RAGE QUITS?! Andrew Wilson vs. Liberal Feminists! 2+24? TOO Picky?! | Dating Talk #161

Date: 2024-05-15

Duration: 7h 18m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_04Paige(guest)

SPEAKER_05Yael(guest)

SPEAKER_06Lissa(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Lauren(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ena(guest)

SPEAKER_13Haley(guest)

SPEAKER_14Audrey(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAudrey chooses bear: "I would say a bear because I know that at least like the worst thing he could do is kill me, a man could do a variety of things"

QuoteAndrew calculates that if 30-40% of men would attack women, that equals 33-55 million American men who would assault women in the woods

QuoteAndrew's bear logic test: "walk over to random men you don't know, reach over and pat them on the head and walk away; do the same with wild bears — which one attacks you quicker"

ControversySophia says she would rather be killed in a home invasion than have her husband use a gun to defend them because she is terrified of firearms

QuoteLissa rates herself a 10 out of 10; says she is "showstopping"

QuoteAndrew Wilson rates himself a 4 out of 10 on looks

ControversyLauren directly challenges Andrew Wilson on his treatment of born-again women: "it sort of seems like you are extra harsh on them... it doesn't seem like it's coming from love"

ControversyYael accuses Andrew of hypocrisy: "do you know what's also wrong — smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol... your body is a temple"

ControversyAudrey expresses collective frustration near end of show: "we feel a little bit irritated and a little bit disrespected... we came here thinking we were going to speak about our experience and all we did was essentially get argued against"

QuoteFinal body count round: Audrey states body count of 2; most others decline to answer

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Brian introduces the panel; each guest states name, age, location, occupation, and relationship status. Includes extended discussion of Yael's complicated situationship with ex-boyfriend at Cal Poly.

Friends with exes

Panel discusses whether remaining friends with an ex is a good look in a new relationship.

Man vs bear viral debate

Extended multi-round discussion of the viral "man or bear in the woods" question. Panel divided; most chose bear. Andrew Wilson and Brian present statistical and logical rebuttals. Covers per capita attack rates, anthropomorphizing animals, bear vs man safety.

Bumble swiping segment

Each guest given 20 Bumble profiles to swipe yes/no on. Most guests were very selective (few or no yes swipes). Discussion of why they said no to most profiles.

Gun ownership and home invasion

Panel asked about comfort with partners owning firearms and home invasion scenario. Several guests expressed fear of guns; Sophia said she would rather be killed than have husband use a gun. Haley stated a man must own a firearm to date her.

Self-ratings (looks 1-10)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Ratings ranged from 4 (Andrew) to 10 (Lissa). Extended debate about what a 10 means and whether self-rating reflects comparative standards.

Attractiveness over time and fertility

Brian asks if guests will be more attractive in 10 years. Andrew follows up asking about fertility decline. Debate about whether women peak in 20s and delusional self-assessments.

Taking a bullet / gender roles in protection

Panel asked if men should take a bullet for their girlfriend. Extended discussion of car-or-Grim-Reaper sacrifice scenarios. Debate about whether expecting men to defend honor while rejecting bullet-taking is inconsistent.

Andrew Wilson vs born-again women / women in clergy

Lauren challenges Andrew on his treatment of born-again women on the show. Andrew explains he objects to false theology not personal reform. Extended theological debate about whether women can be Christian clergy; Andrew cites 1 Timothy.

Feminism, oppression, and men vs women

Broad debate on feminism, whether patriarchy exists, gender oppression comparisons, male vs female emotional decision-making, and whether women should vote.

Military conscription and draft equity

Brian and Andrew argue that male-only selective service is a counter-example to feminist equity arguments. Audrey struggles to propose an equitable solution. Discussion of whether women being exempt from draft is a privilege.

Racism toward white people / white privilege

Panel asked if you can be racist toward white people. Lissa says no (prejudice+power definition). Andrew challenges with bigotry framing. Brief white privilege discussion.

Closing chaos roast section

TTS donation roast messages read aloud. Body count round at end. Audrey states body count of 2. Others decline. Brian wraps up and does Twitch raid.

Transcript

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Audreyracism is Prejudice plus power and white people in the context of American society have systematically been the people who held the power you can go back to the Genesis of

Brian AtlasAmerica any quick thoughts on this

Andrew WilsonAndrew yeah I mean I I would just move on from here to something a little more light-hearted yeah I just I just want to say Andrew the the the debate the debate

Andrew Wilsongoat doesn't want to okay all right well I mean I would like to engage in it but I I don't feel like um like if if I if we get into this you and I and I'm

Andrew Wilsonreally good faith about it do you really have any interest at all in tangling up on this because I would like to get into it with you but you just seem like you're just kind of adamant about moving on from

Haleyhere you would be right you would be she says you would be right true um I I just want to say I think it's I think it's stupid to talk about race why does race matter

Haleywhatsoever I mean it it's based off of someone's actions not the color of their skin at all I agree I mean the way that you

Laurencan't control your race and exactly so why do put it into the mix it creates it go ask the colonizers why it mattered like I don't know what you mean by that

Haleywell I think I just to them I wish it didn't to them it was wrong of them to care matter I think that it's something that's still drug on to this day and I

Brian Atlasdon't think that I mean there's a lot of I don't I think it's hard to be racist today well so is there white privilege for those of you who said no to the RAC

Lissaso I assume you guys would agree that there's white privilege yeah I mean just even by hearing her speak on the fact that she doesn't think racism is a thing anymore I feel like kind of speaks on

Haleylike white privil I I don't think that's what you said no I wasn't saying no not at all I'm just saying I think it's harder to be racist in today's

