WALK OFF?! SUPER Woke Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson! She Has A Pet HUMAN?! LA GIRLS! | Dating Talk #214
Date: 2024-11-20
Duration: 7h 42m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_02Gina Prada(guest)
SPEAKER_03Gina Prada(guest)
SPEAKER_04Amelia Davis(guest)
SPEAKER_05Deborah Laeia(guest)
SPEAKER_06Catalina(guest)
SPEAKER_07TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Emily(guest)
SPEAKER_12Tanya(guest)
SPEAKER_13Cali(guest)
SPEAKER_14Bridget(guest)
Key Moments
00:01:24
QuoteCatalina reveals she has a "pet" human: a man who sleeps on her dog bed, acts as coat rack, and she pays all his bills
“"I have a pet... like a guy that acts like my dog... he sleeps on my floor on the dog bed... he just does whatever I ask."”
00:08:16
QuoteEmily performs an original song live on the show
“"Always acting like this the last time, but you always change my mind, just one last time, go through it all again, don't want this to end..."”
00:25:07
QuoteAmelia reveals her ex-boyfriend cut her hair while she was blacked out drunk
“"He cut my hair yeah... he gave me like a little mullet... he gave me like the top layer of my hair just like jagged it up."”
01:00:00
QuoteCatalina explains she used to be a porn star and now produces films
“"I used to be a porn star okay... about 5 years ago... I've been in every industry you can think of."”
01:00:06
QuoteCali explains she opened her marriage after one year due to being queer and previously polyamorous
“"I am queer as fuck so... I mean I wanted to be with women... we agreed that it was fine so..."”
01:23:02
ControversyAndrew Wilson strongly confronts Catalina about exploiting a mentally ill man — she cries
“"You have a duty you have a responsibility... you're not a victim here, you're the victimizer... what you're doing is horrific and psychotic."”
01:30:50
OtherCatalina breaks down crying after Andrew's confrontation about her pet arrangement
“Catalina crying: "You're making it seem worse than it actually is... I can change and I can grow."”
03:19:40
ControversyDeborah and Andrew Wilson have heated debate about feminism and patriarchy — she calls him a "griper"
“Deborah: "I called you a griper because the majority of reason why far-right men do not want women to vote is because women tend to vote liberal." Andrew: "So you're a covert feminist."”
04:00:00
QuoteBrian tells men never to take their girlfriend to clubs or bars
“"I say never go with your girl first off... if it never go out in any sort of environment where there's alcohol with your girl... the amount of men I've seen get sparked up in a fight..."”
04:04:00
QuoteEmily reveals she measured a footprint in her boyfriend's windshield to determine if it was a woman's foot (jealous FBI behavior)
“"I literally like measured it cuz I was like is this your footprint or is this a female's footprint."”
05:18:40
ControversyDeborah asks Andrew to "shut up for 30 seconds" — Andrew says she's showing her true nature as an "entitled LARPing conservative"
“Deborah: "Andrew can you shut up for 30 seconds let me talk..." Andrew: "That's another form of validation... you're a covert feminist."”
05:22:20
OtherDeborah Laeia leaves the podcast mid-show to drive back to LA alone
“"Sorry guys I have to leave... I have a 2-hour plus drive back to LA alone in the dark... it was great being on with you Brian, Andrew, everybody."”
05:24:20
QuoteDeborah and Andrew agree to a 1-on-1 formal debate
“Deborah: "I can make a firm commitment to you that I am open to doing a debate with you." Brian: "We can arrange for that."”
06:13:05
ControversyGina Prada and Catalina erupt in racial-slur catfight — near physical altercation
“Catalina: "[n-word] you're mad" Gina: "I hope y'all heard what she said... it's called freedom of speech welcome to America." Gina retaliates with insults about Catalina's looks. Others intervene to prevent physical fight.”
Topics Discussed
00:00:08
Introductions & Show Announcements
Brian introduces show, plugs social media/streamlabs/merch/BLM nonprofit. Guests introduce themselves one by one: Cali (fire performer, divorced/poly), Bridget (student, 5yr relationship), Amelia Davis (model/jeweler/nursing student), Gina Prada (trainer), Emily (singer-songwriter/bud tender), Catalina (events/porn producer/ex-porn star), Tanya (ESL teacher), Deborah Laeia (political commentator), Andrew Wilson (The Crucible). Brian mentions World of Warcraft guild plans.
00:15:00
Relationship Status Round
Full round of relationship statuses. Cali: divorcing after 5yr poly marriage, has daughter. Bridget: 5yr relationship (only one). Amelia: single 2 months after 6yr abusive relationship (ex cut her hair while she slept). Gina: 4yr relationship. Emily: single 4 months after breakup due to her trust issues/jealousy. Catalina: single ~1yr, has "pet" man sleeping on dog bed. Tanya: 6-month relationship, prior 9yr abusive relationship with sick ex. Deborah: single 6 months, looking for Jewish husband.
00:20:00
DMs, Club Culture & Relationship Boundaries
Discussion of how many DMs women receive per day (5-50 range). Brian argues women have enormous sexual optionality vs men. Discussion of going to bars/clubs while in relationships — men vs women's perspective. Brian advises men never to take girlfriends to clubs. Emily explains club promoting for pay. Gina shares positive experiences at clubs with boyfriend. Debate on whether women's club-going is risky for relationships.
00:23:00
Catalina's "Pet Human" — BDSM/Findom Controversy
Catalina reveals she has a 30yo man living in her home who sleeps on a dog bed at his own request, acts as coat rack, does chores — she pays all his bills. Andrew Wilson strongly confronts her about exploitation of a potentially mentally ill person, calling it "psychotic and horrific." Catalina cries. Deborah raises concerns about modeling bad relationships for her daughter. Brian moderates. Chat donations support Andrew's position. Discussion of whether consent negates exploitation.
00:25:10
Amelia's Abusive Ex & Hair Cutting Incident
Amelia describes 6-year relationship with controlling/abusive boyfriend: he cut her hair while she was blacked out drunk (gave her a mullet), saw old messages and got jealous/enraged on drugs+alcohol. His father is wealthy (construction company, yachts, plane). She dumped him twice. He flew a girl from Oregon to live with him during their break, then still tried to reconcile. She finally left in September 2024.
00:41:20
Self-Ratings Round
Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Amelia: 8. Bridget: 9. Cali: 7-8 (said 9-10 then corrected). Gina: 7-8. Emily: 7-8. Catalina: 5. Tanya: unclear. Deborah: 7.5-8. Andrew: 10 (confidence-based). Age advancement app used — women shown aged 70 years (they react with horror). Discussion of when women peak looks-wise (consensus: late 20s to mid-30s).
00:46:40
Deborah Laeia vs Andrew Wilson: Feminism, Patriarchy & Women's Suffrage
Extended running debate between Deborah (conservative political commentator) and Andrew Wilson. Topics: whether traditional conservatism requires opposing women's suffrage, whether Deborah is a "covert feminist," women's duty to society vs luxury lifestyle, men's responsibility vs authority, whether feminism caused societal decline. Deborah calls Andrew a "griper" for his rhetoric; Andrew calls her a "LARPing conservative." Brian mediates. Debate becomes heated. They agree to a 1-on-1 formal debate in February. Deborah leaves at ~5:32 due to late hour/long drive.
01:29:40
Age Gap Relationships
Brian asks about comfort with age gap relationships (30yo + 19yo). Amelia, Emily, Tanya disagree/find it icky. Cali indifferent (5yr gap fine). Andrew defends age gaps citing women's prime reproductive years 18-26. Brian shares he has dated older women (32yo/45yo when 31). Discussion of whether 19yo can consent; Cali jokes age of consent should be 26. Andrew and Brian debate "fresh vs spoiled" language. Discussion of men's attraction to youth as biological/evolutionary.
