34 Year Old VlRGlN Has CRAZY High Standards?! PREGNANT From A One Night Stand?! | Dating Talk #192

Date: 2024-09-02

Duration: 7h 22m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSarah (DT192)>

NNancy (DT192)>

LLauren (DT192-horses)>

DDaisy (DT192)>

LLauren Harkins >

MMadison (DT192)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Anna(guest)

SPEAKER_03Daisy(guest)

SPEAKER_04Liz(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Sarah(guest)

SPEAKER_11Nancy(guest)

SPEAKER_12Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lauren (horses)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lauren Harkins(guest)

Key Moments

OtherSarah reveals one-night-stand pregnancy story: flew to Virginia to meet Discord server owner, got pregnant from single encounter. Father declined involvement.

“I got pregnant um me and his his dad isn't involved so how long were you dating the uh father of your child not long that was uh just someone I hooked up with”

IntroLauren Harkins reveals she is a 34-year-old secular virgin who has never been on a date. She reads her own New York Post article aloud.

“I am a virgin at 34 years old”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Lauren Harkins on whether her secular virginity is truly a virtue or identity-based (attention/empowerment). She partially concedes the identity point.

“I wanted to make sure that I have this uh this right...it's the pursuance really of Virgin but the fact that pursuing this path has now become part and partial of your identity”

QuoteLauren Harkins states her ideal man is 'like Aaron Rodgers' — 6'2, NFL-level status, millionaire, conservative-leaning.

“I would say like Google someone like Aaron Rogers is my ideal”

TopicBrian asks who has had a sugar daddy. Anna and Liz raise hands. Opens discussion of transactional dating.

“really quick first off shove hands who here has had a sugar daddy before”

Key MomentRatings round begins. Brian introduces the 1-10 scale ratings question, no 7s allowed.

“all right we have a question from Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven”

ControversyAndrew Wilson interrogates Liz on her self-rating of 9. Extended back-and-forth where she is unable to name who the prettiest girl at the table is while claiming she is not the prettiest, then reverses and says she is.

“I think that I'm a nine the question referred to is how you see yourself”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions & relationship statuses

Each guest introduces name, age, location, occupation. Relationship statuses: Sarah (married, one-night-stand pregnancy story), Anna (lesbian relationship), Nancy (single, 3 kids, was engaged 12yrs), Liz (single 3-4yrs), Lauren (new relationship), Daisy (single 8mo), Lauren Harkins (never dated, 34yo virgin), Madison (single). Extensive discussion of Lauren Harkins' secular virginity.

Sarah's one-night-stand pregnancy story

Sarah (SPEAKER_10) met a man on Discord (a gaming server), flew to Virginia after ~1 month, got pregnant from the first encounter. Father not involved. Later found Christ; practiced celibacy with current (now-husband) boyfriend. Celibacy change led to arguments and temporary breakup before eventual marriage (Feb 2024). Discussion of early pregnancy detection (8 days post-ovulation).

Dating apps / online dating discussion

Anna met girlfriend on Tinder. Liz recently joined app. Nancy was on Texas-based dating apps; flew to Texas to date. Brief discussion of Hinge vs Tinder preferences.

Entertainment value in partners / boring vs charismatic debate

Panel discussion on importance of being 'entertained' by a partner. Brian argues he does not need a woman to entertain him; prioritizes peace over charisma. Nancy rates entertainment 10/10 importance. Andrew provides his famous 'top 5 criteria' (all variations of 'very attractive').

Approaching men in bars / rejection dynamics

Lauren (horses) describes how her current boyfriend approached her twice at a bar in Clovis before she responded. Panel discussion on why men approach but women rarely do. Brian argues women are terrible at handling rejection because they never have to approach. Nancy claims she approaches men regularly and handles rejection well.

Lauren Harkins virgin discussion — secular vs virtuous chastity

Andrew Wilson interrogates Lauren Harkins about motivation behind staying a virgin. Argues her virginity is identity-based (attention/empowerment) rather than virtuous. Lauren partially concedes it has become part of her identity. Discussion of her high standards (Aaron Rodgers ideal type, millionaire+, emotional connection). Brian questions whether her expectations are realistic.

Sugar daddy / transactional dating discussion

Anna reveals she had a sugar daddy in freshman year and received ~$4,000 in one month. Liz (Lauren-horses) also raised hand as having had a sugar daddy. Panel and Brian/Andrew debate whether sugar dating is a form of prostitution. Andrew argues moral inconsistency — calling it wrong then saying men deserve to be played.

Self-rating round (looks, 1-10 scale, no 7s)

Liz: 9. Nancy: 8. Daisy: 8 or 9. Lauren Harkins: 6 (pale under lights). Madison: 6 (initially 5, then 6). Brian: 4.5 (down from 6, gained weight). Andrew: 3.5 (without beard). Extended debate when Liz claims 9 and Andrew challenges whether she truly believes she is the prettiest at the table.

Honesty debate — women rating each other / social lies

Andrew argues women systematically lie to avoid hurting each other's feelings when rating appearances. Compares to men's brutal but productive critique culture. Most panel members refuse to name who they think is most attractive at the table. Nancy admits she tells friends honest weight feedback when asked.

Feminist panel debate / women voting / submission

Going around the table: who identifies as feminist? Discussion of whether women should vote, whether husbands' votes should count for the household. Lauren Harkins: women should have the right to vote. Lauren (horses) discusses submission in marriage — says she would submit to a 'good man'. Andrew challenges panel on whether they want cake-and-eat-it-too approach to modern vs traditional gender roles.

