WALK OFF?! SUPER Woke Feminist vs. Andrew Wilson! She Has A Pet HUMAN?! LA GIRLS! | Dating Talk #214
Date: 2024-11-20
Duration: 7h 42m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_02Gina Prada(guest)
SPEAKER_03Gina Prada(guest)
SPEAKER_04Amelia Davis(guest)
SPEAKER_05Deborah Laeia(guest)
SPEAKER_06Catalina(guest)
SPEAKER_07TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_11Emily(guest)
SPEAKER_12Tanya(guest)
SPEAKER_13Cali(guest)
SPEAKER_14Bridget(guest)
Key Moments
00:01:24
QuoteCatalina reveals she has a "pet" human: a man who sleeps on her dog bed, acts as coat rack, and she pays all his bills
“"I have a pet... like a guy that acts like my dog... he sleeps on my floor on the dog bed... he just does whatever I ask."”
00:08:16
QuoteEmily performs an original song live on the show
“"Always acting like this the last time, but you always change my mind, just one last time, go through it all again, don't want this to end..."”
00:25:07
QuoteAmelia reveals her ex-boyfriend cut her hair while she was blacked out drunk
“"He cut my hair yeah... he gave me like a little mullet... he gave me like the top layer of my hair just like jagged it up."”
01:00:00
QuoteCatalina explains she used to be a porn star and now produces films
“"I used to be a porn star okay... about 5 years ago... I've been in every industry you can think of."”
01:00:06
QuoteCali explains she opened her marriage after one year due to being queer and previously polyamorous
“"I am queer as fuck so... I mean I wanted to be with women... we agreed that it was fine so..."”
01:23:02
ControversyAndrew Wilson strongly confronts Catalina about exploiting a mentally ill man — she cries
“"You have a duty you have a responsibility... you're not a victim here, you're the victimizer... what you're doing is horrific and psychotic."”
01:30:50
OtherCatalina breaks down crying after Andrew's confrontation about her pet arrangement
“Catalina crying: "You're making it seem worse than it actually is... I can change and I can grow."”
03:19:40
ControversyDeborah and Andrew Wilson have heated debate about feminism and patriarchy — she calls him a "griper"
“Deborah: "I called you a griper because the majority of reason why far-right men do not want women to vote is because women tend to vote liberal." Andrew: "So you're a covert feminist."”
04:00:00
QuoteBrian tells men never to take their girlfriend to clubs or bars
“"I say never go with your girl first off... if it never go out in any sort of environment where there's alcohol with your girl... the amount of men I've seen get sparked up in a fight..."”
04:04:00
QuoteEmily reveals she measured a footprint in her boyfriend's windshield to determine if it was a woman's foot (jealous FBI behavior)
“"I literally like measured it cuz I was like is this your footprint or is this a female's footprint."”
05:18:40
ControversyDeborah asks Andrew to "shut up for 30 seconds" — Andrew says she's showing her true nature as an "entitled LARPing conservative"
“Deborah: "Andrew can you shut up for 30 seconds let me talk..." Andrew: "That's another form of validation... you're a covert feminist."”
05:22:20
OtherDeborah Laeia leaves the podcast mid-show to drive back to LA alone
“"Sorry guys I have to leave... I have a 2-hour plus drive back to LA alone in the dark... it was great being on with you Brian, Andrew, everybody."”
05:24:20
QuoteDeborah and Andrew agree to a 1-on-1 formal debate
“Deborah: "I can make a firm commitment to you that I am open to doing a debate with you." Brian: "We can arrange for that."”
06:13:05
ControversyGina Prada and Catalina erupt in racial-slur catfight — near physical altercation
“Catalina: "[n-word] you're mad" Gina: "I hope y'all heard what she said... it's called freedom of speech welcome to America." Gina retaliates with insults about Catalina's looks. Others intervene to prevent physical fight.”
Topics Discussed
00:00:08
Introductions & Show Announcements
Brian introduces show, plugs social media/streamlabs/merch/BLM nonprofit. Guests introduce themselves one by one: Cali (fire performer, divorced/poly), Bridget (student, 5yr relationship), Amelia Davis (model/jeweler/nursing student), Gina Prada (trainer), Emily (singer-songwriter/bud tender), Catalina (events/porn producer/ex-porn star), Tanya (ESL teacher), Deborah Laeia (political commentator), Andrew Wilson (The Crucible). Brian mentions World of Warcraft guild plans.
00:15:00
Relationship Status Round
Full round of relationship statuses. Cali: divorcing after 5yr poly marriage, has daughter. Bridget: 5yr relationship (only one). Amelia: single 2 months after 6yr abusive relationship (ex cut her hair while she slept). Gina: 4yr relationship. Emily: single 4 months after breakup due to her trust issues/jealousy. Catalina: single ~1yr, has "pet" man sleeping on dog bed. Tanya: 6-month relationship, prior 9yr abusive relationship with sick ex. Deborah: single 6 months, looking for Jewish husband.
00:20:00
DMs, Club Culture & Relationship Boundaries
Discussion of how many DMs women receive per day (5-50 range). Brian argues women have enormous sexual optionality vs men. Discussion of going to bars/clubs while in relationships — men vs women's perspective. Brian advises men never to take girlfriends to clubs. Emily explains club promoting for pay. Gina shares positive experiences at clubs with boyfriend. Debate on whether women's club-going is risky for relationships.
00:23:00
Catalina's "Pet Human" — BDSM/Findom Controversy
Catalina reveals she has a 30yo man living in her home who sleeps on a dog bed at his own request, acts as coat rack, does chores — she pays all his bills. Andrew Wilson strongly confronts her about exploitation of a potentially mentally ill person, calling it "psychotic and horrific." Catalina cries. Deborah raises concerns about modeling bad relationships for her daughter. Brian moderates. Chat donations support Andrew's position. Discussion of whether consent negates exploitation.
00:25:10
Amelia's Abusive Ex & Hair Cutting Incident
Amelia describes 6-year relationship with controlling/abusive boyfriend: he cut her hair while she was blacked out drunk (gave her a mullet), saw old messages and got jealous/enraged on drugs+alcohol. His father is wealthy (construction company, yachts, plane). She dumped him twice. He flew a girl from Oregon to live with him during their break, then still tried to reconcile. She finally left in September 2024.
00:41:20
Self-Ratings Round
Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Amelia: 8. Bridget: 9. Cali: 7-8 (said 9-10 then corrected). Gina: 7-8. Emily: 7-8. Catalina: 5. Tanya: unclear. Deborah: 7.5-8. Andrew: 10 (confidence-based). Age advancement app used — women shown aged 70 years (they react with horror). Discussion of when women peak looks-wise (consensus: late 20s to mid-30s).
00:46:40
Deborah Laeia vs Andrew Wilson: Feminism, Patriarchy & Women's Suffrage
Extended running debate between Deborah (conservative political commentator) and Andrew Wilson. Topics: whether traditional conservatism requires opposing women's suffrage, whether Deborah is a "covert feminist," women's duty to society vs luxury lifestyle, men's responsibility vs authority, whether feminism caused societal decline. Deborah calls Andrew a "griper" for his rhetoric; Andrew calls her a "LARPing conservative." Brian mediates. Debate becomes heated. They agree to a 1-on-1 formal debate in February. Deborah leaves at ~5:32 due to late hour/long drive.
01:29:40
Age Gap Relationships
Brian asks about comfort with age gap relationships (30yo + 19yo). Amelia, Emily, Tanya disagree/find it icky. Cali indifferent (5yr gap fine). Andrew defends age gaps citing women's prime reproductive years 18-26. Brian shares he has dated older women (32yo/45yo when 31). Discussion of whether 19yo can consent; Cali jokes age of consent should be 26. Andrew and Brian debate "fresh vs spoiled" language. Discussion of men's attraction to youth as biological/evolutionary.
01:36:00
Emily's Drug Dealer Boyfriend & Trust Issues
Emily reveals ex-boyfriend was a drug dealer/mule (cocaine then meth), started during their relationship. She was OK with it as long as he was safe. Found out he was cheating by checking his Spotify and Facebook, then measuring a suspicious footprint in his windshield. She watched him sleep to decide whether to confront him. Moved in together after 1 year. Brian and Andrew discuss the double standard of Emily going to bars while policing his Instagram following.