01:36:00
Emily's Drug Dealer Boyfriend & Trust Issues
Emily reveals ex-boyfriend was a drug dealer/mule (cocaine then meth), started during their relationship. She was OK with it as long as he was safe. Found out he was cheating by checking his Spotify and Facebook, then measuring a suspicious footprint in his windshield. She watched him sleep to decide whether to confront him. Moved in together after 1 year. Brian and Andrew discuss the double standard of Emily going to bars while policing his Instagram following.
04:00:00
50/50 Dating & Gender Roles Debate
Questions from pre-show questionnaire: should women go 50/50 on first date (most disagree). Should men pay? (all say yes). Should women cook/clean? (mostly yes). Should women be submissive? (conditional yes). Brian argues asymmetry: women hold men to standards they don't hold themselves to. Deborah says chastity is a value not a trait. Discussion of broke women wanting billionaires as hypocrisy. Brian asks Deborah to commit to only dating men who make the same as her (she declines).
04:06:40
Body Count Discussion
Extended debate on whether body count matters. Emily (BC=11) argues body count is none of partner's business. Andrew explains evolutionary biology of male disgust at promiscuity. Brian gives examples of why it matters (crazy ex probability, pair bonding). Emily argues men are insecure for caring. Gina says it does matter spiritually (sex is sacred). Discussion of whether "past doesn't matter" is consistent with other standards women hold. Double standard: high-body-count men wanting low-BC women — is it hypocritical? Brian's answer: no, not hypocritical.
04:44:36
Man vs Bear Question
Classic "would you rather run into a man or a bear in the forest" question. Results: Cali (bear→man when rephrased), Bridget (man), Amelia (man), Gina (bear→man when rephrased), Emily (bear), Catalina (bear), Tanya (man). Estimated % of men who would assault them: 30% (Amelia), 90%→5% (Cali after pushback), 20% (Emily), 15% (Deborah). Brian rephrases as "random spawn" scenario — several change to man. Discussion of 10 men vs 10 bears. For daughters: most still say bear.
06:13:05
Gina vs Catalina Catfight
Near-walkout confrontation between Gina Prada and Catalina. Gina (SPEAKER_02/03) and Catalina (SPEAKER_06) escalate a dispute about Catalina's behavior on the show. Catalina calls Gina a racial slur ("black [n-word]") multiple times. Gina retaliates with body-shaming and insults about Catalina's "pet." Physical confrontation narrowly avoided (others intervene). Brian tells both to shut up. After standoff, both apologize and make up. Catalina says there is nothing wrong with using the slur as "freedom of speech."
07:00:30
Delusion Calculator & Final Questionnaire
Brian runs the female delusion calculator for Emily (0.15% probability — age 22-32, Black/Hispanic, 5'10"+, exclude obese, $60K+) and Amelia (1.5% — age 22-35, White, 5'10"+, exclude obese, $100K+). Final questionnaire topics: women not oppressed currently (some disagreement), women drafted (most disagree), age gap (discussed earlier), women equal rights (brief). Brian's closing: runs $300K/year in expenses, thanks viewers. Raid on Twitch before wrap.
07:17:30
Roast Session
Final roast session via $20 TTS donations. Chat roasts Cali for refusing to define "woman," Catalina for pet man and crying, Gina for being in bathroom, Amelia for dating down, Tanya for quiet demeanor. Chat also gives compliments to Emily/others. Brian wraps the show with twitch raid and thanks.
Transcript
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03:49:32
Brian Atlaslittle bit have you ever had water that have you ever had [ __ ] water that has some bubbles in it it's not bubbles it was just something on the top you see after I poured water into her drink I
03:49:43
Brian Atlaspoured some of let me a absolutely ridiculous you would never drug anybody on the show I when I say Zen I'm don't that's not like a way to drug people it was literally just
03:49:54
Brian Atlassomebody AC I had a bottle of water next to me I poured some into yours then I poured some into mine there backed maybe you [ __ ] backwashed I had drinken from it yet so that's why I was just it
03:50:06
Brian Atlascould have been sh in my cup it doesn't I don't so upset Brian because you stopped the oh what's what's this and then you're saying but well before we you let me make sure
03:50:16
Brian Atlasthat drug my [ __ ] drink I didn't say drug it I said I was looking what was in it because he was saying something and I couldn't yes but I need to clear up the air that you're your the implication here is that I don't think Zin is
03:50:27
Deborah Laeiadrugging somebody and I it's not a z there was no Zen there implication that you put it in there it could have already been my cup there was just something floating at the top and you were sitting next to me so I said what do you think that is pour it in there I
03:50:39
Deborah Laeiawas just what is that here for the girls who saw me pour the water did you also after I poured the water no one thinks you poured anything in my cup Brian that there was something floating it could have fallen from the I could have turned
03:50:50
Deborah Laeiato her too far back it was literally just asking a hair could have been floating in there I would say what do you think that is I don't think you poured it in there just the way you were framing it seemed little [ __ ] I don't think that would well I'm sorry that if
03:51:03
Deborah Laeiayou felt that I don't think you would ever do that it was just weird don't you love apologies like that like I'm sorry you feel that way because I didn't mean it like that at all and I'm sorry if it offended you and that you thought that I framed you in that light cuz I would I
03:51:14
Brian Atlasdon't think ever get ruined over even the the hint of an accusation like that so like I know for women you guys can just kind of like you live in LA law land because you have no fear of being
03:51:26
Brian Atlasfalsely accused of [ __ ] anything but men's whole careers can be [ __ ] ruined by even the hint of a [ __ ] accusation so like yeah it's no big deal for you but for us men we take that [ __ ]
03:51:38
Deborah Laeiareally seriously I can understand in any case I didn't mean to interrupt that but if you guys want to continue I just want to we can that out that I understand that I think that's horrible for the record nobody has ever drugged me or would ever triy
03:51:51
Deborah Laeiato drug me on this somebody accidentally Spit In My Cup last time and I just was asking not because I thought you poured anything it I just saw something floating in my cup that looked like dirt or whatever it might be and I didn't want to chug it if it was something go get your own water next time like I
03:52:04
Deborah Laeiatrying to do you a favor I was pouring your own [ __ ] water just go get your had nothing to do with you pouring the water this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life I understand that men can be extra cautious about it and I won't make any
03:52:16
Deborah Laeiamore jokes about it but it wasn't even a joke I genuinely saw something floating in it and it had nothing to do with zins I just wanted to know and he was talking so I made a joke I don't know everybody's so [ __ ] sensitive on this
03:52:26
Andrew Wilsonshow but next topic next topic I'm not I'm not sensitive I I I just very I'm almost almost I I I mean I I would I would just like a very quick answer to this I'm going to get a fresh glass of
03:52:39
Deborah Laeiawater before it cuz I don't want anybody to be upset about anything so there's a glass of water apparently this is a bad water so I'm just how it I'll take your
03:52:49
Deborah Laeiahow is it a bad water bad energy I asked what was floating in it wow now she just this is ridiculous now she's just gone and tossed the water I'm cleaning out the cup cuz there was something weird in
03:53:01
Brian Atlasit there was nothing in [ __ ] in your cup all the time there's nothing in your cup there's nothing in your cup can we by the way I trust you but let me just dump the water oh my God absurd never had
03:53:12
Brian Atlasthis happen on the show let's do something else okay well you need to be very clear and like walk back and like just make an affirmative statement
03:53:22
Brian Atlason this I'm not going to allow myself to be falsely accused can I come to the nextcast this is not
03:53:32
Deborah Laeiait there was bubbles of some sort not in concerned of a drug way I saw a little fuzz piece floating in my cup and I turn to anyone normal and would go what is that it could have been from before
03:53:44
Deborah Laeiabeforehand I just had curiosity and I did not mean to implicate that it had anything to do with you pouring me the water or any of your actions I was just asking anybody like I would to hear what their humble opinion what that was and
03:53:57
Deborah Laeiathat's all and it's gone and I got a fresh water not because I was concerned but because maybe there was dirt in my cup from when I first got the cup and I just wanted a clean cup now so there is that no one's drugging me nobody's doing
03:54:09
Deborah Laeiaanything little it's cleared up it's it's cleared up I'm sorry not that if you felt that way but I'm sorry I still the so if I framed you in that light
03:54:19
Andrew Wilsonbecause that was not my intention is that okay next topic yeah no we're we're good all cleared up I would actually like an answer to this just just very brief Ang numbers wait
03:54:31
Andrew Wilsonshe said I want to make sure I'm not getting zined again okay I'll be charitable you were making a joke um all right go ahead Andrew I I just i' just like to finish this just because I I do want to know uh the I I want you to
03:54:43
Andrew Wilsonrealize at the argument that you just made to me and this is why this is why I think that so many women who are in the position you are covert feminist because the argument you made to me is that we can't turn the responsibility over to
03:54:54
