She SCAMS Men ($250,000)?! 52 Year Old Single Mom WILL NOT SETTLE ($500k+/yr)?! | Dating Talk #188
Date: 2024-08-19
Duration: 7h 03m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00(audience)
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_03Asia(guest)
SPEAKER_04Claudia(guest)
SPEAKER_05Christy(guest)
SPEAKER_06Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_07Maddie(guest)
SPEAKER_08(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Lexi(guest)
SPEAKER_13Jasmine(guest)
SPEAKER_14Serena(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:24
IntroJasmine introduces herself as ex-stripper/scammer, stay-at-home girlfriend
“Jasmine, 26, Thousand Oaks, stay-at-home girlfriend. Used to be a stripper and scammer.”
00:08:30
Key MomentJasmine details the fake fiancé scam: ~$250,000 extracted from 52yo man over 2 years
“He paid rent, breast augmentation, liposuction, sent $5-10k/month via phone transfers.”
00:30:09
IntroAsia introduces herself: 52yo LA, beauty trainer, GlowUp Girls podcast
“Asia, 52, Los Angeles, beauty industry regional trainer, GlowUp Girls podcast.”
00:31:18
IntroChristy introduces herself: 53yo Chino Hills esthetician, GlowUp Girls podcast
“Christy, Chino Hills, licensed esthetician specializing in sugaring, GlowUp Girls podcast.”
00:32:34
IntroClaudia (Cece) introduces herself: 20yo pharmacy tech
“Claudia/Cece, 20, turning 21 soon, pharmacy specialist tech.”
00:32:52
IntroMorgan introduces herself: 18yo SBCC political science student
“Morgan, 18, city college, political science.”
00:33:04
IntroMaddie introduces herself: 19yo Whatever podcast staff / SBCC student
“Maddie, 19, works on the podcast, student at city college.”
01:36:36
Key MomentAsia reveals she wants $500k/year partner; female delusion calculator shows 0.031%
“I would say at least $500,000... 0.031% of men match that criteria.”
02:45:00
Key MomentSelf-rating round: guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7s allowed)
“Jasmine 6, Asia 8, Christy 8, Lexi 6, Claudia 6, Serena 8, Maddie 8. Brian 5.”
03:20:00
ControversyAndrew says 52yo women bring nothing to the table — calls Asia an "old bag"
“None of them including the old bag here bring nothing to the table by their own admission except their vagina.”
04:00:00
Key MomentBrian plays bow video; asks each woman if she would bow for her man
“Maddie: yes. Asia: yes. Lexi: no. Morgan: no. Claudia: yes.”
04:55:00
QuoteAndrew articulates three things men want from women: peace, anticipating needs, putting him first
“Men essentially want peace in their home, they want their woman to anticipate their needs, and you have to put him above your own needs and desires.”
05:30:00
QuoteAsia refuses to lower standards after delusion calculator shows 0.031%
“I won't lower my standards. I'll be alone, that's what you guys think, so I'm happy being alone.”
05:50:00
ControversyJasmine claims 80% of men would SA a woman in the forest; Andrew offers $10k bet
“80% of secular men would rape a woman if given the opportunity in a forest.”
06:40:20
TopicAsia rage-quits the show during discussion of white culture
“I have to go. Bye. I'm out of here.”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Show intro and announcements
Brian Atlas opens the show, gives platform announcements (Streamlabs, Twitch, merch, Discord, TikTok).
00:03:15
Guest introductions (round 1)
Each guest introduces name, age, location, occupation. Extended discussion of Jasmine's stripping/scamming background and fake fiancé story (~$250k extracted).
00:35:00
Relationship status round
Brian asks each guest current relationship status, longest relationship, how they met current partner.
00:42:00
Pre-show notes: Asia's dating history
Deep dive into Asia's 45 first dates over one year post-10-year relationship. Dating app experiences, 3 three-month situationships, $1,500 first date, income/success discussion.
01:30:00
Women's success and what men care about
Brian and Andrew debate whether a woman's career success matters to men. Asia argues success is attractive; Brian points out she never paid for a date. Andrew explains traditional male provider hierarchy.
02:05:00
Traditional values, submission, and obedience
Extended theological and philosophical debate on submission in relationships. References Pauline epistles (Corinthians/Ephesians). Andrew argues obedience means husband has final say; Jasmine provides Christian context. Asia and Christy discuss what men want from traditional relationships.
02:45:00
Self-rating round (looks 1-10)
Guests rate their own looks on 1-10 scale (no 7s). Jasmine: 6, Asia: 8, Christy: 8, Lexi: 6, Claudia: 6, Serena: 8, Maddie: 8. Brian rates himself 5/10; guests rate Brian 3-6. Fit check — guests stand to show outfits.
03:00:00
Aging and looks trajectory
Discussion of whether women look better or worse as they age. Brian argues all people get less attractive over time. Asia claims she looks better at 52 than at 22. Christy: peak at 23, declined during marriage, recovered in 50s via plastic surgery and self-care.
03:20:00
Plastic surgery debate
Discussion of nose jobs, BBLs, lip filler, Botox. Brian dislikes most procedures; Andrew notes 90s vs current trends. General agreement nose jobs can improve appearance; BBLs widely criticized.
03:31:40
What do men want / help-mate concept
Andrew articulates three things men want: peace, anticipating needs, and being put first. Brian discusses help-mate concept — stay-at-home girlfriend increases his earning potential. Lori (Jasmine) describes being a stay-at-home girlfriend; what she cooks/prepares.
04:00:00
Bow video and showing respect to partner
Brian plays viral video of woman bowing to man coming home. Goes around the table asking if each woman would bow. Maddie: yes without hesitation. Asia: yes if it makes him happy. Lexi: would not, finds it culturally weird. Morgan: would not. Claudia: would for her current guy. Andrew discusses curtsy as female equivalent.
04:25:00
Past shouldn't matter / body count discussion
Brian asks if past matters (started from Jasmine's sex-work background). Goes around table on body counts. Jasmine: ~6. Asia: less than 20. Serena: 5. Maddie: declines. Lexi: 0 (virgin, Christian). Claudia: 6. Discussion of double standards and hookup culture.
04:40:00
Jasmine's NBA player and rapper dating history
Jasmine reveals she dated an NBA starter for 8 months while abstinent. Also went on dates with minor rapper one-take J. Brian discusses percentage of women who are strippers/sex workers in LA.
04:55:00
What women bring to the table (older women)
Andrew asks Asia and Christy directly: what do you bring that offsets financial burden + baggage? Both cite: friendship, companionship, cooking, emotional support. Andrew argues these traits are available in younger women with less baggage. Discussion of older male dating pool being vicious for women; widower phenomenon.