Bear vs man in the forest debate

Classic Whatever debate: if you're in a forest and randomly encounter either a bear or a man, which do you choose? Liz: man. Nancy: boring (man), definitely man. Daisy: man. Madison: man. Lauren (horses): bear — has been camping, can scare off bears, unpredictable men. Sarah (SPEAKER_10): man (faster to run from man). Lauren Harkins: man. Andrew/Brian challenge the bear choosers on statistical risk.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonreally they'll just send money to like any fat Floy that that is around that I mean that's that's what you think they do um there are a lot of uh bro stuff like that that happens in h in the

Brian Atlasmilitary you'd be very surprised the Plastics in the water dude it's sad but it happens what is going on to our men

Brian Atlasdamn that's crazy um you're Christian right me yeah yes uh what denomination um Southern Baptist Southern Baptist

Brian Atlasokay uh you said you did send a guy like a bikini photo yeah okay uh Andrew question for you does this uh is that considered sex

Brian Atlaswork yes uh so how do you reconcile doing sex work with your Christian faith you think that's sex work yes you sent a you

Andrew Wilsonreceived money for like a was it a nude photo or no it was a bikini and it's posted on my Instagram too how is that well how is that not the purpose of that

Andrew Wilsonis not to sell sexualization for money how's that not prostitution

Lauren (horses)trying to think well don't try too hard that's L what my brain does all the

Sarahtime it works a little slow um would you agree that doing say like a woman uh does only hang on let her answer please okay go ahead girl I would

Lauren (horses)say like from both point of views like yeah it's something like I shouldn't have done in the moment but I in the time frame like I needed money cuz there's something going on with my

Lauren (horses)horse and I needed the money so it was kind of like a e or not like an ego it was out of my characteristic or character trait to do that would I do that again no but on the flip side I do

Lauren (horses)see how you can see it as it is prostitution in a way no no no I'm not asking how you think I see it I told you how I see it I'm asking you how that could be anything other than selling

Andrew Wilsonsexualization for money how is it anything other than that I don't think it is yeah so I mean and is that not

Andrew Wilsonprostitution yeah yeah so you did engage in a form of prostitution right yeah saying that is incompatible with Christian ethics correct so

Andrew Wilsonsorry damn I mean that's all right just it's fine just you know like like I said that whole accountability thing um I don't see how

Lizit could be anything other than that that's all it does come like yeah the accountability part I think that like a lot of people like it sounds weirder than when you like lay down and when it's laid down and when you say it and

Andrew Wilsonyou break it up like you just said it's like oh my god well I I agree with you so I think you make a great Point here with the normalization in society

Andrew Wilsonhow people can kind of do all sorts of mental gymnastics that they don't think the thing that they're engaging in is the thing they're engaging in there's all sorts of societal pressures and this and that but I don't think that that

Andrew Wilsongives you a pass on the accountability front right so I think I think that recognizing that you did what you did taking accountability for it that's how you actually move past uh you know the

Andrew Wilsonuh the actual thing itself that's that's what I think does that make sense or am I speaking am I speaking in Spang English here

Andrew Wilsonagree yeah I regret it cuz it was a hard point in my life so yeah right but that's that but that's not accountabil that's a justification

Andrew Wilsonright not not accountability it's like yeah I regret doing it but it but but here's my justification for why it's like really if so for instance so so let

Andrew Wilsonme kind of like give you a little bit of push back here if if anybody came to you who was a friend of yours who was a Christian said think about engaging in prostitution would you allow any

Andrew Wilsonjustification for it no no so I mean that's that right so there's no reason to ever make the justification just the responsibility aspect and that's what'll always make you stand out from from my

Daisyperspective you hear one take one and so think that you had a sugar daddy correct I've had yeah more than one yes are were you dancer two no two is crazy okay I

Daisycan't dance unfortunately fair enough she cry by dance you mean stripping yes okay how many sugar daddies have you have you had um I don't think I've ever really kept

Daisycount I mean to me a sugar daddy is just anybody that pays you um for like your time so I did go through a phase where I was was on a website where no it's

Brian Atlasdifferent it's called what's your price.com this is a new one I've not used you had more than five sugar

Brian Atlasdaddies okay uh so you've had a handful of a lot more than 10 yes definitely more than 20 well yes more than 30 probably yes more than have you done I

Daisydid it for like a year so yes I've had probably like 100 yes no 100 yes when they paid for your time 100 different men do you want me to

Daisytell you how the website works so that way don't question my like oh my God I'm rich um it was more so like on what's your price it's like um they agree on a date with you right so you send um

Daisyeither you send them or they send you a request where it's like $200 for a date just first date so then you you can either accept or like ask for more ask for whatever you want so then once you

Daisyguys agree on a price for that first date you guys go on a date they pay you and it's just for the first date and then if you wish to continue or not then that's different mhm so I went on a lot

Brian Atlasof first dates for you know to $500 yeah I'm looking at the website it says 126 is the average offer amount 56

Daisymillion you look average five I mean uh so it was never consistent I've only had probably like three consistent ones okay

Daisyokay what's your price.com but yeah the average for First Dates is usually like probably last for most people M um for me my minimum was always $200 for a date

Andrew Wilsonand you said you went on over a 100 dates I did it for a year so and I did a lot so was this like how did you establish that how did you establish that you

Daisyexpected $200 to be paid on the date well for me it was just like I thought like 200 was like okay like it's enough to pitch in for rent bills and all that

Brian Atlasso I didn't really expect more for a first date okay so so what was the average age of the men would you say that 30s 30s okay of the and you how

Brian Atlasmany you said over a 100 different dates yeah were did you ever go on the second date with any of these guys yes okay but it was 100 individual men that you went

Daisyon dates with yeah throughout the year okay uh and did you date any of them M They isn't like actually wanted

Brian Atlassomething with them yes no so your intentions to be on the app were solely to make money correct I mean this is not

Brian Atlasa very good endorsement of this uh this this app because the guys I assume want to go on a date they're even willing to pay for it in the hopes of getting into

Brian Atlasin relationship you went on 100 plus wait question so you said you went on like second dates um yes third third dates yeah would you like what's the most amount of dates that you went on

Brian Atlaswith one guy um I would say only three of them were like actually like um I would actually like see them more than once like maybe like once a week okay and they would continue to pay you for dates right correct would they have to

Brian Atlaspay you more for follow-up dates or the same no just the same sometimes they'd give me more though depending on like what I needed help with now of the 100 plus men that you met from this website

Daisydid you sleep with any of them no okay um and uh trying to think here it's a great website I've also used

Brian Atlasgood wait you've used it I have used that website you didn't tell us about the website well I honestly kind of forgot about it I this is new to me I've never heard about this before surprised I haven't heard about it sooner I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to go sign up later no I ain't paying I don't care how hot a girl is I I ain't spending a [ __ ] dollar to pay I ain't paying a girl to go on a day with me I've always tried to realize

Lizlike why they do it but then it also come I just that and I feel like if they're already spending money on a girl like let's say when you're dating regular damn you're dating regular and you're putting so much money on they're probably thinking like well I'm going to