04:00:00
50/50 Dating & Gender Roles Debate
Questions from pre-show questionnaire: should women go 50/50 on first date (most disagree). Should men pay? (all say yes). Should women cook/clean? (mostly yes). Should women be submissive? (conditional yes). Brian argues asymmetry: women hold men to standards they don't hold themselves to. Deborah says chastity is a value not a trait. Discussion of broke women wanting billionaires as hypocrisy. Brian asks Deborah to commit to only dating men who make the same as her (she declines).
04:06:40
Body Count Discussion
Extended debate on whether body count matters. Emily (BC=11) argues body count is none of partner's business. Andrew explains evolutionary biology of male disgust at promiscuity. Brian gives examples of why it matters (crazy ex probability, pair bonding). Emily argues men are insecure for caring. Gina says it does matter spiritually (sex is sacred). Discussion of whether "past doesn't matter" is consistent with other standards women hold. Double standard: high-body-count men wanting low-BC women — is it hypocritical? Brian's answer: no, not hypocritical.
04:44:36
Man vs Bear Question
Classic "would you rather run into a man or a bear in the forest" question. Results: Cali (bear→man when rephrased), Bridget (man), Amelia (man), Gina (bear→man when rephrased), Emily (bear), Catalina (bear), Tanya (man). Estimated % of men who would assault them: 30% (Amelia), 90%→5% (Cali after pushback), 20% (Emily), 15% (Deborah). Brian rephrases as "random spawn" scenario — several change to man. Discussion of 10 men vs 10 bears. For daughters: most still say bear.
06:13:05
Gina vs Catalina Catfight
Near-walkout confrontation between Gina Prada and Catalina. Gina (SPEAKER_02/03) and Catalina (SPEAKER_06) escalate a dispute about Catalina's behavior on the show. Catalina calls Gina a racial slur ("black [n-word]") multiple times. Gina retaliates with body-shaming and insults about Catalina's "pet." Physical confrontation narrowly avoided (others intervene). Brian tells both to shut up. After standoff, both apologize and make up. Catalina says there is nothing wrong with using the slur as "freedom of speech."
07:00:30
Delusion Calculator & Final Questionnaire
Brian runs the female delusion calculator for Emily (0.15% probability — age 22-32, Black/Hispanic, 5'10"+, exclude obese, $60K+) and Amelia (1.5% — age 22-35, White, 5'10"+, exclude obese, $100K+). Final questionnaire topics: women not oppressed currently (some disagreement), women drafted (most disagree), age gap (discussed earlier), women equal rights (brief). Brian's closing: runs $300K/year in expenses, thanks viewers. Raid on Twitch before wrap.
07:17:30
Roast Session
Final roast session via $20 TTS donations. Chat roasts Cali for refusing to define "woman," Catalina for pet man and crying, Gina for being in bathroom, Amelia for dating down, Tanya for quiet demeanor. Chat also gives compliments to Emily/others. Brian wraps the show with twitch raid and thanks.
Transcript
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00:57:06
Emilyin the clubs nine out of 10 times honestly okay you yeah you don't find love in the clubs but if you want to find a drink you know like it's easy to yeah girls don't approach in the club I mean you can say that but it's I mean it's that's total cap how many times
00:57:19
Brian Atlashave you approached a guy in the club well to get like a drink or to get in their section to have sex with them oh no no zero so hold on you're being so disingenuous right now so you'll approach a guy to
00:57:30
Brian Atlasget his alcohol but you don't have any actual romantic interest whereas what I'm talk so they're not you're not like actually that's the only time I would approach a
00:57:40
Brian Atlasguy so you just defeated your own argument so there's no risk so essentially you're just saying there's absolutely no risk of a guy going to a club and actually having a woman sexually pursu
00:57:53
Emilyhim um I mean if your man is like a model and he's attractive enough I think that women would gra gravitate towards him but like as a woman I wouldn't go approaching men with the intent to sleep with them I would be approaching them
00:58:06
Brian Atlaswith the intent to get a free drink or like to get a seat at their VIP section so I don't have to stand in my heels all night at the club right so but when I say women don't approach men what I'm talking about I'm not yeah I guess technically you're approaching them so
00:58:18
Brian Atlasyou could procure alcohol that's not really what I'm talking about when men approach women they're Tri they're typically trying to Pro procure uh a relationship or a sexual experience or something like that um so that's kind of
00:58:31
Brian Atlaswhat I'm talking about by your own admission here you've just said that okay well women don't really go to the club to do that really whereas men do this would seem to further establish my
00:58:45
Emilyposition I still said I go to the clubs to sit at VIP sections and hang out with my home girls and get free drinks yeah I started with that initially and I'm ending with that too whether the free drinks come from a promoter who's paying
00:58:58
Emilyme to bring girls to the club and giving me free bottles or it's coming from guys who are paying for Bott why do you think guys go to clubs for the ladies for sure to get late right sure okay so this
00:59:10
Emilythey're not getting that from me though why do girls go to the club to dance to dance with their girls to listen to good music dress up be cute take photos for the Instagram drink some good
00:59:20
Emilyliquor you know I tend I I do tend to see when women though mostly not go to clubs where there's only women to dance that's really strange where where are there you
00:59:33
Andrew Wilsonwould think for instance that if it were true that women only wanted to go to the club so that they could dance with other women to tell each other how cute they were that they would go to a club that
00:59:43
Andrew Wilsonwas exclusively for women but they don't do that hang on hang on hang on that's super strange can you explain why that is um well actually when I was out in New York
00:59:55
Emilytrying to look at the night life they had like lgbtq nights and like lesbian nights and they're like all the girls and the gays are invited and I was like I would love to go to something like that have to not be worried about a guy
01:00:07
Andrew Wilsontrying to sexualize you yeah pray on you exactly like I would love to go to one of those so yeah some clubs may have a gay night where you can go in and hang
01:00:15
Andrew Wilsonout with gay women I guess but 99% of the time that you have gone to a club my assumption is that there are men at those clubs yeah mhm but the men AR why not go to a club why not well so why not
01:00:28
Andrew Wilsongo to a club where there's no men where it's just exclusive do you know a club where there's only women let me know I'll be there well you would think if this was a viable model that one of you
01:00:39
Catalinathe Glorious entrepreneurs who own 50,000 businesses would simply start an allw Woman's Club you know I actually IDE I already own an all girls company next business is a well it's
01:00:51
Brian Atlasinter it's interesting to me because you said you just said that your perception of the club experience is men praying on women wouldn't that further establish men having more pretext and justification for not wanting their
01:01:04
Brian Atlasgirlfriends to go to Club because by your own admission men pray on women in these environments but women don't typically pray on men in these environments yeah but so that's another differential that just further establishes my position that if you're
01:01:17
Emilyin a relationship with a woman she should not be going out to a bar club but it's kind of section the guys like pray on you they stand by the bar and they look at you or they're on the Dance Floor looking at you corner of the club
01:01:29
Emilyso your experience of going to night clubs and bars is men men pray on you m why the [ __ ] would you go to these environments what if you take out your man with you is that different I bring I invite him to all the clubs with me too does he go yeah and he's like all your
01:01:42
Brian Atlasguy friends just want to [ __ ] you this this and that why would you go to as a I don't know as a guy why would you go to the bar if you already have a girl yeah that doesn't make any sense like there's no reason as a guy to go to a bar
01:01:53
Deborah Laeianightclub absent trying to find a woman you already have a woman so why would you go there with her I think it's the same for girls too and every relationship that I've been in I unless I was with them I didn't go to clubs or
01:02:05
Deborah Laeiabars because if I was going out I would want them there and I think as women we can all admit that when you get drunk at a club you are looking for a companion and like that is the goal of going there so like if you're in a relationship for me at least like if I'm drinking and I'm
01:02:18
Deborah Laeianot with a boyfriend then like that's the only person I want to be with so I wouldn't I personally haven't and it's just like a natural decision I've never been asked not to I just think it's something um gravitate towards you know
01:02:30
Andrew Wilsonso no one here has been to a woman's only club or like a fem event no well I would assume I would assume that let's let's assume for a moment that all of them have right just for like the sake
01:02:41
Andrew Wilsonof of argument um there's no possible way that that's 99% of the experiences right not most of the time that women are going to clubs they not going to same-sex Club so that they can dance so
01:02:53
