RAGE QUITS?! Andrew Wilson vs. Liberal Feminists! 2+24? TOO Picky?! | Dating Talk #161

Date: 2024-05-15

Duration: 7h 18m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_04Paige(guest)

SPEAKER_05Yael(guest)

SPEAKER_06Lissa(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Lauren(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ena(guest)

SPEAKER_13Haley(guest)

SPEAKER_14Audrey(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAudrey chooses bear: "I would say a bear because I know that at least like the worst thing he could do is kill me, a man could do a variety of things"

QuoteAndrew calculates that if 30-40% of men would attack women, that equals 33-55 million American men who would assault women in the woods

QuoteAndrew's bear logic test: "walk over to random men you don't know, reach over and pat them on the head and walk away; do the same with wild bears — which one attacks you quicker"

ControversySophia says she would rather be killed in a home invasion than have her husband use a gun to defend them because she is terrified of firearms

QuoteLissa rates herself a 10 out of 10; says she is "showstopping"

QuoteAndrew Wilson rates himself a 4 out of 10 on looks

ControversyLauren directly challenges Andrew Wilson on his treatment of born-again women: "it sort of seems like you are extra harsh on them... it doesn't seem like it's coming from love"

ControversyYael accuses Andrew of hypocrisy: "do you know what's also wrong — smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol... your body is a temple"

ControversyAudrey expresses collective frustration near end of show: "we feel a little bit irritated and a little bit disrespected... we came here thinking we were going to speak about our experience and all we did was essentially get argued against"

QuoteFinal body count round: Audrey states body count of 2; most others decline to answer

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Brian introduces the panel; each guest states name, age, location, occupation, and relationship status. Includes extended discussion of Yael's complicated situationship with ex-boyfriend at Cal Poly.

Friends with exes

Panel discusses whether remaining friends with an ex is a good look in a new relationship.

Man vs bear viral debate

Extended multi-round discussion of the viral "man or bear in the woods" question. Panel divided; most chose bear. Andrew Wilson and Brian present statistical and logical rebuttals. Covers per capita attack rates, anthropomorphizing animals, bear vs man safety.

Bumble swiping segment

Each guest given 20 Bumble profiles to swipe yes/no on. Most guests were very selective (few or no yes swipes). Discussion of why they said no to most profiles.

Gun ownership and home invasion

Panel asked about comfort with partners owning firearms and home invasion scenario. Several guests expressed fear of guns; Sophia said she would rather be killed than have husband use a gun. Haley stated a man must own a firearm to date her.

Self-ratings (looks 1-10)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Ratings ranged from 4 (Andrew) to 10 (Lissa). Extended debate about what a 10 means and whether self-rating reflects comparative standards.

Attractiveness over time and fertility

Brian asks if guests will be more attractive in 10 years. Andrew follows up asking about fertility decline. Debate about whether women peak in 20s and delusional self-assessments.

Taking a bullet / gender roles in protection

Panel asked if men should take a bullet for their girlfriend. Extended discussion of car-or-Grim-Reaper sacrifice scenarios. Debate about whether expecting men to defend honor while rejecting bullet-taking is inconsistent.

Andrew Wilson vs born-again women / women in clergy

Lauren challenges Andrew on his treatment of born-again women on the show. Andrew explains he objects to false theology not personal reform. Extended theological debate about whether women can be Christian clergy; Andrew cites 1 Timothy.

Feminism, oppression, and men vs women

Broad debate on feminism, whether patriarchy exists, gender oppression comparisons, male vs female emotional decision-making, and whether women should vote.

Military conscription and draft equity

Brian and Andrew argue that male-only selective service is a counter-example to feminist equity arguments. Audrey struggles to propose an equitable solution. Discussion of whether women being exempt from draft is a privilege.

Racism toward white people / white privilege

Panel asked if you can be racist toward white people. Lissa says no (prejudice+power definition). Andrew challenges with bigotry framing. Brief white privilege discussion.

Closing chaos roast section

TTS donation roast messages read aloud. Body count round at end. Audrey states body count of 2. Others decline. Brian wraps up and does Twitch raid.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsoncuz Okay and then the other one's roughly 55 million you think roughly 55 million men want to murder you in a forest no that is I I would like to say that like the misconception and like the

Audreyhigh estimates are coming from the idea that as women we are kind of conditioned to fear the idea of getting attacked by a man and and be afraid of that and so

Audreyour estimate would be high because we already think the probability of getting it act would be high given that women are not necessarily safe when they walk alone I think that's that's where the misconception is yeah doesn't that seem

Andrew Wilsonto you to be illegitimate though if you if your estimates are so high that you believe that as many as 55 million men in your native Nation would just murder you in a forest if they happen to be

Andrew Wilsonalone with you I mean you think that that kind of conditioning might be a little bit absurd I'll I'll retract my estimate um if it bothers you but I would say

Audreythat I I can stand by the fact that like maybe there's an overated bothers me wouldn't you retract yeah wouldn't you retract it though because you don't actually

Audreybelieve that 55 million men in your native Nation would murder you horribly if they were in a forest with you you're you're right that's I think that it was inaccurate but I'm saying that even

Audreythough it was inaccurate I'm speaking to the inaccuracy and saying the reason why was because lots of women fear being attacked by men yeah but that doesn't sound like it's very Justified that they

Andrew Wilsonfear that I are you if when we start if when we start talking about the actual do I need to be a woman to note if it's justified by the Numbers whether you should fear that or not I don't understand should I be able to use my

Andrew Wilsonlogical brain even if I don't have a vagina to take note as to whether or not this is possible or not possible do do I need to be a woman to note that 55 million and men obviously and clearly

Audreydon't want to kill you in a forest did I need to be a woman to know that I think you're a little stuck on the number I think like really what we're talking about is is the female experience which you can't speak to yeah but I can speak to the male experience and don't you

Andrew Wilsonthink the male experience can speak to the male experience of how many men I think would actually want to hurt you well I'm really happy that you wouldn't hurt me in the [ __ ] laot for what it's it's not our it's not our job to kiss your ass because you're a woman I'm

Andrew WilsonI'm having an adult conversation with you so I didn't ask you to kiss my ass um I don't know know why I need to look at everything from feminist standpoint Theory or from your perspective when you so easily dismiss mine I'm telling you