Lauren Harkinsspend this much anyways no wonder all these a question for the ladies anyone who's had a sugar daddy do you like respect these men like when you are in

Liztheir pres show just show of hands yes do you respect the men show of hands if you don't raise your hand really yes really I respect them you're putting money on it so let's put some respect on their name like that's you're doing it

Lizout of your own will to do it you wouldn't date any of them so you don't respect them um actually just because I don't date you doesn't mean I don't the one guy I guess but he was still but that didn't mean I didn't respect him like there's a difference between

Brian Atlasrespecting and like okay what about the guys who come to the club do you respect them or they marks or whatever what what are they called no

Lizthat's like you're talking marks a mark a trick okay God I've never heard of Mark but like also the word trick right so you like think think like when they go to the club like or when you go to

Lizthe club like people are just start to talk and mingled and stuff but like you can't go to the club and like I'm going to make this a boyfriend like you're the freaking club like okay um wait any of the guys that you talked about were from

Annathis website no they weren't oh so you got more than okay you were well I honestly forgot how many dates did you go on from this website I think I only ended up going on one and like I like kind of started messaging a lot of them I feel like a lot of them knew that it

Brian Atlaswas like never going to progress to a second date like they knew they were just paying pay for date how much how much did it cost for I think it was like only like $150 and then you've used this website too anybody any other girls use

Lizthis website okay how many dates have you been on from this website like two only two girl over here went on 100 look she's good at like you what I'm saying like there's good things that you're at

Lizand there's good things that you're not at like there's also like it's also consist of like messaging and calling and like making sure I'm keeping updated with you like yes this date's going to

Sarahhappen but then it's also like okay like yeah here's a day okay cool but like you know um so with these guys on this specific website if you were to tell

Sarahthem up front that you're not interested in like anything longterm or even like U maintaining any sort of friendship or relationship would do you think that most of them would still have taken you

Madisonout and paid you no okay well they can't really expect anything they're going on a website called what's your price that in is that like what's your price for me to take you out or 100%

Sarahthat's what it sounds like that's like the marketing of there on there for dating do you think or like longterm they want sugar babies ruining the [ __ ] Market they just want like a financial yeah I think

Lauren Harkinsthey know what they're getting into cuz most of them are unattractive I've only seen like [ __ ] super models over here one like are have you ever been on a date with a sugar daddy and you're just like

Lauren Harkinsinstantly repulsed by them and then you feel like you have to like continue the date to like yeah most of them are repulsive really just by virtue just by

Daisyvirtue of them having to pay for your time is repulsive but I'm just wondering if you ever had the I saw it as like a second job okay wait I don't

Daisyget I don't get I don't get why don't these men just get prostitutes I don't get it so that's the thing a lot of them try to convince

Daisythemselves that they're not like oh like I'm not paying for sex I'm just like paying for your time paying for like your time and if you want to have sex with me you will because I'm giving you all this money but it's like in their head I think they're just delusional

Daisyjust how like most women are delusional I think these there's certain type of men that are delusional too like they expect so much from a woman just cuz they take them out on a date fact even if they pay them or not wait a second

Andrew Wilsonwait can we back off um or back up just for a second okay you have had sugar daddies right yes and you think they're delusional men so you're taking

Daisyadvantage of delusional people is what you're saying yes and and do do do you if if a man were to take advantage of a delusional woman and have sex with her would that

Andrew Wilsonbe okay I'm not saying what I did was okay I'm saying no no I answer my question first no it's not no it's not okay yeah yeah so so why are you taking advantage of delusional men because it was a

Andrew Wilsonsecond job oh so if a man said oh it was a second job for me to take advantage of delusional women for sex that would that would be a good justification you

Daisythink no I'm not saying my behavior was like correct what I did was totally in the wrong but I still did it right accountability for so I have I have a

Brian Atlasquestion on this uh you did say there were a couple guys who you'd go on multiple dates with were you kind of I mean manipulative yeah yes

Lizlike [ __ ] Hest manipula the D [Music]

Daisy[Laughter] okay

Brian Atlasuh so wait I'm going to you he story so you would knowing that you had no romantic interest cuz I could you could kind of make the argument that you're like you

Brian Atlasgo on the first date and you're like I'm giving them a chance but usually for most people after the first date they made a determination as to whether they want to continue seeing this person or

Brian Atlasnot right most people actually make that up within 5 Seconds 5 minutes of first meeting somebody but they'll usually continue on with the date to be polite but you've had the first date with these men some of them you'd continue to have

Brian Atlasyou know second third fourth dates did you make the determination on the first date with these men that you continued to go on dates with that you had zero romantic interest

Daisyin them and that there would never be anything um I I didn't hear the first part of the question um but like no like I didn't ever want anything romantic out of any of them right so I mean you you

Brian Atlaswere just doing it for the money for money correct cuz I I could sort of get it where the girls like well if I'm going to go on these dates I look I disagree with it but uh I at least want

Brian Atlasit to be worth my time and maybe I will find a guy who I'll like potentially I'm open to the idea of dating one of these men who's paying this money but I

Brian Atlasthink and I'm not I'm not even prepared to even grant that that's the case for most of these women even on the first date but let's say it is but it does kind of call into the question once you

Brian Atlasstart going on multiple dates with them where I'm like okay now you're milking now it's like there's not even a shot in Hell a chance in hell any of

Brian Atlasthese men have a romantic or sexual chance with you so that's a bit of a coral I have there uh where it's like I could at least give you a pass if you're like well I'm giving them a shot for the

Daisyfirst date but I'm still not giving you a pass even for that but if I'm being charitable I will okay but I'm not but why would I give them like a shot if I'm not attracted to them well don't they

Daisyhave their photos on the thing yeah but like what I'm saying though is like so like after I go on the date to like obviously make money um why would I continuously give them a a shot if like

Brian AtlasI don't I'm not attracted to them and it was if it was just for the money too yeah I see your point but you would I guess I'm kind of getting at is would you lead them on because there's it

Brian Atlastakes two to tango right so you have to want to continue to go on the dates to make more money but they have to continue to want to go on the dates because they think it will be in pursuit

Daisyof a potential romantic relationship no so are you essentially playing a game where it's like you're feigning romantic interest in them no they want at the end of the day