Catalinathat other girls can see they're going to clubs with the opposite sex because they want to get their drink spot right I mean isn't that isn't that actually the case and they want attention get drink spot and validation well I don't drink alcohol at all so I'm not going to
01:03:06
Catalinaa club for alcohol at all I'm going to like get stress out and dance and actually enjoy myself because I don't I'm I don't really like involving myself around people period they stress me out
01:03:17
Andrew Wilsonyeah well and that may be true but uh you would have to admit that you're an exception to the rule right so it's not that all women always only go to clubs for the purposes of having drinks bought
01:03:29
Andrew Wilsonto them right but most women seem to go to clubs so that they can dance and they want to go to clubs where men are because those men will buy their drinks right I mean is that is that not the
01:03:40
Emilycase or do do you think that most women go to uh go to clubs because they don't want their drinks bought when they could go to a you know same-sex Club I mean being single now and going out to the
01:03:52
Emilyclubs with my girls we don't just kind of like depend on aand to BU drinks we'll pregame before um I also don't drink too much myself so I'll be smoking before but my if you're pregaming then you're planning on it so literally
01:04:04
Andrew Wilsonliterally if you're pregaming that is planning so you're saying what do we do what do we do if the guys don't buy our drinks well then we'll buy our drink because you don't have to depend on a man to go out and have a good night with
01:04:16
Emilyyour home girls you can supply your own drinks so it doesn't always have to boil down to a man but my my ex did end up becoming a club promoter anyway so his job ended end up becoming to get all the girls to come to the VIP section and I
01:04:29
Emilyhad to be okay with that during our relationship too I didn't like the thought of him being at a table with 10 girls in a section at the club getting them free drinks but earlier you said wait wait wait that makes no sense because earlier you said yeah but the
01:04:42
Andrew Wilsonreason I do this socialization uh is because it's uh like for networking purposes and because you're making that money but somehow when he's doing the socialization because he's making that money that's
01:04:53
Emilybad because I'm going with just me and my home girls he's going and he has to find other girls from the club he's not there with his boys he's not there with his girl best friends he's there finding
01:05:05
Emilygirls like me and my friends to bring out to the clubs but we also broke up for that reason cuz neither of us liked that both of us were going to be we do have to get through the rest of so so
01:05:15
Emilyit's rules for he but not for she he had to go follow these girls on Instagram I didn't I was there to look pretty at the table get free drinks with my girlfriends all around me and when
01:05:27
Emilyyou travel in with more girls it's more intimidating for guys to come approach you as a girl in a group of eight instead of me being like alone on the Dance Floor by the bar then a guy would come up and approach me but I'm literally in secluded sections there's
01:05:39
Emilylike ropes there's bodyguards and stuff around us like no no man praying is just going to come up on me yeah but but the idea here still is that you're doing
01:05:50
Emilythis for money he was doing this for money right so I also said the extent of of us connecting stayed in the club I only ever talked to people if it were in the club they never got my number or my
01:06:01
EmilyInstagram he would have to connect with these girls outside of the club get their number get their Instagram and bring them into the club is what I'm saying because that was his job yes yeah
01:06:12
Andrew Wilsonso but he's getting paid for it but y'all are saying I can't get paid for it and do the same thing it's different no I'm holding you to your standard right I'm not saying what you can or can't do I'm just saying that if your standard is
01:06:24
Andrew Wilsonlook um you know I need to obsess over this dude because you know every click uh you know that he does on anybody's Instagram uh that could be that he's having an affair or something like this
01:06:35
Andrew Wilsonwhich is legitimate I just think that if you're also going to the club and doing the same type of nightlife even though it may have a slightly different context it seems fair uh that if you say it's okay for me to do it because there's
01:06:47
Emilymoney involved that you would apply that same standard to him right yeah the ratio of me going out is nine girls to maybe one per but when it's him it's going to be the one promoter to the nine girls that he's going to be around it's
01:07:00
Andrew Wilsonjust different that's I don't know why like if because you add friends somehow it makes it better like I I don't I don't are are your friends just like holding you to account or they like ah girl you
01:07:12
Andrew Wilsoncan't do x y and no they're not holding you to account right they're out partying right like rock stars my friends are loyal so they would be the type to promote monogamy in the club and
01:07:23
Brian Atlasnot promote cheating behaviors yes so so okay um have you said you went out with your boyfriend right mhm I'd always invite you guys would go out together M were there ever any situations when you
01:07:33
Brian Atlaswere out with him where like some drunk guy said something maybe did something and he had to intervene in some sort of way or happens all the time to me he was not too confrontational he's more of
01:07:45
Emilylike a if they really do something to us then we'll fight back but that's okay but has something like that happened yeah just kind of like verbal stuff but I kind of knew how to fend them off myself so he never had to step in were
01:07:58
Brian Atlasyou ever disappointed that your boyfriend didn't step in a little bit this I never want anything to go say to all the men viewing never go with your girl first off don't dat girls who go to
01:08:08
Brian Atlasbars clubs parties second off if it never go out in any sort of environment where there's alcohol with your girl
01:08:18
Brian Atlasit's the amount of men I've seen get sparked up in a fight because the girl I don't know bro it's don't do it gentlemen don't go out with your girl because either you're in the situation
01:08:30
Brian Atlashere you're in the situation here where she's disappointed in you for not stepping up to some drunk idiot in a bar or you do step up and either you [ __ ] the guy up and then you catch a case or you get [ __ ] brain damage cuz he
01:08:43
Brian Atlasknocks you out you [ __ ] hit your head on the concrete on the floor boom boom boom whatever it is so I know you laugh but I mean this [ __ ] happens all the time yeah I never wanted to get to that point that's why we yeah but it's just like stupid it's it's so stupid to go
01:08:56
Amelia Davisout with your girl but is it like a bonding moment for you and your partner to go out have drinks together dance together have a good night together come home no I thought that was fun until why
01:09:07
Amelia Daviswhy can't you go like do normal couple [ __ ] like I thought I thought that was normal couple [ __ ] to go out one not every night every weekend but why I mean that was because my ex that's what he like to do so I would go always go with him I mean that's fine
01:09:20
Brian Atlaslook people can do it I just think it's really ill advised for men because there some like some dumbass in the like I'm not excusing the actions of these other PE men who get drunk or whatever but
01:09:30
Brian Atlaslike it's gonna [ __ ] happen a guy you don't want to like be the one who like okay and also like half the [ __ ] fights I've ever seen in these sort of sorts of environments it's over a chick
01:09:41
Andrew Wilsonand also can point out that there's a distinction between going to your local pub with your significant other and having dinner and some beers or drinks or something like that and then going
01:09:52
Andrew Wilsonhome for that bonding versus going to a nightclub that's fil with 90% singles including drunk horny men that seems like a recipe for dis I don't know why that would need to be part of the
01:10:02
Amelia Davisbonding you know position I've seen people literally like get paramedics come [ __ ] brain permanent brain damage from I've like guys like come up to me ask like oh do you want a drink and my and my man's
01:10:15
Amelia Davislike oh she's with me and she doesn't want to drink for you and I was like see like stuff like that yeah but you said you've seen like that those situations where girl the guy says some dumb [ __ ] boyfriend got to [ __ ] in got to do
01:10:27
Andrew Wilsonsomething about it yeah but again I mean we also know I mean I don't I don't think people are so ignorant they don't know where the party spots are like where where the singles are and the younger men younger women are uh again I think the big difference uh if you go to
01:10:40
Andrew WilsonTGI Fridays and you have a couple of drinks and you know the baby back ribs versus going to a nightclub that see it seems like uh I don't know why you'd need to go to a nightclub in order to bond that just seems strange cuz like
01:10:52
Emilysometimes the DJs play good music that you wouldn't get at TGI Fridays or the pub around the corner from your house and it's just a different an a different Ambiance like you come out and it's nice
01:11:03
Emilyyou want to step out in your lub Vuittons and your nice gown yeah I don't want to come dressed out to TGI Fridays just to come back home and like changing into some PJs like I want to dance with
01:11:13
Emilyhim on the dance floor and like get it on like Usher style like we in the club why can't you do that at home yeah you're still can but I mean I can just play something off my Bluetooth speaker
