34 Year Old VlRGlN Has CRAZY High Standards?! PREGNANT From A One Night Stand?! | Dating Talk #192

Date: 2024-09-02

Duration: 7h 22m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSarah (DT192)>

NNancy (DT192)>

LLauren (DT192-horses)>

DDaisy (DT192)>

LLauren Harkins >

MMadison (DT192)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Anna(guest)

SPEAKER_03Daisy(guest)

SPEAKER_04Liz(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Sarah(guest)

SPEAKER_11Nancy(guest)

SPEAKER_12Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lauren (horses)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lauren Harkins(guest)

Key Moments

OtherSarah reveals one-night-stand pregnancy story: flew to Virginia to meet Discord server owner, got pregnant from single encounter. Father declined involvement.

“I got pregnant um me and his his dad isn't involved so how long were you dating the uh father of your child not long that was uh just someone I hooked up with”

IntroLauren Harkins reveals she is a 34-year-old secular virgin who has never been on a date. She reads her own New York Post article aloud.

“I am a virgin at 34 years old”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Lauren Harkins on whether her secular virginity is truly a virtue or identity-based (attention/empowerment). She partially concedes the identity point.

“I wanted to make sure that I have this uh this right...it's the pursuance really of Virgin but the fact that pursuing this path has now become part and partial of your identity”

QuoteLauren Harkins states her ideal man is 'like Aaron Rodgers' — 6'2, NFL-level status, millionaire, conservative-leaning.

“I would say like Google someone like Aaron Rogers is my ideal”

TopicBrian asks who has had a sugar daddy. Anna and Liz raise hands. Opens discussion of transactional dating.

“really quick first off shove hands who here has had a sugar daddy before”

Key MomentRatings round begins. Brian introduces the 1-10 scale ratings question, no 7s allowed.

“all right we have a question from Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven”

ControversyAndrew Wilson interrogates Liz on her self-rating of 9. Extended back-and-forth where she is unable to name who the prettiest girl at the table is while claiming she is not the prettiest, then reverses and says she is.

“I think that I'm a nine the question referred to is how you see yourself”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions & relationship statuses

Each guest introduces name, age, location, occupation. Relationship statuses: Sarah (married, one-night-stand pregnancy story), Anna (lesbian relationship), Nancy (single, 3 kids, was engaged 12yrs), Liz (single 3-4yrs), Lauren (new relationship), Daisy (single 8mo), Lauren Harkins (never dated, 34yo virgin), Madison (single). Extensive discussion of Lauren Harkins' secular virginity.

Sarah's one-night-stand pregnancy story

Sarah (SPEAKER_10) met a man on Discord (a gaming server), flew to Virginia after ~1 month, got pregnant from the first encounter. Father not involved. Later found Christ; practiced celibacy with current (now-husband) boyfriend. Celibacy change led to arguments and temporary breakup before eventual marriage (Feb 2024). Discussion of early pregnancy detection (8 days post-ovulation).

Dating apps / online dating discussion

Anna met girlfriend on Tinder. Liz recently joined app. Nancy was on Texas-based dating apps; flew to Texas to date. Brief discussion of Hinge vs Tinder preferences.

Entertainment value in partners / boring vs charismatic debate

Panel discussion on importance of being 'entertained' by a partner. Brian argues he does not need a woman to entertain him; prioritizes peace over charisma. Nancy rates entertainment 10/10 importance. Andrew provides his famous 'top 5 criteria' (all variations of 'very attractive').

Approaching men in bars / rejection dynamics

Lauren (horses) describes how her current boyfriend approached her twice at a bar in Clovis before she responded. Panel discussion on why men approach but women rarely do. Brian argues women are terrible at handling rejection because they never have to approach. Nancy claims she approaches men regularly and handles rejection well.

Lauren Harkins virgin discussion — secular vs virtuous chastity

Andrew Wilson interrogates Lauren Harkins about motivation behind staying a virgin. Argues her virginity is identity-based (attention/empowerment) rather than virtuous. Lauren partially concedes it has become part of her identity. Discussion of her high standards (Aaron Rodgers ideal type, millionaire+, emotional connection). Brian questions whether her expectations are realistic.

Sugar daddy / transactional dating discussion

Anna reveals she had a sugar daddy in freshman year and received ~$4,000 in one month. Liz (Lauren-horses) also raised hand as having had a sugar daddy. Panel and Brian/Andrew debate whether sugar dating is a form of prostitution. Andrew argues moral inconsistency — calling it wrong then saying men deserve to be played.

Self-rating round (looks, 1-10 scale, no 7s)

Liz: 9. Nancy: 8. Daisy: 8 or 9. Lauren Harkins: 6 (pale under lights). Madison: 6 (initially 5, then 6). Brian: 4.5 (down from 6, gained weight). Andrew: 3.5 (without beard). Extended debate when Liz claims 9 and Andrew challenges whether she truly believes she is the prettiest at the table.

Honesty debate — women rating each other / social lies

Andrew argues women systematically lie to avoid hurting each other's feelings when rating appearances. Compares to men's brutal but productive critique culture. Most panel members refuse to name who they think is most attractive at the table. Nancy admits she tells friends honest weight feedback when asked.

Feminist panel debate / women voting / submission

Going around the table: who identifies as feminist? Discussion of whether women should vote, whether husbands' votes should count for the household. Lauren Harkins: women should have the right to vote. Lauren (horses) discusses submission in marriage — says she would submit to a 'good man'. Andrew challenges panel on whether they want cake-and-eat-it-too approach to modern vs traditional gender roles.

