34 Year Old VlRGlN Has CRAZY High Standards?! PREGNANT From A One Night Stand?! | Dating Talk #192

Date: 2024-09-02

Duration: 7h 22m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSarah (DT192)>

NNancy (DT192)>

LLauren (DT192-horses)>

DDaisy (DT192)>

LLauren Harkins >

MMadison (DT192)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Anna(guest)

SPEAKER_03Daisy(guest)

SPEAKER_04Liz(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Sarah(guest)

SPEAKER_11Nancy(guest)

SPEAKER_12Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lauren (horses)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lauren Harkins(guest)

Key Moments

OtherSarah reveals one-night-stand pregnancy story: flew to Virginia to meet Discord server owner, got pregnant from single encounter. Father declined involvement.

“I got pregnant um me and his his dad isn't involved so how long were you dating the uh father of your child not long that was uh just someone I hooked up with”

IntroLauren Harkins reveals she is a 34-year-old secular virgin who has never been on a date. She reads her own New York Post article aloud.

“I am a virgin at 34 years old”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Lauren Harkins on whether her secular virginity is truly a virtue or identity-based (attention/empowerment). She partially concedes the identity point.

“I wanted to make sure that I have this uh this right...it's the pursuance really of Virgin but the fact that pursuing this path has now become part and partial of your identity”

QuoteLauren Harkins states her ideal man is 'like Aaron Rodgers' — 6'2, NFL-level status, millionaire, conservative-leaning.

“I would say like Google someone like Aaron Rogers is my ideal”

TopicBrian asks who has had a sugar daddy. Anna and Liz raise hands. Opens discussion of transactional dating.

“really quick first off shove hands who here has had a sugar daddy before”

Key MomentRatings round begins. Brian introduces the 1-10 scale ratings question, no 7s allowed.

“all right we have a question from Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven”

ControversyAndrew Wilson interrogates Liz on her self-rating of 9. Extended back-and-forth where she is unable to name who the prettiest girl at the table is while claiming she is not the prettiest, then reverses and says she is.

“I think that I'm a nine the question referred to is how you see yourself”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions & relationship statuses

Each guest introduces name, age, location, occupation. Relationship statuses: Sarah (married, one-night-stand pregnancy story), Anna (lesbian relationship), Nancy (single, 3 kids, was engaged 12yrs), Liz (single 3-4yrs), Lauren (new relationship), Daisy (single 8mo), Lauren Harkins (never dated, 34yo virgin), Madison (single). Extensive discussion of Lauren Harkins' secular virginity.

Sarah's one-night-stand pregnancy story

Sarah (SPEAKER_10) met a man on Discord (a gaming server), flew to Virginia after ~1 month, got pregnant from the first encounter. Father not involved. Later found Christ; practiced celibacy with current (now-husband) boyfriend. Celibacy change led to arguments and temporary breakup before eventual marriage (Feb 2024). Discussion of early pregnancy detection (8 days post-ovulation).

Dating apps / online dating discussion

Anna met girlfriend on Tinder. Liz recently joined app. Nancy was on Texas-based dating apps; flew to Texas to date. Brief discussion of Hinge vs Tinder preferences.

Entertainment value in partners / boring vs charismatic debate

Panel discussion on importance of being 'entertained' by a partner. Brian argues he does not need a woman to entertain him; prioritizes peace over charisma. Nancy rates entertainment 10/10 importance. Andrew provides his famous 'top 5 criteria' (all variations of 'very attractive').

Approaching men in bars / rejection dynamics

Lauren (horses) describes how her current boyfriend approached her twice at a bar in Clovis before she responded. Panel discussion on why men approach but women rarely do. Brian argues women are terrible at handling rejection because they never have to approach. Nancy claims she approaches men regularly and handles rejection well.

Lauren Harkins virgin discussion — secular vs virtuous chastity

Andrew Wilson interrogates Lauren Harkins about motivation behind staying a virgin. Argues her virginity is identity-based (attention/empowerment) rather than virtuous. Lauren partially concedes it has become part of her identity. Discussion of her high standards (Aaron Rodgers ideal type, millionaire+, emotional connection). Brian questions whether her expectations are realistic.

Sugar daddy / transactional dating discussion

Anna reveals she had a sugar daddy in freshman year and received ~$4,000 in one month. Liz (Lauren-horses) also raised hand as having had a sugar daddy. Panel and Brian/Andrew debate whether sugar dating is a form of prostitution. Andrew argues moral inconsistency — calling it wrong then saying men deserve to be played.

Self-rating round (looks, 1-10 scale, no 7s)

Liz: 9. Nancy: 8. Daisy: 8 or 9. Lauren Harkins: 6 (pale under lights). Madison: 6 (initially 5, then 6). Brian: 4.5 (down from 6, gained weight). Andrew: 3.5 (without beard). Extended debate when Liz claims 9 and Andrew challenges whether she truly believes she is the prettiest at the table.

Honesty debate — women rating each other / social lies

Andrew argues women systematically lie to avoid hurting each other's feelings when rating appearances. Compares to men's brutal but productive critique culture. Most panel members refuse to name who they think is most attractive at the table. Nancy admits she tells friends honest weight feedback when asked.

Feminist panel debate / women voting / submission

Going around the table: who identifies as feminist? Discussion of whether women should vote, whether husbands' votes should count for the household. Lauren Harkins: women should have the right to vote. Lauren (horses) discusses submission in marriage — says she would submit to a 'good man'. Andrew challenges panel on whether they want cake-and-eat-it-too approach to modern vs traditional gender roles.

Bear vs man in the forest debate

Classic Whatever debate: if you're in a forest and randomly encounter either a bear or a man, which do you choose? Liz: man. Nancy: boring (man), definitely man. Daisy: man. Madison: man. Lauren (horses): bear — has been camping, can scare off bears, unpredictable men. Sarah (SPEAKER_10): man (faster to run from man). Lauren Harkins: man. Andrew/Brian challenge the bear choosers on statistical risk.