Daisymost of them like I know they wanted like sugar babies right so this was when I was like 19 20 at the time okay um most of them just wanted sexual encounters without like having like um

Daisyin the back of in my opinion I think they just didn't want in the back of the mind that they were going to a prostitute I think they wanted it like believe that they were dating the person that like they were going to hook up with like I think all of them wanted to

Daisyhook up with me and I did give them the idea that like cuz my whole facade was that like I was super religious and I was like going to be interested in like

Daisycrazy that was my story that was like my story I would tell them like I'm yeah it was I would lie to them yeah I would lie to them saying like oh yeah like I want to date you and like it can become sexual like if like I want to be in a

Daisyrelationship with you um so at the end of the day like I feel like they were working towards that um even though like I I mean for me it was just like all a lie and then for one of them I mean I think he deserved it because he was

Lizmarried so like that's the one that like you milked him I milked him he had a whole ass wife he learn your lesson

Brian Atlaswhat's that saying when is that saying a fool is parted with his money or something I don't know

Brian Atlasum I mean and me and Andrew have had a back and forth on this we agree I mean I don't think men should be

Brian Atlasusing these services and they're kind of I think they're stupid if they do use them they are but obviously there's also manipulative women on the

Andrew Wilsonservices uh so what's what they get right I mean well uh no no no that's not what they get this is this is what I

Andrew Wilsonby kind of this like double standard woman speak that drives me [ __ ] crazy uh just mere moments ago what I did was wrong Andrew what I should not have done

Andrew Wilsonthat this was incorrect this was immoral this was bad and then literally what 10 minutes later it's that's what they [ __ ] get so you got to make up your

Andrew Wilsonmind is that what they get or is it that you were doing something that's bad like which one is it I think it comes to a point like nowadays it's a little bit more answer

Daisyhang on hang on let her answer which one is it answer I feel like that's a tough one because like at the end of the day it's like everyone's actions right is like has

Daisyconsequences um my consequences consequences yeah consequences okay consequences right so it's like their actions of like paying a

Daisywoman to like go spend time with them like that deserves a consequence that like you might get played like like I mean you said that wait you said that these men are they were smart enough

Daisythey build businesses right you would think they like like a business model to get people in right marketing all that so it's like why would you pay a woman to like go on a romantic demon well wait wait it's it's

Andrew Wilsonreally funny to me that now suddenly there's some justification here where you're saying well wait a second it's actually really tough for me to decide if I did what I did was wrong or incorrect whatever wa where hang on let

Andrew Wilsonme finish now whereas just a few minutes ago you said wait uh these men were delusional and it's wrong to take advantage of delusional people uh so I would like to know how this isn't a complete and total contradiction because

Andrew Wilsonthat's exactly what it sounds like is a is a literal contradiction everybody can see can you tell us which one is correct instead of continuously contradicting yourself can you just tell us are these

Andrew Wilsondelusional men that you took advantage of or did they have it coming you can't say both right no am I wrong in thinking like both say both ifct

Andrew Wilsonyourself is it okay to take advantage of delusional people because they have it coming that would be the entailment right so either it's it's okay to take advantage of delusional people because they got it coming cuz they're

Daisydelusional or it's it's incorrect to take advantage of delusional people so it's it's got to be one of the other right it depends on the situation for

Andrew Wilsontheir situation specifically right because like delusional can be like in different ter like different people well I'm sorry I thought delusional means disconnected from reality okay is that

Andrew Wilsonwould you agree that that's what delusion what else could delusional mean besides are delusional with like with like men and like dating perfect relationship and stuff like that yeah

Daisylike women women can justify women justify a lot of like men's actions because they're delusional that like they think like he really means one thing when in reality he doesn't well well hang on let's let's back up real

Andrew Wilsonquick let's just make sure we get this down do you agree with me do you agree with me that delusional means disconnected from

Lizreality it's what that comment says the blame versus fa I think that makes perfect sense forget the comment do you agree with me that delusional means disconnected from reality yes okay and

Andrew Wilsonif somebody's disconnected from real reality do you think it's okay to take advantage of them because they don't understand that they're being taken advantage of because they're delusional they're disconnected from reality right

Andrew Wilsonno no so then if that's the case how could they have it

Daisycoming I guess it's just more so my bias against these men that just pay for women oh okay so so I think it's my bias but I don't understand so they do they

Andrew Wilsonhave it coming or don't they have it coming they're for sure not [Music]

Andrew Wilsoncoming no well yeah like the right thing to say is no yes okay but is that what you believe no no so so you do think they have it coming even if they're delusional so I just want to let you

Andrew Wilsonknow there's some entailments there that you should know right that means that if there was a woman who was delusional let's say was disconnected from reality if a man took advantage of her from for what would your objection then

Andrew Wilsonbe consequence action it's just bias right it's just like no I don't like agree with that but oh you don't agree with that so now you have a complete double standard and you're contradicting yourself again right but who doesn't

Andrew Wilsonhave a double standard so many people don't have a double standard when it or many people don't uh move into contradiction territory especially I can understand even if you said I'm hypocritical I could even deal with that but this is literally just a

Andrew Wilsoncontradiction in terms MH it's a contradiction to say it's wrong for you to take advantage of somebody who's delusional it's just okay for me to do it because I want to I don't like I don't I don't understand what you're

Daisyactually saying here I'm saying like those men like that are delusional and paying for women like it's okay to take advantage of them um but what I'm not what I'm what I'm

Daisysaying though is like for like for a man to take advantage of a woman or vice versa in like the dating realm I don't think it's right so like cuz it can be it can be vice versa wom take advantage

Andrew Wilsonof to let's hang on let's back up again in what [ __ ] world could that ever make sense in what world does it make sense to say it's okay to take care to take advantage of delusional men for money but it's not okay for men to take

Andrew Wilsonadvantage of delusional women for sex and what [ __ ] world can you square these two ideas well they have the money to spend anyway so she has the sex to

Daisygive anyways yeah but it's more like well not for every woman like some women would consider that like so like every sing thing that you say everything every single thing you say can just be applied

Andrew Wilsonright back at you right it's like oh well they have the money to burn well women have the sex to give oh well they knew what they were getting into okay well then they knew what they were getting into it's like all of these things can be applied in both aspects so

Andrew Wilsoneither it's wrong you did wrong and you took advantage of delusional people and that's incorrect or you have to bite the bullet that wait it's just okay to take advantage of delusional people if you have some motivation that's self-

