34 Year Old VlRGlN Has CRAZY High Standards?! PREGNANT From A One Night Stand?! | Dating Talk #192

Date: 2024-09-02

Duration: 7h 22m

Guests

Brian Atlas

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NNancy (DT192)>

LLauren (DT192-horses)>

DDaisy (DT192)>

LLauren Harkins >

MMadison (DT192)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Anna(guest)

SPEAKER_03Daisy(guest)

SPEAKER_04Liz(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Sarah(guest)

SPEAKER_11Nancy(guest)

SPEAKER_12Madison(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lauren (horses)(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lauren Harkins(guest)

Key Moments

OtherSarah reveals one-night-stand pregnancy story: flew to Virginia to meet Discord server owner, got pregnant from single encounter. Father declined involvement.

“I got pregnant um me and his his dad isn't involved so how long were you dating the uh father of your child not long that was uh just someone I hooked up with”

IntroLauren Harkins reveals she is a 34-year-old secular virgin who has never been on a date. She reads her own New York Post article aloud.

“I am a virgin at 34 years old”

ControversyAndrew Wilson challenges Lauren Harkins on whether her secular virginity is truly a virtue or identity-based (attention/empowerment). She partially concedes the identity point.

“I wanted to make sure that I have this uh this right...it's the pursuance really of Virgin but the fact that pursuing this path has now become part and partial of your identity”

QuoteLauren Harkins states her ideal man is 'like Aaron Rodgers' — 6'2, NFL-level status, millionaire, conservative-leaning.

“I would say like Google someone like Aaron Rogers is my ideal”

TopicBrian asks who has had a sugar daddy. Anna and Liz raise hands. Opens discussion of transactional dating.

“really quick first off shove hands who here has had a sugar daddy before”

Key MomentRatings round begins. Brian introduces the 1-10 scale ratings question, no 7s allowed.

“all right we have a question from Stiffler ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of 1 to 10 you can't pick seven”

ControversyAndrew Wilson interrogates Liz on her self-rating of 9. Extended back-and-forth where she is unable to name who the prettiest girl at the table is while claiming she is not the prettiest, then reverses and says she is.

“I think that I'm a nine the question referred to is how you see yourself”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions & relationship statuses

Each guest introduces name, age, location, occupation. Relationship statuses: Sarah (married, one-night-stand pregnancy story), Anna (lesbian relationship), Nancy (single, 3 kids, was engaged 12yrs), Liz (single 3-4yrs), Lauren (new relationship), Daisy (single 8mo), Lauren Harkins (never dated, 34yo virgin), Madison (single). Extensive discussion of Lauren Harkins' secular virginity.

Sarah's one-night-stand pregnancy story

Sarah (SPEAKER_10) met a man on Discord (a gaming server), flew to Virginia after ~1 month, got pregnant from the first encounter. Father not involved. Later found Christ; practiced celibacy with current (now-husband) boyfriend. Celibacy change led to arguments and temporary breakup before eventual marriage (Feb 2024). Discussion of early pregnancy detection (8 days post-ovulation).

Dating apps / online dating discussion

Anna met girlfriend on Tinder. Liz recently joined app. Nancy was on Texas-based dating apps; flew to Texas to date. Brief discussion of Hinge vs Tinder preferences.

Entertainment value in partners / boring vs charismatic debate

Panel discussion on importance of being 'entertained' by a partner. Brian argues he does not need a woman to entertain him; prioritizes peace over charisma. Nancy rates entertainment 10/10 importance. Andrew provides his famous 'top 5 criteria' (all variations of 'very attractive').

Approaching men in bars / rejection dynamics

Lauren (horses) describes how her current boyfriend approached her twice at a bar in Clovis before she responded. Panel discussion on why men approach but women rarely do. Brian argues women are terrible at handling rejection because they never have to approach. Nancy claims she approaches men regularly and handles rejection well.

Lauren Harkins virgin discussion — secular vs virtuous chastity

Andrew Wilson interrogates Lauren Harkins about motivation behind staying a virgin. Argues her virginity is identity-based (attention/empowerment) rather than virtuous. Lauren partially concedes it has become part of her identity. Discussion of her high standards (Aaron Rodgers ideal type, millionaire+, emotional connection). Brian questions whether her expectations are realistic.

Sugar daddy / transactional dating discussion

Anna reveals she had a sugar daddy in freshman year and received ~$4,000 in one month. Liz (Lauren-horses) also raised hand as having had a sugar daddy. Panel and Brian/Andrew debate whether sugar dating is a form of prostitution. Andrew argues moral inconsistency — calling it wrong then saying men deserve to be played.

Self-rating round (looks, 1-10 scale, no 7s)

Liz: 9. Nancy: 8. Daisy: 8 or 9. Lauren Harkins: 6 (pale under lights). Madison: 6 (initially 5, then 6). Brian: 4.5 (down from 6, gained weight). Andrew: 3.5 (without beard). Extended debate when Liz claims 9 and Andrew challenges whether she truly believes she is the prettiest at the table.

Honesty debate — women rating each other / social lies

Andrew argues women systematically lie to avoid hurting each other's feelings when rating appearances. Compares to men's brutal but productive critique culture. Most panel members refuse to name who they think is most attractive at the table. Nancy admits she tells friends honest weight feedback when asked.

Feminist panel debate / women voting / submission

Going around the table: who identifies as feminist? Discussion of whether women should vote, whether husbands' votes should count for the household. Lauren Harkins: women should have the right to vote. Lauren (horses) discusses submission in marriage — says she would submit to a 'good man'. Andrew challenges panel on whether they want cake-and-eat-it-too approach to modern vs traditional gender roles.