Transcript

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Lizdetail and what what I'll often see go ahead go ahead answer sorry I was going to answer you cuz I it was a question but yes and no I feel like it comes with a woman that you hang out with so like in my friend group a lot of us us are very much more like you don't compare

Lizour friends and that's something we literally had a discussion about on the way here because it's like hey I find it insulting that you're going to be like well I think you're the hottest friend in the group like eill first because you're not going to compete with your friends if you feel like something

Andrew Wilsondoesn't look good that enh okay hang on hang on let's untangle two ideas okay out loud saying that thing those things out loud sure absolutely I'm asking about what goes on in your brain right

Andrew Wilsonif it doesn't look you better tell me in your brain really saying that you sit down with your friend group and never make judgment like come on really everybody judges Jud yeah of course of course right but but but my My ultimate

Andrew Wilsonpoint for bringing this up is to tell you that the I know that that's true and you know that that's true but so often women will kind of lie and be like no I never judge anybody I'm I'm the I'm the

Andrew Wilsonmost nonjudgmental person ever I have never judged any other woman ever I am the key point of all that is feminism and I would never right I would never do

Andrew Wilsonso and it's like come on are you [ __ ] serious so the thing is is like part of what this idea of accountability is is just to say like look we know that it's

Liztrue just Fest the [ __ ] up right be accountable to the things that are actually happening does is that fair yeah it shouldn't be that big of a barrier for it to be like that serious if it's that serious then it means it

Lizobviously bugs you or like you find it get like you find it more like like attacking if not like controversy like if it's such a controversy thing that that means it bothers you so much to do it and if it doesn't bother you then

Lizjust like okay this is what it is and if it's not meant to be then it's just like okay [ __ ] it there's more fish in the sea but this is what it is and I'm I did [ __ ] and do all this stuff for accountability reasons but like this is what I want in the future that goes like

Andrew Wilsona big long way and I think a lot of women don't really see it that way like they just I think you're right I think you're right and the thing is is like you might you might outright get rejected by such honesty but the truth

Nancyis is at least you have integrity and that you'll at least walk away with some [ __ ] respect right 100% Andrew so what about how about if like for me a

Nancybigger more important issue is like um like abortions like I think how come guys aren't asking how many have you had an abortion have you had any abortions like that to me would be like a really big sign to your point of like

Andrew Wilsondo I want to marry this woman that's something that like um well no I'm just Rel count how does that correlate I mean it correlates for the purpose you know what I'm saying right

Andrew Wilsonokay yeah I do I do I think I think it's a good point right and it's it's it's set to the value structure right so I think that if you were with a person or dating a person who was a Christian

Andrew Wilsonfollowed Christian ethics they likely would want your stance on abortion I don't think they'd come right out and ask you because sitting down at the first date and saying that you Mur murder babies might be a little over the

Andrew Wilsontop right but think that they would at least ask your stance on this think that's what I was getting confused at asking like not so much no I wouldn't ever ask Rand because I think the typical person I guess like the typical

Sarahwoman's not getting abortion so I think that's a random question to ask that's a very specific one yeah I was relating it to the body count question what do you mean the typical woman's not yeah I think a lot of women do and it's really

Andrew Wilsonme what is that I think the typical woman is getting abortions I think you're completely wrong I think that's typal I mean yeah I guess I think yeah I agree um wait is Plan B considered like abortion would you consider that

Sarahabortion there's there's some different conversations going around on if like Plan B is considered an abortion I would say that um as far as like what research has been done it's it's a preventative and it's not uh considered like a

Sarahtermination of pregnancy and we're talking about abortion what do you mean it's not considered a termination of well what the hell is it is there a life in the womb or is there not a life so with I guess with so I fun I don't agree

Sarahwith Plan B like I I don't agree with that that doesn't answer my question I would say that plan B um it what it delays ovulation right if I'm wrong it would delay ovulation from occurring

Andrew Wilsontherefore fertilization would not have a chance to occur right like in the case of taking Plan B is that plan b or is that the there's no life in no B is the morning after pill oh okay yeah we're

Sarahnot talking about like my there is an abortion okay but there is an abortion pill is the one that terminates pregnancy after fertilization occurs there's some

Sarahiuds that also um make the uterus an inhabitable inhabitable environment um which I disagree with which takes a fertilized um blast assist and

Andrew Wilsonterminates the pregnancy so um we could argue like that but yeah yeah yeah well no no no so so my position would just be uh for abortion I think most I think I

Andrew Wilsonthink most people from the Christian purview though U though mine would be even extreme than this I would at least concede to um at least the rationale of there is no life there now you can make

Andrew Wilsonthis there is kind of as as EXT no for Plan B I thought you just said there wasn't oh not for Plan B sorry I thought you yeah so for Plan B I think that you can make this as kind of extru as you want you can say well we could get into

Andrew Wilsonseen itself being the seed of life and the different religious beliefs around that but I think we at least stick with the idea that if there's no life present we uh most men would probably say okay

Sarahyou're not having an abortion here yeah there's like preventative and then when you're talking abortion you're talking the actual elective um like murdering of a baby in utero um so that's yeah yeah

Andrew Wilsonso but but but that aside uh when when she's making the statement she's actually asking about abortion itself so she's saying okay are you going in and having an abortion done you say that's

Sarahnot typical I disagree I think it's very tyal it's very typical I would say yeah I mean since I guess in the last decade yeah I mean there have been what 70 million abortions that have occurred and pretty typical yeah and I think per year

Sarahit's like 2 million um I guess I misspoke on that I think it's I think where I C like thrown off was if I guess if I were on a first day and a man asked me if I had an abortion I guess I'd be

Nancythrown off and of course I would say no um and that I'm pro-life but it's just yeah I guess I just haven't heard that one before it was just a comparison I would I don't think people are saying that on dates maybe and maybe maybe in the super Christian Community but it was

Andrew Wilsonjust a a comparison for the whole like how I don't think that they would I think that they would try to gauge what your stance was on it in general they say what what is your stance here on

Andrew Wilsonthis and then they can use an inference there right I don't even think most men would just come write out and ask you your body count either they would use inferences first right but I don't actually see there being a problem with

Andrew Wilsoneither question have you ever had an abortion seems reasonable to me that seems like a reasonable question just like you were saying that the woman

TTS/Donationswho um is accountable Dylan Joe donated $200 is it fair for your chick to have trust issues with you even if you're innocent and show no signs of being