Deborah Laeiamen for voting because they're too weak this in turn is actually saying that women need to have authority that's what your actual argument reduces to do you understand that no matter what I say you're just going to tell me what you
03:55:06
Deborah Laeiathink I am and what you think I know so I think that at this point it'd be best if we just moved along because you're clearly not no my response is that whatever I say I could say the sky is blue you're like and she thinks the sky is freaking pink so I think it's better
03:55:19
Deborah Laeiato just move on and involve the other guests who have been traveled here from far away to be a part of this conversation that was my response you can take it or you can cry about it I think that everybody else is here to be a part of a dating conversation and
03:55:32
Deborah Laeiathere are a lot of topics and situations that people came here to talk about we're already 4 hours into this podcast I think we've taken enough time from everybody else and we can do our own
03:55:43
Andrew Wilsonsituation about this and it is to just answer the question that's my response if you don't like it that's on you so so you can't answer to the qu of why you just said that women need to have
03:55:53
Deborah Laeiaauthority no like I I don't one at a later date or so like square up yeah if we want to have a One V one that's a we can discuss that okay
03:56:05
Andrew Wilsonokay here's the thing if that's the case us hang on that's fair that's fair but can he actually commit right this that you'll actually do the debate because here's what I think will happen I think
03:56:18
Andrew Wilsonthat you'll say sure I'll do a debate and then the second you're off the show you'll back out in 15 seconds so can you make a firm commitment here on the whatever podcast you'll actually do a debate with me 1 V one I can make a firm
03:56:29
Deborah Laeiacommitment to you that I that I am open to doing a debate to you we have to see what the logistics are but I would be open to debating you maybe I don't know
03:56:39
Deborah LaeiaI'm not on whatever podcast I leave La yeah I'll go Moran debate you there too it doesn't matter where we can I I'll host I just don't live in California so
03:56:51
Andrew WilsonI don't know where I live in Michigan but I would fly out specifically to do a One V one the thing is is like I just want a commitment an actual commitment you'll actually
03:56:59
Brian Atlasdo we can we can arrange for that The Crucible wants to see it so all right
03:57:10
Brian Atlasum good talk good that was really good all right date do you want to do a date or like maybe Jan January or something or oh
03:57:20
Deborah Laeialike you want to do January or um February probably closer to February because I have the inauguration and I have a ton of weddings in December and
03:57:30
Brian Atlasyeah closer to febs febs all right that was really cool we have a chat here from Lucas uh 100 stop tone policing your message packaging sucks and has no res
03:57:42
Brian Atlasyour message no resonance with any patriarchal man I have no interest whatsoever in any form of whitewashed hyp sanitized squishy gynocentric
03:57:53
Brian AtlasMessin Messin Messin thank you Lucas I do appreciate do you want to respond to Lucas or okay Lucas sounds good all right and this is below the threshold
03:58:05
Brian Atlasthank you for that for that man okay all right uh we're going to get into the questionnaire finally finally get into the questionnaire here starting with cie cie
03:58:16
Brian Atlasyou uh disagree so you said it's not fine or you disagree that it's fine to ask a woman her body count on the first date why is that I just think it's a weird question
03:58:28
Calimhm um I just I don't think it's it's relevant mhm um I couldn't tell you my body count cuz I don't care that much like to ever have counted it in my head
03:58:39
Brian Atlasand held that as something that's important to me so mhm and uh who else I think a few other people circled that that it's uh you
03:58:50
Amelia Davisdisagree that it's fine to ask a woman her body count on a first date who else I disagree that's um very inappropriate to ask and it's none of the men's business of what the woman does you also
03:59:01
Deborah Laeiadisagreed does with her body you know Tanya you also disagreed who's yes baby girl yeah into to the mic if you can that Ain none of your business and then Deborah you also disagree I didn't agree
03:59:14
Deborah LaeiaI have circled that because I think it was a little bit more nuanced I think it's valid for people who have a hard cut off like I personally have ask people that question on a second date a
03:59:24
Deborah Laeiaman because like I would never even ma not even marry I would never even go on a third date with somebody who had sex with more than like 50 women 100 women things like that so I totally respect it
03:59:35
Deborah Laeiaon that front but I think the first date aspect to it is just a little strange because you don't really I mean maybe for you you know after a first date but I think usually after a first date you know if you like the person but to know
03:59:47
Deborah Laeiaif that's somebody that you really want to commit to and get to know and I think first date should be fun and light and like two hours and then the second date a little bit more serious so I just thought it was a little weird on the first date but I think it's a valid question and like I never asked my boyfriend my ex-boyfriend with his body
04:00:00
Brian Atlascan we've been to together for six years because it doesn't matter what he did before me you know and and going to you uh so Emily you also disagreed uh why do you disagree with that cuz same like if
04:00:13
Emilyit happen before you I don't think it's necessarily your business as long as you're being like safe with it you know if they were asking for the concern of like STDs that's why they want to know how many people you slept with you know
04:00:25
EmilyI what if it wasn't about STDs then why is it your business you weren't part of the picture anything from here on out with you in the picture involves you but before you past doesn't matter yeah who
04:00:37
Brian Atlaswho agrees with that past does not matter no agree agree so you got would you guys date um I mean it depends what kind of past you have like you know you're like a porn
04:00:48
Amelia Davisstar then no I'm not but I was like not going to date you wait what but hold on why the man's a porn like if he was PR porn yeah what's wrong with that then well because that he's been with a lot of wom I wouldn't feel safe so his body
04:01:00
Catalinacount well I just wouldn't wouldn't feel safe with the guy who had a lot of like yeah but it's it's none of his business right or sorry none of your business right just because you're in porn doesn't mean you have a high body count there's people us isn't that what porn
04:01:12
Catalinais does I know people that have higher body counts than mean they've never been in porn but that doesn't mean that porn porn stars don't gen sex with multiple
04:01:23
Brian Atlaslet me make this really simple do you think comparing the average male porn star to the average male who's going to have a higher body count typically a porn star but sometimes they're not it's
04:01:35
Brian Atlasnot always right but that's the exception yeah yeah yeah okay yeah uh so okay um so past doesn't matter so let's say
04:01:46
Brian Atlasuh would you want to know if a pre a current partner ever cheated on somebody oh yeah obviously so their past does matter all of a sudden in a little bit oh I got a really good question on
04:01:58
Emilythis who just curious who said past doesn't matter it was you none of their business no body count is not their business but I definely think like past exes past relationship behaviors like
04:02:09
Brian Atlasthat yeah I got a perfect question for you uh so it was it just you two who have this position past shouldn't matter doesn't matter um would you date a guy who's had
04:02:18
Brian Atlashomosexual sex no why not because I would be kind of fruity right but okay and then would you date a man who's had sex with I want a straight man sorry yeah my preference is just a straight man no he's straight but he's had sex with a man before that means he's not
04:02:31
Brian Atlasstraight okay fine I'll I'll leave him Grant he's bisexual no no my preference is not a bisexual man yeah but he he's met you he's no longer dating men anymore and he hasn't dat long as he's
04:02:44
Emilynot going to go have sex with any other men no but he's been personal preference I would not it still wouldn't bother you and he changed his mind yeah he Chang people are like Curious so like a year
04:02:55
Brian Atlasbefore he dated you he was getting plowed in the ass by another Manu no okay at least you're honest yeah my preference would be no no but he he's done totally done with men still
04:03:09
Emilynow yeah I just kind of maybe like wish he hadn't told me that cuz it's like it's none of my business so he told you it it's the truth of what happened would
04:03:19
Emilyit be an issue um moving forward he's completely done with it then no would it give you the ick yeah so would you even gu like that I mean it's like is he thinking about me
04:03:33
Emilyhaving sex with guys in the past that would give him the ick too just like don't think about that it has nothing to do no but I don't care about him I'm talking about you yeah I wouldn't think about it either as long as it's never going to happen again then I guess
04:03:43
Brian Atlasexperiment once he decided he didn't like it okay so the way that y'all feel about you being with a man who [ __ ] another man that's how we feel about you
04:03:55
Catalinaguys [ __ ] other guys [ __ ] other men all right what if someone lies about being closeted like they say they're completely straight but doesn't that make you if you like sorry repeat the
04:04:08
Catalinaquestion again I'll try to engage you on like for example I dated someone for like 6 months and they told me they were actually like I caught them in the act