Andrew Wilsonthat your number is absurd it makes no sense and as you retract it you very quickly retracted it because you realized how absurd it was why would you say that I have to be a woman in order to speak to this that's that seems

Audreyinsane I I didn't say that I said that I was talking about my estimate and you're right my estimate was overinflated but I explained to you why it was overinflated yeah I know but the

Andrew Wilsonreasoning so I still have to take everything through a logical prism so even if you tell me the reason that it was overinflated is because of X that still has to make sense saying that it was this way because I just felt like it

Lissashould be that way that doesn't actually make any logical sense there you're not basing that on anything other than how you feel right right no she based it on the fact that we're conditioned we like we're actually taught to think this way

Lissanot just by our mothers but by our fathers especially like in the Hispanic household like our fathers will be the one that tells you don't trust the man in the wood uh yeah but that's really kind of

Andrew Wilsonstrange because even right here on this panel the estimates are wildly different as to how many women think that they would or would not be assaulted or murdered by men so when you say we are

Andrew Wilsontaught like as a collective that clearly can't be true as there's many women on this very panel who gave wildly different answers right yes but not every man is a good father who teaches his daughters to be where are of a

Andrew Wilsoncertain type of man you know not everyone is brought up in the same way that sounds like an indictment of being raised by mothers only mother's only what do you mean I was like there would be nothing wrong

Andrew Wilsonwith that but yeah there wouldn't but I'm confused on your point well because because if you're saying that it would require some kind of strong um man in the home to condition a daughter to know what type of man to look for wouldn't

Lissathat be an indictment of being in only a single mother home that that probably wouldn't be good for a kid no because I started off that statement saying that it's not just mothers that do that that it's also fathers so therefore like it's

Andrew Wilsonboth parents who have the ability to teach their children about these things well was it your father or your mother who told you that uh such a wildly disproportionate amount of men were going to assault you in a forest if you came across one if I'm going to be

Andrew Wilsonhonest it was both but it was mainly my father who wouldn't even let me go to a sleepover because of things like this yeah but I mean there's a distinction between not wanting to let your teenage

Andrew Wilsondaughter go to sleepovers under certain types of conditions uh rather than an indictment of men and that men are going to just do horrible things to you that that seems kind of silly right well no

Lissabecause he actually like like taught me like why it wasn't like you know what I mean like he didn't just say you can't go to a sleepover because I don't want you to he told me the reasoning behind it and like gave me the full talk you know yeah so that's not really an

Laurenindictment of men that might have just been an indictment of the situation right I love we said I think what she's saying is that the numbers are so different because everyone has a different background experience of what

Laurenthey heard from growing up exact nobody actually knows what percentage we're just all guessing so some have a higher percentage because that's what they the information they receive growing up some have a lower percentage because that's

Andrew Wilsonthe information they receive but no one really knows exactly yeah but that's why we're we're kind of having a back and forth on it right we can assume that nobody knows the answer for sure but we can still reason things out to make a

Andrew Wilsondetermination so like let me ask this question a slightly different way let's assume all of you were trapped in a forest you were in a horrible plane wreck and you were actually trapped in a forest and there was a bear there now

Andrew Wilsonthe bear hadn't been overtly aggressive but you have been avoiding it like the play cuz you didn't want to find out um you're trapped in the forest the bear is there you happen to come across a man on

Andrew Wilsonthe trail who has not noticed you yet would you ask him for help 100% go ahead going around the table would you ask him for

Audreyhelp oh um yeah if I'm lost in a forest yeah yeah would you would you ask for help um before I answer this I think that like I can see where you're logic is going where it's like oh why would

Audreyyou trust a random man if you were endangered um just answer the question please well okay yes but I think I know where you're going with this that's just what I'm was going to say okay and then next one would you would you would you ask for help

Andrew Wilsonum probably not probably not You'd Stay trapped in the middle of a forest with a bear okay next one would you would you ask for help yeah I would if it was a man or woman or they or anything yeah

Andrew Wilsonyeah but it's a man specifically oh and he has a rifle yeah right okay and then next would you would you ask him for help I'd eye him out first yeah I know but you you Vite him

Andrew Wilsonout he just he looks like a normal man just like you know Ted Bundy did and Jeffrey dmer did he looks like a normal person I mean yeah yeah okay and then

Andrew Wilsonnext would you yes but I think if you put the situation like hang on no qualifiers yet hang on I just want to get everybody's answer the next yes I

Andrew Wilsonwould you would and then next yes 100% okay so so now we can give all the qualifiers now that the whole table's gone around so can you guys explain to me the logic of when you're asked the question would you rather be trapped in

Andrew Wilsonthe middle of a forest with a bear or man you say the bear but then when asked if you were trapped in a forest with a bear and a man came along to give you help out of the forest that you would ask the man for help can you explain

Yaelthat to me I really would like to understand the logic um oh um I don't think I even answered actually the first time around

Andrew WilsonI just said I've seen a bear so I don't no you said you would prefer the bear because you've seen them and that you know you know how to deal with them because you're an experienced hiker and

YaelI don't know if I'd say that um I don't know I think I think being trapped with another person is obviously probably preferable just cuz you can have help

Yaellike building shelter whatever finding water you know whatever you can and then but then with a bear you're if you're trapped in the woods you're pretty much

Andrew Wilsonalways with the bear that's their home that's where they live so and then uh next next gal can you tell me why uh why you would do that in in contrast to your own logic I'm just curious um I

Audreythink that it would just be out of desperation like in that sense like it wouldn't be who's more dangerous or whatever the argument is supposed to be it would just be a matter of like you

Andrew Wilsonknow oh my God there's a bear over there and we're two humans and that's a bear I don't think it's a it's not on the basis of gender well I didn't say it was on the basis of gender but it can you

Andrew Wilsonunderstand that it's really really strange to me to hear if you're asked would you rather be trapped in the forest with a man or a bear and then when you say a bear I say and if you were trapped with a bear and it hadn't

Andrew Wilsoneven shown signs of aggression but you hadn't approached it because it could and a man came by would you ask for help you say yes you see why that sounds absurd to me

Andrew Wilsonno no because in in contrast to this you're basically trusting a man the same exact way to help you get out of this situation but if you were put in the situation with a man you would not help