Brian Atlasunfaithful Andrew all right that one came in earlier I'm moving the conversation on uh so that TTS came in earlier is it fair for your chick to have trust issues with

Brian Atlasyou even if you're innocent and show no signs of being is this is this a question for the the women at the

Brian Atlastable or the men on the mic it sounds like a question these questions sometimes um you can go both ways I guess thank you Dylan uh is it fair for your chick to have trust issues

Brian Atlasno it's not fair I don't think so I don't think it's fair I don't think it's fair either that's her own issues she's bringing into the projecting onto the man it's kind of like when a chick

Brian Atlasdreams that you cheat on her and then holds that [ __ ] against you that in her dream you cheated on her so trust that you come with like if you have trash issues and you're like openly dating I

Lizfeel like you need to like secure your own um confidence and like you can project a lot of your insecurities onto like relationships yeah I agree and then

TTS/Donationsthis one came in techn Trooper donated $200 how many bodies is is too many bodies for a female what is past the threshold where it is

Brian Atlasunacceptable it's a good question I think I depends on the age I mean once you start getting into I'm not saying it's 100% deal breaker but

Brian Atlascertainly once hang on hang on Brian he said for a female right yeah wait like as in too many bodies from a woman's perspective how many bodies oh I don't think so

Brian AtlasI think it can be read the other way how many too many bodies for a female to have your perspective I want to hear yours I'm why I mean it's not a deal breaker immediately but I think once you

Lizget above 10 then it's an eyebrow is what if you have 10 in the time span of you having from the age that you did have sex let me just

Lizmake up a number 19 to let's say like I'm 26 10 right but let's say I'm 33-year-old virgin and then I end up discovering sex and I like have like 10 or 12 just cuz I finally Let It Go but

Lizit also comes with accountability like Andrew was saying like is it that really such a deal breaker part or is that too much just cuz of like the time span of it or is it just because of the experience of you being with 10 men so

Brian Atlasyou say the question is essentially a woman who's had sex with one guy a year for x amount of years versus a woman who's had sex with 10 Partners in the span of one year is it the time span or

Andrew Wilsonis it the people or is it the number both I think we'd look at it well I think most men would look at it the same way though I think it would it would throw a greater red flag if they did them back kind of like back to back to back that would show that would show

Andrew Wilsoneven less kind of restraint but I think that they would look at the overall count so the way I look at it is this this is an arbitrary metric I'm not going to deny that it's an arbitrary metric it's based on preference right there's nothing that I can point to

Andrew Wilsonwhere I can say this is the diet in the wool metric which every man follows or should follow but I can say this as a almost definite across the board the

Andrew Wilsonless the better and since it is always the case that it is the less the better at least in almost all men that I have talked to um then every single time that

Andrew Wilsonyou have sex with a new man this is going to lower your value in the eyes of most men so I would that's how I would frame it I couldn't give you an exact number but I don't think I need to if

Andrew Wilsonyou know that every single one above one makes you worth less at least in the eyes of men than if you had

Nancyzero does that make sense yeah it makes sense um but do you also would you also agree that um there are other things that you could bring to

Nancythe table that could raise your value so it's kind of like this chart graph of like different things that come together to make a whole no I here's the thing I would say I would say on the issuance of

Andrew WilsonBody Count loyalty is what that's pointing to so let me explain this the the best way that I can uh paternity testing is a modern invention and is something which is very recent before

Andrew Wilsonthe idea of paternity testing came around how would a man be able to judge if his offspring was his or if he had been cockled it and his wife had slept with somebody else had their offspring

Andrew Wilsonand now this man is Raising Offspring unwittingly which is not his own the only way to really determine that metric would be to have a woman who was a virgin and the reason uh that you would

Andrew Wilsonwant that is because then you know that this woman is devoted only to you whereas if she'd had multiple sexual partners before that it's much more difficult to make the determination she

Andrew Wilsonwould be with you and now with paternity testing we know how many women lie about paternity it's actually a great many more than we ever thought so so I think that this is something which is

Nancyhardwired into men for a good reason yeah but just also because a woman's a virgin in a relationship doesn't mean she's not going to cheat on you and go run around and I think all that I think

Andrew WilsonI think that the likelihood though that a woman who is a virgin in a relationship with you does run around is going to be far less than likelihood of a woman who is promiscuous doing so

Nancywouldn't you agree um well what if you've just like awakened this vir what if Lauren here is some like hidden like freak and she like gets awakened and now she's just like running around

Brian Atlaswait hold on so so really quick so really quick on the whole cheating thing really quick on the whole cheating thing I actually I me personally while it can be an indicator for potential infidelity

Brian Atlasat least for me that's not really the primary reason frankly I just think it's gross yeah I can't even articulate precisely why I couldn't even why I actually could but that's why you think

Nancyit's gross it's just disgusting I can I can respect that little bit more I agree with that opinion more cuz that like I can understand that one that's why it's disgusting don't you understand like the

Andrew Wilsonreason that men find it disgusting is because of that hardwired innate understanding of if you're sleeping with multiple men I cannot determine Offspring that's why it's disgusting to men that's why they find it gross it's

Andrew Wilsonlike it's not enough to just say it's gross right the justification for is very simple and so we dive into this like I'd like to engage directly with your argument right and your argument is what if you awaken the Beast now you've

Andrew Wilsonslept with this virgin woman and what you be you know if you wake in that be she well I suppose it's possible milk man coming by yeah here's what the data shows here's what here's what we know

Andrew Wilsonfrom the data because women who marry as virgins have only the sample size of their husband right that's the sample that they have they think that's the best sex in the world what the [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonwould they have to compare it to right yeah I actually have friends that they they have nothing to compare it to so so that's why the longevity and the faithfulness in those relationships

Nancytends to be much higher than it is in the general public could I have some very happily married couple friends that have been together since high school that have never been with anybody else so I totally see that I've also had seen

Nancyon the other side of the spectrum um you know really unhappy like people that wanted to like resented that they wish they had more experience and I've also seen people with a lot of experience can't argue with your anecdotes I can't

Andrew Wilsonargue with anecdotal experience so I'm going to defer to what we see from polls and data from people who are studied who enter into virgin relationships their divorce rate their marriage rate their happiness rates and their infidelity