01:11:24
Gina Pradaand it's just St yeah I guess we can I mean personally I only had really good experiences with my man at the club me too and I've been a couple times with I never had one bad experience it's always
01:11:34
Brian Atlassuper fun like party with your with your just me personally me personally I'll grant that I'm like you want to party with your person highly introverted and like I [ __ ] hate bars and clubs and [ __ ] can you guys actually make like a
01:11:46
Brian Atlascompelling argument or articulate like what is actually fun about going to the bar I can kind of understand hold on I can kind of understand it a bit more from the woman's perspective free drinks
01:11:58
Brian Atlasyou're getting all kind of attention male validation etc etc I guess girls like to dance or whatever the [ __ ] why like what's actually fun about it and then perhaps like what would even on top
01:12:09
Gina Pradaof that what's actually fun about it for a guy like I just don't understand it whatsoever I think it's dancing with your girl personally on you right yeah like my man always has so much fun like when we're just dancing together and
01:12:21
Gina Pradathere's not much places where we can just go and just dance and have fun and it's dark too so you're not really like like looking at him and like oh like he's dancing bad like yes are both just having fun like drunk or not like you
01:12:32
Amelia Davisdon't need liquor too Yeahs if you see a DJ yeah there's a companionship there's a companionship being with your um with your person and partying together enjoying that defin it's a Vibe for sure
01:12:44
Andrew Wilsonit's a Vibe I like are you maybe too old for that um I mean I'm 23 so I'm still party girl you realize that while per chance you may think that Brian is currently
01:12:56
Andrew Wilsonancient uh just a few years ago he was not so the thing is is like and clubs Believe It or Not existed when Brian was your age so it's like I don't I don't know why like we don't have a frame of
01:13:08
Brian Atlasreference here definitely have a frame of reference you never went at the club for a show oh like I mean I went a little bit when I was younger I I didn't I was never a big drinker though you didn't go
01:13:18
Brian Atlasto people watched you look like a people Watcher your whole show is people watching you love people watch I mean I I went but it was like I don't know it's free
01:13:30
Brian Atlasentertainment it's free people watching and drunk people hilarious honest was never I don't know the whole the like the whole experience was not out in public not in a club yeah um
01:13:43
Brian Atlasso okay uh last thing I guess on this whole bar thing then we need to get the rest of people's uh Rel relationship status I guess the going back to the whole differential thing I guess what I was trying to get to is um you guys do
01:13:55
Brian Atlasacknowledge I know that like look I'll even grant that you guys go to the club just have fun and dance and it's not necessarily to meet men but you guys do acknowledge like maybe maybe not you but you have a girlfriend who like she's gone out one night and she's like I want
01:14:08
Brian Atlasto meet a guy have you guys had that experience maybe for yourself I know a lot of you been are in long-term relationships or whatever um but you will admit like some women will go out with the hopes of maybe a guy flirting
01:14:20
Deborah Laeiawith them or something sure that's the only reason that my friends will want me to come out with them honestly it's not my forte but you got to support your girls but we've always said that like for us going out just at least my friend group like the pregame is the best part
01:14:32
Deborah Laeiaof the night out it's not the club like my two best friends in New York we will be at the bar or whatever for probably pregame for 2 hours go to the bar for 20 minutes then leave get pizza go home be like we had so much fun together like a
01:14:43
Deborah Laeiagreat night I love that I think I've just grown up is pre let me me drinking beforehand having some cocktails listening to music finishing your makeup
01:14:53
Brian Atlasgirly time tailgating and so but and you guys those of you who've been out you guys do acknowledge that when you do go out there are men there who are interested
01:15:04
Emilyin like hitting on you sexually pursuing you etc etc you guys acknowledge that right that's like anywhere we go gr on the street yeah you walk to the grocery gas station yeah sure I mean you could you could be at Trader Joe's a guy could
01:15:17
Brian Atlascome approach you I would say it's probably more anticipated that it's going to happen at a bar or nightclub exactly uh and also like I don't know [ __ ] goes down in the bars and clubs like I don't know I don't think in the
01:15:30
Brian Atlashistory of Trader Joe's there's ever been like a guy approaches a girl and then like five minutes later five minutes later he's like finger banging her or some [ __ ] true I've seen look
01:15:41
Brian AtlasI've went to these clubs and parties and [ __ ] I've seen stuff happen um sure you know they'll hook up they'll leave the club together the [ __ ] like I don't know if the in the history of Trader Joe's
01:15:52
Brian Atlasthat's maybe who knows some guy with like immaculate is or some [ __ ] but yeah that only happens at Home Depot it goes down at Home Depot for
01:16:01
Brian Atlassure but so knowing this I guess um and knowing like here's the difference right so men and women we flirt differently so
01:16:12
Brian Atlaslike you said earlier like you like the way you'll kind of flirt right is you might just like something you won't actually slide into a DM you'll go out to the bar whatever uh even granting
01:16:24
Brian Atlasthat when you do go to these environments maybe that's not your intention but you are have any of you met met a guy from a party bar or
01:16:35
Deborah Laeiaclub yeah yeah yeah well you guys have been in relationships forever so I have you have what about you I I would say so yeah Deborah what about you bar my
01:16:45
Brian Atlaslongest relationship actually I met him in a club in Israel okay and so going into that though like were you going out though with like I really want to meet a guy tonight I was on a program so there was like a couple hundred of us that
01:16:58
Deborah Laeiawould go and like basically just take over the clubs that we went so he it wasn't it was College in Israel Baron um but there's a bunch of different programs like that and he was on a different program and then everybody
01:17:10
Brian Atlasjust happened to be there that night and then we made out in the club and then we dated for like almost two years so it seems like okay when here's the Dilemma that I see though it's like okay so when you get into a
01:17:21
Brian Atlasrelationship because men and women flirt differently I think we can agree that neither the man or the woman should like you shouldn't go and actively approach somebody right like that would be
01:17:32
Brian Atlascheating if the guy went up to a girl and like hit on her right that' be cheating relationship and that would also be cheating if the woman went up to somebody and hit on them but this sort
01:17:42
Brian Atlasof ignores the like asymmetry between men and women women don't really do that so the way that you guys flirt and this is very if if your intention is to find a guy and some of you have met men in
01:17:54
Brian Atlasthese sorts of environments the way that you will flirt is you'll put yourself in a position for men to come and approach you that's your method
01:18:06
Brian Atlasof getting men being exposed yeah you you you won't like really slide into a bunch of some occasionally but you won't like really slide into DMS you won't like go up to
01:18:17
Brian Atlasmen at these environments but you'll put yourself in a position maybe you'll put yourself in proximity stand next to them you can see us you're saying it's like cat and mouse essentially well yeah so the conduct in which the way in which
01:18:29
Brian Atlaswomen will flirt doesn't change once they're it's more strategic basically hold on let me I'll I'll tell you what
01:18:37
Brian AtlasI'm getting at and so in a relationship we only like shut down the ways in which men flirt but there is no expectation really that's
01:18:50
Brian Atlasplaced on women that men need to shut down the way you guys make yourselves available to men so you continue you when you're in a relationship a lot of
01:19:01
Brian Atlaswomen continue their single conduct does that make sense yeah but the way so the way we conduct ourselves when we're single would not be acceptable once we're in a
01:19:14
Brian Atlasrelationship but the way you guys conduct yourselves when you're single that's never challenged and I think it ought to be so if you're in a relationship with a guy you got to stop posting review revealing photos you got
01:19:25
Brian Atlasto stop dressing revealing and you got to stop going out to bars clubs and parties even if you have no intention of approaching a guy you know going to these events you will be approached some guys like that though
01:19:38
Brian Atlasthey like their girl getting attention not really so in the way that we have to shut down our options you don't shut down your options when you guys are in a relationship and I find that interesting but Brian have
01:19:50
Deborah Laeiayou never had the experience with girls where you're just like excuse me do you have a tissue and they're like I have a boyfriend don't speak to me there are so many women who act like that where they won't even talk to another man literally like I have a boyfriend they're like I'm just trying to seat you at your table
01:20:03
