I I mean I don't know you that well
05:02:33
Brian Atlasbut you seem kind of pleasant and um all that sort of stuff but I mean when it comes to like I think when it comes to you taking charge in terms of
05:02:43
Brian Atlasapproaching men like I think uh guys are pretty uh guys are kind of uh physical physical so like I mean I think it would help
05:02:56
Brian Atlaslike maybe look I need to lose a couple pounds too I'm [ __ ] I got a dad bog right now I got to lose like 30 40 pounds I think it would be helpful if you're going to take the initiative like I'm going to get [ __ ] if I'm trying
05:03:07
Brian Atlasto approach girls I'm a little chubby right now I'm going to get scorched up same with you like if you're trying to like do cold approach you got to like we both got to lose a bit of weight you know what I'm saying of course I I
05:03:18
Female Panel (mixed)completely agree with that that's why I'm on that I don't mean to waste as much time but I'm saying that um it may be uncommon to say this but yeah I mean
05:03:28
Female Panel (mixed)I as someone that you know as as as fat and heavy as I am it's hey it's harder for it's actually about being honest the attention I get from women has diminished ever since I
05:03:41
Female Panel (mixed)some weight is what it is of course and I think it's also just about the fact [ __ ] I'm not even not only am I not uh like I think attractive enough to come
05:03:52
Female Panel (mixed)up to a man yet but also I don't believe in myself yet I think that because of of how fat I am I'm telling you though like if you got if you got fit you would kill it no of course so I think it's about building you would be you got no it's
05:04:05
Female Panel (mixed)not about that it's about how you feel about yourself if you feel like [ __ ] then guys are going to look at you like [ __ ] but also if you look like [ __ ] and you say you're a
05:04:15
Female Panel (mixed)10 guys are the way she is like I'm totally bro this is y'all y'all be gassing each other but I don't believe any of it and that's true we should totally lose the weight and let me tell you why a lot
05:04:28
Brian Atlasconfidence let me let me tell you why lose the weight bro hold on a shy I'll I'll tell you this like a shy girl who's like within a healthy body fat percentage range is going to like I don't care if steps to a dude awkward
05:04:41
Brian Atlasand shy she's going to go a lot further than abely have any confidence I didn't want to bring fine then she does she just has has to exist I didn't want to bring up guys will approach her I didn't want to
05:04:51
Female Panel (mixed)bring up any quarreling here I don't want to be look I I understand what I am and I I think it's ugly and I don't and also at the same time because you're not
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Female Panel (mixed)I don't being at this at this point in my life and looking and being this heavy it's not just about how I look it's about the fact that I am like it's just not a happy life
05:05:14
Female Panel (mixed)being this heavy you're out of breath when you walk up a set of stairs you're you know you're not able to like I guess uh you know run as much when you're on the treadmill and like stuff like that
05:05:26
Female Panel (mixed)when I'm walking with someone on a date this has happened a lot where we're talking and I'll be out of breath and it's quite embarrassing so obviously you know it's like I myself don't when you're this way and you're not working
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Female Panel (mixed)as much to be better you don't have self-belief you don't have trust within yourself at least I don't so when I do have that and when I do get to a healthy weight so that I can
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Female Panel (mixed)also do what I'm passionate about again dance do whatever and and that I have my priorities straight and everything then I'd be confident enough to come up to a person even if I did get rejected that'd
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Female Panel (mixed)be okay but at least I have the self-belief and trust and like also like it's I think it's about being body neutral I don't think it's about being
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Female Panel (mixed)body positive being perfect just the way you are um I don't know it's it's it's just not it's just I don't think it's should be very encouraged especially
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Female Panel (mixed)with I respect the honesty especially with being look I'm in the 200 lb range that's obesity and that's not healthy and it's not right especially from you know just how I feel on a daily basis
05:06:31
Brian Atlaslook the only reason I brought it up not to like it was you were asking me okay the dating apps suck how do I meet men out in person and oh maybe I could approach them I'm saying like in terms
05:06:43
Brian Atlasof like what you can do right now that you can have control over the number one thing like in terms of maximizing your dating prospects is not going to be like
05:06:55
Brian Atlascurrently you can do it like I think you'll probably still get get guys you know cuz you got the Riz or whatever but it would be it would be to like this is the number it's the number one thing I could maximize right now is myself
05:07:06
Female Panel (mixed)losing weight I think the number one thing would be like hey like get fit you know focus on yourself build a routine as someone who's lost 30 pounds you feel so much better when you do lose the
05:07:18