TTS/Donationsserving so I just really need to know which one it is graffito taged donated $200 hey good to see you offer a service have a verbal

TTS/Donationsagreement and the customer then pays for that service you now admit you never intended to fully provide the service offered that's the definition of a scam but I don't want to be derailed by this

Andrew Wilsonbecause it's worse it's actually worse right it's worse because a contradiction it's a contradiction term where you are saying actually that delusional men have less value than delusional women that's

Andrew Wilsonwhat you're actually saying delusional men less valuable than delusional women right isn't that what you're actually saying I guess in a way but then if she

Lizwas a man and then doing it it would be like the same thing it would be contradicting she can't really give the standpoint of a male if she's not in that position so she can say like oh it's delusional for a man to that but like she can't say it's delusional for a

Andrew Wilsonwoman cuz it's not like she's getting paid from women to do it if it was a woman we don't need her to we don't need her to take it from the well you're you're you're correct in a sense I don't need her to take it from a female perspective uh I need her to take it

Andrew Wilsonfrom a male perspective right so the they ask here is from your perspective that of the woman is it okay for men to take advantage of delusional women for

Andrew Wilsonsex the answer is no then how could it be okay to take advantage of of delusional men for money the answer is I don't [ __ ] know so that's why I'm

Daisyjust like well can you reconcile these two things they make sense to me like it's money like it's it's different right so and well in my in my

Daisyopinion right it's like it's not like I'm making them spend Millions right I'm not making them go broke when a woman like When a Man Lies to a woman to get

Daisyher into bed like I feel like there versus to for money huh versus lying to him for money correct yes I think it's like why is there what what is the distinction here I don't understand so

DaisyWhen a Man Lies to a woman to get her into bed and like makes her think like she's like the only one or Etc it's like that's like feelings emotions and Trauma a guy that I take money from is not going to be traumatized at the end of the day cuz they know what they signed

Andrew Wilsonup for what they sign up wait wait wait I'm sorry I'm sorry hang on that's what I was meaning by all why why why do we first of all we have a bunch we have a bunch of positions here that need to be attacked right so the first one is how

Andrew Wilsoncan you say that this would always come from trauma if a man is taking care or a man is exploiting a delusional woman for sex you could never make the claim that that is traumatic while at the same time

Daisysaying that it could never be traumatic for a man to be exploited for money how how in the world could you ever make those claims because how would a man be traumatized for losing

Andrew Wilson$200 because they feel like they were taking advantage of the same way a woman would if you lied to her for sex

Andrew Wilsonright no no oh no so do can you give the counter to that besides no you you have a different perspective yeah so no let's not get into your perspective let's finish our

Andrew Wilsonconversation so not I'm not going to let you duck out of the convo so quickly unfortunately for you so can you can you can you reconcile these two positions for me I thought I explained myself

Andrew Wilsonwhere I think you didn't really explain yourself at all I I want to know why it's okay to take care of or to take advantage of delusional men but not delusional women I actually do want to know why that's okay I explained it

Daisybecause like taking money from a guy where it's like little money like I don't see that being traumatizing especially since they what about a little bit of head if a woman just gives you a little bit of head if she just gives you a little tiny like she just

Andrew Wilsonputs the dick in her mouth for a couple of seconds right is that is that you know that's that's not really taking that much advantage of her right she just she only put it in her mouth for a

Andrew Wilsoncouple of seconds right or or she only has sex one time with the guy instead it's not really taking advantage right it's just one time she just Li the tip she just licked the T it's not really taking advantage

Andrew Wilsonright how does that correlate with $200 for a date because the exploitation is the same it's the same metric the idea of the same metric is it's okay to [ __ ] this guy over because it's a small amount of money it's like okay well then it's okay to [ __ ] her over because it's

Andrew Wilsonjust a tiny amount of head tiny amount of sex yeah but it's not but it's not realistic yeah it is realistic men take advantage of delusional women for sex you would agree that that's true women

Andrew Wilsonare taking advantage of delusional realistic women are taking advantage of delusional men for money how is this not correlated in the dating Market especially since you just got done telling me all of the different times you took advantage of men you consider

Andrew Wilsonto be delusional for money how's this not correlative because they just don't correlate with each other no because well they're not because they're

Lauren Harkinsnot great perfect you helped me reconcile the two positions thank you so much but what do you say though Andrew that both parties are to blame in that or like wouldn't you kind of hold both parties accountable for that cuz I feel

Andrew Wilsonlike they're both kind of the same on you know the same level I feel like I think that you you as a person who is not a mentally deranged lunatic and knowing that you're not a mentally deranged lunatic and are dealing with a

Andrew Wilsonmentally deranged lunatic have a higher duty to not do the wrong thing specifically because you're not mentally deranged when you acknowledge the fact you acknowledge this this is delusion

Andrew Wilsonthis is this is wrong this is incorrect they have wrong thing they're not engaging with the world properly you know for sure that you're taking advantage of that person that's where the problem comes in

Andrew Wilsonright so I don't know any of you I know that I know now for like for sure that the woman that I just talked to in the Orange is totally delusional right just like incomprehensibly delusional so I

Andrew Wilsonknow that it's no longer responsible for me to continuously harp on the idea that she's living in all sorts of performative contradictions because it's

Andrew Wilsonclear that she's not living in the same reality that I am so I just move the conversation on right cuz what else can I do when you're dealing with somebody who's delusional what else can you do but I'm Ely not going to be taking

Andrew Wilsonadvantage of her for money or taking advantage of her for you know any other thing all I would ever try to do is try to get her to reconcile the the contradiction so she wasn't [ __ ] delusional anymore I think that that is

Brian Atlasthe best thing I could ever do right what like what else could I do interesting stop being [ __ ] delusional interesting uh I we are going

Brian Atlasto move on to something else here in just a sec but it is all your guys' stories on this I do kind of think uh

Brian Atlascomparatively speaking that women have dating and life on easy mode compared to

Lizmen any anybody any bites on that I AG agree I totally agree oh okay all right it's easy being a girl for the most part it's really great being a girl for example like o is like such a big thing

Liznow cuz I feel like back then it wasn't and like now like when you say entertainment like I feel like that's such like a big thing now wait sorry o what only fans like no I know what it is