Haleysociety just because like in a workplace or something you can take that to court like it's not something that I think it's around a lot yeah I mean you're just looking at it through an

Andrew Wilsonintersectional worldview right from an intersectional worldview you think that racism essentially exists because there's systems in place which favor one

Andrew Wilsonperceived social constructed race over another perceive social constructed race right is that correct is that for me yeah it's your

TTS/Donations[Music] argument not I'm sorry sitting dead dead center racism die stop using it period amen okay thank

Andrew Wilsonyou AC appreciate the one who said that you you thought that um that white privilege must exist just based on her speaking about RAC

Andrew Wilsonall sorry what was your question do you yeah you yep what was your question I was asking you if you view this on an intersectional basis based on systems of

Andrew Wilsonpower and you believe essentially that whites are at the top of that hierarchy and so therefore they cannot be racist only other people can be or I'm sorry

Andrew Wilsononly they can be racist not other people yeah that's how you view it yeah yeah so where do where would um would you fall in that higher would you say that you couldn't be racist you can only have

Andrew Wilsonpeople be racist towards you no I don't think so well I mean so then so then are you do you consider yourself in that top

Lissathreshold then of um of basically whites who are in control no not that either I think that I have the ability to be oppressed and I also have the ability to be the one

Lissadoing the oppression okay so you think that people can be racist towards you yeah I'm Hispanic so I fully believe

Andrew Wilsonthat I can be the oppressor and also be the one being oppressed um in your world Hispanics are essentially white or huh in your world view you consider the

Andrew Wilsonpower Dynamic of Hispanics to be that of the power Dynamic of whites um no I view it as a lesser than then I don't understand because I thought that you said that the only

Lissapeople who could be oppressors are the people at the top of the uh racial hierarchy in this in this case whites yeah but I feel like if I was in a position of power even though I'm

LissaHispanic I can still be an oppressor especially because of the fact that I have like certain privileges that come with like being white passing for example so that's why I speak on that in

Andrew Wilsonthat sense so then so then how can people be racist towards you then that's what I don't understand um I can give you a direct example um no no no no no hang on hang on before you give a direct

Andrew Wilsonexample I want to make sure you know what I'm saying yeah I understand it is your worldview that whites cannot have racism attributed towards them because they're

Andrew Wilsonat the top of the hierarchy right yeah okay and you agree that you are not at the top of this hierarchy yes is that okay got it so so you're underneath what

Andrew Wilsonyou think is the traditional white hierarchy yes okay now can can you say that people can be bigoted still towards whites even if they can't be racist yeah

Andrew Wilsonokay can you tell me why it would be more immoral to be bigoted than racist more or less moral you said more

Andrew Wilsonimmoral why would it be more or less immoral to be bigoted versus racist or are they morally equivalent um I don't I don't know well like if you're bigoted towards w a white

Andrew Wilsonperson because you can't be racist towards them is being bigoted towards a white person just as bad as being racist towards a black person maybe I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow well because if it is and and bigotry can still exist and bigotry against whites can still exist and I just want to know which is worse than the other I think both are very bad I

Andrew Wilsondon't I don't know what you want me to say about that if they're both bad then if we just replace racist towards with bigoted towards then wouldn't that still create kind of the same Dynamic that

Andrew Wilsonother races can still be bigoted towards white people and so therefore just as bad as when whites are racist towards those races no it's not the same dynamic because then other races are still

Lissaexperiencing that systematic oppression that actual racism like for example getting if you're bigoted against them that the white people who are getting bigoted against wouldn't be facing you

Lissaget what I'm saying no one final thought from the both of you on this and I do have to move things on yeah no no I don't I don't understand what you're saying so you're not saying that s you're don't you don't understand how

TTS/Donationssystematic oppression can 2008 donated $200 imagine living in the country that bestowed those privileges upon you anyone can live the highest perceived

TTS/Donationssuccess level possible I came from poverty to the middle

Andrew Wilsonclass any quick final thoughts from the both of you on this and then I have to move things along yeah I'm just saying that if morally they're not more one's not more reprehensible than the other then other races being bigoted towards

Andrew Wilsonwhites would be morally equivalent to whites being racist towards other races there still there are moral equivalents in your worldview so I mean one isn't worse than the other on a small scale no

Brian Atlason a large scale yeah so I stand by my own Point okay well moving on moving on uh let me just check here I'm going to

Brian Atlaspull up a couple chats we have Player 11 uh when I was young I wanted a career that would be both rewarding and fulfilling as a provider is it wrong for

Brian Atlasme to expect a woman to uphold her motherly roles I spent my life trying to build this so you wanted a career that would be rewarding and fulfilling as a provider is it wrong for him to expect a woman to uphold her motherly roles if

Haleyhe's the provider uh any thoughts on that from anybody at the panel not at all I think it's perfectly fair to want a woman to take care of your kids and stay at home with them uh

Brian Atlasjust you three really quick on this is it wrong for him to expect a woman to uphold her motherly roles if he's going to be the uh

Audreyprovider no is the is that woman his baby mama uh sure let's assume they have two

Audreychildren um in in that situation I think that it's if he wants to be the provider and the woman it was wants to be the one that takes care of the children that's that expectation isn't necessary CU you

Brian Atlastilt your mic down just a bit tilt it this like tilt it down move it just from no yeah pull it oh okay what about you I

Sophiaplayed the fifth come on just answer this is totally benign question just answer the question I played the fifth I'm not me I'm really tired I'm not mentally here anymore unfortunately so I

Sophiadon't think any real like I'll skip you for everything then yeah he's fine for thinking