Bear vs man in the forest debate

Classic Whatever debate: if you're in a forest and randomly encounter either a bear or a man, which do you choose? Liz: man. Nancy: boring (man), definitely man. Daisy: man. Madison: man. Lauren (horses): bear — has been camping, can scare off bears, unpredictable men. Sarah (SPEAKER_10): man (faster to run from man). Lauren Harkins: man. Andrew/Brian challenge the bear choosers on statistical risk.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswithout further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead um my name is Sarah I'm chist

Sarah24 um I'm a stay-at home mom now but I'm studying to be a birth uh birth and labor Doula um where did you say location yeah I'm from Vegas but we're

Annamaking the move to Oceanside California right now grew up in Vegas kind of yeah technically okay all right what about you my name is Anna I'm 20 I go to UCSB

Brian Atlasand I currently live in Santa Barbara where you from originally New Orleans New Orleans Louisiana y okay and uh what are you studying at UCSB film film okay

Nancyand you're going into your junior year fourth year senior okay yeah what about you hi I'm Nancy I'm 38 I'm a massage therapist and I live in Ventura

LizCalifornia all right welcome what about you you I'm Liz I am 26 years old I am an ABA therapist I live in uh the Valley

LizNorth Hollywood um and I'm from a small town Santa Paula which is like a hop scap and a job what's a Ava therapist Ava so

Lauren (horses)autism what does the ABA stand for um applied acon analysis got it what about you hi my name is Lauren um I'm 21 years old I a student at California State

Lauren (horses)University University of Fresno I'm a server an influencer and I also do social media marketing what are you studying at uh school computer science computer science

Lauren (horses)and uh you want to become a software engineer I'm assuming or no what do you want to do I want to stick to marketing so I'm going to go back for a marketing degree and go double major okay all

Lauren (horses)right uh and how many horses do you own I own five and you're into cuz you're you're equest you do equestri yeah and you compete or yeah I competed

Lauren (horses)for a long time and then since college and I have like three different jobs it's hard to like leave all the time but all five horses are in training right

Brian Atlasnow do you own you own all five or how okay and did you have them do you get horses when they're what what are horses wait hang on hang on you you own them

Lauren (horses)[Music] or not it's not that your dad owns them no anything anything I I'm 21 now anything that I want now I have to pay

Lauren (horses)for it's Lauren sponsored now oh so Dad didn't buy any of the horses nope I bought them all no okay you're 21 though

Lauren (horses)yeah so you bought them all post 18 years old or yeah I bought them from the age of 20 to now oh what about like were

Brian Atlasyou not doing horse stuff prior no I did um but that was parent funded oh okay um how much does a horse cost to like if I wanted to go buy a horse how much does it cost to buy a

Lauren (horses)horse depends they can be free or up to a million dollars that's helpful um so there's no range cuz I've gotten horses for free and I've gotone and I've seen horses go for a million

Andrew Wilsondollars yeah usually I mean the going rate for a horse is usually around uh 20 to 30k how much for your horses most of them were under the

Lauren (horses)10,000s okay yeah ni all right so like 50,000 for all five yeah about and then like do you have a stable how does that you got a stable well parents have a

Lauren (horses)property but I don't keep any my horses there they're up of long California and they're some in like little cities around where I live okay they're all in different areas

Brian Atlasor you don't keep them all in like one location or they're in training so some of them go to different Trainers for different things oh okay all right and uh do you do racing or do you do the

Lauren (horses)jumping stuff what do you do um I do barrel racing and I'm in raining in sorry in raining so raining is like you given a pattern and you're supposed to

Lauren (horses)follow that pattern in a certain way okay and then barrel racing what what's that it's Rodeo so you have three barrels and you got to go around three Barrels in a certain way and then

Daisywhoever is the fastest gets that nice buckle and a nice check all right cool what about you hi I'm Daisy um I'm from like uh Ventura California

Lauren Harkinsand I'm an esthetician age 25 all right what about you hi everyone my name is Lauren Harkins I'm 34 now I'm from Main born and raised um doing

Lauren Harkinssocial media at the moment social media influencer media personality and um I have a background in corrections I used to work with male and female fedal inmates as well as a college um College age tutor for State female inmates were

Lauren Harkinsyou a CEO no I I worked at a residential re-entry Center so I worked um as they were just being released from prison got it okay Maddie my name is Madison I'm 19 years

Madisonold I'm from San Diego California I'm a full-time student at Santa City College currently and I am here at the whatever podcast all right welcome and then we do

Andrew Wilsonhave uh Andrew go ahead Andrew yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible I'm a political s IST a political analyst and I also occasionally engage in debates from time

Brian Atlasto time all right welcome Andrew by the way Crucible crew you like uh you like Andrew shaved or with uh I think we

Andrew Wilsonprefer the beard Andrew I've been in I've been in the streams they're missing the beard yeah they're uh they're not they're not thrilled with the beard I do shave it like twice a year I've always

Andrew Wilsondone that but yeah I'm getting I've been getting a lot of flak Andrew is not not not the popular Andrew that's for sure well it'll grow back soon enough so going around the table what's

Brian Atlaseverybody's current relationships stat is so are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married polycule sex cult Harum whatever it may be if you're

Sarahsingle how long have you been single what's the longest relationship you've ever been in um I just recently got married in February my husband and I were together for a total of 2 years but

Sarahwe had uh like 6 months where we were off so I guess like one and a half years um but we yeah we just recently got married in February oh you're married

Sarahokay and uh you were together for how long um two I guess like technically 1 and a half years cuz we had 6 months out of that year where we were off but still

