34 Year Old VlRGlN Has CRAZY High Standards?! PREGNANT From A One Night Stand?! | Dating Talk #192

Date: 2024-09-02

Duration: 7h 22m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSarah (DT192)>

NNancy (DT192)>

LLauren (DT192-horses)>

DDaisy (DT192)>

LLauren Harkins >

MMadison (DT192)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Anna(guest)

SPEAKER_03Daisy(guest)

SPEAKER_04Liz(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Sarah(guest)

SPEAKER_11Nancy(guest)

SPEAKER_12Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lauren (horses)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lauren Harkins(guest)

Key Moments

OtherSarah reveals one-night-stand pregnancy story: flew to Virginia to meet Discord server owner, got pregnant from single encounter. Father declined involvement.

“I got pregnant um me and his his dad isn't involved so how long were you dating the uh father of your child not long that was uh just someone I hooked up with”

IntroLauren Harkins reveals she is a 34-year-old secular virgin who has never been on a date. She reads her own New York Post article aloud.

“I am a virgin at 34 years old”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Lauren Harkins on whether her secular virginity is truly a virtue or identity-based (attention/empowerment). She partially concedes the identity point.

“I wanted to make sure that I have this uh this right...it's the pursuance really of Virgin but the fact that pursuing this path has now become part and partial of your identity”

QuoteLauren Harkins states her ideal man is 'like Aaron Rodgers' — 6'2, NFL-level status, millionaire, conservative-leaning.

“I would say like Google someone like Aaron Rogers is my ideal”

TopicBrian asks who has had a sugar daddy. Anna and Liz raise hands. Opens discussion of transactional dating.

“really quick first off shove hands who here has had a sugar daddy before”

Key MomentRatings round begins. Brian introduces the 1-10 scale ratings question, no 7s allowed.

“all right we have a question from Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven”

ControversyAndrew Wilson interrogates Liz on her self-rating of 9. Extended back-and-forth where she is unable to name who the prettiest girl at the table is while claiming she is not the prettiest, then reverses and says she is.

“I think that I'm a nine the question referred to is how you see yourself”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions & relationship statuses

Each guest introduces name, age, location, occupation. Relationship statuses: Sarah (married, one-night-stand pregnancy story), Anna (lesbian relationship), Nancy (single, 3 kids, was engaged 12yrs), Liz (single 3-4yrs), Lauren (new relationship), Daisy (single 8mo), Lauren Harkins (never dated, 34yo virgin), Madison (single). Extensive discussion of Lauren Harkins' secular virginity.

Sarah's one-night-stand pregnancy story

Sarah (SPEAKER_10) met a man on Discord (a gaming server), flew to Virginia after ~1 month, got pregnant from the first encounter. Father not involved. Later found Christ; practiced celibacy with current (now-husband) boyfriend. Celibacy change led to arguments and temporary breakup before eventual marriage (Feb 2024). Discussion of early pregnancy detection (8 days post-ovulation).

Dating apps / online dating discussion

Anna met girlfriend on Tinder. Liz recently joined app. Nancy was on Texas-based dating apps; flew to Texas to date. Brief discussion of Hinge vs Tinder preferences.

Entertainment value in partners / boring vs charismatic debate

Panel discussion on importance of being 'entertained' by a partner. Brian argues he does not need a woman to entertain him; prioritizes peace over charisma. Nancy rates entertainment 10/10 importance. Andrew provides his famous 'top 5 criteria' (all variations of 'very attractive').

Approaching men in bars / rejection dynamics

Lauren (horses) describes how her current boyfriend approached her twice at a bar in Clovis before she responded. Panel discussion on why men approach but women rarely do. Brian argues women are terrible at handling rejection because they never have to approach. Nancy claims she approaches men regularly and handles rejection well.

Lauren Harkins virgin discussion — secular vs virtuous chastity

Andrew Wilson interrogates Lauren Harkins about motivation behind staying a virgin. Argues her virginity is identity-based (attention/empowerment) rather than virtuous. Lauren partially concedes it has become part of her identity. Discussion of her high standards (Aaron Rodgers ideal type, millionaire+, emotional connection). Brian questions whether her expectations are realistic.

Sugar daddy / transactional dating discussion

Anna reveals she had a sugar daddy in freshman year and received ~$4,000 in one month. Liz (Lauren-horses) also raised hand as having had a sugar daddy. Panel and Brian/Andrew debate whether sugar dating is a form of prostitution. Andrew argues moral inconsistency — calling it wrong then saying men deserve to be played.

Self-rating round (looks, 1-10 scale, no 7s)

Liz: 9. Nancy: 8. Daisy: 8 or 9. Lauren Harkins: 6 (pale under lights). Madison: 6 (initially 5, then 6). Brian: 4.5 (down from 6, gained weight). Andrew: 3.5 (without beard). Extended debate when Liz claims 9 and Andrew challenges whether she truly believes she is the prettiest at the table.

Honesty debate — women rating each other / social lies

Andrew argues women systematically lie to avoid hurting each other's feelings when rating appearances. Compares to men's brutal but productive critique culture. Most panel members refuse to name who they think is most attractive at the table. Nancy admits she tells friends honest weight feedback when asked.

Feminist panel debate / women voting / submission

Going around the table: who identifies as feminist? Discussion of whether women should vote, whether husbands' votes should count for the household. Lauren Harkins: women should have the right to vote. Lauren (horses) discusses submission in marriage — says she would submit to a 'good man'. Andrew challenges panel on whether they want cake-and-eat-it-too approach to modern vs traditional gender roles.

