RAGE QUITS?! Andrew Wilson vs. Liberal Feminists! 2+24? TOO Picky?! | Dating Talk #161

Date: 2024-05-15

Duration: 7h 18m

Guests

Brian Atlas

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Sophia(guest)

SPEAKER_04Paige(guest)

SPEAKER_05Yael(guest)

SPEAKER_06Lissa(guest)

SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_08Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Lauren(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ena(guest)

SPEAKER_13Haley(guest)

SPEAKER_14Audrey(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteAudrey chooses bear: "I would say a bear because I know that at least like the worst thing he could do is kill me, a man could do a variety of things"

QuoteAndrew calculates that if 30-40% of men would attack women, that equals 33-55 million American men who would assault women in the woods

QuoteAndrew's bear logic test: "walk over to random men you don't know, reach over and pat them on the head and walk away; do the same with wild bears — which one attacks you quicker"

ControversySophia says she would rather be killed in a home invasion than have her husband use a gun to defend them because she is terrified of firearms

QuoteLissa rates herself a 10 out of 10; says she is "showstopping"

QuoteAndrew Wilson rates himself a 4 out of 10 on looks

ControversyLauren directly challenges Andrew Wilson on his treatment of born-again women: "it sort of seems like you are extra harsh on them... it doesn't seem like it's coming from love"

ControversyYael accuses Andrew of hypocrisy: "do you know what's also wrong — smoking cigarettes and drinking alcohol... your body is a temple"

ControversyAudrey expresses collective frustration near end of show: "we feel a little bit irritated and a little bit disrespected... we came here thinking we were going to speak about our experience and all we did was essentially get argued against"

QuoteFinal body count round: Audrey states body count of 2; most others decline to answer

Topics Discussed

Introductions and relationship statuses

Brian introduces the panel; each guest states name, age, location, occupation, and relationship status. Includes extended discussion of Yael's complicated situationship with ex-boyfriend at Cal Poly.

Friends with exes

Panel discusses whether remaining friends with an ex is a good look in a new relationship.

Man vs bear viral debate

Extended multi-round discussion of the viral "man or bear in the woods" question. Panel divided; most chose bear. Andrew Wilson and Brian present statistical and logical rebuttals. Covers per capita attack rates, anthropomorphizing animals, bear vs man safety.

Bumble swiping segment

Each guest given 20 Bumble profiles to swipe yes/no on. Most guests were very selective (few or no yes swipes). Discussion of why they said no to most profiles.

Gun ownership and home invasion

Panel asked about comfort with partners owning firearms and home invasion scenario. Several guests expressed fear of guns; Sophia said she would rather be killed than have husband use a gun. Haley stated a man must own a firearm to date her.

Self-ratings (looks 1-10)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Ratings ranged from 4 (Andrew) to 10 (Lissa). Extended debate about what a 10 means and whether self-rating reflects comparative standards.

Attractiveness over time and fertility

Brian asks if guests will be more attractive in 10 years. Andrew follows up asking about fertility decline. Debate about whether women peak in 20s and delusional self-assessments.

Taking a bullet / gender roles in protection

Panel asked if men should take a bullet for their girlfriend. Extended discussion of car-or-Grim-Reaper sacrifice scenarios. Debate about whether expecting men to defend honor while rejecting bullet-taking is inconsistent.

Andrew Wilson vs born-again women / women in clergy

Lauren challenges Andrew on his treatment of born-again women on the show. Andrew explains he objects to false theology not personal reform. Extended theological debate about whether women can be Christian clergy; Andrew cites 1 Timothy.

Feminism, oppression, and men vs women

Broad debate on feminism, whether patriarchy exists, gender oppression comparisons, male vs female emotional decision-making, and whether women should vote.

Military conscription and draft equity

Brian and Andrew argue that male-only selective service is a counter-example to feminist equity arguments. Audrey struggles to propose an equitable solution. Discussion of whether women being exempt from draft is a privilege.

Racism toward white people / white privilege

Panel asked if you can be racist toward white people. Lissa says no (prejudice+power definition). Andrew challenges with bigotry framing. Brief white privilege discussion.

Closing chaos roast section

TTS donation roast messages read aloud. Body count round at end. Audrey states body count of 2. Others decline. Brian wraps up and does Twitch raid.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthe views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever Channel with that said and without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so

Yaelplease tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead I'm y l I'm 19 and I'm here in Santa Barbara but I'm

Yaelfrom the Bay Area and I currently go to sbcc and I'm a graphic design major all right welcome

Audreyhi I'm Audrey um I'm 22 I'm a student here at UCSB um I'm originally from Seattle um and

Sophiayeah hi I am Sophia I am also a student here at UCSB and I am originally from Brazil sorry did you say your age I am

Sophia21 years old 21 did you say you're major um I'm Psy brain Sciences my Majors art history and Museum studies art history and Museum studies do you want to be a

Brian Atlasuh curator or something or either that or maybe on a gallery if get there somay okay what's your favorite time period for art do you like modern art kind of I

Brian Atlaslike 16th century netherlandish painting a lot Dutch 16th century Dutch when was when was Van go he was Dutch right that

Sophiais uh yeah was he Dutch or I think he was Dutch yeah um I think he's 19th century okay yeah all right and uh what

Laurenabout you I'm Lauren I'm 32 um I work with kids during the week and after school program and on the weekend I wait