Andrew Wilsonrates I'll defer to when we have a much larger sample size than what I personally have seen but rather them being followed so that we understand what the outcomes of those types of relationships are and here's what we see

Andrew Wilsonjust so yet you know what we see specifically is that men and women who get married as virgins their uh relationships last far longer their divorce rates are far less far far far

Andrew Wilsonless and if a man marries a virgin who's not a virgin same thing almost the same identical outcome however if the woman is promiscuous and the man is promiscuous the outcome is usually bad

Andrew Wilsonwhen it comes to divorce same thing if only one partner is promiscuous so what we can ascertain from this is that if you're both virgins and you get married it's no guarantee that you won't awaken

Nancythe beast in the woman but it's a great mitigating Factor isn't it it's great it's a great way to mitigate example yeah and also though um you know somebody with a lot of experience could

Nancyjust as easily like know what they want now and know what they don't want and and sometimes um I also want to bring up sometimes you know women have been in unfortunate situations and circumstances as a young child and there's there's

Andrew Wilsontrauma and sometimes you find yourself in um unfortunate situations but you can change you can totally change greatest cops ever by women it's one of this is one of the greatest copes that I've that

Andrew WilsonI hear from women is the idea that I had childhood trauma well here's the thing I'm just going to be blunt with you everybody has [ __ ] childhood trauma everybody every human being on Earth has childhood trauma men or women it's just

Andrew Wilsonthat when men complain about it nobody gives a [ __ ] and when women complain about it there's a woman there to go oh sweetie oh sweetheart I'm so sorry that that happened oh it's so terrible that that happened that the man was mean to you when you were oh sweet is there

Andrew Wilsonanything can I give you my other shoulder to cry on too when it comes to men we just don't give a we're like well suck it up butter come get your ass back to work because we got to get this project done by five well I do um

Nancydisagree that everybody has had childhood sexual trauma I don't think that has okay I'm moving it all highly prevent men where does this idea come from thaten [ __ ] oh sorry all right well

Brian Atlasnever mind all right saying um Nick pull up twitch Bri's displeased go [Music] ahead guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow on the prime sub if you

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Brian Atlasappreciate it guys and then uh what else do we have I'm just going to get into uh some pre-show notes Here going to Liz you said that you're super single in your pre-show

Brian Atlasnotes I'm trying to recall if you said there's some people something at all in the picture currently dating oh Super Single um let's pull up her dating app why not

Brian Atlaslet's do that really quick oh [ __ ] we'll do that really quick go ahead Nick that's crazy all right hot

Brian AtlasSE all right guys here's her here's her hinge Nick you looked at these before correct d it Nick all right uh are you able to scroll down a bit

Brian Atlasso his opinions don't obviously matter spider bees Nick what is what are those two I'm scared of complete darkness okay there's two phobias there

Lizso what are right Sal phobia is that ass phobia I'm just playing deep Waters it is deep Waters thank you so much I wanted to see okay

Lizso like nicop phobia thank you laundry it's more like I'm scared of complete like Darkness meaning like pitch Darkness like I can't see my like my hands my feet and that like is scary cuz

LizI like start thinking of things like what is out there and obviously that's like just that but phalos phobia is deep water so I I I know how to swim I like to

Lizswim got it okay uh you said you're Christian you're Christian what what uh denomination I actually grew up Mormon but I would consider myself Christian

Liznow because I I'm still like religious so I still go to church on like every other Sunday I'm trying to do better uh what's the denomination of the church

LizChristianity non- denominational like um Pentecostal um you by chance go to St Baptist so no I would I like honestly I haven't really like investigated that much but I wanted to reach out to

Lizchurches and I didn't want to go back to like Mormon um so I looked at the churches that were nearby and I went to a couple and that one really stood out to me in the sense of like the pastor and what he preaches um and like um like

Brian Atlasenergy based cuz I've like tried like Jehovah wnis is I didn't really it wasn't really intriguing um all right let's go back to the profile please

Brian Atlasyeah yeah okay boom next it's cute together we could cook work out hopefully make each other laugh

Brian Atlasokay uh green flags I look for communication patience Charisma family oriented sense of humor optimism

LizEtc I don't know man that sounds like a lot of work okay not as much as [ __ ] Lawrence all right don't [ __ ] put me there I was going to press the button

Andrew Wilsonbut I got cut off so I I would press wait you don't know the rule of Laurens so just so you know all lawen are evil

Andrew Wilsonfrom B this is for laen is there more last we're evil from birth he said birth every Lauren Andrew please expand that's

Andrew Wilsonme too what do you mean she's also Lauren we have two Laurens here wait why I don't I don't know why it's like it's like a universal law I've never been able to figure it out but there is no such thing as a Lauren who is not

Andrew Wilsonevil from birth I have no idea I'm not evil from birth don't think I am I think my ex is have something else to say about that we we need whatever poll to see if Laurens

Lauren Harkinsare evil from birth honestly I've never met a Lauren I didn't like but I have a really sweet friend named Lauren bias you're biased it's a great I think laur's a great

Brian Atlasname you name Lauren uh so going around the table uh those of you who are single uh I know you you're married relationship uh do you have a do you currently have a

Nancyroster of guys I think you said you're dating a couple people um well I no when I said dating I meant like I'm I'm single and I'm open to dating like I'm not dating a specific person

Nancywhat when the last time you went on a date um H I guess I went to a concert last night with some people and some people

NancyMH was it a day no it was like a it was a group of people there was other single people there I feel like this is very coded language there I I went on a concert with some people and there were other

Brian Atlassingle people there as well that were in the group wait was it like one of these single outing groups that meet up type no it went with a friend and her friends

Nancyswingers no I'm just kidding one of the friends of her friends um last time I was on like a date date um what was the concert Creed oh it was so good okay can

Incidentalcan I get your best Creed impression oh can you take me higher wa yes ma'am all right there you go um um okay so when's the last time you were

Brian Atlason the date um like like dinner what do you mean uh when's the last time you hung out one-on-one with a man where there

Brian Atlaswas a mutual or potentially Mutual romantic interest okay or sexual interest probably like a month ago or so okay yeah is he out of the