Lizbut how how does that pertain to like delusional like men pay for that too so it's like yeah they're Sims but um I'm curious It's just like crazy to me

Brian Atlasbecause so uh going back to you you how much money do you think you've made from that website not a lot you went on over 100 dates your aage your price was 200

Daisybucks 200 time 100 is 20 is that 20,000 my [ __ ] math 2,000 no no Am I Wrong oh [ __ ] it's

Brian Atlas20,000,000 oops I was thinking something else 20,000 not it's like this was over the course of a year mhm okay that's like full poverty so well yeah but it wasn't

Brian Atlasyour only source of income how do you know that well maybe it was but I mean you said it was like a second second job contradicting it was like it was like a second job

Brian Atlasyeah so but what's interesting to me is like who uh any girls here have uh adult Brothers yes damn yeah only child that's it wait

Brian Atlasadult Brothers adult Brothers like older brothers 18 or over okay yes yeah this like so your brothers would be kind of like to some degree

Brian Atlasyour at least approaching or close to your looks equivalent right and it's like the sort of attention that you're

Brian Atlasgoing to get from men it like completely dwarves the attention that your brothers are going to get from women that's

Brian Atlasalways an interesting thing to me is like you can take a girl who's who like has insane sexual optionality she can make money through her looks or whatever

Brian Atlasand like you look at her brother who is her genetic counterpart in the male's body and they are like can't get a girlfriend it's crazy like you look at it's just wild to me

Brian Atlaskind of the differentials here between men and women even looking like within their own genetic uh uh you know genetic uh similarity when it comes to a brother so do you have a sister I do yeah so

Lizlike what would she what would you do if like she do that like do you find it harder to date for yourself than it is for your sister

Brian Atlasum I mean me and my sister are very different people um I would suspect though for example if my sister was inclined to have a bunch of casual sex she could get it way easier than I

Lizcould and why do you think that is cuz she's a woman do you think it's like the womanly part do you think it comes with like personality do you think your sister is more like fun than you are you think personality has anything to do with a woman's ability to get laid Yeah

LizI do think so I think confidence is a big one personality if you look like like sad and like depressed and like boring like you probably won't be as approachable as a girl it's like f and

Brian Atlaslike blah blah blah you know yeah that's uh sure I mean a woman who's got a more who's more approachable and who's got a more positive disposition I'll grant you that she'll be able to sleep with 10 men

Brian Atlasin the day instead of five men in the day but it doesn't really you know like you can still get laid very easily as a woman is it because men have like lower

Brian Atlasstandards than women that's part of it also men have to be the pursuers but um you you think that it's do you think it'd be pretty equal between men and

Lizwomen when it comes to I getting laid getting laid specifically having sex I don't know cuz like for girls it's not a thing to like

Lizpay for sex but a guy would pay for sex like let's say if you want to bring a prostitution like it's more prone or statistically proven that a man is more likely to pay for prostitution than a female is right because it says what

Lizyou're saying like girls are easier to get laid okay yes but I wouldn't say that it's dependent on like a male or a female like I think that like it's just at this point girls just probably have

Brian Atlasit a lot easier cuz like the things all around but um wait I'm a little confused here so are you agreeing or disagreeing when I totally said that I agree I agree I agree with you 100% yeah okay men just

Brian Atlasneed have higher standards and then women wouldn't wait no no but if men hold on so if men had higher standards it would be harder for them to get laid but you said that you agree with the H

Daisymen having lower standards no sure well the only reason women get laid is because men have lower standards right no that's not true so what are the standards for men if you like think of a

Brian Atlasrealm of like it is it's not because of that it is true that men do have lower standards and it is also true that women have a much easier time getting laid why do women have an easier time

Andrew Wilsonwhy why because men want to have sex with them cuz why really funny is like okay fair enough you can say men should raise their standards uh on women before they have sex with them I agree I think

Andrew Wilsonthat they should uh but shouldn't women lower their standards when it comes to marriage and long-term relationships of men so they don't end up being [ __ ] cat ladies which so many are are ending up being in their 40s are ending up being cat ladies what do you think 34y

Andrew Wilsonold I have two cats I love them what do you have against cat ladies uh the only see well seemingly at least this is the perspective that I see is that these uh these cat ladies when I'm guessing that

Lauren Harkinsyou have multiple cats I have two is that correct yes I do yeah what are there what are their names what are your cat's names my cat's names uh Reggie and wills Reggie so you gave them people

Andrew Wilsonnames gave them people Nam nice strong Englishman names you didn't you didn't even give them animal name you gave them person Nam right so this this kind of actually shows the void right the void

Andrew Wilsonof the idea of no children so I make these like fur babies and I give them people names and then I uh anthropomorphize them into people like Disney does with Bambi right now the

Andrew Wilsondeer can talk and it's like a person women do this all the time but ultimately it they seem to complain incessantly about it by the time they're in their late 30s and 40s when they go

Andrew Wilsonoh [ __ ] I don't have children and can no longer have children what the [ __ ] do I do and you know what the answer is you can do it's done play with your cat play

Madisonwith the we got to read a couple chats go ahead as a 66y old man it gives me some hope that you do what you do Brian remind me of my son oh thank you man Andrew always a pleasure to see you in

Brian Atlasdebates it's great to see young men bring forth facts and Truth hey old man Mr peace uh I think this is your first time sending in a message really appreciate the

Brian Atlasmessage I'm GL I remind you of your son that's kind of little wholesome moment the money thank you appreciate it too that's cute no it's not a scam because

Brian Atlasthey get exactly they know exactly what they're paying for they and they receive what they're paying for oh like what's your price so prostitution is okay not

Andrew Wilsonthe same because they know what they're I'm sorry hang on let's back up did Brian describe describe his audience

Andrew Wilsonas delusional no did you describe your John's as delusional yes do you understand the distinction you described

Andrew Wilsonthese men as being delusional so you knew that they were not right in the head did Brian describe his audience as being delusional no so these these

Brian Atlasthings do not map on at all in fact I even describe my audience as they

Brian Atlasabsolutely 300 IQ impervious to any sort of uh Hoodwink or scam or uh razzled

Brian AtlasDazzle impervious to it they're all gigachad super

Andrew Wilsonintelligent uh Rockets surgeons except Giovani yeah he's an attorney um go ahead Maddie he's he's a real piece of