05:25:00
Female delusion calculator — income requirements
Each woman states income requirement for a partner. Asia: $500k/year (revised: needs $1M retirement nest egg); other women: $70k-$100k. Nick pulls up female delusion calculator. 0.031% of men at $500k criteria; 0.14% at $200k. Asia refuses to lower standards.
05:50:00
Bear vs man in forest
Classic bear vs man question. Jasmine says bear — claims 80% of men would SA a woman if given opportunity. Andrew and Brian spend extended time challenging this math (110 million SA-inclined men in USA). Jasmine revises to 40%, then back to 80% for secular men. Andrew offers $10,000 bet that 2 in 10 men wouldn't even cat-call her at a grocery store. Brian argues Jasmine essentially hates men.
06:23:20
Feminist and political questions
Do you consider yourself a feminist? All say no. Can you be racist to white people? Mixed opinions. Is there male privilege? Maddie says yes but earns it; panel mostly agrees both genders have different privileges. Who is the primary victim of war? All say men. Are men or women physically stronger? Men. Can you be sexist toward men? Yes.
06:40:00
Show wrap-up
Asia rage-quits when asked about white culture. Final ratings of Brian's eyebrows (42-55 out of 60). Brian announces Tuesday show with Daily Wire guest. Twitch raid to Summit1G. Andrew promotes debateuniversity.com.
Transcript
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01:52:52
Asiadoes that mean whole within yourself well I'm working on my mental health I've had a lot of trauma as growing up I don't have family I don't have a backup plan I don't have like
01:53:04
Asiaparents that are going to give me an inheritance I'm all I have and I take care of my grown son and it's because I worked hard and I
01:53:15
Asiamade good choices in my life career-wise and now I'm at a place in my life where I'm taking a step back I'm not stressing myself out dayto day well it sounds like you come with a lot
01:53:27
Andrew Wilsonof baggage yeah that's why I'm working on myself yeah so have bagage you come by yes that's true but I mean you would have to agree that some people have a lot more than others though right sure
01:53:40
Andrew Wilsonyeah so I mean if you if you come with a lot of baggage and you want a man to provide for you what is his incentive to do so that that you're really fun because I'm working on myself and I'm trying to heal the baggage
01:53:52
Andrew Wilsonyeah but he has a choice between if a man who is successful enough to go and retire in Europe with you has a choice between you and other women who have less baggage these other women let's say
01:54:05
Jasmineand they're not working on themselves why wouldn't he just pick them I think what she's trying to say is she's trying to work she can speak for herself I promise a place of finding I promise she
01:54:16
Asiacan speak for herself let her finish go ahead absolutely because you a man would have free will and May and that's but that's not my man that's not going to be
01:54:25
Asiamy person so maybe my person is somebody that has the same sort of background as me that also worked on himself and is looking for the same things and I'm
01:54:37
Andrew Wilsonwilling to wait for it you have to admit that that's going to be rare right to find uh find a man who's going to uh retire you in Europe and deal with all your baggage if he has tons of other options which are available to him if
01:54:50
Asiayou're just kind of working on yourself but I have the money to retire in Europe myself so I don't need him to do that as well then why are you looking for him because I want to find my person because
01:54:59
AsiaI believe in love yeah right so then you still have to have a Competitive Edge right what are you hearing that I don't have that's not competitive with other
01:55:11
Asiawomen well you said that you still take care of a fully grown adult male right yeah well he's going through college now and so he's can stay with me until he's finished with school completely M to
01:55:23
Andrew Wilsontake care of you which I'm guessing means that he's going to primarily be using his resources on you and not your resources on him right we can use my resources as well I have resources I know but he's going to bring a lot more
01:55:35
Andrew Wilsonof them that's what you're after right I have Perks too I have Perks with my life I'm not saying you don't have Perks I'm just asking for what the Competitive Edge that you would be bringing to the
01:55:44
Andrew Wilsontable at 53 would be for a man who would bring the resources necessary to take care of you for the rest of your life in Europe that's all I'm asking I don't think that's going to be hard to find I think
01:55:56
Asiathat it might take me longer but I hear what you're saying and I I I am not going to let you tell me otherwise that
01:56:09
Asiathat I'm not going to find tell you otherwise I haven't told you anything I've just asked you some basic questions told you anything3 what are you bringing to the table well I bring a lot to the table
01:56:20
Asiaokay what I bring a lot I bring a great sense of humor I'm sharp I'm funny I'm smart I'm ambitious laugh I'm pretty hang on hang on make me
01:56:31
Andrew Wilsonlaugh that is so dumb it's like going to a stand up comedian being like tell me a joke I agree it's a cheap shot it's a cheap shot but it's just funny to say right whenever whenever a woman says
01:56:41
Andrew Wilsonthey're funny in the moment it's just always been my experience that they're that they're not funny but the thing is is even if you were even if you were in the category hang on even if you in the
01:56:52
Andrew Wilsoncategory of being a very very funny woman right all women think that they're funny right all women think that they're funny so the the question is is like okay I get it you bring a good sense of humor to the relationship obviously other women will be bringing a good
01:57:05
Andrew Wilsonsense of humor to the relationship as well asking what you specifically are going to be bringing that other women in your age bracket aren't going to be bringing I just said I just said it did I not just say it I you said you're
01:57:17
Asiafunny and I he set you apart I am funny I am successful I am okay yeah but men don't care about success they don't care about
01:57:29
Asiasuccess they don't care about how successful a woman is they care about how pretty she is and treaty I'm pretty have you looked at me I'm very pretty
01:57:38
Brian Atlasand I'm smart and I'm very sweet okay all right I I have a couple things on this but we do have somebody
01:57:47
Brian Atlasuh joining us on the panel here uh you can come ahead and take a see uh we Morgan had to exit Morgan had to exit so
01:57:58
Brian Atlaswe have she doesn't speak English though so unfortunately we're not going to be able to ask her any questions but she
01:58:06
Brian Atlascan just kind of give facial reactions and and so uh buenos Diaz buenos uh any Spanish speakers at the table Yeah so
01:58:17
Brian Atlasjust maybe like if it's okay it's all right anyways um and if you can just scoot into the uh how do you say scoot into the table in
01:58:28
Brian AtlasSpanish ah C see okay um so anyways uh yeah for guys Morgan was
01:58:37
Brian Atlasfeeling a little uh little little unwell so uh she uh she had to she had to go but she'll be back Tuesday most likely anyways um I do want to really quick
01:58:50
Brian Atlasjust to piggy back on what Andrew was talking about you said you're successful funny really quick on the funny one though no offense ladies I don't think guys care they do
01:59:02
Christythey want you to be clever they want you to be able to hold a conversation really then are guys lying when they say oh I love you I love you you're so witty and you're funny they're
01:59:14
Asialying yeah probably so then you're leading a girl on and telling her what she wants to hear oh yeah guys exactly hang on hang on so you're saying that if
01:59:25