Audreyexpect a man to help you get out of the situ it makes no sense in in that sense first of all this isn't really a logic game so I don't want to necessarily approach it 100% with logic I think that there's some legitimacy to approach the situation with emotion because I think everyone

Audreywould be kind of scared I think in this situation you would be trusting a man to protect you against a bear as opposed to trusting yourself to make the decision against whether or not you're going to choose the man or the bear yeah so then why wouldn't you prefer to be trapped

Audreywith the man instead of the bear if your assumption is that the man's going to protect you from the bear well I guess you could say that I could sure I could approach the man when I saw the bear and I had to trust that he's not going to

Andrew Wilsonattack me too but like I guess then it's just kind of a lesser of two evils how but then why wouldn't you prefer to be trapped with a man over a bear if you're hoping that the man would extract you

Audreyfrom being trapped with a bear I I don't know which situation you're presenting here is it you alone and there's one or the other or both at the same time yeah if it's you alone or there's one or the other you can be trapped with a bear you can be trapped

Andrew Wilsonwith a man you prefer to be trapped with a bear however in the situation where you are trapped with a bear you would still if a man was coming by request his Aid in making sure that you could get out of being trapped with a bear that

Andrew Wilsonthat's nonsensical it makes no sense it's completely irrational humans don't always behave rationally yeah but when they don't

Audreybehave rationally shouldn't they behave rationally not necessarily you do you think that human beings should behave irrationally we're not robots like it's

Audreynot like put a square Deion like are do you always behave rationally yes 100% all the time yes you've never gotten emotional and like

Andrew Wilsonmade a rash comment or anything like that just because I'm emotional doesn't mean I become irrational but to my knowledge I've never become irrational it it's possible perhaps that I have had too much to drink at certain points in my life or something like this where

Andrew WilsonI've lost my faculties um but yes when I'm in my normal state of mind I don't believe that I become irrational

Andrew Wilsonno okay what I mean I don't I don't know I don't think that rationality is something that generally people strive towards I just think you're kind of oversimplifying The

AudreyHuman Experience by saying that like you know you're a perfectly rational being and all these things would just innately make sense to you like there's plenty of evidence that people make quote unquote illogical Decisions by your definition

Audreyall the time yeah but that doesn't mean that they should well I don't think that humans should or shouldn't behave no one no one wakes up in the morning and says I'm going to behave a

Audreylogically yeah I know so they shouldn't do that then I like that you wake up every morning and decide that you're going to behave logically that doesn't mean that you will yeah but I should well right okay

Andrew Wilsoneveryone should sure right that's my whole point so if everybody should then just saying that hey hey not everybody does isn't really much of an argument because we still agree that they should

Andrew Wilsonbehave rationally so when you when we have these scenarios and and you kind of give me an irrational logical basis for why it is that you choose A over B shouldn't that question your foundations

Andrew Wilsonshouldn't you question your own foundations then in your own emotions to think well wait a second perhaps I'm behaving irrationally and I shouldn't do that by your own admission you should not behave irrationally

Audreyum like I I see your point sure but I don't know I don't I don't think that I like have necessarily like the strongest motivation to like perfectly

Andrew Wilsonbehave rationally at all times I always think that there's like a a better like an answer that's better explained by the context in that situation well I mean sure there could

Andrew Wilsonbe answers which are better explained in the context of the situation but they would be rational answers right you really like this word rational do you have any

Andrew Wilsonothers uh do you prefer logical I just word emotional do you know any others um sure I I just yeah sure I just I just think that you just seem really

Audreystuck on the idea of logic and and like I just don't think that this is really an argument about logic unless you're trying to prove a point about you know women how it's illogical yeah about women supposedly thinking it's illogical to fear being alone in the woods with a

Andrew Wilsonman well it seemed to be by your own logic that it it's an irrational fear if you would still allow a man to extract you out of a situation with a bear why you wouldn't just want to be trapped with a

Andrew Wilsonman to begin with that that seems totally irrational it's essentially the same scenario you just remove one item and suddenly the entire situation changes and there's really no reason for it to change it doesn't really make any

Andrew Wilsonsense they're both still strangers in this scenario they're both still uh men in this scenario you're still actually technically trapped with both of them in this scenario but you would still so different though because like

Lissaif there's a bear and a man it's like a whole different situation cuz like what man in the right mind is going to still think about like s you while there's a bear right there like that's like just take out the two hum one bear at that

Lissapoint I'm saying is that there's two it's just two humans like that's why we're choosing that option because it's just like those two humans against the bear is like way better

Andrew Wilsonlogically yeah I know but if that's the case then why would you choose the bear to begin with that makes no sense logically well but if you're alone with

Sophiaonly the man that is scarier than you are with both you have more chances just face I guess the bear would be if you want to like say it it's a greater evil because you can't really communicate and

Sophiasay like please don't attack me but still it's much like as a woman safer to just like knobby alone with a stranger and that stranger being also a male like

Andrew Wilsona full man like but yet if you were by your own admission to ask a stranger who is a man for help and assistance because you were trapped with a bear you're essentially putting the same trust in

Sophiahim as if you were trapped with him because he would also probably be scared of the bear so he would probably put his life first instead of say it's contradicting to your answer because

Andrew Wilsonwell he doesn't even know the bear is there right he doesn't even no cuz you're you're asking him for help but like doesn't even know about the bear the bear is irrelevant to him but you would ask him for help to extract you from the situation that's

Audreyputting your hands or your life in the hands of a strange man using your own words it would be more rational for the man to be air afraid of beir compared to

TTS/Donationsme just Gerald donated $200 I just like you know like we should just like I don't know like like a human

TTS/Donationslike isn't like I just like don't want to be wrong like it's literally my English yeah no I I liter my English there's a good possibility that

Andrew Wilsona man would be less afraid of a bear than you would be but the point of the question is to ask you who you would prefer to be trapped with a strange man or a bear the answer is a bear but you

Andrew Wilsonwould still put your trust in a strange man who he did not know to extract you from the situation of being with a bear that's where it becomes a rational to me where I don't where I lose the plot I don't understand anymore because it

Sophiaseems like you're just doing the same exact thing do you guys get what he's saying or no I just want to like like backtrack into like so the second scenario we are there we are in a bad situation there is

Sophiaa bear that we are aware of and this strange man doesn't know and we can ask him for help yeah is and the bear is like not doing anything it's just there