Bear vs man in the forest debate

Classic Whatever debate: if you're in a forest and randomly encounter either a bear or a man, which do you choose? Liz: man. Nancy: boring (man), definitely man. Daisy: man. Madison: man. Lauren (horses): bear — has been camping, can scare off bears, unpredictable men. Sarah (SPEAKER_10): man (faster to run from man). Lauren Harkins: man. Andrew/Brian challenge the bear choosers on statistical risk.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsongender rules besides just that do you think women should adhere to cook clean be mothers okay what if and and what about submission to their husbands yeah submission and what does that mean

Daisywhat's the entailment of submission um submit so just what they say goes always always what if you disagree about where your kids should go to

Andrew Wilsonschool I don't care I should you what the husband says yeah now what if that if he's a good man he's I trust what if the school is an hour and a half out of your way and you say there's a perfectly

Andrew Wilsongood school that's even better and it's only 20 minutes away right so I'd prefer to drop the kids off there you still going to submit yes yes okay I'm very

Brian Atlassubmissive so you can ask my ex wait uh related to this uh do you want to get married yes

Brian Atlashave kids yes do you want to get married have kids just say into the mic yeah mhm yes yeah yeah I want to get married

Brian Atlasno kids you have kids um I have kids too you're married did you take your husband's last name yes will you take well are you going to marry a man

Brian Atlasor you date women so I don't know a mask female uh will you take your husband's last name yes absolutely okay will you take your husband's last name yes yes

Brian Atlasokay all right all right didn't get on that one um I I just it's it's interest like

Brian Atlasgoing back to it really quick it's so a lot of women seem to they'll demand all the Privileges and benefits of a

Brian Atlasliberalized society while still demanding men take on all the burdens of

Liztraditional Society it's just like you want your cake and eat it too you know what the burden part the body count cuz that seems like the only like

Andrew Wilsoncontroversial conversation that we had in regards to like gender roles I'm not really sure though that I actually believe the answers that are given when it comes to submission uh most men will not abandon

Andrew Wilsona submissive woman who is taking good care of them they just really won't do it for the most part uh though some do I gr that there are some who will and of seral donated

TTS/Donations$200 men forced military conscription cannot vote unless we sign up for Selective Service women can vote to send men to war that alone says women should

Brian Atlaspay first do you believe women should be draft uh just raise of show of hands do you think women should be uh drafted the

Brian Atlassame way that men have to be drafted talking about war right maybe W Andre why right you got wait you guys don't think you guys don't in the

Brian Atlasmilitary yes so okay the have to register for the Selective Service in the event of no way women should stay home women should stay home I think given the context of this uh

Nancywomen should be virgins then right uh yeah ideally you know what have only one sexual partner their entire life I would ideally want to have been a virgin for I thought I was going to be in the

Brian Atlasrelationship with my kid's dad that I met at 18 for Life you know wait so okay go ahead you were saying something but I want explanations as to none of you raised your

Sarahhand I raised my hand I I do think women should be drafted like given this context and the of the society that we sent right to the front lines um in this current society that

Sarahwe're in I think it's fair if women are drafted yeah unless we front lines yeah yeah like infantry right alongside the men yeah sure yeah um I'd say like if we

Sarahwere to regress back into like um like when uh the family structure was more traditional then sure I'd say that women ought to stay home but uh given the climate that we're in right now no I

Brian Atlasdon't think it's fair if you were drafted would you go to war I would have to I'd be drafted would you go you wouldn't have to you could Dodge it I don't think I I don't know if I could Dodge it but I would go yeah dod you

Brian Atlasyeah you would go drop Dodgers wait going around the table before we get into it uh do you consider yourself a feminist no honestly no no okay

Brian Atlasno no no no no is anyone a feminist here well I

Brian Atlasthink Andrew's definition of feminist is a uh movement towards equality or egalitarianism with a rejection of

Brian Atlaspatriarchy does that so rejection of patriarchy does that change your answer anybody so no so then in favor of patriarchy

Annayeah um I guess I don't never really thought about it I mean I'm dating a woman so maybe that's makes it different okay you I'm in favor of patriarch in favor of patriarchy that means like

Andrew Wilsoninequality or no inequality like a male society means of the father it means that the systems are led by and men are

Lizin charge of systems all systems the family government everything men are in charge uh that would be patriarchy yeah

Andrew WilsonI do think that yeah just cuz I think yeah okay scratching my head yeah yeah yeah I'm not opposed

Andrew Wilsonto okay so so if men tomorrow say that they don't want women to vote do you think you you would be for that right okay my husband doesn't let

Sarahme vote anyway like well I mean he should you should double his vote well if uh if I do vote then it would be a double for his vote but yeah he doesn't recommend that I

Andrew Wilsonvote um so well I mean that's absurd he should recommend that you just vote how he votes but anyway so the the going around going around the table right uh

Andrew Wilsonthe the quick question here is if men didn't want you to vote would you still would you would you be okay with that would you just be like yeah sure I'm not going to vote are we going around um honestly tell us how you really feel honestly I

Nancywouldn't really care I don't like to follow politics oh okay all right um I think there's so many women that are voting incorrectly

Nancythat I would give up my right to vote so that we could cancel out those women's votes 100% cuz I think men are probably smarter at it okay all right I'm not

Daisysure if we were expecting that one cuz we're hores cuz we're prostitutes I should say you said it not me uh no you did say well implied it I didn't no you guys did

Andrew Wilsonsay it because you guys were saying like the definition of prostitution was andw Andrew Frozen oh he just like frozen there's uh there's I mean there's no implication you engage in prostitution there's no two ways about that so I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot there's no implication I'm not trying to make an implication where there isn't one I'm just outright saying that that's prostiution rest in peace uh Nick do we have more reacts we do before

Brian Atlaswe do that uh going to you Lauren more of your notes you said you're Republican correct yes uh I I'll open up to this whole panel but I think I don't know if you in your notes you said uh difficult to date

Brian Atlasmaybe you didn't difficult to date as a republican in California who said did you say that did you say maybe I'm no okay well um on that note though going around the table

Brian Atlasuh well I guess what you well this is maybe just for you would you date a Democrat SL

Lauren (horses)liberal feminist vgan no I don't know why throw veg it fits yeah it does fit no I wouldn't uh show of hands if you

Lizwould date any of the these nobody come Onan come on I

Brian Atlasknow you're not the vegan she OB no me all right uh she's Nick the reacts I