Andrew Wilsona woman doesn't look good um maybe she looks fat in a certain dress that you're just being mean by telling her oh no honey you look good in that dress is that what you're saying or is there times where it's appropriate in
01:59:36
Andrew Wilsonrelationship to avoid kind of um fights which are unnecessary to just kind of ah you know sure you're witty yeah yeah of course I love having conversation I love
01:59:46
Andrew Wilsonthe long walks on the beach and the Mojitos at night it's my favorite right but yeah I don't think guys really care about the whole funny thing you know no offense well I didn't know that I don't
01:59:59
Brian Atlasreally care well you're speaking for yourself you're speak I feel like I'm speaking for 90% of dudes maybe there's like one three dudes that like really like funny women I don't know yeah like there's
02:00:11
Brian Atlasthree dudes in existence that want to [ __ ] Amy Schumer don't know but I will say this I I I don't think there's ever been a woman who's like well
02:00:22
Brian AtlasI didn't want to have sex with her but after hearing that remarkable joke now all of a sudden that's where sealed the deal seal the oh by the way uh Andrew I sent you a
02:00:34
Brian Atlastext message I sent you a text message Andrew um and then the success thing though wait didn't you say you wanted like I forgot what it uh I don't know if you said traditional or what yeah
02:00:45
Asiatraditional what I'm saying is I just don't want to have everything always relying on me all the time I'm looking for a partner like I'm not looking to like I got a question for not so you said you went on
02:00:56
Brian Atlas45 First Dates right all different guys yes yeah yes that's of all the of all the 45 First Dates um would you say most of them would be like either a drink or
02:01:11
Brian Atlasdinner yes mhm and of the 45 dates that you went on who paid for the dates they did in every single like 100% of them oh
02:01:20
Brian Atlasyeah any any split no no no one asked nobody asked me to split 40 just to be clear 45 First Dates yeah and in each
02:01:30
Brian Atlasinstance the guy always paid yes okay and then you said there were three guys who you dated a little longer than just you know most of these guys one date
02:01:40
Asiathat was it um would they continue to pay for dates yes did you ever pay for a date um I'm good at like in with the
02:01:52
Asiathree on never a date I've never paid for a date but I've Al I've offered to pay for dessert or okay you know um what would you say was like kind of the most uh when these guys would take you out to
02:02:05
Brian Atlasdinner for example whether it was the first date or one of these guys you dated for 3 months would uh did any of them take you to somewhere a little pricier when it came to dinner yes okay what do you think is the most of guy
02:02:17
Asiaspent on you on a first date he told me $3,000 on the on the First on dinner he told me it was 3,000 but when I added it
02:02:27
Asiain my head it was probably $1,500 but it was a very that's a lot no it's a lot and he's the one that's still my friend to to this day fancy is it noou is that
02:02:37
Asiathe place it wasn't no it was a Asian fusion restaurant in Downtown LA 1500 first and was this a guy that you saw again or no yeah this was one of this was actually my true situationship the
02:02:49
Asiathe the most the last one no this was the one before him I was in a situationship with this guy where he treated me like his girlfriend he was living his life In Reverse he didn't
02:03:00
Asiawant anything serious he had three kids before the age of 30 but first sorry go ahead go ahead go ahead yeah so we were in a situationship for about three or four months and then you saidif uh
02:03:11
Asiaso the first date though he spent 1500 no no no oh one of the dates he spent one of the dates how much did he what's the most that the guy spent on the first date I would say $1,500 oh 1,500 I would say that would probably be the most
02:03:25
Asiasomeone's everever spent that one specific guy would he continue to take you on like kind of fancier dates always we always went on fancy dates and he's actually my friend still he's the one guy the guy that I
02:03:36
Asiaslept with that's still my friend because he did not want to be in a relationship yes sir and it's nothing yeah not me okay so no he didn't want to
02:03:49
Asiabe in a relationship but we had a really great friendship like he's a great guy and so we're still friends to this day and so how much how often did you see him like
02:04:00
Brian Atlashow many dates do you think you went on with him we saw each other once a week for three months MH so maybe about 10 times mhm 10 10 12 10 to 20 maybe sure
02:04:13
Asiaokay and he would always take you out to fancy nice dinner not always I mean sometimes we had tacos from the taco truck but but times he'd spend $3,000 on a dinner he
02:04:23
Brian Atlassaid it was 3,000 but sure he was okay and then any of the other guys the the other three guys would they ever fancy dinners big yes mhm but not one of these
02:04:35
Brian Atlasdinners you ever paid correct no you mentioned that you bring your success to a relationship uh you went on 45 First Dates not one of them did you pay for and of the three men that you did have
02:04:47
Brian Atlascontinuing you know more than just the first dat so I failed to see how your success Translation your finances your money has anything to do with your
02:04:58
Brian Atlasattractiveness to a partner when you're not bringing that to a relationship by your own admission I think a lot of guys today in
02:05:08
Asiathe state of California want a woman that wants that brings does something in their life I'm saying I have my own job I have a job well
02:05:20
Brian Atlasbut and this is I'll I'll just be blunt this is why men don't actually care about your success or your finances because we don't reap any benefits of
02:05:30
Brian Atlasyour success so when women say well I have these academic credentials and I have this high-paying job and I'm successful I don't have debt I have all this money even in your case you went on
02:05:42
Brian Atlas45 dates not one did you pay for they paid for the whole meal these men would spend thousands of dollars some of them would spend thousands of dollars I'm feeling to see how your
02:05:52
Asiasuccess or your money would be enticing to any of them given that they didn't stand they didn't reap any benefit that was only one date
02:06:02
Asiabut when you don't know I mean you know after a couple of days if you have chemistry with somebody or if you if you have compatibility but I don't I don't I
02:06:14
Asiadon't see where you're going with because I'm saying I have a job and that I bring that to the table that I work can I add something uhhuh okay go ahead I feel and I don't want you to take any
02:06:27
Jasmineoffense to this I feel like your generation was very much taken into a woman has to have a job has to be successful because it was like kind of after the whole feminism thing and you guys were like super brainwashed into
02:06:39
Brian Atlaslike being equal partners with the man and how you say you want tra like a man with Traditional Values no no no no no hold on hold on so she's 52 right yeah while that's been like slowly becoming the case
02:06:52
Brian Atlasuh this is this is more so the case as time goes on it's not like well it was the case back then no it's still now I'm not saying it's not but I'm saying like
02:07:03
Brian Atlaseveryone kind of but this 5050 thing it's not it wasn't like boom in the90s and then down in the 2000s no it's still now it's still current no but it's been climbing climbing climbing
02:07:13
Jasmine50/50 but you're saying it was more so the case in her generation which just can't be true I'm okay like most of at least the people I know like women from
02:07:22
Jasminetheir 30s to around her age in their 50s are very much like they want to be more successful than putting the focus on like being like you said being with