Female Panel (mixed)weight it has nothing to do about like how you feel a heavyweight person and be a freaking rock star and there's tons of them out there however it's there's nothing wrong with prioritizing yourself
05:07:29
Female Panel (mixed)and your health and it brings other people to you who also prioritize themselves in their health like that's a that's a very good thing so don't be embarrassed about that like we go through body fluctuations but put in the
05:07:42
Brian Atlaswork because you love yourself go to the gym cuz you love yourself like don't don't do it and I think that if I no yes yes no don't go for men I think that if go lose weight to lose weight why you
05:07:55
Brian Atlasgot to sugarcoat this [ __ ] why you guys got to package this [ __ ] with the [ __ ] gift wrapping and the Sparkles and Sh no you're going to lose weight so you can
05:08:05
Female Panel (mixed)lose weight so you can be healthier not still and to live longer and to be able to and especially also with when it comes to pregnancy as well when you're
05:08:16
Female Panel (mixed)pregnant you do have to gain uh more weight as well so if I'm like this right now and I'm pregnant or whatever then gosh that's not going to be that's not going to be very pleasant so I think
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Brian Atlasthat if a guy actually rejects someone because they're overweight I don't think that's actually a Bad Thing everyone has a preference look and but everyone you still get a guy you can still go out there and get a guy I'm just giving you
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Female Panel (mixed)the like whole hard truth of how to maximize ABS getting a d but I think I guess personally what I'm saying here is that you know I think it's about I just want to like you will get a guy when you prioritize yourself when you when you
05:08:52
Female Panel (mixed)work on yourself when you make yourself feel the best and when you do hobbies that you love um you will meet people in those fields she's an incredible dancer if you love dancing keep doing dancing
05:09:02
Female Panel (mixed)like get feel get fit feel healthier and then with all that comes way better stuff yeah and then I think with a person that you find I think it could be like then there a bonus to your life instead of just being your life being the priority of just no matter what I
05:09:15
Female Panel (mixed)look like no matter what I am I'm just going to fine guys or whatever cuz also it could be you're not prioritizing I'm not prioritizing my health my body my house my cleaning habits my uh education whatever so it's like yeah you know it
05:09:27
Female Panel (mixed)could just be a bonus to life what's the big Leia thing about cuz I do have one and you guys support that or what um the um the big labia # big labia matter wait what were saying about surgeries that
05:09:40
Female Panel (mixed)were going on what was yeah there's 10,000 labia plasties a year it's a total tragedy chat should I get one yes or laast because someone doesn't like how it is so there's Ines and aies more
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Female Panel (mixed)Petals on the flower and that's okay here raise raise your hand if you have an Audi I'm like the I'm wait only me that's I'm not revealing anything I
05:10:01
Female Panel (mixed)don't want to R I'm the queen of the wait the BLM movement yes oh that's cool um to watch more yeah I mean the BLM thing just I
05:10:13
Brian Atlasmean yeah I agree you have the most beautiful soul at this table it's okay it's okay it's okay um yeah I guess the whole BLM thing uh that's just basically I I only date women with large labia so
05:10:25
Female Panel (mixed)no is is that mean it's out like that you can shut up maybe Bri will like you is that what shut up I got a chance oh that's why I've seen it differently when I'm when I've watched por before that it's like straight like that but then
05:10:36
Brian Atlassometimes it's like Flappy like that yeah but it doesn't we don't as uh big big lebia Defenders we don't like the term Flappy oh I'm sorry what what's the term I'm offended please use the
05:10:47
Brian Atlasappropriate term uh Audi Audi or large labia or big labia what's the vagina's a vagina right we don't we don't appreciate wizard sleeve we don't
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Female Panel (mixed)appreciate beef curtains we don't appre wasn't that used Bora Wiz sleeve it was like sleeve support that yeah um I'm I'm uh yeah it's
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Brian Atlasyeah it's not than any you know what y'all guys have genitalia preferences you want a guy who's cut you want to gu whatever you want a guy who's a certain size men
05:11:20
Female Panel (mixed)are allowed to also have genitalia preferences and in my case I prefer Audi do you think a larger laia cuz this is a thing with men do you think a larger laia means you've had sex with a lot of
05:11:32
Brian Atlaswomen a lot of that's fake news it's [ __ ] a woman could be a a virgin could have an uh like a massive labia and like a girl could have like a perfect in and have [ __ ] like 100 you
05:11:43
Female Panel (mixed)mean the lips within the lips right that's also there's there's inner inner and outer La so do you think girls that like if girls that have big lab are the
05:11:52
Female Panel (mixed)uh equivalent to guys that have big dicks in his I guess in my world yes you know actually I think that's kind of cool because um I'm not I don't even know anything here but if you're
05:12:05