Sarahlike in communication yeah just not to together and you have a kid correct um yes but it's not his baby um wait

Sarahdifferent different dad oh okay so wait hold on yeah I had the baby um I gave birth in 2022 and me and my current

Sarahhusband started dating shortly after I gave birth if that makes sense wa so gave birth does that so the the yeah

Sarahyeah so uh gave birth pregnant 2021 2012 birth 2022 me and my husband got together in August of 2022 did you meet your husband prior to the birth no my

Sarahhusband was my first boyfriend in high school oh so you guys you guys had dated previously yeah he was my first like partner and so we kind of yeah so you

Sarahbroke up then got got a kid then got back together we broke up we broke up for like I don't know four or five years in that meantime I dated someone else I

Sarahgot pregnant um me and his his dad isn't involved so how long were you dating the uh father of your child not long that was uh just someone I

Brian Atlashooked up with and then I got pregnant by that if that makes sense like a one night stand pretty much yeah it was so like the first worst wait you guys had

Sarahsex one time yeah got pregnant yep yep and did you continue seeing him for a bit or it was just no he no we never

Sarahdated he didn't want to be involved so I was just single yeah and so where how did you meet the him like a

TTS/Donationsdating app or at you met on Discord on you met on Discord yeah okay you met on Discord they like mutual friends beaten cheeks donated $100 3 thank you man just

TTS/Donationssigned up for the best debate course online Destiny's Andrew Destroyer class along with it he's talked me into voting for carela

TTS/Donations20124 Andrew why are you copying my shave style bro not cool yeah Akuma chiming in with his uh with his kummer redrick already so it's way

Brian Atlastoo early in the podcast for your kummer Redick beating cheeks also I'm not oh just a just a heads up guys the TTS is 200 there was a issue there that should have come in as

Brian Atlasa read uh so not sure why that anyways I fixed it wait so okay you met him on Discord what

Sarahwas the what was the Discord was it for Pokémon or what was it no it was it was just like a talking Discord like it was just you know just random public like it was uh you're from Vegas so it's like

Sarahfor Vegas people in Vegas he was in Virginia I flew out to see him wait wait wait hold on so you live in Vegas yeah he lived in Virginia

Brian Atlasmhm I and so when did you uh prior to flying out to meet him when did you meet him or when did you like first get in contact uh maybe like a month

Sarahprior okay for a month we had been int not acquaintance but we've known each other for like a month and M so it was a it was a talking Discord it wasn't like a shared hobby I know it's just like one of those servers that like people just

Sarahmake like group chats kind of there's like a thousand people in there and he was the owner of it I got added into it by a mutual friend is he a content creator no um so he I don't know how to

Sarahexplain it but he so my mutual friend from Vegas added me to it cuz he was in it but they I guess it was a gaming server maybe that makes more sense cuz they do play games on that server okay

Brian Atlasso maybe that's how I don't know so you flew out there and how did you stay with him yeah for a weekend for a weekend you guys hooked up

Sarahyep you flew back yep four weeks later pregnant like a week later I found out I was pregnant oh okay yeah yeah

Sarahum were you guys guys uh were you on birth control at the time no I've never been on birth

Brian Atlascontrol using condom no did he blast inside sorry repeat it repeat it I we didn't hear repeat it

Brian Atlasyes yes he blasted yes you did how many times uh twice there was no conversation about birth control or anything like that there was a conversation of like if this

Sarahmight happen um like if I might get if I were to get pregnant um and the conversation was like yeah if you get pregnant that's okay I was like okay and I really I liked him so I was like all right does

Brian Atlashe pay you child support no he's not involved at all okay um do you want him to pay child support or no I no so so I just a couple

Andrew Wilsonclarification questions I was wondering about if he's not involved at all and you have not insisted that he is involved at all

Sarahuh has he actually taken a paternity test um no so he didn't push for one um I mean he was the only guy that I slept

Sarahwith that year so there's no other possible father um but I mean as far as we know right well yeah but um yeah he never pushed for a paternity test he just uh we came to the mutual agreement

Sarahhe didn't want to be involved we had a conversation earlier this year and he also reiterated that he didn't want to be involved and that's okay I didn't want to push it so he's so he's not

Brian Atlasinvolved um so you and your husband are supporting the child yeah okay Nick private chat um okay

Brian Atlasso okay that's interesting um and I think one thing in your notes here that you had provided is that uh

Brian Atlasyou uh maybe we come to no we'll we'll go to it now you had said something along the lines of uh waiting until

Brian Atlasmarriage now that you've because you had the kid right but when it came to having sex you wanted after having the kid wanted to wait till marriage is

Sarahthat correct yeah so your current husb husband did you guys wait until marriage we did well it's kind of hard to explain so we were dating after I had my son we waited a few months and then we did

Sarahstart having I don't can I say sex can I say that here we did start having sex and then um there was a period of time where we decided that it'd be best for

Sarahus to um wait until marriage we ended up breaking up after that and then we got back together like 6 months later and then waited like 3 months and then got

Brian Atlasmarried right after wait when you say we decided we mutually too just wait Mutual so he was having sex with you mhm and then you mutually agreed yeah like I

Sarahbrought it up in discussion and said that you mean you decided that I came to the decision yes and then he agreed that it was probably right but so he didn't want that you wanted that maybe not yeah

Andrew Wilsonsince I initiated it can can I quickly um just quickly interject I wanted to make sure that I have this uh this right in my notes um you said you knew a week after you had slept with this guy you

Sarahwere pregnant mhm about 8 days I'm not what's that about 8 days after so when you like I'm not I'm not sure that that's possible yeah so when how like