02:07:34
Jasminesomeone and helping them with their career and focusing on like building a family and having children and taking care of their children they're more focused on like I need to be successful so I find the right partner that matches
02:07:48
Asiame well I also grew up with a female at the role model she was the bread winner my father lost his job and so my stepmother took over so I actually grew
02:07:58
Asiaup seeing a woman working so I think that's a lot of where my that's totally fine but my ambition came from or where I and but again so there were me there
02:08:10
Brian Atlaswere three men that you dated for about 3 months at no point in the relationship did your success or finances or money ever get into the picture so how could
02:08:22
Brian Atlasyour success be what you're bringing to the table if none of the 45 men that you went on a first date with and none of the three men that you had a 3-month relationship with reaped any benefits of
02:08:33
Asiayour success how can that be something that you're bringing to the table well those were men that I wasn't compatible with but my 10-year relationship we split everything 50/50 we purchased a
02:08:45
Andrew Wilsonhome together we did every you know so it was that's your past right what I'm saying is that oh wait hang on hang on you got to back so he reaped the rewards of My Success we understand the IDE I
02:08:57
Andrew Wilsondon't see where the 45 dates has anything to do with that in a previous relationship someone for the first time sure in a previous relationship you said you split everything 50/50 but right now you said you're looking for a man with
02:09:09
Andrew WilsonTraditional Values when I asked you what those are you said he provides for me and protects so kind of yeah well provides and protect sure but if that's what your criteria is then Brian's
02:09:20
Andrew Wilsonsaying okay if that's true then all of these dates that you went on recently why would your success be something you're bringing to the table if they're paying for everything they clearly don't give a [ __ ] about that right I think I
02:09:32
Andrew Wilsondon't know I have no idea I didn't ask them if my success mattered to them I mean you guys talked about all sorts of different things you must talked about work and this type of thing right some of them were first dates do
02:09:45
Asiayou yeah you don't go that deep you just go deep enough to know like okayy this is my person or we're compatible there's chemistry but so conceivably
02:09:56
Asiaeven on the first date you would say well I I have I did have one guy say that to me he's like I like that you that you work because if something were
02:10:08
Asiato happen you're fine on your own was it was it only a first dat it wasn't one first date that was the only out of all the 45 that's the only time I can remember why don't you offer to do you
02:10:18
Asiaoffer to split um well after a while not for the first date but like if we're dating but I thought I have paid for things I have
02:10:29
Asiapaid for things well in not of any not from any of the recently right like I pay for takeout once when they came over something like that what's the most you
02:10:39
Asiaspent 20 bucks on in and out it's expensive no like take out like like Postmates is expensive okay 30 40 50 bucks 50 60 something you ever take any
02:10:49
Brian Atlasguy out on the ,000 plus no cuz I have a kid that I'm supporting what about that guy didn't he have three kids who the oh the one the guy that spent $1,500 on a
02:11:01
Asiadinner yeah they were they're adult kids don't you have an adult kid yeah but they're out of the house they're out of the house I have one who's still in the house that I'm supporting adult kids he has three adult kids that are that are
02:11:13
Brian Atlasout of like he has there's no overhead on those kids anymore but so if what you bring to the table is your success it's one of the things I didn't say that it was yeah it's one of the why don't you
02:11:25
Brian Atlasoffer to split cuz I have an adult son that I would taken care of by myself well I I'm not speaking I'm not speaking about that thousand plus like
02:11:36
Asiaif you go get tacos I have I've gotten dessert I've gotten tacos I've paid for valet okay but I'm just confused if if that's what you're bringing to the table
02:11:49
Asiait doesn't seem like it's men manifesting itself in any of the 45 dates that you went on I don't care about those 45 dates because they weren't my person but you know what I
02:12:01
Christywant to say that I've been on dates too with men and where I've offered to pay for some of the tab and they refuse they get offended when you say oh here let me help here's my card and they what are
02:12:12
Christyyou doing you know they get so butt hurt and I feel like it emasculates the man if you offer to pay for half the bill as if they can't afford it so it's almost like an insult or a slap in the face to
02:12:24
Brian Atlasthem sure absolutely I'm sure there's men out there that feel like it would be demasculate or whatever whatever it is but again if you're saying that what
02:12:34
Brian Atlasyou're bringing to the table is your success but I guess I'm trying to explain why men don't really care about this metric okay I didn't know that well
02:12:47
Christydo you think men get intimidated by women that have strong careers yes uh no we just don't want to deal with your [ __ ] well what kind of [ __ ] happens when a woman is successful well
02:12:58
Andrew WilsonI'll explain I'll explain so well at least from the purview of the traditionalist male I think so it seems to me that uh a
02:13:08
Andrew Wilsontraditionist a traditional man wants his wife to be devoted to him and so they want the family hierarchy to work like this the man is at the head of the hierarchy and then there is the woman
02:13:20
Andrew Wilsonthe mother and then and under that is the children that is the way they want the placement of that hierarchy so if the woman is devoted to the career and
02:13:29
Andrew Wilsonnot to the husband then it creates some type of uh problem within the set of the hierarchy and so they tend to prefer that women stay whole and take care of
02:13:42
Andrew Wilsonchildren and they take care of those issues they take care of the financial issues and so when you're talking about male betterment or you know men trying
02:13:50
Andrew Wilsonto work on themselves and trying to you know what is the adage 6t six figures um you know etc etc the idea here is that you can take care of a family you don't
02:14:02
Andrew Wilsonwant to have to compete with your wife's career or uh you know whatever your significant others kind of externalities are to you you want her to be devoted to you and then the exchange for that is
02:14:15
Christythat you take care of everything on behalf of them so I don't I I wouldn't say it's intimidating it's just why would you want competition get that but I in a way I
02:14:26
Christythink it is um generational too like men our age um they want to be providers they want their wives to stay at home
02:14:36
Christynow when I talk to my 23-year-old daughter about her dating life the guys that she dates or has she's talked to in the past they want a woman that's going
02:14:46
Christyto bring 50% to the table they want a working woman because things are so expensive now they want to be a power couple with a woman and I think it's
02:14:58
Andrew Wilsonjust more like a generational thing but wouldn't I mean wouldn't this I Well here here's the thing um I I think I think again I think you're right in a sense and then in another sense maybe a
02:15:10
Andrew Wilsonlittle wrong here if you say traditional then yes that's always going to be a generational thing because we're appealing to previous generations for what the tradition is right we're not making the generation in this tradition
02:15:22