04:04:18
Catalinaof sucking dick oh now like what do I think like I'm traumatized because I thought this guy was straight is that count as is that count as he slept with other men in the past
04:04:30
Catalinaor like and I'm at fault for that or is that his fault for not being honest I don't know um I just want a real man that doesn't do that stuff is that so hard to find nowadays but okay sounds like I need to
04:04:41
Brian Atlasgo to therapy after this me too Emily and Deborah you guys said you disagree that men are the qu the thing is men are not insecure for caring about the woman's body count you both
04:04:53
Emilydisagreed why is that I circled it you did Circle it Deborah I disagree meaning I do think he's insecure for caring about body count yeah I think I C it that too huh I disagree meaning I do
04:05:04
Brian Atlasthink it's insecure to care about body count do you know what disagree means what was the statement men are not insecure for in about a woman's body
04:05:14
Emilycount disagreeing means men are insecure yeah and I disagreed with that statement meaning men are insecure for worrying about body count right yes that's that's saying men
04:05:26
Andrew Wilsonaren't men are not me why do you think that do you know the def definition men yeah she thinks men are insecure for it yeah I disagree with the statement meaning yes men are insecure for thinking that for being concerned about
04:05:38
Deborah Laeiathat okay right yes okay okay I guess I also circled it but not for the same reason I
04:05:49
Deborah Laeiadon't think insecure is the right word for it necessarily I I don't think it makes them insecure I just think I don't know why I disagree with that saying I just feel like insecure is a weird word
04:06:01
Deborah Laeiato use to describe that I think both People Partners in a relationship should have some level of concern at all or they don't that's fine and then they would be a good match for each other but
04:06:11
Deborah LaeiaI think it's very normal and healthy to have some concern about that for bonding you know because it makes it harder to bond with people but insecure is just not I wouldn't call a man insecure for being concerned uh and why
04:06:24
Emilyare men insecure if they care about the woman's body count because like I said why is that any of your business like you weren't part of the picture maybe if you came into my life sooner I'm at the love of my life I wouldn't have gone around sleeping with this guy that guy
04:06:36
Brian Atlasso would you say that you don't think it's fair like would it not be fair for a guy you tell him your body count and he because of your body count he doesn't want to date you would that be
04:06:47
Emilyunfair I think that would be insecure insecure so I don't think it's unfair cuz people have their preferences okay but he would he would be insecure um yeah because why does me
04:06:59
Andrew Wilsonbeing with other men before you're even there like bother you so much are you trying to that's wouldn't it be a mark of security so the idea is that a person has uh boundaries and preferences and they're willing to enforce those
04:07:12
Emilypreferences it seems like it's the most secure thing you can do but you can't like base someone's behavior from when they're a single like let that affect how they would act when you're in a relationship because that's when I'm
04:07:23
Brian Atlassingle I wouldn't go sleep around with people when I'm in a relationship well I mean actually the best predictor for future behavior is past Behavior so I mean being single you can say my past behavior in relationship who's the
04:07:35
Emilypsychology degree person me yeah this is actually like a like a psychological princi you can't compare someone being single to them being Rel they act people
04:07:46
Andrew WilsonI I mean I agree with this point I don't think you're making a bad point that uh people can reform and all different sorts of things I'm not even I'm not even disagreeing with that I'm only disagreeing about one point which is the
04:07:56
Andrew Wilsonidea of insecurity if you have boundaries on what your preferences are and you're not willing to compromise on those boundaries doesn't that show security not insecurity I feel like you should be
04:08:09
Emilysecure with your partner knowing that they're with you in the present moment and moving forward they wouldn't repeat the past that doesn't answer my question but I feel like it's double stand let me repeat the let me repeat the question so I make sure that you understand the
04:08:20
Emilyquestion if you have boundaries and you enforce those boundaries right how is that not a sign of security it is insecure to be concerned
04:08:32
Emilyover something superficial that didn't involve you and would not be repeated with this new bond that you're involved in why would you let external factors
04:08:44
Emilyaffect something like a whole different situation I think it's insecure to worry about it's kind of like don't worry about things that are out of your control type of thing like it's kind of insecure to be thinking about what
04:08:55
Andrew Wilsonthey're doing when you were picture it in isn't it insecure to try to make a person compromise on their boundaries for your benefit no because then that's just preference if they don't need to be with me I said I would respect if a man
04:09:07
Andrew Wilsondidn't want to be with me because of my body count but but what would make that in yeah but the the point here is because why are you so worried about what did before you like why does that affect you because you're enforcing your preference you're enforcing your preference and your boundaries and so if
04:09:20
Emilyyou enforce your preference and boundaries that seems like it's a sign of a secure person an insecure person would be somebody who would compromise on their own boundaries right but an insecure person is someone who's even concerned about that it's like calling a
04:09:32
Emilywoman insecure for saying like oh why are you liking her photos on Instagram but me being secure is me respecting my relationship boundaries like you shouldn't be liking all these women's pictures okay well let's but they're
04:09:42
Andrew Wilsongoing to call me inure for getting upset over them is it insecure to not like let's say that you really loved the CH he thought she was great and then he found out she had genital herpes and so you said okay I'm going to end this relationship because I don't want to be
04:09:55
Emilywith somebody who has genital herpes is that insecurity no no that's that's bring heal concern but it happened before it happened before right had nothing had nothing that is something that affects your present partner that
04:10:07
Emilyis a health concern but all the other hookups before if you never caught anything none of that affects your current part and you did it safely then it shouldn't really matter yeah sure it's it's a health it's a health concern right but it still conflates to
04:10:19
Andrew Wilsonpreference so some people's preferences this health concern wouldn't bother them for other people the health concern would bother them they're just enforcing their preference right they're say my preference to not have my boyfriend following girls but some people are
04:10:31
Andrew Wilsongoing to say that's insecure for not letting him interact with girl yeah I understand that some people would say that I'm not I'm not saying that it's an insecurity that you have boundaries and because you have boundaries you're willing to enforce them that's not in
04:10:43
Andrew Wilsonsecure that seems like it's a sign of being secure insecure seems to me like a person who's willing to Wayne on their boundaries or in some way throw them out the window that seems like a sign of
04:10:54
Emilyinsecurity I think insecurity is more not feeling secure enough in your relationship to not be worried about those external factors if you were secure enough you wouldn't be worried about who your partner was with before
04:11:06
Emilyyou or who your partner is interacting with online if you secure enough with all that I think it is insecure to be worried about those superficial things that do not concern you pres my dad jump
04:11:16
Brian Atlasin really quick uh do you think a man would be insecure if he didn't want to date a woman because she had a body count of a 100
04:11:27
Brian Atlasno wait can you repeat that but what does that have to do with him this is totally this is totally Central to the conversation oh no no no oh wait you were answering it what does that have to
04:11:38
Brian Atlasdo with him yeah so okay just so we're clear there there would be no C and I I'll even grant you that there's no STDs involved somehow she's she's [ __ ] played Russian roulette with her [ __ ]
04:11:50
Brian Atlasstill didn't get an STD a thousand men she's been with a thousand men before him still insecure as long as she's not still
04:12:01
Brian Atlastalking to those men or those nothing's going to happen relationship damn she she's been with 10,000 men before him still
04:12:11
Emilyinsecure what is there to complain about though like is her coochie loose is she concerned is it affecting your health like exactly what what is the problem that's just a matter of tell I'll tell you I'll possession and trying to
04:12:24
Brian Atlasobjectify someone and be like Oh through your fuing experienced by other people you you you're like stalking who he's following your Poss that's present that's present moment but
04:12:35
Emilywhat happened before doesn't matter I bet you still get Jealous of the chicks he used to [ __ ] me personally yes I'm insecure I can admit that but I would admit that it's insecure for a Man
04:12:47
Andrew WilsonToo what yeah but why why would it be insecure if like uh you do realize that men have a Revolt factor in them right and for good reason they have a Revolt
04:12:57
Andrew Wilsonfactor for good reason the idea being that uh the less the less men that a woman has been with the more likely that you can secure paternity right so this