Lissatables all right welcome hi I'm Lissa I'm 21 I'm a UCSB fourth year and I'm a so major all right welcome hi I'm Ena

EnaI'm originally from Ukraine I live in Sacramento I'm 30 years old and I'm a realtor all right welcome hi my name is pay I'm 27 from

EnaMassachusetts I work with farmers and farmland I do sorry I do customer service and um I'm working on music with

HaleyHank chill all right my name is Haley I am 20 years old um I am from Stockton I am a part-time goat

Haley[Music] milker oh sorry I didn't that wa your part time goat milker yes so I milk goats you milk goats I do do you milk other animals or is it just goats just

Haleygoats right now maybe cows in the future um and then I'm a full-time student transferring to Fresno State in

Brian AtlasFall Stockton yes okay cool all right and then uh without uh oh we have Andrew Wilson my Caucasian welcome Andrew yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I

Andrew Wilsonam the host of The Crucible it's a f fastest growing debate channel on the internet I'm a political analyst political saturnist and also a blood sport debater um appreciate all of you

Brian Atlasbeing here good to have you back Andrew so we're going to have uh we're gonna go excuse me we're going to go around the table once more so what is everybody's

Brian Atlascurrent relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship wait I already said that maybe uh married

Brian Atlaspolyu sex cult part of a herum whatever it may be if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in starting with you go ahead um I'm single

YaelI guess uh yeah okay U my longest relationship was like 2 years how long have you been single you guess

Brian Atlaslike eight months some eight months I think eight months I don't know and when you say single you guess is it complicated kind of

Brian Atlasit's currently complicated sure there's a prospect in the picture or who knows who knows Well we'd like to know um so

Brian Atlasuh is it the currently complicated with the guy you broke up with eight months ago yeah okay so you're like in a

Brian Atlassituationship kind of sort of is it on again off again not really I don't know I'm just not looking for anybody really but so you're still like talking to the

Yaelguy that you used to date yeah he's like my best friend too though like he's your best friend we just really close so when's the last time you guys hung out last week last week mhm you're you're you said you're from Santa Barbara right

Brian Atlasno I'm from the bay are oh you're from the bay okay um and is this like kind of a long distance thing or does he also live here uh he goes to cowply okay slow

Yaelokay uh so you you'll go there or he he comes here uh not like to see each other though just like when I visit cuz there was

Yaellike that music festival was it last weekend yeah shebang that was shebang yeah I went to that so was that in slow mhm yeah it was super fun okay so were

Brian Atlasyou guys so was this the two-year relationship mhm okay or like almost two years almost two years but then it ended

Brian Atlasyou've been single for eight month mhm so for the two for the duration of the two-year relationship was it committed monogamous or was it uh

Brian Atlascommitted yeah okay exclusive boyfriend girlfriend yeah okay there was a title and so you uh you you see him like every weekend or

Yaelsomething or no no just like if I'm going there or if he he has friends here too so who who ended the relationship him he ended it yeah okay like distance it was a lot of things okay so is he

Brian Atlasdating is he currently dating somebody else no not to your knowledge not to my knowledge no okay but he is kind of dating you not really though well you guys are hanging out right yeah are you

Brian Atlasguys still getting frisky that's the way to put it sure yeah okay wait so I mean but you said you've been single for eight months

Brian Atlasbut the guy you were dating for 2 years you guys are still like hooking up um kind of doesn't sound like you're totally

Brian Atlassingle dep I mean sure I guess like would you go if some guy who uh you thought was like really cool really attractive if he asked you out would you

Brian Atlasor would you say no because you're kind of involved with this current guy like asks me out like like some guy was was interested in you a different guy mhm would you tell him no because you're

Yaelkind of involved with this guy or would you say oh I'm single yeah date you uh I I guess I'm just not really looking for like anything like I wouldn't really I

Yaelwouldn't say no necessarily but like as I said I'm not even like I'm just kind of focusing on myself I guess well would you say no because you're currently semi involved with I don't know if that's the

Yaelreason I would say no I think it would be more just because I'm not like wanting that I'm also like transferring in the fall so it's like okay yeah wait so you said he broke up with you mhm and

Brian Atlasyou said the the reason was just like the distance or whatever mhm okay um cuz I went to SDSU and so that's like a much longer distance so okay so is it kind of

Brian Atlaslike SDSU nothing Santa Barbara friends with benefits and if you're closer to slow that would get you the title what do you mean well cuz you SDSU

Brian Atlashe was like full on breakup now that you've come Santa barbaraa you're you're 3 hours closer so no it was after so I left SDSU and then it was after that

Brian Atlasokay so all right it's complicated so you would consider is it a situationship how would you categorize your current thing sure yeah I guess that's what I okay and you're fine with that you don't

Yaelmind that sure would you be okay if he was like dating or sleeping with other women I mean obviously not dating cuz dating that means you're like just with one person uh let's say is just like

Yaelcasually hooking up with other girls would you be okay with that um I'm I don't think he is I also he's not that type of person well you guys are both

Yaelsingle by your definition right but I also I'm not into like hookup culture and anybody I tend to date isn't either so like if he was that would something

Brian Atlasbut well why if I mean if that's the case if he's not into it you're not into it why avoid having a title I don't know if that's I don't know it's complicated