Andrew Wilsonor you know uh the tradition is not made this generation it's made in previous ones so the question then becomes this if you're looking for a man who has Traditional Values when I ask what are
02:15:33
Andrew Wilsonyou bringing to the table I'd be looking for you to bring similar traditional female values to the table but what I see instead is that women seem to want to move into I want a man to follow the
02:15:46
Andrew Wilsontraditional values of X but I still want to be more in the set of a modern one woman and I don't understand how those two things get reconciled exactly you want a traditional man to
02:15:58
Andrew Wilsonprovide for you and take care of everything for you what are you bringing to the table that's that question is talking in
02:16:06
Christyin terms of tradition I would say housewife like laundry cook clean tend to the kids make sure he is taken care
02:16:16
Andrew Wilsonof 100% in the bedroom and outside the bedroom yeah but I mean you guys are way past I mean I'm sorry I don't mean I don't mean this rudely but you're past childbearing age right abolutely yeah so
02:16:29
Andrew Wilsonif that's the case what are the traditional values you're bringing you're not going to be looking after as kids at this point so what is it specifically that is a traditional value be bringing to the
02:16:40
Asiatable I think they want a man wants a woman to same same kind of traditional they want a partner they want someone that they come home to that they can try TR that they can count on I think they
02:16:54
Christywant submission right well someone needs to be a leader and someone needs to be the submissive one right yeah but what does submission mean well someone who is
02:17:04
Christygoing to care for the leader in the household whereby she is going to um do things that he's not able to do half the
02:17:16
Christytime because he has a career he's at work so tend to him like do his l laundry make sure he has breakfast lunch and dinner made and prepared well those are those are daily duties so what what
02:17:28
Christyis submission mean though what does that mean for one thing I know people kind of mistaken like submission to be like weak the weaker half but I would have to disagree with
02:17:40
Christythat I would say submission means somebody who is going to take the back seat or someone who's going to sit in the passenger seat and let the man take
02:17:49
Christythe driver's seat and make the decisions in the household and make sure you know the budget is intact and you guys are living within your means it means
02:18:00
Andrew Wilsonobedience correct it means obedience it means to obey can you actually take a submissive role can you actually obey even if you
02:18:11
Andrew Wilsondisagree even if he's in the wrong even if you believe he's completely incorrect can you take that role I don't think that means that you have to be a carpet you still have a voice as a submissive
02:18:23
Christypartner it doesn't mean that you're going to be the weak one and accept all his wrongdoings it I mean you you can agree you can agree to disagree hang on hang
02:18:35
Andrew Wilsonon you can most examples inside of a relationship where there is a submiss a submissive partner and one who has a household are not moral quandaries they're General quandaries so I'm not
02:18:47
Andrew Wilsonsaying that you have to uh seed to immoral Behavior like he says I want to open the relationship or something like this but obeyence is if we're going to spend all of the money on this we're
02:18:59
Andrew Wilsonspending all of the money on this obeying means if the kids need to go to ex school I want them to go to that school even if you don't agree even if it's 30 minutes out of your way and you
02:19:09
Andrew Wilsonthink it's stupid that's what obeying means it's not always so you're you kind of conflate this with a moral quandry there most of these issues are not moral quandaries right you could still
02:19:21
Andrew Wilsoncompromise there's still room for compro then that's not obey that's not obedience compromise is not obedience compromise is the opposite of obedience so you're telling me that
02:19:31
Christybeing the submissive half of the relationship is somebody that is just going to bow down 100% of the time yeah unless there's a moral quandry can
02:19:44
Christyyou tell me why there's a problem with that well for example you use that taking the child to a 30 minute away a 30 minute away from home school right
02:19:56
Christyand then the mom has to be the one to travel to to do all that but what if there's a school that's like 5 minutes away that's just as good isn't there
02:20:06
Andrew Wilsonroom what does obedience mean does obedience mean that even though you've had the discussion he has the final word on it he says do it anyway even if you
02:20:16
Andrew Wilsondon't like it I'm making this decision even though even though you disagree you don't you don't particularly enjoy this you think even I'm being stupid or you think that I'm being out of pocket
02:20:27
Andrew Wilsonhere what does obedience mean what does that mean I would say as long as it's moral you can't put conditionals you can't put well you can put the
02:20:40
Christyconditional only of moral but as long as it's moral what other conditionals can you put on it and that's why you have to be very careful on who you choose as a partner correct I think part of having a
02:20:52
Jasminepartner though is like your husband should also submit to you and I'm not saying that that's not traditional we're talking we're talking specifically about traditional we're talking okay there could be traditional non-Christian but
02:21:04
Jasminethere's also traditional Christian and if you know the Bible right Jesus submitted to the church does it not say wives submit to your husband as the
02:21:13
Jasminechurch has submitted to God and husbands submit to your wives as Christ has qu CH okay so you're quoting Matthew yes so so in Matthew when I'm sorry quoting Paul
02:21:25
Andrew Wilsonnot Matthew my bad it's I think okay so so when you're talking about when you're talking about Paul okay when when this is said I believe it's in Corinthians
02:21:34
Jasminewives submit unto your husband as you would unto the Lord unto the Lord right just as the church submits to Christ
02:21:46
Andrew Wilsonyeah well okay but marriage is the figure head which represents this so are going to be the head which is a representation of Christ who's the head of the church women are going to be the body which is the church itself who does
02:21:59
Andrew Wilsonthe church submit to they submit to Christ but okay so then if that is the case then what is The Logical entailment there but if you're just taking what is
02:22:11
JasmineThe Logical entailment there no because it even says that husbands should serve their wives that's part of being an A okay so let's try this again if you are to submit unto your husband as you are
02:22:23
Andrew Wilsonunto the Lord are you allowed to disobey the Lord no okay so then are you allowed to disobey your husband yeah but in the
02:22:34
JasmineBible it also respond there but what I'm saying is you're answer my question my question first answer my question first willingly submit to your husbands but
02:22:46
Andrew WilsonI'm saying don't be with a husband that also isn't willing to submit to you don't be with no there's no no Mutual submission that is what it is to serve each other no stop stop you're taking
02:22:58
Andrew Wilsonyou're taking uh Paul way out of context here when you're talking about Mutual submission especially the reason that it's specifically references why wives
02:23:08
Andrew Wilsonshould submit even if their husbands fall astray even if they fall astray is because if a woman still stays true he can find his way back when you're talking about Mutual submission let's
02:23:19
Andrew Wilsonstart with this idea so if a man is what do what does what does submitting to your husband as unto the Lord mean what does that
02:23:29
