She SCAMS Men ($250,000)?! 52 Year Old Single Mom WILL NOT SETTLE ($500k+/yr)?! | Dating Talk #188
Date: 2024-08-19
Duration: 7h 03m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00(audience)
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_03Asia(guest)
SPEAKER_04Claudia(guest)
SPEAKER_05Christy(guest)
SPEAKER_06Morgan(guest)
SPEAKER_07Maddie(guest)
SPEAKER_08(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_10Lexi(guest)
SPEAKER_13Jasmine(guest)
SPEAKER_14Serena(guest)
Key Moments
00:03:24
IntroJasmine introduces herself as ex-stripper/scammer, stay-at-home girlfriend
“Jasmine, 26, Thousand Oaks, stay-at-home girlfriend. Used to be a stripper and scammer.”
00:08:30
Key MomentJasmine details the fake fiancé scam: ~$250,000 extracted from 52yo man over 2 years
“He paid rent, breast augmentation, liposuction, sent $5-10k/month via phone transfers.”
00:30:09
IntroAsia introduces herself: 52yo LA, beauty trainer, GlowUp Girls podcast
“Asia, 52, Los Angeles, beauty industry regional trainer, GlowUp Girls podcast.”
00:31:18
IntroChristy introduces herself: 53yo Chino Hills esthetician, GlowUp Girls podcast
“Christy, Chino Hills, licensed esthetician specializing in sugaring, GlowUp Girls podcast.”
00:32:34
IntroClaudia (Cece) introduces herself: 20yo pharmacy tech
“Claudia/Cece, 20, turning 21 soon, pharmacy specialist tech.”
00:32:52
IntroMorgan introduces herself: 18yo SBCC political science student
“Morgan, 18, city college, political science.”
00:33:04
IntroMaddie introduces herself: 19yo Whatever podcast staff / SBCC student
“Maddie, 19, works on the podcast, student at city college.”
01:36:36
Key MomentAsia reveals she wants $500k/year partner; female delusion calculator shows 0.031%
“I would say at least $500,000... 0.031% of men match that criteria.”
02:45:00
Key MomentSelf-rating round: guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7s allowed)
“Jasmine 6, Asia 8, Christy 8, Lexi 6, Claudia 6, Serena 8, Maddie 8. Brian 5.”
03:20:00
ControversyAndrew says 52yo women bring nothing to the table — calls Asia an "old bag"
“None of them including the old bag here bring nothing to the table by their own admission except their vagina.”
04:00:00
Key MomentBrian plays bow video; asks each woman if she would bow for her man
“Maddie: yes. Asia: yes. Lexi: no. Morgan: no. Claudia: yes.”
04:55:00
QuoteAndrew articulates three things men want from women: peace, anticipating needs, putting him first
“Men essentially want peace in their home, they want their woman to anticipate their needs, and you have to put him above your own needs and desires.”
05:30:00
QuoteAsia refuses to lower standards after delusion calculator shows 0.031%
“I won't lower my standards. I'll be alone, that's what you guys think, so I'm happy being alone.”
05:50:00
ControversyJasmine claims 80% of men would SA a woman in the forest; Andrew offers $10k bet
“80% of secular men would rape a woman if given the opportunity in a forest.”
06:40:20
TopicAsia rage-quits the show during discussion of white culture
“I have to go. Bye. I'm out of here.”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Show intro and announcements
Brian Atlas opens the show, gives platform announcements (Streamlabs, Twitch, merch, Discord, TikTok).
00:03:15
Guest introductions (round 1)
Each guest introduces name, age, location, occupation. Extended discussion of Jasmine's stripping/scamming background and fake fiancé story (~$250k extracted).
00:35:00
Relationship status round
Brian asks each guest current relationship status, longest relationship, how they met current partner.
00:42:00
Pre-show notes: Asia's dating history
Deep dive into Asia's 45 first dates over one year post-10-year relationship. Dating app experiences, 3 three-month situationships, $1,500 first date, income/success discussion.
01:30:00
Women's success and what men care about
Brian and Andrew debate whether a woman's career success matters to men. Asia argues success is attractive; Brian points out she never paid for a date. Andrew explains traditional male provider hierarchy.
02:05:00
Traditional values, submission, and obedience
Extended theological and philosophical debate on submission in relationships. References Pauline epistles (Corinthians/Ephesians). Andrew argues obedience means husband has final say; Jasmine provides Christian context. Asia and Christy discuss what men want from traditional relationships.
02:45:00
Self-rating round (looks 1-10)
Guests rate their own looks on 1-10 scale (no 7s). Jasmine: 6, Asia: 8, Christy: 8, Lexi: 6, Claudia: 6, Serena: 8, Maddie: 8. Brian rates himself 5/10; guests rate Brian 3-6. Fit check — guests stand to show outfits.
03:00:00
Aging and looks trajectory
Discussion of whether women look better or worse as they age. Brian argues all people get less attractive over time. Asia claims she looks better at 52 than at 22. Christy: peak at 23, declined during marriage, recovered in 50s via plastic surgery and self-care.
03:20:00
Plastic surgery debate
Discussion of nose jobs, BBLs, lip filler, Botox. Brian dislikes most procedures; Andrew notes 90s vs current trends. General agreement nose jobs can improve appearance; BBLs widely criticized.
03:31:40
What do men want / help-mate concept
Andrew articulates three things men want: peace, anticipating needs, and being put first. Brian discusses help-mate concept — stay-at-home girlfriend increases his earning potential. Lori (Jasmine) describes being a stay-at-home girlfriend; what she cooks/prepares.
04:00:00
Bow video and showing respect to partner
Brian plays viral video of woman bowing to man coming home. Goes around the table asking if each woman would bow. Maddie: yes without hesitation. Asia: yes if it makes him happy. Lexi: would not, finds it culturally weird. Morgan: would not. Claudia: would for her current guy. Andrew discusses curtsy as female equivalent.
04:25:00
Past shouldn't matter / body count discussion
Brian asks if past matters (started from Jasmine's sex-work background). Goes around table on body counts. Jasmine: ~6. Asia: less than 20. Serena: 5. Maddie: declines. Lexi: 0 (virgin, Christian). Claudia: 6. Discussion of double standards and hookup culture.
04:40:00
Jasmine's NBA player and rapper dating history
Jasmine reveals she dated an NBA starter for 8 months while abstinent. Also went on dates with minor rapper one-take J. Brian discusses percentage of women who are strippers/sex workers in LA.
04:55:00
What women bring to the table (older women)
Andrew asks Asia and Christy directly: what do you bring that offsets financial burden + baggage? Both cite: friendship, companionship, cooking, emotional support. Andrew argues these traits are available in younger women with less baggage. Discussion of older male dating pool being vicious for women; widower phenomenon.