Brian Atlasthat you guys can answer okay fine I'm just I'm moving on I'm just moving that's perfectly fine yes all right we have women have the power of creating other humans with great power comes great responsibility okay hey thank

Brian Atlasthank you Ben George appreciate it thank you man we have gr Gracie coming in here in just a second thank you Ben George appreciate it and then we

Brian Atlashave gr Gracie ladies how about a compromise men get drafted off to war while women take their places as roofers sewage plant workers asphalt layers and

Brian Atlaslaborers fle sure okay thank you thank you Gracie that's the tradeoff rzy Rosie the Riveter whatever uh she did stuff I

Brian Atlasguess okay and then we have ACL 2008 what gender of American citizens are required to register forel

Brian Atlasfor Selective Service all male female uh are you asking this

Brian Atlaslike the answer is mail um so yeah answer is mail or just male I don't know if you're trying to ask the women that question but yes it is male women are are not subject to military conscription

Brian Atlasin the United States and the vast majority of other countries we have desert Joe shite panel you can see the point in several topics when they realize their arguments were wrong but they are incapable of admitting it was wrong now they've just tuned out move on

Brian Atlasalready okay that's from Desert Joe 3 minutes ago all right thank you desert Joe much appreciated and then we do have Matt here Matt says is there a very

Brian Atlasmanly wooded area maybe Texas Mississippi in a very berry wooded area that we remote in the people who prefer to be with the Min bears like Andrew Wilson remotes in for the next episode

Brian Atlasneeds to be a good live feed area like Yellowstone bear territory okay uh yes we will get in touch with the park park rangers and we will set

Brian Atlasthat up Matt we will have them do a uh what's it called a uh you know okay oops [ __ ] can somebody fix that

Brian Atlaswhere's can you go grab it welcome to the whatever podcast [ __ ] the walls are falling apart it's ridiculous thank you Matt man appreciate it uh let me just

Brian Atlassee here we will do a quick shout out yo guys go to twitch.tv whatever drop voice crack nice drop us a follow and a prime sub if you have one twitch.tv whatever

Brian Atlasif you're watching us over there on Twitch we have almost 2,000 of view on Twitch so drop us a follow in the prime sub thank you guys appreciate it uh last question then we'll go into a short

Brian Atlaschaos roast round and then we're going to wrap up the show so let me just check here my notes uh final question should

Brian Atlaswe ask a dating related question just to kind of put the bow on the is that what it's called a bow the cherry on

Brian Atlastop wait no there's okay well let me let me see the the pre-show notes for some of you other guys who weren't really included did here uh Haley she's a goat

Brian Atlasmilker yep hit that well like hit hit the I that's that came outd didn't okay uh you said I'm trying to see here

Brian Atlaswhat's uh you don't agree with not getting married only having long-term commited relationship I understand completely why you don't want to uh also don't agree with your position on not protecting your significant other I think you make great points but also

Brian Atlasthink it's very contradicting from saying you're a man of God okay well I see uh okay I see what you're saying um well we won't linger too long on that but uh yeah I'm I'm not in favor of

Brian Atlasgetting married so did you want to provide a brief push back on that um no I understand give these girls some energy drinks get them some get them you want an energy drink I know you want an

Brian Atlascome on you want an energy drink right C4 200 200 grams of caffeine let's just [ __ ] do I promise we won't do this all night I was like I've already had what about you you seem you need plead

Audreythe fifth you need to plead some C4 energy drink into your esophagus probably but I'm okay I just want to make it clear that guy he said that all

Audreyof us looked like we were low energy and mopi because our points had been supposedly proven wrong um I've been talking for nearly 6 hours um and I'm

Audreystill will like I just think that I have better my time is better valued um than arguing to the ends of the Earth about why feminism exists or why men are oppressed for having to enter the draft

AudreyI have homework to do and I'm a student what do you what do you want to talk about what time is it I came here to talk about dating all right give me give me a dating thing give me a dating thing you're the host of this podcast you give me a dating thing no you give me you

Audreygive me a dating thing you can go read my show notes then your show did you even provide let me look yeah I dm'd you your questions oh let me look it must have been more

Brian Atlasrecently um okay Audrey oh okay nothing uh funny stories people get getting done dirty frat hookup culture fear of uh okay fear of commitment reasons girls are in

Audreyrelationships versus boys how boys view girls fear of do you have a fear of commitment when it comes to dating um sometimes if I'm allowed to choose the topic though I think that my

Audreythe answer to my last question was the most relevant I don't know if there's really I don't have a lot of bandwidth to answer it now because I'm sure that Andrew would have a f day with this one um because it was mostly a

Audreyjoke but you guys don't really take jokes the same way that I thought um maybe you would so but you you can feel free to read it out loud if you are

Brian Atlascurious I can take jokes I'm good at taking jokes Andrew he's a comedian he used to be a standup comedian he's now blood Sports debater he can he can

Audreyhandle some jokes you want to just say it it's it's in the notes you can just keep reading my notes if that's um what your closing remarks are or whatever I want to hear a good joke it's not a joke

Audreyit it's just funny to me but I think that maybe it would unravel my feminist argument and I can't have that happen on the show you don't you want to just Sayan it's been happening all night I don't know why you'd be mad about it

Andrew Wilsonnow see that now that that was a joke right it was a joke to you at my expense joke was good but it was a good it was a good joke you could have laughed you know was lightening up the room it was great

Audreyno one's laughing no not not even not even a smile it it was um it was like really fresh of you I'm like it it helped your agenda but like it's not helping mine so I'm not going to laugh is that oh that's fair I'll make

Andrew Wilsonsure that when you when you tell the funny story then that I won't laugh either because it'll help your agenda or just whatever goofy [ __ ] you said yeah that's fine I didn't ask you to be my cheerleader well that's good cuz I'm not