Brian Atlasdon't know what these are oh okay sound right yeah wait what are reacts like to what they who's that oh itg

Madisonhere okay while he's doing that Maddie can you read this sorry to backt check but can we ask around the table how many of the ladies use anti-aging creams and the like if you use that you can't say

Brian Atlasyou think you'll look better in 10 years anybody use anti-aging cream I like retinol did you say yes oh just oh demonstrating indicating that

TTS/Donationsyou can raise your hand for does like moisturizer count as like a preventative just use voice face oil I went on a date with a guy who said he was 6'2 and apparently I'm 6'2 as

Nancywell I mean I thought it was 5'7 but we were the same height so Li about their height it's crazy crazy is that is it wrong for a guy to lie about his height why would you li I think so cuz if you're planning on meeting them like we

Lizcan tell how tall you are I'm [ __ ] 5'9 you think if you say I'm 62 and then I show up on the day and like five yeah but it's like I mean what if I lie about my body what's wrong about you know

Nancywhat's wrong about it well I wouldn't lie about my hi or weight and my pictures look exactly like how I am Nick pull up her thing one more

Brian Atlastime uh just we don't need to play it I just want to see a photo of this woman I want to see a photo F okay she has fake lips she's wearing

Brian Atlasmakeup uh she's lying about her physical appearance what's actually I mean is she really 62 though

Brian Atlaslike she's making a point about about men who lie about their hide on dating apps yet here she is lying about her lips he can see that he can see that we can't see how tall you are on a dating

Brian Atlasapp if you're lying about it we can see that in person though I'm an expert I have uh fake lip radar not every man has fake lip radar so they might think that

Brian Atlasthis woman with these big lips they they might think it's real true you're right you bamboozled you bamboozled the guy he really likes women with big big lips but you don't actually have big lips you

Nancyjust got a bunch of [ __ ] pumped into them uh so is the guy wearing steps in his shoes and he looks like he's 6'2 and then he takes them off that would be a

Brian Atlasmore like accurate comparison well I mean what wouldn't that be worse no if if he lied about his height on a dating

Nancyapp and then matched it and then matched it uh except you know he's not always going to be able to wear those right so maybe he'll be honest with her later and

Brian Atlasmaybe she'll yeah but do you think do you think women would tolerate a guy who you know wore those things whatever they're called Step let's assume every

Brian Atlastime they hung out know the the steps in the every time they hung out when they went into public he wore these like they gave him three in three in taller you feel like women wouldn't feel

Brian Atlasa certain type of way about that like well you're not actually this tall um same with well I guess it's like kind of like a push-up bra I guess well it's the same with makeup you're not

Andrew Wilsonactually that pretty you show the Tweet yeah let's do the Tweet good good call Nick well so the idea well hang on I would like to dive into this just

Andrew Wilsonbriefly but the idea here is this if a woman is not particularly pretty at least by whatever social standards you consider pretty to be and so she does up

Andrew Wilsonher hair she does up her makeup and she does up all of these things uh to go and meet with a man and she presents her best foot the thing all of this kind of

Andrew Wilsoncover um for what she actually looks like with the assumption that but if he really gets to know me he's really going to like me but I need to have a shot I need to at least have a chance at this

Andrew Wilsonand so I'm going to make myself look the best I possibly can appearance wise do you think that's wrong of her to do like a deal breaker like if you think Height's a deal breaker probably if you think natural and makeup is a deal

Andrew Wilsonbreaker but but hang on hang on I'm just asking from the perspective of she's putting on makeup she's doing herself up to the hilt with the idea here of I'm

Andrew Wilsonimproving my physical appearance because I think that once this guy gets to know me he really will like me for me but I need to have a shot I think that there's a threshold I think that women young

Nancywomen these days especially are like over they look older like all the Botox all the lip filler all the crazy makeup the fake eyebrows the fake eyelashes like the weeds or whatever that's crazy

Nancyokay for her to do that asking if I don't think that's okay I don't think that's okay but also there's guys that are really attracted to that I wouldn't be attracted to a guy that's attracted to that kind of girl but well I'm sure

Andrew Wilsonwomen who are attracted to guys lie about their height I mean saying saying some women do sure I can grant every outlier you could ever come up with I'm fine with that I'm just asking because

Andrew Wilsonit seems that the case is that women do do themselves up to the hilt uh in order to put their best foot forward and this is completely socially acceptable to look like an entire do that yourselves

Nancyto like do it so so much so that you don't look like any semblance of yourself I think that's totally wrong yeah I I hardly ever wear wear makeup I put some makeup on for this show but like been told they look better without

Andrew Wilsonit what do you think the alternative to that is then do you think that women shouldn't wear makeup or like what do you think about that Andrew no I don't have me personally I don't have a problem with women wearing

Andrew Wilsonmakeup and I never have I have a definite lineation from Brian on this but what I'm asking about specifically is whether or not you think that this is

Andrew Wilsona deceptive practice for a man to lie about his height I would say it is uh deceptive but there could be motivation behind it of but maybe if I can put my best foot forward when I meet this person

Andrew Wilsonthey'll understand that you know they should have given me a shot and this was the only way I could get that shot and I think that women do this often uh just the other direction and so I'm just

Lauren Harkinswondering if you guys think that that is also the case no I think to outright lie about your height is just not setting the stage for a a good um you know foundation and a but you're lying about

Daisyyour face in the in the in the opposition right um yeah you can maintain your face you can't maintain that heght because well you can't really you can't be like let me see what you

Andrew Wilsonlook like taller so so okay and I'm willing to Grant all of that so he shows up in lifts and you don't know that they're lifts mhm okay and then later

Nancyyou find out he was wearing lifts mhm is that still problematic yes well then you're just doing the ex if he turned out if he turned out to be like a really great guy I understand what you're

Nancysaying because like on a dating app I might definitely swipe away from some somebody who had like a height of 5 six or 5'7 but I have male friends that I think are really great guys that are

Nancyshorter so I understand the why somebody might lie about that and maybe they are a really great person and maybe it will get them in there who knows well it's just the idea what Brian's trying to