05:25:00
Female delusion calculator — income requirements
Each woman states income requirement for a partner. Asia: $500k/year (revised: needs $1M retirement nest egg); other women: $70k-$100k. Nick pulls up female delusion calculator. 0.031% of men at $500k criteria; 0.14% at $200k. Asia refuses to lower standards.
05:50:00
Bear vs man in forest
Classic bear vs man question. Jasmine says bear — claims 80% of men would SA a woman if given opportunity. Andrew and Brian spend extended time challenging this math (110 million SA-inclined men in USA). Jasmine revises to 40%, then back to 80% for secular men. Andrew offers $10,000 bet that 2 in 10 men wouldn't even cat-call her at a grocery store. Brian argues Jasmine essentially hates men.
06:23:20
Feminist and political questions
Do you consider yourself a feminist? All say no. Can you be racist to white people? Mixed opinions. Is there male privilege? Maddie says yes but earns it; panel mostly agrees both genders have different privileges. Who is the primary victim of war? All say men. Are men or women physically stronger? Men. Can you be sexist toward men? Yes.
06:40:00
Show wrap-up
Asia rage-quits when asked about white culture. Final ratings of Brian's eyebrows (42-55 out of 60). Brian announces Tuesday show with Daily Wire guest. Twitch raid to Summit1G. Andrew promotes debateuniversity.com.
Transcript
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Brian Atlaswhatever Channel with that said and without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead uh Jasmine 26
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JasmineThousand Oaks California and I'm a stay-at home girlfriend okay and what though oh yeah um I used to be a stripper and scammer stripper and
00:03:35
Jasminescammer yeah okay what so what is uh what's a scammer well I just feel like when uh cuz stripping is like part of sex work and so when you're like scamming people you're just telling them you know you're going to get something
00:03:49
Jasminethat you're not going to get because I wouldn't bring down my like self morals I mean obviously I didn't have the best morals at that time but I wouldn't bring down my morals lower to um get money
00:04:00
JasmineI would just rather lie to them so what would you lie about um I honestly wouldn't ever say anything because when you work in a strip club you can't say you're going to do explicit things I
00:04:12
Jasminewould just kind of either like agree with whatever they were asking or just you know like yeah we're going to have fun like you know I wouldn't um so what's the scam though they yeah they
00:04:23
Jasminewould think they were going to have sex or like sexual interactions with me that just weren't going to happen so cuz that's like why most men go to strip clubs so they would yeah so
00:04:35
Andrew Wilsonthere's um this is often the case you can correct me if I'm wrong but uh many strippers engage in backroom prostitution is that correct a th% correct yeah yeah yeah th% correct and
00:04:46
Andrew Wilsonthere is coded language which is used between the clubgoers and the strippers and I'm sure that you knew what that coded language was right and so when they would use the coded language you would take them back and then that's
00:04:58
Jasminewhen you would just not delete pretty much um there honestly a lot of like regular customers don't have a code of language they just blatantly say like I want this like are you going to
00:05:09
Jasmineperform this you know um my managers knew that I would lie cuz they they didn't care I would make a lot of money um for the club and for myself so sometimes if they didn't like customers
00:05:22
Jasmineyou know they've given them hard times they' send them my way and let me scam them and so but I imagine so the customers
00:05:33
Jasminewould give you money with expectation of X so they'd pay the club like whatever the dance was to get like the private room and then when we'd go in I'd ask for my tip first and then I would figure
00:05:45
Jasmineout how to entertain them for 15 minutes without doing what they want or anything really but would they ever overly request oh yeah yeah they try and you would agree no oh I wouldn't agree I
00:05:58
Jasminewouldn't do anything so but what's the scam then that I'm getting their money for not doing anything they want they are getting scammed and to believing that they're going to get something met some they're
00:06:10
Brian Atlaspaying for something so they say I want to I want a bj yeah and I'm just like we're going to have go back there and have fun and it wouldn't happen so when you went when you took
00:06:22
Andrew Wilsonthem to the back room and they were on to the impression that they were going to let's say in this case get a blow job let's say did they pay you UPF front for what they thought would be the sexual
00:06:34
Andrew Wilsonfavor yeah pretty much they would give me my tip and then I would just like not do anything and how much would you charge them for these uh favors they thought they were going to get um I
00:06:45
Jasminehonestly didn't charge I would just like if it looked like someone that was going to be difficult I'd asked for like more um they usually had like something that they'd offer like 200 like some girls
00:06:58
Jasmineare in there doing stuff for like so you have to like really be and it's usually those customers that would be aggressive like I've had customers push me into
00:07:09
Jasminewalls um cuz again like they do get mad they go to like the manager and complain and and at the end of the day there's really nothing that they can do if you know I just hold my story like I didn't
00:07:22
Jasmineagree to anything I just were going to have fun but I mean you seem to acknowledge yourself that there's a scam component here yeah but I wasn't going to scam myself out of my own morals and like
00:07:34
JasmineDignity of giving a stranger a [ __ ] or sexual
00:07:42
Brian Atlasfavors so okay um were there was there aside from like what you were doing in the strip club was there any other sort of scamming stuff yeah I had a Fake Fiance for like
00:07:54
Jasmine2 years I met him at the strip club what do you how did that play out um I worked at like a bigger Club in La which is like a it's a um like topless bar so
00:08:04
Jasminethey have they serve alcohol and they have like sell sections and stuff I met him there and he invited me to a Dodger game so I said sure and then we went on another date and then from there on he
00:08:16
Jasminejust um he knew he wasn't going to get sex out of me cuz I was at the time abstinent and so he just started spending a bunch of money thinking that he was going to get eventually sex out of me and then he proposed to me on
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SPEAKER_00third bigotted Ben donated $69 Q4 panel what does dismantling whiteness mean to you and how important is it well I
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Andrew Wilsonmean we're still on introductions maybe we'll uh we'll we'll get back to this one bigoted been yeah we'll have to save it for later um so wait The Fake Fiance so is he just like giving you money and
00:08:54
Jasminestuff yeah he was paying my rent um I would we would go out all the time go shopping go yeah pretty much like
00:09:04
Jasmineanything I asked for MoneyWise I would make sure that like he gave it to me or sometimes even like I would send it to myself from his phone and he had no real problem with that okay
00:09:17
Jasmineand so how much a month do you think he was spending on you um willingly he was paying like $5,000 of my bills when I
00:09:27
Jasminewould just pay myself at that time I was probably making like 15ish like 12 to 15 from doing that from scamming in total like other dudes too no just him like
00:09:39