Andrew Wilsonyeah it has not overtly shown signs of aggression to you being trapped with it yet okay you haven't but you haven't approached it you haven't done any of that you've been hiding from the bear which I assume you would probably hide

Andrew Wilsonfrom a bear I don't assume that you would approach it because none of you seem like you're stupid right you wouldn't approach a wild bear would you no I'm not like LLY no no you're not approaching a wild bear so you have not

Andrew Wilsonapproached this wild bear uh you've been hiding from it you see a man he's in the forest he's got a rifle slung he's walking through the forest he's by himself you're in the middle of nowhere

Andrew Wilsonyou're you're you're otherwise trapped would you ask him for help I'll keep hiding from both so you would stay trapped with the bear rather than ask him for help I

Andrew Wilsonthink the yeah so in order to be logically consistent you would stay trapped with a bear in the middle of a forest rather than ask a man who you did not know for help to get you out of the

Sophiasituation of being trapped with a bear in the forest and that does that sound like that's rational either well it's not a rational situation it's not a rational scenario it AAL hypothesis but

Andrew Wilsonsure in fact I can give you one such situation where something similar to this happened absent a bear uh you can look this up I just did the other night when this came up because it had

Andrew Wilsontriggered a memory about this there was a woman um she her plane went down over the Amazon and it was in the Amazon rainforest and it crashed and it broke

Andrew Wilsonher arm badly and she was wounded badly and she was trapped in the Amazon following the water for 5 days totally wounded she thought she was going to die

Andrew Wilsonand guess who she asked for help you'll never guess oh was it a man she came across she came across a Hut with two

Andrew Wilsonmen and she went into the Hut and laid down and begged them for help beg them please and of course they didn't trap

Andrew Wilsonher in saay her these amazonians they went and got her help after they patched her up of course and got her out of there and then um she made a full recovery it's it's quite an amazing

Andrew Wilsonstory it's very very rare that such a thing happens but it does happen such things do actually happen so it's not really an irrational scenario um it's a it's a good thought

Audreyexercise that maps onto reality so I just want to ask you one more time you would hide from the man and stay trapped with the bear I just want to make sure that that's your answer so I have actually something that maybe you would

Sophialike some evidence hangang just answer real quick give switch it Nick yeah I think that was a beautiful story and that's very nice very glad that that happened to her but I would probably hide I'd just be scared in general yeah

Yaelyou would stay trapped with a bear in the middle of the forest rather than ask for help from him okay yeah all right can I give skills can I give like a little more realistic of a situation so say you're like at a bar or at a club

Yaelhow much more likely is it when everyone's intoxicated that you get sa as a woman I think a lot more likely and it's a more real situation I think that's kind of what um women are trying to speak up against these days what in

Yaelthe world does that have to do with this scenario well I'm just saying if we're being more realistic about scenarios that happen today for college girls or girls in their 20s or early 30s when they go to bars and clubs yes you could

Andrew Wilsonavoid the situation and not put yourself in that space but it does happen a lot yeah but what in the world would that have to do with this scenario I still don't understand I get I understand that

Andrew Wilsonyou're saying in a situation where as to why a young woman who who's at a club or something like this you should be very cautious about having drinks this is why women feel intimidated by men you know

Andrew Wilsonbecause they've had experiences like that and I picked man and I would I me I get it I understand that but I'm not sure how that maps on to being trapped with a bear in the Wilder I'm not sure how that maps on at all

YaelI'm not referring to that situation I'm saying let's put ourselves in a more realistic situation because most of us don't go out change the entirety of the hypothetical right but I'm just saying that this is where it's coming from a

Andrew Wilsonlot of women have had those experiences because some so let me get this right so because some women have their drink spiked in bars and get sa that means they shouldn't ask for help if they were ever in the wilderness tra with a bear

Andrew Wilsondoes that make sense that's not what I'm saying at all I'm saying the reason should stick with the premise of the hypothetical because otherwise we're going to end up with all kinds of absurd conclusions right it's not an absurd conclusion it's

Yaelwhat happens these days if you're wondering why these women would pick bear over man it's probably because they've had an experience where a man

Andrew Wilsonhas assaulted them in one way or another let us assume for a moment that um you had been assaulted by multiple men okay uh which I'm sure has happened

Andrew Wilsonto all sorts of different women um why in the world would that make it more or less rational to trust a a man you do not know if you're in a situation where

Andrew Wilsonyou were trapped with a bear can you can you make that make sense for me um here go ahead go ahead wait well the I believe the question is directed

Andrew Wilsonto you okay say that one more time why it would yeah even even assuming that a woman had been many times sa a uh under the circumstances that you're talking about which is horrific um can you

Andrew Wilsonexplain to me why that would make it more rational for her to not request that a man Aid her a strange man Aid her that she did not know if she was trapped

Yaelwith a bear in the forest why would that be suddenly a more rational decision I don't understand that I don't think I ever said it' be a more rational decision um I just think that some women have a hard time trusting men because if

Andrew Wilsonexperiences that they've had in their life that's really so then it's irrational so then it would be irrational still even if that had happened so even if I grant the entire premise of why you feel that way it

Andrew Wilsonstill would not be rational to not request aid from from a strange man if you were trapped in the wilderness with a bear yeah I've never disagreed on that yeah so it would still be IR rational so

Andrew WilsonI don't I still don't even understand the premise then it's it's l what she's saying is irrational makes no sense I got a couple questions on this and then we'll move on to a new topic

Brian AtlasNick feel free to show that one and then I'll read a couple chats here uh so does it does it change anything if you were instead of the venue or the location being a forest

Brian Atlaswould your answer change if it was just a room a 10x10 room that we're stuck in the room would you rather be in a room 10x10 room with a bear or or a

Brian Atlasrandom man randomly selected man so it could be a man who would be inclined to murder you or it could be a perfectly it could be uh I'm sure you guys have all met good decent men could be a good decent man

Brian Atlastoo more likely to be anyways I shouldn't well I shouldn't preempt that but uh which do you pick if you're in a room the man I don't want to be in a

Audreyroom with a bear um I don't know like I think that one I think it does change it because like the woods is totally different than

Audreylike an enclosed space mhm um so yeah I don't know if I could really pick one um I think that I just wanted to speak on one last thing I think that