Yaelas I said how I'm not well I'm a little confused to like I don't know that's I don't know

Brian Atlaswell would it would you no longer want to see him if he was uh say casually hooking up with another girl not

Yaelnecessarily okay not like I don't know if I I mean it's his life we're not is he in a fraternity yes are you in a sorority no he's in a fraternity Yeah

Brian Atlascouple girls here seem like they had a reaction to that uh slow it's uh calply slow do they have a decent party scene there not so much at least compared to

YaelUCSB oh nothing compared not compared to UCSB butb uh uh I don't know every time I've gone there it's always like it's not that good it's also like

Yaelthe cops are really they don't have they'll shut down at a party in like 30 minutes like okay quickly so so he's in a frat you guys don't have a title we met

Brian Atlasin high school so uh it was before he was in a fraternity sure okay oh so you guys went to high school together or you for the last senior year of high school yes

Brian Atlasokay I want to ask the ladies at the table do you think be honest do you think the guy is maybe seeing other ladies what do you guys

Haleythink I think he might be but I don't know it to me at least it sounds like he has you on a leash a little bit does it that's just what it sounds like to me

Laurenbut it sounds like you guys have like a close friendship M yeah I think if there's not a label on it he's in a fraternity I feel like that's enough I think it's enough but she's saying she

Brian Atlasdoesn't really care like that much if he's like she cares more about the Friendship yeah yeah the Friendship yeah yeah wait I'm I'm curious so you guys he

Yaelhe dumped you eight months ago um sort of what do you mean sort of I mean yeah but I feel like dumped is not the word well so how did it go then

Brian Atlasuh I don't know did you text you or call you or was this in person no it was in person in person yeah and he sat you down he was like was there was there

Brian Atlashandhold did he did he go for handhold okay I'm just just uh okay so okay do you go for handh holds when you do something like that thing I'm I don't even want to do that [ __ ] in person to

Brian Atlasbe honest we've been dating for we've been dating for two years maybe a text damn not even a call give text not even a call are you proud of that

Brian Atlassuper I I well okay no hold on maybe two years I'll maybe I'll consider doing it in person I usually I just you know I'll just wait until they break up with

Brian Atlasme that's the that's the better but I I prefer that they just send me a text you prefer being breaken broken up with if I've been dating a girl for like two years yeah just text me have you ever

Brian Atlasdone the breaking up with you got you got to speak into the microphone have you ever done the breaking up with yeah yeah I've ended things why' you she looks she does this like oh you'd never

Brian Atlasbreak up with a girl uh yeah I've I've broken up with girls um like just over text or uh I mean look I've done it in person too but and you prefer the texting it's

Sophiaeasier I'd rather a girl just break out with me over text to be honest it's much easier to like be broken up with than like breaking up with a person but then I feel like you get back together when it's over text I feel like there's a lot

Audreymore emotional labor that goes into breaking up with someone and that it would be a lot easier for you to just like be an [ __ ] until she finally gives up and then just texts you and you're like oh it's done

Audreynow you're on this you're on to something okay so uh like that sounds a little bit you know cowardly but I'm not saying that you're a coward I'm just saying that I think that maybe you could

Brian Atlaslike you know communicate or something I mean I'm being a bit flippant but uh uh yeah no if I've decided that I no longer want to see somebody I I'm not going to like intentionally be a [ __ ] so they

Brian Atlasdo it so they do the breakup but uh I actually don't mind if the girl wants to break up with me just you can just text me it's okay like oh you want to meet in person I don't need the closure talk really I don't like the closure talk do

Brian Atlasyou have like a ready like paragraph on your notes app to break up with people like a little paragraph cop and copy and paste every time yeah just I I have the um I have like chat gbt like I asked it

Brian Atlasto draft up like a breakup text for me and just just send it every time just email don't even Tex exactly wait so does anybody else here think the you know any thoughts on her

Haleyguy situation is you know I think he's what's so significant about your friendship if I may ask um I feel like

Yaelwell he's just like one of the coolest people I know like genuinely he's just a cool person he has really he's just interesting and he's nice and he's just like a good person to have around and

Yaelhe's yeah we always have a good good time so it's like okay I feel like it's yeah I don't know do you have other close guy friends um some yeah I have some close gu do you think any of them

Brian Atlaswould be better options oh none of them would I want to be with no no wait so I mean if you it sounds like you really like this guy he sounds great you're really attracted to

Brian Atlashim have you made a push in this 8 months to like regain the title no not really would happen if you were like you texted him tonight called him tonight and you said I want to be boyfriend

Yaelgirlfriend what do you think his response would be I'm I'm not sure I think it's a complicated situation I think there how's it complicated well I live here he lives there I'm also transferring like I don't know where I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to transfer yet so there's just a lot of things that like well you're currently already at Fair what slows like two hours away 90 minutes something

Brian Atlaslike that something like that yeah so you're already already distanced um you don't think he would go for it I

Yaeldon't know I haven't asked I think I don't like I don't like conflict or asking necessarily I'd rather just enjoy

Brian Atlaswhat I'm happy with right now okay that sounds like not good but I swear it's chill like I mean just the only reason I'm asking is cuz I mean initially you

Yaelsaid single but then like you're you still frequently every weekend pretty much every other weekend no like maybe once a month once every few months oh once every few once a month maybe well

Yaelyou saw him last weekend that was cuz there was a music festival so oh okay I was there for a different reason okay all right