Female Panel (mixed)sometimes right your friends as girls that are friends we're kind of insecure about it a little bit and we're like hey I can stretch it out like this and like whatever that doesn't look normal cuz it doesn't look like it is important but I guess some people don't looks it how it
05:12:17
Brian Atlaslooks so don't worry guys there's a I mean I'm pretty sure there's a lot ofen Audi and I mean there was this there was this like thing and I think the early days of like uh when it was like still in magazines and stuff not
05:12:30
Brian Atlasreally online where it was like yeah it was the they only had Ines or whatever but this has like changed pretty dramatically when it comes to porn so
05:12:40
Brian Atlasokay like shut up you [ __ ] cumer [ __ ] [ __ ] dummer [ __ ]
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Brian Atlasman the it just goes on wait what on the Kumer Gremlins be cumer [Music] Gremlin uh here this is below the threshold but I'll just read it because it's kind of a nice comment to you chair
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Brian Atlasthree mad props for being real you have better chances of being in a happy marriage than the rest of the women at the table boom roasted I would gladly pay for the first date just have a real
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Brian Atlasthank you hey see she can get it right see [ __ ] I don't know what I'm talking about bro they're ready they're ready hey she's curvy you know they're ready for it okay you're very kind thank you um I'm going to read this chat but we'll
05:13:51
Female Panel (mixed)get right back to the conversation go ahead Giana read this with your gothess all right see three as a 20 year- old 20 year husband who went from earning 20K
05:14:02
Female Panel (mixed)to 160k if you look for a normal guy you are willing to be his support to yeah support him you will succeed my wife is
05:14:12
Brian Atlasnot perfect but perfect for me a that's so kind a it's that's really um that's [Music]
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Brian Atlasreally so beautiful I love the chapping nice yeah so I did want to kind of wrap up really quick the bow conversation going back to you here okay so you were like when it came to the bow you're like
05:14:33
Brian Atlasis he going to bow for me and you're like and I said no and you're like well no way but like do you want a guy to open the car door for you that's the gentleman thing to do yeah yeah but don't you think it would be kind of
05:14:44
Brian Atlasridiculous like the gentleman thing would be for a woman to Bow bowing is Crazy In some cultures maybe sure no in [ __ ] pasty white
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Brian Atlasboy California Surfer Dude culture yeah she can still bow I don't care if she's white Asian
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Brian Atlasblack Latina indigenous Native American Pacific Islander this is crazy what's crazy that you want a woman to bow for
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Female Panel (mixed)you why is that crazy what what is she she's not you don't own her she's not your property she human if you're in a partnership you should have respect for each other I feel like bowing right if you're in a partnership you should pay
05:15:25
Female Panel (mixed)5050 on the first date well me if you ask me on the date asked if you ask if you ask me a
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Brian Atlasdate Venice okay Venice thank you um yeah if you ask me out on a date I'm expecting you to pay if I ask you out on a DAT if I ask you on a date I'm expecting you to Bow and
05:15:45
Brian Atlasbe submissive and do my laundry too no thank you if we go see that's my that's the extra layer here first date expectation she's got to fold my
05:15:55
Brian Atlaslaundry no h don't no she does and she has to in fact I like to make it even you know we mity the the Comforts of
05:16:04
Brian Atlasmodernity washing machine drying machine [ __ ] that at my place I got a [ __ ] what's that called a washboard she has to wash my clothes in a [ __ ]
05:16:16
Brian Atlaswashboard and I got a clothesline she's got a clothesline pin clothesline pin pin that [ __ ] up are you is this wait is this wait are you is this true I am Amish how dare you I'm
05:16:28
Brian Atlasactually Amish you didn't know this no I didn't know yeah uh yes this is real am I okay maybe I'm gullible I don't are you telling the truth I am telling the truth about the laundry thing I'm joking
05:16:39
Brian Atlasabout the washboard although don't tempt me with a good time I will do that [ __ ] I'm going to get a [ __ ] washboard where can I get a washboard Home Depot can you still store I'm going to go to an antique store and get me a washboard
05:16:52
Brian Atlasand clothes should be bamboo just have a man make it for you that's a good idea that's a good idea but wait so going back to this why is it crazy for the
05:17:02
Brian Atlasbow I I just would not bow for somebody I'm I'm a human being I'm but you want the guy to open the car door yeah cuz that's respectful but that takes more effort he's got to okay so he's got to
05:17:13
Brian Atlaslike am I [ __ ] bleeding no start bleeding there's no blood a little bit I you just bleed out of nowhere I just started bleeding it's okay I was like I was scratching I think I scratched too
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Female Panel (mixed)hard anyways whatever I'll take care of it later but uh so is it bad is it just you're going to be just like a little spot okay do you want to get Neo born or something no okay thank you though I