Madison[ __ ] that Giovani guy don't send any anymore [ __ ] super Giovani you're just scum just you're the worst go ahead I would lie to them to steal their money so funny and cute teeh oh but the one

Madisonwas married so I contributed to his infidelity T literally a foul demon foul demon you foul demon it was very demonic not

Madisonair oh right and then Madie this one I have a question for Andrew I'm 17 I'm from Australia and what does the Orthodox say about smoking weed cuz I'm

Andrew Wilsonthinking about putting him on self to Christ but I don't know out weed huh really yeah yeah you're going to risk Eternal damnation so you can smoke marijuana that's kind of stupid on

Andrew Wilsonon the outset right but there are exceptions uh which are made within the church I'm told for people who use marijuana for certain purposes especially medical purposes but genuinely it it tends to be frowned upon

Andrew Wilsonby the church and why wouldn't it be but this idea that like well I have to have my weed or else I'm not going to enter into eternal it's like well then don't dude I don't

Brian Atlascare right go to hell then as they say all right we have a question from Stiffler ask everyone to rate their

Brian Atlaslooks on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven I'm going to start with you what's my name Liz I think yeah it is

Brian AtlasLiz Brian okay thank you you're welcome um looks just like physically mhm so if you were to see me how would I see myself I would say like a nine okay all

Brian Atlasright uh to you then get so many I'm going to I'll get you all but do

Daisyyou I'll go by the number that most people give me eight eight okay or nine um oh wait let's go to you um I would

Nancysay eight I mean yeah okay um like a six what six I don't think that's a bad number into the

Lauren Harkinsmic um I think you're beautiful six okay under these lights I look pasty um I would say you can't why can't you say

Madisonseven don't pick seven why not everyone picks seven fig okay5 final answer eight yes okay Maddie people are humbling me so I'm going to say six now no way no

Lizway was it from the IRL Brian what would you see yours I've been getting so many DMs like Maddie you're definitely not a no somebody said earlier they were like you're like the most like like like non catfish person like I think I

Brian Atlasstarted like I was like who's MD and then like you said MD and I was like okay for sure that's nice I give myself a five although I'm kind of I feel like I got to downgrade a little bit I'm

Lauren Harkinsgoing to give myself a 4.5 higher heal because of bros two of us yeah I'm a 4.5 right now you were a

Brian Atlassix last year I Iain I gained some weight so definitely downgrade it Andrew what do you rate yourself uh 3.5 without a beard 3.5 okay

Brian Atlasdowngrade we're all downgrading um I like the be 3.5 with the beard hairy a solid four okay there you have it there

Brian Atlasyou have it uh so wait 98 eight eight okay D don't humble me I don't care so you gave yourself the highest rating do

Lizyou think you're the most attractive girl here at the table no 100% I don't think that I I mean would you say that that's insecurity actually no cuz like I'm not here like to compare but I do think highly of myself and I would say that I

Andrew Wilsonconsider myself a nine and that's just do you think that people who think highly of themselves when that thinking of them thinking highly of themselves

Lizisn't warranted would that be considered narcissism or possibly insecurity oh my God probably but I don't I mean he just asked what do I view myself and that's

Andrew Wilsonwhat I view myself wait wait I'm sorry are you the most beautiful woman at the table don't compare yourself I from from your perspective are you the most beautiful woman at the

Andrew Wilsontable I think we're all equally beautiful that's not even possible erroneous erroneous how how could it even be possible to state that you guys

Andrew Wilsonliterally all of you are night and day in looks from each other you look completely different you have different facial shapes different body shapes different shapes across the board how is

Andrew Wilsonthat even possible to say it's like saying squares and triangles and circles are all the same thing it makes no sense at all right you're thinking you're asking for now my opinion on how I

Lizactual opinion your real opinion not your bull don't [ __ ] me I'm not bullshitting you I'm just saying I think that I'm a [ __ ] nine and I do think that these women are beautiful when she said she was a [ __ ] five or six and I was like damn you could have gave

Andrew Wilsonyourself you think just like the most beautiful women on planet Earth come to the whatever podcast that they're just all gorgeous all of them every single one I'm sorry are you great talent

Andrew Wilsonrecruiter obviously yeah is it is it just so happened Victor that since almost every woman on the whatever podcast rates themselves close to a nine or a 10 that Brian justo happens to be a

Andrew Wilsonrecruitment genius who only finds the most beautiful women on planet Earth to come to his is that what you actually think of the crop I don't think so I think he like there's obviously it's

Lizthis podcast is for like you know for Content purposes like you want to get a range of everything and I don't think there is like a dis like if you see a hard one or two are you going to bring her on the show yeah of course that's what I'm saying so you bring up

Andrew Wilsoneverything there's no like there's no hang on hang on this a great Point Andrew are you being sarcastic one what if the hard one or two rates themselves to 10 are

Andrew Wilsonthey then that's what you see as is it true I don't know I haven't seen a [ __ ] two can you I'm sorry you didn't yourself I would gave you five you you just said that there are ones

Andrew Wilsonand twos this means that you inside of your head can categorize what a one or two is so if that is true you see yourself of how you see yourself so Andrew what I'm saying is if you see foret about how you

Andrew Wilsonsee yourself I'm asking how you see them not how you see [ __ ] you I don't care how you see you I'm asking you see I wouldn't [ __ ] know there is no one or twos at this [ __ ] table I didn't ask you if there was a one or two at the

Andrew Wilsontable I asked you if you're the prettiest girl at the table by how you see

Lizthem you look at her crazy I think that like it's like so interracial you know what I'm saying they all look so different like you guys all look so different and like [ __ ] fine like I'm not bisexual or anything but I think you

Andrew Wilsonguys are like a 10 I don't even know what a 10 reiterating all of my points all different different races they all different shapes they all different

Andrew Wilsonsizes perfect so from your perspective your worldview you the person who is you

Lizare you the prettiest girl at the table or not to say na not applicable it I'm going to keep look we can like agree to disagree but no I'm

Lizlike okay how are we going agre to disagree ask [ __ ] question do you want my answer Andrew yeah but but but but I wanted the answer to the question I asked and the question I asked was do you think you're the prettiest girl at the table I'm going to ask the question