Brian Atlasso I'm just going to say it's complicated yeah it's complicated uh but it doesn't seem like you're open to meeting somebody new though so you're kind of like this guy's kind of locking

Brian Atlasyou up a little bit sure yeah I saw would you uh if you met another guy mhm would you break it out

Brian Atlaslike cuz I mean I could certainly see if uh you met a new guy and he finds out that you're still friends and still hanging out with a guy you dated for two years and you've been in a essentially a

Brian Atlassituationship for uh eight months would you just do a clean cut with this guy and stop being friends with him if a new guy asked you to

Yaeluh like stop being friends though just as friends too yeah no friends I don't know I'd have to I'll I'll open that

Brian Atlasquestion up to the whole panel like should you remain friends with an next is it a bad look to your new partner um but first let's get through everybody's relationship status so uh what about you

Brian AtlasI'm single all right how long have you been single s once I was

Brian Atlas19 so 20 22 21 20 four so four you've been single for about 4 years yeah like three or four years three to four years okay longest

Audreyrelationship I think probably like six months six months I don't even know if you would count it as six months you could ask him what why do you say that depends on the cheating timeline I would

Brian Atlassay how many dudes did you cheat on with oh I didn't cheat oh oh [ __ ] my bad yeah oh okay not me oh okay uh so he was cheating on you yeah it also would

Audreydepend on like yeah I guess like we were on on a different page about what the relationship was so in my mind it was probably about like 6 months like in

Brian Atlasterms of how I was invested as like a girlfriend okay and you uh from what age to what age did you date them were you

Brian Atlas18 19 19 to 19 19 Okay so 19 for this one all right and then that's that's the longest relationship you've been in was it was there a title boyfriend

Brian Atlasgirlfriend yeah for a period of time okay and then you broke up with him I'm assuming because of the cheating yes okay but you've been single for four years any prospects in that four-year

Brian Atlasperiod anything shorter term maybe three months any shortterm things like that or not really nothing where I thought someone was going to be my boyfriend okay have you been on dating apps at all

Audreyfreshman year I was before I met my ex and it was kind of just to like mess around like I wasn't actually like going on a dating app to try to like mate someone would you like use the was it

AudreyTinder that you're were using or um yeah I think it was only Tinder that I ended up on like other people recommended like I think it was hinge or Bumble maybe Bumble um but it was actually funny

Audreybecause one of the guys that I was talking to on Tinder ended up swiping on my friend on like another app and then I was like oh he's on all of them like you know he's for the streets he's he's for

Brian Atlasthe streets he's for the streets for the streets okay and so I didn't actually like I was kind of just like messing around on Tinder because I was bored I see okay go on did you go on any dates meet any guys from Tinder or no I went

Audreyon on one date okay did it go beyond that or was it just a one date thing we went we went on a second date and then you weren't feeling it no yeah no he was

Audreyhe was 22 and I was 19 at the time so we were like in just really different places mentally I guess like I mean I was a freshman he had just graduated I

Audreythink from like one of the uc's and he lived in Santa Barbara and so he had like his parents house here and I don't know exactly what he was doing he claimed to have like a really good job or something like that and he's talked a

Audreylot of talk and just seemed like he was 22 and so I was like oh you know like older guy like he must be he must be set he must be like legit and then he was acting up and I was like why are you you inviting me over to go like drink at

Audreyyour parents house and like play beer pong you're literally 22 and you claim to have like a high-paying Tech job like What's your deal and so I was like no uh

Brian Atlaswell to is he like a dinosaur basically like did you view him as a dinosaur at that age no I didn't view him as a dinosaur I viewed him as like like a high value man like I thought that he

Audreywas like you know had his had his [ __ ] together and then he like kind of didn't so I was like and also I was like why are you asking out like freshman girls like why are you not dating in your own age range

Audreynot that that's like a huge age Gap but I was kind of like it was just weird so he was 22 and you were 19 yeah yeah I don't think that's I don't think there's anything weird there and also like looking at it now that I'm 22 I don't

Audreythink it's that weird but like it was just kind of funny that he was more it felt like he was more interested at the time and like obviously when you're 19 and you're living here you have a lot

TTS/Donationsmore options thanone who just graduated sure Hopper uncore Outdoors donated $69 that first girl is going to be her friend's baby

Brian Atlasmom any any plans to get knocked knocked up okay all right actually really I want to add a question onto the H but I mean

Brian Atlasthat's not that's not really an age Gap right 22 to 19 that's that's not really even yeah I don't think that would even fall fall into it but so uh you were uh so you've been single for 4

Brian Atlasyears um in that fouryear time period I mean are you any prospects currently any like any prospects no nothing just stay at home pretty much or I don't stay at home

AudreyI just like don't like I'm not I'm not looking I guess I'm like about to graduate yeah did you uh go out and party at all yeah like do you hit the bars downtown yeah I honestly

Brian Atlasthe bars downtown are not riveting in my opinion not fitting okay you you party around here yeah like are you yeah I am okay yeah okay so you go like the Frat

Audreyparties and stuff like yeah I did the whole the whole frat party thing okay I guess I mean like sure like when you're younger and they like pair with the frats to go have the parties and stuff

Brian Atlaslike fully had the whole like sorority experience guys sure okay um so no zero prospects not even like a you know more