05:17:33
Brian Atlasappreciate it thank you for looking out boo um so anyways what was I saying so uh but the actual physical thing of like
05:17:43
Brian Atlasso here's a bow that's it right it's it's not physically laborious you want a guy he picks you up in his car right his
05:17:55
Brian Atlasuh Mustang and uh you want him to pick you up so he drove to you already right then he's got to get out of the car he's got to get out of the car step out of
05:18:06
Brian Atlasthe car walk around the car open the oh here's the car oh get in close the car door behind you oh you you you all in okay walk back around get back in the
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Female Panel (mixed)car that's more physical labor that would be nice that's the respectful it would be nice for a girl to Bow bro I'm not I'm not saying that any man every man I date has to open every single door
05:18:27
Female Panel (mixed)for me it's respectful it's just nice when men do nice things for you I think it's this it's I think it's not like the physical behind it but like the Sy
05:18:36
Female Panel (mixed)symbolic you know like we are you know okay let's go into this more then um so actually it could be wait can I say both sides actually because if you're if you're saying well that's the symbolic thing for a woman well a man is not a
05:18:49
Female Panel (mixed)servant even if he's going to like open and close the door that's respect right so if it's like if if we're saying then that's respect then a bow would be respect too and that's fine as long as
05:19:00
Brian Atlasthey don't think they don't demean you or going to going back to you that's what they want going back to you then I don't want them okay you said okay so here let me go full circle with this
05:19:11
Brian Atlasthen we got to move on to the next thing otherwise yeah so you said you want a guy to pay for the first date it would be nice would there be here let me you meet up with a guy on the first date and like before you guys even get seated
05:19:24
Brian Atlasmaybe you're planning to go out to dinner and he's like hey by the way uh you we're going to get two checks would the date end there no okay would there be a second date possibly if we have a connection
05:19:39
Female Panel (mixed)you said it was it seemed like the originally it was a big deal to you that the guy PID for the first date it's nice if a man asks me I on a date then yes but you don't ask on Dat okay so you
05:19:50
Brian Atlasexpect we're on the date I like the word expect I like the word expect so okay that's the standard so um what uh you live in LA what do you
05:20:03
Brian Atlasthink is like kind of would be a nice date like $100 is that like what most guys are going to spend or do you just not know how much men spend on dates it really it doesn't really matter if if you took me to a
05:20:14
Brian Atlascoffee shop I wouldn't be mad either like I'm not expecting a noou dinner I just want good conversation do you think it'd be like realistically like a kind of middle-of the road date like $100 for
05:20:25
Brian Atlasthe date is kind of reasonable yeah like $50 you know you get you get a drink you get a meal tip the waiter sure we can just go out for drinks we don't even have to have dinner we can go for drinks
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Brian Atlassure sure but let's just say the dinner in this hypothetical example is $100 and your expectation is you expect
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Brian Atlasthe man to pay let's say you're 21 right 23 oh excuse me 23 um let's say is it uh would it be totally unrealistic for you to go out with a guy who makes $20 an
05:20:56
Brian Atlashour would it be unrealistic yeah like would you like you can conceivably at 23 go out with a guy who's making $20 an hour yeah yeah okay so in order for him
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Brian Atlasto pay for the $100 date in order for him to pay for the $100 date he has to work five hours he has to work five hours to go for the date can you guys be quiet over
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Brian Atlasthat please um okay okay following along yes okay so just to be
05:21:27
Brian Atlasclear the expectation from you to the man is that he has to work 5 hours he has to and let's say he does like would you date a guy who's a construction worker yeah okay and let's say he gets
05:21:39
Brian Atlaspaid $20 an hour your expectation is is that he has to physically labor for five hours mhm to take you on a date I'm not
05:21:50
Brian Atlassaying he has to do anything well that you said the expectation if he wants to he wants to take you on a date okay but you said you would expect
05:22:00
Brian Atlashim right you would expect him to pay for it which entails he has to work 5 hours she said she'd be quot the Coffee Day that you said $100 is it unreasonable for a guy to spend $100 on
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Brian Atlasa for I don't think that's crazy in today's economy okay fine it's $40 and even granting that he is paying for himself and then paying for you his
05:22:25
Brian Atlascontribution towards your part of the date he still has to work one hour to take you out on a date just for what he pays for
05:22:36
Brian Atlasyou okay that that's his choice so what would that entail if he's a construction worker he's doing something physically laborious he's digging a ditch he's laying whatever whatever he's
05:22:47
Brian Atlasdoing you're telling me you would be unwilling to do this that's it yeah
