WALK OFF?! SUPER Woke Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson! She Has A Pet HUMAN?! LA GIRLS! | Dating Talk #214
Date: 2024-11-20
Duration: 7h 42m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_02Gina Prada(guest)
SPEAKER_03Gina Prada(guest)
SPEAKER_04Amelia Davis(guest)
SPEAKER_05Deborah Laeia(guest)
SPEAKER_06Catalina(guest)
SPEAKER_07TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Emily(guest)
SPEAKER_12Tanya(guest)
SPEAKER_13Cali(guest)
SPEAKER_14Bridget(guest)
Key Moments
00:01:24
QuoteCatalina reveals she has a "pet" human: a man who sleeps on her dog bed, acts as coat rack, and she pays all his bills
“"I have a pet... like a guy that acts like my dog... he sleeps on my floor on the dog bed... he just does whatever I ask."”
00:08:16
QuoteEmily performs an original song live on the show
“"Always acting like this the last time, but you always change my mind, just one last time, go through it all again, don't want this to end..."”
00:25:07
QuoteAmelia reveals her ex-boyfriend cut her hair while she was blacked out drunk
“"He cut my hair yeah... he gave me like a little mullet... he gave me like the top layer of my hair just like jagged it up."”
01:00:00
QuoteCatalina explains she used to be a porn star and now produces films
“"I used to be a porn star okay... about 5 years ago... I've been in every industry you can think of."”
01:00:06
QuoteCali explains she opened her marriage after one year due to being queer and previously polyamorous
“"I am queer as fuck so... I mean I wanted to be with women... we agreed that it was fine so..."”
01:23:02
ControversyAndrew Wilson strongly confronts Catalina about exploiting a mentally ill man — she cries
“"You have a duty you have a responsibility... you're not a victim here, you're the victimizer... what you're doing is horrific and psychotic."”
01:30:50
OtherCatalina breaks down crying after Andrew's confrontation about her pet arrangement
“Catalina crying: "You're making it seem worse than it actually is... I can change and I can grow."”
03:19:40
ControversyDeborah and Andrew Wilson have heated debate about feminism and patriarchy — she calls him a "griper"
“Deborah: "I called you a griper because the majority of reason why far-right men do not want women to vote is because women tend to vote liberal." Andrew: "So you're a covert feminist."”
04:00:00
QuoteBrian tells men never to take their girlfriend to clubs or bars
“"I say never go with your girl first off... if it never go out in any sort of environment where there's alcohol with your girl... the amount of men I've seen get sparked up in a fight..."”
04:04:00
QuoteEmily reveals she measured a footprint in her boyfriend's windshield to determine if it was a woman's foot (jealous FBI behavior)
“"I literally like measured it cuz I was like is this your footprint or is this a female's footprint."”
05:18:40
ControversyDeborah asks Andrew to "shut up for 30 seconds" — Andrew says she's showing her true nature as an "entitled LARPing conservative"
“Deborah: "Andrew can you shut up for 30 seconds let me talk..." Andrew: "That's another form of validation... you're a covert feminist."”
05:22:20
OtherDeborah Laeia leaves the podcast mid-show to drive back to LA alone
“"Sorry guys I have to leave... I have a 2-hour plus drive back to LA alone in the dark... it was great being on with you Brian, Andrew, everybody."”
05:24:20
QuoteDeborah and Andrew agree to a 1-on-1 formal debate
“Deborah: "I can make a firm commitment to you that I am open to doing a debate with you." Brian: "We can arrange for that."”
06:13:05
ControversyGina Prada and Catalina erupt in racial-slur catfight — near physical altercation
“Catalina: "[n-word] you're mad" Gina: "I hope y'all heard what she said... it's called freedom of speech welcome to America." Gina retaliates with insults about Catalina's looks. Others intervene to prevent physical fight.”
Topics Discussed
00:00:08
Introductions & Show Announcements
Brian introduces show, plugs social media/streamlabs/merch/BLM nonprofit. Guests introduce themselves one by one: Cali (fire performer, divorced/poly), Bridget (student, 5yr relationship), Amelia Davis (model/jeweler/nursing student), Gina Prada (trainer), Emily (singer-songwriter/bud tender), Catalina (events/porn producer/ex-porn star), Tanya (ESL teacher), Deborah Laeia (political commentator), Andrew Wilson (The Crucible). Brian mentions World of Warcraft guild plans.
00:15:00
Relationship Status Round
Full round of relationship statuses. Cali: divorcing after 5yr poly marriage, has daughter. Bridget: 5yr relationship (only one). Amelia: single 2 months after 6yr abusive relationship (ex cut her hair while she slept). Gina: 4yr relationship. Emily: single 4 months after breakup due to her trust issues/jealousy. Catalina: single ~1yr, has "pet" man sleeping on dog bed. Tanya: 6-month relationship, prior 9yr abusive relationship with sick ex. Deborah: single 6 months, looking for Jewish husband.
00:20:00
DMs, Club Culture & Relationship Boundaries
Discussion of how many DMs women receive per day (5-50 range). Brian argues women have enormous sexual optionality vs men. Discussion of going to bars/clubs while in relationships — men vs women's perspective. Brian advises men never to take girlfriends to clubs. Emily explains club promoting for pay. Gina shares positive experiences at clubs with boyfriend. Debate on whether women's club-going is risky for relationships.
00:23:00
Catalina's "Pet Human" — BDSM/Findom Controversy
Catalina reveals she has a 30yo man living in her home who sleeps on a dog bed at his own request, acts as coat rack, does chores — she pays all his bills. Andrew Wilson strongly confronts her about exploitation of a potentially mentally ill person, calling it "psychotic and horrific." Catalina cries. Deborah raises concerns about modeling bad relationships for her daughter. Brian moderates. Chat donations support Andrew's position. Discussion of whether consent negates exploitation.
00:25:10
Amelia's Abusive Ex & Hair Cutting Incident
Amelia describes 6-year relationship with controlling/abusive boyfriend: he cut her hair while she was blacked out drunk (gave her a mullet), saw old messages and got jealous/enraged on drugs+alcohol. His father is wealthy (construction company, yachts, plane). She dumped him twice. He flew a girl from Oregon to live with him during their break, then still tried to reconcile. She finally left in September 2024.
00:41:20
Self-Ratings Round
Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Amelia: 8. Bridget: 9. Cali: 7-8 (said 9-10 then corrected). Gina: 7-8. Emily: 7-8. Catalina: 5. Tanya: unclear. Deborah: 7.5-8. Andrew: 10 (confidence-based). Age advancement app used — women shown aged 70 years (they react with horror). Discussion of when women peak looks-wise (consensus: late 20s to mid-30s).
00:46:40
Deborah Laeia vs Andrew Wilson: Feminism, Patriarchy & Women's Suffrage
Extended running debate between Deborah (conservative political commentator) and Andrew Wilson. Topics: whether traditional conservatism requires opposing women's suffrage, whether Deborah is a "covert feminist," women's duty to society vs luxury lifestyle, men's responsibility vs authority, whether feminism caused societal decline. Deborah calls Andrew a "griper" for his rhetoric; Andrew calls her a "LARPing conservative." Brian mediates. Debate becomes heated. They agree to a 1-on-1 formal debate in February. Deborah leaves at ~5:32 due to late hour/long drive.
01:29:40
Age Gap Relationships
Brian asks about comfort with age gap relationships (30yo + 19yo). Amelia, Emily, Tanya disagree/find it icky. Cali indifferent (5yr gap fine). Andrew defends age gaps citing women's prime reproductive years 18-26. Brian shares he has dated older women (32yo/45yo when 31). Discussion of whether 19yo can consent; Cali jokes age of consent should be 26. Andrew and Brian debate "fresh vs spoiled" language. Discussion of men's attraction to youth as biological/evolutionary.