Audreywhen we talk about like oh it's it would be so irrational for someone to not want to be in the woods with a man as opposed to a bear there's the idea of the

Audreyavailability heuristic where the things that are the most Salient in your mind will end up like determining the logic that someone has in that situation so we

Audreyhear a lot more about like men potentially assaulting women and sure we hear about bear attacks too and so people would be likely to be afraid of that like the classic example is like an airplane crash like people are afraid of flying

Audreyon airplanes even though statistically it's not likely to happen so statistically I may have miscalculated and said that 20% of men were likely to attack me that's not logical at all um

Andrew Wilsonbut Ro you root it in the logic of the availability hereis well there is no such thing as a logic of availability logic is not like Kung Fu your kung fu is not better than my Kung Fu there is

Andrew Wilsononly one Kung Fu in this situation there's only one logic there is not different forms of it there's just one form of it so the same thing with uh rationality rationality would be if

Andrew Wilsonyou're saying something which maps on to logic or not and so if you're saying something which is irrational it's not logical makes no sense it doesn't map on to it so it's not it's not like Kung Fu

Andrew Wilsonwhere you can say my Kung Fu my logic better than your logic there is only one logic okay if that if that's the way that you want to interpret logic then no no no that's the only way to it's like

Andrew Wilsonmath okay here let me demonstrate it for you let me demonstrate it for you so that you know that I'm telling the truth hang on can 2 + 2 ever not equal 4

Audreylike if I were to like think about the logic of math maybe there's someone who could come no no can 2 plus 2 ever not equal four by the rules of math probably not I don't know do you guys and and the rules

Andrew Wilsonof math would be an extension of logic right um well life isn't exactly like math unless there was missing information but I just I just want to make sure that we're clear can be there

Andrew Wilsoncan if there can be no your math my math right there cannot be a unless there was missing have a math where 2+ 2 does not equal 4 and I have a math where 2 + 2 does equal 4 2+ 2 has to equal 4 right

Brian Atlasunless there's missing information because two plus two if there's missing information in the middle what do you mean no literally there is no what

Brian Atlasmissing information if there's missing inform the question is 2 + 2 = 4 so what would be an example of missing information that would be like 2 plus 2+

Brian Atlas3 no that would be if 2 + parentheses 2 * 2 parentheses + 2 = 4 that would be it

Laurenwould be illogical if you were talk into the mic please can you yes so 2+ 2 could not equal four only if there was missing information missing information if the

Laurentwo an example okay if the two was referring to another group so if you're saying um so a plus b equals 4 no okay

Laurenso what's sorry go ahead okay I'm sorry I've never heard this before so um please just try to explain I mean I agree two plus two always equals four if you don't have any missing

Andrew Wilsoninformation but if you have missing information so assuming that you have all the information I understand what you're saying you're saying that two could be a representative of some other category that is not two right but if

Andrew Wilsontwo is a representative of some other category which is not two then it is no longer two correct then yeah then it's no longer two yeah then it's no longer

Laurenthe the same question so it it assuming that c talking to her talking to her Point what she's saying is that there's missing information when you guys talk

Laurenabout this question about man versus bear you there's missing information like you guys are putting it up to like make fun of women for feeling like bad

Laurenabout um feeling scared of a man that's what I hear when I hear the question you know well I'd like to finish if it's possible so I think that you know women were taught from a

Laurenyoung age like in Middle School I was shown a video about all the things that men could do to you like they could go under your cars and slash your key Ste hang on hang on hang on before we get into this though and I'll let you make

Andrew Wilsonyour point because I want you to be able to can we get back to this idea that 2 + 2 there's some scenario where 2 + 2 is not going to equal 4 mhm

Laurenyeah so would not equal hang on hang on that there's there's no scenario where if you understand that two represents two ones

Andrew Wilsonand another two represents two ones that it is impossible to add four ones together and not get four correct I agree without any missing information I agree but okay so can't be it can't be

Andrew Wilsonhang on so then hang on I just want to make sure we're clear so then it can't be her math versus my math that's why I was making the or trying to get her to understand there's only one way to do logic because there's laws which govern logic just like there's laws which

Brian Atlasgovern mathematics that's that's my point yes so in a one one add-on question here in a scenario where there's you're presented with 2+ 2 mhm

Laurenwhat would be the scenario where there could ever be quote unquote missing information from an an equation mhm so

Laurenthat would be if two was referring to an like an amount so if you're like you know in in school we're learn that it's

Andrew Wilsonones like how Andrew said one plus 1 plus 1+ one but two could be refering no Bri she's making a category so what

Andrew Wilsonshe's saying is she's saying you could have two as a representative of something which is not two ones yes we're taught in school that two is represented by two on can you pull up a

Brian Atlastab can you pull up a tab uh a note just a blank notepad and then just write 2 + 2

Laurenc yeah well a calculator is going to always be in the ones and T just like we're taught in school are you talking about like X and Y A and B no I'm

Andrew Wilsontalking about ones and tens I think Andrew knows what I'm talking about do you is she making sense Andrew because I'm not following well I'm trying to be as charitable to this as I possibly can so I just want to

Andrew Wilsonmake sure I got it clear I think that what you're saying you can correct me if I'm wrong that you can utilize the representation of the number two to

Andrew Wilsonrefer to information that has nothing to do with two ones correct yes okay got it that that you can do but then it the

Andrew Wilsonvalue to no longer represents what we're saying when we say to right yes okay so that yeah I mean you can do that but it's just kind of meaningless ultimately to the question of plus also feel like

Laurenwe're doing the thing with a man versus bear where it's becoming to that point too where we're like you know you're trying to like put someone down for feeling like they're um scared of a

Enaman I think where they're going with it it's not really anything like that I think they're just saying like if you for some reason were stuck somewhere you

Enawould you be rather be with someone that could help you possibly or with a bear that there it's just they're in nature they don't have any Instinct of helping you or getting you out of there I agree that that's a question but I'm talking

Laurenabout the intention of the question when you talk about it in a group like this like you're trying to look at women and say like oh isn't that funny that you're afraid to be alone with a man no I

Laurenthat's what I hear that's what I hear that's what I hear to her you're saying like oh haha like no it is I don't because I agree with your view so so hang on let me be charitable to your view I also think that the intent of the

Andrew Wilsonquestion is to get to something deeper and that's what you're saying here right the intent of the question is to get at something deeper but that's what I'm doing with the logical cross-examination is trying to see if