Jasminemean that you obey him but what I'm saying is like you would unto who to the Lord and are you ever allowed
02:23:39
Andrew Wilsonto disobey the Lord no okay so then I don't know what what is your argument then that oh you made me lose my train of thought hold on what from what I
02:23:50
Asiaunderstand from Christianity the husband is supposed to put the wife on a pedestal and the and the wife submits to the husband so there's a balancing act well what I was trying to get at is if a
02:24:00
Jasmineman is providing for you if a man is taking care of you that's part of like submitting to you cuz a man doesn't have to do that man doesn't have to provide for his like Wife and Kids there's a lot
02:24:13
Jasmineof men that don't do that that they want to go 50/50 I think part of a man submitting is saying I'm submitting to you in the fact that I want to work hard for this family I want to work hard so that you're able to be here with my
02:24:24
Andrew Wilsonchildren and so that you can submit to me in the same way uh let's untangle let's untangle some Concepts here so the first concept we'll untangle is I don't dispute that there's a lot of men who
02:24:35
Andrew Wilsonwill always do X totally irrelevant the conversation we're having right now right now with you is what Christian couples are to do or ought do not what
02:24:47
Andrew Wilsonother men do or what a lot of men do or what some some men do or what many men do only what Christian traditionalists do within this worldview so untangle
02:24:57
Andrew Wilsonthat from your argument and tell me how should Christian women respond in obedience to their husbands by serving them and submitting
02:25:08
Andrew Wilsonto them that's right by serving them and submitting to them okay so let me ask you how is a man supposed to serve his wife how is a man a man is is to serve his entire f family in the same way that
02:25:21
Andrew WilsonChrist is supposed to be the sacrifice as the head then you is the exchanger in this because he is the ultimate sacrifice for the family he takes the
02:25:32
Andrew Wilsonbullet he's the person who has to take all of the heat he's the person who has to take all the responsibility for the decisions you shut your [ __ ] mouth and you let him do that that's that's what obedience
02:25:44
Andrew Wilsonmeans but in that a way isn't that submitting to his family and submitting to his wife in the context if you want to call that submission you can and I'm willing to even seed and allow you to
02:25:56
Andrew Wilsonbecause I think in the church context sure you could call that submission but is it is it submission when we're talking about obedience is a man to be obedient to his
02:26:08
Andrew Wilsonwife in other words or is a wife to be obedient to her husband both both it's
02:26:18
Andrew Wilson50/50 I think it's just a mutual respect what does that mean a mutual respect he says no what's your answer when he says
02:26:29
Jasmineno oh yeah you don't really yeah no you're right okay well then what are you talking about well it depends like obviously certain things cuz you're just saying a man shouldn't submit at all to his wife there are instances where a man
02:26:41
Jasmineis submitting though and serving his wife instances by willing to be like you said traditional and working and and providing that's submitting like if if
02:26:52
Jasmineyou don't want to see it as that way but it is like by a man saying like I'm willing to put my time to the side I'm willing to let you stay at home like I
02:27:01
SPEAKER_00want to work and just Gerald donated $200 the more I hear them speak the more I love my peaceful broke young
02:27:11
SPEAKER_00submissive loyal Christian girlfriend who accepts all my decisions who said I trust you to lead me and our future family Gerald thank you man appreciate thank
02:27:23
Andrew Wilsonyou for the TTS I okay I'm just going to see the argument I even consider this a form of submission who has the final say in traditional relationships the man
02:27:35
Andrew Wilsonno no no let her answer oh sorry who has the final
02:27:42
Andrew Wilsonsay yeah I mean I guess the man oh okay well then I don't I don't I so even if I call it submission even if I just see the argument say that that is a man's form of submission which I don't even
02:27:54
Andrew Wilsondisagree with when you're talking about how husbands and wives are to submit to each other I'll even concede the argument that that is exactly how a man is to submit to his family who has the
02:28:03
Andrew Wilsonfinal say is the man and that is the point of what female submission is to be and if that is the case of what female submission is to be then you have been
02:28:14
Asiaarguing with me just nonsense circular nonsense for the last 10 minutes I don't mind submitting to my man I'm just saying we're taking this out of context here you're trying to go down this rabbit hole but the whole reason
02:28:27
AsiaI'm looking for a traditional man is because I've never had that because I've had to be the man in the relationship you penis and not to address not to offend anyone that doesn't um identify
02:28:39
Asiaas a gender or if that's offensive but what I'm saying is yeah I've always I had to be the alpha female you the guy well let us again let us deal Breer so untangle untangle these
02:28:51
Andrew Wilsondifferent concepts the first concept we'll untangle is in your relationships I'm guessing that they're secular they're not based in a religious relationship I'm more spiritual I consider myself spiritual I did grow up
02:29:03
Andrew WilsonCatholic secular okay so they're not Christian relationships what I'm getting at I do yes okay gotcha so to untangle this me and her were discussing
02:29:15
Andrew Wilsonspecifically in the context of Christianity right and so I'm fine with moving back to the idea of like secular relationships um I just wanted to untangle those two concepts really quickly so now that we're moving back
02:29:27
Andrew Wilsoninto the area of secular relationships then it's just an exchange right what else could it be he gets and you get I I don't I don't really see how else or or what other incentive there would be
02:29:39
Andrew Wilsonabsent Divine command for you to have a relationship other than just like what you get out of it right so that's why I'm asking if it if it is just a matter of what you get versus what he gets what
02:29:49
Andrew Wilsonis does he get that's all I'm asking here thank you for clearing that up well I I think it's necessary to clear it up yeah and I agree I don't
02:30:00
Brian Atlasdisagree I I'd be happy to submit to a man all right I found one I could be with okay yeah I'm going to read a couple chats here we have LOL paladins
02:30:11
Morganactually Maddie w't you uh I'll tell you guys a joke I'm a multi-millionaire and I'd rather support a 52-year-old woman with an adult child in tow versus the
02:30:22
Brian Atlashot young woman that doesn't speak English thank you with an adult child in toe versus the hunit understand though multi-millionaire and mother support a 15-year-old woman wait he he's saying
02:30:33
Brian Atlashe'd rather have the joke is is he' rather have her than her oh it's a joke is it a joke or is he being serious paladins you guy okay thank you man
02:30:43
Morganappreciate it uh we have Alec Lewis one Peter or go ahead m one Peter 3 vers 1-7 Andrew read this this is what you're talking about from one Christian to
02:30:54
Andrew Wilsonanother a woman submits to her husband's headship according to Christ game over yeah but she wasn't she wasn't really denying that that was true um in and
02:31:05
Andrew Wilsonusually what we end up with we we tangle over the ideas of Paul more than anything when it comes to marriage because he outlined him so well um but I mean she she essentially conceded that
02:31:17
Brian Atlasthis is so so there's really no reason to to uh to move past that I don't think word word uh twitch guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow and