01:36:00
Emily's Drug Dealer Boyfriend & Trust Issues
Emily reveals ex-boyfriend was a drug dealer/mule (cocaine then meth), started during their relationship. She was OK with it as long as he was safe. Found out he was cheating by checking his Spotify and Facebook, then measuring a suspicious footprint in his windshield. She watched him sleep to decide whether to confront him. Moved in together after 1 year. Brian and Andrew discuss the double standard of Emily going to bars while policing his Instagram following.
04:00:00
50/50 Dating & Gender Roles Debate
Questions from pre-show questionnaire: should women go 50/50 on first date (most disagree). Should men pay? (all say yes). Should women cook/clean? (mostly yes). Should women be submissive? (conditional yes). Brian argues asymmetry: women hold men to standards they don't hold themselves to. Deborah says chastity is a value not a trait. Discussion of broke women wanting billionaires as hypocrisy. Brian asks Deborah to commit to only dating men who make the same as her (she declines).
04:06:40
Body Count Discussion
Extended debate on whether body count matters. Emily (BC=11) argues body count is none of partner's business. Andrew explains evolutionary biology of male disgust at promiscuity. Brian gives examples of why it matters (crazy ex probability, pair bonding). Emily argues men are insecure for caring. Gina says it does matter spiritually (sex is sacred). Discussion of whether "past doesn't matter" is consistent with other standards women hold. Double standard: high-body-count men wanting low-BC women — is it hypocritical? Brian's answer: no, not hypocritical.
04:44:36
Man vs Bear Question
Classic "would you rather run into a man or a bear in the forest" question. Results: Cali (bear→man when rephrased), Bridget (man), Amelia (man), Gina (bear→man when rephrased), Emily (bear), Catalina (bear), Tanya (man). Estimated % of men who would assault them: 30% (Amelia), 90%→5% (Cali after pushback), 20% (Emily), 15% (Deborah). Brian rephrases as "random spawn" scenario — several change to man. Discussion of 10 men vs 10 bears. For daughters: most still say bear.
06:13:05
Gina vs Catalina Catfight
Near-walkout confrontation between Gina Prada and Catalina. Gina (SPEAKER_02/03) and Catalina (SPEAKER_06) escalate a dispute about Catalina's behavior on the show. Catalina calls Gina a racial slur ("black [n-word]") multiple times. Gina retaliates with body-shaming and insults about Catalina's "pet." Physical confrontation narrowly avoided (others intervene). Brian tells both to shut up. After standoff, both apologize and make up. Catalina says there is nothing wrong with using the slur as "freedom of speech."
07:00:30
Delusion Calculator & Final Questionnaire
Brian runs the female delusion calculator for Emily (0.15% probability — age 22-32, Black/Hispanic, 5'10"+, exclude obese, $60K+) and Amelia (1.5% — age 22-35, White, 5'10"+, exclude obese, $100K+). Final questionnaire topics: women not oppressed currently (some disagreement), women drafted (most disagree), age gap (discussed earlier), women equal rights (brief). Brian's closing: runs $300K/year in expenses, thanks viewers. Raid on Twitch before wrap.
07:17:30
Roast Session
Final roast session via $20 TTS donations. Chat roasts Cali for refusing to define "woman," Catalina for pet man and crying, Gina for being in bathroom, Amelia for dating down, Tanya for quiet demeanor. Chat also gives compliments to Emily/others. Brian wraps the show with twitch raid and thanks.
Transcript
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04:47:21
TTS Reader$200 dating is hard every time the one girl at the beginning that I say hey she seems nice she's cute always ends up
04:47:30
TTS Readerbeing the one in a thumbnail with Andrew the next day this is the Ker's curse the one girl at the beginning uh
04:47:41
Brian Atlasoh okay uh Kaiser thank you so much for the TTS man I do appreciate it and uh I'll let the other chats come through in a bit but uh so how tall are you Deborah and what's the minimum height of a man
04:47:52
Deborah Laeiathat you would date I am 5' n and the minimum height for me would be 6 fet because I am 6 feet in heels but I have the longest relationship I've ever been in he was actually like 5'9 and a half
04:48:04
Deborah Laeiabecause I really do believe in like I'm just one of those people that I can think people are cute when I meet them but I eventually actually get feeling based off their personality and who they are okay uh and then I want to it'd be
04:48:16
Brian Atlasnice to get everybody back seated at the table here for this one but uh I want to get into the bear thing so but not everybody's here so I have to wait uh while while we're waiting I will let
04:48:27
Brian Atlassome chats come through we have Lucas who's fed you this delusion based on the generally stated metrics I fall in the top 5% I guarantee you that my wife's past sexual Temperance was a huge litmus
04:48:39
Emilytest for me marrying her it's a monster ick for us do you have a response to this well I'm glad that that's your determinating factor for who you marry
04:48:52
Brian Atlasmhm can you take the water off the table please mhm uh and then we have beat and cheeks he says I have an idea how about grifting feminist conservatives like Deb stop trying to be argumentative show
04:49:04
Brian Atlassome respect perhaps you'll be taken serious lower your entitled standards then you'll be happy do you want respond to beaten cheeks you spelled respect long
04:49:14
Deborah Laeiawrong how dare you beaten you I just think it's funny that people will always try and say oh you're an undercover feminist like haters not genuine people people say you're a
04:49:26
Deborah Laeiafeminist you're a fake conservative it's always the extreme far right people who say this because maybe I don't share the exact same version of conservatism as they do and that doesn't change anything about me I just think it's a dumb
04:49:37
Deborah Laeiaargument because look at my record across the board I have been doing amazing things for the conservative movement for Republican candidates in this country for conservative values in my community and across the World At Large so I mean I just don't get
04:49:50
Deborah Laeiapersonally offended by anybody who doesn't know me saying things about me because that's what being social media person's all about people think they know you I happen to actually have a
04:50:01
Andrew Wilsonbook here called he has a book guys that's crazy the secret the secret history of women's Liberation written by
04:50:09
Andrew Wilsona um well a a wonderful academic um but she goes over the roots of feminism and the contrary positions that feminists will often take and one of the contrary
04:50:20
Andrew Wilsonpositions which we were just discussing that freaks you out so badly that so you get so emotional you can't even have a coherent conversation about it but what she she's trying to demonstrate is that most of the problems in modernity that
04:50:32
Andrew Wilsonyou're speaking about are tied to the suffrage movement themselves and she makes a very compelling case for this I suggest you pick up her book it's called a feminism the secret history of women's Liberation very
04:50:44
Deborah Laeiagood you called me a mandress but you clearly just get off on putting women down and that's what I just think is silly about this whole situation I've been trying to have a reasonable discussion with you and you've been freaking out the entire time this is
04:50:56
Deborah Laeiaexactly like I just I think you're showing your true colors in this sense where what I said in the beginning still stands true you're trying you're an emotional woman you're this you're freaking out when you've had the same response to me and you were so proud to
04:51:09
Deborah Laeiamake a woman cry and tell her you should be crying even though I AG I think the situation was a very bad situation but I don't think trying to make somebody you want to make for horrific people no I
04:51:22
Deborah Laeiathink that that's a bad act but I think as a person who wants to represent Godly values just going out of your way to make somebody cry and be proud of that is not a thing to be proud of I think you can get your point across and have
04:51:34
Deborah Laeiasomebody come to the light in other ways and if that makes me a fake conservative that I don't think I should go out of my way to attack people people with my words that I can use my words to change their mind and their heart she has a man she has a man sleeping in a bed on her
04:51:46
Deborah Laeiafloor defend her harder go ahead I've never defended it the whole time we had a conversation about that I said multiple things are you going to let me talk you every time I talk you talk over me but then when you talk I have to shut
04:51:58
Andrew Wilsonup lady you talk five times as much as me calm down tell me to calm down please thank you I did you can't be like I'm just going to filibuster the conversation talk for 20 minutes and you
04:52:10
Andrew Wilsoncan have 30 seconds Andrew it's ridiculous I've listened to you and I've caught myself relx it's like relax you could just have the conversation without freaking out it's not any other things you want to say to a woman like that cut
04:52:20
Andrew Wilsonme off again cutting me off again you definitely don't need to defend the horrible acts of horrible I'm not defending I'm condemning you for the way you deliver that I'm not defending her acts whatsoever I said straight up that
04:52:33