Andrew Wilsonwhen we go deeper if this makes less sense or more sense you say that that's to laugh at you but I think that it's it's not to laugh at you but it's to make a determination as to what is

Andrew Wilsonrational and true versus what what's based purely On Emotion and so that's not shaming you OPP of shaming you isn't it the opposite of

Andrew Wilsonshaming you to say listen I'd like to rationally go through this to see if this actually makes sense and I'm going to treat you as a peer while we do that that seems like the opposite of shaming

Haleyyeah well you did that to her and now I think it's time to move on move well hold on I mean he did that to her I don't think he was trying to like shame her or anything I think he was just like personally I don't I don't feel shamed I

Audreyjust don't think that you were really trying to understand my point it came off like you were trying to look at this as a logic game when we all know that it's not it is it is kind of well I

Audreythink that it the point is that like I don't see the whole this whole scenario as necessar in the same way that you do and that's fine I I just think that

Audreyobviously we were trying to get it something deeper and people were trying to explain that from their own experience from emotion or whatever it is that you think think is um superficial in this sense or I don't know exactly how you're viewing it I

Audreyjust think that in in this situation that's where people were coming from and the idea of trying to boil it down to just a logic game is aside from the point how else can we determine how can we make

Andrew Wilsondeterminations about whether or not something's a rational fear or an irrational fear or something makes sense or it doesn't make sense unless we use logic and we use some way to probe this

Andrew Wilsonfrom some un changing standard which logic would be to make a determination as to whether or not hey there could just be a mass delusion going on here perhaps you do think these things from the position of

Andrew Wilsonhow you feel that's fine I'm not saying you can't feel that way I'm just saying it could be irrational that you feel that way and so how am I supposed to discuss it with you if you just shut down and say but I hate that logic stuff

Andrew Wilsonbecause all that matters is how I feel doesn't that seem again irrational I I think that it's just a sensitive topic so people get heated over it wait you were going to come in on something yeah I was just going to comment on the whole

Lissarationality thing like I think her point is that like this doesn't have anything to do with like rationality because it's like putting on a seat Bel like you put on your seat Bel just because like in case it's like in case situation like

Lissayou're not going to choose the man in case something were to happen it's not just be it's not because we're like oh there's like this this percentage that it's going to happen to me today today's the day like if I choose the man it's going to like no no one's thinking about

Andrew Wilsonit in that way it's just like can I ask you a question so then but but then but then hang on I get it but but wouldn't that be irrational

TTS/Donationsthen Christine donated $200 as a female I will be honest and say that this spare versus Man debate is just a lowkey way for us women to remind

Brian Atlasyou men that we hate you and or have a lowlevel contempt towards your gender F you damn I I mean I do actually think that's what it is there is no there's no

Brian Atlasit's not rational it's not logical it's simply social signal signaling about how much women either don't like men or how they feel per this is a perception how

Andrew Wilsonthey feel they are unsafe around men can you let me finish the reason I think this I just want to give you my perspective real quick and then I'll turn it back over right um I think that

Andrew Wilsonyou that people could put themselves especially women in much greater danger by only appealing to their emotion instead of refusing to appe appeal to logic rationality uh but rather just

Andrew Wilsonappealing to emotion I think that that's a way that people put themselves in much higher categories of danger so when I take uh when I'm assessing this I think well maybe you're also doing something which is horrible for you and you don't

Andrew Wilsoneven realize that you're doing something which is horrible for you you know what I mean how can I how can I make those assessments as to whether or not you're even doing what's in your own best interest if I can't rationally analyze it if I have to just go off of your

Yaelemotions you had something I was just going to say logically are you scared of something that's bigger than you that's stronger than you us as women we are weaker to men so I think it is a little

Yaelbit of a survival Instinct just to be on the lookout I mean if we're talking about rationality and logic question no no I'm not saying that men that all men are bad and will hurt you I think most men want to saying ask

Andrew Wilsonquestion question that you ask stronger than me yeah but the question that you asked is isn't it logical to be afraid of things which are bigger and stronger than you well then by that logic men

Yaelshould be afraid of many other men right right so like if you're in a fight for example and the guy is way bigger than you aren't you going to be a little bit more nervous to fight him for example

Andrew Wilsonyeah so that would be rational so in this particular case then what's bigger a man or a bear are we still on I thought we were just talking about men can we talk about that yeah I know but I'm just I'm

Andrew Wilsonfollowing your logic can we talk about who attacks more woman because if the logic the logic is if something is bigger and stronger you should be more afraid of it and I agree with you that that's true then we would immediately default to the bear being way bigger and

Yaelstronger than a man so we should be way more afraid of it right absolutely but I'm just saying if you're talking about logical and why women are afraid of men well it's because you guys are bigger it's because you guys are faster some

Yaelmight even say that you guys are smarter uh because we act on emotions more so of course we're going to be a little hold on hold on so like let's just grant let's just grant that fine bunch of

Brian Atlaswomen you're scared of men men are scary let's Grant it even if that were the case I it's still the suboptimal CH choice just logically that it would be a bear to pick a bear it's still

Brian Atlasabsolutely I agree okay I don't even know what you're arguing about then no but you guys were saying let me let me bring it back to this I was asking would you rather be in a room with a man or a bear and I was waiting for your answer you didn't really give one can we move

Sophiaon um like like for argument sake a man um I I'll stick with my bear from the beginning still would rather be room

Sophiabear sure with with a bear okay it's equal chances man it's what it's equal chance for what well to be attacked 50/50 they're going to be either crazy or they're going to be fine it's either

Sophiagoing to be so wait 50% of men would attack you in that situation not 50% but like this is a random stranger it's ROM strer they're either going to let's say normal saying and not attacked

Brian Atlasme or they will so it's a coin toss when it comes to men when to the bear as well either the bear will be fine and just like but in order for that to be true you have to say that 50% of men would

Sophiaattack you well you never know it's a coin toss every time no but it's a stranger stranger danger like that could be any person that's how 50% of men would not I mean maybe that's your

Sophiaposition 50% of the men would no like attack you a stranger even if it's like the whole male population I don't know the whole male population 50/50 I don't know what's going to happen but you well

Andrew Wilsonare you are you more likely to be assaulted by a stranger or by a member of your family statistically or by somebody you know somebody you know I don't know the