Andrew Wilsonexplore here is the idea of what is socially acceptable when it comes to deception and dating and I would argue it's every bit as deceptive for women to put on gallons of makeup have fake boobs everything else in order to put their

Andrew Wilsonbest foot forward but for some reason if men are equally as deceptive that's frowned upon and I think that that's what he's moving towards here I think it goes back to what Nancy said though I think if you are presenting yourself in

Lauren Harkinsa way where you're you know putting your best foot forward and kind of enhancing your natural beauty I think that's acceptable but I don't I don't I mean the overkill is it's obviously there's overkill for sure and I think that's

Lauren Harkinsjust like I mean I don't care for it but but some guys are you are you willing to concede that it is

Andrew Wilsondeceptive myself to to wear makeup to some extent sure yeah no to any extent yeah yeah yeah so then so then isn't it

Andrew Wilsonreally just a double standard to say this deception is okay and this one over here is not okay a good point I think it goes off of what the guy's into like if

Andrew Wilsonthe guy's into a girl that he wants to look look like that then he's obvious you say but you could say that about anything right like serial serial killer are okay as long as a person's into getting killed by serial killers right

Andrew Wilsonit's just like it's just a nonsense way to look at a thing if it is it deceptive across the board is it deceptive to make is the purpose of it to show something

Andrew Wilsonwhich is not actually true I would argue that it is I'm not even saying there's a problem with doing it I'm just arguing that it is to show something which is not actually true yeah I can see

Nancythat yeah so I mean if that's the case and wouldn't it just be it would just be deceptive both ways wouldn't it yeah ultimately yeah I think the deception is more acceptable on one side than the

Andrew Wilsonother I mean I what and that's where that's where I wanted to get why is one deception okay the other deception is not

Nancyum because it's okay it's okayed by the other party why though yeah but it but it but but it's not really the guy is saying I'm okay I and maybe some guys

Nancymight want I like prefer a natural look but you know some guys might want this like Kardashian look or whatever the thing is that's popular but they don't they don't what's under right they don't know what's underneath I think that's

Andrew Wilsontotally deceptive but okay if that's the case then let's explore and see if that is actually case if a man shows up if a man says he's 6'2 M and he shows up and

Andrew Wilsonhe has on uh height enhancing gear lifts of or some kind and you can't detect them but later you find out okay he was

Nancywearing lifts okay and that's why he was 6'2 you would consider that to be highly deceptive right yeah and I would relate the thing that would make more sense to relate is a woman lying about her weight

Nancyand like showing up for a date 20 or 30 l pounds heavier than she said I don't think a coat of mascara and some lip gloss is on the same level of deception true yeah but why not I don't really

Andrew Wilsonunderstand the delineation point here because because the idea seems to come down to you just say but some men could prefer that but the truth is is that women are covering up what they actually look like how would the man know if he

Nancyprefers her without makeup if he's never actually seen her without it uh I think that some guys just like a fake look in general they don't maybe want to even see what she looks like and

Andrew Wilsonsome guys prefer a really natural look and then the overly over the top is you think just wants to date the chick for the rest of his life uh with her just always having a suit of makeup on so he doesn't have see what she looks like in

Nancynowadays culture unfortunately I think that that the that feeds into each other that culture feeds into the guy and the girl both like like that you you know it's just you think so you think that

Nancymen genuinely would just prefer to just actual face not the men that I'm attracted to but yes it's appears that way it appears that way based off of

Andrew Wilsonit does not appear that way Med and I think it does and there's no compar there's no way to make the comparison anyway so even if I were to grant that well men would still prefer that you you

Andrew Wilsonknow like hide your hideous face let's say in this instance and only makeup is what stopping it from being hideous um they still wouldn't have a frame of reference to know what it actually looked like so it would still be a

Nancydeception either way how would it like how would it not be a deception I think think that anybody who any guy who like thinks a

Nancygirl who clearly has makeup on naturally looks like that might not be the smartest tool in the in the shed you know like I don't know I think he knows she's wearing

Nancymakeup yeah but but the frame of reference for how much different she would look absent the makeup is not there right and so that's why there's a scale so if you look like scale deception yeah if you look like a

Nancycompletely different person is one thing and I think that's like you know that would be really unfort like I would not want to be a guy who woke up next to a girl and was like Wow who the hell are you I didn't neither would I that would

Andrew Wilsonsuck right so that's what I'm saying is that both they both seem to just be the the same deception just played on the opposite end to still know who the person is and recognize who their faces and like I think that's not deceptive I

Nancythink that's like putting on a dress that accentuates your features like I don't so deceptive no I mean it's like doesn't a man want to shave and put on a nice suit or do his hair in a certain

Andrew Wilsonway whatever but but but you're making my point for me is that I think that uh that deception played is only men being punished for the deception even if they're deceiving but you're only using

Andrew Wilsonone example social standard here is that women should not be punished for the deception only men that's what the point is I'm not saying both aren't deceiving each other I'm just saying why is one more socially acceptable than the other you're only using the example of height

Nancyand I think the thing that compare that is a better comparison for height would be women just lying about their weight and I do think that's equally as wrong as lying about your height I me great but we're not talking about that if we're talking about makeup itself and

Andrew Wilsonwhile I can grant that you even made a better comparison with deception I'm still asking about the makeup comparison here because that does seem to be deception I think makeup and haircuts are like at the same value of deception

Daisycuz like a haircut can make like a guy look really good and obviously if they go out their hair it's like baling guy wearing hat well they're all the same like

Sarahprinciple I think still deceptive they're all form of deception um I guess you I don't know if you could argue if one's worse than the other but they're all like deceptive yeah the same

Andrew Wilsonprinciple so so I guess I guess my ultimate Point here so we don't belabor it forever is just to say that I think that both sides deceive each other when it comes to dating by trying to put their best foot forward I think that

Andrew Wilsonthere's many examples that you've even cited here yourself right perhaps they wear a hat to cover up the fact that they're balding or perhaps they wear a dress on the other end to accentuate their features or perhaps they try to