Deborah Laeiahaving a child in that environment is repeating the cycle point this is me for okay here I'll move the conversation on okay guys look I mean can I just get a point out like you don't can I just get a point out can I just get a point out
04:52:45
Deborah Laeiastop freaking out buddy babe just take a breath just take a chill just relax it's okay you don't have to be so emotional it's fine it's okay fre just don't freak out just smoke your SS and take a breath
04:52:56
Andrew Wilsonjust smoke your and take a beat sping out calm down I'm just saying to defend horrible people to ATT it's not necessary you just attack okay you're okay Andrew as somebody with autism I'm very offended yeah very offended I'm
04:53:08
Brian Atlasdeep I'm very triggered Andrew how dare you use that I mean you thinking the combo is a good look it's not a good artistic no he didn't he called you a no he didn't no he said you were spering out he didn't
04:53:20
Brian Atlassay you were Aspergers or autistic that just really shows how Godly you are do you have autism though do you think I have autism no I'm not I'm not I'm not coming for you Deborah I'm just I'm asking if you
04:53:32
Brian Atlasdo like it's not an attack I I'm probably autistic got that dog this is a point I'm trying to get commonality I'm trying to get like no we don't have autism in if we have we're still awful people all right guys we're going to
04:53:44
Brian Atlasmove it on we're going to move it on I yeah uh so okay the bear we got to do the bear guys we're doing the bear uh maybe I'll just she's in the oh my God bro everybody's getting up okay uh how
04:53:57
Brian Atlasabout before I come to the bear I'm going to get the other people's um so what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband um I mean can you til your mic down just a bit
04:54:10
CaliI mean I would say I don't care um yeah do you you want to get married maybe you don't I'm not sure right now I'm still in the process of getting divorced so you know give me some time okay uh okay
04:54:24
Brian Atlaswe're going to come back to that we'll go right into the bear now so going around the table starting with Deborah would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest I love this question um
04:54:37
Deborah Laeiaespecially when it was all over social media I thought there was a lot of funny Tik toks I wrote the bear I thought about it long and hard um I think it's just the white woman in me that I really do believe I could tame the bear
04:54:48
Deborah Laeiahonestly and that or at least hide from it and I it's a joke don't don't cry it's a joke it's okay I I joke sometimes I like comedy but I I don't know why
04:54:59
Deborah Laeiayou're still freaking out I didn't say anything it just shows a face okay so I overall I think anybody I saw in the forest I would be scared for my life if I was alone in the forest a man or a woman and I'd rather see an animal cuz cuz that's where they live and then I
04:55:12
Deborah Laeiacan hide from it but I think it's a silly question and it's funny so you pick the bear though I I do pick the bear because that's where it lives and it's not crazy to be like why is there a bear in the forest but if you're alone
04:55:24
Deborah Laeiain the woods and you see another man or woman walking I'd be like wait why are they here too that's conceivably the same reason you are to go walk in the woods Oh I thought I was like trapped in the far I thought I don't know I guess I
04:55:37
Brian Atlasassume this question is like you're lost in the forest well the way I worded it here in the questionnaire it just says would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear in the forest this doesn't there there are no implications as to
04:55:47
Brian Atlasthe reasons why anybody's in the forest there are no there's no uh suggestions that the man is a criminal he could be a criminal he could not he could be a murderer he could not the bear could be
04:55:58
Deborah Laeiauh nonthreatening the bear could also want to kill you so I don't know why I assumed on my own that I was like trapped in the forest like in the movie or in the show alone where you're just like lost in the woods if I was just on
04:56:09
Deborah Laeiaa walking path definitely a man over a bear I would say hello I'm a very social person but you said you've heard this question before you've seen all of the social media even then you still pick bear no at that point I guess there was
04:56:21
Deborah Laeiajust a lot of you wrot bear you wrote bear and you said bear because I thought the question was like if you're lost in the woods stranded I don't know why I thought that I think that's what a lot of the social media videos were about and imp they were like if you're lost in
04:56:32
Brian Atlasthe woods would you rather run into a bear or a man I was thinking about it like that I you lost in the woods yes I guess I just didn't read this clear enough oh I I've never heard it phrased
04:56:44
Brian Atlaslike you're lost in the woods cuz if you're lost in the woods I'm assuming you can't get out so wouldn't you want to run into like a man in the hopes of like he can oh it's this way got Compass
04:56:56
Deborah Laeiawell that's what the argument is about that would you rather if like let's say you're lost in the woods and you needed help would you rather run into a bear where you would have a threat or a man because men can do things they might help you but they also might you know
04:57:09
Brian Atlaswhat and I'll let every sure I'll let everybody answer uh going around the table would you rather cross paths with a man or a bear whatever you responded into the questionnaire just say man man
04:57:19
Brian Atlasman is that what you wrote in the yeah I would not want to come across you did say man okay what about you bear bear uh what about you bear all right what about you I said
04:57:31
Gina Pradabear but I took the question exactly how she did so I would change it to a man okay and then bear bear uh so those those of you who said bear going around
04:57:42
Brian Atlasagain uh why do you pick bear and why do you not pick the man why we start with debor you already provided some explanation but if you want to add anything go ahead but yeah I'll just quickly add honestly I didn't read it
04:57:54
Brian Atlasclose enough I should have not close enough I just didn't understand the context of it well even using yes okay so but so why do you pick bear and why don't you pick man is this if I'm trapped in the forest or if I'm just
04:58:05
Deborah Laeiataking a leisurely walk um much even so even if you're not trapped in the forest you always pick men yeah I don't want to be killed by a bear if I'm in like a safe environment
04:58:17
Deborah Laeiaon a walking path I wouldn't be scared to see a man in the forest but I think overall women the question why this originally came to light is because can you really trust just a random man in the forest who might have be a
04:58:29
Brian Atlaspsychopath or a murderer or any of these things let's just stick with the beend let's just what what is it are you walking or trapped uh
04:58:40
Deborah LaeiaI CH do you get why my that makes sense me logically like if I'm trapped in the forest I think I have good survival skills and I grew up very outdoorsy
04:58:50
Deborah Laeiaurban New York I live in Manhattan but I grew up we have AO surviv skills yes my family go to Montanas in the summer we learned how to build clay pigeons I went to sleep away camp I learned how to sail
04:59:02
Deborah Laeiafrom like 5 years old and up horseback riding okay why just quick answer if you can why do you pick bear why don't you pick men
04:59:11
Brian Atlaswho yeah you oh um I would not pick a why I wouldn't pick either sorry sorry why do you pick bear why don't you pick the
04:59:22
Deborah Laeiaman I would pick a bear because I'm trapped I'm sorry I'm not trying to be annoying I'm just trying to understand the question so I can give a real answer if I'm trapped I genuinely mean what I said where I've been in nature a lot in
04:59:34
Deborah LaeiaMontana and the forest and everything bears for the most part unless you upset them or you do something something you can kind of just chill out they're not going to just necessarily go after you and the reason I didn't pick a man is
04:59:45
Deborah Laeiabecause I feel like anybody outside of homesteaders who were just hanging out in the middle of the woods would see me and be like yo she would be a really good person to trap in my house but then they'd be like she talks a lot so I
04:59:57
Tanyadon't know if I want to keep her so there's that you can Yap your way out of out of the abduction I guess uh what about you uh my logic was I have a better chance of fighting a man than a bear
05:00:10
Brian Atlasoh wait so sorry um who picked ver just show a hands again okay so boom boom boom I took boom yeah okay uh why do you pick bear why don't you pick
05:00:21
Emilymen um cuz there was like this one rhyme about how to survive when you encounter like each color bear like a white bear black bear brown bear I don't remember how it goes I'm going have to refresh my
05:00:33
Emilymemory before I go out into the woods but it was like it was like oh for one bear you got to like make look big for one of the Bears you should make yourself look small or like be still as
05:00:44
Emilypossible and for one of the Bears you just run so I think knowing those kind of ground rules would help me survive and like you said it's a bear's natural habitat like I'm the one disturbing its
05:00:55