05:22:57
Brian Atlasokay okay it's just interesting that you guys get kind of bent out of shape over this whole bow thing which takes no effort but
05:23:09
Brian Atlasand you wouldn't even do it three months into her you would just never do that [ __ ] but expectation every single time I go on a date with guy he has to pay for the date this entails that he has to
05:23:19
Brian Atlaswork nobody said that X am you it you said you literally said okay here I'll walk you through I'll walk you through theic I'll Lo okay how many he's really so that's it and then 50/50 from then
05:23:31
Female Panel (mixed)then on really possibly maybe May it's interesting that you hate prostitutes but to you a date equates
05:23:39
Brian Atlasto what right no it's about like corresponding roles and expectations no offense this conversation is getting really St we've been talking about it for so long yeah okay thank you for
05:23:52
Brian Atlassharing with that if I feel inclined I'll talk about it for the next three hours so anyways going back to this I'm I was actually just about to wrap this up but so it's just interesting to me
05:24:02
Female Panel (mixed)because the logic and the entailment here is expectation the guy has to pay for the first day that's has to that's what you said I I would like that it would be nice yeah but he doesn't have
05:24:13
Female Panel (mixed)to if we went out on a date and at the end of the date he says can we split the bill sure you and I might go on a second date if I like you if we have a connection
05:24:24
Brian Atlasyou said I mean you're walking back your position now because I've kind of like exposing some of the hypocrisy here but I think I think you just said it would be nice and like it would set a good impression Ian multiple times she said she expects the guy to pay for the first
05:24:37
Female Panel (mixed)aid well it's there's a change of opinion right no you said expect you said expect multiple times expect go ahead well but since we've been like talking about this and stuff if I hear something from you and I would think you
05:24:50
Female Panel (mixed)know what maybe I will Backtrack on that but I'll or say I'll announce hey I take this back or you know uh after uh thinking about it more yeah it would be fine if
05:25:00
Female Panel (mixed)I bowed but also you're also it's okay to accept that maybe even if she doesn't want to necessarily uh uh what were you saying you don't for
05:25:12
Female Panel (mixed)the you you you necessarily wouldn't want to but or no wouldn't be expecting it but it's a nice gesture it's a nice gesture but it's not it's not required and if and it'll be fine so then and
05:25:22
Brian Atlasthen it doesn't Define the person's character either way right if they Here's the final point on this so it's just look it it all ties into women's
05:25:34
Brian Atlasexpectations of men to adhere to traditional gender roles women wanting men to lead but not being followers uh you also in addition to this there's a
05:25:44
Brian Atlascomponent of uh wanting men to be traditional but you won't be submissive you won't adhere to any of your traditional gender rules there's a lot
05:25:53
Brian Atlasof confusion there uh it's just it's interesting to me though the whole like paying for the date thing because it's the entailment it's like okay a guy has
05:26:04
Brian Atlasto work this many hours to be able to afford to take me on the date but I won't do like a totally benign bow I just think that's super interesting but to take it a step
05:26:16
Brian Atlasfurther in a different sort of comparison here uh you won't bow but and it's actually interesting a lot of you said you would do the bow which I find interesting but we've had a
05:26:28
Brian Atlaslot of women most women won't do the bow you won't do the bow whatever uh you guys will like suck a dude's dick on the first night you'll let him blast on you the first night you'll let him be
05:26:41
Brian Atlasinside you the first night maybe you'll let him hit raw the first night who you'll do all kinds of sexual acts the first night but you won't bow I think it's because women consider the bow
05:26:54
Brian Atlasdisrespectful but they don't consider getting CED on disrespectful and that's something to isn't that interesting thought like oh a guy who I just met an hour ago he can blast on my
05:27:05
Female Panel (mixed)face but it's an interesting the line at the bow I draw the line at the b i we have different views of sex and like I just don't view it as a bad thing it's a mutual thing I I said I'd bow so I'm not
05:27:18
Female Panel (mixed)saying that but like I don't think coming on my face and a part of an act that we both are enjoying and I'm getting turned on by it is a bad thing you know or a disrespectful thing yeah if he just comes on my face and I
05:27:30
Brian Atlasdoesn't your head just kind of bow over and over I mean I already said I about my you're saying on the first day right you're saying yeah like the and over like the same if
05:27:42
Brian Atlaswe were to like ask a bunch of like uh probably like super feminist women who are like super Progressive or liberal they'd probably be like yeah no big deal like I'd hook up with a guy on the first date no problem but like you just ask them to do like a bow or like cook or
05:27:54
Female Panel (mixed)clean or do laundry oh I would never do laundry for a guy on the first date but like I'll suck his [ __ ] okay no but that's but that's but that's Mutual but that's I'm not saying sex is like a bad
05:28:06