Deborah Laeiafor dinner so I think it just comes on every side but I definitely agree with you and I think to take it a step further that if you don't want to do that if you're not with somebody who makes you want to you know just put your eyes his eyes on you and really only pursue that relationship then I don't
01:20:16
Deborah Laeiathink you're with the right person and I think every girl has experienced that where a guy when you're talking to a guy he either makes you want to never speak to another man ever again or reminds you how much better you can get and then
01:20:27
Brian Atlasencourages you to date more and find a better match for yourself I'm perfectly willing to grant that there are women who are who are in relationships who go to these environments and they will shut
01:20:37
Brian Atlasdown 100% of the men 100% of the time the and that might very well be the case although there's certainly situations where like I mean women have a hypergamous nature there very well could
01:20:49
Brian Atlasbe a case it's like well are we are like in like an argument phase of our relationship and is oh this guy's like I know if this other guy who's stepping to you if he's like exceptional in some
01:21:02
Brian Atlasadditional way like you just got to close down your options but even putting that aside if you guys are looking to men to be leaders and to be
01:21:12
Brian Atlasprotectors one one component of us being protectors would be we have to have some say and Authority when it comes to your conduct and protecting the relationship because if you're going to these parties
01:21:25
Brian Atlaslet's say you have no intention of cheating some guy could rofy you we're looking out for you I don't want you in the club and you know he could somebody could put something in your drink some guy could grab your ass and you feel terrible about it and I'm not that's
01:21:38
Brian Atlasterrible Behavior but guys are drunk they do that [ __ ] I don't want to expose my girlfriend to that kind of conduct from other men and and also just I don't drink and party and all that stuff so
01:21:49
Emilylike I'm not dating women who do this for the most part anyways but uh yeah we're just trying to protect you so I like that point of view um but that's why like when I said I get paid to go here I know the promoters like they'll
01:22:01
Emilyget us a section for me and my girls to sit at so our drinks aren't anywhere near where it can get roofied on the dance floor or guys aren't close enough to be smacking our ass like we're literally sitting enjoying ourselves in
01:22:13
Emilythe club and we have our own secluded area to dance if we did want to dance we don't have to step onto the sweaty dance floor in close proximity with stre I'm just curious like look I I'm not all there's different kinds of clubs
01:22:25
Brian Atlasdifferent kinds of environments I mean I know you're saying that but like to me just from a business perspective um they the reason they have the women in the clubs is like the men they want to talk
01:22:37
Brian Atlasto the women they want to interact with the women um you're saying well you've got your little space so you're saying in the history of all the times you've
01:22:47
Emilybeen to a bar and you have your section no guy has ever talked to you ever well I have single friends who are there with me so they'll go off and Mingo or
01:22:57
Emilythey'll go talk to some guys and it's not technically me who's bringing guys to the clubs but it's the girls that I bring and you know guys see more girls are in the club so they're willing to
01:23:09
Emilypay a cover fee or they're willing to spend for a couple of drinks at the bar to get tipsy to go hit on some girls they're willing to spend on the girls who are there to milk their money throughout the course of your relationship when you're going out to
01:23:19
Brian Atlasthe bars and the clubs did a guy uh at the club or bar ever say anything inappropriate to you in fact you wait you already admitted to this because you said there are a few times you were out even with your boyfriend and you were
01:23:32
Emilyhopeful that he would intervene in some way but he didn't because he's non-confrontational okay so did you you even admitted that it happens yeah um when you go out even with your boyfriend I feel like some guys have no dis no
01:23:44
Emilyregard for relationships sometimes having a man will make them want to hit on you more some of my experiences like compete with him so that's even I mean that seems like a really good reason to not go out to the club but even being a
01:23:57
Emilysinger songwriter when I go perform at all these clubs bars venues and la like there are guys who are fawning over me in the crowd and my boyfriend has to like witness this what can he do uh not
01:24:08
Emilygo to the Barrow Club he's just there to support me performing oh oh what you're doing a performance I perform at clubs and bars too and there's guys in the clubs and bars who find me attractive okay all
01:24:21
Brian Atlasright well all right guys we have a couple chats here that I'm going to read uh and then we'll get to the relationship status we've got actually Deborah can I have you read this these yes if you can see call me skeptical but
01:24:31
Deborah Laeiathis chick wanted to lock down half of the marital I can't see EST Marsh no no I think it says marital the C I can read guys swe marital State before she blindsided him with the poly crap at
01:24:43
Deborah Laeiawhich point he was stuck in financial straight jacket by the way dot dot dot uh wait hold on uh oh sorry this one okay go
01:24:55
Deborah Laeiaahead continued by the way I'm a lawyer don't [ __ ] me dude got totally railroaded by the vile woman gents out there eyes wide open I believe this is to you do you have a response to
01:25:06
Brian AtlasLucas I guess you would know takes one to No One baby okay cool rock and roll uh relationship status what about you uh
01:25:15
CatalinaI have a pet mhm I I have a pet like a guy that that acts like my dog oh wait hold on Oh I thought you you were joking um you have he SLE on my floor on the
01:25:28
Catalinadog bed you have a he's like a sub is that what you call or slave he just does whatever I ask servant so you have a Master Slave BDSM Dynamic one of yeah basically I I don't I went you're being serious right yeah I I was in I got out
01:25:41
Andrew Wilsonof abusive relationship about a year ago the guy tried to strangle me like five times ran to the neighbor house I'm not sure how that's relevant but okay so I I ended up with a because as you know the best way to recover from being in an
01:25:52
Andrew Wilsonabusive relationship is to abuse somebody everybody knows that well I don't hit him or anything and he's he he he yeah just humiliate him make him sleep in a dog bed does he have a dog I told him he
01:26:04
Andrew Wilsoncould I didn't tell him he had to he asked me to buy him a dog bed yeah you realize you do realize that there are mentally ill individuals out there who do mentally ill things and that it is very enabling when a person's
01:26:16
Andrew Wilsonlike well I know that you're mentally ill and sick in the head that you'd be willing to sleep in a dog bed like a freak but I'm going to go ahead and some way get some sort of gratification from that like what does doesn't that say
01:26:28
Catalinasomething bad about you uh I didn't think about it but I guess I I don't know I I take care of him financially I pay all of his bills like why because I
01:26:39
Brian AtlasI don't know I she's the dumb she's the D I just enjoy the Comfort it's to I don't think so you how would you you would forget that or how would you forget that I tell him he's a good boy
01:26:50
Brian Atlasthough does he bark for you he probably would if I asked him to is this surround child yeah what kind of pet Dynamic is this have you this is like that off have you seen that Office episode where they
01:27:01
Brian Atlaslike went to Jan's like Michael and Jan's house and like Jan had the whole bed she walks in with a collar he had the otom that's kind of what it is actually and then there's like a there's
01:27:11
Brian Atlaslike a what's it called you know at the edge of the bed there's a ottoman it was like an ottoman he slept on the ottoman are you 100% serious wait is it abusive
01:27:21
Andrew Wilsonif there's a contract that says he consents to this I mean look it is a BSM relationship I yeah I mean I'm sure I'm sure if a man for instance were to have some type of contract with a woman that it was okay for him to well I don't know
01:27:35
Andrew Wilsonsmack her around whenever he felt like it you would still consider that to be abusive even though it was contractual right I looked it up by law it's it's technically if it's consensual by a contract you're okay you wouldn't think that that was
01:27:47
Catalinaabusive I mean if I don't like it and I'm saying no then yeah that's a form of abuse I think how long has this been going on uh well I've known him for 8 years
01:27:59
Catalinabut it became more of a thing recently how recently like about about a year now so you guys been together for a year uh we're not together well okay hold on do you take him on walks does he get little cheats
01:28:12
Brian Atlashe actually thought that would be funny he's already talked about that yeah so um are you dating somebody else no no no no I have so how long how long how long
01:28:23
Catalinahave you been single uh about a year maybe a year and a half all right longest relationship uh 12 years was that the one that ended a year ago oh no uh I dated someone when I
01:28:34
Brian Atlasstarted dating when I was 10 years old and didn't quit till my early 20s how old were they they're also 11 same age 11 and that was the 12 year relationship uhhuh okay uh who broke up with who in
01:28:47
Catalinathe 12E relationship um he admitted something openly that like he had gotten raped and then couldn't you got to say essay man oh ESS
01:28:57