04:13:06
Andrew Wilsonis the idea the idea is that uh until modern times in paternity test the only way you could determine if a child was yours as if a woman exclusively was having sex with you right there's there
04:13:18
Andrew Wilsonwas no other way to determine that so it's it's wired into men to have a Revolt factor to a woman's promiscuous Behavior right it's so it's actually wired in so if that's the case right
04:13:30
Andrew Wilsonthen the premise here is hey they find it revolting why why would it be a sign of insecurity to to you know for some reason do the thing you thought was revolting that's just seems the opposite
04:13:41
Emilyto me but isn't it also like biologically ingrained in women to like find a provider and such like that yes I
04:13:52
Andrew Wilsonthink so so so you would think that they would tailor if they wanted a provider and they knew that men generally tend to find higher body counts to be revolting if women were moving towards that you
04:14:05
Emilywould think that they would keep their body counts low on purpose right like that makes sense doesn't it yeah yeah but not Not all men care about that type
04:14:14
Andrew Wilsonof stuff and so I that's true not all do not all do but but but the type of men that you would probably want probably care about that kind of stuff right exactly yeah but then there's the type of men who care about what the wom's
04:14:27
Andrew Wilsonbody count is but totally dismisses what his own body counts and that's what double because women tend to not care about that at all in fact it's the opposite it's very bizarre um and this this has always been a strange
04:14:38
Andrew Wilsonphenomenon to me but I've actually seen men who are virgins in their 30s get shamed by women and told well wait there must be actually something wrong with you if other women don't desire you they're like there must be something
04:14:50
Andrew Wilsonwrong with you I've actually seen that uh but I don't really see that phenomenon in Reverse which is
04:14:59
Andrew Wilsonstrange like men definitely desire women who have no body count like they definitely desire that but on the side don't seem to give a [ __ ] too much about a man's body count I don't know some men
04:15:10
Emilylike their women a little seasoned Maybe a little more experien but most of men just want a virgin so you guys just go 15year old then hasn't done like what I don't understand why they why they so is
04:15:23
Catalinait not weird for a 40-year-old to be a virgin cuz my brother's a 40-year-old and he's a virgin so yeah I think I think a lot of women would see that as talking about body count and I have a brother who's a virgin he's 40 what
04:15:34
Andrew Wilsonabout him I find that kind of weird okay yeah exactly that makes well that makes sense right I think that most women would say that's weird that's weird that's odd that's strange that he's 40 and a virgin right that this actually is
04:15:46
Andrew Wilsonmaking my point for me and so what does she do immediately she's like oh well if you want a virgin go fight a 15y what does you what do the big 15 have to do with their virginity like all of this
04:15:56
Andrew Wilsonall that is just straight up shaming tactic it's it's all shaming tactic to just tell a man it's inappropriate for you to not want a woman with a high body count that's just insane and actually
04:16:08
Brian Atlasit's interesting like the 40-year-old male virgin is like a lot of women women as like the women that would date them in terms of like you know respective age
04:16:18
Brian Atlasor whatever the women in that age range that's going to probably be a big red flag for vast majority of women but like somehow there's a 40-Year-Old Virgin
04:16:28
Brian Atlaswoman I would argue that she's going to be pretty highly coveted by a lot of men in her own age range they're going to be like whoa that's rare mhm like a unicorn
04:16:39
Gina Pradawhere dude's going to be looked at as a weirdo right yeah dude yeah dude's going to be like that's super weird uh so like depends on the reason too like I would be like why are you a
04:16:50
Catalinavirgin at 40 cuz he lives with his mom and plays video games Works a job but weird go out and that dating life or something do something you get in bed so I personally don't find it like any
04:17:01
Andrew Wilsonproblem with the Virgin man at all in my like0 40 is I would ask like I said I would bad as sex yeah right but but that's the whole key right the whole key there is like you would ask think it's
04:17:13
Gina Pradaweird right you would ask because you think it's weird I mean unusual for sure because he could just be like really religious and he just hasn't found the girl I don't know that's cute I love that yeah that's also
04:17:26
Andrew Wilsonthe fact that you think it's weird is the point that I'm trying to make right the fact that you even think it's odd to begin with is is showing this kind of Distinction uh which we're looking at
04:17:35
Andrew Wilsonwhich is that definitely um men are seem seem to be very happy with women with low body counts and seem to prefer it if they can get one uh whereas whereas women don't seem to care nearly as much
04:17:48
Andrew Wilsonabout men having a higher body count and I you know this could have something to do with the penetrative nature of it I'm not exactly sure why but that does seem to be the case I mean I disagree I personally do care like about my man's
04:18:01
Gina Pradabody count I feel like it's super important for me to know especially because sex is such a like a spiritual thing that in my eyes I feel like you should only share with one person even though I know you guys probably disagree with that but that's just the reason why
04:18:14
Andrew WilsonI would like probably care I would care well I I agree with you that there's many individual women many individual women that would care about this and there's just like uh but but if we're
04:18:24
Andrew Wilsontalking about the wide scope of women uh generally speaking they don't seem to care as much about it as men care about it I guess that's the the point that I'm after not that individual women don't
04:18:35
Brian Atlascare about it because I know tons that do M uh quick question for you uh you said that I don't know if you said some men or a lot of men they prefer their women more seasoned so like more
04:18:47
Brian Atlassexually experienced yeah some of them do yeah I mean so they like today strippers only fans girls yeah those guys are degenerates but um so I guess my question to you is do you
04:18:59
Brian Atlasthink like realistically speaking do you think when it comes to the sexual experience component uh well I suppose men would like you know woman who is
04:19:09
Brian Atlasquote unquote good and bad although uh if if you're a man and you know how to you have some degree of sexual experience you can have a pretty stellar sexual experience with an inexperienced
04:19:19
Brian Atlaswoman or even a virgin um do you think most men like if the tradeoff is she's a bit she's marginally better
04:19:29
Brian Atlasin the bedroom or even much better in the bedroom but this this entails that she's [ __ ] 20 additional men before me do you think most men make that
04:19:41
Emilytradeoff I don't think they think about that like oh she's better in bed oh she's probably [ __ ] more people like it could be she's been longterm
04:19:51
Brian Atlasrelationship oh but yeah but you got to like yes I agree with in fact I may argue this point all the time a woman who has a low body count who's been in you've what two relationships right two
04:20:03
Brian Atlaslong-term relationships she's probably better in bed than the woman who's had a 100 one night stands with a 100 different men and only [ __ ] one men one time I can agree with that cuz relationship so this idea that the
04:20:14
Brian Atlashigher the body count she's going to be better in bed I doesn't really compute necessarily because she could have had just a bunch of one night stands I said there's some correlation but your whole statement I don't know why you bring
04:20:26
Brian Atlasthat up because your whole statement here is we're talking about women with higher body counts and your position is your argument for like oh men would
04:20:35
Brian Atlasprefer women with a higher body count is because she's more seasoned in other other words more sexual experience it's like kind of frustrating
04:20:47
Emilylike I don't know I'm not saying it's causation necessarily sleeping with more people makes you better in bed but I'm saying that it gives you more experiences like maybe that person's more open sexually they'd be down to
04:20:59
Emilyhave thre sus they'd be down to go to orgies with you whereas a virgin maybe a virgin would not be as open to those sexual experiences why would why would a guy who's
04:21:09
Emilyalready why would a guy who is already um screening for low body count women why would he want to take I said a woman I said a woman I said guys who prefer a seasoned women you said why would guys
04:21:21
Emilyprefer seasoned women if necessarily they aren't better in bed I'm saying maybe their sexual preferences and what they're open to so they're cuck no you said he wants to bring his girl to an orgy no I translation let
04:21:34
Emilyother men [ __ ] her like being with a stripper I'd say she might be more open to using sex toys trying roleplay trying three but if you were to [ __ ] a virgin maybe she'd be kind of more closed off to
04:21:47
Brian Atlasthose things that's what I mean by more is not this complicated procedure um look it's different for everyone but again I'll ask the question again because you didn't even give me an
04:21:57
Brian Atlasanswer so the question is do you think most men do you think most men if they get a woman who's a bit better in bed the tradeoff being that she's [ __ ] 20
04:22:10
Emilyother dudes do you you think they most men make that trade-off what what trade-off is happening they're okay with her [ __ ] 20 more people because she's better in