Emilypeace so I would just leave it alone but a male you know you can be ESS they have all these different torture methods in their head that probably a bear wouldn't conjure up or access to these different
05:01:06
Amelia Davisweapons y sure so okay um could be assade could be murdered totally get it what about you okay so I would have pick the bear because I used to live in Lake Arrowhead and I see Bears all the time and if you don't bother bother them
05:01:17
Amelia Davisthey're not going to do anything to you and I would not pick a man because uh of my horrible experiences with men my first grade um third grade crush he had
05:01:28
Amelia Davisintentions of going to the mountains to um are me and then M me and it was just like third grade no like I met him in third grade he was my first
05:01:40
Amelia Davisand years later we reconnected and I know his hidden agenda and this a guy that I knew so imagine a random man that I don't know to if he had that intention to do that to me what's a random man
05:01:50
Brian Atlasgoing to see a pretty girl in the forest walking around so all right so the man could essay or could murder you okay uh what about you why don't you or why do you pick bear why don't you pick man um
05:02:02
CaliI picked the bear because I definitely have bear spray if I'm in the woods so I come prepared um which would conceivably be just as effective on a man but um I don't know the man's intentions I know
05:02:15
Calithe Bear's intentions I like that who who would be able to charge you faster a man or a bear a bear um I mean probably the bear but I mean so would
05:02:27
Brian Atlasthe bear spray be just as effective on the man I would still choose the bear okay and so um so I didn't mean to interrupt you though uh you were explaining why you pick the bear why don't you pick the
05:02:39
Calithe man uh you were mentioning you had bear spray what else I don't know the man's intentions why is he in the woods what's he doing there sure why am I walking across him yeah so just um I
05:02:52
Brian Atlasguess I would feel more scared seeing a man than a bear okay and the fear there would be he could potentially sa you he could murder you is that yeah I mean I don't I don't know his intentions right
05:03:03
Brian Atlasbut those that's the concern I'm assuming right yeah okay um and then if I do change the the question a little bit I don't know if this will elicit a different response uh you randomly spawn
05:03:14
Brian Atlasin the forest you then like Survivor they Dr me off just engage you randomly spawn in the forest uh hold on okay you randomly
05:03:24
Brian Atlasspawn in the forest in front of you two buttons also randomly spawn you can pick a random man to spawn or you can pick a random bear to spawn you will cross
05:03:35
Calipaths with either one it's not like they're you will cross paths does that change your answer at all or I would choose the man then really yeah I feel like you know it's not like it's random
05:03:46
Caliif I'm choosing you know and if I'm just dropped off there um and it's not like I would have bear spray you know handy if I expect to encounter a bear so yeah but
05:03:58
Caliyou wouldn't have the bear spray for the man either yeah but it's different it's randomly spawned right it's not like someone's just there waiting and I just stumble upon them this is the context of
05:04:09
Deborah Laeiathe change anything for you or no still be I mean I've encountered Bears multiple timesing so still be still bear okay um I think it would change for me a little bit because then also it's not like why are you doing in the woods we
05:04:21
Brian Atlascan make like friendship over the fact we both just spawned you know this is interesting that how like you frame a question even by just changing it slightly can change people's answers I mean this is actually really common with studies and why I think these like
05:04:32
Brian Atlassurvey studies are actually [ __ ] because you can like change one word like you can even change a totally benign non word in a study and you'll
05:04:41
Brian Atlasget a different response from people but um anyways back to the point at hand uh if you had to um oh sorry go ahead yeah
05:04:52
Brian Atlasso it is it would almost occur to me though those of you who like kind of change your answer wouldn't like wouldn't there be a bigger fear for the
05:05:01
Brian Atlasbutton push because like you say why is the man there in the forest but I kind of feel like there
05:05:10
Brian Atlaswould be more reason for him being in the forest that seems benign versus like you random like you randomly spawn the guy like the guy in the forest is probably just going on a hike or some
05:05:22
Deborah Laeia[ __ ] I don't know I don't know maybe I have trauma for men people do things also when nobody's looking that's what creates it like when people are in private environments that's why a lot of essays happen and close doors go out so
05:05:35
Brian Atlaslet me let me get through a couple more things here um so your concern you guys's concern is like the risk of sa and the risk that they physically harm you murder you whatever um what what percentage of men do you think would be
05:05:48
Amelia Davislike what percentage of men do you think would do this to you 30% 30% okay what about you 90%
05:05:58
Brian Atlasbecause how that almost happened to me 90% okay like 20 20% and then Deborah what per say like 15ish 15 so that was
05:06:09
Brian Atlasuh I'm sorry did you said 20 what 30 excuse me so it's 30 90 20 and then 15 okay I'm just curious
05:06:20
Brian Atlasfor uh you guys have any male siblings do you have a brother how many brothers do you have I have one older brother okay um do you have a brother I have two brothers okay um are you prepared to say
05:06:31
Brian Atlasthat 90% of your male family members including cousins would essay or murder woman I think there's like a small percentage of men that will do that not not counting my family cuz you said it was 90% amount yeah well my chances were
05:06:43
Amelia Davis90% I missed it about an hour that happening to me in the forest with a man that I knew that I I liked first no but you said 90% of men so this would have to oh actually I I I retract that statement sorry so I guess there's a
05:06:56
Brian Atlassmall percentage of men that would do that what percent maybe 5% then oh now that I've thrown your 90% of your family under yeah so you did that I was like no
05:07:05
Calibut made more sense 30% of your male family members uh are Grapist or murderers um most of them are dead but I mean I was almost essayed by a family
05:07:16
Brian Atlasmember when I was three so yeah okay and then going to you uh 20% of your family members are inclined to Grape or
05:07:27
Emilymurder not my family just like the general population like 20% of all men what makes your family is so much Superior well cuz I haven't experienced anything like that with my family
05:07:38
Deborah Laeiamembers I was not thinking of the general population of men like and deor you willing to throw 15% of your family members uh not because of this I knew this question was coming next I still thought 15 when I said it was a little
05:07:49
Deborah Laeiabit Grand but I was also thinking about Society at large but no definitely not in my family they're very much value protecting women being strong men making
05:07:59
Brian Atlassure like I said and Tak care of and also on this uh does it change for anybody here if it's 10 men versus 10 Bears wait sor was that 10 men versus 10
05:08:11
Brian Atlasbearss so awkward to see in a forest does that change anything for the bear 10 men at the same time yeah 10 men together 10 Bears together and you cross paths with them i' rather see 10 men
05:08:24
Amelia Davisdoes that change anything for you maybe I still stick with bears yeah I need a second to process I still stick with Bears still stick with bear what about you H I don't know either well do you
05:08:36
Amelia Davisneed time or Deborah I'm thinking if they're good men then men if they're not good men then bears are they the island are
05:08:44
Deborah Laeiathey sorry what said are they Boy Scouts are army it's just random men then yeah out of the population I think the men would be better because if I like I gave
05:08:56
Deborah Laeiamy number I think it's a very small percentage of men in society who really have that within them to take advantage of a woman and overpower her and I do think given it's 10 men hopefully the majority of them are good men like the kind of guys who hold their friends in
05:09:09
Deborah Laeiacheck that are like don't do that or you need to treat her better so I'd like to think that with 10 men there'd be at least the majority of them would be good men and keep the peace hopefully if you were in the position where you guys had
05:09:21
Andrew Wilsonto choose for somebody else in this case your daughter you're not choosing for you but instead you're choosing your daughters spawned into a forest with a random man or a random bear would your
05:09:31
Catalinaanswer change no yes yes yes my answer would not change so way you would change from men to I know I I've really well if it's a fe I would say female bear oh well I'd say
05:09:42
Catalinafemale Bears yeah because animals tend to be more protective over children innocent children there's been stories of like children falling in zoos and gorillas pick them up and take care of
05:09:52
Brian Atlasthem so I don't know not Bears though like wait oh I really quick on that really quick on that um Okay zoo enclosure would you prefer your daughter
05:10:02