Andrew Wilsonhide weight and perhaps the other one tries to add height the only distinction here that I see is that it seems to be socially acceptable for women to do this but not for men to do this and I guess that's that's where we're actually

Nancydiving and driving this point towards and I don't think it's it's acceptable for women to lie about their weight specifically I think do it all the time I don't think it's acceptable oh okay

Nancyhow much do you weigh I weigh 130 exactly I was 129.5 last time so I'm just assuming that I'm 130 right now cuz it's the end of the day okay well then

Andrew Wilsonthe the gal next to you how much do you weigh me left or right no no no to your uh I think it would be to your

Lauren Harkinsright 190 188 the last time I weighed myself next how much do you way 132.5 next 158 I gained

Lauren Harkinsweight uh I haven't weighed myself in a while like 120

Brian Atlasokay muscles how much do you weigh you have do you have a scale in there Bri huh I do not have a scale un we need get a scale

LizI will get one I will definitely get one we should we should do that we should we should do that yeah cuz like weight's like a big thing I feel like if you lie about your weight it's like damn if I see you in person it's like yeah it's

Lizthe same thing about your wait true for sure like yeah like what okay yes 100% agree makeup is like okay you can wear makeup one day and not wear makeup another day but yeah I mean like height

Daisyyou can't really change weight makeup you can but I mean I feel like you have to be really good at makeup though to change how you really look not really I don't know maybe guys

Daisylie to me but they tell me I look the same with without makeup so maybe they're lying to me but look the same I thought you look the same maybe they're lying to me maybe they're just lying to me I don't know maybe you're just Del

Brian Atlaswhy would you if if it didn't improve or change how you looked why would you wear it to begin with some people like it like like it's your form of just going to waste a bunch of money and waste a

Brian Atlasbunch of time putting on something it's a hobby doesn't change how I look at all I prefer to not wear makeup to be honest with you but right but it women would not wear makeup if it didn't change

Brian Atlastheir appearance for the better right right yeah so if we can agree that it changes your appearance for the better that's not how you actually look it is I mean some women don't do a very good job

Nancyand I think it makes them look worse arguably sure that's make like really bad that's a fair point to make but I think most they think that enhancing

Brian Atlasthe that's the exception to the rule though I would say most women will put on makeup and it will tend to improve their uh physical appearance so uh ter

Brian Atlasyeah uh let's see let's get back into more notes do you want to finish uh let me get through the notes first um okay we

Brian Atlashave uh let's go to Sarah uh finding out the guy I was hook hooking up with for four with four years ago was in a relationship with Summer

SarahRay the whole time yeah the like influencer chick or whatever yeah well we hooked up for a little bit and then a

Sarahweek later Jake Paul no oh okay um is a director like music video director um the lyrical lemonade yeah oh that's him

SarahI was totally yeah guessing there yeah um yeah Benn Cole Bennett is that his name yeah yeah I he posted uh with suay like a

Sarahweek after I saw him like I was like oh okay and then yeah okay stopped talking to him wait so how long were you dating him we weren't dating we were just oh

Brian Atlasyeah but he was in a monogamous relationship with sumeray while yeah yeah was it like a public thing like how did you not know they

Sarahposted publicly like a week after I saw him yeah so I don't know if they were like dating for like a month prior like two months prior and just didn't really like publicly announce it but he's

Sarahnotorious for doing that apparently just within La he like ghost you after I stopped talking to him okay yeah if he oh wait you're married I'm married yeah

Sarahyou're married but the answer is no he did uh DM me what was this like January of this year I did not respond I blocked him so uh just curious about your

Brian Atlastattoos really quick I no you have some Pokémon tattoos what uh can you there's or is that Kirby no that's Kirby kby e

Brian Atlasuh me and then a keyblade Kingdom Hearts okay that's cool uh let's see and then we I think we already kind of talked all about the whole celibate

Brian Atlasuntil marriage uh thing you don't do casual hookups but you used to used to to used to damn that's a tough sell you were

Sarahlike in the middle of a relationship with dude and then you're like yeah by the way I don't want to [ __ ] you anymore well it was kind of like a slow burner long conversation um took a while for me to

Sarahactually commit to being celibate um but yeah it yeah I get it I get why he would be upset if you know I

Brian Atlasget it mhm all right um any other crazy dating any other celebr you hooked up with and there were [ __ ] other people

Sarahno I did sleep with one other celebrity but who's that uh ski mask slump God some rapper who the [ __ ] is that guy I have no idea who that is he's co

SarahBennett's friend he's who Cole's friend so you [ __ ] Cole and his best friend yeah like a year apart a year apart yeah

Brian Atlasni H which one first ski in yeah you got you the you get the r then you get the music video guy yeah

Sarahyeah I was yeah I was in LA how did how did you uh get in touch with them did well I slide slide into the DMS or yeah

SarahI slid into ski DMS this was like 2019 I dm'd him he was on tour with juice world at the time so he invited me and then we

Sarahhad a on and off thing for like a year and then stopped talking I was in LA I got invited to B after party and then Cole was there that's how him and I started talking yeah okay yeah all right

Brian Atlasgoing to Angelina I should have gotten to some of these a little earlier but uh so you're you say you're 38 three kids from the same man Nancy huh my name's

Brian AtlasNancy on Instagram it's Angelina not Angelina says not Angelina it's pretty private all right um You said you have three kids from the same man you

Nancystripped uh you did girl on girl um oh hold on a second what let's just I don't in the pre- I know but can

Nancywe just be conscientious of like wording right here for certain reasons uh okay concerned are you concerned that your kids are going to hear this uh yeah I mean I told my

Nancydaughters that I was going on the podcast and they're older but I'm going to really um like my son likes this podcast because he's very into

Nancywait how old's your son he's in sixth grade wait he shouldn't I know Andrew and you guys he shouldn't be dating he's not dating in fact he just told me this