Sarahovulation works you the earliest you can check after ovulation um is 6 to 9 days is how long implantation occurs um so it

Sarahcan take uh say like I say I ovulated uh right 7 Days Later implantation occurs the next day um HCG the pregnancy hormone can start releasing um and

Andrew Wilsonpregnancy tests detect little as 6 milliliters of HCG so you can test very very early I thought HCG was not uh something which was released until 2

Andrew Wilsonweeks after the pregnancy no HCG is released after implantation okay so okay I mean I'll I'll double check my information here

Sarahbut uh I I thought that it took at least 2 weeks for you to determine you PRN after conception so they recommend you wait 2 weeks after ovulation because by 2 weeks you would be 4 weeks pregnant

Sarahand at 4 weeks pregnant your HCG would be at least at like 400 to 500 milliliters which is very detectable on a pregnancy test um anywhere from like 6 to 9 days DPO which is like days past

Sarahovulation your HCG would be anywhere from as low as to 6 milliliters to say like 30 millit and it would just show as a faint line um so that's why they say

Andrew Wilsonwait to two weeks because that's when the line would be a definitive yes or no okay yeah like I said I'll I'll double check I mean maybe I'm wrong but

Andrew Wilsonuh I've never I've never actually heard of uh I I didn't even know that a woman could know within 8 Days uh after conception that she was pregnant I thought that it took uh a bit

Sarahlonger than that 8 days after ovulation so conception ovulation are different yeah but you said you knew 8 Days Later yeah 8 days cuz I was obious ating that

Brian Atlasweekend that's why okay yeah if that makes sense so in your notes you said uh does not do casual hookups you've been uh been celibate until marriage after

Brian Atlasbecoming a single mom I've had to rewire all my standards around the time I met my child's father I didn't have standards at all uh you were okay with

Brian Atlashooking up with whoever no thoughts behind it yeah um well I wouldn't say whoever is that what I said m in yeah some of your older

Brian Atlasnotes uh so the timeline's a little interesting so you said that you mutually decided with your now husband to wait but you guys were hooking up but

Brian Atlasthen you stopped you broke up was the breakup precipitated by the change in sexual access I guess you could say no the breakup was uh related to something

Brian Atlaselse it wasn't how soon after the change in uh your desire to have sex with your now husband did the break up

Sarahoccur oh actually very soon yeah pretty soon um we broke up like maybe a week two actually no we broke up like two two three weeks after that conversation and

Sarahbut you're saying it's something else that precipitated the breakup yeah um I don't know I I guess it would be related to that but we were

Brian Atlasjust arguing a bit more so I don't know but now when it came to the withholding of the sex m the change up when it came

Brian Atlasto you wanting to have sex until you're married was that because of the arguing or just for your own like you had your own values oh well yeah I so because uh

Sarahthe reason I wanted to start waiting until marriage was um I had found Christ at that point and I I felt like it was uh the more a virtuous thing to just start waiting um and to be more disciplined that was one of my bigger

Sarahstruggles so I wanted to challenge myself on that and um staying CIB it hm if that makes sense and

Brian Atlasso okay what uh what it's just um you guys were arguing a lot you were previously in a sexual relationship with

Brian Atlasyour boyfriend at the time you then found uh God and then had a change up when it came to your willingness to have sex with your boyfriend I mean I'm not

Brian Atlastotally so is he religious yeah did he only become religious after you started withholding sex from him no no he was already religious before I became religious well it seemed you had

Saraha strong he wasn't more yeah well he had no objections to premarital sex whereas you did yeah I guess it was just different um like different discern Discerning thoughts different

Brian Atlasconvictions I guess um it was I think for me it was uh something I had a more personal conviction with I'm just curious if um your husband started

Brian Atlaswithholding sex from you now do you think that would lead to arguments um yeah I'm sure yeah I wouldn't deny that well is it is it safe to say that that's what precipitated the initial

Sarahbreakup yeah I think that's safe to assume sure um I'm not denying that that's like a possible reason why we started arguing more and maybe having more like conflicts and were did you date anybody else in that time period um

Brian AtlasI talked to one person but we never dated okay um well I'm sure we can get back to that a little bit it's certainly interesting [Music] um yeah we'll come back to it later your

Annarelationship SS um I've been in a relationship for about 3 months with my girlfriend but we've been talking for like a year and a half so kind of weird wait sorry could you you've been a year and a half you've been we've been

Annalike kind of basically dating for a year and a half but only officially for 3 months okay one I'll say three uh longest relationship the longest I've been in8 months

Brian Atlasand are you uh by lesbian by by okay you've dated men before I have the eight month one was that with a man or yeah

Brian Atlasokay all right eight month with the guy yes and um how did you meet your current

Brian Atlasgirlfriend Tinder Tinder okay yeah all right all right what about you um I'm single mhm dating I guess

Nancydating what does that mean um I'm not in a relationship I'm talking to people how many people

Nancyum well I'm very I'm very careful who I share my body with so that's like talking and flirting and stuff is like one thing and sharing my body with somebody is a different thing so

Brian Atlas[Music] um I am going to leave it at that well that's fine um how many people are you not sharing your body with

Nancythen how many people am I not sharing my body with billions well that you're uh that you're talking to anyways um a lot

Nancyum I was on a dating app but in Texas because I just don't like California guys so I was going out there and um

Nancyflying out there quite often to like I dated some guys for a couple months actually had some strange experiences I thought I was going to like get married to a couple of them I have a lot of

Nancyfamily and friends out there so in Texas yeah okay how long have you been single for um from my last uh real relationship