Brian Atlaspicture um no not out of the picture okay how long have you been hanging out with this individual [Music]

Nancyum there's like an Onan off again person that's been in my life for like seven years on again off again and um yeah so there's there's that

Nancyperson being a little evasive I'm single what do you want what do you want do you [ __ ] or not I um am open to talking about some past experiences but I don't feel

Nancycomfortable talking about and um my current life right now dating you've been seeing this guy for seven years no I mean this is just somebody this is like very pertinent to

Nancythe conversation it's um somebody that is in an off again phase right now so he in prison no no no no no no we both just um prison you don't need to tell me his name or

Brian Atlasanything no I know it's just not I'm not going to talk about that well I'll I'll ask some questions if you don't want to answer them that's fine but so you said you were on a date a month

Nancyago uh was it with said guy who you can't talk about no okay no but so I okay I guess I met somebody at I met somebody at an event and went out with friends after the

Brian Atlasevent went out for drinks after the event with this person but yeah a month ago yeah so you met him a month ago or did have you known him for longer um the

Nancyperson that I technically wanted to date with last yes I I met him a month ago and we went on a date have you seen him since or

Nancyno um we've talked so compated nowadays you've talked yeah have you met in person um I don't want to talk about

Brian Atlasthat stuff right now I mean I why not uh just I know hold on I think I know exactly why there's multiple men in the picture and you don't want to let on to

Nancythese other men these multiple men who you're seeing actually who actually for what reason I'll the reason whatever what other reason would you refuse this question I'll tell you right now um my son is a huge fan of this show and I

Nancyreally hope he doesn't watch this podcast but I keep my dating life private for my children wa you asked to come on a dating discussion yeah because I was hoping it would be a little bit more like politically involved well we can

Nancyget there but so that's what I was actually hoping for more like you know I said I'm talking about some of my some of my past experiences well you're you're not well you're not silly right we could we could refer to this ex as

Andrew WilsonSasquatch or like whatever you want in order to in order to make it so that you can talk about these experiences in a way that we can understand Without You outing any of this actual pertinent

Nancyinformation right uh yeah potentially it's just that my kid like he just discovered that I'm dating like he for a longest time only thought I only had one boyfriend after his dad for eight years so it's just we're not talking about a

Andrew Wilsonboyfriend we're talking about a Sasquatch right right like if you were to date to Sasquatch what would that be right something like this I think you you you don't seem like um like you're uh you're

Andrew Wilsonfoolish right I think that we can work this in in such a way where uh where you can discuss these issues without you outing any personal details nor do we want you

Brian Atlasto yeah uh what is it that you would like to know about um the date well I was more interested in the

Nancywhole roster situation I don't have a roster right now I date I put myself I stopped dating men in California a year ago why because of a lot of political

Nancystuff you know I really like more conservative men and so I started um dating in Texas where it's bigger but you live in California I do but I was hoping to move out

Brian Atlasthere wait with your three kids no just with um just my son and I my daughters are established here in they're older so wait you have three kids right mhm you

Brian Atlashave one that just is 17 yeah but she graduated high school already okay she's going to college and then you have a younger daughter 15-year-old sophomore and then your son is 11 in sixth grade

Nancyokay yeah so he and I wait why don't you do you have wait do you uh have full custody of your children uh well I never took him to court for any custody Arrangement until last year and the

Nancygirls are at discretion to go with their dad and his his son our son can see him only if he agrees to not have the girlfriend around well assuming you met somebody and you could move to Texas now you would no not I would not be able to

Nancyleave with um without permission written permission from him since I kind of shot myself in the foot by taking him to court because now I can't leave if I wanted to without written permission wait and

Nancyso but I had to I had to take him to court so you'd have to wait I'm confused but you said you want to I had wanted to it didn't work out so

Brian AtlasI'm not doing would he be would he consider granting you permission to move I don't know we really don't talk um does he ever have the kids rarely rarely and if he does it's our our son how

Nancyoften does he visit um he could go six months without seeing him or see him every weekend it's really open open to him I would never keep my

Brian Atlaskid's father from from knowing that you are essentially barred from leaving why are you pursuing a man who lives in Texas um I'm not anymore doing that

Nancybecause I now I can't I'm for sure not moving but that's what I did last year so last year I stopped dating men in California because you wanted to meet a conservative guy in Texas other things I

Brian Atlaslike about Texas too there's a lot of Li liberals in Texas too there are there are um okay and so uh have you at any point have you had a

Nancyroster yes okay uh how big was the roster uh not big small two three guys uh I would at at a time I would I guess

LizI would say two okay what about you ever had a roster um I would yeah I I mentioned that earlier that I've had my um hose you said

Lizhose yeah Fair stage of Hose um but that doesn't necessarily mean like having sex like what is a to you in your like definition does that mean like sexually active with them or you just dating them

Brian Atlasand talking to them like I mean it could mean sexual activity but I would say like if you're dating multiple men I mean like I've

Brian Atlastalked to some but like I think like have you ever okay let's just I'll just make it simple let's just do like sexual have you ever had a roster of guys who

Andrew Wilsonyou've been hooking up with ah it'd be more like just running back to my exes you remember that whole accountability conversation we were having right come on tell us about the

LizRost tell us about I'm getting there I'm getting there what I'm saying was that like I wouldn't like for me like oh okay like I didn't want to do the one say like I would do more like I would run to my exes and that was my issue like oh I

Lizwanted if I wanted like to whatever quick nut or just be like sexually or like just bust it out there you know what I'm saying instead of adding another body would you ever be sexually

Brian Atlasinvolved with multiple men at the same time and when I say same time I mean say a period of a week a month something like this

Lizum no it would be like sexually active with one entertaining some mhm like talking dating wise but like the other one would strictly just for like sexual basis so there'd be like you'd have one

Brian Atlasguy who you're sleeping with and then maybe you'd be going on like a date here and there with like another dude yeah would you ever tell that other dude that you're waiting to have sex with

Brian Atlashim oh I oh never mind I just going to I'm sorry repeat your question like the the men while you were kind of had the roster roster whatever would you ever tell them that you want to wait to have