Nancyfirst week in middle school he's like Mom somebody has a crush on me and uh I was like okay and he said but it's a little too early for me and I'm not interested and he's like and I'm not interested and it's too early for me and

Brian Atlasit's different for boys and girls too so come to think of it I was listening to love line when I was like in Junior I was too yeah Adam Corolla okay you know what I mean so let's just hold on a

Brian Atlassecond is this wor I feel like this show is probably more tame son should not be watching this than love line I think it's more tame than love line what's

Nancylove line it's like kro radio show call people would call in let's not talk about all the notes that I said um I what I will what I will I know I know I know and I forgot to say that I mention

Nancyinvite me on the show and I'll talk about this but hold on a second hold I just I will say that um my kid's dad so going back to like wanting to be a virgin for your partner like I I agree

Nancywith that in a perfect Society wa that's not even the topic what are you talking about it it's going to tie into it okay all right so I was 18 when I met my

Nancykid's dad and he was 25 I think um he lost his job he was a Mason and then

Nancyum pressured me into stuff that was going to support us and

NancyI was young and uh that's what he said to do and uh then I got pregnant so it was a very short period of time 2 years

Nancythen I got pregnant and I said like look like you got to like get a job man and he did and uh yeah but this was you know

Nancyit was uh part of my past that I I'm I will say that I'm not proud of it but I'm also you

Nancyknow and I'm also not open about it so it's just it's the the point of that is that like you can come sometimes do be

Nancyin these situations and come out having you know different values those weren't my values I didn't like that you know what I mean I felt pressured into doing doing it from a man that I loved that I

Nancythought I was going to be with forever and I was with for 12

Brian Atlasyears I mean you do include that in the notes you say okay let's can you let me can you stop interrupting no cuz I'm just you can stop okay so you said at

Brian Atlasthe insistence of your kid's father okay that's all I was going to say okay um yeah okay um

Andrew Wilsonyeah that's pretty much it I mean yeah thank you um well I mean I don't I don't really understand it though I mean they're going to know all this [ __ ] sooner or later anymore yeah and it's just you know I've been open with my

Nancydaughters about stuff now that they're older but um okay it's not for everyone yet all right [Music]

TTS/Donationsum so you and also another thing that I said as well um I'm going to say you want to preemptively Hillary

TTS/Donations$200 comes on the podcast to discuss dating is too ashamed to discuss it because of her kids maybe that's a sign for all new girls and sex workers that is a good point I don't I don't have

Nancyonly fans and I do think that's a good point like when I think about you girls like that say you want kids you guys all say you want kids and stuff like that like you have to think about those things you know like this was a

Nancydifferent time when when I was 18 like there wasn't only fans there wasn't like it was just different you know there's certain magazines that were out that aren't in existence anymore that you

Nancyknow like it was just a different uh level of things it wasn't $599 for like selling as part of your soul I feel like still sex work wait is mine sex

Daisywork even though it's just dates it's yeah yeah right cuz at the end of the day they're only going on dates with me because because they want

Brian Atlasto I don't know um I don't know uh no right so def find it a sex what are the what are the other things you want to

Brian Atlaspreemptively tell me to not talk about um I'm okay with the age Gap thing and we can talk about that I mean I'm not I

Brian Atlastry to be uh reasonable with people but we can talk about the AG it's just like here invite me on your show and here's what I like you're like it's like a

Brian Atlasfraudulent inducement yeah I was I wasn't somebody's like let me on the show I'll talk about XYZ I invite you on the show and then you refuse to talk about XYZ it's kind of like whatever

Brian Atlasit's okay I just thought it was going to be framed a little bit differently and I also thought we'd talk about some other topics like politically you said you were also liberal until you're mid2 a Democrat until 2019 X vegan and now you're a hardcore conservative Trump

Brian Atlassupporter although I do still have some sexually liberal viewpoints still personally but I'm very against a certain agenda which I'm not going to name I've been broken

Brian Atlasup from the father my kids for eight years only dat guys from Texas talked about that uh because California guys are mostly trash uh going to the okay

Brian Atlasyou used to be liberal when you were young Democrat until 2019 X vegan now hardcore conservative Trump supporter but you have some sexual

Nancysexually liberal viewpoints still what are those yeah well um so I would say that I think it's like three Sims for

Nancyinstance I think that those are acceptable and uh really dependent on the discussion that you have with your partner and um like boy boy girl I would

Nancyin a relationship with a man which is the only kind of relationship I'm in um I'm open to uh girl girl guy okay

Andrew Wilsonum I you're right you don't want to you don't want the boy to know that you strip but you're okay with him knowing that you would be willing to engage in a threesome I just want to make sure I got

Nancythat correct is that thanks for words out there like that um yeah I feel like uh I didn't I've watched some of this show and I thought we might be talking about more like political stuff so I was

Brian Atlaskind of wait it's I know it is but you do talk about it a lot and IAL but the political stuff while it comes up tends to be secondary to the dating conversations I'll just point

Brian Atlasthat out so I guess I'm just trying to say that you can um you know you can have had a certain past and then you could change it and I mean truthfully I don't really if you want to have three SS I don't really have any objections

Andrew Wilsonthere do yeah but I think that some people are against that that are more conservative you yeah I'm against that 100% I don't want to get B down don't

Andrew Wilsonunderstand at all how the idea uh that can you guys stop talking over there that that your past could be brought up here when it comes to uh

Andrew Wilsonthese decisions when it when it Rel as it relates to dating um somehow that's taboo but this this idea that you would be open to having a three-way is not

Nancytaboo I I I really don't understand that at all well because I like I said I I'm not proud of and regret the past decisions this is something why the [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonwould you be not proud of any of if you're willing to have a three-way what the hell who gives a [ __ ] about whatever the these other like tangential things are who cares like why would that even be a big

Andrew Wilsondeal if you're if you're like if you're willing to share your man let him [ __ ] other women in front of you why in the world would whatever your past is be in any way problematic I don't I don't even

Andrew Wilsonunderstand that like you're willing to watch him suck another dude off in front of you but past the past that's a little too