Jasminejust from him I would probably send myself like around 10,000 like a month wait you said willingly willingly he was sending me my rent my bills what was he sending you unwillingly like we would go out and I
00:09:51
Jasminewould send myself money from his phone and at the end of the day he wouldn't care he'd be like okay like just make sure you spend it on something you like need to pay for but he knew that you were doing this uh
00:10:03
Brian Atlasmost of the time he was like drunk so you'd open up his phone go into your Veno cash app Apple pay and you would just send yourself yeah okay it was I was at a really low place in this time
00:10:14
Brian Atlasin life did you you were in a low place um yeah and wait so how old was this guy 52
00:10:25
Jasmineokay how old were you uh I was I met him when I was 23 okay so I stopped talking to him probably like last a little bit earlier this year and you but you've now
00:10:36
Jasminebecome a Christian um I've been a Christian for a while I was just like super lukewarm um because I was like dancing and trying to survive so
00:10:48
Jasmineum my means of like taking money from him was like I don't have to be at the strip club and deal with all of that so MH yeah and so uh
00:11:01
Jasminebut now you're a bit more serious about your faith or well I got baptized last year and it's not more about being serious I think it's just the fact that not everyone is going to
00:11:12
Jasminecome to God like it's not easy to just leave that LIF style behind cuz I started dancing when I was 20 so it's like you have to realize like that's like a long time of being involved in that lifestyle and getting used to it
00:11:24
Brian Atlasthe fast money is like something really hard to let go of and wait so but now do you regret some of the past the
00:11:35
Jasminescamming um I feel bad for what I did to him particularly cuz I probably took over like
00:11:43
Jasmine$250,000 from him in the time that I was with him like he paid for me to get um plastic surgery like my breast done lipos suction and I wish I never got
00:11:55
Jasminethose procedures um he also got me a car in his name like yeah I I regret what I did to him personally but at the same time like I was in a place where I
00:12:07
Jasminewas being very selfish and I don't regret it because I I've learned that like a lot of those trials like I feel like God was bringing me through to be where I am now to understand girls that were in my
00:12:19
Jasmineposition or currently in God was just to be clear God was bringing you through the lipos suction and fake breasts and the that was a me thing that wasn't God that God didn't tell me to do
00:12:31
Brian Atlasthat it was more of like a me thing cuz I was insecure and so any of this money that you accured from him have you returned it's gone anything gone it's
00:12:41
Brian Atlasgone fast money is believes you faster than it comes right but I mean you you look you say some of the money he willingly gave you perhaps he didn't get anything back huh he didn't get anything
00:12:52
Brian Atlasright but perhaps that might not necessarily be so subject to return but I mean the money that you essentially stole from him where you said you'd go into his phone Apple pay
00:13:02
Brian Atlaswhatever um you spent that money but you did take it from him so for example if you were to come into money of your own MH would you consider giving him back
00:13:13
Jasminesome money um when we like ended whatever the relationship was I like he still was trying to give me money to
00:13:22
SPEAKER_00like stick around mhm God donated $69 wo don't blame me for this okay do you have a response to
00:13:31
Brian AtlasGod um what do you mean that guy don't blame me for that no that's not God okay um you said towards the end
00:13:42
Brian Atlasof the your relationship he was still trying to give you money yeah okay well putting that aside even granting you that the money that he was willingly trying to give you was fine
00:13:54
Jasmineyou did admit to taking money from him unwillingly yeah and he knows that huh he knows that like he he realized everything like towards the end and he was still like I want you to be in my
00:14:05
SPEAKER_00life I want to get married so Metro M donated $69 what Li perception it appears you don't just lie about your body count I
00:14:16
Brian Atlasdidn't even talk about my body count okay thank you Matt um well so perhaps he is forgiven you or accepted that you stole the money but don't you feel some
00:14:26
Jasmineduty to just pay him back regardless honestly the last conversation we had um I felt as if like cuz he was like you should just stay with me and I'll give
00:14:39
Jasmineyou like the life you deserve the life you want I very much felt like that was granted uh the enemy or like the devil whatever you guys want to call it trying to drag me back into that
00:14:51
Jasminelifestyle cuz that was like the last thing I was holding on to from just being in that like area of life okay wait wait wait wait wait hang on
00:15:02
Andrew Wilsonback up what so so let me get this right you knew that you were never going to actually be with this person you knew that you were uh in a fake epaned
00:15:12
Andrew Wilsonrelationship with him is that correct yeah and so you stole $250,000 from him what Brian is looking for is he's looking to see if you hold
00:15:24
Andrew Wilsonany accountability for that how much of that is your fault isn't it 100 % your fault wasn't he a victim of you in total
00:15:34
Andrew Wilsonum that's how much I got out of him that's not how much I took from him and so that's but hang on hang on if the entirety of the relationship from a
00:15:43
Andrew Wilsonperson who you were falsely engaged to was done under false pretenses then everything in which he spent and that you took under false pretenses would be theft I think we can also yeah it is
00:15:56
Jasmineit's a very fair point um but I also think like if if we look at it from another standpoint when I was in that time of life I was also looking at it as he's willingly spending all this money
00:16:07
Andrew Wilsonin the hopes of having sex with me because that was the end goal to get married yeah you told him that you wanted to be his wife I didn't tell him he proposed to me did you say yes throw
00:16:20
SPEAKER_00me a delated $69 the IRS should have forensic accountants assigned to the watching of these podcasts gifted five yo JJ appreciate it man uh
00:16:32
Jasminedid you say yes did you accept the ring um no the ring was given to me like out of him he had talked to somebody in like uh Columbia and I like saw it in
00:16:44
Jasminehis phone and I like fate got mad and so he was like here's a ring like I want you to marry me cuz he had asked me drunkenly at a restaurant and I was like sure you just spent like $4,000 taking me shopping yeah if you want to marry me
00:16:56
Andrew Wilsonokay I didn't want to make cause a scene but so he proposed to heal yeah and you said yes so then so okay so so then listen if you say this guy though he
00:17:08
Andrew Wilsonjust was spending money on me because he wanted to have sex with me he proposed to you and you said yes if that is the case isn't his expectation that everything he's spending on you or that
00:17:20
Andrew Wilsonyou're spending on yourself is from what is to be his future bride why shouldn't he have the expectation of sex that's isn't that you being hyper predatory
00:17:30
Jasmineyeah I was yeah so this is how could this not be 100% your fault because he was a willing participant like there was a lot of times we'd break up I'd tell him like straight up like I don't want
00:17:43
Jasmineto marry you I you met me at a strip club like add this up in your head like this is not real and he would very like much just act completely to it thank you Gian Jade
00:17:55
SPEAKER_00donated $69 you say you're Christian then you are commanded by Christ to perform restitution return all your sinfully gained money or be anathema you won't