NancyI would say that 20 hold on let me think 2022 yeah so two years yeah and you were married right I was not married and that's not the one I'm talking about I

Nancywas um in a relationship with my the father of my kids I have three kids with and that into two years ago no that was just a 2-year relationship that I had I've been split up from my the father of

Nancymy kids for 8 years we were together from my from me being 18 to 30 so for 12 years but not married correct engaged for 12 years okay and he's the father

Brian Atlasyou have three kids yes he's the father of all three yes okay and ever married never married but I've been engaged okay gotcha um

Nancyand when did you have uh your kids I was 20 when I had our first daughter and then I was 24 I think or 23 uhhuh when I

Nancyhad so long ago when I had my second one and 27 with my our third which is a boy how old's your uh eldest daughter she is 17 she just graduated high school she's

Brian Atlasa college student now all right cool um what about you I'm single how long have you been single I would

Brian Atlassay like 3 four years now longest relationship 3 four years how longest relationship was probably like 2 years two years okay yeah uh

Brian Atlasyou've been single for 3 to four years yeah so you've been celibate for 3 to four

Brian Atlasyears I've been single for 3 to four years are there uh any guys in the picture currently

Brian Atlas[Laughter] why are you laughing so hard um yes I

Lizam yes I am dating okay uh so what's the nature of your dating it all just comes with like um feeling getting to know the

Lizperson um I think that like I've had stages where like I wilded out and like don't get me wrong like I've had like one I stands and stuff but it comes to a point

Lizof like not doing that anymore so I actually downloaded a dating app because my friend told me that I should CU you won't we we'll react to your app a little bit later um okay how long have

Brian Atlasyou been on the dating app for like two weeks oh is your first time ever on the dating app um I've been on Tinder before okay uh so is there a guy currently in

Lizthe picture then no no I thought you were dating I went on like okay so I went on on one date and then I went on a date with a girl oh okay so are you by no I only went on the date to see what

Brian Atlaslike the stimulation would be or the what stimulation the stimulation like would I be stimulated oh okay

Lizsure uh okay you find out were you stimulating it was it was I was a little curious you know I would I wouldn't like I've like messed with girls before what

Lizdoes that mean I've had three sums three S three sums like two girls one guy yes three girls two girls one guy

Lizokay all right but like have you been on dates with girls before no and like a majority of my friends are actually like

Brian Atlasum um lesbian can I say that yeah that's fine okay cool that's fine the majority of your the majority of your friends are

Lizles lesbian crazy let's be honest huh all right and so so I were you stimulated I was like you know what they look like they're having a blast I just

Lizwant to maybe like dible and Dabble get in the water so did you you guys up no no okay

Lizno kiss I've kissed um a girl some like some of my friends I kiss girl yeah all

Lizright and um so there's no guys in the picture no guys there's not one guy well you look disappointed are you disappointed you want to take me on a date I'm kidding no um did I think that

Lizlike I've been on a date and I felt like it wasn't really there um there's guys that I've been texting consecutively so I would like not to the point of conversation to be like this is a thing like we just went on dates and stuff like well text but it's not going to be

Lizlike sure what's the uh do you have a roster currently um no actually that's why I got on the dating app because I felt like I didn't

Lizhave enough like hose so you want more hose I just want to be entertained or stimulated I guess you want to be entertained or stimulated yeah

Lizboth okay what's the difference between being entertained and stimulated entertainment comes with like something that could be intriguing or entertainment can just be like um like talking I wasn't really like talking to

Lizanybody so I felt like it was like I need to open up my doors to like meeting new people I guess and that was like the easier access point especially now like Our Generations question for

Brian Atlasthe entire panel on the entertainment thing uh how important is it to you to be entertained by your significant other

Nancywhether man or woman uht intellectually stimulated no entertained entertained like they dance for you like they dance what do you mean they be uh perhaps

Brian Atlasthey're funny % they're conversational yeah conversational conversationalist they they have good

Sarahbanter wiiz whatever I'd say that's like a 10 of importance yeah I important yeah if a guy can entertain you is it a noo I'm still stuck on like the definition of like how we're defining

Brian Atlasentertaining in this context like what do you mean how about you're not bored um actually that's not fair that's not fair uh you're you're entertained I don't know it holds your

Andrew Wilsonattention something that you want to look at something that you want to see something that you want to be around because it occupies your mind that's a perfect um I would say yes and no I

Sarahwould say like it's not like a total loss if a guy uh like if I were single this guy wasn't um like totally entertaining me I wouldn't say it's like an immediate no okay uh I feel like for

Annaa relationship you should be ENT Ed not just like stagnant like sitting there you should be entertained like is it like I would say it's important in a relationship if you're just talking to somebody maybe

Nancynot as much okay um what was the question again how important is uh being entertained that's super it's super important it's a 10 I think like you can

Nancyyou can be just a hot guy that's boring or dumb and a girls can sometimes be just as shallow as guys and just go after a guy cuz they're hot mhm um and

Lauren (horses)that goes both ways sure um if you're boring I think that's kind of a deal breaker well not like boring but like not entertaining not entertain cuz like I've talked to guys who are like they do like 80 million

Lauren (horses)different things and it's super fun to like get to know like different experiences getting to go do something new that you haven't done before if a guy does the same thing as you do or does less it's kind of like okay where's the fun in that like I want to go learn

DaisyI'm a learner okay I like learning I've Been Told I've been told I have ADHD so I need to be entertained okay I like entertainment yes Maddie

Brian Atlasyeah but I can be really easily entertained so also true I wonder what how much component of this I mean obviously society's changed

Brian Atlassignificantly but I mean like there's Netflix HBO can't you just be entertained you're already like you know you got Tik Tock