Catalinato fall in the gorilla enclosure or the human male enclosure gorilla harambe all day
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Catalinaharambe I guess it because the intention of the bear or the [ __ ] human you know whatever I I don't I guess it could go either way I I don't how bad intentions people do it's my daughter a
05:10:24
Deborah Laeiaman because I don't think she could outrun a bear does this not highlight the difference in society though that we have to think about it and that men if they were put in this they would never think twice about being put with 10
05:10:34
Deborah Laeiawomen or 10 Bears give me the girls all day long does that not speak to women and and Men I guess maybe I would choose the men I just think it's all intention you would CH you would change
05:10:46
Amelia Davisyour answer to Bear Che I I know I'm I'm so indecisive I I would like to say I would like to say men but it's because animals don't have bad intentions and people do animals do some whack things
05:10:57
Andrew Wilsonin nature though animal predictable hang hang on guys guys guys on the pan just one second real quick Sor uh J One what were you saying I was saying if it's between
05:11:09
Caliyou know my three-year-old being in the woods coming upon a man or a bear I would choose the man because you know why do you think that the man would not if you if you think that uh you have the
05:11:21
Calihigh likelihood that a man would essay you or do something horrible to you uh why is it that you think you wouldn't do that to her um I think it would be more likely for me because I'm a woman she's a child
05:11:34
Andrew Wilsonso I think he would be more opted to protect her unless he's a Poe so so so if so if it if you had to choose behalf of somebody else well let's say your
05:11:45
Andrew Wilsondaughter was 17 would you make the same decision she'd be better off with the bear at that point so you would Spawner in with the bear rather than a random
05:11:56
Andrew Wilsonman yes so assuming for all everybody in the panel if you you have a 17-year-old daughter and you have to choose would your would your answer change from bear to man those of you who selected bear no
05:12:08
Andrew Wilsonno still be bear that almost happened to me when I was 17 so why would not happen to her yeah if you were in an argument with your significant other and the two of you had to choose for some reason
05:12:19
Andrew Wilsonthat if she spawned in with a man or the bear and he said the man and you said the bear would you defa to his judgment yes no
05:12:29
Amelia Davisno okay I make that decision CU I trust him if I'm married to him gotcha okay I'm going to have experience what's that so I'm going off
05:12:40
Amelia Davisexperiences that I've had so I'm not saying all men are the same but just like how many bears have you seen a lot actually like Arad and how many you five I can that were like in close encounter with me too like so and they didn't do
05:12:53
Andrew Wilsonanything but walked the other way went to trash can valid question I was amazed at how many women who answer this on the bear question make claims of of of how many bears they've seen I mean I go in the wilderness constantly I have my
05:13:05
Andrew Wilsonentire life I've been a hunter my essentially my entire adulthood and uh I've only ever had actually two random bear encounters and in totality and I mean I'm out all the time in country
05:13:18
Andrew Wilsonwhich is bare country where do you live so maybe animal attracted to me go mean I've hunted all over the us but uh right now I'm in Michigan um and uh yeah definitely tons of black bears in
05:13:31
Andrew WilsonMichigan especially in the grounds I hunt and it's like very rarely do you ever come across them but somehow the women who answer to this question seem to have seen significantly more bears than I
05:13:41
Deborah Laeiahave many videos went to camp in I went to camp in Pennsylvania and the Bears would eat the trash every single week like literally multiple times a week and so there was always
05:13:53
Deborah Laeiabear stuff so we had to learn very young like what to do with bears I feel like they're pretty common in Pennsylvania all over and the East Coast they're common for me they're common at they're common at campgrounds especially when
05:14:05
Catalinathere's garbage around and stuff like that I agree with that but random in the forest are they're pretty rare right they're pretty R you know I spent 6 months out in the wilderness in like high school and I never once encountered a bear I encountered all kinds of
05:14:17
Deborah Laeiadifferent things but never like a random bear just popped up out of nowhere I saw an elk and a bear in Montana are pretty common all right um together no but like a few minutes apart Elks are huge I've
05:14:29
Brian Atlasnever seen I see them all Washington chased you brought up double standards earlier and this does fall into a line with one of the questionnaire questions not hypocritical for high body count men
05:14:40
Brian Atlasto prefer to date low body count or virgin women uh Deborah you disagree disagreed I think I messed up on that one okay that's Fine's um not
05:14:52
Brian Atlashypocritical for high body count men yeah I think fair I think that's totally valid uh I don't know why I circled that sorry cie you did disagree I think that was fair too yeah Amelia you disagreed on that
05:15:05
Brian Atlasactually I didn't understand the question Emily you also disag okay okay you did also disagree Emily nothing for honestly Karina you did
05:15:15
Brian Atlasnot uh disagree on anything Tanya disagreed yeah so um it was like double standard right you think it's a double standard like if a guy with a high body
05:15:26
Brian Atlascount he would prefer to dated woman with a low body count or a virgin oh sorry yes what's wrong with that oh let me hold on before I have you answer
05:15:39
TTS ReaderI'm going to let this through then we'll get right back to it practicing gentleman donated $200 if it was a starved bear or an evil man and both were fully intent on making
05:15:50
TTS Readersure you had a bad day with nothing happening being the best outcome which do you think you could escape from misia if it was a starved bear and an
05:16:00
Andrew Wilsonevil man and both were fully intent on making sure you had a bad day oh God maybe an nothing happening being the best outcome yeah so the the intentionality this is a really good phrasing of this so now we
05:16:13
Andrew Wilsonknow the intention the bear wants to eat your face and the man wants to eat your face so both of them definitely have really want you to have the worst day of your life spawned in and you can choose
05:16:24
Amelia Davisbetween them does your answer change then biologically a bear would be 10 times stronger 10 times faster and 10 times more aggressive than an evil man I can gadge his eyes out and or like try to fight for my life but I can't really fight for my life with a bear so it
05:16:37
Andrew Wilsonwould be harder change anything for you do I have the bear spray if I have the bear spray what should say in both cases you have the bear spray I would choose the
05:16:47
Emilybear on a bear yeah well if he can't [ __ ] see he can't find me uh yeah I think I'd still choose the bear how how
05:16:56
Deborah Laeiafast can bears run still bear Deborah fast um no it would probably be a man because I don't know where bare parts are to kick them in honestly it be kind of hard to Gad his eyes out when they're
05:17:09
Deborah Laeiaso big so and I could be taller than the man which is very likely because I'm very tall a bear no chance no chance with the bear uh so going back to the double standard question though uh not
05:17:20
Brian Atlashypocritical for highb count uh men to prefer to date low body count virgin women uh you disagreed I think maybe you disagreed c yeah you did um what what would actually be wrong with like a guy
05:17:33
Caliwho's got a high body count preferring to date a low body count woman or a virgin or what makes it hyp critical I guess yeah I wouldn't I mean right preference is just preference but I think it's hypocritical because Practice
05:17:45
CaliWhat You Preach so if you think that you know your partner should have less partners then you should have less Partners as well that's hypocritical that's I'll I'll respond to that but uh em Emily what about you yeah I agree
05:17:56
Deborah Laeiaverbatim and then same thing I was trying to get out yeah I also I think now I realize I did mean to Circle that question yeah me too you're the minority here please speak on this one yeah oh
05:18:09
Brian Atlasyeah well I mean I guess you know a lot of you also kind of simultaneously uh circled women uh should go 50 or you disagree that women should go 50-50 on first AIDS why is it
05:18:22
Brian Atlasthat women are allowed to H hold men to standards that they themselves would not you know uphold themsel for example if your position is men should pay for First Dates wouldn't you be hypocritical
05:18:33
Brian Atlasfor saying that for like the other person should pay for the first dat wouldn't that make you a hypoc I didn't hold that position okay well but the other a lot of the other women here said men should pay for first AIDS women
05:18:45
Brian Atlasshould not go 50/50 it is H so why is it that if a man desires a trait in a partner that he doesn't himself possess why are women allowed to do this very
05:18:57
Brian Atlasthing with like the Myriad of traits that they desire in men but they don't possess themselves I'll give you more examples besides just women wanting men to pay for first AIDS but you guys won't