Bear vs man in the forest debate

Classic Whatever debate: if you're in a forest and randomly encounter either a bear or a man, which do you choose? Liz: man. Nancy: boring (man), definitely man. Daisy: man. Madison: man. Lauren (horses): bear — has been camping, can scare off bears, unpredictable men. Sarah (SPEAKER_10): man (faster to run from man). Lauren Harkins: man. Andrew/Brian challenge the bear choosers on statistical risk.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonshut down what's being asked shutting down is it true that I am the god emperor of Santa Barbara if I see myself as that is that true I think

Andrew Wilsonshe's the [ __ ] prettiest like what they said [ __ ] [ __ ] make room say hi like anything to avoid answering any question can you just answer my question

Lizis it true that if I say I'm the god emperor of Santa Barbara that I am yes no oh okay all right because that's something that you say is it

Lizfactual 100% whatever you say you're entitled to your opinion but that doesn't mean it's true like that's what you think it doesn't mean it's true you're entitled to your op but if I think that I'm a nine and you don't think that it's true then that's fine

Lizbut I think that I'm a nine the question referred to is how you see yourself what would you rate yourself break it down dissect it that's what it [ __ ] means that's what we're doing right now we're breaking it down and dissecting it and so that we're asking you if you're a nine and nobody else is rating

Andrew Wilsonthemselves as a nine are you [ __ ] delusional that's what the rating system am I [ __ ] delusional let's ask the [ __ ] table am I [ __ ] delusional for thinking that I'm a [ __ ] n the table the table like you is going to

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] lie and say that not even though we've just established that almost everybody here will lie to not hurt somebody else's feelings so let me ask the table then just to humor you is she

Andrew Wilsona nine raise your hand if she's a nine go ahead lie to [Laughter]

Sarahme so you want a hand raise or you want to go one by one yeah one by one I don't think you're a nine I don't think that's bad I don't it's not a bad

Lizthing right I mean we didn't ask how bad or good it is he's just asked like do you think I'm a n or not no okay um I don't I don't know hurt my [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonfeelings she's like I suddenly the way that I rate all other human beings that I engage with has suddenly fled from me I no longer

Andrew Wilsonhave any idea of what beauty means or my standards for beauty suddenly all of my stature for everything I think has flown out the window okay

Nancynext um I don't think it's wrong to not want to hurt people's feelings first of all but if we're doing a physical analysis based on my standards of beauty I would not rate you a nine I think you

Nancyhave a very pretty face face is crazy face C valid that doesn't that doesn't actually answer the question no I I said I don't is she her

Nancystandards physicalities on my ideal be standards I would not rate her a nine that's just my great what your Raider we're going on yeah

Andrew Wilsonokay kind of bral I'm not interested in dating women so facts that's what I'm saying you can give your man and a woman that's [ __ ] wait wait hang on I'm so confused she's not a nine but she don't know how to rate women that's super weird no I didn't say I don't know how

Andrew Wilsonto rate women I just said I'm not interested dating so what is the point what what is her rating I think it's mean to do this oh it's mean mean so then so then wait so then Andrew

NancyWilson was right and you won't give a real answer cuz you don't want hurt anybody's will to accept that but what's wrong with not wanting to hurt anybody's feelings I didn't say there's anything wrong with it want you be [ __ ] honest

Andrew Wilsonabout it just want hon I just want the honesty that I will literally [ __ ] lie in order to not hurt feelings that's all I'm asking for I'm not lying I'm not going to pump her up and say that she's something that I

Andrew Wilsondon't think she is but I also don't think it's necessary to dud tell her what you do think she is yeah you don't think it's necessary to answer the question in an honest way because you think it will hurt your feelings all you

Nancyhave to do is say I'm willing to lie to not her feelings and that's fine I'm willing to AC that not making up an answer I'm saying I'm not going to answer because I don't want to uh knock anybody down so you're proving his point

Lizon your perspective yeah yeah totally proving proving your she's proving your [ __ ] point no no yes yes

Andrew WilsonI'm also going to prove your point Andrew I don't feel comfortable talking about other girls appearances so I'm not going to comment just like that now you guys all see now you understand you

Andrew Wilsonunderstand that all of you will [ __ ] lie in order to spare the feelings of the girl next to you even though everybody who's watching this including everybody sitting at the table knows that this is not true you're just

Lauren Harkinsunwilling to say what is true you're afraid going to hurt somebody's feelings I don't think there's wrong with not wanting to hurt feelings to an extent though I mean I don't feel I know but I just don't feel that it's necessary but

Andrew WilsonI get I obviously get what you're say that's great how you feel I love how you how you feel matters more to me than anything else on plan I'm glad you feel that I know me too thanks we're going to

Madisonread we're going to read a couple chats uh Maddie can you read these SK just remember guys the higher you go the more delusional you are this is a delusional scale here Brian and Andrew are too

Brian Atlasmodest with themselves I rate both both Brian and Andrew a solid six appreciate it thank you say seven so you're appreciate it thank you we have

Madisonwho cares thank you man we have old man marine here thank you man for right to left 6565 4757 Morgan is a nine my personal

Madisoneyebrow rating Maddie good for you on claiming a six stay humble it's way more attractive than saying nine or 10 hey old man marine thank you for the message man really appreciate it thank you

Madisonyou Giovani thank you man if you're a nine why is your dress above your belly button every other chick on the podcast has their pants SL skirt below their belly button explain why it's so high

Madisonand call yourself a nine delusional it's above the

Andrew Wilsonbelly I don't get it now I just wanted to uh to just very quickly point out before Brian moves the topic I'm not really trying to beat you guys up I'm just trying to show you

Andrew Wilsonsomething which is important from the male perspective that people miss out on all the time all right men men don't have the luxury of lying to each other all the [ __ ] time we don't have the

Andrew Wilsonluxury of this ever and we're constantly brutal with each other because we have to because men compete within a hierarchy women don't have to compete within a hierarchy they only compete

Andrew Wilsonwith each other individual and so what happens is when I when I hear this kind of over and over every single panel right just the the complete and total

Andrew Wilsonlack of on and then when I drill down we find out listen the reason nobody really wants to tell the truth is cuz they're afraid it's going to hurt somebody else's feelings I can even understand that I can rationalize it I just wish

Nancythat more of you would be honest about it that's all I'm really honest with my girlfriends who ask one of my friends recently gained some weight and she said all of her other friends were telling that she looks fine and she asked me my

Nancyopinion and I said yeah it looks like you've gained weight and she was like thank you so much now I'm going to work out and do something about it listen to the caveat listen to the caveat here the caveat is if somebody comes to me for

Andrew Wilsoncriticism constructive criticism I'll give it to them because that is being nice yeah that is being nice that's not how men operate how men operate is like this you [ __ ] that whole thing up you [ __ ] that machine up you don't know how

Andrew Wilsonto use a wrench you're a [ __ ] idiot get off the line you [ __ ] dumb [ __ ] what the hell were you thinking that's how they correct each other they correct each other by saying you suck you're [ __ ] you're garbage get better

Andrew Wilsonand then when you're better they give you compliments but they're so rare that when you get one you know you earned it and so the thing is is like I just want to point out this kind of start contrast and why that relates to dating is

Andrew Wilsonbecause this contrast exists where men seem to be able to be far more honest with each other women far less honest with each other that's all have you guys