Brian Atlasthing I'm not saying that but it's just it's like interesting to me like you'll literally let a man like inside of you this it's pretty intimate thing right like you'll literally let him inside of you but like the thought of folding his
05:28:18
Brian Atlaslaundry on the first date like whoa I would never do that I mean shouldn't it be the reverse don't think it should be I doing something for you versus sharing a sharing an experience that we both
05:28:29
Brian Atlasenjoy I mean but oral sex is like I'll Grant I enjoy doing sure I'll I'll grant that there there can be like some self uh self-enjoyment from like giving
05:28:39
Brian Atlasoral sex I guess um but like you're still it is still something that you're giving to the other person like so like uh p and the V sex maybe there's a
05:28:51
Brian Atlasbetter argument there for like well we're both getting something out of this but it's still it's like the the length to which you're willing to go on the first date it's like you won't fold the dude's laundry you wouldn't think to
05:29:02
Brian Atlaslike do something I don't know uh cook for him or whatever like whatever pulling a guy's shirt off and folding it before you [ __ ] him count sure I guess awesome that's great good job but yeah it's just crazy I mean not realistically
05:29:16
Female Panel (mixed)though that you'd do his laundry on the first day right you're kind of exaggerating in that way oh no I will have a girl fold my laundry on the first dat and get Cal all over her face on the first how much are you spending on this
05:29:28
Andrew Wilsondate where she's folding your laundry and bowing I guess it's just maybe it's not maybe it's not it's so degrading you would you would actually have them uh fold your laundry on the first date rather than [ __ ] all over their F I
05:29:42
Female Panel (mixed)just can't believe ridiculous rid monster I've cleaned a guy's Kitchen on a first date well I guess everyone's um I'm not talking about the sex part I'm talking about just like the doing that for them
05:29:54
Brian AtlasI guess have I had that the laundry is that the question has someone done laundry for you on the first dat yeah okay but know I guess in a way where they're like bro okay look here Alex I'll walk you through it I'll walk you through it I I'm just not used to it so
05:30:06
Brian Atlasfirst off I'm a gentleman she doesn't have to do all the laundry it's already in the dryer so okay it's already she just has to fold the [ __ ] like if I was a real you know a real jerk I'd say okay
05:30:19
Brian Atlashere's the dirty laundry get it in the wash take it out of the wash put it in the dryer set the dryer no it's already in the dryer ready to be folded cuz I'm
05:30:29
Brian Atlasa nice guy yeah I'm a nice guy like that I gu it is it's like she's back at my place I'm like oh here come with me boom Oh okay walk into the laundry room I was
05:30:39
Brian Atlaslike oh hey um can you help me with this and she's like oh yeah and then like I leave sorry I didn't mean to spit there I leave the laundry room and then I just go do something else but how is that if
05:30:51
Female Panel (mixed)you're talking about like manipulative how's that how's that manipula no but it's like out of what you were saying if you expect oh for men to do this women should do this if you're like yeah she should fold my laundry and you're not spending [ __ ] on a first date like that
05:31:03
Backgroundthat's not how about I spend $500 on the flight to get her out here ooh sounds like he has an experience with it then yeah she should do your laundry although sometimes she
05:31:14
Female Panel (mixed)spends the money for the flight people pay a fight to come soon I don't know I feel like if you're in a relationship you're going to do their laundry anyway just do the laundry I've had that
05:31:26
Female Panel (mixed)happen as long my boyfriend does the laundry and I fold it and I put it away and it's just a give and take partnership it's a partnership I think that if I'm if if I'm married to someone of course I'll do their laundry I'll Fold It All That stuff but I guess I've
05:31:38
Female Panel (mixed)never ever heard of someone doing someone's laundry on the first date like when you see them but I guess a I guess the difference maybe the difference right we have expectations and then you have expectations but why don't we just
05:31:51
Brian Atlasmeet in the middle but here hear me out right like let's like get a bird's eyee view of society and relationships you say your boyfriend does your laundry by the way hold on I separate it for him and then he does the wash and dryer and
05:32:03
Brian Atlasthen I and then he gives it back to me and then I fold it and I put it away all right so let's get a bird's eye view of society dating Etc so what sounds like a
05:32:12
Brian Atlasbigger ask of a woman to [ __ ] a dude immediately on first time meeting or to fold his laundry you're making sex s like a chore not a mutual thing that we both sure I
05:32:24
Brian Atlasget it but like I yes sex sex is uh there's you say both sex is a mutual value exchange like you're both getting like value right but
05:32:37
Brian Atlasin terms of like is there a middle ground to just say both in terms of like an escalation of
05:32:46
Brian Atlasuh in times past like in days past like folding laundry would occur to me like it seems like a way smaller ask than like let me physically be inside you you
05:32:58
Female Panel (mixed)know do you [ __ ] girls who don't want to [ __ ] you like I don't know I just no I'm just saying like I just I'm just saying like you're not whatever I get the pass cuz I'm [ __ ]