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02:31:38
Brian Atlasand we are gonna stiffler's been dying oh okay uh ask everyone to rate their looks on a scale of one to 10
02:31:50
Jasminecan't pick seven starting with you can't pick seven uh like my own looks yeah oh um I mean it depends on who you're asking I think I'm like a good six right now I
02:32:02
Jasminehave no lashes and I'm very like humbly makeup right now okay I think I'm an eight okay what about you I'd also say
02:32:12
Claudiathe same as six an eight I'd say a six oh I'd say a six like a four five five just come like to the like the beauty standard you
02:32:27
Brian Atlasknow say Okay eight all right cool uh
02:32:37
Asiaokay what was the highest rating eight eight okay there's three the highest who said eight three the three of us at eight boom boom and then christe oh
02:32:47
SPEAKER_11Christy eight yeah okay you really think you're an eight yeah wait is that like no I think she's prettier
02:32:58
SPEAKER_11prettier yeah I like took offense no no so
02:33:07
Brian Atlasum Maddie said she's an eight eight eight um I don't know if I need to give much push back no tens at the table but um
02:33:20
Brian Atlasyou guys then I I I think we need to give some push back okay give some push back so okay uh you guys would you think then are you also prepared to say that you're the most attractive women at the
02:33:32
Asiatable you two no because I think everybody underrated themselves I see okay okay well I have a question so so
02:33:43
Andrew Wilsonhang on I'm I'm curious though from your estimation why do you think they gave themselves a lower standard than you gave yourself even though you don't think they're any less pretty than you are I think when you're younger you're a
02:33:54
Asialittle bit you know you're not as confident you know when you get to our age you know you start to be more confident within yourself can you describe for me the
02:34:04
Andrew Wilsonmost unattractive man you've ever been on a date with what did he look like oh gosh damn usually whichever one Pops to pops
02:34:15
Asiainto pops into your head whichever one it is I don't know probably bad skin MH
02:34:30
Asiaum balding MH maybe weird body I don't know I don't
02:34:40
Asiaknow I I honestly I I really do go for the personality I think chrisye and I talk about on the podcast sometimes we'll give a for chance if they have a good personality because it's not really
02:34:53
Asiaabout the looks It is Well explain to me what a four looks like probably like red face
02:35:02
Asiabalding you know um not swag and their dressing like their style is not maybe short maybe a little fat maybe
02:35:15
Andrew Wilsonyeah maybe yeah those would be all standards right but I've dated men shorter than me what does a four look like for a
02:35:27
Asiawoman I would say maybe somebody that doesn't hang on let her let her respond let her respond oh are you oh you're asking me yeah what's a four look like
02:35:34
Asiafor a woman probably um overweight so overweight not great hair not good
02:35:45
Asiaskin are those things that tend to come with age um well I'm an aesthetician by trade not really you know young girls people are
02:35:56
Andrew Wilsonaging quicker these days especially in California because of the sun um yeah so I mean the older they would be they would still that would still quantify that right so if they're 20 and
02:36:08
Andrew Wilsonthey're getting their they're beat up then by 60 they're going to be really beat up right probably yeah so then it would it would logically follow then that if they're already getting beat up by 20 that at 60 they're going to be
02:36:20
Andrew Wilsoneven less attracted than they were at 20 so the question becomes you at 53 years old in comparison to the 20y old I'm sorry 52 get right Andrew get it right
02:36:31
Andrew WilsonI'm sorry I'm sorry 52 I did I didn't mean to misquote your age my bad it doesn't matter compared to the 20s somethings who are around the table what are the features now that we know that you have a standard that would make them
02:36:43
Andrew Wilsonmore less attractive than you who the girls at the table yeah pick out the prettiest girl at the table who they're all gorgeous who's the prettiest
02:36:55
Asiaone [Music] um the prettiest the prettiest huh I wouldn't even an answer that
02:37:08
Jasminequestion I know you're not a natural beauty but I think with the right clothes the right look you could be very striking well let me ask you a question then to you who would not answer the question to you would not answer the
02:37:20
Andrew Wilsonquestion I would like to know if you're going to lie to me or not when you sat down at the table and when most women sit down at that table do you think that
02:37:29
Andrew Wilsonthey assess instantly the attractiveness of the women who are next to them do you think that they pick out little flaws do you think they pick out little things inside of their head where they go oh I
02:37:41
Andrew Wilsondon't like that top I don't like her eyebrows what is she thinking with this look isn't that all true isn't that what most of the of the time women are doing when they assess each other when they sit down with each other isn't that actually what's going
02:37:57
SPEAKER_00on sorry I zoned out I was reading the the I'm asking to to the G in the white blouse who said I even answer the
02:38:05
SPEAKER_00question yeah GMD Jim donated $199 the old woman actually is funny she believes she is going to find an actual
02:38:16
Andrew Wilsontraditional man that would put up with her BS that is absolutely hilarious she offers little that's your opinion I mean she'll she'll probably by this time next year
02:38:28
Andrew Wilsonbe in Europe with some guy and he probably will pay for everything and you probably and you know it's true Jim but anyway back to Gallum white blouse thank you Jim um so so I'm just going to ask
02:38:39
Andrew Wilsonyou because you said I wouldn't even answer the question isn't it true that women all the time likely even including yourself inside of your mind pick up apart almost every other woman that you
02:38:51
Andrew Wilsonsit down with and you basically can't help yourself isn't isn't that really what happens with women um well first of all my name is Christie and um I don't think well I appreciate you clarifying that understand that there's many people
02:39:03
Christythere with different names and so it's hard for me to remember everybody's name refreshing your memory um I don't think girls are like that I mean maybe because I'm old however I sometimes do that
02:39:16
Christybecause I'm an esthetician so when I meet someone for the first time I do scan their face and look at their skin look at their pores look at their wrinkles but I really don't think after
02:39:26
Christyworking with women um and only working with women that they're naturally judging women that sit next to them or are in their
02:39:35
Andrew WilsonCircle well if you don't mind I'd like to go around the table just very quickly with a raise of hand do women oftenly often silently judge other women even
02:39:47
Andrew Wilsonthough they would never say this out loud based on their looks the clothes that they wear and different beauty standards which they themselves hold raise your hand if that's true well that's really weird
02:39:59
Asiainterestingly enough though just not for you the esthetician right I think also we're older by your own you own admission but somehow you think that other women don't do that now literally
02:40:11
Andrew Wilsonevery woman at that table just raised their hand and yet you're going to fib and [ __ ] me and say you have no Beauty standard yeah right tell me who is is the prettiest girl at the table tell me the truth who is
02:40:26
Christyit oh is he talking to me I'm sorry is it Christy christe who is it okay thank you for addressing me um the prettiest woman in this
02:40:37