Brian Atlasdone this with men I have we we ranked ourselves but uh just you two or I'm just going to do an analysis here of the [Music]

Brian Atlasratings do you have is that the DBZ is that the SC ask it's a scout I was going to ask that uh yeah y'all were your power like where

Brian Atlasyou think your power levels are like you think you think you're like Vegeta but y'all are like Krillin that's crazy you

Lizknow what I mean no you know what I mean like you think you think you're Frieza but you're like Yamcha you think you have a big sck but it's actually

Andrew Wilsonsmall chill out good I am hung like a stud hamster thank you very much stud hamster there you go stud hamster oh I have one more

Brian Atlasthing on this so um do you think you will be better looking in 10 years time no okay probably not all right

Nancyum I've gotten better looking with time like I look better now as than I did at 18 you know so um but in 10 years from now I'll be 48 I do have a girlfriend in

Brian Atlasher 40 that looks amazing so hopefully I will yes okay so better looking at 48 than now no no I'm going to say this is probably my Prime I'm probably peeking right now were you uh are you better

Brian Atlaslooking now than you were at 20 28 as compared to uh I think so yes and then are you better looking now at 38 than you were at 18 I would think so yes and

Brian Atlasthen were you better looking at 28 than you were at 18 uh yeah I think so yeah okay do you have any it'd be interesting to see like old photos or something I

Brian Atlasdon't know uh yeah old photos my phone's up there uh or maybe we could well maybe we do a Instagram Deep dive be like what happened I didn't get Instagram till like 2016

Brian Atlasoh okay well uh better looking in 10 years time i' be 35 I don't know if I have kids with than by not but I thought you were 26 oh yeah 26 sorry 36 I mean

Liz25 26 yeah whatever uh bettering at 36 than Now 26 I mean I was like better looking than I was like 18 for sure so

Lizum better looking now than that 18 yeah okay but better looking in 10 years time I would say yeah I'd be like in my woman era you know like women the grow I don't know if I have kids or not but

Brian Atlasyeah I would yeah okay better looking at 20 in 20 years time so 46 versus 46 46 vers 26 no okay uh better looking in 10 years

Madisontime I feel like I've looked the same since yeah it's the Asian genetics we don't really change I mean I mean we do like you do like you can see the maturity of my face probably not till

Madisonwe're like 50 Sobe when 50s be like a truck maybe I'll be going

Brian Atlasdown I look I'll grant that uh Asian women age well but I can tell a 40-year-old Asian woman versus a

Andrew Wilson20-year-old Asian woman that's true that's true that's I'm also going to dispute I'm going to give the cultural dispute that Asian women do not age nearly as well as a stereotype says I'm

Andrew Wilsonjust I'm just going to point this out that um that often times in fact when Asian women get too old they look like like little gross pyy people running around I'm just pointing this out um and

Andrew Wilsonthis is by the way by the way I think that many many people would actually agree with me on this that this idea this really hyperinflated over evaluated idea that

Andrew WilsonAsian women uh just get better with age is just that highly over inflated so who ages more I don't think they get better with him we're talking about like okay then no

Andrew Wilsonum I don't think any I don't think any women really in any racial group really age very well even in comparison to each other I don't think that they do I think that youth is generally valued in all

Brian Atlasdemographics uh so 25 will you be better looking in 10 years time I think so yeah at 35 what about uh 45 no okay and then uh Lauren 34 do you think you'll be

Lauren Harkinsbetter looking in 10 years time 44 uh I don't know if I'll be better looking but I feel like I'll look about the same I take good care of myself block and

Lauren Harkinsfitness and good food and happy happy yeah exactly yes the Virgin skin care um delusional I don't know do you

Brian Atlasdo like are you intentionally make yourself look like a vampire or is that just me yo yes like the vure you you you put like well you put like the red it's not red but I know it looks red I'm

Lauren Harkinsgoing suck your blood did I just insult how you actually no but especially under this lighting I feel like I literally look like a vampire so you don't wear any like red uh eyes Shadow it looks red

Lauren Harkinsum it's more like a purple but I can see I can see I can see the red we're wearing the red as well it kind of like comes out was really looking at your eyes deep enough yeah exactly um uh so

Brian Atlaswait better looking in 20 years time 20 years time or you you said you'd be the same in 10 years so the same in 20 years the same in 20 I'll be 54

Lauren Harkins54 I I don't know I mean who's to say I'm not going to say cuz I like to set an intention for myself so you can call me delusional that's okay I don't know if I'll look I definitely will look better but we're just going to keep

Lauren Harkinsputting it out there that we're going to look good as time goes on are you are you uh better looking now at 34 than you were at 24 I actually think I am yes I would say that I do believe that

Brian Atlasyes yeah all right um there's the answers to that one um do you think women look better like when they're

Andrew Wilsonyounger is that like your like I think actually I think is that equally yes of course yeah so yeah when

Daisyyou're young so it doesn't change the fact like when well 10 years ago for me was I mean that's not bad but like from since I was like 18 we'll keep it at 18

Daisyright so from like 18 like I would say to even like 22 I was just like fat so um and I just I had no looks so like me saying don't prove the rule exceptions

Andrew Wilsondon't prove the rule we can say yes there are some women who were much less good-looking when they were younger than when they got older but that's not going to be a rule which is true across the board not even close for the most part

Brian Atlasthe opposite is true you would agree right yeah so it's it's uh all else being equal so if you were healthy your entire life oh okay and standards okay and you remained in your best shape your

Brian Atlasentire life then yes when you're younger you look better correct yeah so yeah do you think you'll look better when you're 10 years no no how old are you 35 oh

Brian Atlasdamn and I think I was better looking 10 years ago so I I think there's some differences between men and women on this one but generally speaking I'd say for most people whether you're a man or

Daisywoman as you get older uh you become less attractive I just disagree though I feel like men well some men age like fine wine I think they look better in their 30s and their 20s some look good with facial hair and some look good

Brian Atlaswithout well I mean there there's another differential here moving off of like what I think is more like talking about objective Beauty there's appraisals of physical attractiveness

Brian Atlasthere's differential there between men and women so men as they start getting older even you know 20s 30s 40s 50s 60s they will continuously if you P them

Brian Atlasthey will continuously say what they think is the most physically attractive tends to be pretty constant between like it's around like 20 to 22 is what they deem like most physically attractive