Brian Atlasgoing to be perfect I'm glad we're on the same page yeah okay you can make a homework assignment about it your thing was you said you have this evolutionary hot take about men being

Brian AtlasNatural Born hunters and women being gatherers as to why girls and boys act the way they do in relationships also lots of men want the intimacy of her relationship but not the commitment it

Brian Atlasentails so there's kind of two parts there um this evolutionary hotake men being natural and hunters and women being gatherers to why girls and boys act the

Audreyway they do in relationships do you want to give a bit of a Nuance there sure um I think we touched a lot on gender roles through the lens of

Audreyevolution today um and if I were to expand upon it how would I put this in a way that's not I think that that it's a good way to

Audreyunderstand the way that men view like sex particularly um in a relationship compared to women women tend to and my experience VI you sex is a lot more of

Audreyan investment compared to men um and I can't speak for men on this this is my perception from their

Audreybehavior okay um and so I think that in hookup culture hookup culture might I actually

AudreyI would say that maybe it Advantage as both sexes but as someone who sometimes had a hard time grappling with the idea that if you were to why men wouldn't necessarily invest in the same way

Audreyum I think that when you put it through the lens of evolution and men wanting to innately spread their seed I think that

Audreythere is a a way that you can argue it I don't think that it's necessarily true now cuz I think that it's kind of a crude

Audreyargument to make um that was my haot take M um is that men commit in a way that's differently than women do it in terms of

Audreywhat what's the basis for their commitment um I think that women are more easily willing to commit sometimes

Audreyum at least I know that I am um are you I mean it depends on the relationship I think I've kind of learned a lot now but I mean you said you've been single for

Audreyfour years yeah I would commit to someone that is a worthy investment what do you mean a worthy investment like he wouldn't cheat he wouldn't leave

Brian Atlasme there's not other factors um yeah there are other ones so a guy in order to get a relationship with you a guy just has to be

Brian Atlasloyal and what was the other thing well I'm I'm not saying that loyalty is the only one I'm sure there's plenty of guys that would be loyal to you but you wouldn't be for example physically attracted to them yeah so I'll find one

Brian Atlasthat I'm physically attracted to okay yeah but I mean so you're saying that lots of men want the intimacy of a relationship but not the commitment it

Brian Atlasentails so are you when you say intimacy do you mean sex no I don't mean just sex other things emotional intimacy

Audreyokay I find that a lot of men contend to choose to be emotionally vulnerable in the moments that are convenient to them um

Audreybut in terms of what it means for a relationship in its entirety I don't think that they like that I think that they choose to be emotionally vulnerable but without actually the contingencies and the

Audreycommitment that a relationship entails if that makes any sense what what's going on over here I'm just waiting it's just really late look

Sophialet me ask you a question have you ever worked a job oh I do I have two jobs at the moment you have a fulltime job fulltime student yes right yeah so you're currently in an air

Brian Atlasconditioned it's fine it's fine you're currently in an air conditioned Penthouse apartment uh talking about dating topics culture War stuff

Brian Atlasuh I kind of want to just say like sack up like you've been you've had a Sour Puss on your face for the past hour like it's not that hard to remain chipper for

Brian Atlasthe duration of the show um I mean we've been pretty uh chill about you like going back there being on your

Brian Atlasphone whatever we get it you have Tik Tok brain you're bored cool we get it it's not that hard to just like remain put on like

Brian Atlasa you know do you not normally stay up late bro it's so funny these girls will complain oh it's 11:00 p.m. bro y'all y'all you party no you don't party no

Brian Atlasyou've never been out till 2 3 4: a.m. drinking dancing walking around doing all this [ __ ] didn't have two jobs you're 21 when I go out I don't get

Audreygrilled by misogynistic men all the time and I'm motivated to go out because it's fun you guys won't answer the questions back so hold on uh so is Andrew the

Andrew Wilsonmisogynist am I are we both the misogynist here I guess like you guys what do you guys call yourselves Patriarchs I didn't say that Andrew said that Andrew okay but you said misogynistic men so I'm going to just assume you were I I don't understand

Andrew Wilsonwhat patriarchy has to do with sorry I didn't mean to use a buzz word here well okay so I assume you were also referring to me I feel I feel like I've been super respectful to you I I didn't say that you were disrespecting me I didn't say that well then how am I a misogynist I

Audreydon't I don't get it I'm not going to argue about whether or not about why you think that I am or not correct and my take of you it's my take of you and you can take it or leave it it really doesn't matter I think you're Miss

Andrew Wilsonum okay I don't really care what you think yeah I know but you should because apparently you do you you must care what I think because you uh you had to comment on it right you had to say well

Audreyuh this guy over here who's been nothing but respectful to me the entire night uh is a misogynist well you criticized us for being mute you just grilled the [ __ ] out of her for not talking talking oh I

Andrew Wilsondidn't do [ __ ] okay sorry I've been sitting here quietly you grilled her for not talking is that misogynist this is why I I've never really thought that me being mean on this podcast or what is perceived as mean or tone policing has

Andrew Wilsonever been a problem I think that women basically just get upset if I disagree with them that's it well you disagree on every count you think it's kind of exhausting to be disagreed with for six hours so

Andrew Wilsonwhat good thing I'm getting paid for this am I right I don't know if you are or you aren't it's not my show but uh I can tell you this that what is it what is it uh what does it matter if you're girl from for for 6 hours if it's an

Andrew Wilsonadversarial dating Talk podcast there's going to be arguments I mean cuz I wouldn't do that for fun and by the way I don't even feel like you were really grilled um like I've had some women on the hot SE for all time I think that's