00:18:07
Jasmineheretic Jezebel do you want to respond to Giovani here um I you know when someone's willingly still trying to participate in something
00:18:17
Jasminethat you've told them what it is and they know exactly what it is and they're still offering you money at that point they're being a willing participant into it like that point what do you what do
00:18:30
Andrew Wilsonyou do uh well so let me give a let me give a slight response here because I think that this is kind of silly let us assume
00:18:38
Andrew Wilsonfor a second that I um were in in some way taking advantage of a woman where this woman had a lot of cash okay and I
00:18:50
Andrew Wilsonwas uh telling her consistently that I wanted to be with her I had even told her that I would marry her and I was taking advantage of her over over the span of multiple years if that woman
00:19:02
Andrew Wilsonbecame highly attached to me of course she would become highly attached to me right I had essentially been playing into this delusion for the point of of monetary gain that's what I had been
00:19:13
Andrew Wilsondoing right so the attachment would not ordinarily be there if I had said no but instead I had played into it for the purposes of basically monetary gain that
00:19:25
Andrew Wilsonis not the same as a person willingly participating in that is a person being strung along and a person being essentially lied to well there was like I said many
00:19:37
Jasmineinstances where I told him what it was and he even like kind of figured it out a lot of the times like what it was he just played dumb to it to continue like
00:19:49
Andrew Wilsonthe relationship whatever it was he at some point well yeah he had formed an attachment right so he had formed an attachment with you because you had told him that you wanted to marry him right so he formed this attachment with you
00:20:02
Andrew Wilsonand he was doing everything he could to reconcile a relationship with his fiance like of course of course that's what he would do like wouldn't doesn't that make
00:20:13
Andrew Wilsonsense I mean I yeah I guess I I totally understand where you're coming from and it's not wrong what you're saying but I mean at the end of day well then I still then I don't understand how you're not you you're 100% responsible for this
00:20:25
Jasminesituation you made it yourself I was I totally played a part in it I mean I played a huge role in in that I lied about a lot of stuff to him but at the
00:20:36
Jasminesame time it's like the times that I did come clean to him and I was like look I don't want to do this anymore he had you know and I told him straight up what it was I'm like I don't want yeah but you're still you're still using this
00:20:47
Andrew Wilsoncaveat where after I had started to come clean to him about the fact that these were mostly lies that I told him this type of thing at that point the man had an attachment he had an attachment which
00:20:59
Andrew Wilsonhad formed around you based around your lives and so of course he had this attachment never would have existed though absent your lives he's still being victimized even even if he's
00:21:10
Andrew Wilsontrying to reconcile the relationship he's still being victimized by even trying to reconcile it CU he has an attachment which would not be there if not for your
00:21:21
Jasminelies well I he you know had multiple other women that he was like giving money to so I don't see it completely as like I was he has a problem he deals
00:21:33
Andrew Wilsonwith like it's really weird that suddenly over women in that way okay well suddenly it's really weird he didn't mention anything about other women that he was sending money to I said he was talking to someone in
00:21:44
Andrew WilsonColumbia that I found out about okay well the thing is is I I think that if if you string a person along and you they become attached to you based around
00:21:55
Andrew Wilsona set of lies that even if they want to stay with you after they they figure out that these are lies in many ways are still being victimized wouldn't you agree yeah yeah I agree with that so I I
00:22:08
Andrew Wilsonjust I don't see how the accountability here really just isn't on your shoulders to be honest with you um I think that
00:22:17
Jasmineare you a Christian do you yeah well I think what denomination are you by the way are you non- denominational well I honestly don't know what like denomination are I
00:22:29
SPEAKER_00just know I have a really relationship with epin donated $69 stop justifying your lies you took advantage of the man you owe him the
00:22:40
Jasminedollar back and the IRS should def look into this did you did you get baptized um at the St Baptist by chance no I got no I don't know what a den nomination my
00:22:51
Andrew Wilsonchurch is I just know it's like a Christian Church what's it called well yeah okay don't tell me what it's called I guess never I don't want you to dox yourself I'm just sometimes just by the
00:23:01
Andrew Wilsonname of the church I can figure out the denominations why I ask so uh in in any case I guess regardless of your denomination yes I'm a Christian I'm not exactly sure what where you're going
00:23:13
Jasminewith that so my question was like so you know that obviously this world is not made perfectly in God's image and you know that we are tempted daily and we
00:23:25
Jasmineeven the best Christians we all sin even if it's not like a as bad a sin as I was living in but we all do I'm sure you've sinned like at least three times this past week and it's not something that
00:23:36
Jasmineyou feel that you why S three times today exactly that's what I'm saying so what's but I don't understand what the point is here okay let me get to the point please okay so my thing is is that
00:23:48
Jasmineyes what I was doing was wrong and I was not fully I had not fully came to Christ and tried to live my life by him yet um I was still very much living for the
00:23:58
Jasmineworld I was still very much living by this like societal image of like I didn't like being called a city girl but obviously that lifestyle of like take it
00:24:08
Jasminespend it I want to look like live this li like luxury lifestyle that it's all over social media like I was 23 24 at the time and I was trying to just you know live my best life I wasn't living
00:24:22
Andrew Wilsonwith Christ yes but do you do you understand that the point of Christianity is the Salvation of Jesus Christ due to his sacrifice for your sins yeah and that it's through Jesus Christ from which you
00:24:34
Andrew Wilsonare saved your sins can be washed away but the material stain that you leave behind on the world you're still responsible for the things that you have done Christianity is not a a form of of
00:24:46
Andrew Wilsonuh Salvation which then states that all wrongs that you've done now are also washed away in this material world the non metaphysical world right you have
00:24:57
Andrew Wilsonwrong this person horribly that's why the the chat is asking how you plan to compensate for that just saying that you have been saved right is I I don't understand how that somehow alleviates
00:25:10
Jasminethe burden of responsibility that you have well yeah I mean we're also talking about like a two long a twoyear long relationship I had with this man like I totaled a car due to him so that was like $50,000 of my own money like it was
00:25:22
Jasminemy car that I bought before I met him gone um wait how's that his fault he was drunk driving my car oh he was driving the car yeah I thought you said you totaled it well I took Vault for it because I was I
00:25:35
Jasminejust wasn't going to make him get a DUI so you got the DUI no I didn't get a DUI but I wasn't drunk if do you like yeah so there's a lot of things um just yeah
00:25:47