Brian Atlaseven as they get older however as women get older their appraisals tend to match up with their own age so they'll say well the men that I find or well maybe one or two years older so if you're 33

Brian Atlasyou'll say men who are about 35 that's what you find the most attractive physically uh but so there is a differential there uh I think there's a biological evolutionary reason for this comes down to

Brian Atlasuh why is that funny is this too uh huh is this too what is it to uh what's the word for it anyways whatever um but

Brian Atlasuh was there another question there or no no no actually there was one man who I think aged like f fine wine to be honest I saw this video I don't know if

Brian Atlasany of you know this guy Paul Wall I haven't heard of this guy in nearly 20 years Paul Wall the raer Paul Wall the white rapper he recently was on tour

Lizwith like he did a concert with Megan the stallion or I don't know who it is and uh oh sexy red I think or was it like I think it was like gorilla had a

Brian Atlasbit of a glow up he's uh you know he's looking good for 40 or whatever the [ __ ] is him yeah we can look it up actually it might be copyright or some [ __ ] but good

Brian Atlasfor Paul Wall congratulations I guess do you guys do you guys even know who that is what's the song Hold on let me I'll wrap it for you guys Paul Wall

Brian Atlaswhat's his song sit in sideways he's in a brook Hogan song from way back s still tipping still tipping on F wait that's Mike Jones hold on no I know wait rapping fux

Brian Atlasis but that's a Mike Jones song back then back then ho didn't want me now I'm hot ho all on okay um still tipping on

Brian AtlasFox foes I'm going to read the lyrics to the song White as possible still tipping on faux foes wrapped in faux Vogues

Brian Atlastipping on faux fo wait it just repeats what the [ __ ] hold on I'm still tipping on F now look who creeping look who crawling still balling

TTS/Donationsin the mix it's that 66 long dick wait I can't read that word why do most women deny biology and the effects of time if you don't believe

TTS/Donationsyou age you must have been bitten by last at's mistress in red pull up a pick from 18 in the mirror killer of cereal thank you by the way I have I have a quick answer for

Andrew Wilsonthis question to you killer of cereal it's called Good Old f American cope that's what it is that's it's not they don't deny it they do everything they can to avoid it they put

Andrew Wilsonon hordes of makeup plastic surgery everything they can to retain youth while at the same time pretending that youth is in no way important it's uh the funniest thing that I've ever seen in my

Andrew Wilsonlife but it's just pure cope pure cope pure cope cope there's no woman here who would want to be magically aged 10 years older if it had no negative life effects

Andrew Wilsonmeaning it didn't hurt you in any way it didn't hurt you with heart disease there was no disease of any kind would anybody here show of hands actually want to be age forward by 10 years so that you look 10 years older than you are right now

Andrew Wilsoneven though there was no negative health effects nothing negative towards the longevity of your life would any of you actually want to do that no way I would like to stay exactly at this age for the

Daisyrest of my life and look just like this a mil see I think she looks amazing so like like 10 years ago basically you around like my age so like if in 10 years I can look like that I i' take that offer oh thank you when we were

Lizyounger you'd be like I really wish I was 18 or 20 I don't think it was like a physical thing and then when you're older you like take actually like physicalities so like yeah I don't know I don't think so

Andrew WilsonI like I I want to be a hard 40 like no word yeah no right no who no woman ever wants to really look older it is kind of this ins Shane cope where they

Andrew Wilsonpretend oh no age just a number oh beauty is in the eye of the beholder but then you ask would you like to be age 10 years [ __ ] no I don't want to be age 10 years older it's like come on I'm terrified of

Brian Atlaslooking older I'm like it really terrifies me gray hair I don't I don't dye my hair I'm going to get into uh or actually Nick do we have things to pull up Paul Wall you going to pull up you don't your hair you got Paul Wall no I

Brian Atlasdon't PA wall gray hair you got po I you got po ball let's see po ball love it glow up wait so on the far right on the far right he looks just like that's like

Brian Atlasyoung Paul Wall and then where you and then I'm trying to find like older wait scroll down a bit Nick wait wait okay okay so look at the far left that's like and then uh the one

Brian Atlaswhere he's smiling three down no no no no one over one over here okay no no the scarf click far left with the chain going up y literally Brian with the

Brian Atlasgrill it so it's a bit bigger okay then scroll down here a little bit no no no no no no no no no here on the left no okay you could just X I guess yeah and

Brian Atlasthen the one where he's smiling far left just below it just below it I think that's a glow up dude yeah drugs no drugs that's a glow up it's a glow up and he still got the grills glow I've

Brian Atlasever seen he looks healthier tipping on full FES yeah I feel like it's cuz he's not on St maybe I don't know uh oh let's do twitch then do do Discord really quick guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a

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Brian Atlaslet's see how long's it been where's the last Prime two hours ago boys I think it's bugged help help help I think it's bugged there we go Brian's teeny pen bro

Brian Atlashow you going to how you going to first off it's average get it right secondly how you going to throw me under the bus like that Brian's teeny peen thank you

Brian Atlasfor the prime rage ahead thank you for the prime appreciate it guys and then let's do Discord really quick guys discord.gg whatever if you don't know me and Maddie we went out to do an

Brian AtlasIRL stream on the Mean Streets of Santa Barbara and we had to take it down we had to take it down we had to delete it because

Brian Atlasthis [ __ ] this [ __ ] in the pink Polo here said some very very very to [ __ ] had to delete the whole stream because of him if you want to see the clip we can't post it on YouTube we can't even

Madisonplay it on stream now go to discord.gg whatever you got to join or something so we had to delete it or like did they like delete it for us they didn't delete

Brian Atlasit for us I preemptively deleted it just because you got to be careful what careful out there what TOS mean uh terms of it's like terms of service like someone said or did something that's

Brian Atlasagainst like put your Channel at risk so talking out [ __ ] yeah so let me we got to get through what's up are you want to react uh what were some oh yeah we got reacts what are the reacts what do we

Andrew Wilsongot uh the first what do we have what's the first one oh this is going back to Lauren here these reacts are bug boys you got to send in the super chats boy the reacts are bug boys they're bug boys you

Brian Atlasgot to send them in I don't know what's going on like YouTube's just like being a piece of [ __ ] or whatever crazy the federal government thank you for the primate okay uh Lauren can you read these please yes one of the

Lauren Harkinsbiggest misconceptions about being a Verge in your 30s is that you are religious or saving yourself for a husband but no one really knows what to do with with you when you aren't affiliated with any particular religion and don't want to get married LOL the