05:33:08
Brian Atlasbut but I'm just no but I'm just saying like like women enjoy sex too yes I know y'all guys come you guys come like 20
05:33:19
Brian Atlas[ __ ] times in the session I get it that you guys prefer yeah sex is better for women I'll even grant you that if we were to say let's say y'all are the ones bro I've never had my leg [ __ ] shaking and like my R eyes rolling back
05:33:31
Brian Atlasin my head during sex y'all are the ones who are [ __ ] squirming and [ __ ] and [ __ ] your legs are shaking and you're having your in multiple orgasms all this [ __ ] okay
05:33:42
Andrew Wilsonyeah it doesn't have to be that vulgar that getting on your knees and accepting a man's seen into your mouth is extraordinarily submissive and that's probably why you
05:33:54
Andrew Wilsonenjoy doing it it's because it's submissive that's why that's reason okay but the the main the main question being right it would you rather do sex or fold laundry and if I was to say like neither
05:34:08
Female Panel (mixed)I maybe I don't want to have sex with him that night as well as the fact that I don't want to I'm not used to I think in art I mean in culture in general for us right it's like it's that's a pretty maybe some people are like that's kind
05:34:19
Female Panel (mixed)of a personal ask I don't even really know you that well I just met you and I'm doing your laundry that's kind of like but I'm also doing don't you think don't you think I just don't think we're used to being but it maybe it's a
05:34:32
Brian Atlasdifferent you know I don't know I guess I'm trying to like put this don't you think that Society is so backwards that
05:34:42
Brian Atlaslaundry is a big deal but the man being inside of you I think it is penis p and the V yes it it it it seems like a bit
05:34:53
Female Panel (mixed)of a reversal would you rather pay for my day or do my laundry what no it's the same thing would you rather pay for our date or do my
05:35:04
Female Panel (mixed)laundry cuz I'm you're asking if if we would ever would rather have sex or do your laundry and so it's the same thing the analogy we've been using for the past 2 hours is would you rather pay for my date or do my laundry you'd probably
05:35:16
Andrew Wilsonrather pay for the date it's easy oh not saying ah I kind of backtracked that a little bit but it's way easier than what opening your legs like is that is that literally your
05:35:29
TTS Voice[Laughter] argument no I was saying the analogy Vincent l you Vincent hey ladies I have a submission question if you were comast
05:35:41
TTS Voiceand Pregnant and delivering the baby will kill you what choice do you want your man to make Andrew knows the answer but bro this is over this is way
05:35:53
Andrew Wilsontoo over their head I think man yeah it's too over our head guys we would not get it I can't even read you know what hang on that's fair do you get it can you
05:36:02
Female Panel (mixed)answer I want I would want the B red do you actually get it yeah I understand the question would you save your wife for the baby answer go ahead go ahead I would rather my husband save the baby if
05:36:15
Female Panel (mixed)it was either me die or the baby die I'd rather my husband save the baby it doesn't go over our heads guys it's a new life I would not because I can't are you sure it didn't are you sure you read
05:36:26
Brian Atlasthe question if I if I'm dead I can't make any more babies you know all right um by the way I do apologize for the delay on letting these come in we were kind of in the middle of the exchange so um
05:36:38
TTS VoiceI do apologize Vincent for the delay there on the DTs also LOL paladins hail and well met LOL paladins donated $22 the woke feminist doesn't need to
05:36:49
TTS Voicebow for me that's misogyny just so long as she comes back to my place and I get to blow my load all over her face 2 hours after I met her
05:37:05
Madisonfeminism that's pretty funny I love that I don't really know that blowing a guy is all that submissive though cuz you literally have him by the balls sometimes when you say it out loud though it really does kind of start making sense and sounding different sometimes you kind of have to say
05:37:18
Andrew Wilsonsomething out loud to realize maybe is a little ridiculous rather the load every day Hang On Let's test that though uh just by a quick show of hands uh if it was two men and one was you know doing that act to another man would you
05:37:31
Andrew Wilsonconsider the man he was doing the ACT to to be submissive or dominant show of hands if you think that that man would be submissive wait if two men are coming on each other if no if one if one man was blowing another one
05:37:45
Andrew Wilsonwould you consider the man doing the blowing to be the submissive one or the dominant one is this like a consensual situation or like a jail situation that's aasly different answer or wait maybe he's so but the guy that's getting
05:37:58
Andrew Wilsonthe head is like I'm not going to do it at all so he's just submissive exactly he would be considered even by the women's standard he would be considered submissive maybe he's just trying to get his laundry
05:38:09
Andrew Wilsonfolded yeah I guess well no he wouldn't even get his laundry F folded right the idea here is that you'd rather get blasted in the face then fold the laundry what if I want to do both so they're having a sword fight
05:38:22
Brian Atlasyou're saying like law paladins I do apologize for the delay there we just uh got kind of distracted with the exchange um J can you read these next to chair one as a
05:38:33