Brian Atlassex with them the people that I'm like my ex relationships that I like just like be invol with you said there'd be like one guy who you're sleeping with yeah and then there would be other guys who you're not sleeping with but like you're

Brian Atlasgoing on a date or a second date that sort of thing yeah what would you tell them cuz I assume they wanted to sleep with you right would you tell them that you're waiting to have sex I mean it kind of just goes with

Lizlike see what our Vibe is if there I always do have a conversation like obviously like are you sexually active with other people before we make the jump of having sex like okay yeah okay this is what it is like this is the last person I had sex with I had sex with my ex I'm just going to be honest cuz at

Sarahthe end of the day like I'd rather be honest than just like beat her around the bush about it like and then I hope to receive the same back I think what he's asking is are you withholding sex from the guys that you're going on

Lizcasual dates with um now I would say yes back then I did discover my confidence and I would like be like oh yeah let's do this or I

Lizfelt sexy or I felt the vibe or I don't dolge in like smoking or drinking to like do that but now no back then

Madisonhuh oh it was what good call was it out or was it out not like too much but it could have been sorry what happens when you have

Liztits sorry so back to um the discussion I'm sorry did I answer your question or were you all right here I'll move it on

Andrew Wilsonroster have you ever you're you're labula a little bit here right so um backing up yeah yeah so so so backing up I feel like you're spinning a yarn here worse than Rumple still skin so can you

Andrew Wilsoncan you just like be a little bit more concise with what it is that you're saying because you're kind of going all over the place here I'm trying to find the question the direct say for example

SarahI'm like sleeping with a guy um and I go on dates with two other guys um you would ask me like am I he's trying to ask like am actually that was bad

Sarahhypothetical okay he's asking if you are withholding sex from these guys that you were going on dates with while you were also having a sexual relationship with someone else like are you telling these

Sarahguys oh I want to wait to have sex while you're also having a sexual Okay Okay no Okay uh ever had a roster yes uh what was what was the scope of it um it was only like three and then I ended up

Lauren (horses)dating one it was the one that I just recently got out of mhm and were you hooking up with all of them no I was only with him and but you were all you were dating three at a time well I was say like dating I would say like we

Lauren (horses)would hang out we're like cutie and flirty and we would like go out with like group of friends it was never just like oneon-one

Lauren (horses)wait what do you mean like we would like all like it would be like me him and then his friends and then like my girlfriends we would like all go out together but we liked each other but we never went like on a date with each

Lauren (horses)other sorry the main guy that you liked no the other two they wait they would also all all three of the men would be

Lauren (horses)on a date together with you no so like what first like the main guy like that ended up dating him and I would just hang out all the time like just me and him together and we would go on dates we would just be us two or would be like me

Lauren (horses)and his sister or like I'd hang out with his family and then the other two I would hang out in like group settings okay individually sure sure yeah uh what

Daisyabout you roster current no roster current I mean I'm like dating so like going on multiple dates is that a roster uh yeah well let's talk about that so

Brian Atlasyou you're dating you're going on multiple dates um how many have you been on a date this week past week this week probably two two dates mhm okay and they

Brian Atlaswere they both First Dates one of them yes the other one no okay uh past month how many dates have you gone on um like

Brian Atlassix how many different like six different guys six six guys six different guys okay all right it's just dating though so it's not like anything

Brian Atlassexual okay so you're not hooking up with anybody no you think I'm lying I don't know I don't know what the

Brian Atlastruth is um it's okay your friend back there's laughing so she's can we see them the reflection I'm trying to

Brian Atlassee uh a little bit we can sort of see it right there yeah there she is uh so she telling the truth here friend

Brian Atlasor I play the fifth so uh how long you've been

Andrew Wilsoncibit everyone always thinks I'm lying eight months nine well that's how long I've been single she keep why does she keep walking off she just she just doesn't believe you no she's getting I

Brian Atlasshe she's getting water she's getting water come back I'll come back I swear yeah uh okay so cuz you said you you

Brian Atlashave been single for eight months so there's been nobody nobody nobody nobody

Brian Atlasnobody what if I told you that somebody DMD me mhm that knows you okay and they said that's not true

Daisyuhoh absolutely false I'm just kidding uh I'm like but I've had like had heard that before though where it's guys like lie about hugging up with me I am from a

Sarahsmall town so so going back to you have you ever had a roster um yeah at one point in time how big was a roster three three guys like 18 years old no not sleeping with no

Annalike texting texting okay what about you you ever had a roster girls guys whatever uh yeah I've definitely like had a roster no more than like three but it wasn't like I was having sex with all of them at once it was just like talking

Brian Atlasmhm how big was the roster you said three three yeah and then did you answer this question yeah or you refused to kind of answer the question I said I have had one at

Brian Atlasone I have had one in my life two oh okay uh going to my notes Here on Anna uh you said kind your current relationship you talked about it a bit you said it's kind of an interesting

Annastory did you share the interesting story compon it just that we talked for like a full year and but we basically were dating but we would never made it official you guys were friends no we

Annawere we met on Tinder oh and and you wait you didn't meet up in person no we did oh you did we just never like made it an official title that we were dating and but we just acted like we were

Brian Atlasdating for like a year oh okay kind you said you you have a lot of crazy dating stories from hookups with guys in your freshman year that yeah in the past didn't know how to put on a condom can you shine a flashlight for me I did have

Annaa guy make me shine a flashlight on his dick to put the condom on it was really uncomfortable why wait why was it uncomfortable well it was just like I didn't want to like put a flashlight on that in like the dark room like that's

Annajust like it wasn't kind you like a lights out kind of gal well it just like ruined the moment wasn't it going to go inside of you yeah it it was but you just didn't want to look at it maybe it

Annawas like it was a hookup and so it was just like it kind of ruined the moment when he's like oh like can you get a flashlight I'm like trying to find my phone so he wanted to make sure that the condom went on correctly so that you

Annacould see I I think he was a ruined the moment for you be honest think he just had never put on before he was a virgin yeah it was really awkward he had a little penis

Andrew Wilsonyeah is crazy wa why you over here now now now he has an Oompa Loompa penis like can't be he can't be even mildly charitable he can't be even mildly