Lauren Harkinsfacts are I believe in a higher power and that's about as far as it goes I'm humble enough to recognize I don't know everything that doesn't mean I'm going to share my body with any old joeo though and being legally bound to someone through marriage is so not my dream but what I do a committed

Brian Atlaslong-term relationship should the right guy come around yes yes I would stay tuned for part seven in the series and then there's another one Nick we'll do that one too it's like a Instagram page you want sound

Lauren Harkinsuh no you don't have to play it I mean no one Higher standards than the no one has higher say this for us no one has higher standards and thicker skin than a 33-year-old virgin radical feminist so

Lauren Harkinspatriarchal ew Fred pill Bros expired meat word but it's true though it's like that's I mean I get it from both sides you know what I mean one no I'm going to challenge this right absolutely I uh I

Andrew Wilsondon't think it's true I think that what you've created is a false dialectic where you uh where you're paraphrasing what the position of each is even though that's not actually the position I don't think that any red pill bro would give a flying [ __ ] Under the Sun that you

Andrew Wilsonwanted to retain your virginity due to the fact that you're just not attracted or asexual I think uh instead the push back you would get probably would be from the quote Christ pill Bros who would just say well this isn't being

Lauren Harkinsdone for the purpose of virtue but just like due to quirks right yeah I would say um I mean I would just say going off of

Lauren Harkinssome of the comments from being on this podcast the last time I would say that a lot of them were that I was expired because I'm in my 30s um although I

Lauren Harkinsdon't want to have kids and then I would say in terms of like the other side with the ladies maybe like more the modern day feminists I feel like I get a lot of

Lauren Harkinsuh that I have internal um internalized misogyny that I um that I'm part of the patriarchy it's like I'm part of the problem um so I I do feel like I'm

Andrew Wilsongetting it from both sides well I think that there's a conflation which happened I think that the the infation from the leftist side the nonpatriarchal side is

Andrew Wilsonsaying uh they probably assume that because you're promoting your Chastity and virginity that you are some kind of like right-wing patriarchy and so they're probably strawmanning your

Andrew Wilsonactual position I could see that as being true uh but the red pill version of it I can't see as being true I don't I don't see why any red pillar on planet Earth would give a [ __ ] one way or the

Andrew Wilsonother if you retained your chassis based on asexuality um though I do think that an argument could be made from their end that if they're saying expired they just

Andrew Wilsonmean well what's the point in keeping the Chastity if you get past your 30s and are unable to Bear children what would be the point of the Allure for a man who wanted children which I think

Lauren Harkinswould be a fair point but um yeah yeah I mean I think that's fair enough I think um you know obviously some guys aren't going to respect it if they want kids and that's totally fair um I've been

Lauren Harkinsvery open about the fact that I don't want kids so I don't see the problem in it necessarily but um I don't I but I would say though I don't think that I have less value as a virgin because I I

Lauren Harkinsdon't want to have kids and don't want to be le yeah well you would have significantly less value to men well that's fair I mean yeah men that want that of course that's that's well no no no I mean just all well most men because

Andrew WilsonI don't want kids yeah would be desirous of a of a virgin because of the paternal the paternal aspect of this right so I think that that would lessen the

Andrew Wilsondesirability um I understand kind of the play of both sides of hitting both sides but I don't see how a red pill position uh and I'm no red pillar by any means by the way um but I do understand the

Andrew Wilsonposition I don't actually see why they would give a [ __ ] one way or the other well and I think the honestly the criticism from the red pill would be that your standards are too high I think that would be the criticism not

Andrew Wilsonthat you're expired but there's standards right it's just it's just like it's asexuality what like what standards are we even appealing to well I'm not full-blown asexuality I mean I I like I

Andrew Wilsonsaid I it's not that I'm as sexual necessarily I just am not attracted frequently to people so I guess yes you could there's like there's a lot of qualifiers going on here which are

Andrew Wilsonreally hard to navigate I'm not necessarily I'm not really I kind of am but I'm not there's a lot of like qualifiers to navigate this idea

Andrew Wilsonso let's maybe we can consolidate the idea okay as asexuality I don't want to have sex with the opposite sex because I don't find

Lauren Harkinssex and sexuality to be particularly appealing and that's where I would not consider myself asexual because it's not that I wouldn't have sex with someone or find it appealing I'm not asking if he would or would

Andrew Wilson[Music] but generally speaking you seem to stay away from it because it it's not like some it has no real import to you sexuality itself is not of great

Lauren Harkinsimportance to you I I I want to be try to be as honest as I can I feel like it's not that it's not that I don't see the value and it's not

Lauren Harkinsthat I don't want to have sex but I'm not going to just sleep with someone to sleep with someone does that make sense so if I'm not we but that's

Andrew Wilsondiverting oh sorry go ahead Bri no I continue but it's it feels like that's a real big diversion kind of away from what I'm saying I'm not saying you don't

Andrew Wilsonsee value in sex I'm not saying you wouldn't have sex I'm saying that your attractive your attraction to men is almost negligible it's almost not there

Andrew Wilsonand you don't find sexuality personally to be a great Imports to you or of really of any importance to you ultimately I understand what you're

Andrew Wilsonsaying yeah I mean like I said the right person yes I don't really know what to say other than that wouldn't every asexual person say that I don't think so no I think if the person came along I

Lizwouldn't be asexual anymore like wouldn't that be kind of the great cope of all asexual people well literally goes back to what we were saying like if you don't know what it feels like then technically like you would be consider

Lauren Harkinsthat because you don't know what it' feel like to be indifferent from that right exactly I also feel that a lot of people who consider themselves asexual are sex averse and and know for sure or or grossed out by sex and wouldn't want

Andrew Wilsonto have sex so I actually don't think that's true it's interesting I've talked to several asexual people male and female and the universal that I found between all of them was the idea that if

Andrew Wilsonthe right person came along then I would probably break the asexuality but they just never have that's fair and so I just don't really feel much in the way

Andrew Wilsonof attraction to people but if I ever did if suddenly I did find other people attractive than I would but aren't you just saying kind of the same thing isn't that really the same thing you're saying

Brian AtlasI guess yeah that makes sense I mean wait can uh can we pull the article back up yeah my article so it says in the article uh so you're an only child right can you

Lauren Harkinsscroll down Nick to kind of keep your on keep going keep going uh okay this part can you read it Lauren from here as an only child Harkin learned early on how