Brian Atlasattention span 10 seconds seconds for all of human history there was a complete lack of

Brian Atlasentertainment and now not only do women demand entertainment from media but also we as men are

TTS/Donationsare Dylan Joe donated $200 is it fair for your chick to have trust issues with you even if you're innocent and show no signs of being unfaithful Andrew you're a [ __ ] beast

Brian Atlasthe way you apologetically preach the truth yo thank you Dylan appreciate it um is it fair for your to have trust issues with you even if you're innocent uh we'll come back to that Dylan I'll

Brian Atlaspull that one back up so I can get through all this um just inter so going back to it it's just interesting to me like why do y'all look for men to be your

Nancyentertainment when you guys are never like providing it goes back it goes both ways I am very entertaining in my relationships keep them laughing I suggest fun things to do I'm super

Nancyoutdoorsy I take them to really cool places no like go hike and go in a cave and go in a waterfall lay out in the sun in the mountains like skydiving um it goes both

Brian Atlasways I would never demand something that I'm not willing to also put forward who's that comedian I think it's Bill Burr and he says something along the lines of you know us men we we have very

Brian Atlasbusy lives we just kind of want to relax on the weekends and if you're dating if you're dating you just get your sh your

Brian Atlasweekend filled up with stuff oh let's do brunch you know I never go to breast can't we just I'm tired Brun you want to

Lauren Harkinseat I don't know I think it's a balance though want yeah like you know I don't know you want like it's what you like and what your partner likes time but you want like some some people like boring though like don't get me wrong there's no such like there can

Lizbe entertainment and there can also be people that are just okay with being boring to each own but like I feel like personally comes on like perspective like hey you know I like to be entertained I'm pretty sure if you like to be entertained that's probably why we

Lizget along together you know what I mean like do you like to be entertained or do you like boring I like boring I give me boring give me boring I think it's a matter of like if this

Sarahperson isn't able to entertain you consistently is it a dealbreaker or are you okay with like some um I don't know if stagnant is the right word but like are you comfortable silences yeah like

Lizjust coexisting comt sacrifices and stuff too like hey okay like they can do a balance of like maybe they can like okay I'm hearing you out maybe you're not so much entertaining on this part but like we can figure it out together

Lizand that's something like you said like is that a deal breaker for you for me yeah it's not a deal breaker but I would like for it to be entertaining um but it's not going to be like oh my gosh I'm not going to date you because you're not entertaining like no I can be boring too

Brian Atlaslike you don't have to go to brunch no brunch run just lunch balance I love that balance I guess at least

Brian Atlasfrom my perspective I'm not looking to a woman to like Spike My like excitement

Brian Atlaslevel stimulated really yeah like in terms of like you being like some super banter or really funny I don't look

Brian Atlasfor that in so as long as she's like attractive that stimulates you well you can there's a lot of things I care about there's a lot of things I care about Beyond looks when it comes to like your

Brian Atlascharacter and your personality but your ability to entertain me is kind of irrelevant don't care at all would you say looks is like a big thing like for

Brian Atlasyeah sure when you like for important yeah I think so I'm not like the in terms of what you bring to the table when it comes to your personality your ability to make me

Brian Atlaslaugh or entertain is very low on the uh totem pole so what are your like top five things what are your top five uh things that you look

Andrew Wilsonfor priori I me the biggest you be looking for things like um pretty hot goodlooking very attractive um wonderful to look at I would look for like those five quality I

Brian Atlasthink that those are the best five those are pretty good yeah I mean I'd say the biggest thing is uh so bringing peace so we actually asked this uh last

Brian Atlasshow and maybe Nick you could pull up that tweet again so H what was the I'm trying to remember what the question was exactly but I would rather like I think a lot of women would rather date a

Brian Atlasreally like charismatic entertaining guy but it comes with constant conflict and arguing versus dating like a dull boring guy who otherwise treats you nice and

Nancytreats you well and there's never any conflict no I would rather have the ladder I honestly I hate conflict I um the the boring guy with no conflict I hate I hate conflict so much I have like a like a fight like a three fight rule

Brian Atlaslike if we argue like three times like a heated argument like I'm done with you okay cuz there's not many reasons to argue with me I'm pretty easy going balance balance well yeah you can you

Brian Atlascan have no conflict and then also have somebody who's charismatic and enter entertaining I suppose but uh it seems

Nancyif it's one or the other a lot of a lot of women will want the conflict plus the entertaining charismatic ey I don't think it has to be one or the other I think it can be

TTS/Donationsboth no but in his scenario that he's been whatever fan donated $200 I would also like to concur with Andrew's top five list shut please add a

Brian Atlasbaddy to that list as well let Andrew cook all right thank you man no no that that baddy doesn't make the list no yeah I think the question that we asked last time is would you rather be with a boring guy but there's never any

Brian Atlasconflict arguing or with a really entertaining fun interesting guy but there's constant conflict arguing boring boring boring no conflict which do you pick can I I have balance I feel like

Lizyou have no you got to pick one or the other I guess boring I like to make up so I like a little argum boring boring I don't know I guess boring that sucks as long as it's not

Brian Atlaslike you know aggressive uh we'll continue with the relationship status here what about you I'm

TTS/Donationsuh oh thank goodness techn Trooper donated $200 how many bodies is too many bodies for a female what is past the threshold where it is

Brian Atlasunacceptable how many bodies is too many bodies for female what is past what is past the threshold where it is

Brian Atlasunacceptable it depends on age but uh once you uh you know what techno we're gonna have to save it for later okay we'll save it for later techno but