Audreyfine and and honestly I've really valued talking to someone who has such starkly different opinions than I do I think that I you doesn't sound like it it sounds like you're super upset I'm not

Audreysuper I'm just kind of agitated that you guys are grilling us and it's been this long I'm just saying like can you try to find a common ground instead of trying to always be right every single time that you've gone around you're looking for the answers where you can disagree

Audreyand then you're trying to prove them wrong yeah and then you won't answer the questions that we have for you hold on no no no no hold on hold on first off I'll answer the questions you have for me okay hang want to see do any of you

Andrew Wilsonactually I bet none of you actually have a single question for me I do that's relevant to any type of argument topic anything of you actually have one hold on no no no no no hold on let's

Brian Atlasstay focused here for a second you levied a very serious accusation towards both me and Andrew you called us both misogynist just want to make sure that's your

Audreyposition I'll use the word um oh wait actually kidding you're not a patriarch um if it's antagonistic antagonistic which is different than a

Audreymisogynist and and the thing is I'm not going to retract my statement because is I okay so then you view okay fine but the thing is you're writing that down on your notepad like now you're going to try to argue against me not even wri I'm not going to argue about why I think

Audreyyou're a misogynist you could tell me that you think I look terrible you could tell me you think I'm stupid why would say that and well I don't know if you take it misogynous as an insult then too

Brian Atlasbad I don't I typically if I receive an adom I don't return it with an adom but I will just ask since you use the word how do you define misogyny um well the thing is I think

Audreythat misogyny and patriarchy sometimes get blurred um well they're two distinct things so how do you define misogyny I would say men thinking that

Brian Atlasthey are superior to women okay so what have I said that would lead you to believe that I'm a misogynist using your definition every

Audreysingle argument that you've made on this podcast specifically the ones about the patriarchy what was the argument that I made you wh about being about how you were subject to the draft for an hour

Brian Atlashow could that possibly be misogynistic for me to point out a way in which men are disadvantaged how would that have anything to do with so because I argued about men being subject to military conscription would be me saying that men

Audreyare superior to women that's actually me arguing that men are disadvantaged compared to maybe I'm lumping you and Andrew together maybe Andrew wants to speak on this actually please don't well okay you can shift the goal poost here but you did direct it towards me so well

AudreyI'm sorry if I insulted you I don't really the thing is you're arguing with me and I'm trying to explain myself to you and I don't think that you really care about what I have to say I think you just want to be right so well I'm

Brian Atlastrying to understand because you you lob a a accusation towards me that I'm misogynist and it's not clear I'm asking how articulate

Audreyhow you brought a bunch of women into a room under the guys we were going to talk about dating and then proceeded to bring up barely and we you proceeded to bring up every hot political topic you possibly could and then argued against

Audreyus on our views and I'm not saying that's innately misogynous I just think that it was at at its least irritating and I you know what if you don't like the idea of toone police then that's

Audreyfine um I'm not going to sit here and try to explain my reality to you over and over again it's exhausting still not clear how that's misogynous well that's fine you can figure it out yourself then maybe you can do some internal

Laurenthinking I've i' I just did I did the internal thinking and I still haven't arrived yet how it's misogynistic well well you and Andrew both said that you believe that that men are superior to

Laurenwomen I never play that [ __ ] back never said that you said that you don't think that women are should be in the clergy isn't that a subord I didn't I'm not even I'm not even religious but but you

Brian Atlassaid that to me looking in my in my eye yes well no no no no hold on hold on so I'm not a Muslim but I can acknowledge that in the Muslim faith uh my understanding of the Muslim faith you

Brian Atlascan't can't eat pork that doesn't make me a muslim okay so my understanding of the Christian faith uh I can acknowledge that there's

Brian Atlascertain Bible verses there's uh ecclesiastical theological uh Doctrine right that doesn't mean that I necessarily agree with

Laurenit I for example I'm I'm not I don't want to get married with her I don't want to get married I I think that you have come out it at like from a hand

TTS/Donationsdonated $200 you're being grilled because your world view is garbage rad shirt Andrew's being exceptionally nice when you speak

TTS/Donationsall I hear is a noisy [ __ ] fish you spoke for 3 hours and said nothing useful okay that's not true I'm going to shift off her I'm going to ask you you said that I'm coming at it hatefully m

TTS/Donationsarticulate to me what I have said that is hateful um I mean I think it would more about tone which nobody likes quicknic donated

TTS/Donations$200 not the way you back to dating Bri ask them what their pen siiz preferences uncooked spaghetti tunic can let's get

Brian Atlasthe party started tuna can hold on I can come back to that a little bit but okay what precisely have I said that's hateful I think that the way that you

Laurenbring up arguments is in a hateful way give me an example the example would be like even with the Man versus bear thing how you bring it up again and again like in my opinion to me it looks like you're

Brian Atlasdoing it in order to make women look a certain way well how am I trying to make women look a certain way if I remain you disagree with them if I remain

Brian Atlastotally if I remain totally silent and I let all of you not only give your answer but give an explanation to your answer how is that me being hateful or me

Brian Atlastrying to make women look a certain way you guys all gave your answers mm and I would actually let me just let me turn this around at you I can make a stronger argument so your

Brian Atlasargument is by virtue of you bringing up this this uh man vers bear debate that's hateful I can make a stronger argument that your answers to the actual question

Brian Atlaswhen it comes to your bias and bigotry towards men is more misandrist and more hateful than your perception that by virtue of me bringing it up that is

Brian Atlashateful what's my bias towards men you would rather you would rather be alone with a bear no not remembering correctly I I did not say that oh you said men okay excuse me then the other women and