Lauren Harkinsto be content on her own and never actively pursued a relationship and while her friends navigated the ups and downs of young love Harkin it's funny to call myself Harkins was dealing with the death of her Father William who passed away when she was a teenager Harkins now

Lauren Harkinslives primarily off her late dad's trust fund and has enjoyed an action-packed Life Of Travel and Adventure saying sex simply wasn't a priority [Laughter]

Andrew Wilsonso okay well this changes the context significantly so sex for you has never had to be a tool of barter for resource right so you've uh you're essentially a

Andrew Wilsontrust fund baby yes yeah okay so then your your interactions are definitely outside of the norm right yeah for sure I don't

Lauren Harkinsknow how that changes what what's the the trust fun looking like what is the trust fun looking like now I spend a lot of money so it's what I spend a lot of money so I don't imagine it'll be uh a

Andrew Wilsonforever thing I mean my dad wasn't a millionaire so you know oh I'm an only child but um he wasn't only child trust he he wasn't a millionaire was not okay uh however I I would like to comment and

Andrew Wilsonsay that I am sorry about your father's passing that's awful I wouldn't wish that on anybody that's a that's a terrible thing but let's get back to the trust fun baby thing okay all

Andrew Wilsonright um so the idea that you've I mean how how is this not just basically all down to a series of of quirks I mean it basically has to be right so you have

Andrew Wilsonthis great big trust fund you have no Reliance on the opposite sex you can basically live in your own world uh free from the externalities of the world because you don't really have to live in it right I mean have you even had a job

Lauren Harkinshave you ever really had a job like a real job yeah I mean I worked in Corrections for two years um I've done jobs I I would say that working in like the law enforcement field was the most fulfilling job that

Andrew WilsonI've had would you date uh anybody like hang on hang on I I just want to clarify a couple things real quick real quick uh when you say I worked in Corrections for two years was it a part-time job yes it

Andrew Wilsonwas i' never I've never had a full it might have been 100% thought it might have job never had a fulltime job 34 never had a fulltime job that crazy damn so you're actions with the world are

Lauren Harkinsextremely limited right you've never I mean all your jobs have either been part-time or just no job right my interactions with the world are

Andrew Wilsonlimited in the to the extent of jobs yes um not just jobs but the way that you engage with other people is going to be from an elitist set right no not necessarily no um I think necessarily

Andrew Wilsonlike how could you ever really understand the struggles that people go through you've never had to deal with any of them um I guess to that I would just say my

Lauren Harkinsfriend circle is very ages you know different economic class so I I don't I'm not friends with people just based on social class or well I'm not saying that you're friends with them based on their social class it's not what I'm

Andrew Wilsonsaying I'm saying that there's no way for you to internalize the same experience that they do because you've never gone through anything like it right that's fair yeah you're basically born with a silver spoon in your mouth so your experiences are far and a way

Andrew Wilsonthis is I actually interesting to note as well that um that a trust fund baby with a silver spoon in her mouth born with a silver spoon in her mouth had an

Andrew Wilsonarticle written up on her about virginity from a secular worldview do you think there's any correlation there like do you have contacts in media is that why that happened no they reached

Lauren Harkinsout to me based on U my social media um but I would like to clarify when you said that I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth I mean I was and I was raised you know middle upper class I I

Andrew Wilsononly have been able to afford my lifestyle because my dad passed away yeah but he passed away when you were very young yeah I was 16 yeah so you were very young so no the the uh

Andrew Wilsonexternalities of now having a huge fund of money which is at your disposal definitely Shields you from the externalities of the world in a way most people don't get right no that's fair

Andrew Wilsonyeah I I wouldn't dispute that for sure yeah yeah and let me uh let me me just ask this one last follow-up question if I were to take two boxes and just see which ones you filled the most right I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot asking for which one you think you fit perfectly into two watches but just the two boxes boxes just the one that we fill the most okay if I put up the box for Progressive or conservative you

Andrew Wilsonwould fill the progressive box far more than the conservative box wouldn't you um no I don't think so would you only say that because I I'm not traditional no I would say that based on social issues which I would assume that you

Andrew Wilsonwould have can I name the social issues and we'll see how correct I am y um when it comes to abortion women have the right to choose I've always been pro-choice so yeah that's true yeah okay so women have the right to choose okay

Andrew Wilsonhang on hang on hang on hang on I'm not asking for the caveats yet yes okay uh social justice

Lauren Harkinsmatters social justice matters mhm um I don't think I would check that one no social justice doesn't matter I wouldn't

Lauren Harkinscheck that box for myself do black lives matter oh sh Andrew's going deep with it um it's not deep

Andrew Wilsonwhat uh all lives matter all okay so um so moving moving to the to the next social is equality

Andrew Wilsonimportant and is feminism a product of its time which was necessary to free women from the entanglements of the enslavement of the

Lauren Harkinspatriarchy at the time in you know first wave feminism second W feminism yes I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say I have any Val I don't think that has you're

Lauren HarkinsProgressive through and through Progressive really okay interesting I I don't think you're asking me questions though that I would check more of the conservative box on W okay well what is

Lauren Harkinsa conservative um I would say in a lot of way ways traditional which I don't check that box with a lot of traditional well

Andrew Wilsonokay traditionalism can be correlated sure but traditionalism meaning what you wear like a fedora and a long and a long coat and you have a house where you have a mommy and a daddy and kids is that what traditional is or what what is

Andrew Wilsontraditional what what are these values you're alluding to oh man um I mean that's a I guess one way of

Andrew Wilsonlooking at it um what's the way you look at it what how do I look at traditional tradition are we trying to I'm just asking basically what is conservatism what is it traditional though I'm not

Lauren Harkinstraditional she's not traditional but I I agree she's not traditional I'm just wonder but she says it she says it yeah I'm definitely I'm 100% not traditional but I saying you are I'm just wondering what that means that's okay but I in

Lauren Harkinsterms of conservatism I feel like a lot of my values and the content I enjoy and the things that I agree with are more conservative than Progressive one those values oh I think that's what he was

Lauren Harkinsasking like what's TR um medical mandates for one medical mandates for what for but no I don't like yeah I mean I don't I don't I don't know where

Andrew Wilsonthat's I don't even know what the hell that means I believe in medical mandates um Oh you mean for oh okay for for that okay yeah but that's not a conservative there's plenty of progressives who never believed in mandates for lockdowns for