Andrew Wilsonproblem I really do need to understand this that why I'm okay with thre sums and not with my assume I assume I

Andrew Wilsonwell yeah I assume that you say okay well this former thing I did I felt some Shame about that's why you don't like it right but currently you're willing to sit in the cuck chair while your husband does another chick is that correct I

Andrew Wilsondon't think that that scenario would turn out that way but I just which way how would this scenario turn out I wouldn't be sitting in a chair um yeah right no no no you'd be participating

Andrew Wilsonright but but if you were participating and and he and you were watching you would be watching your husband bang another chick your

Nancysignificant other bang another chick in front of you right is that that men are designed biologically to want to be with with lots of women I think that's just designed that way

Nancybiologically with their DNA in in a in a hope to to spread their seed more to replicate their DNA right biolog all this I'll just I just grant I

Nancyjust I wouldn't I wouldn't uh I don't think it's okay to be with uh another man but I think that sometimes uh if you can open that up in your relationship it can be uh really

Andrew Wilsonfulfilling and prevent cheating on sometimes as well yeah okay I I mean I'm just going to kind of Grant all of the idea that men men want to sleep with multiple women and this and that I have

Andrew Wilsonno problem just granting all this what I do have a problem granting is what in the world could you possibly look at in your past that you would consider to be shameful if you're okay sharing your husband with or significant other with

Nancyanother woman how is that not kind of the ultimate form of Shame uh that CU that's a private thing that you've both agreed upon in your

Andrew Wilsonrelationship not mean that's not any less shameful there's cucks who agree to allow their wife to get banged by other dudes that doesn't make it less shameful

Nancybecause it's private I think a man letting his wife be touched by another man is very different than a girl having a wife having a threesome

Nancywith her oh I love to hear what the delineation is um sorry really I just it's kind of mind-blowing that you can't determine like you don't see a difference with the

Andrew Wilsontwo no that's not an argument just saying oh I'm I'm incredulous about your incredulity is not an argument I'd actually like to know what is the distinction between you being the cuck and him being the cuck what is the

Andrew Wilsondistinction if he's plowing another chick and you're allowing him to do it how can I ever gauge that you are a person who has self-respect if I would never consider a man who would allow the shame the other way I would never give

Nancyhim any form of self-respect isn't a cuck like by definition a guy who like gets off on watching his wife be with another man yeah wouldn't this be the exact same thing in Reverse uh no I'm not saying that it's getting like I'm

Nancynot watching first of all I'm participating and second of all it is something that's him not fulfilling meor so if a man is

Nancyparticipating while his wife is getting banged then he's not a cck uh I don't really have experience in

Andrew Wilsonthat scenario so that's not something if a man participating if a man is participating in his wife getting banged

Nancyand he's participating in that he's not a cuck now or he is still a cuck I think it's different than being a cuck maybe but it's still not something I would be okay

Andrew Wilsonwith how how is that different a cuck is allowing somebody else to plow your chick that's what a cuck is okay

Andrew Wilsonyou plow your chick you're a cuck how how would this not be just like basically reverse cism right well I just think that in my

Nancyscenario of two girls and and a guy with it being like your significant other that for me like I really enjoy fulfilling it's fulfilling to me to like make my man happy and if that's

TTS/Donationssomething that makes him happy if he said to me it would really make me happy to have another dude I would say Paladin's donated $100 and2 my past bad decisions are shameful

TTS/Donationsand be hidden from society my future bad decisions are open for discussion you've got the mental maturity of a toddler stove hot maybe I shouldn't touch it again thank you L appreciate it good to

Brian Atlassee you in the chat man um I mean honestly I was more interested if if there were you said you still have some sexually liberal

Nancyviewpoints just the threesoms is that it uh yeah oh okay I thought there was more do you want to Andrew do you have more

Andrew Wilsonon this or that's it yeah I I I still I'm still struggling here um with the with the lineation Point why is there an actual

Andrew Wilsondifference if your husband wanted to watch you get banged by another dude why would that be different really than you allowing him to bang another CH I I don't really understand what the

Nancydistinction here I mean I think that like there's not really societies there are like societies where a man has had multiple wives there's multiple societies around the world and in history where that is acceptable right but you don't ever see it the other way

Andrew Wilsonaround so I guess it just is that way that's appeal to history right it's fallacious argumentation on his face you're just appealing to how things used to be you're not telling us why they should be that way now say they are that

Nancyway because that's just the way that it is it's fallen in line that way and I think they're different oh it is what it is no they're obviously different listen listen it doesn't tell me anything to say to me so let me give you some more

Andrew Wilsonhistory here's some here's some great history as well the West has stayed monogamous under some form of Catholicism for uh almost in Memorial Catholicism made the demand that the

Andrew WilsonWest day monogamous uh meaning one man one woman so you were kind of appealing past even the identity of the West which uh has mandated this basically forever right

Nancywouldn't that be more of our history than the idea of having these kind of open relationships where you can just screw whoever you want um I I don't I think that there's many successful couples that have um

Nancythis has worked for them and it's not whoever you want it's maybe what you guys have defined is okay with both of you so it's not just whoever I mean maybe some relationships are like that

Andrew Wilsonthey're just open to whoever that wouldn't be something that I would be interested in okay okay so let me back up I'm just going to make this as concise as I can because it's very evasive what's happening I feel like

Andrew Wilsonyou're doing everything you can to kind of duck the question so I'm just going to be as blunt and concise as I can be a man having sex with two women is

Andrew Wilsondifferent than a woman having sex with two men how well it are we talking about just

Andrew Wilsonstrangers are we talking about a married couple any couple or any variation any configuration of couple you can possibly think of how is this a how what is the

Nancydifference here because I think uh I don't think I mean a man doesn't want to see it's not

Nancydesirable for a woman to be with multiple men and a man wouldn't want to see that because they're naturally possessive and want what's theirs but for a woman to share I think is

Andrew Wilsondifferent like a man does like that that probably makes him feel really good and like well then logically follows then it would logically follow that if the idea is because this is what men like to see that if a man would like to see his wife