Andrew Wilsonagain and then you can go off on your crazy ass diet tribe that has nothing to do with the question I asked office get away from it pretend like he didn't hear it lie your [ __ ] ass off but I'm going to ask it one more time are you the prettiest girl at the table now

Liz[ __ ] lie to me no okay then who is oh that's a good question I'm middle around I'm just um I can't really pinpoint that I don't

Andrew Wilsonhave an answer for that cuz I think you just know that you're not it I know that there's a lot of beautiful women here and I've but you you so you can judge that you're not the prettiest one there but you can't judge the one think the pr

Andrew WilsonI look at myself in the Mir every day but I wouldn't say like you wanted my answer that's my answer I said no so yeah I agree with you no fine sure I agree with you from your perspective no you're not you agree with me that I'm not the cutest one on T if you can judge

Andrew Wilsonhang on if you can judge all of the quality that make it so that you're not the prettiest girl at the table then you should be able to judge all the qualities of what makes the woman at the table who is the prettiest the prettiest so you don't have to answer that if you

Lizdon't want to I mean I don't because I'm like f [ __ ] if there was guys around the table I'd be like yeah yeah yeah but there like girl you're a girl's girl you're not going to say like God she is

Andrew Wilsonprettiest yourself no I wasn't going to say that the [ __ ] baby so so hang on let's back up real quick if

Andrew Wilsonjudge if you can if you if you can judge I'm not the prettiest girl at the table then you have some Metric that you're using that makes you think that there's other girls there who are prettier than

Lizyou all I'm asking is for you to apply that same metc and tell me which one you think is the prettiest I do would say like that's why I probably don't have a definite answer and I like the way that

Lizyou're like you know making me think about it in- depthly and I makes me want to change my answer because if I I say no you're making me pinpoint to a point of like figuring out who is the cutest then or prettiest whatever you say it

Lizthen I would take it back and I'd be like you know what I am the prettiest at the [ __ ] table now I want to show you something I want to show you something can you tell me who the top two prettiest

Lizare it's a trap I mean no I still my answer Remains the Same you the top hang on can you tell me who the top three are

Lizno top four no you can't tell me who any girl is insult someone no and I'm not here to like try to insult or not ask you this last

Lizquestion I just want to ask you this last question can you tell me who the top six prettiest are one two three four five six seven you're going to insult someone no like I

Lizyou can't hang on hang on but if that's true then how can you say that you're not the prettiest then well that's what I just literally said that you make think about my answer when you like okay it's contradicting you can't pick

Andrew Wilsonsomebody that's makes no [ __ ] sense at all say I just gave you six options you're the seventh and you can't tell me any of the girls who are prettier than you but you're not the prettiest girl

Andrew Wilsonwho's there do you realize how [ __ ] insane that sounds to me it sounds like the ultimate cope the ultimate [ __ ] nonsensical cope right makes no [ __ ] sense can you can you please make this

Lizmake sense to me but look at the end of the day I told you okay you're right and you can do that hold on Brian hold that tit and what I'm saying is I'm only saying okay you made me think about my

Lizanswer and I'm going to rephrase myself yes I do think I'm the prettiest one at this table cuz that's how I see myself so you can disregard everything else you say cuz I'm changing my answer because you made me think about it so thank you

LizAndrew like okay I don't have somebody to pick but if I can pin it point now I see myself as a nine you can ask me who's the prettiest one at the table I am the prettiest one at the table wait rate me rate me rape you

Liznoap pause sorry rate

Brian Atlasme I was taking my drink a seven so if we were dating you would be settling who lookwise I hold on where

Lizfrom you're n h if you're n whatling what do you mean what do you mean I'm settling I never once said that's how I see myself that's not I see yeah that's totally fine that is totally

Brian Atlasfine that you see yourself as a nine but you see me as a seven so if we were dating you would be settling for me no there wouldn't be settling cuz there'd be prior conversations and why like what do you mean like we're sitting down okay

LizI think you're a seven but you said if we were dating I wouldn't [ __ ] know cuz we've never dated or we never like you know what I mean I can't put myself in that position let's uh let's try this a different way let's let's just see if you and I can actually level with each

Andrew Wilsonother we just level with each other so let's say you and I were in that podcast the podcast is done everybody has left we're just sitting there we're having some chitchat and I was like what the [ __ ] are you talking about when it came

Andrew Wilsonto this rating [ __ ] makes no sense clearly you judged every woman to the [ __ ] table when you sat down and they judged you too and you know it's true we all [ __ ] know it's true why wouldn't you just give an honest answer isn't the truth that the reason that you're having

Lizso much trouble giving an honest answer to this is just because you don't want to hurt anybody's feelings yes isn't that really what's true no I'm not even thinking that it I mean but I mean do you have an opinion about it because [ __ ] you want

Lizto contradict me but no I don't want I'm not hurting anybody's feelings all I'm saying is [ __ ] no I don't think that and that's just how I am I you can you can think that I'm lying but I'm not

Andrew Wilsonlike I do I think that you purposely don't want to hurt anybody's feelings and so you feel like if you single somebody out and say they're the prettiest it's going to hurt everybody else's feelings there and so you refuse to do it I literally think that that is

Andrew Wilsonwhat's going on right this second can you tell me with a straight face look at me directly in the eyes and say Andrew that is definitely not what's going on the truth is my

Lizoff because Andrew the reason I'm doing it Andrew is cuz this is what I really think go ahead this is what I really think there's no [ __ ] ugly at this table and I even like foresaw cuz don't get me wrong I've seen a couple videos of you guys trying like if there was any

Lizugly women at the table that's not what I asked you what did I ask you if I'm the prettiest at the table I asked you who's the the prettiest is it you you said no so who the [ __ ] is it um rephrase I definitely rephrase myself to

Lizbeing a yes so you R it back twice what the third time for a clarification I said what makes you the prettiest what makes you the prettiest I [ __ ] just said the nine that's how I see myself like that's how does that mean that

Andrew Wilsondoesn't [ __ ] mean any I see myself as the king of France am I the [ __ ] King of France no but if that's how you see yourself then I seen myself as the god

Andrew Wilsonemperor of all that I survey I am the god emperor of the whatever podcast I am the god emperor of Santa Barbara is that true that's how you see yourself oh so

Andrew Wilsonthen it's true as long as I see myself as the god emperor of Santa Barbara therefore I am it's your opinion no no well don't shut down don't be a brat

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