Andrew Wilsoninstance um so so what is an actual conservative value you adhere to a real value Second Amendment there there's liberals who believe in the Second

Lauren HarkinsAmendment okay um yeah I don't know I guess we just aren't seeing eye to eye on that one I I'm kind of a guns and no lockdowns and that's conservatism no I wouldn't say that's

Lauren Harkinsconservatism but I never claimed to be a true conservative I just said for the most part my values are conservative leading um but I I would say the opposite I would say they're very Progressive leading by the way if you

Andrew Wilsonstart off with I'm pro- choice right I think that any other position you have behind that is irrelevant when it comes to the progressive conservative dialectic that's fair I would say one thing though because I would like to

Lauren Harkinsclarify I feel like since becoming more conservative I can see where the where the other side is coming from with that but I would still say yes I am pro-choice however I can see where the other side is coming from I think that's

Andrew Wilsonimportant to note as well then I can see where the other side is coming from too they're just [ __ ] wrong right yeah and that's fair I feel like I'm like I said you're obviously more traditional

Lizand conservative than I am and I totally respect that but I'm not I'm not I do not associate traditionalism with conserv what is traditional then in this aspect right cuz like you know you're you're not traditional traditionalism is

Andrew Wilsonset with cultural standards it's just saying we're appealing to experiments that worked so men pay for dates uh they open car doors uh there's a way that they react and act around their families there's a way in which stoicism is

Andrew Wilsonapplied that's all the idea of traditionalism and application to culture conservatism is a political ideology based around the conservation of the ideal of the ethical framework of

Andrew WilsonChristianity that's what it is progressivism is the slow March the slow March towards social equality trying in every way possible to eliminate whatever

Andrew Wilsonception of Injustice exists on planet Earth that's the distinction between the two ideologies okay that's fair I mean I think to be honest you're a fantastic

Lauren Harkinsdebater you know way more about this than I do so I respect your opinion I respect your views um yeah I'm well I'm just trying to understand that's all yeah but anyway I appreciate I appreciate uh the inquiry I can see that

Brian AtlasBrian looks like he's going to punch himself in the mouth so I'm going to turn the the mic back over to him so he can move it on Fair I just wanted to try to get some of the other panelists uh

Lauren (horses)involved here um so going through the notes Here going to Lauren uh you're a horse girl that's what you put on the episode

Brian Atlasname yep you got five horses you got five horses um yep I does it ever again in the way of your

Brian Atlasdating M no I think guys find it interesting I ride horses okay I think it's super cool is there anything to the Trope of uh horse

Lauren (horses)girls being crazy is there anything there oh yeah I get that a lot are you crazy a little bit yeah why how are you crazy um I feel like my past has like

Lauren (horses)made me crazy like guys like made me crazy like not being communicative communicative or like not living up to the standard like I want so it created me like with trust issues so then it

Lauren (horses)kind of filtered into relationship so that's what kind of made me crazy okay and how did it filter into relationships the trust issue thing like when the guy said like is it fair if

Lauren (horses)like U my girl is like being crazy like if I've never broke her trust like I've definitely had my fair share of like something happened in my past and then

Lauren (horses)it kind of was like I don't how to explain this good like someone did something like in my my past and like someone in like who I'm currently dating is like kind of showing like signs of it and then I'll like go crazy about it be like well this is what

Lauren (horses)happened before like why would I think it's happening again and then I'd have to be like wait like this is a different person I'm dating I'm not dating that other person that kind of makes sense

Brian Atlasokay um people say horse girls are crazy but I've always found them rather

Andrew Wilsonstable I want to I want to be a horse girl some people think horse are real nightmares I don't know if I am a nightmare well I I I would like to uh to

Andrew Wilsondive into a couple things I've been uh been trying to do a little bit of math over here uh Brian can you play the math emblem I just want to make sure that that I have this right you have five

Andrew Wilsondifferent horses which are boarded all over the country and are currently being trained correct yeah okay what is the

Lauren (horses)average cost to have one of these is trained I just dropped 20 grand on all five of my horses so about 4 grand each

Andrew Wilsonright okay and how often do you have to drop payments on these horses being trained I'm sorry repeat that how often do you have to drop cash on these horses being trained that was a onetime payment

Lauren (horses)they were they're only there for about 4 to 6 months and I have to go and get them when I get back home so for wait for $20,000 you can have six horses

Andrew Wilsontrain basically five horses and they're they're boarding them for this cost as well feeding them all of that six of

Andrew Wilsonthem mhm five of them F oh I'm sorry five of them yeah so it's only $5,000 per horse to have them boarded

Andrew Wilsonfor 6 months in train mhm I don't I literally just don't believe that this is is even possible or I don't well try to be charitable here

Andrew Wilsonbut I just don't think anybody would board a horse for half a year for $5,000 and train it I know trainers pretty well up and down California that's why and so

Lauren (horses)just doing it as a favor some of them are some of them aren't um my most expensive for like 6 months was about 10

Lauren (horses)grand and you're shelling out all of this money yeah you shelled out $220,000 what do you do for a living I'm do social media management I'm a server and I

Lauren (horses)influencer mute it mute it mute it mute it well are are these like highly productive jobs when it comes to payment well yeah like I pay them either like we

Lauren (horses)have payment plans cuz like obviously I can't give out $10,000 at a time so like I'll pay them like monthly you're doing like payo yeah like after pay or like a credit card

Andrew Wilsonokay no I'm not like physically and have like a bag of cash and like here you go and there's no external help from the parents at all for the horses I just want to make sure we're clear that that's why I haven't been able to move out and I'm 21 I have more notes to get

Brian Atlasto you from you but before we do that I I did have uh want to ask this question it's related to a conversation we were having a little bit earlier on in the show I know some of you are in relationships But to answer the question

Brian Atlasas if you were uh single I suppose you can even answer this question despite your relationship status uh do you think men should pay for First Dates not always okay like pay for the meal or

Annasomething like that sure um yeah if I guess so yeah yes into

Brian Atlasthe mic if you can oh yes yes yes yes yes yeah okay you said yes yes yes yes I'm a little confused

Brian Atlashere because wouldn't that be a man falling into his traditional gender roles yes I love traditional gender

Brian Atlasroles but are you deserving of traditional treatment from men I believe so I think so yeah are you deserving I know you're in a relationship with a

Lizwoman but are you deserving of traditional treatment from men uh yeah wait the mic would it be the same thing like would you let a girl pay for your first meal hold on let's not