Nancygetting plowed by another man what exactly could ever be your objection to that I'm not saying that I'm just talking about my own personal preference that can be a scenario that some couples

Nancyare okay with and it I'm sure it is it's not for me okay but but you think but I just want to make sure we're totally clear

Andrew Wilsonthe only delineation point that you can see is how this isn't basically exactly the same thing in Reverse cuz that's exactly what it is in Reverse is just

Andrew Wilsonthat men prefer it not to be that way yeah okay all

TTS/Donationsright do I mean does anybody agree or disagree with me just moving on Giovani JD donated $100 if my wife went on a podcast with

TTS/Donationsmillion of viewers and talked about getting poked by some Zed list scumbags and his friends I'd leave her so fast if he sticks with you a deserves

Sarahyou oh I CH a mil I'm not sure how to respond to that I think that's a fair point um I I guess I don't totally disagree uh but I I

TTS/Donationsdon't know I'm not entirely sure to respond mhm for a point okay I guess I don't know all right thank you uh G Hillary Epstein

TTS/Donationsdonated $100 is La Justice uccessful for degeneracy why are so many of girls sex workers or just scam men why is she mad

Nancyabout stripping your son should be ashamed that one really hurt um yeah do you want to respond uh just you know

Nancylike yeah he he might end up being like I really only care about what my kids think and nobody else really so you know maybe it wasn't the best decision to come on here like I said I thought we

Nancymight have talked about other things um that I was more interested in talking about but um but yeah you know we have a very close Bond and um he's getting older and I'm sure

Nancyhe's going to realize you know he has a hot mom he's going to be getting into high school that he's going to have to deal with a lot of stuff so took some mil how is this how is this not a political topic this is a very hot

Andrew Wilsonpolitical Topic in fact you're talking about the discussion of traditional families marriage the structure of society itself it couldn't be a more political topic and so if you say on the

Andrew Wilsonpolitics front that you're okay with non- monogamous relationships where they're opened up to having other sexual partners you are talking about the social order and the political order of society I I don't I don't even

Andrew Wilsonunderstand why those would be distinct in your BR what political topics did you want to talk about exactly um

Nancylet's see uh gender roles a lot I guess um it's the thing that we can't we can't say the thing that I the

Nancyagenda what what agenda the agenda I can't say the yeah I don't want to talk about that all right yeah so things that nobody wants to talk about wait hold on are you talking like

Brian Atlastrans stuff oh yeah that stuff yeah you said okay I'll just say you said said lgbtq but you would [ __ ] a woman in the threesome yeah what do you mean what are we talking about here Wait you said okay

NancyF I'll just say I'm not B you wanted to talk about lgbtq but you'll have a threesome uh yeah I said I didn't like the agenda like I don't like how it's being pushed in schools I don't like how it's everywhere I that's not really

Andrew Wilsonwithin the purview of the podcast oh okay I'm not inclined to talk about it well what what even what about the agenda would be wrong right it's like all you're all you're doing is griping about saying sex uh people saying that

Andrew Wilsonit's perfectly acceptable for them to be engaged in same sex activity and yet here you're saying it's perfectly acceptable for you to be engaged in same sex AC like I don't even what would even be the

Nancycomplaint uh it's not just saying like except that we like that it's just it's uh it's just putting like shoving it down your throats like it's fine to do things like behind closed doors or to

Nancysay I want equal like to say I'm in a relationship but with a woman like great but to like have parade and podcast for okay

Brian Atlasall right the I don't know why you would come on this podcast thinking that's what we're going to talk about I'm sorry it's a dating podcast I I know but I noticed that those topics have come up

Andrew Wilsonbefore so I don't think that that specific topic like the trans stuff cuz you've had trans guests so cooking no we have that has nothing at all to do with homosexuality just so you know you can

Andrew Wilsonbe a transgender person not be a homosexual correct yeah but it's part of the the letters it's all the thing but yeah so is I mean but you could you could just infinitely add on to that

Andrew Wilsonright say you can say whatever you want could be added in addition to this but it it really has nothing to do ultimately um that just because that's a

Brian Atlasa tagline doesn't doesn't actually mean anything right yeah so moving things on um you said that uh you're very conservative politically more liberal

Brian Atlassexual dating viewpoints you agree with a lot of what the host's opinion uh opinions you think something that you'd love to discuss is how people can change yeah I certainly have over the

Brian Atlasyears and I feel the host and Chase more specifically mind you chase has not been on in almost a year see uh are very dismissive to the thought of dating

Nancysomeone who may have a lot of experience but has truly changed mhm yeah so you're talking like a man who doesn't want to date a woman who may have done stuff

Nancylike work in her past like that what's wrong with that wait you said work what would actually be wrong with with with that no I'm there's nothing wrong with that it's just that I feel like

Nancyum you know when I look back on being a vegan for instance I'm just like it was the most annoying part of my life like I was so annoying like just talking about it all the time just trying to push it

Nancyon people all the time like um you can really really change and like I think it should be more based off of who the person is now and what their opinions are now and their perspectives if they

Nancycan also be honest with you in a personal one-on-one about their past and leave it up for you to decide but instead of blanketly saying no I only what's wrong with that I don't think

Brian Atlasthere's anything wrong with a blanket like if you ever did this in your past I entirely disregard you even if you are

Brian Atlasan amazing fantastic person today now if you used to do o or porn or strip you can be saved you can be redeemed yes but

Brian Atlasmen do not need to then disregard your past and go on to date you and marry you these two things are

Brian Atlascompatible or do you think men are obliged to date redeemed women no definitely not obliged to but there I mean if that's a hard if a woman wears pink socks I can reject her on that

Brian Atlasbasis alone I can reject a woman for any reason I want just in the same way that women will reject men for wide variety of completely arbitrary and benign reasons

Nancymen are allowed to do the same I agree but the woman but the woman with pink sock maybe is going to make you the best tacos that you've ever had in your life so I'm just saying that you guys are closing yourselves off to to possibility

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