Brian Atlasactually yeah we'll save it for later techno I'll write it down we'll get back to it because we got to get through relationship status go ahead I'm in a relationship oh why were you like

Lauren (horses)because I just got out of one and now I'm in one oh that's why and I haven't really told anybody I'm in one oh okay um how long have you been in this new

Lauren (horses)relationship like a like couple weeks okay I was going to say a month and I was like that's not been a month yeah so a couple

Brian Atlasweeks longest relationship 2 years was that the one that just ended no okay so how soon after the breakup did you

Brian Atlasget into a relationship with this new guy 4 months 3 4 months 3 4 months passed between okay and how long were

Lauren (horses)you dating the last guy like we were talking for 6 months we dated for five it was very shortlived okay all right

Lauren (horses)how did you meet this uh most recent guy uh we met at a bar in Oldtown Clovis and he came up to me I ignored him and then he came up to me again I ignored

Lauren (horses)him again and then finally we started talking wait he came up to you yeah you ignored him yeah he can't he came you you ignored him twice yeah wait so okay

Lauren (horses)walk me through it so he came up to me he's like hi and I said hi and I kind of like turned my back and he was like still talking and then he said he like started a conversation again and I was like and I answered his question and I

Lauren (horses)ignored him again I turned back to my friends and then he asked me again and I was like okay he won't leave me alone I'll start talking so like was it he left and came back or he was just standing there well he was like standing there the first time and then he walked

Lauren (horses)away and I think he came back I don't know I wasn't paying attention to him I was also like with my friends and like when I go out I'm like with my friends I don't try to like I don't go to bars or like go out to like meet guys I go out there to spend time with my friends so I

Brian Atlasdidn't really pay attention wait so uh roleplay it so pretend that's your girlfriend right there okay

Lauren (horses)so so he just came up he said hey then you okay so okay we're at the bar yeah hey what's up cheers

Lauren (horses)hi I'm I'm Josh nice to meet you Josh do you think here damn okay wait was the split did we miss

Brian Atlasit no I got it I just split it at the last second okay um okay so you ignored him two times mhm

Lauren (horses)okay so were you just not into him or like well like so I just got out of a relationship like before that so I didn't know like what to do really and so again like I said when I go out I

Lauren (horses)don't go out to like find a hookup or to meet other guys I'm just there with my girlfriends and their friends and we all just like have fun yeah would you prefer men like approach you in person versus

Brian Atlason social media or so when a guy did approach you in person you blanked him

Brian Atlasbasically yeah sorry I feel bad but it's okay well I I suppose he was persistent and you continued dating him but that's true I mean most guys would probably

Brian Atlasslink like slink away after the right and people girls are like oh you should just go like try to approach girls in person but like they got me bro they [ __ ] blank you a girl will blank you

Brian Atlashi turn their [ __ ] turned their head right away um so that's interesting what do you mean big eego like if you have a good ego don't have to like tear you down just cuz you get a know like says

Nancykeep pushing says the group of women who have never approached a man approach men all the time I've been rejected so many times it's not that of a deal you guys

Brian Atlasapproach menach a GU same frequency as uh they approach you I'm sure um but uh actually I mean to to your point I feel like women are absolutely terrible

Brian Atlasat taking L's uh way I like laugh it off like women that's why women don't approach because you're so terrified of rejection also because you don't have to because

Lizmen do it predominantly so I mean sometimes I feel like in the generation that we're in now a lot of men don't go up to women because I feel like yeah cuz we don't want that we don't want that a called out

Lizthis is why I'm in the hot seat they're in a happy relationship now you're going have a relationship now like have you ever approached your girl and went successful sure there you go so you don't have to look at it negatively like sometimes you get a know and you get yeah right but I mean most men don't

Brian Atlaswant to like have to deal with that like 10 times in the night and that's most guys experience when they're trying to approach a girl that is true I've seen that happen you know I played wingman before in what ways do you think women

Sarahact negatively when they're like approaching a man and they get rejected what do you in what ways yeah what do you mean seen saiden can't take it out yeah you've never seen what a woman be

Brian Atlasrejected yeah exactly oh well fair point but like when you say so even here's the difference though yeah so even if I just grant to you that yes some women

Brian Atlassometimes rarely will approach men your likelihood of success is going to be way higher for sure way higher so yeah even then you still don't do most women still don't regularly Approach at least to the

Sarahsame degree that they'll be approached by men I agree with that no I'm notag women why not blame the men that Nei well it's neither one of their fault I think what I'm trying to clarify is like uh women can't handle rejection I just

Nancydon't know I'm just trying to clarify like what do you mean what I'm not trying to like challenge it I just want to understand you said that women can't handle the the take the L and then she's saying like what are she wants to know

Nancyyeah what's an example of that what do they do how do they act why do you think I don't know it's just like embarrassing I get rejected all the time and it's not that big of a

Sarahdeal I guess like in this conversation like yeah there's the minority like the minority of women like you and I like where we'd approach men right but the majority don't so I'm saying like I guess within these women that do approach men and react negatively what

Brian Atlasdoes that look like true I don't know if that's a silly question no I'm just don't well it's not so much I'm not really so concerned about their reaction as to perhaps one of the well I mean there's a couple reasons why women

Brian Atlasdon't Approach at the same frequency as men first off you don't have to yeah like if a guy never takes initiative most men if they they'll never take initiative they'll never find somebody

Brian Atlaswhereas women you can wait for men to come to you and you'll find somebody that way most men that's not an option for most most men they have to be very proactive uh secondly uh I would say

Brian Atlasthat um well I think that's the primary thing is just like you don't really have to do the approaching yeah I agree with that I

