WALK OFF?! SUPER Woke Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson! She Has A Pet HUMAN?! LA GIRLS! | Dating Talk #214
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
Key Moments
“"I have a pet... like a guy that acts like my dog... he sleeps on my floor on the dog bed... he just does whatever I ask."”
“"Always acting like this the last time, but you always change my mind, just one last time, go through it all again, don't want this to end..."”
“"He cut my hair yeah... he gave me like a little mullet... he gave me like the top layer of my hair just like jagged it up."”
“"I used to be a porn star okay... about 5 years ago... I've been in every industry you can think of."”
“"I am queer as fuck so... I mean I wanted to be with women... we agreed that it was fine so..."”
“"You have a duty you have a responsibility... you're not a victim here, you're the victimizer... what you're doing is horrific and psychotic."”
“Catalina crying: "You're making it seem worse than it actually is... I can change and I can grow."”
“Deborah: "I called you a griper because the majority of reason why far-right men do not want women to vote is because women tend to vote liberal." Andrew: "So you're a covert feminist."”
“"I say never go with your girl first off... if it never go out in any sort of environment where there's alcohol with your girl... the amount of men I've seen get sparked up in a fight..."”
“"I literally like measured it cuz I was like is this your footprint or is this a female's footprint."”
“Deborah: "Andrew can you shut up for 30 seconds let me talk..." Andrew: "That's another form of validation... you're a covert feminist."”
“"Sorry guys I have to leave... I have a 2-hour plus drive back to LA alone in the dark... it was great being on with you Brian, Andrew, everybody."”
“Deborah: "I can make a firm commitment to you that I am open to doing a debate with you." Brian: "We can arrange for that."”
“Catalina: "[n-word] you're mad" Gina: "I hope y'all heard what she said... it's called freedom of speech welcome to America." Gina retaliates with insults about Catalina's looks. Others intervene to prevent physical fight.”
Topics Discussed
Brian introduces show, plugs social media/streamlabs/merch/BLM nonprofit. Guests introduce themselves one by one: Cali (fire performer, divorced/poly), Bridget (student, 5yr relationship), Amelia Davis (model/jeweler/nursing student), Gina Prada (trainer), Emily (singer-songwriter/bud tender), Catalina (events/porn producer/ex-porn star), Tanya (ESL teacher), Deborah Laeia (political commentator), Andrew Wilson (The Crucible). Brian mentions World of Warcraft guild plans.
Full round of relationship statuses. Cali: divorcing after 5yr poly marriage, has daughter. Bridget: 5yr relationship (only one). Amelia: single 2 months after 6yr abusive relationship (ex cut her hair while she slept). Gina: 4yr relationship. Emily: single 4 months after breakup due to her trust issues/jealousy. Catalina: single ~1yr, has "pet" man sleeping on dog bed. Tanya: 6-month relationship, prior 9yr abusive relationship with sick ex. Deborah: single 6 months, looking for Jewish husband.
Discussion of how many DMs women receive per day (5-50 range). Brian argues women have enormous sexual optionality vs men. Discussion of going to bars/clubs while in relationships — men vs women's perspective. Brian advises men never to take girlfriends to clubs. Emily explains club promoting for pay. Gina shares positive experiences at clubs with boyfriend. Debate on whether women's club-going is risky for relationships.
Catalina reveals she has a 30yo man living in her home who sleeps on a dog bed at his own request, acts as coat rack, does chores — she pays all his bills. Andrew Wilson strongly confronts her about exploitation of a potentially mentally ill person, calling it "psychotic and horrific." Catalina cries. Deborah raises concerns about modeling bad relationships for her daughter. Brian moderates. Chat donations support Andrew's position. Discussion of whether consent negates exploitation.
Amelia describes 6-year relationship with controlling/abusive boyfriend: he cut her hair while she was blacked out drunk (gave her a mullet), saw old messages and got jealous/enraged on drugs+alcohol. His father is wealthy (construction company, yachts, plane). She dumped him twice. He flew a girl from Oregon to live with him during their break, then still tried to reconcile. She finally left in September 2024.
Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Amelia: 8. Bridget: 9. Cali: 7-8 (said 9-10 then corrected). Gina: 7-8. Emily: 7-8. Catalina: 5. Tanya: unclear. Deborah: 7.5-8. Andrew: 10 (confidence-based). Age advancement app used — women shown aged 70 years (they react with horror). Discussion of when women peak looks-wise (consensus: late 20s to mid-30s).