05:19:08
Brian Atlaspay for a first date ever so how about you want a guy who's taller than you but you're not tall you want a guy who's funny but you're not funny you want a guy who's charismatic but you're not
05:19:19
Brian Atlascharismatic you want a guy to lead but you're not a leader you want a guy to be dominant but you're not dominant you want the guy to be masculine but you're not masculine the reality is is that there's all kinds of asymmetries when it
05:19:31
Brian Atlascomes to dating but you guys are totally fine with the asymmetries that benefit you but when there's an asymmetry that doesn't benefit you you'll frequently you'll just say that's a double standard can I respond to that sure I think that
05:19:43
Deborah Laeiathat is the obvious like the most obvious not non-argument I guess in a sense where those are all traits that you listed being funny being not funny things of that those are traits characteristics but characteristics but sexual partners is choices that you make
05:19:57
Brian Atlasevery single time and there are health risks associated with it is Chastity a choice or sorry no excuse me is Chastity a trait is being virgin being a virgin a
05:20:09
Deborah Laeiatrait it's a virtue I mean it's definitely the people that hold that with their life near and dear I think waiting till marriage is absolutely a trait and that's why if you wanted that's something not a trait I think it's a value not a trait I think that's
05:20:21
Brian Atlasa value so so hold on so you're saying that uh uh the amount of sexual partners you've had that is
05:20:30
Deborah Laeiawhat decisions and choices wait so I can't huh no like if you choose to have sex with 100 women that was your choice to make every single time but if you're funny like I don't think you can choose to be funny
05:20:44
Brian Atlasor not or things of that nature you can't choose to be tall what is someone's choice to do or not do something how what does that have to do with the argument because you can have values those traits if you want somebody who doesn't match your trait that's
05:20:57
Brian Atlasdifferent than not matching your values if I say I'm funny or I'm not I think I'm funny hold on I I have to interrupt you Deborah you said that the you want a
05:21:05
Brian Atlasguy with a to make a minimum income of 200,000 that's a choice he's taking specific actions
05:21:16
Brian Atlasyeah I think that's a choice that benefits himself but I I think making money you wait just just so I understand the argument the argument is men are not allowed to disqualify women based on
05:21:28
Deborah Laeiawomen's choices they can only they can only disqualify based on traits no I think you can totally disqualify in anything you want because it's your partner that you're looking for but when
05:21:38
Deborah Laeiait comes to just the body count alone or not the body count but a man who has had multiple sexual partners why does he want a woman with less sexual partners is it because he values the fact that a
05:21:50
Deborah Laeiawoman is not promiscuous because that's different and those are different values if you yourself are no offense to anybody here but if you're filming only fans and you're saying I want somebody who's a religious God-fearing Christian
05:22:01
Deborah Laeiathat's not those are choices that you're both making but I don't think it's fair or normal to expect that and so in the same way way it depends on the value behind it I think having a high number
05:22:11
Deborah Laeiaof sexual partners corresponds with your values and therefore I don't think it's as simple as I want somebody taller than me or things like that but when it comes to splitting the money I so wait let's
05:22:22
Deborah Laeiatry help me categorize this so promiscuity is not a trait it's a value no I think it can be a prom being sexually promiscuous I think can definitely be a trait that people have
05:22:36
Deborah Laeiathere's also people that go through phases where like they might celibate and then I don't know or they like abstain from sex I think every if you have a let's say you've had sex with 100 women I think every single time even when you got to 75 you chose to keep
05:22:49
Deborah Laeiagoing that's your individual choice to make but something that's a immutable characteristic like your height I think those are things that you didn't necessarily you didn't choose those you were born like that so if you want
05:23:01
Brian Atlassomebody who's taller than you I think that's so your argument is it's better to reject people because of things that are out of their control versus things that are in their control no the opposite I think it's valid you just
05:23:13
Brian Atlassaid you said valid to not date a guy because of his height not valid if a guy doesn't want to date a woman because she's slept with a 100 men no I was saying the exact opposite I think no that's exactly what you're saying no I was saying that if somebody wants
05:23:25
Deborah Laeiasomebody's height things that they can't change those aren't choices that you let me ref let me hold on you confus me by saying that I don't I don't agree with that I'm not saying that I think that there's a major difference between
05:23:37
Deborah Laeiasomebody who has a high level of sexual partners that situation than there is between somebody being funny here let me change it then fine I'll move it off of immutable characteristics so um a man
05:23:49
Brian Atlaswho how about this would you disagree with me that there are plenty of broke women who would love to date a billionaire no I don't disagree at all and I think that's okay hold on but is that a is that
05:24:01
Deborah Laeiahypocritical for the woman who's broke to find rich men attractive not attractive but to only want them because of the value of the financial value I do think that's incredibly hypocritical they made poor financial choices their
05:24:14
Deborah Laeiaentire life and then just expecting them man to take care of them because they're lazy and they don't work then that's not I don't think that would make them hypocritical that's not how's that
05:24:25
Deborah Laeiahypocrisy understand that because a person who made poor financial choices their whole life and then is expecting somebody who made good Financial choices well I don't know if hypocritical would be the right word but I don't think that's valid like I don't think it would
05:24:38
Deborah Laeiabe fair for somebody who was dirt broke living on the side of the street to think that they were a perfect they deserve somebody they deserve somebody I want a commitment from you
05:24:49
Brian Atlastonight on the show unless you're willing to just be a hypocrite you are from here on out you're only allowed to date a man who makes the exact same
05:25:00
Brian Atlasamount of money as you you you can't go above you can't go above otherwise you're a hypocrite why can't I go above I hold on you can't go yeah because because because if you go $10 above
05:25:12
Andrew Wilsonright let's just say you only went $10 above you're only going to dat to man toate $10 more than you made right then if we extend that out what would actually be the problem with a poor woman right going after a rich man there
05:25:25
Andrew Wilsonwouldn't be any problem right you're just all you're doing is just it's just a matter of degrees at that point would you date the bilon yes would you date a billionaire probably that's really hypocritical of you you're not a billionaire you don't know what my bank
05:25:36
Deborah Laeiaaccount looks like I'm not a billion but I am reverse you're not a billionaire I'm not a billionaire I would love to be a billionaire but I am thank God very
05:25:46
Deborah Laeiafinancially literate I I'm a hustler and I love to work so I can I can expect that from my partner as well right can I have some cash I can do some charity
05:25:57
Brian Atlaswork go get is it is it nonprofit deductible what charity are you well you know I'm I'm going through some legal things so if you want to like you know help out big
05:26:09
Deborah Laeiahe's saying he wants a sugar mama you want a sugar mama I I brought you out here hustle you have your money I I mean I've been a sugar mama to my boyfriend before so I can just expect the same thing back I think that somebody who
05:26:21
Deborah Laeiamakes certain choices in life in this in a sense it lines with their values and so get your C for somebody who makes good financial decisions I think they can learn from
05:26:33
Deborah Laeiasomebody who is even better or more successful than them in the same way where let's say I have an aspiration sorry to be a comedian my ex-boyfriend was actually a comedian maybe he made me funnier things like that can I ask you a question did you play any sports in
05:26:46
Brian Atlasschool or anything I did uh like but did you ever play at the professional level or in college no no well I I don't know if college is professional but um would you would you date a professional
05:26:57
Deborah Laeiaathlete I would it's a trick question because it's not a trick question think for the just the job title of it like somebody who was a professional athlete because
05:27:08
Deborah Laeiapassion yes but I know that people in spotlights athletes things of that are in Worlds where there's a lot of Temptation I don't think it's like dating a DJ to me I don't think that would perfectly align with he'll be loyal he'll never it wouldn't be ideal
05:27:21