Catalinasorry ESS uh that he got essayed and then he kind of ghosted me I think he was just ashamed of the fact that he was violated okay your relationship that
01:29:08
Catalinaended a year ago how long was that one um that was a year all right who broke up with who um he just got arrested and it ended from there arrested for what he
01:29:21
Catalinatried to strangle me within five times with one night was it consensual no no no I was running I ran to the next door neighbor I was running away from him uh was this the first time he tried to hurt
01:29:31
Catalinayou no okay no it was second and after the second it was just that's done all right were you guys having an argument or no he got he was drunk he got mad about pizza I put the he ordered pizza
01:29:44
Catalinaand then he passed out and I put it in the fridge and he got mad that I put it in the fridge started just freaking out on me and screaming on me mental illness okay why are you so attracted to
01:29:55
Catalinamentally old men abusive men I don't know I don't know I I can't I can't I've never actually had a deep conversation with myself childhood trauma perhaps yeah
01:30:07
Andrew Wilsonprobably the current uh the current a guy that you're not seeing but lives in your house and you pay all of his bills uh do you have a carnal relationship with this gentleman like what wait what
01:30:18
Catalinakind of relationship I didn't sexual is it a sexual relationship um no really haven't had much sex in like a year I I would say it it has been like twice and
01:30:31
Catalinathen I just know it's not sexual anymore wait you've had sex with him Twi yeah yeah in the very beginning and then I just I just can't have sex with him anymore how often does he sleep on your
01:30:42
Catalinafloor every night oh every night he comes over and sleeps oh he lives in your house he he doesn't leave my house does he do your chores yes can can you just break down like everything he does for you um holds my jacket if I have
01:30:54
Catalinagirlfriends he holds their jackets and purses if I need him to walk to the grocery store he will if I get sick he'll take care of me if he gets sick I take care of him um um yeah everything
01:31:06
Catalinaany any house tore I need done he'll get done for me okay he just doesn't drive does he wear anything and is he is he older than you yeah he's 30 yeah okay so
01:31:17
Andrew Wilsonum the couple couple of quick questions um I'm just curious about when when if you think about what is mentally stable right or somebody who's not mentally ill
01:31:29
Andrew Wilsonwould would you see it as a sign of perhaps abnormality a man who was willing to sleep on the ground in a dog bed and be ordered about by a person who
01:31:40
Andrew Wilsonuh owned the place to the point where they would stand there as a coat rack or uh have endless demands put on them which are essentially dehumanizing uh what what is that we repeat that first part of the sentence
01:31:53
TTS Readerum please yeah you consider that mentally stable grao tact donated $200 girls do men expect extremely kinky
01:32:03
TTS ReaderSL weird stuff in bed due to Corn becoming more extreme can you give examples have you ever had to break up because a sex actor guy wanted was too crazy for you we'll come right back to
01:32:15
Catalinathat graffo go uh go ahead Andrew yeah sure I'm just wondering do you consider that to be mental mentally stable Behavior I I don't think he's mentally stable at all I have definitely know he's not mentally stable but he's not capable of taking care of himself I've
01:32:27
Andrew Wilsontried to help him get his driver's license I've tried to help him get I mean are you are you a psychologist no no I mean so you can't you can't make a a diagnosis guess I can't I can't but he doesn't about whether or not hang on
01:32:40
Andrew Wilsonhang on about whether or not a person can take care of themselves and if even if he couldn't and I'll just grant to you that he couldn't wouldn't you then defer that to professionals who could assist him so that he could take care of himself rather than exploiting a
01:32:52
Catalinamentally ill person making them sleep on the floor like a dog how is that not monstrous uh I guess I thought because it's consensual and he like wants to be next to me all the time I didn't think
01:33:03
Andrew Wilsonit was is it is it consent if a mentally ill person gives consent are they really giving consent he was a diagnoses mentally ill so I mean I I don't know I I never thought about this sorry Andrew I just wanted to jump in you mentioned
01:33:16
Deborah Laeiabefore the show that you're a mother how if you have a mentally ill person that you acknowledge is mentally ill living in your home how is how are you feel safe with your child around him like why are you exposing your child to that my daughter loves him and he's really good
01:33:29
Catalinawith my daughter too you just said that he's mentally ill well I I don't know what you guys considered mentally ill like he can take care of himself he's good with kids like what what dark would would bark like dog if requested stands
01:33:41
Andrew Wilsonas coat rack for you sleeps on the floor at like a dog is treated as a pet by you by your admission Still Human I I think that a person who would be willing to uh to do that sounds like they have some
01:33:53
Catalinascrews loose yeah mhm yeah but he's not like he has a good heart like he's not like a bad person I'm not blaming him I don't think he's bad I don't think I
01:34:03
Catalinadon't think that uh the person here who's completely unwell bad person she asked about my kid and if he was a bad person of course he wouldn't be around my kid but he's not a bad person he's actually really good with people but
01:34:16
Catalinawhat do you do you think that is not sending some sort of message or like teaching your you said it was a daughter I believe well he doesn't do that if my kid is there I sure
01:34:24
Catalinauh co-parent with my sister so if he my if my sister like gives me like we share custy um if my daughter's there he doesn't do that around my daughter no
01:34:35
Deborah Laeianot only that but do not think that it's confusing your daughter to see her mother in a relationship with a man who's a dorat for her instead of like a loving monogamous relationship or even not a monogamous relationship but like a real partner you have a point she kind
01:34:48
Catalinaof like she kind of I guess so yeah cuz she's dominant too like she kind of tells him what to do and yeah no that there's a point there yeah cuz like the Father Figure in your life or at least whoever that is maybe the stepdad the
01:35:00
Deborah Laeiadad who stepped up whatever it might be in people's situations I know that for women that really determines a lot about the future relationships that they engage in and what they expect for themselves and what they think they deserve like shout out to my dad who would warm the car up every single
01:35:13
Deborah Laeiamorning before school when I was a kid like do you not want better for your daughter than this don't you think you deserve a real partner in life who I think I'm just scared of men because I went through a year ago when I've known him for 8 years so it's easier to be
01:35:25
Catalinaclose to someone you're comfortable with than get abused again have your thought of conquering that fear and like I don't know CBT therapy or something like that to really move past it instead of just having I'm trying to go to therapy but every time I try to get therapy it seems
01:35:37
Catalinalike there's always an issue trying to get a therapist to help with something so I I I've I've definitely reached out to people I've definitely asked for help but like it seems like there's always like a insurance problem if I get that
01:35:49
Andrew Wilsonfixed there's another issue like well have you thought about the idea that uh perhaps you're just a horrible person have you thought have you have you perhaps reconciled the fact that um you
01:36:00
Catalinacould just be a [ __ ] awful person who likes to uh do damage to men no no cuz I've had boyfriend say I'm a wonderful girlfriend like I've had boyfriend when you make him sleep on the
01:36:11
Catalinafloor make him act as a coat W for your friends so you can demean him technically he's not my boyfriend but when I've had boyfriends I've cleaned their dishes taken care of their dog walked their dog I've also been the one that takes care of their stuff while
01:36:24
Andrew Wilsonthey're paying the financial bills and I just sit there and I take care of them you know I think that there's an overemphasis often on the idea of therapy therapist and the fact that you
01:36:34
Andrew Wilsonneed a mental mental health professional to come in I think that the first step uh honestly is uh where's the common sense here like uh I I don't actually even understand like where is the common
01:36:47
Andrew Wilsonsense this guy has the right to leave if you make a man sleep on the floor like a dog and then publicly Proclaim that he's your pet right you might be a horrible [ __ ] person like I don't know why
01:36:59
Deborah Laeiayou go anywhere he wants you pay all his bills why would he ever leave if you're paying all his bills he doesn't really have he's like leing off of you he's he's not trapped there either but he doesn't have an incentive to leave if you're paying all
01:37:10
Catalinahis bills why would he go be broker and homeless or whatever it might be saying if he if anybody thought I was a horrible person they can always get up and leave my place too ined him to stay in this environment
01:37:23
Deborah Laeiadependent he depend he's dependent on you he's you've incentivized him it's kind of like federal government Aid on welfare that if you're just getting a consistent check or something why would you ever go and get your own job or figure out something else like here I'll show I'll show you what she's saying