Brian Atlascasual F friends with benefits thing not really I don't I don't think that the like dating pool that Leisa I'm

Audreylike mingling with is interested in copying a girlfriend at this point I don't think that I'm necessarily interested in copying a boyfriend and um I would just say that like the love of

Audreymy life is not an IV and he's not at Joe's downtown and he's most definitely not at any of the frats here so

Brian Atlasokay and so uh what you said you're not really looking to have a boyfriend at this moment what are you looking for if anything um like I would be looking to

Audreybe in a relationship I just don't think that it's here so like when I graduate then like that's a different story but okay here no are you planning to stick around here or you going to move

Brian Atlassomewhere um I'm moving back to Seattle back to Seattle downgrade it is kind of a downgrade yeah weatherwise anyways weatherwise probably other wise reason other reasons I have a

Brian Atlasjob back there so you got one lined up yeah and you're graduating like so you're leaving in like a month or two or something yeah like once I graduate I'll be going back like three once my lease

Brian Atlasis up like three days after yeah okay gotcha but so for the four years you've been single were there any you said there was like a couple month thing here

Audreyand there or yeah like I it's not like I've been celibate but like sure it's I don't think that I've never been like I haven't been committed to someone since I was a freshman cuz I think I kind of learned my lesson with that one where I

Audreywas like not going to fight for my life to try to wife someone up um and that was it's what happened all right um okay

Sophiagood to know good to know what about you um I am soon to be single what what is that me soon to be

Brian Atlassingle you want wait look into this camera and say Bartholomew I break up with you

SophiaBartholomew that's his name right I don't know no if I say his name is like too obvious like that will not work so you're currently in a relationship

Sophiayes like yes like yeah it's just okay um it's been very complicated this has been yeah a really weird weird the weirdest relationship I've had so far in my life

Sophiawhy is it weird cuz a lot of bad things happened and it was a lot of things did you do to him I didn't do anything that's the thing I've been there I've been sitting and getting a lot of DMS half the time and it was just like very

Sophiatroubling and it was wait for you to be getting DMS or what what was troubling it was just like people saying stuff which I will not open up here but it was just like a lot of outside influences

Brian Atlasinto the relationship oh like girls would DM you saying like yo your boyfriend's cheating on you basically like like worse things what's worse that I will not say here but it's

Sophiajust been a very bad he was like making rumors about you no like I that's like a for an off like no imagine no no it was

Brian Atlasjust a lot of he's a furry imagine yes I kind of I think yeah he wasn't okay wait so how long have you been uh dating this guy for

Sophialike technically since July again wait again so it was off I met him last year in January okay um and then I left the

Sophiacountry for two months mhm and then I came back so for like a period while I was gone and we were like we took a break because like I was gone I guess and it

Sophiawas just too much and then just like everything went down Hill after I came back in a way but we're both graduating so we both had a talk recently of like okay let's just not because we live

Brian Atlasreally far from each other and dad didn't work can I just have you scoot your mic this way a little bit this way yeah this way oh sorry yeah you're fine

Sophiauh so okay uh you've been seeing him for like six months again like July like last year so like a year

Sophiabasically okay I'll just say one year yeah but you're going to ended yes what is he he's probably watching what if he's watching right now we

Sophiatalked and I we've talked like you talked yes we've both are in agreement of that take it off 69 I'm keep keep going we are both in agreement of that

Sophiaand it was just like hard at first but again while I was gone it was terrible and we don't live close to each other and I don't need that I don't need to go through that again I don't think he

Sophianeeds to go through that again so it was just it was a mature talk like we're fine but at the same time we both know they were literally not seeing each other in like 3 weeks wait so did you get cuz you said you're in a

Brian Atlasrelationship but you need to break up with him so you had like a pre- breakup breakup talk yeah so it's like hey in a couple weeks we have like an expiration date like we

Brian Atlaslike like you know like things go bad like hey it's going to go bad that day and after that we're done so is this like one of you you're graduating or we

Brian Atlasboth grad school's ending so you'll stay together until the end of the semester or whatever quarter and then you go your separate ways yes huh okay why not just

Sophiabreak up with him now cuz there's still a lot of care towards each other like I care a lot about him and I know like I hope and I believe that he cares as well so basically it's like let's just like

Sophiaappreciate what we've had even though it's been a very troubled Road this far yeah and just try to be peaceful for the love of God are you guys living together no I will never do that again you both

Brian Atlaslive in Santa Barbara yes okay H so you're planning to break up but you're currently together yes and is the so the

Sophiabreakup is because you guys are just going to be going your separ like moving different areas moving to a different area I think for me like I can't speak for him but like for me it's just like apart

Sophiafrom distance like there needs to be a lot of personal growth and I'm for you or for him for both I think same like I feel like I've been through like a lot in a different relationship and in that

Sophiaone so it's like I don't need to go through that and I think it's an actual time for me to like start just focusing on myself cuz I jump from relationships you're a what is it a serial monogamist

Sophiaor whatever not really but it just kind of kind of like happens it's like bad what's bad the dating like I don't know like after a while I'm just like oh like why am I dating again but it's funny all

Brian Atlasright so you said you got like weird DMS about him what I don't know if you can give us a general idea of was he cheating is that basically

Sophiait things like that kind of happened but that was I was told that in person by people that I thought were my friends and then I was like oh damn you knew that for like a long time until you told