04:22:22
Brian Atlasbed how can I ask you a question how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning lightheaded okay um so okay the she she
04:22:33
Brian Atlastook that she took that round [Laughter] Brian I just I could repeat myself I don't know if that'll help you understand what what do you mean by
04:22:45
Emilytradeoff though he's okay with her [ __ ] 20 more people cuz she's a little bit better in bed okay so you're saying I think no matter how how she gets good in bed is none of your concern just be [ __ ] grateful that she's with
04:22:57
Emilyyou and she's [ __ ] you good whether she slept with 20 men before you or one guy for a long time like in my case but okay
04:23:08
Brian Atlasso you're saying that your position is that body count doesn't matter and one of the benefits of a woman who has more sex who has more b a higher body count
04:23:20
Brian Atlasis she's more seasoned she has more sexual experience and this is going to lead to conceivably better sex so I'm asking you do you think most men are
04:23:31
Brian Atlaswilling to make that tradeoff of the woman is better in bed therefore I will accept a woman with a higher body count
04:23:40
Emilybecause she's better in bed yeah some guy wants a certified eater who will make him nut in 5 seconds or do he want the unexperienced girl who takes
04:23:51
Brian Atlasan hour to get him off like it's just it doesn't since when is it women who like y'all oh my God okay
04:24:01
Brian Atlasum so yeah there's men there's like some cummer [ __ ] dgen men I yeah I guess who would prefer that um do you think
04:24:09
Brian Atlasmost men who like want a girlfriend do you think that those men who have a girlfriend and if the the girlfriend is
04:24:19
Brian Atlasnot like up to par sexually although it's something that can be worked on and communicated and talked of he would be like you know what I just wish you came better experienced already and the
04:24:31
Emilyentailment of that is that you've had an additional 20 sexual partners do they make the tradeoff no because like I said it's not causation higher bodies does not equal
04:24:43
Emilybetter and it's your position your position it oh my God bro your position is that a woman with a higher body count is more seasoned no all I said was it
04:24:54
Emilydoesn't matter how she became good in bed that's none of your concern that should not be a judgment of character that should not be a defining factor in your relationship I feel like because like I said if there's no Health concern
04:25:07
Emilyif there's no loyalty concern then what is the concern it's a matter of like objectifying something someone feeling like they're less worthy because they've experienced more that's just not a good way to Value
04:25:18
Emilysomeone um I agree with because they've been with more people like what you said it's object I agree that sex is like spiritual connections I'm not the type to just sleep around with anybody either like but some people choose to do that
04:25:30
Emilywith their B so that doesn't make them any less of a person or any it makes them less worthy of worthy of being a girlfriend or any less loyal in a relationship no it doesn't do yes I
04:25:41
Brian Atlasthink somebody I'm yes somebody who has a high body count is going to be deemed less desirable in the sexual Marketplace sorry this is this is a metric by which
04:25:54
Emilymen determine whether they want to be with a woman some men but in the end at the end of the day if she never tells you how would you ever know like that really at the end of the day if she doesn't tell you that doesn't change
04:26:07
Emilyanything in your relationship that doesn't make the sex any better or less it does not make the love any more or less it does not make her any more less promiscuous or loyal in a
04:26:17
Brian Atlasrelationship that has nothing to do with the relationship or that specific person Okay cool so respond to this you just said if she doesn't tell you okay so if I ask her and she lies about it no I'm saying that it's not the end of the
04:26:30
Emilyworld because that's not a determining Factor it doesn't change anything physically in the relationship she lied about it you say you said if she doesn't no I'm saying at the end of the day if you never knew what her body count is
04:26:42
Brian Atlaswhat does that change in your relationship I can actually look I'll even give you a scenario where this could be an issue so woman who has more connections with men albeit this is kind of like uh one of the more like Niche
04:26:55
Brian Atlasarguments that can be made a woman who's made more connections with men it's inevitable that she's landed on a [ __ ] crazy dude and if you're involved with a crazy [ __ ] ex then that's an issue for me that can be for
04:27:07
Emilygirls who don't sleep around with people who have just poor taste in men or just experienced bad men in their life that doesn't equate to high body count either huh that doesn't equate to high body count people can have crazy exes without
04:27:19
Brian Atlashaving but you think the virgin woman who's never had a long-term Rel be with an abusive man you got to stop interrupting the virgin woman who do you think is more likely to have done the
04:27:32
Emilythe roulette until she's landed on a crazy [ __ ] the chick who's [ __ ] 100 dudes or the Virgin who what if the Virgin has only ever encountered the one horrible
04:27:44
Emilycrazy AB I can't argue with somebody who just immediately every time goes to like the exception to the rule I just can't even have a conversation maybe a virgin wouldn't know her selfworth or like what else is out there in the dating field to
04:27:57
Emilypick better men and the Virgin is the one who ends up with those crazy exes cuz they don't have those sexual encounters with that actually makes those I mean from the from Brian's perspective
04:28:09
Andrew Wilsonbasically you're just saying that the Virgin should go go out and have sex with more men so that she doesn't end up in experienced with men she's not having sex with that's what your argument there
04:28:18
Brian Atlaswould reduce to wait you or me me you yeah oh wait what were you saying so what look I guess what what are acceptable metrics
04:28:29
Emilythat men are allowed to disqualify a women on then their past relationships have you cheated on your past partners when you're in like a loyal committed exclusive relationship like have you gone through their phone or you know
04:28:42
Emilyhave you been cheated on those are I feel like determining factors of like past trauma future behaviors in relationships and like telltale signs of like loyalty and such but you shouldn't
04:28:54
Emilywhat is considered toxic to you I think yeah like um not being respectful of like your opinions and your feelings and your if your boyfriend was going through your phone and Mak an argument with you every time he found a
04:29:06
Emilynew girl on your phone wouldn't you actually like get pissed off oh yeah yeah my past relationship was tox and that's why my ex broke up with me I'm fully aware of that and I know I have baggage that needs to be healed I'm not dodging accountability what last
04:29:19
Brian Atlasquestion on this um do you think that it would be wrong for a guy to not want to date an ex sex worker that's not wrong I think that's just preference too
04:29:30
Emilybut it's in her past right yeah so she stopped doing it she's not yeah he should be open to the idea of like she's a changed person as long as she won't do that to you it's should didn't matter what happened in her past
04:29:43
Emilyit was just her way of making money you know it's not her being disloyal to you or disrespecting you and it won't happen again okay well uh let's see let's get
04:29:54
Brian Atlasinto more of uh the uh questionnaire stuff uh women should go 50/50 on the date Bridget you disagreed
04:30:05
Brian AtlasAmelia you disagreed uh Emily also disagree especially on a first date that's crazy I think Deborah disagree Tanya also
04:30:15
Amelia Davisdisagree what's crazy um that on going on first date the girl has to be expected to pay 50/50 of the date that you're inviting her on mhm so it's like if you're inviting me out to a date why
04:30:27
Amelia Davisdo I have to pay if you're the one initiating this mhm so whoever asked should pay yeah have you ever asked a guy out on a date no interesting how that works a very privileg I'm I'm not
04:30:39
Amelia Davislike saying oh I would never pay or anything like no I have paid for um for guys I have bought them stuff I have been like in that Ro CL first on the first date or like you're 5 years into a relationship never Five Years on the relationship I've never like the first
04:30:51
Amelia Davisday like offer like oh I'm going to take care of it don't worry like you have or you have not I have not and I don't think I would cuz I want to see if he's a provider or not if he's actually a man
04:31:00
Brian Atlascuz those are like the the roles of a man am I wrong uh well okay let's I I'm interested in going into should claims on this so just show of hands going
04:31:11
Brian Atlasaround the table should men pay for the first date should should for the first yeah into the mics guys yes yes yes yes
04:31:20
Brian AtlasDeborah yes yes I don't agree uh should should women cook and clean yes I do uh should women be submissive yes if the man is leading correctly the woman
04:31:30
Brian Atlasshould be submissive should women um should women that be submissive job
04:31:40
Amelia DavisCH should women virgins be virgins yeah yeah yes how many any virgins at the table me okay I was with I'm a born again virgin born again virgin go ahead
04:31:52
Andrew WilsonAndrew includ I was just asking you said if men are leading properly they should be submissive who's going to determine that the man is leading properly does it not say in the Torah or Bible or wherever
04:32:04