01:37:35
Andrew Wilsonright let's let's this let's reverse this for a second hang on let's reverse it let's pretend for a second that uh I was on the panel and I said well I found a mentally unwell woman who can't take
01:37:47
Andrew Wilsoncare of herself and she's totally dependent upon me at night I make her sleep on the ground right I make her do all sorts of sexual things whenever I feel like it right and I treat her like
01:37:58
Andrew Wilsona doormat in front of every woman who comes over not not a doormat like ooh I'm kind of rude to her but literally make her stand there with her arm extended and then me and my friends hang
01:38:09
Andrew Wilsonour coats and balance our drinks from her little nose would you would any woman here not say that that was [ __ ] horrific and that I was a monster go
01:38:20
Andrew Wilsonahead I just by a show of hand who would say if I said all of that to you that I was a monster show of
01:38:28
Andrew Wilsonhands yeah yeah okay but somehow The Sisterhood can't be bothered to express to this woman that what she's doing is
01:38:38
Emily[ __ ] monstrous no one's ever said anything to me yeah I'm sure they haven't well I guess it's because on Twitter like I've seen a lot of stuff
01:38:49
Emilyabout um findom so like what is that findom is I don't know specific terms and all that but um she's just saying we don't King Shame around here exactly I was
01:39:01
Emilylike some people are into that stuff so I just try to like respectfully listen I haven't really thought that people are like mentally ill yeah but if it was man you're saying allive people are mentally
01:39:13
Catalinathat's basically what you're saying is all all people that want to actually be cuz there's people that pay people to be made people that enjoy that like there's people that dress up in sex outfits and clean your house and live there
01:39:25
Andrew Wilsonpermanently yeah they're mentally unwell they're mentally unwell these the listen you can't that a guy who demands that you take his last dime so that he can come
01:39:35
Andrew Wilsonharder is not a mentally unwell man of course they're mentally unwell and it's and it's exploiting that mental unwellness and it's like somehow I don't understand why women give each other a
01:39:47
Catalinapass on this why not like you sick psychopath why are you doing this horrible thing to this guy I I I don't actually get it I guess I I I can explain that we get we some women when
01:39:58
Catalinawe're like doing this [ __ ] we get like kind of I don't know our brain when Society is like oh that's okay then we start doing we get used to doing that stuff it's not anybody doesn't tell us it's wrong we're not going to break that
01:40:09
Catalinapattern of being like oh that that doesn't sound right no you know because we kind of get like into this like just as all of society kind of brainwashed into [ __ ] and we kind of like don't think that's brainwashing yeah but did
01:40:21
Catalinahe ask for this or did you propose the idea he asked for the dog bed he's asked for this stuff like I didn't did he like sit you down have a conversation with you actually yeah kind of yeah a little bit and do
01:40:34
Catalinayou ever see this ending is there an end point in the future yeah I haven't thought about that but they're yeah but the the I mean if I if I met somebody that I actually enjoyed spending time
01:40:45
Catalinawith that actually like wasn't like wanted to do the equal part like get a have a car and they had a good job then yeah I would be like yeah you know what I I found someone that I actually appreciate like they want to put half of
01:40:57
Deborah Laeiathe weight into the relationship I probably would be like this is not going to work go it seems like from everything that you've said about relationships that like relationships to you are just like a financial situation where like if we want to go 50/50 provide for him he provides for me but like in my opinion
01:41:11
Deborah Laeiathere's so much more like especially when it comes to long-term monogamy and having a child already if her dad's not in her life having a strong person to help I know being a single mom it's impossible to do everything that's amazing that your sister helps out but even being able to spend enough quality
01:41:24
Deborah Laeiatime with your child while also trying to bring income in I'm only 24 I don't have a daughter but I do have friends who have you know children and they have husbands who are very helpful and I can't imagine them doing things they like to have a good man yeah has this
01:41:37
Deborah Laeiastarted from when you were young have you always gone after abusive men or at least men who just weren't up high value up to the standard really wanted you for everything that you are and not just the financial aspect yeah yeah it's been an
01:41:49
Deborah Laeiaissue with starting with my my narcissistic mother to like uh the men she dated yeah so so do you see that you're repeating that pattern for your daughter now when you can break
01:42:00
Catalinathe cycle instead and choose better um I've started to notice it more recently and it's been very difficult to break something that's psychologically
01:42:10
Catalinaingrained into me I need like that's that's not an overnight healing thing that you can just do overnight that is a lot of work to put in well is your daughter not worth putting in the work for well yes she is so then why is not
01:42:23
Deborah Laeiastart tomorrow kick him out of your house you don't have to find a new man but you can put all that energy into your child and you can heal and attract somebody who wants you for who you are not just any Financial benefits that you can offer not for a dog bed for
01:42:36
Catalinagenuinely who you are as a human being you know I actually the last week I've been like we've started fighting about stupid [ __ ] and I was like you know I don't know why I'm doing this but I've been doing it for a while and it's not
01:42:48
Catalinaenjoyable like it was when it when we were first like connected it was just a past relationship and I'm dragging that along with me cuz I'm scared of like fully embracing being in the future and
01:43:00
Andrew Wilsonall in the past and I think that's just trauma just holding me back from being happy the best advice I ever got no you're not you're not a victim here you got let go you're not a victim you're
01:43:10
Andrew Wilsonthe victimizer here you're the victimizer not the victim like every time every time I I see this this pattern of when a woman is clearly
01:43:21
Andrew Wilsonvictimizing man clearly Vic victimizing him well it's okay don't give me too much push back because after all I have former trauma it's like that's no excuse I'm sorry you don't you don't you don't get to do horrible things to people
01:43:32
Andrew Wilsonbecause horrible things were done to you all of us have had horrible things done to us all of us no you're no exception right everybody's had horrible things done to them in life and have dealt with horrible challenges in life everybody
01:43:45
Andrew Wilsonhas dealt with horrible challenges yeah right you what you're doing right now right you should you should be reflective because um this is this is Psych it's psychotic and horrific and you like you just got to stop right you
01:43:56
Andrew Wilsonjust got to stop doing it it's it's it's horrific yeah but I would say like no one's perfect we can all learn from everything and and you know oh yeah yeah that's fine you know just go shoot a guy down the road and be like yeah no one's
01:44:09
Andrew Wilsonperfect you know I you got to live and learn you're a perfect person what do you mean I I I wasn't allowed to go shoot that it's like come on yeah but you haven't made mistakes you haven't made mistakes you're perfect like you
01:44:21
Andrew Wilsonhaven't had trauma affect your life like you're I just got done telling you that not only have I dealt with all sorts of personal baggage trauma all sorts of things right just like everybody else
01:44:31
Andrew Wilsonhas that is not an excuse for me to be a horrible person but you learned from I don't I don't get a pass like no one's ever going to be like well Andrew you being a horrible bastard I'm going to go
01:44:43
Andrew Wilsonahead and give you the pass on that because of past trauma but for some reason reflexively women go because horrible thing done to me I was a perfect angel till some man corupted me so therefore doing horrible things to
01:44:55
Deborah Laeiaother people is acceptable it's not acceptable I was traumatized when a Zen was spit in my cup I'm not spitting in anybody else's Cup this time I mean you I think I actually just saw you put
01:45:03
Brian Atlassomething in my cup you wish what the [ __ ] uh okay all right all right uh thank you Rachel for the Super Chat by the way poen oh there you go there you
01:45:14
Deborah Laeiago okay we have a chat here from Lucas uh can you read it Deborah yes I also we missed that to go back to that one from before whenever nice PEB Herman response it's suddenly obvious that you're quite the highbrow intellect nevertheless I've
01:45:26
Deborah Laeiabeen married 22 years plus two kids oh and by the way my billing rate is 1250 an hour so do the math wait are you cry are you crying are you crying are you crying cuz you did horrible [ __ ] things to a
01:45:38
Andrew Wilsonperson and you finally realize that you're doing horrible things to a person no I just you need you need to cry it's good for you to cry that's you know what that's called called taking resp I get that but you got to understand like people aren't [ __ ] perpect people
01:45:51
Catalinamake mistakes and we can learn from you shouldn't just be like Oh I'm a [ __ ] human being just because I didn't recognize something I can change and I can grow oh boohoo oh you did a horrible thing to a person and you it was pointed