Sophiame this so like okay uh but the Instagram stuff it was more I don't like how do I say this like dark subjects like I don't know just

Sophialike very bad things that were like being spread about him and yeah sure exactly okay uh what about you um I'm in a

Laurenrelationship how long have you been in the relationship um about like four to five years

Brian Atlasis this your longest relationship yeah okay what about you I'm single how long have you been single uh a year and a

Brian Atlashalf 1.5 years longest relationship uh two years and a half all right you were on you were on one of our early shows

Brian Atlaslike I think it was our one of our first like 20 shows uh so that were you in a relationship back then so that was I believe in September of 2022 was when

Lissayou were on um that was actually when we just started talking so we started dating shortly after okay so you dated him for a little bit Yeah but not too long couple months it sounds like no two and a half

Brian Atlasyears wait cuz but you you said you've been single for 1.5 years but you were on the show like a year and a half ago no I was on the show in 2021 no no that was 2022 September

Brian Atlas2022 I double checked really take my word for it yeah oh then I start then we were already dating and we had been dating for a year then exactly okay got it okay you um I

Brian Atlasdon't know the exact math on it but you probably either ended it or were single around the time you were on the show what about you um so I was with someone for about 10 years and then we

Yaelwere like on and off we were married we have two kids together um I'm divorced now I'm single and I've probably been single for about a year one year okay

Brian Atlasany dating prospects in that time or yes I'm just keeping my options open all right uh actually going back to you really quick you've been single for 1.5

Lissayears any current dating prospects um no I actually just got out of a situationship situationship how long was that

Lissaum very like my entire College time that I was single but like off and on cuz it was like also like my best friend that I was like hooking up with

Enaso now we're just friend all right what about you um I'm currently running a Harum sex cult sorry I'm just kidding I'm single and I've

Brian Atlasum um my longest relationship was 7 years from what age to what age um from 13 to 20 damn okay that was like Junior High status uh Middle School basically Middle

Brian AtlasSchool yeah uh how long have you been single um for S years oh so longest relationship s years single for 7 years yeah uh in that 7e single period any prospects longest thing in that period

Brian AtlasI've tried to date but it hasn't um worked out for me so nothing like a month two months three months nothing

Enano anything shortterm more casual um no i' I've tried I went on like you know one date here or there but nothing more than

Enathat uh so have you been celibate um um no there's been a couple times where I've slipped up but I've been celibate for the past couple years now how long

Brian Atlashave you been Cate like 3 years or something four four years all right years yeah yeah that's pretty good pretty decent period of time uh four years and you've been on dating apps at

Brian Atlasall or no um I tried to go on Tinder and I've had bad experiences on Tinder so okay all right celibate for four years good times good times uh is it for like

Enaare you religious at all or I'm Catholic but okay it's just cuz I have realized that I don't want to I realize that I don't want to um

Brian Atlashave sex with someone until I'm in a committed relationship with them okay until you're in a committ so not until marriage but until you're in a

Brian Atlasrelationship yeah okay and so has that been your standard for all the men that you have dated

Enano okay the that one relationship that I was in that was the only relationship that I've been in mhm and then the other people I have hooked up with okay what

Haleyabout you um I have a wonderful boyfriend uh we've been together for 6 months and is this your longest relationship my longest relationship was

Brian Atlasa little over a year one year all right Andrew Wilson what about about

Brian Atlasyou I am happily married have been for well over a decade all right and you said you had two kids is it yeah from same same man right yeah okay let me

Brian Atlasjust write that down two kids all right we've got everybody's relationship status so where do we begin we did we oh I

Brian Atlaswanted to ask okay so do you guys think it's a good look or a bad look to remain

Yaelfriends with an ex starting with you um I I think it depends on oh sorry am I speaking close enough no you're good you're

Yaelgood uh yeah sorry I I think it depends on like the person in the situation I feel like it's kind of hard to like give a generalization cuz like you know I I

Yaeldon't know I would say it really depends there's like obviously certain people that you like if they've been back to you like don't stay friendss with them but you know if right I feel like it depends on the well like let's assume

Brian Atlasthat the relationship was otherwise a good one I guess the this question is more so from the frame of you're dating somebody new could remaining friends with an

Yaelex become an issue in your new relationship that's kind of the angle for this question yeah um I mean I suppose it could it just depends on like what um

Yaelrelationship you still like if it's really genuinely just friends then I wouldn't see the issue on like both sides like okay if someone's literally just their friend and that's one thing so would you date a guy

Brian Atlaswho's still best like best friends with an ex-girlfriend um yeah I guess if they

Yaelwere genu at all I feel like it like nothing in the back of your head no I mean maybe I would that would be you know something

Yaelwhere i' be like hm you know but also as I said I think it it's all situational it's kind of hard to put a generalization um I would say that there's like something a little

Audreysuspicious about it like I don't think that it's like a lie if someone were to say that they were friends with their ex and I don't I think that's like pretty respectable I guess but I don't think that you just kind of like go back to

Audreybeing friends feel like once you date someone then that's the status of what your relationship is and so if I were to meet a guy and he was like yeah like I'm besties with my ex I'd be like that's weird like I don't know if I would be

Audrey100% comfortable with it and I think that like even if I were to like try to be fine with it I would probably feel kind of insecure and be like why do you like why are you guys still friends