JasmineInsurance didn't take care of it he hit parked cars okay so yeah no car gone um also got a car in his name and it like he Rebo it cuz he ended up not wanting to
00:26:00
Jasminepay for it anymore like there's a lot of things that I know that I got my karma if you want to say or just like the world gave me what I was owed in that relationship like I
00:26:11
SPEAKER_00don't sit here and think that completely karma is a non-Christian value just so you know I know I'm just saying for like people that see it that way Ulus sees the Pagan donated
00:26:23
SPEAKER_00$200 if this was gender reversed the male would be vilified when it's the woman that does the victimization it's still the man's fault for being a sap hey Pagan man really appreciate it um let's we're going to
00:26:36
Brian Atlashave to get the other people's intros but we can perhaps come back to this in a little bit but um were're there I mean I'm assuming there were like other people that you scammed too like it
00:26:46
Jasminewasn't just one guy it was probably how many people do you think you scammed um honestly just him I had a sugar no I had a sugar daddy when I was 20 but he
00:26:57
Jasminejust took me sh Shing and he was like more of a rich friend he didn't expect anything out of the like friendship but then there were the guys at the club you were scamming them yeah but they I feel
00:27:09
Jasminelike you know if you're a man going into a club trying to have sex with the woman and you're willing to pay for it like at the time I just felt like that's kind of what they deserved do you think prostitution
00:27:20
Brian Atlasshould be legalized no why okay well I mean you have your own objections to to it but I
00:27:32
Brian Atlasmean whether they deserve it or not I mean so there's the there's a civil and criminal component of fraud so if you essentially agree I'll do X for but that's the thing is I never said I
00:27:46
Brian Atlasagreed I said we're going to have fun you'll have a great time that's the thing is like it's right but even you seem to acknowledge that this is a scam yeah like you said you said it's a scam so there's some component of you knowing
00:27:58
Brian Atlasthat that's their expectation and you're kind of like have you ever been to a strip club uh I went once when I was 18 19
00:28:10
Jasminesomething like that okay so just picture like the worst men that are going first of all I I assume you wouldn't have sex with the random girl that you met at a strip club No in fact I didn't even spend any money so you would have
00:28:20
Brian Atlas[ __ ] hated me I just went just my friends traed me they're like Brian come I was like eh have conversations once cuz it's like it
00:28:31
Jasminewas terrible no offense no I hate clubs Terri I can't even go like they almost kicked me out cuz I didn't spend any
00:28:39
Jasminemoney yeah they're like that um no but I just I don't feel like they really deserve to get like it's I just feel like what they were going in was to do
00:28:50
Andrew Wilsonsomething wrong and dirty and some somebody if somebody breaks into your house and they steal your illegal drugs you're still the victim of crime you realize
00:29:00
Andrew Wilsonthat okay but that's like you know why that would be it's because the interaction between the dealer and the person who bought the drugs was uh done
00:29:11
Andrew Wilsonuh via consent so the person who got the drugs consented to it then the person who sold the drugs consented to it though it's a crime it's not a crime of consent if you had those then illicit drugs at your home and a person broke in
00:29:24
Andrew Wilsonand stole them you could report those drugs stolen and they would still to jail for a crime and they should go to jail for a crime so just saying that these people were perhaps morally reprehensible does not mean that you
00:29:36
Andrew Wilsonhave license to then scam them it would still be criminal you can't defraud people just because uh you think that they're scumbags right again I was in a very different
00:29:47
Brian Atlasplace in my life at this time well anyways well we can come back to it if need be um guys the TTS has been boosted TTS is now up to 200 uh Ben we'll read
00:29:58
Brian Atlasyour $69 one that came through earlier uh once we get through all the intros so TTS is now 200 just
00:30:09
AsiaFYI uh name age location occupation hi my yes my name is Asia I am 52 years old I live in Los Angeles and I am one of the hosts of the glowup girls podcast
00:30:21
Brian Atlasand I'm also in the beauty industry that's my day job all right uh did you go to university or college or anything like that in Texas yes University of Texas what did you study Communications
00:30:31
Brian AtlasBachelor Masters Bachelors okay and you've uh before getting into the beauty industry were you doing other kind of work or I was an actress okay and what
00:30:42
Asiado you do in the beauty industry I am a regional trainer for um a big Corporation but like hair makeup um skin skin all yeah it all the last 10 years
00:30:53
Brian AtlasI've been dealing with everything in the skin industry or skincare oh wait there's a what was the one the 69 that just came through I feel like I ought to read it just for all right hold on dude it came through right at the end there
00:31:06
Serenauh why don't you introduce yourself go ahead hello um my name is Serena I'm 21 years old from montere Park and I am a manager at Top Golf all right do you do content at all
00:31:18
Christyor no no content at all okay all right what about you hi I'm Christy I live in Chino Hills California I'm a licens esthetician and I specialize and
00:31:28
Christysugaring hair removal I'm also on the podcast with Asia doing the glob girls
00:31:34
Christyand uh age 53 all right welcome uh you any university school I went to Pasadena City College got my
00:31:46
Lexiassociates there and then went to the trade school to learn esthetician mhm are you in school at all I am in school yes uh what are you studying um right now I'm studying business administration okay what about you hi I'm Lexi I'm
00:31:58
LexiI live in Santa Barbara and I'm a student right now at the city college or yeah City what are you studying Justice studies Justice studies what's that I'm not really sure but I want to be a lawyer
00:32:11
Brian Atlasand I feel like it's good background for when I transfer got it and uh you're are you from Santa Barbara originally I grew up in Carpenteria then I moved to calabases okay got it so you're going
00:32:21
Brian Atlasinto your first year yes okay so you haven't taken any classes yet so no justice is that like social justice or is that um like yeah it's like social and criminal I'm studying criminal uh
00:32:34
Claudiafirst semester okay I see all right what about you uh my name's Claudia but my friends call me Cece I'm 20 um I won't be 21
00:32:43
Claudiasoon though like in like 12 days and then um I'm a pharmacy specialist Tech okay welcome back welcome back um I'm
00:32:52
MorganMorgan I'm 18 I go to the city college studying political science all right I'm Maddie I'm 19 I work on the podcast I'm
00:33:04
Andrew Wilsonalso a student at city college okay and then uh Andrew what about you my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it is to my knowledge the fastest growing debate
00:33:15
Andrew Wilsonchannel on the internet um well at least on YouTube I'm a political analyst of political saturnist and I occasionally enjoy engaging in debates from time to time all right welcome everybody I will read
00:33:28
Brian Atlasthe the 691 that came through kind of right there on the cusp it was from peacecraft peacecraft says I really want to know what these women think but before we do I'd really like to ask them
00:33:39
Brian Atlashow they would feel if they didn't have breakfast this morning quick answer from all so how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning I'd be exhausted right now I would be hungry I