Lizthe rail answer the question sorry what was the question again are you deserving are you deserving of traditional treatment yeah of course I think so yes

Brian Atlashold on all four of you have been engaged in basically sex work you've all admitted to having sugar daddies is that

Lizeven approaching being a traditional woman having sugar daddies well if we're talking about like 50/50 like I like would say that like when you're first trying to establish a relation ship like if you can prove that like traditional

Lizbe like gender roles I think that's where you're going yeah um you have to for a woman like womenly duties man willing duties provide um but also be protective whatever the first coming first dates like yeah pay for the meal

Lizbut like when you're in a relationship and establish that a man might not always have that or be able to provide all that so you have to be able to match each other's energy like oh I'll pay for this if you know like cuz that's what

Lizrelationship but you do obviously want to like look good in front of the woman like I mean would you go on a date and not pay for the meal or would you let the girl pay for the meal that's asking is if you deserve it because you

Brian Atlasparticipated in sex work do you deserve a man a traditional man because you've done untraditional stripper you've done

Brian Atlassugaring or whatever um yeah of course yeah you still deserve it yeah okay all right um now you were talking about well once you get into a relationship then things can become a bit more 5050 you

Lizyou said your longest relationship was 2 years was it a 50/50 relationship well we were in junior college um yeah I would say it was 50/50 like but at the beginning he would pay for dates uh yeah okay like when we' go on our dates when

Lizwe went on movies he'd pay for the dates when I when he when I traveled to Chicago where he was from like I'd pay for other things like he would you pay for the flight yeah I paid for the flight

Lizmhm okay um but on the first dates you do want the guy to pay yeah and I think recalls back to like the accountability part like just because I danced back in the strip back in the day like doesn't

Lizmean like I consecutively still do it when's the last time you had a sugar daddy um like two years now mhm and

Brian Atlasuh if a guy didn't pay for the first date would there be a second date yeah I don't really think it matters that much you'd be you want a guy to pay for the first date but if he doesn't you'd be okay with it if he

Brian Atlasdidn't like would there be a second date if he didn't it's not a deal breaker so okay chck comes or the server comes will there be

Brian Atlasanything else no uh two checks please will there be a second date yeah of course will there be a second date yeah

Incidentalat least you still stand on business if their personality is good yes no no way okay hash what's your

Brian Atlasprice that's your price right there well I guess what is difficult for me to understand is uh

Brian Atlasuh why do you Des like why should a man pay for a first date that's what I want to know because a man asked me out so why you going to ask me out if you

Brian Atlascan't pay for do you ask do you ask guys out do I ask guys out absolutely not have you ever asked a guy out no okay so de facto men have to ask to

Daisyget a date I feel like the reason that I believe men should always ask out women is because I think it's a masculine thing so is it m well is it feminine to

Brian Atlasbe uh duping men out of their money on a for dates is that feminine and

Daisytraditional cares I think it's feminine right cuz I it's feminine to uh CU feminine to manipulate and take advantage of men financially I guess you can see it's more a female thing more F

Andrew Wilsonyeah it's like a female thing I'm actually um I'm willing to Grant this I'm willing to just kind of grant that it's true that it's far more masculine for a man to ask a woman out on a date than of course it would be feminine for a woman to ask a man out I'm just

Daisyactually willing to just kind of grant that that's true can you tell me why it's masculine to pay for the date though because I mean I mean now like I think things are different like I think like um like the pay and everything but

Andrew Wilsonback in the day I feel like the reason men always paid for first days was because they make more money they're the providers right men are like providers protectors well no no they had expectations as suitors that they could

Andrew Wilsonpotentially be finding a woman who they could have children with and the expectation came that she would likely be a virgin or likely have uh almost no body count whatsoever and would be a good wife to them Etc ET so they were

Andrew Wilsonwilling to Shell that out in order to find the right ones uh in order to have their children and be a good wife and all of those things uh this is a whole different scenario now and again I'm

Andrew Wilsonkind of willing to just grant that it's far more masculine for a man to ask out a woman than it is feminine for a woman to ask out a man I'm just willing to Grant that's true but why is it more masculine to pay that's what I'm not sure

Daisyabout I mean for me the men that I encounter usually just make more money but like I don't think a men even if they don't make as much money I don't understand why it's a masculine Trope to

Daisypay why is that why is that masculine I didn't did I say that was masculine to pay you said it was masculine to pay yeah you said it was like a masculine thing to pay but I think like it comes out like a general masculine is just

Andrew Wilsonlike G I know it's just like yeah gender rules right like it's just so you have the expectation that men will pay because of gender rules yeah I mean just for the first date I mean and what are

Andrew Wilsonwomen's gender rules supposed to be should they be virgins as part of their gender role no I don't think they need to be virgins oh okay well then no I don't think think that men should have to adhere to any gender rules if you don't

Brian Atlasthink that women should have to adhere to any of theirs right yeah that's fair yeah makes sense makes sense to each their own so I guess almost Andrew

Brian Atlasalready made the point but just to kind of reframing a little bit should men pay for first AIDS just to you

DaisyH they don't have to no but should should they yes should women be virgins should women be virgins yes

Brian Atlas[Laughter] no okay there you have it okay it's interesting women have completely abandoned and cast aside any and all of

Brian Atlasuh their traditional gender roles yet with the utmost entitlement still expect men to adhere to their traditional gender roles I find

Brian Atlasthat interesting um kind of like the buffet of equality you want to pick and choose what benefits you men men have to still exist

Brian Atlasin the 1950s world but women can exist in a 2024 World where you do o You're A Stripper you do sugar daddy websites you

Brian Atlasdo all this stuff but men should pay for first first AIDS men should be providers men should protect you blah blah blah blah blah it's uh interesting how that that

Andrew Wilsonworks in fact uh let's dive a little deeper what gender roles should women take on should they take on any female gender roles like what should they

Andrew Wilsonactually take on as females what well what are they well for instance hang on let me ask her real quick she she was making the the the claims first so I want to ask you directly what what

Daisyactual gender role should women take on well I mean I still think women should have like a low body count I just don't think being a virgin is like a possibility nowadays because I mean you

Andrew Wilsondate people and then after Lauren I mean I guess you just have to I mean I feel like okay okay so low

Andrew Wilsonbody count what what other gender role what guy won date you more than a couple months if you don't end up having a sexual relationship with them so how are you supposed to to marry now what other

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