01:46:03
Andrew Wilsonout that you need to stop being horrible [ __ ] told me was doability take some accountability for the horrible [ __ ] things that you're doing and you you should cry about it because it's [ __ ] awful it's awful so
01:46:15
Andrew Wilsonyou never treated a girl like [ __ ] before no I've never made a woman sleep on the ground like a dog and took her from walks and exploited her mental illness it's psychotic and you know what he doesn't I don't even know if he has a [ __ ] mental illness so that's a
01:46:27
Catalina[ __ ] assumption he seems on a for like a dog at his own request wanted to I didn't ask him to [ __ ] do that he wanted to do that that was his choice I told him he could sleep on the head the bed he wanted guy comes over wants to
01:46:41
Andrew Wilsoncut off his arm are you going to be like well it was his choice I told him he could sleep on the bed he chose to sleep on the floor how is that my [ __ ] fault because you have agency and accountability and
01:46:54
Andrew Wilsonas an adult he can choose to sleep on the floor he can choose to sleep on the bed that's not that doesn't make me a horrible [ __ ] person you have a duty an accountable Duty because you are
01:47:05
Catalinamentally well so I if he wants to sleep on the floor should say get up on the bed get up on the bed get up on the bed cuz that is not fair to me to tell a person how they should be living their life if he wants to live on the floor he can live on the floor if he wants to
01:47:19
Deborah Laeialive on the bed he can get up on the bed and sleep on the bed I gave him that option but if you didn't play the part of like him being your pet would he still do that if you just treat him like a normal human being instead of a dog I don't that's what he wants then maybe if
01:47:31
Catalinayou just stopped doing that he wouldn't find use with you of that anymore well I mean maybe I don't know I just told him he could sleep on the bed I never said hey you can do this or you want this he chose to sleep on the floor that was his
01:47:43
Andrew Wilsonwell look how quick those fake tears dried up wow cool bro that's really great
01:47:58
Catalinaawkward someone someone asked a question earlier we didn't get back I like that you invalidate the fact that someone actually has motion because you think that I'm some psycho but yeah you actually think you're some God right like you think you're the best do I
01:48:10
Andrew Wilsondon't think I'm a God I think I but but here's the thing right it's like what it's not godly it's not it's not me thinking to tell you to stop being a
01:48:20
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] horrific human being and put floor putting him on the floor treating I didn't put him on the floor and they made that very clear I gave the option to sleep on the bed I gave him that
01:48:32
Catalinaoption I didn't say hey go sleep on the floor I didn't tell him to sleep on the floor he has the option to sleep on a bed he chose to do that so he has every right to do that or he has every right
01:48:42
Catalinato sleep on the bed he as a 30-year-old man he can do whatever the [ __ ] he wants to do I just I gave him the option have no responsibility no accountability no Duty what what do you want me to grab
01:48:54
Catalinahim by his arms and put him on my fing bed I don't I'm not controlling how about you can you get him some help I I don't know how I'm not in control of a [ __ ]
01:49:06
Andrew Wilson30-year-old you don't have to be in contr can go he can go to anything get the resources if this if if you're in charge to the point where you can treat him like a coat rack and hang your jacket on him you think you can't take
01:49:18
Andrew Wilsonhim you think if you say hey boy come on and get in the car cuz I'm going to take you over to the clinic so that they can get you mentally evaluated he's not going to go with you you just don't have any Duty here you have no I mean I've taken him to get an Obama phone I he got
01:49:31
Catalinaan Obama phone I've taken him to get food stamps I've put in the time to actually take care of this person and make sure they're trying to get steps towards going somewhere else because you get because you get off on torturing him
01:49:42
Catalinano I don't yeah you do otherwise you wouldn't make him stand as a coat rack and hang your coats I don't necessarily offers to take people's coats like he offers to help out
01:49:55
Andrew Wilsonmhm I mean this the story kind of changes by the second so that you can make it sound like it's less horrible than what it is you have a duty you have a responsibility you're crying cuz it's the first time anybody's ever told you that how did you get through life how
01:50:08
Andrew Wilsondid you get this far in life without somebody telling you that you're not allowed to do that to
01:50:15
Andrew Wilsonpeople because maybe you're making it seem bad worse than it actually is yeah whatever yeah maybe you're making it try to seem like it's not as bad as it actually is because that's another form
01:50:25
Brian Atlasof validation look at me okay all righty then okay well we have going to uh unless Andrew did you have more you [ __ ] on me for crying and you
01:50:37
Andrew Wilsonsay it's not okay for me good good I'll [ __ ] on you you know I'm not [ __ ] on you for crying right you said are you are you really [ __ ] crying right now and then you said I should [ __ ] cry so what make up your godamn mind C good
01:50:48
Andrew Wilsongood cry good yeah I [ __ ] will cry you need to what you're doing is horrific good cry about it cry more the [ __ ] you say that I'm the [ __ ]
01:51:01
CatalinaYouTube one you're telling me to [ __ ] go cry on from this [ __ ] you want to be my dom why don't you [ __ ] be my domm while you're at it tell me what the [ __ ] do tell me when I should go to the [ __ ] bathroom you want to be your
01:51:13
Brian AtlasAndrew she she's looking for she's switching roles she was the sub she or no she was the Dom now she wants to be a sub Andrew's are married man just letting you know so he's probably not
01:51:24
Brian Atlasavailable he's not available as his representative as his agent as his PR person he's not available to Dom you I'm sorry I don't want that but I'm just saying he tell me what to do so it
01:51:36
Andrew Wilsonsounds like you want to be my dad you would be a good D told me to cry [ __ ] is happening right now you know the thing is that ultimately let's go back to the question ultimately I'm I'm a very I'm very much a very kind man and what
01:51:49
Catalinayou're doing is hor doing is just very [ __ ] kind man in the must Yeah well yeah that's right because because here the actual victim
01:51:59
Brian Atlasthe actual victim who's not you is who you should be crying for not for you next question anyways uh that was a that was that was an exchange that
01:52:10
Brian Atlashappened uh so okay we have graffo tagged he asked like three questions um I'll pull it back
01:52:17
TTS Readerup I think we can only do donated $200 girls do men expect extremely kinky SL weird stuff in bed due to Corn becoming
01:52:28
TTS Readermore extreme can you give examples have you ever had to break up because a sex actor guy wanted was too crazy for you anybody
01:52:42
Amelia Davisanybody no I think thre su's a little bit crazy like my ex would be like oh you want to do threeome I'm like no that's disgusting to me I by the way guys just reminder for I mean I know we don't
01:52:53
Brian Atlasalways like really disclose this but typically we just do one question per message it gets complicated if there's like three different questions um I just to be fair to you
01:53:05
Brian Atlasgraffito has a guy how about this has a guy ever like asked you to do something that you just were like nah and you think maybe it's cuz he was like a [ __ ] porn Deen I the guy asked me to
01:53:17
Brian Atlas[ __ ] in his mouth one time that's disgusting I couldn't do it oh no what if he p you to do it do it then like like a mill you want to do for a mill no
01:53:27
Amelia Davis10 I'd be too shy I beat on someone for no that's Health that's like gosh Health violation right there all righto tag there you go you got what you wanted get severely sick by doing that was it the white guy
01:53:40
Caliis it peeing on people actually he's French like European so oh no don't bring up the mouth not the he ask you in person like face to face no he messaged
01:53:50
Amelia Davisme but then he asked me also what ate that day oh my God this this man had mental illness for sure oh yeah but I didn't do it I just yeah um all right he
01:54:01
Brian Atlassays oh boy all right Lucas uh what a vile dog [ __ ] okay that's crazy you know what I can't read that that first part you know what my ancestors in ancients
01:54:10
Brian Atlasare you Greek Lucas um would do to useless damn chill out Lucas bro uh not sure if the TTS is appropriate you think bro I can't read the rest I'm sorry bro
01:54:21
Brian Atlasbut uh all right thank you Lucas I appreciate the the messages uh relationship status um in a relationship how long you've been together uh 6
01:54:31
Brian Atlasmonths or so all right longest relationship 9 years all right any kids no ever married no engaged planned a whole wedding but it was cancel I see
01:54:43
Tanyathe nine-year relationship who broke up with who um I I guess he would say me you broke up with him all right the six-month relationship how do y'all meet
01:54:52
Brian Atlasoh we met at the jalap theater in 2010 actually so we've kept in touch as all right okay Deborah's not here unfortunately so we're going to have to
01:55:04
Brian Atlasget into uh why don't we do uh let's do a quick twitch shout out then we'll get into so we got some juicy questions here so let's go to Twitch guys go to