Andrew Wilsonstatistics to be honest somebody it's not not only by somebody you know it's overwhelmingly um somebody you know it's almost every case is somebody you know it's very rare for strangers to actually

Andrew Wilsonassault people that they don't know it's actually very rare I'm just letting you know that so that you know uh room man or bear

Haleyman man man man still Bear Just because okay just because I don't like

Brian Atlaspeople if I'm going to get killed by the bear that's okay versus surviving with a man yeah you'd rather be killed by a bear than surv

Brian Atlaslive when with like you're not stuck in the room let's say you're in the room for 30 minutes an hour with no that's not I just don't like it could be it could be

Brian Atlasa woman it could be a woman in the so what you'd rather you'd rather be in a room with a bear than than a woman for 30 minutes yeah are you trolling no

Brian Atlasthere's no way this is do you have a Death Wish no what well clearly you do if you'd rather if you would if you were actually let's assume this was this was a a

Brian Atlassituation you were actually faced with say it was a I don't know [ __ ] TV show or some [ __ ] man or bear okay you have two two doors one leads you to a room with a bear one leads you to a

Brian Atlasroom with a woman you're picking the bear yeah are you like thinking of harming like self Haring what's no not at all not at all

Haleydo do you have thoughts of like no I mean I work with large animals so it's it's not like different okay I'm around them all the time would you rather be in a room

Brian Atlaswith a woman who you know for like fact is like a total pacifist or like a bear who you know is going to kill you which room do you pick well obviously if I know it's going

Brian Atlasto kill me I'd pick the woman but it's not guaranteed that the bear is going to let's say it's a 50% chance that the bear attacks you

Brian AtlasI can't believe what I'm [ __ ] hearing I'm sorry this is like actually okay I should just let you answer but which one do you pick

Haleybear even a woman she I mean I can't believe my ears consistency I can my I just what Okay g grizzly bear grid One

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LissaFrank Castle the entire panel and start over a thank you good you know what else is deranged though and what takes a lot of derangement spend $200 just to say

Brian Atlasthat I don't think you want to invoke his wrath I do I really do the same person okay we have a chat here from sfist uh can we have you read this one

Yaeloh God wait where is it go ahead there it is so sad to see these women think that a man's first instinct would be to attack them if a man is trapped in the woods then he's trying to survive just

Brian Atlaslike you he's not worried about hurting you all right thank you Soul Fist appreciate the uh message and the patronage man and we have another one that's going to pop up here in just a

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Brian Atlaslooking for some more background characters so uh you never know if you're in Santa Barbara we need someone local uh so okay I know look the whole thing the whole beers man thing I just

Lissathink it's like it's basically just like anti-male fear monger in um but uh okay one other just a few other can I say something really quick though like you know what makes it so much like funnier

Lissathough it's the fact that like At first women were just like oh I picked the bear but then it was like the men that were like she picked the bear over me she picked the she she Rather Be No and like then they start like talking about

Andrew Wilsonhow they want to get like really violent with these women who are picking the bear and it's like it's like proving the point like that's why she didn't want to pick the bear so this is um this is one of the

Andrew Wilsonworst coping Straw Men I've ever heard what men are out there saying how much they want to be violent with women who pick the bear it's all over Twitter all over Twitter it's can you show me a single tweet of men being threatening

Andrew Wilsontowards women because they would Pi the bear a single one pH how are you going to ask me to show you something when you guys took my phone yeah okay what's your I can go to your Twitter what is your Twitter handle I'll take a look right now there's actually men there who are

Lissasaying that they're going to be violent I didn't retweet this but you can go on my Twitter if you'd like whichever way but it's all over my timeline yeah and men are saying on your timeline that they want to hurt you cuz you picked the

Lissabear not me like they're responding to a woman online who are saying they picked the bear saying like oh my God like see this is why we [ __ ] hate you like that's not saying that they're going that they want to hurt them no they are

Brian Atlasbecause just search it up that's not saying that they want to hurt them because they pick the bear fact check me fact check me do you think it's wrong for men to be upset by women's answers that they'd rather be in the woods with a bear than

Lissaa I don't think it's wrong to be upset but like if you're going to get upset and then why do you think men are upset by it why do you think I feel like the men that are upset are the ones that like Place themselves in that shoe of like I wouldn't do that but I feel like

Lissathe man who knows that he wouldn't do that wouldn't even get upset like they wouldn't care about this whole issue like you don't see a high value talking about this discourse really okay let me

Andrew Wilsonask you a question so if a woman you so you don't see millionaires talking about this discourse you don't see men who are highlevel Elite athletes who talk about this you don't see for instance

Andrew Wilsonbodybuilders who have sent out tweets about this cuz that's all over Twitter would you like me to give you some examples of men entertaining this whole discourse with more than a laugh yeah I love it yeah yeah with more than a laugh where they say hey this is uh this seems

Andrew Wilsonlike it's Mass delusion what do they say oh what AB hang on I'm trying to answer your question calm down what they're trying to point to is that there's a

Andrew Wilsonmass delusion which is going on and that women have become so far removed from nature the natural order of things that uh they believe that due to the pampering that they have in modernity um

Andrew Wilsonthat they would actually make this choice but when presented with that actual choice we don't actually believe that they would we think that they're basically full of [ __ ] that's what so basically what the arguments really

Lissaabout is whether or not women in modernity are being delusional or not so wouldn't you as a man like question what causes that instead of getting mad at

Andrew Wilsonthe woman please speak into the mic wouldn't you question that as yeah that's what I've been doing yeah questioning that so where did that lead you to were you not able to what it led

Andrew Wilsonme to is that uh the answers that I get are completely irrational so I would have to assume that this is I can hang hang on I'm trying to answer your question I just I just let you speak I

Andrew Wilsondon't I don't know why you won't return the favor but uh anyway they when you ask me the question of what did I find out well I'm I'm diving into it with you right now and the answers have been totally irrational so I have to assume

Lissathat you're living under some kind of delusion here okay um do you want me to help you out with some simple math and you can fact check me again like I said okay so if you search up the

Lissaamount of bear attx we're going to talk just about the us right now now if you search up the amount of bear attacks in the US it's not that many you search up the amount of sa attacks wow and again it's you're going