Audreylike is there like an underlying motive or essentially like I'm your friend I'm your best friend so we're not going to have you like be besties with the old one there's no reason for the old one

Sophiashe's done respectfully okay there you go what about yeah um that's like a tough one cuz it's so situational like I know I've tried being

Sophiafriends with an ex and that didn't work and I don't know like I feel like if I started seeing a guy too I also like would be like very sused out and like I've been the one that tried to be

Sophiafriends I was like I might be the problem too so I don't know mhm but it's just like cuz like how close friends are you guys like do you guys just hang out at allot of times like

Sophiawhat is h like what is this friendship and like what like what is happening here like what is this relation that you now like you downgraded like what happened there mhm so I don't know I

Laurenhave too many trust issues um I think it depends on the relationship also and um I think sometimes maybe if you're in like a super long-term relationship you might

Laurenstill have connections back with your ex and might be friends with them and it might be just that and I think that could be unpr problematic but I think if

Laurenyou're going to make yourself like open to a completely new experience and they know that you're talking to your ex it does look bad so there's two sides to it

Lissain my opinion I feel like you can't really be friends with your ex after you guys break up like depending on the relationship you can definitely have a closeness like I'm personally very close with two of my exes but if I were to get

Lissainto another relationship would change the dynamic of our like closeness so like the most we talk would be like a happy birthday phone call or something um well I don't know it just

Yaeldepends on the situation it's kind of a slippery slope when you're friends with an ex um like me and my ex have to co-parent so we have to be cordial but I also feel like there's also that chance that you guys could end up hooking back

Enaup and it just kind of starts everything back up um so yeah I think it's really hard to do that I think it would be detrimental to a new found relationship to be friends with

Haleyanyone that you were in a relationship with before or hooked up with before um I definitely think it's a huge

Haleyred flag um I think that there are some situations where it's not as bad but

Brian Atlasdefinitely odd okay uh LP by the way we boosted it back up to 100 just heads up but thank

Brian Atlasyou for the song LP um we did uh we did change that about 15 minutes ago so it's just uh the $69 TTS was for just the first 30 minutes of the show now it's

Brian Atlasback up to uh it's 100 read two uh well 99 read 199 plus uh TTS uh okay and then I mean my thoughts on this is easy

Brian Atlasanswer no uh not a good look would not date a girl who is friends with her ex you can be on good terms with them you can be

Brian Atlashave be amicable but if they're like friends and like hanging out that's just it's a nogo Andrew quick thoughts on this one uh no you shouldn't ever be friends

Brian Atlaswith your exes and if you're in a committed relationship of any type you shouldn't have friends of the opposite sex either okay there you go and so I want to ask this question I we won't linger too long on it because we've

Brian Atlasalready we've already talked about this on the show a couple previous times the man vers bear debate maybe you guys seen this viral thing on Tik Tok social

Brian Atlasmedia so if you're walking alone in the woods would you rather come across a bear or man

Yaelum I've come across Bears I do a lot of hiking so i' they're not like what kind of bears uh thankfully not a Grizzly but

Yaelblack bears uh a lot in Wyoming was it Wyoming yeah okay um I don't know they kind of leave you alone as long as you look down and you back away slowly you

Brian Atlasdon't make yourself look big you're fine mhm so so you have come across you've actually come across bear were you alone or walking with friends I was with my mom my sister yeah okay we were

Yaelbackpacking and so you did come across an adult black bear yeah okay and so what what did you guys do in that situation um we really just you know it was like far enough away that it wasn't like you

Yaelknow right at our faces or something thankfully otherwise my sister would have freaked out and run away which would have been really bad but um you know you really just you mind your business you look down you back away you

Yaeldon't look you know you don't want to scare the bear obviously or make any sudden movements so it's really just look down back away slowly which I feel like could be the same thing you could

Yaeldo if you see a scary man alone in the woods you look down back away slowly so I think it could go either way okay you you did do that with the black bear though you look down walks back okay

Yaelyeah okay or like when you see them like if you're backpacking when you see them you just kind of they don't they just mind their own business they don't really want youru you ever do that have you ever like crossed paths with a man

Yaeland looked down I feel like every time I see a man I don't want to make ey cont oh [ __ ] okay all right I all right what about you um my friends and I were talking about this debate the other day

Audreyand I think that it's funny because um I would say a bear I think that if you were to reverse the question respectfully I don't I don't know what guys say to this but I would say a bear

Audreybecause I know that at least like the worst thing that he could do is kill me a man could do a variety of things okay well I'll get everybody's answers we won't Linger on this one for

Sophiatoo long but I'll get people's answers and um a bear cuz that's easier to scare away a bear is easier to scare away I think is isn't like you're supposed to just like scream at them and then they like

Laurenrun away that's like the tales I've heard depends on the bear I rather the bear still though I don't know I'll take my chances okay so the bear all right what about you um I love bears I wish I could be close to a bear and it not kill

Haleyme but I'd rather be a man okay I'll take the bear any day you guys are crazy a man for sure a man I I would say bear because I like

Audreylarge animals that's a terrible answer well bears are also like Dumber like you like if a bear like I would rather be probably like being mauled by a bear

Audreywould suck but like a man could sneak up on you like they could kill you in like lots of other like really sadistic ways like a bear is just going to Maul you