00:33:51
SPEAKER_11didn't have breakfast but I feel great okay okay I would be totally grumpy probably really hungry I would be like mad cuz I like pizza um I would be hungry tired
00:34:03
Brian Atlashangry all right thank you peacecraft appreciate it I'm glad I was able to catch that there uh we're going to go around the table once more and then
00:34:11
Brian Atlaswe'll get to Ben's question um what's your current relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship
00:34:23
Brian Atlasmarried polycule sex cult herum whatever it may be if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead uh I'm in a relationship currently
00:34:34
Jasminewe've been together for a little over a year and plan to get um married next month and my longest relationship was like 7 years 7 years okay and you're 26
00:34:47
Brian Atlasright yeah and you've been in a new relationship for one year you said yeah a little over one year from what age to what age was your seven-year
00:34:55
Jasminerelationship uh it was like on and off the last 3 years of 15 to 22 and it was on and off again for like
00:35:06
Brian Atlasthe last 2 years how many times was it uh we would take like 6 months breaks how many times total was it off and on two times like a year off who would end things hm who would end things sorry what you said it was an on
00:35:19
Jasmineagain off again oh yeah we would just break up cuz we have a daughter so it we broke up yeah I have a child so we broke up for like 6 months and then we got back together for a year and then uh we
00:35:28
Jasminebroke up again and that was it okay uh and you had a child how long into the relationship um actually when we broke up when I was like 16 I got pregnant so
00:35:41
Brian Atlas2 years into the relationship or something like that oh you got pregnant at uh 16 mhm okay I see does he pay child support yeah okay just curious how much not anything oh he he doesn't
00:35:54
Jasminethat's why I danced cuz he barely pays anything I just got it raised to like like $70 it used to be $37 a month okay all right and um that's your
00:36:05
Andrew Wilsononly kid yeah okay do you want more kids or yes okay but uh but but hang on just to just to ask um with such a low number
00:36:15
Andrew Wilsondoes he have joint physical and legal custody then uh yeah unfortunately he yeah so he gets so hang on so he gets the kid every other week or weekend or something like that yeah some it's like
00:36:26
Jasminea weird joint um it's like a weird SPL it's like a 525 yeah so I mean why should he pay child support that's right like why why should he I pay for insurance I pay for all her
00:36:38
Jasminedental care that comes out of pocket I pay for all of her school clothing her school like I pay for everything he he literally at this point is living in a one-bedroom with my daughter and his
00:36:49
Jasminegirlfriend but does he have does he have uh half half the custody though yeah and I does he have her half the time is my question uh currently yeah but he can't yeah so I mean if he has her half the
00:37:01
Andrew Wilsontime why why would he need to pay you support just just you know like that's that isn't isn't that absurd to make the request that if the father has the kid half of the time they're already taking
00:37:12
Jasminecare of of uh of half of the child's rearing right most of like I said I pay for most of her clothes most of everything even when she's at his house
00:37:21
Jasminewait is it 50/50 custody yeah but the time the time share is not 50/50 it is it is it's 50/50 time but what I'm saying is like I pay for a majority of
00:37:32
Jasmineher healthcare everything like that like it's not it shouldn't he should have less time is what I'm saying wait is it uh it's and it's gone through the court system yeah so it was uh yeah like four
00:37:45
Jasmineyears ago 3 years ago when we broke up who brought it to court you were I did you did and you were um cuz he wasn't seeing her at the time he wasn't spending any time with her I see okay
00:37:54
Jasmineand then uh you said unfortunately he gets 50% yeah why is why is that unfortunate don't you uh no I would love for him to spend time with her but I
00:38:05
Jasmineit's unfortunate because it's not like used productively and he's just not I don't feel like taking care of her as best as he could mhm so it's a damn good
00:38:17
Andrew Wilsonthing that you that uh women in this situation don't get make that adjudication because um from the perspective of many women they're always going to think that they're the better caretaker than the man we have no
00:38:30
Andrew Wilsondemonstration of evidence to the contrary and there's no way for us to have any demonstration of the contrary but if he has 50% custody then I think that whatever argument that you have for needing child support goes out the window
00:38:40
Jasmineanyway well I just feel like the court system pies a single father sometimes um especially when they should pale and
00:38:49
SPEAKER_00well met L paladins donated $200 and2 remember fellas 50 to 50 and it doesn't matter matter how broke you are
00:38:58
SPEAKER_00she will keep coming after your last $37 a month she is all women and she will blame you for it in public yo L paladins thank you man there's another one coming in right now so I'll just preempt it
00:39:10
Brian Atlasgood to see you in the chat La paladins thank you for the TTS man 50/50 and doesn't matter how broke have you ever paid him child support yeah uh they
00:39:19
SPEAKER_00tried Hillary Epstein donated $200 US court system sucks divorced dad
00:39:27
SPEAKER_0050/50 custody 223 schedule $1,750 a month and truly 5050 are you in California ridiculous Hillary where
00:39:36
Jasminewhere are you at California's pretty bad um sorry to hear that man um you he was you were going to have to pay him child support yeah he had requested it at one point for me to pay child support he had
00:39:48
Jasminelike gone to welfare and asked for all this help cuz he just didn't want to get a job yeah because if he doesn't have a job they can't take money from him and was he awarded child no cuz I had
00:40:01
Jasmineproof he was working under the table as a security guard well but like weren't you making all this money too um this was at a time where I wasn't
00:40:11
Brian Atlaslike I wasn't dancing as much or doing I didn't this was way before that I mean you said this guy gave you like you dated him for two years right yeah it was before the situation before the kid
00:40:23
Jasmineno before the um like I guess sugar daddy or whatever you want to call him Fake Fiance The Fake Fiance was that was after after what after we had gone to court and everything oh okay like after
00:40:35
Brian Atlashe tried to take me to court to get him to pay to get me to pay him but I mean were you cuz I mean there's assessments when it comes to child support were you reporting to the court this dancing
00:40:46
Jasminemoney yeah in the state of California the the money this guy was giving you oh yeah I I have I mean apple apple cash like reports what you make if you guys are 50/50 why aren't you paying him child support if it sounds like you
00:41:00
Jasminewould have been out earning him you said you made $250,000 over the course of 2 years mhm I mean that's just like an estimate cuz that's also including like what he spent
00:41:11
Brian Atlason shopping and my me getting my boobs done and all of that sure but you said you would like send through you'd get his phone you'd send
00:41:22
Jasmineyourself like $5,000 in total out of everything cuz like just my breast were like $50,000 is that the cost of titties I went to like a really well-known doctor in Beverly Hills which okay yeah
00:41:34