Deborah Laeiafor me I would rather somebody a little bit more behind the scenes or at least Less in a major thing where they're flying across the world with their team and all that stuff that's just a personal preference of mine but like I would I think it's important for my
05:27:33
Deborah Laeiapartner to be athletic or a better example for you Brian health I am obsessed with work working out cold plunging Wellness everything about that living a very healthy lifestyle I would never marry somebody or even date somebody who did not Value Health that
05:27:45
Deborah Laeiais a huge important value to me and whether they were extremely overweight or just really unhealthy um that's a huge turnoff to me and that's something that it's a choice but it's also gu for
05:27:57
Brian Atlasme I guess the point I'm trying to make is that when it comes back to like this hypocrisy thing so I don't think there's anything wrong with a man who has a high high body count who wants to date a
05:28:09
Brian Atlaswoman with a low body count or a virgin simply because one I think there's asymmetry between what men and women want and then secondly it's just look
05:28:17
Brian Atlaswomen all the time chase after men who possess a myriad of traits behaviors perhaps they have a you know they've accured certain things in their life
05:28:28
Brian Atlaswhether material or otherwise that they themselves do not possess I don't think that makes women Hypocrites I don't think it makes men Hypocrites when they do the same thing yeah and I think I
05:28:38
Andrew Wilsonthink people get actually confused about what hypocrisy means so hypocrisy is not saying I have no money but want to date a person with money it's saying I have no money and want to date a person with
05:28:49
Andrew Wilsonmoney but you who has no money should not try to date a person with money that would be hypocrisy so so people get this really very skewed idea of what being hypocritical even is it's uh I I don't
05:29:01
Andrew Wilsonunderstand that either but they they seem to so yeah it's not hypocrisy to say I have a high body count want a person with a low body count it would be hypocrisy to say but you as a person with a high body count should not want a
05:29:13
Andrew Wilsonperson with a low body count that would then be what would make it hypocracy
05:29:26
Andrew Wilsonw any push back by the way just like how women you guys think women lose value what do they actually teach you guys in college I'd like to know like what how what do they what like what do they
05:29:36
Deborah Laeiateach in college I I'm starting college group of women for him to put down I really I don't I don't like that I didn't put down women I put down
05:29:48
Amelia Daviscolleges but he put down the colle just starting College I canot say but the girls who got their degrees they can probably answer that question better why like every time there's any any push back to anything that means
05:30:01
CaliAndrew hates women like just stop with the feminism you're such a hater Andrew such a hater okay Andrew always says even if it was a man he would say the same thing but I don't see any men in
05:30:11
Andrew Wilsonthese chairs but just how like you guys think women but you will often if you go to podcast and watch me debate them in the studio which I do all the time I've actually never seen any of those videos
05:30:22
Catalinayou should go watch them they're quite good I should actually you should become a fan of the whatever think there's more successful people in college or more successful people that didn't go to
05:30:31
Brian Atlascollege it even break I think uh okay you dis agree with adult age Gap relationships example a 30-year-old dating a
05:30:42
Brian Atlas19-year-old Cali you disagree wait I'm sorry Amelia disagree a 30-year-old dating 19-year-old yeah Emily disagree with age
05:30:53
Amelia DavisGap Tanya you disagree with age Gap relationships any 30-year-old looking to have a relationship with a 19-year-old D just weird why because she's super young and you just want to take advantage of
05:31:04
Amelia Davisher really because she has no life experiences to um conduct herself in that relationship if you're doing something wrong to her she do think it's normal her brain isn't done developing why do you want her that's weird she's like a little kid
05:31:16
Amelia Davisstill you mean she's in okay so should uh 18-year-old women not be allowed to vote I mean if they weren't allowed then why is that a law when you're 18 you're
05:31:28
Amelia Davisable to vote well why is it a law that the age of consent is 18 so they can they can have a consensual relationship 30-year-olds have more experience obviously in the dating world and old like that me for example I did a
05:31:40
Amelia Davis20-year- old I shouldn't really when I was 17 because I didn't have life experiences or anything to like say oh this is wrong what he's doing to me talking about adult relationships here okay well that's what I'm saying like a
05:31:51
Brian Atlas19-year-old wouldn't know how to be with an adult like that or what do you mean I don't know I feel like she' be too young she wouldn't know how to conduct herself really you said take advantage of I mean like of her mindset because she's you don't think a 20-year-old could take
05:32:04
Deborah Laeiaadvantage of another 20-year-old yeah sorry to interrupt it was great being on with all you guys I have to leave you knew I had a heart out I stayed almost an hour before this I literally wrote you a note and I texted you about it
05:32:16
Deborah Laeiabefore the show I have a 2our plus drive back to LA alone in the dark it was great being on with you follow me on Instagram the de Lea thanks everybody it was beautiful having you Brian would never heard a fly never oh thank you thank you Deborah
05:32:28
Brian Atlasappreciate it thank you for coming have a good night get home safely love it was nice meeting you nice to meet you de have a good day all right
05:32:39
Caliyep uh so anyways uh so I guess uh what's your position kind of um my position is it seems that man wants an
05:32:49
Brian Atlasapprentice he doesn't want an equal or a partner do women want equals to be equal yes you just heard a table full of women saying they don't want to pay for First Dates they don't want to take any
05:33:00
Amelia Davisinitiative they don't just the first dat after that they 50/50 in the relationship like just the let's from other Emily what's your objection to uh age Gap
05:33:11
Emilyrelationships um did I put like a little swivel on that one maybe you underlined it I mean yeah I think just like within reasonable range 30 to 19 yeah no I
05:33:21
Emilythink like too much of a discrepancy in maturity level makes that an issue but there are some really mature like 20y olds you know people are mothers at that young age they've experienced different
05:33:34
Emilylevels of life than maybe another 20-year-old so it just depends on ick um a little it depends on how they met I guess if it's kind of like it seems like they're praying or grooming them then yeah that's a problem but in what way
05:33:46
Emilywould they be praying like what is what does that mean to pray like oh waiting until they turn 18 or 19 or a reasonable let's assume they met when uh this woman was already an
05:33:58
Emilyadult so there's not like yeah it's genuine genuine connection genuine experience getting to know each other then yeah sure okay and then you dis dis agreed why do you disagree I mean I was
05:34:10
Tanyawith someone that was 12 years older for 9 years but yeah to each had their own like JayZ Beyonce or 12 years apart it works sometimes now do you want to just scoot into the table maybe permanently
05:34:22
Tanyaso you can be on the microphone and yeah I don't have to remind you for the 30th time but okay yeah 19 I think is a little young for
05:34:30
Brian Atlassomeone being 30 something okay all right um it gives you the ick yeah okay all right
05:34:41
Calium can you guys actually make a compelling like argument why it's wrong I did uh I mean I think because
05:34:52
Caliher brain isn't then developing um I think obviously he's choosing someone who's a lot younger and more inexperience and has also just come
05:35:02
Caliout of high school so ew like you know you as a 30 old man why are you dating someone who just came out of a high school like is that you know um you can't get better like well I mean you
05:35:16
Brian Atlasdon't want someone who's going to challenge you you don't want someone who who what would be better I don't want I don't want somebody to challenge mature mature yeah it's more mature what do you mean more mature mentally more mature once you want to date if you're 30 years
05:35:29
Amelia Davisold why won you date a woman that's actually like mentally mature than a girl that's 19 not a woman who is UN mentally immature well she is I met some 19 are pretty damn mentally mature I mean well going to like my situation I
05:35:41
Amelia Daviswas 17 I wasn't mature yet and I let him take full advantage of me so and I thought it was perfectly fine how old was he when 20 when you met yeah he was 20 and I was 17 two months before I turned 18 and yeah but I mean if he was
05:35:53
Amelia Davis18 wait there two months before you turned 18 how long did you do him since 20198 and I broke up with him this year what wait is this the yeah the same guy six year I only been him one year like
05:36:06
Brian AtlasSer like not one year so wait two months into the relationship you were 18 and then he was still 20 mhm that's not much of an age Gap no it's
05:36:17