Deborah Laeiayou want to reference it as that a woman should submit to a husband who is worthy and loyal and provider biblical value it is cuz I'm I'm very religious that a man should and that's what I was saying
04:32:14
Deborah Laeiabeforehand where I stand by what I said that this generation not for many reasons not only their fault things that came before them the what it means I don't want to
04:32:25
Deborah Laeiaspeak for men but overall I think if there has been a decline on both sides of gender roles and this is by Design in our society to take away gender roles and say that there's no difference
04:32:35
Deborah Laeiabetween a man and a woman which I vly disagree with and overall I think that men should be worthy leaders there's a lot of crazy men just like there's a lot of crazy women but do you have your
04:32:46
Catalinaphone yeah did you not hear the instructions to not be on your phone oh I never put it back after I showed you the picture what's that I just didn't go back over there and put it back that's fine go ahead the picture sorry Deborah
04:32:57
Deborah Laeiago no it's fine just I mean I I stand by what I said which I think that what it comes down to a man who can provide protect and show that he is a strong leader absolutely deserves a woman who
04:33:07
Deborah Laeiacan trust him and this is I think a big misalignment Within societ where I think deep down women really do want to submit to men they want to be able as we say in girl world just turn your brain off when you're on a date you don't have toin
04:33:20
Deborah Laeiapower where you're walking and you can really and what I said with the sourdough and nails and stuff like that clearly you don't understand jokes but that's just my style when it comes to speaking I think embracing your femininity women because we've been
04:33:32
Deborah Laeiapushed into the workforce and had to unconsciously or unwillingly take on a lot of the male roles like being the provider being the protectors things of that nature has led women to not be able
04:33:43
Deborah Laeiato embrace their femininity and so I think in a good relationship a man will be able to embrace and flourish and his masculinity and the same with the woman and whatever that means being a homekeeper being a matriarch being a
04:33:56
Deborah Laeiareally soft Landing space for her husband to land on and good providing that environment okay so my follow-up question to you would just be this then if that is the case and and this is what
04:34:07
Deborah Laeiayou believe if you if you actually wanted men to have the authority inside society and the responsibility why would you Advocate that women could vote
04:34:19
Deborah Laeiabecause I think you keep deleting the most important part of this which is that not every single man right now and at large there is a lack of strong fathers there's a lot of things that
04:34:32
Deborah Laeialead into and this is not only a male problem there's a female problem too there are a lot of factors that lead into men this is like the man or the bear question if we get to that that I think not every man right now just
04:34:44
Deborah Laeiabeing a man doesn't inherently make you worthy of being a leader I think that you have to show that you were a leader and this is true across the history of the world that every single uh Shepherd in the Torah in the original book was
04:34:56
Deborah Laeiachosen for a lot of their specific qualities there's a reason why those men were chosen to be leaders same with Donald Trump there may be other men who share similar qualities to him but there's a reason why he was chos to lead as opposed to any random guy that you
04:35:08
Deborah Laeiacan maybe find on the side of the street in La who's cat calling women I think that men who are worthy and live up to what it means to be leaders and protectors and
04:35:18
Deborah Laeiaalso have kind Hearts not not softies but just overall good men in my definition of it I think those men are worth leading and I don't think just because you're a man that automatically
04:35:29
Andrew Wilsonmakes you a perfect amazing leader we've seen that throughout all of society so so how is this argument not actually contradictory because you're saying essentially that you need to reduce
04:35:40
Andrew Wilsonmen's Authority because um because you don't think that they're in a good position to lead women you don't think that men in society are good enough leaders and since they're not good enough leaders you need to have
04:35:52
Andrew Wilsonauthority so that when did I say and sorry to cut you off but I'm saying this is what this is when did I say of that I'm explaining I'm explaining this is this is an logical entailment of your argument if you say to me what I I'm
04:36:05
Andrew Wilsonadvocating that women be able to vote because there's too many men in society who if we give authority to are going to lead me wrong then you're actually saying that you need to have authority so that you can determine who's a leader and who isn't a
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Deborah Laeialeader that actually is stripping Authority away from men like this is The Logical entailment I don't see a way around it no I think you're just taking it how you take it which no matter how I say it you're just interpreting it and
04:36:30
Deborah Laeiasaying what you want to say I've said a million times logical what's illogical about what I'm saying I didn't say the word illogical you keep taking what I say and then just changing what I'm saying and then saying so you're saying
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Deborah Laeiathis and then when I say no I when did I say we should take power away from men when did I say that we should take power away from men when did I say that I'm showing you an entail I'm showing you the entailment of the logic here I I'll
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Deborah Laeialiterally break it down really really simple here I'll show you so so premise one I don't need you to show me I need you to tell me when I said that because I'm saying what I say and you're telling me what you think I genuinely believe and you still won't address the point
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Deborah Laeiabut he can talk over me whenever he wants then if I talk over him it's because I'm a woman who wants to have men removed from look I've moderated Andrew tonight you got to let them finish how many times can you tell me what I think I said and what I think I
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Andrew Wilsonmean just going to okay stop just go ahead Andrew so it's just it's just like this just premise one men need to lead okay premise two in order for men to lead they need to have authority premise
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Andrew Wilsonthree women need to vote premise four why this why why do women need to vote they need to vote because men aren't adequately leading so women need to have authority that's the entire syllogism so then the conclusion is men are not
04:37:43
Andrew Wilsoncapable of leading so women need to have authority so that they can pick the men that need to lead them so it's it's actually stripping Authority away from men I don't I don't know a way around that like I'm I'm literally reing you
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Deborah Laeiastill haven't addressed again that was not what I said I didn't say men need to lead I said they should lead ideal men ideally men should be the leaders of society but I don't think you still won't address 15 times over you're
04:38:08
Deborah Laeiatelling me what you think I said but you won't address the one point which is there has been a decline in what it means to be a man in terms of masculinity in terms of chivalry everything like that across the board
04:38:20
Deborah Laeiathere has been a decline so if you agree with me that men are not and this isn't only a male thing but just speaking about men as leaders that Men at Large there has been a decline of What men's role in society has been what they feel to be a man and all of that combined
04:38:33
Deborah Laeiameans that right now doesn't mean we should take authority away from Men's it's the one thing you won't address is that I think we as a society as women as men As Americans as whatever should work
04:38:44
Deborah Laeiatowards getting back to a place where men and women are more strong and embrace their femininity and their masculinity and I think that will lead us to a better place where women who can Embrace their femininity will naturally
04:38:57
Deborah Laeiaapproach matriarchy they will naturally say wait maybe you know what I actually don't love my corporate job I know a lot of women who have convinced themselves that being powerful and that they need to work for 30 years and make a million dollars and then they'll have kids in
04:39:10
Deborah Laeiatheir 40s and then I personally don't agree with that and I think that if we as a society get back to a place where originally women were not expected to be in the workforce things of that nature
04:39:21
Deborah Laeiathen men hopefully can recover in whatever that means to them and masculinity can become something that means more to them and is not seen as like tox I'm not done toxic masculinity
04:39:32
Deborah Laeiaall of that stuff I'm almost done you can wait all that toxic masculinity stuff has taught men are to feel bad about themselves and not Embrace their masculinity so I think the most important part of this is not stripping
04:39:43
Deborah Laeiaaway power from men or saying women are better lead I think we need to focus on fixing that issue whether it's through strong fatherhood whether it's through stopping this idea that everybody's saying toxic masculinity anytime a man wants to actually act like a man opening
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Deborah Laeiathe door for a woman and a woman gets offended I think moving away from that as a society will get us to a place where Men at Large will be better equipped to lead society and it doesn't mean that right now I'm not saying if I really meant it I would say it I'm not