Jasmineso I mean it doesn't it was like allog together like close to 250 okay all right well she also said that he knew she was taking the money yeah like he thank you he knew it's not like he didn't know like he would see
00:41:47
Jasminelike oh I sent you $2,000 like okay what did you send that for and I'd be like oh I need to pay this he's like okay well you know I'm not going to give you money like next week or something and then well yeah cuz
00:41:58
Asiayou were supposed to be his future wife so he's taking care of you okay but if we really go based off of that he was also talking to other women so it's like and I would like to add do you not think
00:42:10
Asiaa 52y old man knows what's happening with a 22y old girl he knows what he's paying for but he wasn't getting anything wait wait wait hang on a second
00:42:20
Andrew Wilsonjust get this right if the burden of evidence was that this gentleman had not hang on if the burden
00:42:28
SPEAKER_00of L paladins donated $200 and2 seriously Brian you think she reported the 250k in cash to the IRS the
00:42:40
Andrew Wilsonmen aren't the only people she scams the government is a victim too all right and I can see the The Sisterhood of accountability is uh driving right in here right sister Hood can't take
00:42:51
Andrew Wilsonaccountability it's uh it's against their nature so but but to dive in can can you explain to me how this man was not victimized by this woman can you
00:43:00
Asiaexplain that to me I'm not saying I talk I think you're being really dramatic by using the word victimize because he does he did know she was taking the money and
00:43:12
Andrew Wilsonhe was willing he was willing was was she taking money pretenses I don't know I don't know the sit I don't know him what I'm saying is I'm she she literally said he was taking she was taking money
00:43:24
Jasmineunder false pretenses and called it a scam I think she was talking I think she was talking about scam would it be fair if I was having sex with him yeah no I would
00:43:35
Andrew Wilsoncare still but can you can you explain to me real quick if can you let us finish our conversation what do you think scam means what do you think that means do you think that means I'm being very truthful about my intentions or do
00:43:48
Asiayou think it means something else no you're not being truthful yeah you're not being truthful so Wa Would you call that false pretenses I guess so but what I'm saying
00:43:58
Asiais I think that there are segments of men that understand that what they are paying for and that this is the situation that because they are paying
00:44:09
Andrew Wilsonfor attention how do you somehow manage manage to do the mental gymnastics necessary after she tells the entire story explains it herself as a scam say
00:44:21
Andrew Wilsonshe took this money under false pretenses to still somehow try to justify it as her being the victim I'm not saying she's the victim because you started this by saying this you started this entire
00:44:33
Asiaengagement by saying he knew exactly what he was doing cuz he's 53 years old implying that she's actually being victimized here I didn't exactly say that what I said is do you not think that he doesn't he may not know that or
00:44:45
Asiahe may not understand that that's what he was paying for but what I'm saying is there are segments of men that do pay for attention
00:44:57
Asiayes from younger women older men pay for attention from younger women do you do you agree that there are segments of men who eat watermelon do you agree with that
00:45:07
Andrew Wilsonstatement yeah okay great what the [ __ ] does that have to do with scamming a man what what is saying there segments of men who do X have anything to do with the current conversation that we're
00:45:18
Asiahaving she's talking about scamming her clients at the strip club she did say she was scamming she had a fake fiance
00:45:27
Asiaso her pretense was to not marry the man but what I'm saying is let's consider maybe he knew what he was paying for as well that's all I'm
00:45:38
Andrew Wilsonsaying well okay it's it's really funny though he knew why is it that this needs to be looked at in the best light from the interest of the woman instead of in the interest from the man that's my
00:45:51
Andrew Wilsonquestion to you why should we instantly look at this as some sort of well he's 53 I'm sure he I'm sure he didn't uh you know he he knew he knew exactly what's going on why should we assume that why should we assume that a person who then
00:46:04
Andrew Wilsonwho makes the claim that they knew it was done under false pretenses this amount of money so what do you think his incentive was to do that although I this
00:46:12
Asiais maybe anodal but I am 52 and I speak to a lot of 52 plus year old men that do tell me that they date younger women pay for their bills because that's they feel
00:46:24
Asialike that's the right of passage because after they get divorced they want to go and feel like their e they want their ego stroked and they want to be with a young girl oh well let me give you some
00:46:37
Andrew Wilsonanecdotes back having talked now to hundreds upon hundreds of women on this podcast let me explain that there are many women who are in their early 20s who constantly seek out older men specifically for the purposes of
00:46:49
Andrew Wilsoncapturing their resources and they're in complete control they are in total control and they often do it under false pretenses and then when they're called out on the false pretenses for which
00:47:00
Andrew Wilsonthey have done this Under The Sisterhood all gets together and makes excuses for her why do you think that is why does The Sisterhood all get together to make excuses for scam artist women can you explain that to me I'd actually like to
00:47:11
Asiaknow the answer to that I'm speaking for myself and I'm speaking speak to you about I know and I'm speaking I'm not you know what I am
00:47:23
Asiadefending her a little bit because you are coming down really hard on her and we're not taking in consideration that
00:47:31
Brian Atlasthe man and there are men that understand what they're paying for ah but if I may jump in if I may jump in here a little little bit so let's just
00:47:42
Brian Atlasgrant that everything that was given willingly was uh copacetic although she she does seem to uh concede that there there was a component of misrepresentation as to her interest in him because fake husband
00:47:56
Brian Atlaswhatever uh but even setting all that aside she admitted that she would go on his phone while she while he was drunk and without
00:48:06
Brian Atlashis permission without his consent send his money like to her in what Universe are you prepared to actually defend that specific action
00:48:17
SPEAKER_00well she said he she told him she she so if a woman get she told him and he said God [ __ ] Roth thund PSA donated $200
00:48:27
SPEAKER_00hello Brian Andrew and the panel Andrew not in studio safe from the lint roller hope the show is going good please don't scam people you Jackal defending bad
00:48:39
Brian Atlasbehavior is bad all right wrath PSA thank you man appreciate it uh sorry I was thank you wrath um so let me ask you a question If a woman is being victimized in some way I'll let your
00:48:50
Brian Atlasimagination run wild but she knows that she's being victimized does that change the degree to which she's being victim imized wow
00:49:01
Brian Atlasthat's uh that went over my head a little bit so oh I'm going to use a very extreme example here a woman is in the I can't believe I'm going to bring it here
00:49:11
Brian Atlasa woman's being essayed but she knows she's being essayed so it's okay essayed uh oh oh oh okay she's being Ed got it yeah she knows she's being
00:49:23
Brian Atlasessayed does that make it okay no no M so in this situation where this man is essentially I don't know if it's a wire fraud if it's uh what kind
00:49:34