Nancywas just asking about the but it's it's I think it's nice I approach men because I think men don't get complimented enough um at the same frequency as women so I think that like it feels good um to

Nancymake like a man feel nice and wanted and I don't think they get that feeling very often that's nice I will never approach a man I don't mind it but like was he

Lauren (horses)being creepy or rude well I think all men are creepy like no offense to men like I'm not going to lie in that area too because yeah it's a bar scene too and my parents always the bar

Lauren (horses)scene where yeah Fresno's kind of stretchy it is it's a little sketchy no offense to my hometown off um wait so all men are creepy no all men most men are creepy I'm most men are

Lauren (horses)creepy I see in my DMs and like there's like these married men that are in my DMs or like old guys in my DMs I'm like I don't think your wife knows about this but you're at the bar let's differentiate here so there's the

Brian Atlasmarried men who are dming you that's obviously objectionable I suppose uh but you said old men are they single I don't know I don't try to stalk

Brian Atlasthem that much when you say old men what do you mean cuz you're 21 what's old 60s oh Dam okay I mean 60 sorry Mom and Dad

Brian Atlasokay but it I mean it is just kind of like so you're saying your boyfriend you're now boyfriend was a creeper I didn't say he was a creeper you said all men are creepy but so okay I ask you a question

Brian Atlashe's watching this he's going to be like really he's going to call me out yeah but so the the question was booyfriend the question was not your assessment of all men but I asked just how was your

Brian Atlasboyfriend when he uh when he approached you was he creepy or rude no he wasn't creepy or rude okay I just don't think I was in the heads space to like talk to anybody okay so I think that's why I

Madisonignored it well I mean you don't owe anybody a conversation but uh I mean wait you guys met in person right yeah okay so did you guys like exchange

Brian Atlasnumbers that night or something and then he just kept texting you mhm um okay all right um what about you relationship status single single okay

Brian Atlashow long have you been single for eight months all right longest relationship one year one year all right no guys in

Daisythe picture currently no guys no guys no guys I'm trying to date but men are men are what they're not creepy I don't

Daisythink men are creepy uh I would disagree with that um I feel like you think creepy guys are probably like the ugly ones or unattractive I should say um but like I was like telling my friend like

Daisyif a hot guy like comes up to us and like compliments us it's like oh my God but if an ugly guy comes up to and likees like same thing we're just like oh my god dude cuz she

Daisywas like the other day she was like oh my God he like walked up this guy's following us and I'm like but if he was hot trust me you would have been all about it I mean that's it's a an actually

Brian Atlasreally good point the exact same Behavior Uh will fall into desired or like undesired based on the attractiveness of the man obviously there's some conduct and behavior that's

Nancyunacceptable regardless but what Andrew said hot goodlook all of his all of all of your five yeah it also goes though like when people when girls are just nice to a guy sometimes they misinterpret that as us

Nancyflirting with them and then it's like they just don't know when to quit like hey I was just being polite like now like stop like stop bothering me that's so true doesn't mean that wait didn't you say didn't you say you'd go up to

Brian Atlasguys just to give them a compliment yeah I would yeah you're no and you just said men never receive compliments what did you what didn't you say like you'll go up to a guy and just give them a compliment is it a guy that you're

Nancyinterested in um sometimes I mean I compliment women too if I see them like it doesn't have to be sexual I just think in in general men don't um feel

Nancyenough like appreciation and praise so I just try to like if I say like oh wow I really like like your boots those are nice boots or um you really play pool well I don't know it doesn't I'm being

Nancyjust nice but I'm not talking about that I'm talking about like if you're a customer service worker and a guy you're like be nice cuz you're just that's your job and then they they like want your number and then it's like it just makes

Lauren Harkinss uncomfortable I think it's hard when you have like a friendly personality and you're just like a warm person I feel like that's taken as like oh all right you know what I mean I feel like it's

Lauren Harkinslike taken like to the next level relationship status well I'm single um I've never been in a relationship

Lauren Harkinsand that's that's about it you want to elaborate yes well um I I feel like my teens and 20s I just like wasn't ready

Lauren Harkinsto date anyone um it really just wasn't a priority for me I feel like I was just I don't know living my life and um

Lauren Harkinsit just wasn't something that I was super interested in honestly um and then I also feel like I on top of that I don't experience attraction that often

Brian Atlasso that also made it easy for me to avoid dating do you want to elaborate and I am a virgin at 34 years old okay thank you

Brian Atlasum and there was there was a New York Post article about this Nick could you pull it up yeah oh we got the article we're going to get the New York Post article I'm going to have you read it if you can can

Lauren Harkinsyou see the screen you want me to read it yeah go ahead I am a 33-year-old virgin who is not religious this is why I've never had sex that's not a direct quote but that is

Lauren Harkinstrue do I want to keep reading it yeah okay a 33-year-old virgin says there's nothing wrong with being a late bloomer and insists it's quite common

Lauren Harkinsfor Millennials to have never done the deed also not a direct quote but yes uh Lauren Harkins made the claim in an interview with Southwest news service revealing religion wasn't the reason why she remain chased I'm a virgin but I'm

Lauren Harkinsnot traditional usually it's one or the other but I'm just very content on my own the Portland Main resident stated that is true thank you

Brian AtlasJJ okay um so um have you been on a date I've never been on a date no um not even a

Lauren Harkinsdate I haven't because I am very All or Nothing so I'm not going to go on a date with someone that I'm not interested in I'm not going to waste anyone's time not

Lauren HarkinsGNA waste my time not going to waste I'm not going to lead anyone on um just to get a free meal so no I've never been on a date okay with anyone have you been

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