Annacharitable he was fine like I there was nothing really special about it it was just really awkward because of the flashlight yeah the flashlight cuz it SC and like I was just like sitting there

Lizlike holding it and it's like a Spotlight is he's like struggling to put on the condom you heard it here first folks don't be vulnerable with women ever I guess you know what they do say guys that turn the lights on or girls

Annathat turn the lights on they're like in or they turn the lights off I think they say that they're insecure about themselves yeah I have heard that but I I don't even know why the lights off or were off it just kind of happened that

Brian Atlasway so a lot of crazy dating went from your freshman year yeah I had like a sugar daddy and stuff okay you said uh like let me see here you dated a guy for your well let's go into the Sugar Daddy

Brian Atlasreally quick first off shove hands who here has had a sugar daddy before is that not normal you've had the sugar daddy yeah a

Lizquestan horse someone's got to pay for the horses okay emphasis on the no Daddy part she said no dad that is that doesn't mean she meant sugar D so uh you

Brian Atlasyou you and did you raise your hand too yeah okay so let's get into the sugar daddy stuff really quick uh only one sugar daddy or have you had more only one that like actually like paid me for

Annastuff um like a significant amount but I never like did anything like actual like we never had sex or anything like that how was he probably like 56 how old were

Annayou something like that 18 okay and how did you meet him Tinder Tinder okay yeah he had like some really weird like Niche Kinks that Niche Kinks okay um so what

Annawas the nature of the exchange between you two um a lot of FaceTime or like texting he really just liked to have somebody to talk to and I did go to his house one time and he had a he called it a clothing fetish he liked to buy

Annaclothing for women and have them just try it on so I basically just got a bunch of free clothes I love that and so you said face time texting he would pay

Annayou yeah how much was he paying you he would like sometimes like just V with me like $200 and be like just get on FaceTime for for a bit but he was like really annoying in the end and so I

Annastopped talking and how much for the in-person hangout um it would depend he would usually like just kind of like hand out cash as it went on but he would also like buy me clothing or like take me out to eat I only went to see him

Brian Atlaslike two times and then really never again you said you went to dinner once or something yeah we went to nou no how much is noou how much does that it was expensive $1,500 in the thousand no wait

Anna1,00 I don't know like for for a regular dinner yeah for like a two person dinner it's like 500 bucks it's expensive like 1,500 at the dinner but he was like just like buying drinks and like everything

Annaoh that's why and then so how much for texting would he pay you it wasn't ever like a set amount for texting so much he would just kind of text but he like had really weird hours it would so it would be like 3:00 a.m. in the morning and he

Annawould just be like blowing up my phone and then he'd like send me money if I wasn't responding and with the intent that I should respond I guess how much money do you think total he PID he sent to that I made in total yeah from him

Annaprobably like 4,000 and it was only like within a month span one month okay and then you said there was another sugar daddy or there were just some other like older guys that I like tried to match

Annawith on Tinder like you tried to match with them well I did match with them but like they either wanted to like actually have sex or it just never really happened anything happened um how would like were they

Annaupfront about wanting to be sugar daddies or was this something that you were kind of soliciting though one guy that I actually did see in person he was very upfront about it it was like a

Annaregular thing he did um the other ones not so much sometimes like I would have like older guys on Tinder would like message me and be like I'll pay you this much for this or this damn yeah okay was

Lizit because they were ugly that you didn't do it or was it because like what Daisy said earlier was like if they're ugly you kind of creepy but if they were kind of cute you would like do it yeah honestly that is kind of real like if they were ugly I was like okay that's

Annagross but if they were cute but like I never actually wanted to have sex with any of them like I wasn't going to do like sex for money but sure okay yeah

Brian Atlasdid you ever send like LW pictures or I took photos from PornHub and sent it to them so fraud

Brian Atlasyeah uh so you would send him new time he never really how much did he pay for that probably like 50 bucks or something oh damn like feet picks or something any I would love to find

Brian Atlassomebody that wants beat fix for money that'd be great okay so all right okay um you had a sugar daddy what about you

Lizyeah just oh oh me um how many have you had I'm I'm going to pass it to you how many how many have you had how many have I had yeah how many sugar daddies have you had this is your

Lizquestion that was not my question it was not my question um that I can

Andrew Wilsonpinpoint maybe like a good handful how would you meet them well that's not very hang on that's not very

Andrew Wilsonpinpoint you say so so pinpoint is to be very precise I have had I'll be many saying a handful that's not very precise

Lizright going be vague yeah very vague very vague very not cutesy I'm just playing no so I at one

Lizpoint so I'll tie it back to when I got out of like my religion and went to school paying for my tuition I did at one

Andrew Wilsonpoint dance and that wait wait hang on now when you say when you say dance right uh so that just sounds like saying

Andrew Wilsonto me super califragilistic X it means nothing right it means nothing to me what does dance mean actually so like if I had dance if I had to put a point on

Lizsugar daddies I would say that I've had a good handful would mean like five five handful five yeah but what is dance mean how long were you a stripper

Lizfor I was dancing for like a year yeah I was stripping stripping stripping for like a year um it was pre pandemic so uh so getting into the sugar daddy thing

Lizyou said you have you're more open to it so like when you go to the clubs it would be more like you don't need to justify that's fun oh no I'm getting closer to the answer of like the sugar daddy part so You' meet sugar daddy there whatever sometimes i' bu go

Lizsometimes I wouldn't which TI me back to my answer it would be a handful of Sher daddies where it' be like here's some money I want to come support you you

Lizlook great here let me praise you as a woman boom there's that how what what was the age typically in their 40s

Brian Atlas50s yeah anywhere from like not even that 20s to like they're not obviously daddies but they so this this I mean we can talk about what was going on in the club but I'm assuming when you're

Liztalking about sugar daddies this is outside the club correct yeah okay and so uh I did have a seeking Arrangements at one point which is suades but so of your sugar daddies did you meet all of

Brian Atlasthem at the club or how many did you meet from seeking I would say like two two in club three in seek okay so let's talk uh the guy who spent the most on

Brian Atlasyou let's start there uh how much total did he

Lizspend um on a monthly basis I would say um 3 to 4,000 3 to 4,000 okay and uh to