Christytable you know it's hard to say because everyone's different ages different body shapes different faces I'm not going to put anyone on the spot or even put myself on the spot so I'm going to say
02:40:49
Andrew Wilsonnot going to answer that question okay that's fine and that's fair let me ask you just a quick followup inside of your head can you can you tell me just this truth that inside of your head you do
02:41:01
Christyknow who you think the prettiest girl at the table is no I would have to probably have everyone stand up and scan their bodies I agree we should do a fit Che seriously
02:41:13
Brian Atlasokay we need to do a fit check we haven't done H okay all right we'll do okay you go first stand up I'm not a chick well you got to be judged too
02:41:24
Christyright what yeah no on what's what are you afraid of this is about the ladies this is about the ladies oh well and
02:41:33
Brian Atlasalso I I said I would not reveal my my dumpy these guys in the chat want to see my dumpy I ain't doing it toay they got to pay for that [ __ ] so this is a yo AB
02:41:45
Brian Atlascheck thank for gift of 20 all right we'll do a fit check we'll start over there if you guys want to just stand up oh my God you said you wanted to fit you said you wanted to see how they look go ahead take a take a stand I will say
02:41:58
Brian Atlasthis and I'm 100% take a stand go ahead you take a stand you she can take a stand you get a stand you get a stand so beautiful y this top is from Cece's
02:42:08
Serenacloset you know I just borrowed it today actually these jeans are from Target and I'm wearing socks from my closet as well what about the Hair Band the Hair Band I've actually where's that from I've had it for like years you don't even know don't know I can't it's dopee okay thank
02:42:21
Claudiayou very much what about uh I'll go okay there we go so my shirt is from Serena's bag you know it's
02:42:33
Claudiacutesies those um this these are from like what Charlotte ruse they were like five bucks super cheap you know super cheap and that's it and my hair like whatever I have this big tattoo that's like fading off is it did you want more
02:42:45
Brian Atlasdo you need like spins or what do you need oh do you need a spin from I'm judging right now that's why we're doing this can you translate tell her in Spanish um uh like fit
02:42:59
Claudiacheck I'll I'll take the black baby here you stand oh yeah see that's the only thing she knows in English I I just taught her how to say
02:43:10
Claudiathat right now okay all right got
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Morgansee very cuty very deor are we saying where we got our outfits from actually I like your outfit so what are the details dude dude I want her outfit
02:43:49
Morganuh my set is from Princess Paulie and my shoes are from Steve Madden cute cute this is so Random we've never done this before very mind we did fit checks
02:44:01
Lexilike yeah but we say what we wear oh okay I don't know all right whatever um she's going next should I go go sure yeah go ahead oh I'm just wearing Brandy melvo I got it today and my socks are
02:44:11
Lexiboth white but they're mismatch they're different brands I lost my socks so did you play soccer I do yeah now now if the gals who just
02:44:23
Andrew Wilsondemonstrated themselves to you Christine consider themselves average which they seem to because they consider themselves somewhere between a five and a six which on a scale of 10 I would say
02:44:34
Andrew Wilsonis pretty close to average what would make the other gals here in eight other than some other some other than Beauty standard like confidence or something
02:44:44
Christylike this what would actually make them eights so physically make them eights [Music]
02:44:57
Christymaybe I don't know I'm going to say moisturizer and sunscreen so they don't get sun damage and wrinkles when they're my age
02:45:08
Andrew Wilsonword yeah what would make them eight right now what was that compared to the compared to the women who call themselves average What would make the
02:45:19
Christywomen there who call themselves eights actually eights that's my question I would say probably more self-confidence in the way they view themselves they should feel more
02:45:30
Christycomfortable in their own skin cuz all of them are way beautiful so pretty right so based on physical beauty standards then would would you revise the answer
02:45:41
Andrew Wilsonfor the eights and say that they're not actually AIDS if they're being compared to women who are physically more beautiful than them who judge their physical characteristics to be
02:45:54
Andrew Wilsonaverage which by the way you know there's nothing wrong with average you have a massive sample size of half of planet Earth I think that average is
02:46:03
Andrew Wilsonprobably pretty good average is way better than ugly
02:46:10
Andrew Wilsonyeah but eight is like super model tier right Ultra hot an eight I think eight is yeah no so what's what is average
02:46:21
Christywhat is average I think is an a is between average and supermodel what well then what would it I think we have a different crer
02:46:33
SPEAKER_00$200 La they would rather do this than admit that they were wrong when saying they are AIDS now imagine being in a relationship with them you're demonstrating why men wouldn't want to deal with old
02:46:45
Andrew Wilsonwomen wait what I wouldn't consider myself old eight is super duper hot nine is smoking hot 10 is maybe 10 of them on planet Earth that's 10 I think it like
02:46:58
Andrew Wilsondepends everyone has different beauty standards you know right well actually as tribute let me ask you a question if everybody has different beauty standards which I agree there
02:47:10
Andrew Wilsoncould be some subjective metric to this can you ask or can I ask you a question do you think most women would whether uh be skinnier or fatter I think nowadays fatter skinnier you
02:47:23
Jasminethink I would say you think that most women would prefer to be fatter like there's girls that love me because I'm thick and I hate it like I want more Libo to get rid of my ass yeah do you think so you think most women would
02:47:36
Brian Atlasprefer to be skinnier yeah yes well then we have a standard don't we I want to offer myself up as tribute uh can you guys just rate me on
02:47:47
Brian Atlasa scale of 1 to 10 I will not be off Ed I'm just curious go ahead starting with you well you got to stand up now we no
02:47:58
Christyjust face just face just face I'm not standing up face card Al so just face yeah just hold on start her can I get your age 35
02:48:11
Andrew Wilsonum like a why would that matter like honestly why would it even matter what his age was I don't get that because he could either look really good for his age or really bad for his age but but that's has nothing to do with it he's
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Jasminejust asking you to rate him who cares what his age is the [ __ ] based on physical characteristics right his age wouldn't matter how to me I've never been attracted to white men and I'm in a
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Jasminerelationship so like a three you have a good like
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Christybeard come on now nice eyes but okay what about you uh I would say you're above average to six okay what about you I would also say you're just a little too old for me so
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ChristyI'd say a 62 okay I'm going to start off by saying the beard is good no start with the the eyebrows the
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Brian Atlaseyebrows are very well maintained I don't m i don't maintain sh natural no the shit's natural son [ __ ] 10 out of 10 eyebrow genetics wow you're natural
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Christybeauty then that's good okay I'm going to I'm going to rate you we can't do sixes you can say six