Laurenthe millions of other women who said no see even the way you say it right then that's it's hateful that's hateful how is it hateful hly rather emo how is it bringing men and women

Laurentogether emotional or passionate how is it bringing men and women together like in my my opinion like men and women are strongest together what's your point that is my point getting

Laurenall she's getting I'm just speaking passionately I'm not I'm saying maybe your memory is a little Brian I'm saying maybe your memory is a little bit off but it seems like the intention when you bring up stuff like that like especially

Brian Atlasto her you're bringing up stuff to be intentionally the pair thing no a lot of other things that you brought up towards her specifically was was hateful give me one give me one example of something hateful

Laurenthat I said go ahead do or even the way I said it yeah even the way I said it go ahead tell me I think the fact that we spent an hour and a half talking about the man versus be debate and you trying

Laurento pull out of us how we feel scared about men like over and over that is painful it's disrespectful to give you push I don't think I I think hold on

Brian Atlashold on think it's hateful it's it's disrespectful and hateful did you say EV no I said hateful oh sorry sorry excuse me it's looking for any godamn buzz you could possibly use no you guys are the ones who are using buzzwords so it's

Brian Atlasdisrespectful your word it's disrespectful and it's hateful to give you the most milk toast benign push back you think bro Andrew is the debate goat

Brian AtlasI'm like milk toast I suck at debating I'm not that good oh thank you babe I'm I'm I'm terrible at I'm not a great debat I'm very milk toast I like I give

Laurena little I'm a bit impassioned at times but you think I'm bad no F Andrew think I'm bad guy it's not that I think you're bad but I think in the way that you bring it up just to be clear I don't

Laurenthink Andrew is the bad guy I don't think you guys are bad guys I just think that it comes off very hateful it com what's your definition of hateful the my definition of hateful is when you come

Laurenoff in a way that's antagonistic towards the other gender it's like when are we ever going to talk about men and women getting along today like are we ever going to talk about that or about our terrible dating

Laurenexperiences like are we ever going to is that just is that just mood is that just like why is it men versus women the whole point of the conversation though don't you don't you understand I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow why how is that let me I'm going to I'm going to answer your question chill out okay the whole time we've actually been talking about ways in which men and women can get along better you it's

Andrew Wilsonsubtle but you don't see it because you don't understand it but that's really what we've been talking about the entire point of this to show you there's a huge contrast in views you're trying to find

Andrew WilsonCommon Ground through argumentation and logic hopefully hoping that we can find some common ground doesn't matter if I'm nothing but respectful still a mogy hang on doesn't matter if I'm respectful

Andrew Wilsonstill misog sgy what I say still EVT matter I use it's still bad ites matter embarrassing of an answer for all women why won't you

Brian Atlasanswer my question disagreement that matters I'll answer your question ask it wait let me just to intellectually engage and disagree with women is hateful LOL how embarrassing of an answer for all women

Lissafrom Big sass energy okay go ahead with your question your question my question yes I'd love for you to say something you want to go um I was just going to say if that was your guys's true intention like you claim then why didn't

Lissayou guys bring I don't know maybe like two or three men of like different views maybe like a conservative man a Republican man a liberal man and ask us all these same exact questions then it

Andrew Wilsonwould have felt exactly like that me and Brian disagree on most on on most things when it comes to found about 40 Old Men I'm talking about guys our age like

Andrew Wilsonwe're all I'm not 40 I'm sorry I'm sorry we bring on 40-Year-Old women and this is a mixed age panel there's women here who are closer to our age than your age

Andrew Wilsonyeah we have 32 30 and 27 I mean that's uh so I don't I don't even understand that criticism half the time there's 40 45 year olds who are sitting there

Lissasometimes they're 20 sometimes 28 a bit uneven where it's two four-year-old men and then majority women boy you're sure

Lissadisadvantaged yeah it's literally 90% woman and then two older men how is that not a bit of a dis what eight women against Two Men and it's not fair it's

Lissayour show it's literally your show you guys don't understand how I'm a guest like you he's a guest he's a guest Andrew is a guest oh I wasn't aware of that first of all yeah I'm a guest I I

Andrew Wilsonmean I've been I've been in the same flow that you have I've had less talking time than all of you have I don't know what you're talking about our age here too what was your agenda bringing us all here today was it really to talk about

Brian Atlasdating yeah we talk about dating all the time I will I will grant that we do frequently get into like other we get into the I don't know the right term here the weeds we talk about culture War stuff but it's all sort of uh I mean

Audreyit's it's kind of related to some degree well because you choose to pick at my experience like you don't listen to it you came here and you you brought at the at my expense what do you mean at your

Audreywell actually to your benefit would be a better way to say it you brought all of us here to supposedly talk about our experiences and then when we did you [ __ ] on us like when did I [ __ ] on you okay you know what maybe you don't want

Brian Atlasto use the word [ __ ] if you're going to be so this is how people will use language in a very dangerous way and they'll just they won't be charitable they won't be good faith at no point did

AudreyI [ __ ] on any of you okay you know what if I will retract my word and say so be more precise in your okay then I will Brian is that your name it's been a

Audreylong time and so I'm trying my best to be precise in my language it's taking a lot of my cognitive capacity at this hour um and the thing is that I came

Audreyhere under a different pretense and I think that maybe I'm speaking for the rest of the panel here that we feel a little bit irritated and a little bit disrespected considering that I think we came here

Audreythink we were going to speak about our experience and all we did was essentially get argued against and there's nothing wrong with someone arguing against me I don't like this narrative that they're saying they're