Female Panel (mixed)polyamorous woman do you feel like your man can't give you everything sexually so that's why you want other people if the answer is yes why not get a quick answer please quick answer I don't get
05:38:45
Female Panel (mixed)it uh I feel like he can give me everything sexually actually I do he doesn't have a [ __ ] wait he can he can okay and he
05:38:55
Female Panel (mixed)does so the qu he wanted a quick answer yeah I don't want to linger too long we're so behind so I I'm saying that I he can give me everything I need sexually
05:39:08
Female Panel (mixed)um it's the reason why we swing with other people isn't because I need to be gratified in a different way it's more we like connecting with other people and experiencing that together so it has
05:39:19
Female Panel (mixed)nothing to do with that can you read this one mhm even better instead of paying for her food at a restaurant if she cooked for the date she gets a second date for sure cook me a casserole and do my laundry that's why if you
05:39:31
Brian Atlasright there uh L paladins thank you for the uh Super Chat man really appreciate it thank you thank you and then we this is below the threshold but uh I'll let you guys read it if you you don't have to
05:39:42
Brian Atlasread it but you can read it in your Brands nope I don't mean that uh but thank you man for the uh message I do appreciate it thank you uh Michael Smith
05:39:51
Brian AtlasI do appreciate it okay uh I'm gonna hold on here I'm gonna try to finish we only got to the pre-show notes on you and we still have the questionnaire so um I'm going to get
05:40:04
Brian Atlasthrough yours really quick get to the questionnaire then we'll come back to the pre-show notes to yours you said that uh thoughts on controlling possessive relationships what did you want to talk on there I don't know I was
05:40:14
Brian Atlasjust trying to honestly put things down I didn't know what to say okay um like so for example really quick we won't linger too long on this but like how about this would this be controlling uh
05:40:25
Brian Atlasa guy does not want his girlfriend to dress he wants her to dress modestly doesn't want her to dress revealing doesn't want her to post certain photos like uh bikini photos on Instagram and
05:40:37
Brian Atlasdoesn't want to go out to the bar is that kind of what you're talking about I feel like I've gone back and forth on that topic I was just more kind of intrigu I literally was just put things down more intrigued other people thinking too uh then I'll go to your next thing then you said uh bad baby
05:40:50
Female Panel (mixed)daddies and why that happens why don't men feel the need to be there for their kids I just find that interesting like why is it so common for like guys to be bad dots I know why so common for women
05:41:00
Brian Atlasto kill their child in the womb what what what oh it's just like but why why the critique of men who are not willing to be fathers are you going to be a bad dad wow that totally is a non-argument
05:41:12
Brian Atlasso you're saying wow there's a bunch of like uh deadbeat dads sure totally um why are women allowed to escape from responsibility when it comes to pregnancy but men
05:41:27
Brian Atlasaren't so as a woman you can literally so you might not you might not believe you might not believe that like abortion is like killing or whatever um but like
05:41:36
Brian Atlasas woman you have like you can get an abortion so wouldn't this be like also evidence of essentially like the Counterpoint of dead be dads is women who get
05:41:47
Brian Atlasabortions no I think well because so just to be clear so man let me ask you a question a man uh the woman gets pregnant he it was a one night stand she
05:41:59
Brian Atlaswants to keep it he doesn't he's on the hook for child support for 18 years you would describe him as like a dead be Dad no no I mean I be a dead dad right I'm talking about more so example I feel
05:42:10
Female Panel (mixed)like there's okay maybe yeah that's like an example but still I feel like I me if the man wanted the child don't you think he would be a also why'd he come
05:42:22
Female Panel (mixed)in her if he like is like doing all that you know what I mean like why he theoretically caused the problem Oh So men should keep their legs closed no men should just like no but but you would say that like okay what would you say to a guy for examp there's a difference
05:42:34
Brian Atlasbetween having sex and then like exploding in a [ __ ] I'm sorry but like what oh but I mean a woman can like be okay with that and then get pregnant then also like birth control I don't really I know I'm just talking about I feel like it's like a reoccurring thing
05:42:47
Female Panel (mixed)for like there's just you know we talk about like courtesy with like or woman having values but then it's like all of a sudden men feel like nothing to like you know be there for their kids and such like I just find that a little strange yeah obviously I think it's a
05:43:00
Female Panel (mixed)different like we're talking about outliers like obviously it's a different situation sorry um when you know there's like a one night St stand and like I'm not you know that sucks for everybody involved but I'm just saying like I don't know I literally was just putting topics out there cuz I just didn't know
05:43:13
Brian Atlaswhat to say but yeah I mean um I it's just it's kind of interesting to me like there's a lot of CR
05:43:21
Brian Atlascriticisms over deadbeat dads but like this I mean maybe they weren't ready to have a kid I feel like that's fair I feel like