Extended running debate between Deborah (conservative political commentator) and Andrew Wilson. Topics: whether traditional conservatism requires opposing women's suffrage, whether Deborah is a "covert feminist," women's duty to society vs luxury lifestyle, men's responsibility vs authority, whether feminism caused societal decline. Deborah calls Andrew a "griper" for his rhetoric; Andrew calls her a "LARPing conservative." Brian mediates. Debate becomes heated. They agree to a 1-on-1 formal debate in February. Deborah leaves at ~5:32 due to late hour/long drive.
Brian asks about comfort with age gap relationships (30yo + 19yo). Amelia, Emily, Tanya disagree/find it icky. Cali indifferent (5yr gap fine). Andrew defends age gaps citing women's prime reproductive years 18-26. Brian shares he has dated older women (32yo/45yo when 31). Discussion of whether 19yo can consent; Cali jokes age of consent should be 26. Andrew and Brian debate "fresh vs spoiled" language. Discussion of men's attraction to youth as biological/evolutionary.
Emily reveals ex-boyfriend was a drug dealer/mule (cocaine then meth), started during their relationship. She was OK with it as long as he was safe. Found out he was cheating by checking his Spotify and Facebook, then measuring a suspicious footprint in his windshield. She watched him sleep to decide whether to confront him. Moved in together after 1 year. Brian and Andrew discuss the double standard of Emily going to bars while policing his Instagram following.
Questions from pre-show questionnaire: should women go 50/50 on first date (most disagree). Should men pay? (all say yes). Should women cook/clean? (mostly yes). Should women be submissive? (conditional yes). Brian argues asymmetry: women hold men to standards they don't hold themselves to. Deborah says chastity is a value not a trait. Discussion of broke women wanting billionaires as hypocrisy. Brian asks Deborah to commit to only dating men who make the same as her (she declines).
Extended debate on whether body count matters. Emily (BC=11) argues body count is none of partner's business. Andrew explains evolutionary biology of male disgust at promiscuity. Brian gives examples of why it matters (crazy ex probability, pair bonding). Emily argues men are insecure for caring. Gina says it does matter spiritually (sex is sacred). Discussion of whether "past doesn't matter" is consistent with other standards women hold. Double standard: high-body-count men wanting low-BC women — is it hypocritical? Brian's answer: no, not hypocritical.
Classic "would you rather run into a man or a bear in the forest" question. Results: Cali (bear→man when rephrased), Bridget (man), Amelia (man), Gina (bear→man when rephrased), Emily (bear), Catalina (bear), Tanya (man). Estimated % of men who would assault them: 30% (Amelia), 90%→5% (Cali after pushback), 20% (Emily), 15% (Deborah). Brian rephrases as "random spawn" scenario — several change to man. Discussion of 10 men vs 10 bears. For daughters: most still say bear.
Near-walkout confrontation between Gina Prada and Catalina. Gina (SPEAKER_02/03) and Catalina (SPEAKER_06) escalate a dispute about Catalina's behavior on the show. Catalina calls Gina a racial slur ("black [n-word]") multiple times. Gina retaliates with body-shaming and insults about Catalina's "pet." Physical confrontation narrowly avoided (others intervene). Brian tells both to shut up. After standoff, both apologize and make up. Catalina says there is nothing wrong with using the slur as "freedom of speech."
Brian runs the female delusion calculator for Emily (0.15% probability — age 22-32, Black/Hispanic, 5'10"+, exclude obese, $60K+) and Amelia (1.5% — age 22-35, White, 5'10"+, exclude obese, $100K+). Final questionnaire topics: women not oppressed currently (some disagreement), women drafted (most disagree), age gap (discussed earlier), women equal rights (brief). Brian's closing: runs $300K/year in expenses, thanks viewers. Raid on Twitch before wrap.
Final roast session via $20 TTS donations. Chat roasts Cali for refusing to define "woman," Catalina for pet man and crying, Gina for being in bathroom, Amelia for dating down, Tanya for quiet demeanor. Chat also gives compliments to Emily/others. Brian wraps the show with twitch raid and thanks.