Andrew Wilsonjust mad that you that they got disagreed with um respectfully I the entire time we've been that we've been talking to you it's all been to draw out various experiences in the way that you view the world that's yeah but it's to

Audreydraw various experiences that that support your agenda it's not you're not asking me about my experience as a woman when I did you denied it you said it wasn't a female issue yeah if I

Andrew Wilsonask you a question if I'm like do you think that the sky is blue and you say no and I go well but I think it is blue I can see that it's blue that's how it's

Andrew Wilsonfelt yeah but I don't I don't understand how is that not me engaging with your experience you're engaging with my experience in a way that's not to listen

TTS/Donationsto what I have to say to listen to what I have to say can come up with a way to tell I disagree that this guy isn't blue right that's the point Jeremy donated

TTS/Donations$200 I have asked twice all of you ignored me until it was convenient for you I said I don't want my daughter to grow up like you and I asked how how do

Audreywe resolve how do we bridge the gap clearly you have zero exp thank you Jeremy uh how do we bridge the gap I think I thought this was supposed to be

Brian Atlasabout us why are you asking da grows up to be even worse than us you you hope that your daughter grows up to be worse yeah I hope his daughter grows up to be worse than us wow that's a pretty vile thing to say about

Brian Atlassomebody's daughter who's not a party to this conversation do you want to walk that back or you just going to see what you're doing right now it's it's the exact you've been doing this for so wait just to be clear you think what I said to her is more disrespectful than what

Haleyshe just said to him I'm I'm not saying that she just involved his daughter hoping he involved his daughter did you not read his comment he said he didn't want his daughter to grow up in a

Haleysociety like this yeah like with women like us us yeah so I said yeah his daughter is going to be worse than woman I wouldn't want my daughter to grow up around feminists either okay well good for you hun she doesn't have to go to

Lissaany type of California school and grow up to be liberal like us it's not just California it's all over yeah and you've managed to stay well far away from it why can't

Yaelwe I definitely fell into the feminist movement at one point so that's the thing me too I went very like left for a while until I corrected and went back to

Yaelbeing conservative so I know like all the arguments and like you know at one point I viewed abortion as like a women's right type of thing which I'm not saying that men should have the right I'm just saying that the baby is

Yaelalso a human that's really all can we talk about the daisy thing how did you go Daisy on here hold on okay we're not going to we're not going to go there I really have thoughts about that that's a fourth dimensional question yeah we're

Brian Atlasnot going to go there uh I'm trying to recall where we left off if I can get this back on track so we can hopefully wrap up we left off at you um a misogynist oh hateful last thing can you

Laurengive me anything hateful that I've said and then I'm going to move this on would you answer my question what's your question my question is how do you define the patriarchy and what do you think it's doing right now uh well see this is where I differ from Andrew I

Brian Atlasactually I don't think that there's actually a patriarchy I think this is essentially a feminist conspiracy theory that's it I don't think that there's a patriarchy because I don't

Brian Atlasview the the this Dynamic of it being men are in positions of power because they're men I think they're in positions of power

Brian Atlasprobably more so to do with class than anything so I thanks for answering yeah I don't I don't believe that there's a patriarchy okay at least I mean there's

Brian Atlasdifferent definitions of it right but this idea that men are advantaged men are have all this privilege male privilege women have no privilege women are so disadvantaged all these men are

Brian Atlasdoing fantastic as a man you step into a job and they just you're immediately the CEO no can I and I thought maybe that's a straw man maybe that's not fair but I think the point the fact that you're

Lissamissing within that cuz what you said is kind of valid but what you're missing within that is the fact that men are also disadvantaged by the patriarchy it's not clear if it's like how do you

Lissaof the patriarchy though yeah like men that created the patriarchy disadvantaged other men below them like it's a whole class thing too it's not just I don't think the I I I think that it's more of a hierarchy thing than well

Lissaokay for examp like right quick super quick example the patriarchy doesn't like men being really emotional and crying for example right neither do women neither do women but that that stemmed from women are repulsed actually by it and you can lie and say I want a

Brian Atlasman let's bring it back to dating I want a man to be vulnerable in front of in front of me this is actually just you might say that it's the politically correct thing to say it sounds good to

Lissasay it I want a man to be vulnerable but the reality is is you actually don't no what we don't like is when men V like they weaponize that vulnerability and they'll Cry Just when it's convenient like for example

Lissayou catch them cheating and then they're balling their eyes out for not what I'm talking about well that's the only time when it's relevant besides men cry when

Andrew Wilsonthey get caught cheating yeah that's uh but besides that like get mad men's emotional I feel like I feel like that's literally the opposite right isn't it

TTS/Donationsisn't it usually women who when they get caught cheating cry or women who youed crying and emotional manipulation M donated $200 holy shite these spoiled little

TTS/Donationsgirls finally have a man pushed back against their bad ideas for once in their life and they melt down we need a Frank Castle moment hello pton good to see you she's in the bathroom she's in

Andrew Wilsonthe bathroom so so to respond to this though isn't it usually women who are the ones who cry to get the things that they want I don't see a lot of men crying to get the things they want to be perfectly honest with you just don't see

Andrew Wilsonit much do you see it a lot do you Cy to get stuff in college sadly that's the new thing I've seen oh grid

TTS/DonationsOne Motorsports donated $200 the patriarchy is in the home not a class thing as patriarch it is my job to lead my family failures are mine and

Andrew Wilsonmine alone I am the patriarchy and you strumpets know nothing of my work so so get this right the patriarchy oppresses Men by telling them not to be in tune

Andrew Wilsonwith their emotions and you say unfortunately all these men who are in tune with their emotions at my college they suck no no no no did I get that right no you really twisted my words hold on let me bring it to dating really