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Deborah Laeiahaving any secret arguments I'm saying what I mean which is the step one I think ideally men should be the leaders and the step to get there is to fix masculinity that's what I'm saying so here so to address you keep saying I
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Andrew Wilsonwon't address this argument but the argument was my premise so the thing is is when you say okay but you haven't address what's going on with men in society and the lower testosterone and the fact that they're not leading as well but I actually did that was a
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Andrew Wilsonpremise of my original argument which is the reason that you see a failure in uh men in society is because they have all the respons responsibility without the authority they have the responsibility
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Andrew Wilsonabsent The Authority so I say okay so how do we fix that how do we fix the idea here that you have additional responsibilities without Authority that your your premise here is well we need to move back to all of these things
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Andrew Wilsonwhich are preambles to women voting by the way that all these things that you're pointing to this is pre- women suffrage and so I go okay well that makes sense so then why is it then that
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Andrew Wilsonyou would say that men right who have this responsibility as Leaders right you wouldn't want them to have the authority to exercise that responsibility that seems like it's it's ultimately what you
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Andrew Wilsonwant what's going on is you have a an actual internal conflict here the the conflict is I want to be a strong empowered woman while at the same time advocating that there's a patriarchy
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Andrew Wilsonit's like you can't have both patriarchy hang on hang on I hang on either the patriarchy is empowered with the authority to lead or it is not and if
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Andrew Wilsonyou say it's not empowered with the authority to lead women need to be able to select the leaders you have a matriarchy then not a patriarchy you're have you have a second class that has additional responsibilities women don't
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Andrew Wilsonhave but have a limited amount of Authority or equal authority to women that's the opposite of patriarchy it makes no sense you I just don't understand what position or where you're
04:42:04
Deborah Laeiacoming from where you consistently think that you know what I actually feel I'm having an internal conflict you don't know anything about my before the show maybe follow me I don't know no you're not listening to what I'm saying you're saying the opposite of what I say every
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Deborah Laeiasingle time and that's why it's just so frustrating I have an internal conflict because I want to be an empowered woman you're pushing what you clearly don't like about women onto me somebody that you clearly don't know much about or my P you can happily look through my social
04:42:29
Deborah Laeiamedia listening to your arguments and based off of that you are saying that I'm clearly a secret feminist who has wants to be an empowered women woman finally said right for everybody else but you're telling me that based
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Deborah Laeiaoff absolutely what nothing absolutely nothing logic I'm showing you logic that's not logic that is you trying to push what you think about women onto me trying to catch me in something you a
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Deborah Laeialogical position when have I what have I said or what have I displayed throughout my life that shows that I want to be an empowered woman where men are on the sidelines and don't have power you are advocating that women vote if you
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Andrew WilsonAdvocate women vote the entailment is women have authority well women can vote hang on hang on I'm answering your question question so if the entailment is that women have authority and equal authority to men that's not a patriarchy it's the opposite of a patriarchy that's
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Andrew Wilsonno longer a patriarchy so if men have additional responsibility right but they only have equal Authority then they don't have the authority to lead they don't have the authority to lead because you can negate their Authority anytime you want that's the entailment of your
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Andrew Wilsonlogic when you say what have I displayed in my personal life has nothing to do with the logic of your argument it's an illogical argument makes no sense either you want men and a patriarchy so you want men to have the authority to lead
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Andrew Wilsonand the responsibility thereof or you don't but you can't say but I need to be equal with them in political status for them to lead that's the opposite of your own position makes no sense no I don't live in a fantasy world I live in the
04:43:55
Deborah Laeiacurrent world where women do have the right to vote and if you are advocating for women being losing the right to vote that is something that I don't agree with and I don't know why you think women shouldn't vote if I think men should lead us right now it's not an
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Deborah Laeiaoption in front of me should women not have the right to vote women have the right to vote this isn't the 1800s like a lot of people want us to go back to apparently this is modern history and if you're asking me if I would repeal this no I would absolutely not if I think in
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Deborah Laeiaan ideal Society men should be the leaders of society yes but I don't understand why you think you're catching you want to lead how do I want without authority to lead how well why do you think that the you said it yourself that the only reason the downfall of
04:44:34
Deborah Laeiamasculinity and all this stuff is because men don't have the authority to exercise their leadership that's the only reason that men and masculinity is declines that's ridiculous I think that's ridiculous it's not listen it's
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Andrew Wilsonnot all the all all the things that you would consider like if I told you to point to a time where you thought men were strong leaders you'd point the British generation that my grandpa hang on you would you would you would you would point to pre suffrage if I asked
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Andrew Wilsonyou when were men better men you'd point to prese suffrage if I asked you any of these things you would point to pre suffrage how do you know you haven't asked me this is exactly what you've been doing the whole time you have this
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Deborah Laeiaidea when were men better men tell me yeah this I answer when were men better men I'm asking you you want me to ask you I'm asking you when were men better men this is why it's just not even like
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Deborah LaeiaI could go back and forth with you but everything I've said this entire time I give you a solid answer and you flip it and say well you think this you think that because you're just trying to men were men better men just answer please
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Deborah Laeiaentertain this anymore you want you want to answer you're not going to answer question because it doesn't matter what I answer to you you think you know what I believe and you're going to tell me what I despite every other question you've
04:45:44
Deborah Laeiaasked me you've had the same reaction and so I just don't think there's any point of me telling you something because whatever I say you brought it up you brought it up and so I'm I've said a thousand times what I think and you keep
04:45:56
Andrew Wilsontelling me I'm going undercover this I really think this L asking you a question when were better I just when when were men better men can you answer the question I don't know why we need to like do a bunch of emotional Outburst
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Deborah Laeiacan you just answer emotional Outburst you called me a covert feminist saying all these personal attacks because I said what that I think women should vote no I'm giving you declarative statements of fact I haven't personally attacked you at all so the thing is is like just
04:46:21
Brian Atlasjust very quickly can you just tell me when you think men were better men when what's the time period I'm not going to of course not of course not right okay can I do I can't I I can't force her to
04:46:32
Brian Atlasengage in the uh conversation but uh Deborah why we uh get through your uh your notes here um so and we'll get the we'll get everybody
04:46:44
Deborah Laeiaon the panel here uh what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband I wrote this on the chart I said 200,000 I'm from New York city so that's a pretty that's not like a crazy number I
04:46:57
Deborah Laeiathink in smaller cities you could have less but in New York I think you need to make at least 150,000 to live comfortably between taxes and everything so I think that's a good starting salary where you can be comfortable even on a single income if I would have the
04:47:10
Brian Atlaspleasure of being a stay-at home mom one day all right you also said uh or actually leton let this come through before meet the Kaiser donated