Brian Atlasof theft exactly the legal term for what's going on she's going on his phone without his permission it's Theft Grand Theft this is felony level money that's being moved around
00:49:48
SPEAKER_00here grid One Motorsports donated $200 And1 as a 53 male you disgust me a scam is a scam is a scam and you forking know
00:49:59
SPEAKER_00it the fact you charlatans defend this sort of actions is what sets women as a whole back in all men's eyes be
00:50:08
Brian Atlasbetter all right grid one thank you man appreciate it so again like he she claims we don't know his story she claims he was aware of this but then if
00:50:20
Brian Atlashe was aware of this why why would she need to secretly do this couldn't you just have asked for money instead of having to secretly go on his phone and just like send because he wasn't getting sex like he would sometimes be more
00:50:32
Jasminegreedy obviously wait I don't see how that's relevant at all well because he I would ask for the money and he'd be like oh well like you know you don't even want to like kiss me you don't even want to like make out with me so like I don't
00:50:44
JasmineI don't know like I already sent you like this or that and then the next day if he he would see the transactions he wouldn't like ever get mad about it or like ask me like why did you do that
00:50:55
Jasminehe'd be like oh okay that's fine like you know if you're going to yeah you did ask me for the money I didn't want to give it to you like here you already have it this seems a bit dubious but in any case you did seem to again this man
00:51:08
Andrew Wilsonwell this is a post talk justification so he said no and then he took it anyway and then after you took it he's like well okay after he's like it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission this is like a man that was like I said he
00:51:21
Jasminewas spending money to like other women in other countries he was the type of guy that flies to Columbia to just get some puss how does that I don't understand let's say for a second he was a serial killer that's what he did on the side and you
00:51:33
Jasminediscovered this how would him being a serial killer justify your actions okay say I wasn't mean I was an innocent bystanding or a innocent girl that actually wanted to be in a relationship
00:51:45
Jasminewith him and he's going off of this pretense of like I want to be your husband I want to get married and he's having sex with her all the things but he's still talking to these other women in Colombia like if it wer going to that
00:51:58
Jasminewould WR that would be that would be wrong and was that of it was that okay you're going to either do all the like the extra stuff you do to someone else or I can just get like kind of you know
00:52:10
Andrew Wilsonwhat I need out of situation let me engage directly yes if you were an innocent bystander and you were looking to have some kind of great healthy relationship with this guy and you really were in love with him and you were doing everything right and he was
00:52:23
Andrew Wilsonoff gallivanting all over Columbia humping prostitutes then yes that would be completely and totally wrong and that exactly was not happening in this case was it yeah but you guys clearly do not
00:52:35
Andrew Wilsonunderstand like the caliber of man he was was not one of like honor he was clearly a dog ask a question like what this do for it just Mak make this is all
00:52:47
Andrew Wilsonthis is all justifying bad behavior right when does the Christian part come out when does the Christian part come out instead of the justification where does the responsibility portion come out oh I've taken my responsibility of this
00:52:58
Jasminealready with him like all you're doing is making justifications for how horrible he was and that he deserved it he actually I am making I'm making justifications for how I was acting at that time but like that is not currently
00:53:11
Jasmineme and that is not currently how I believe anyone should be behave or act or do that to like I feel wrong for what I did I'm not saying I don't just because I'm trying to have you understand where I was and what I was
00:53:24
Jasminedoing like yeah at that time I didn't see it was wrong I didn't care I didn't care about him I cared about surviving I was selfish I was living for myself I've already said that like yeah I did not give a [ __ ] about him or how he felt
00:53:36
Andrew Wilsonlike I didn't I Justified it in my head responsibility who who was responsible for this yeah I did take advantage of him but at the same time so you were responsible there's no at the same time
00:53:46
Andrew Wilsonjust you were responsible your actions you were responsible without you none of this would have happened right sure yeah okay
00:53:57
Asiaso going back to you um I'm just a little confused he knew but I you're trying to make it sound like I need to say that it was his fault I'm not saying it's his
00:54:10
Asiafault I'm saying let's consider maybe he knew what the situation was that's all I'm saying we see it all the time you talk
00:54:21
Asiayou have all your podcast guests come on and talk about it all the time men there are a lot of men out there that pay for attention from young girls or any woman any attractive woman or
00:54:33
Brian Atlasanyone that will even pay attention to them is all I'm saying well yes they do it but there's two components here there's the component of she's leading them on with absolutely zero intention of any any romantic or sexual attention
00:54:45
Brian Atlasbeing received by him at any point um and then there's the component of there's again even if granting all the Willing money that he sent her is cop
00:54:56
Brian Atlasatic totally fine there's still the component of she went on his phone and was like sending herself money from his phone but he was fine with that but I
00:55:08
Asiathat's what I'm going based off of her saying I would tell him he said that's fine well I'm going B like if it would be a real problem he probably would have already like tried to take me to court
00:55:20
Brian Atlasor you know press charges or something well I have to push back on this because uh how many women stay with a abusive men just because the women stay with abusive men does not justify the abuse
00:55:32
Brian Atlasthat the woman is going through well she I mean she stayed with him so she didn't go to court or anything or didn't go to the police but he was smacking her around so I mean she was okay with it I
00:55:44
Asiaget does that make sense of course it doesn't make sense so where he's going to is um because you're saying oh he was a dirt bag he deserved it right the guys
00:55:57
Asiain the strip club are gross they deserve it I'm not saying the guy deserved it I'm only saying let's open up the possibility that he understood what he
00:56:08
Andrew Wilsonwas paying for and what was going on but then why because it happened all the time okay listen I I agree with you okay so let me let me give you a little bit of um of like an olive branch here I
00:56:20
Andrew Wilsonagree with you that there are men who exist in this world who in that situation would have known that that was going on you have zero evidence that that was the case Zero none zil and hang
00:56:31
Andrew Wilsonon because you have zero evidence that that was the case you should not leap to that assumption what it looks like is you're deflecting on behalf of somebody else in order to protect somebody else based on zero evidence whatsoever that
00:56:43
Jasminethat is the case when all the evidence we've heard tonight is to the contrary I feel like he is someone that is used to spending money on women to have sex and to get what he wants out of
00:56:54
Jasminethem and the fact he knew I was abstinent at the time um I feel like the whole oh let me marry you like proposing to me was just a gist thinking it would