Lissato say oh my God it's cuz there's so many more men than Bears just do the simple conversion I don't have to I haven't but actually did just so you know so let me let me give you some uh some counteracts go do you do you know

Andrew Wilsonwhat per capita means yeah I do okay so do you think that people who uh are round bears for a they frequently are around bears for long periods of time

Andrew Wilsonwhether they train them work with them they're in circuses with them do you think that their attacks by bears are less than that of women who perhaps are around men all the time in the workplace

Andrew Wilsonand things like this well you're working with a bear at a circus yeah I would think there's a high chance of you getting attacked so then what we have discovered by your

Andrew Wilsonlogic now and by kind of diving into this a little bit more is that the reason that there's such an infrequency of bear attacks on people is because people aren't usually around bears but

Andrew Wilsonthe people who are around Bears uh tend to get attacked by bears a lot more than women who are around men tend to get attacked by men so what you're saying here actually makes no sense either does

Lissait yeah but again in this situation are we in a circus with a bear or are we in the woods with a bear you're not talking in the woods yeah so that's even

Andrew Wilsonbetter so if you're in the woods with a bear and you know that per capita if you're around a bear you're far more likely to get attacked by the bear than if you're around a man then wouldn't it be rational to choose the man no but

Andrew Wilsonthat's where you're wrong that's where you're way more likely to be attacked by the man you're not way more likely to be attacked by the man if you break it down per capita those who spend time with bears get attacked by bears a lot more than those who spend time around men no

Andrew Wilsonwe're talking about the hike again remember so where's the stats for not the conditions are you're trapped in the woods with a bear so you're around the bear you're in the Bear's territory

Lissayou're around it you will cross in a circus just like you would be in these situations you still choose the bear that of training a bear at a circus you

Andrew Wilsoncannot compare those two stats those are you can't compare stats like that I can't I listen here's the comparison the comparison is to say that there's lots and lots and lots of women who are

Andrew Wilsonaround lots and lots and lots of men you agree that that's true right yes because of those conditions because they're around them so much the chances become significantly increased that they're could be an attack on a Woman by a man

Andrew Wilsonhowever the infrequency of the amount of times that people engage with bears is very low so of course bears and their attacks are going to be far lower than that of men on women however if you take

Andrew Wilsonit per capita and you look at how many people are around bears in some type of capacity you find out oops you are very likely to get attacked by a

Lissabear in some significant way if you're around them just like if you're around men that's why that exists that way yeah but your point is so irrelevant when you're considering the fact that your

Lissayour examples are you being in an unnatural situation with a bear you at a circus training a bear having a bear as a pet whatever it is that your example is is not the same thing as it hold on

Brian Atlasit doesn't even have to be it doesn't even have to be this circus scenario when he's saying per capita it can also be viewed as per encounter so if you actually make a

Brian Atlascomparison of human encounters with theirs and you make a comparison to uh women who are uh assaulted right so the amount of times that human beings would

Andrew Wilsonbe assaulted by uh these strange animals they come in contact with which they rarely come in contact with would be far higher than the amount of men that they come in contact with which is daily a

Lissadaily occurrence all the time Non-Stop that is very false because again who reports seeing a bear if they don't get attacked by the bear so who's to say what the he's saying the stats of just encountering a bear you get attacked

Lissaright who's going to have I'm sorry when you're talking about sa statistics don't most SAS go unreported yeah so the sa statistics well then how do you know by that logic that they've actually been sa okay but no you're actually helping my point because in that case the sa

Andrew Wilsonstatistics is even higher than we know so thank you for that yeah I know but but if it is higher than we even know and you're saying that most of go unreported then how can we actually know that they were ever Ed by the same logic of bear attacks by how many people see

Lissabears but it goes unreported it's the same logic you believe the one stat but won't believe the other because of the I'm saying when people see a bear and they aren't attacked they're not going

Lissato report that that's my case yeah but I'm saying that women who have not been that would be the same logic in Reverse though you believe it right but then you're telling me that there's a stat of when people encountered the bear versus

Lissawhen they got attacked and I'm saying that doesn't really count because of the fact that they're not reporting all the like the Encounters of bears when they're not attacked you get my point let us well I don't but let us just

Andrew Wilsongrant it for a second just for the sake of argument it still wouldn't matter if you if you're around men all the time and I assume you are in some capacity

Andrew Wilsonright you're around men all the time in some capacity is that is that true or false yeah it's true okay and most of

Andrew Wilsonthose men almost of those men try to assault you right maybe some do but most the overwhelming majority probably do not right yeah so if that's the case then we

Andrew Wilsoncan apply this to the more time that you spend with random men the more likely it is that you're going to get assaulted we would have to do the same thing with bears the more time you spend around random Bears the more chance you get

Andrew Wilsonassaulted which one do you think will assault you quicker the random Bears you spend more time with or the men that's the question the bear the bear exactly so it's actually

Lissairrational for you to say that you would rather be stuck in a forest with a bear again it's so rational the fact that there's been how many women who have gone and gave you how much time

Andrew Wilsonexplaining all this and you still didn't get the point what what's the point I'm not going to go ahead and like SP all this time well I just want to let you know he tried to move it on but you brought it back to this that's why we're

Andrew Wilsonin this engagement again you actually said can I speak to this again and that's why we're back to it again true we were still on the bear I just went back to my point we never left the bear

Lissathen I responded to your point you left the situation so I just Contin but he's responding to you yeah and was I supposed to stop responding and just sit back well well no he said I would like

Andrew Wilsonto move the conversation on and you were like but wait can I just make one more point which is fine but then if you if you bring it back to this of course we're going to argue about it again yeah

Yaelvalid I was right what what was that I was just gonna say I think the topic has been discussed useum and it's yeah way

Brian Atlasmore over it's been over so yeah next topic well hold on hold on I'm the host if I want to talk about this all [ __ ] night I will uh but two two last quick

Brian Atlasquestions on this and we will move on I do find it interesting that a lot of women pick the bear but I mean how many of these same women who pick the bear will gladly like go over to a strange

Brian Atlasman's house who she matched with on Tinder go back to his house after drinking and partying you guys probably all know girls that meet a guy at some [ __ ] frat party [ __ ] him that night

Brian Atlasall alone absolutely no issues there so it's interesting though when we put you in this venue that's a bit you know in the woods versus some dingy frat house

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