Amelia Davisnot but he was more mature though than I was obviously cuz he had been through more relationships and I haven't so I mean is it would it be that weird though for an 18-year-old to be dating a 20 I
05:36:28
Andrew Wilsondon't think that's weird 22 or a 21y old in this case I was like 18 to 21 I'm saying the M was more mature than I was I don't think we would consider that an
05:36:40
Amelia Davisage Gap talking 10 years is like yeah 10 years a little bit like a little bit too much 5 years is fine
05:36:50
Amelia Davismhm saying I was immature at 17 so I can imagine like a 19-year-old not being that mature for um compared to a 30-year-old does that make sense or am I wrong or you think a 19-year-old has has
05:37:01
Andrew Wilsonthe same maturity levels as a 30-year-old man well I'm I'm not sure that people are looking for relationship based around various maturity levels like um I think that people have pequ
05:37:13
Andrew Wilsonvery different interests and I see men who are 30 with very immature women who are 35 and I see women who are 30 with very immature men both are 25 right so the thing is is like I'm not sure that
05:37:24
Andrew Wilsonyou can just say well you're an adult and because of this we're just going to make this kind of like bracket where even though you're an adult we're just going to assume that you're too stupid to make the decision as to who you want to date that just kind of seems absurd
05:37:37
Andrew Wilsonto me would you be okay if it was your daughter one of would you be so I wouldn't be okay with my daughter dating anybody ever uh and no father ever is so
05:37:49
Andrew Wilsonit doesn't really matter if there was an age Gap or not all fathers hate all boys who date their daughters so I'm not really sure how that's particularly relatable I wouldn't care if she was with or dating a guy 20 years older I
05:38:02
Andrew Wilsonwould hate him or if she was dating a guy who was around her same age I would hate that guy too so fair okay okay all right really quick I guess on this um I guess even kind of granting
05:38:15
Brian Atlasyour your guys's positions that maybe it's like icky or whatever predatory or whatever it's um take advantage of whatever um if you were trying to like
05:38:25
Brian Atlasconvince men to date women their age like aside from like if you have to P put away like the shaming and that sort
05:38:34
Brian Atlasof uh stuff can you actually like make an argument for like why like what are the benefits of dating an older woman she has her [ __ ] together and you don't have to really like provide for
05:38:48
Amelia Davisher like you would do for like a younger person who doesn't have their stuff together when you're 30 if you're still single is the guy going to have to provide for you no cuz you should she should already be um able to provide for GU need to Pro really yeah I I hope when
05:39:00
Andrew WilsonI'm 30d and will to provide for myself and have to rely on a man okay yeah but if it's a provider argument then this one's um I I guess the counter to that that I would give would be uh I think yes you would have to provide for the
05:39:12
Andrew Wilson18-year-old or 19-year-old or even 20-year- old if you're a man in their 30s uh but they would have significantly less baggage and so it might actually be more inexpensive to provide for that
05:39:24
Andrew Wilsonperson with less baggage than the woman in her 30s with more baggage might be far less expensive she might for uh for instance the accrual of debt that a woman would have in her 30s versus at at
05:39:35
Andrew Wilson1819 you would have to admit the chances are going to be way higher that she has aced a lot of debt by the time she's 30 that is true so for financial reason I'm I'm not sure that like the financial
05:39:47
Andrew Wilsonargument is the best one I think you're right that the woman would be able to provide a better standard of life for herself perhaps but that doesn't mean that she would necessarily be less expensive for the man that is true
05:40:02
Amelia Davisyeah like I look for a provider I don't know if Brian walked out or not yeah like I look for a provider but also know like I would like to be a provider myself too I'm just not I'm not relying solely on the man to take care of me 24/7 yeah but I mean would you be
05:40:15
Andrew Wilsonopposed to it no I I wouldn't either if it comes natural natural you wouldn't be opposed to it either so the idea here is that I think there's also 18 19 20y old girls who would like to be provided for as well and I think that um the type of
05:40:27
Andrew Wilsonmen who can provide for them generally going to be established and probably in their 30s so give like here I can give you a good idea of this uh women's uh reproductive years generally they're
05:40:40
Andrew Wilsonlike Prime reproductive years somewhere around 18 years old to let's say 26 27 right it's kind of the the prime it's not that they can't have babies fast that they can I'm just saying it's easier on their bodies the labor is less
05:40:52
Andrew Wilsonintense the babies are generally a bit healthier you know bounce back faster yeah yeah you bounce back from it faster because you're younger right your body can take it and heal quicker if that is
05:41:02
Andrew Wilsonthe case if if a woman is expected to have babies in those years it seems reasonable to me that a woman would expect to be provided for in those years and younger men are going to have a harder time doing that than men in their
05:41:14
Andrew Wilson30s for instance so wouldn't it make sense if women sexually selected for men in their 30s if they wanted to have children yeah I see your point of view there I mean that makes that makes total
05:41:26
Andrew Wilsonsense to me it's like okay now now your reproductive years you're taking care of men around my own age bracket can't do that but you can that actually makes
05:41:34
Andrew Wilsonsense to me it does as well to me yeah so that I mean I guess um you know I guess there's really no argument there Cher one what do you think you were giving me that look like you were G you
05:41:46
Caliwere giving me the look come on what what is it what well I mean it was it was over the argument about debt I mean in the state of California when you marry someone you don't acrew their debt
05:41:58
Caliyou only acrew you know half the amount of their debt that you acred during the marriage believe me I know this so I just didn't really see that as a valid AR as like oh you should wait wait their credit you're going to well you would still have to deal with it right so
05:42:12
Andrew Wilsonyou're still going to have to deal with whatever their credit is you're going to have to deal with uh if they and if by the way if they have debt I think it's reasonable inide of marriages generally debt is shared even if technically the
05:42:23
Andrew Wilsonlaw says it's not like in the state of California in this instance I think that most people put away for their retirement together if you're putting away for the retirement together why wouldn't you be sharing the debt I mean
05:42:35
Andrew Wilsonit it that does seem to be the case at most people shared Deb right yeah I mean it's just not what I experienced personally so um yeah but I mean if you were in a if you had another husband
05:42:46
Andrew Wilsontomorrow let's say and you had $50,000 in debt and he had $225,000 in debt wouldn't you guys probably work to pay each other's debt off I mean yeah that would be a priority
05:42:59
Andrew Wilsonyeah that would be a PR exactly so I mean it it it makes sense to me that if you had more debt in your 30s that that that wouldn't necessarily make you more financially viable to a man who could
05:43:11
Andrew Wilsonwho could financially support you than if you were younger just because you are in a position where you can make money doesn't mean you don't come with a lot of acrw debt yeah I understand what you're
05:43:21
Brian Atlassaying yeah just going back oh did you have some were you raising your hand uh okay I guess I'd still like to hear like a com like what what's the benefit to the man for dating an older woman
05:43:34
Brian Atlasbecause the reality is when it comes to dating we're all uh what What's the word we're all um trying to think what the greedy we all want the best that we can
05:43:45
Brian Atlasget we want the most attractive person we want the person with the best XY whatever traits you know people have different preferences on that but we're
05:43:53
Brian Atlasall trying to get the very best that we can get so I'm just trying to understand like if men are dating younger women because and this does seem to be a trend
05:44:06
Brian Atlaswhich would indicate to me that men are making some sort of value judgment value assessment that younger women are more attractive whether that comes down to their looks personality whatever they're
05:44:16
Brian Atlasmaking some value assessment there otherwise this if it wasn't the case you know why why if there wasn't some increase in
05:44:25
Brian Atlasvalue why why would they they want to date these younger women um I guess like can you make an argument as to like why should a m dat an older woman aside from just your shame
05:44:40
Brian Atlastactics I mean so older so you're saying in this situation so the man is the 19-year-old and the woman is old so in comparison to a younger woman so oh like someone their why should a 35-year-old
05:44:51
Brian Atlasdate another 35-year-old versus say a 25-year-old or a 20-year-old I think so that you can have an equal have have an equal yeah you can