Brian Atlashow long was this going on for like a year okay so total would you say this guy who spent the most on you spent

Brian Atlas$4 $50,000 is that fair or more if that's to math yeah okay well he so was he giving you an allowance essentially but then other

Lizwas he spending more on top of that yeah cuz they were farther farther away so it was mainly like like she was saying like videos and stuff like that it was um a

Lizlot of feet pictures too um like videos and stuff um of my feet um and then it'd be more so like send me videos if you like pushing your toots together it be like

Brian Atlassend me some videos of you like angled in a certain way okay and uh did you ever meet him in person actually one turned into like a

Brian Atlasdating and it was that one that spent the most wait one turn into dating which the guy was giving you 3 to 4K a month is that the guy who spent the most or no yeah that's the guy who turned into

Lizdating yeah so that's why like when I say like sugar daddy like it was like sugar daddy but it turned into like a semi- relationship really how soon into the sugar daddy like one month in no

Lizlike 6 months in and it came to a conversation of like when you're already giving that money and you want to have a relationship comes to a conversation of like am I still going to give you the money like this was the relationship

Lizwhen it started so I would think so I feel like he was trying to like cut it like skip it short yeah but then I always reback to like this could possiby relationship but it couldn't because they were also married had kids so it's

Lizlike you have oh he was married well they've been married they weren't married when were talking yeah they were divorced they were divorced so they had the like the whole thing of getting married having kids and like I

Brian Atlashad not had that so it's like I don't know how you would want me to like that's something that I want to experience prior to getting into the relationship had you guys had sex no so he was sugar daddy six uh 6 months then

Lizyou guys get into a relationship then you got have sex yeah but it wasn't like sexual it was more oral like when we first like started meeting up it was just like what like you would give him oral it

Lizwould yeah it'd be like is that sexual he would give you I mean yeah that's sexual okay like okay like that is sexual you're rephrase so yes it was more so like orally like between like

Lizhim and I um but it comes with fantasy so it came with him being fantasized of like him playing with me playing with myself not him playing with me playing

Lizwith myself um huh huh huh and sorry and yeah like yeah then it just came to a point where he like did

Lizstart asking for more and then it came to like very like awkward and like what do you mean asking for more like when are you going to like toss my

Lizsalad what okay wow and I'm like look I'm a big girl I do like Caesar salads but I don't toome okay but um and it kind of got a little uncomfortable cuz that's

Brian Atlassomething that I not had been into you know so that was the deal breaker for him a year into the you guys talking to each other was I don't eat ass you wouldn't toss a salad yes I wouldn't

Liztoss tossing salad means eating ass are you serious you don't eat ass I didn't either I I thought it having not at all ever I doesn't it just taste like Worchester

LizShire sauce I'm told what that's what they said on this yeah that's [ __ ] disgusting you know the most embarrassing thing is when like you're like sexually and you're like yes I'm

Lizgetting into it and you're like maybe I'll try it and then like like I've had an experience where some guy like tilted his legs back and it was like waa

Incidentalpause pause I want to go home I want to go home I to what okay

Brian Atlaswow yeah so okay okay you had like four other sugar daddies how were were you involved with these sugar daddies while you were involved with Maine spending

Lizthe most on you sugar daddy no no okay so how much were these other guys spending on you it depends they'll be like oh well I'll come support you with the club when I was dancing and they

Lizwould like spend money on either like VIP dances or they would do like stage to like flaunt their ego or whatever they can make money I'm just talking like outside the club outside the

Lizclub like no like go on dates and I'll get paid like $3 $400 just to go on a date with her just go on a date

Brian Atlasyeah bro nice light okay okay I'll get to okay bro bro what let it out we're supposed to be open here I'll get there I'll get there you said you had a sugar

Brian Atlasdaddy what uh just one multiple sugar daddies two sugar daddies uh how long did you have each of them so one of them lost like week but he gave me like last

Lauren (horses)of the week yeah okay he gave me like $500 okay and he dm' me on Instagram he said I'll give you money for this picture and it was a sponsor bikini picture and I was just like well how

Lauren (horses)much do you want for it like I'll DM it to you and he's like I'll give you 500 bucks I said you're lying and he's like what's your venmo and I sent it to him 500 bucks was in my account okay and then wait did you send

Lauren (horses)it yeah oh okay I sent it after cuz I thought he was lying yeah and then the other sugar daddy um I don't know where I met him from I think we have mutual friends cuz he's in the military and he's stationed down in San Diego and

Lauren (horses)he'll just send me like money like here and there like he'll be like hey like what are you doing and I'm like nothing he goes do you want to get your nails done I'm like sure he'll send me like 60 bucks or if he knows like I'm going out with friends he send are you still

Lauren (horses)talking to him no this is like two months ago how long were you involved with this guy um before

Lauren (horses)my last relationship to the current one it was like a 3mon time span so it was like then and then it was like on and off for like since I was a senior in

Brian Atlashigh school or fresh Daddy yeah so two or three years then yeah it's been a while he would just send you money how much money do you think total he sent

Brian Atlasyou maybe like 10 grand how old was he he's like 23 cuz we're only a couple years AP and you've been it sounded like like you've

Brian Atlasbeen in a couple relationships at any point were you receiving money from him while you were in a relationship no really yes you can look at my venmo history I'll pull that up right now I'll

Brian Atlastake your word for it but you said you were on and off with a sugar daddy for uh two to three years um and so

Brian Atlasuh you said he'd send you $10,000 did you ever send him any revealing photos or anything like that no he just wants someone to talk to him just like just

Lauren (horses)talk did you guys ever meet up in person um we met up one time it was because there was it was his family or not his family his brother I knew his brother and it was when he was coming back home

Lauren (horses)from basic and that was the only time I saw him did you guys hook up or anything nope I don't know what how old was he at that point yeah 19 the [ __ ] 19 bro

Sarah[ __ ] guys are ruining the dating marketpl there are a lot of men in the military that do that I have a lot of friends that yeah I have a lot of friends that have told me um that men

Sarahlike army guys or Marines will send them money just cuz I don't understand it but it's very common I a Corvette or some [ __ ] I [ __ ] Mustang yeah waste your money on that [ __ ] just W they

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