Brian Atlasquick on this whole vulnerability thing let me ask you guys a question would you prefer a man to approach you in a really confident manner like let's say I don't if you've been at a party you I a lot of you guys don't seem satisfied with

Brian Atlasdating app so maybe you'd prefer a guy to approach you organically maybe after a class or at a party would you prefer a man to approach you confidently or well hold on let me change the framing here

Brian Atlaswould you prefer a man to approach you in a really confident way super confident or a guy who was like a little bit bashful and shy his eye contact was a bit shaky not being creepy but like

Yaeluncertain of himself which do you prefer I feel like that's kind of hard to say but I I don't know is this to me I feel like confidence can come off as Cockiness sometimes to me and I would

Yaellet's just assume it's not Cockiness let's just assume it's confidence um I kind of think it's cute when they're a little shy so that's just me okay sorry like where's your curiosity in this

Brian AtlasEveryone likes confident people well you think so she just said that she liked shy okay well then talk to her that's my answer what what is your answer you prefer a guy to be Ste to you confident

Brian Atlasright right yeah but again it's not on the basis of gender okay yeah well it's not often that women ever do the approaching so there's men don't really have the opportunity to

Brian Atlasgive an analysis of if they prefer confident women or shy women but uh which do you prefer confident you prefer a guy to be confident confident

Brian Atlasconfident confident confident shy oh okay what about you confident okay I would argue the vast majority of women would prefer men to step to them in a confident manner

Brian Atlasinstead of a sort of bashful can't even hold eye contact a little shaky a little nervous uh Brian this would be precise this would be a man being

Brian Atlasvulnerable to approach you being scared nervous Etc yet most women do not respond to men being in a vulnerable state of being

Brian Atlaseither scared to approach you being nervous most women a lot of women here prefer a guy to approach you confidently

Audreytherefore this whole we like vulnerable men it's kind of bogus it's kind of [ __ ] but your example was like the worst you could have POS how is that the worst that's from the first time that's the initial encounter totally Mison

Audreythere's a lot of confidence in vulnerability you're you're you're having this argument that vulnerability is innately weak and and sure there are women that could look at a man and say

Brian Atlashe's crying what what a less of a man he is but I'm not even making that argument I'm just saying from first approach the very first opportunity you get to meet a man he's immediately being vulnerable by

Brian Atlasnot being particularly confident his eye contact is shaky he's nervous his maybe his speech isn't on point wouldn't that be a man would you agree that that's a

Lissaman in a vulnerable state but why would you have to say yes to a man just because he's in a vulnerable state you're you're not you're not obliged to but but you're putting it you're putting it in the

Audreywrong context women aren't asking again that's vulnerable but it's also vulnerable for someone to go up to someone confidently and ask for their number or speak to them or whatever it is you're you're acting like they exist

Lissain different continuums they're the same thing for women you can be Aon headed person and still be vulnerable like the the two aren't different is our point and IAL here I think you see

Haleyvulnerability as like a weakness in someone I think I think women don't want men to be more emotional I think they want them to to like open up more if that makes sense so like say what

Brian Atlasthey've gone through or what they're going through that seems emotional hold on I do got to move things on a little bit I'm very sorry we have ACL yes that was the point it's males I think this is in response to the uh who's the primary victim of War there's a reason our

Brian Atlasgovernment mandated men to have to enlist at 18 it's not to belittle women but to protect women from war from ACL 2008 hey thank you man appreciate your

Brian Atlasmessage we do excuse me we have ban real son of btek okay to excuse me to Snow White in the blue would you date a man that is a single father

Brian Atlasyeah okay there you go there you have it btek thank you man appreciate it and then we do have Ben George coming in here in just a sec thank you man thank you Ben appreciate

Brian Atlasit one sec guys there's just a uh time there we go women hold all the power you grow all humans you need men whom you give no power to after the fact because patriarchy so why are you all so insecure and afraid of

Brian Atlasme what I'm a little confused too we can agree on that uh why are you also there you go common ground right Audrey there you go Common Ground we have common ground

Audreyum never mind okay uh do you guys want to answer it why are you why you afraid of men I um no I don't want to answer that because I don't need to explain the Nuance to you and spoon feed it to you

Brian Atlasthe Nuance exists and and you can believe it or not sorry if that sounded rude it's just true okay good times good times uh let

Brian Atlasme see here well TimeWise let me just go over some of my notes uh let's see just want to make sure

Brian AtlasI uh time is limited and we do have to do the brief chaos uh roast section so we're going to do that for 10 minutes and then we're going to wrap up the show so let me get that changed um let me see

Brian Atlashere Brian could I say one thing yeah go for it hi GMD good to see you all right uh let me just check a couple things here guys hold on we're

Brian Atlasgoing to switch it here in just a sec we're going to do the uh chaos mode for 10 minutes and then we're going to wrap up the show for those of you who do want to get chats in who can't do it at the

Brian Atlasuh uh higher rate so let me just double check check make sure that's all enabled uh any thoughts from you guys

Enaover here while I'm doing that just any thoughts yeah go for it um it's cool being on the show dating thoughts oh um Anor you guys

Enacomplain we haven't talked about dating I'm saying talk about dating give me give me something oh weren't we going to answer pen size preference okay [ __ ] it starting over here go ahead um I'm cool

Yaelwith average it's dating dating related yeah go ahead um eight oh wow I don't really want to answer this

Audreyit's kind of weird all right yeah I don't really care to answer me either I don't care it's a really superficial dating

Brian Atlasquestion I'm just going to pass on answer yeah I saw Nick yeah all right it should be changed guys get if you want we're going to do

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