Enaand you can if if you're lost in the woods and you find a man that could help you out or build a fire or build a place for you to stay like over the night wherever you guys are lost like I feel

Lissalike they'd have a lot more survival skills then at least I would have if I'm lost in the woods I help you though I thought this was a man you though that's the whole thing about like finding a man in the middle of the woods would be the dangerous part what if they're just hi

EnaI'd rather be alone what if you get lost and there's a man hiking and he has all these survival skills that you personally don't have that could help you in that situation there's a lot of men that would help women yeah but there's also a lot of men that would do the opposite and it's like are you going

Brian Atlasto take your chances of like I rather trust myself here so let me ask so this sort of seems to there's this assumption here that the

Brian Atlasman would be bad in the situation what percent like so the the frame here is you take you pluck a totally random man out of say the entire population of the

Brian AtlasUnited States totally random man so what percentage of men do you think would attack

Lissayou a high one I feel like it's also the fact that the man knows that he's alone with you and that he can get away with anything it'd be very different find on the side of the road like on the side of the road it would be like okay that man

Lissawill probably help me but like in the middle of nowhere it's like you really don't know and I wouldn't want to take my chances cuz I just value my life a little too much so well asking asking the question what since we are talking

Brian Atlasabout you're just picking it's a totally random man it could be a good man could be a bad man could be a neutral man I guess so the good man could conceivably say you're lost in the force he could help you survive could be a neutral man

Brian Atlaswho just walks right by you goes along his way could be a bad man who Ser murderer whatever what percentage of men do you think if presented with this

Yaelscenario would actually attack you in in some way whatever way that might be are you asking me yeah starting with you we'll go around the table I don't know probably not a large percent what do you

Yaelthink I don't know I that's such a broad question I feel like I wouldn't like of the US population you mean was that what

Yaelyou said yeah sure um I don't know a low percentage I would say not a very high percent necessarily but give 10% 20%

Brian Atlaslike 30 maybe 30% 30% of the men is that a lot am I I don't know well we'll get everybody's answers what about you what do you think I would say maybe like 20%

Audreylike one in five one one in five men would try to murder you I don't like I don't know it all like I think it's really context dependent too like what it what is he doing in the woods alone

Brian Atlaswell you know it's just you've just plopped a random man it's just like by chance totally totally random man I would say probably 20% so one in five men would be inclined to murder a woman

Audreyif given the chance oh um I don't really know like maybe I would say it's probably lower like in reality of in terms of like

TTS/Donationsmurder rates or whatever I just think that grid One Motorsports donated $200 good to see let be honest you will never see the man as he knows why will

TTS/Donationsbe nothing but a drain on resources and decrease his chance of survival he will simply watch as you give the bear indigestion F you're all okay thank you he donated $200 to say that so

Brian Atlasembarrassing that's so you don't you don't want to invoke you don't want to invoke his wrath trust me uh okay first girl's answer is mute because she was what oh

Brian Atlasokay uh I thought the microphones were muted uh what percentage of men I don't I I can't even think about it if I recall you said like who said majority of someone said I

Sophiasaid a high one I feel like what's high I feel like 30 to 35 like maybe even pushing 40 I feel men just scary as a woman in like if you're ever alone

Sophiajust in the streets in the city is already scary enough and there are no bears imagine the scenario there's like no one else but just you and a random

Brian Atlasman okay so Random 40% of men would opt to attack you in this situation what about you I'd

Laurensay a very low percent um did you did you say man or bear I said man I'd rather be a man yeah and be a man uh I'd rather it be a man oh it be okay I'd

Laurenrather the person in the woods be a man than a bear what percentage do you think a very small percentage I think there'd be some men that'd be happy for like another person to find another person in the woods and I think there'd be a low

Lissapercentage that would want to kill you what percentage 2% maybe 1 1% okay what do you think um I think there actually be a pretty low percentage who want to

Lissalike fullon kill you maybe like five like 7% but like a good 30% that would like do something very questionable even if it's like the lowest form of like

Lissasexual harassment but like for sure make you uncomfortable maybe even like 40% so okay what so when you you mean like they would ESS you 40% 40% would make you uncomfortable

Brian Atlaslike they would do something that well would couldn't a man just make you uncomfortable just by walking past you in the woods not even not even doing anything no I'm pretty sure you like you get my point like 40% like for example

Lissaone would like I don't know like like slap your ass or something like that like something that like is not okay all right that's okay uh you said man what P what percentage though

Yaeldo you think would like do to murder or to like rape or like what are we talking about here try to say essay instead if you have to talk about that sorry um I don't know like five to 10 depend what

Brian Atlaswe're talking 10% men would try to essay or murder yeah okay what about you I think like very small like .1% okay what

Haleyabout you yeah I would say like 1 to 2% but you did pick bear if I recall I did only because I am striving to be a large animal vet so I think that I could

Brian Atlasactually help the bear if it needed it you know you're not really engaging in good faith with the question but she just wants to come in contact with a bear in the wild I think that's I know

Brian Atlasbut you're kind of like dancing around the point of the question but uh okay um so the numbers some of you guys provided

Andrew Wilsonwere pretty high uh well here's what I've got I've got um for the first one she thinks that 33 million men oh my God

Andrew Wilson33 million men would want to in somehow do horrible things to you uh which would include murder the second one's 55

Andrew Wilsonmillion men by your estimate would want to uh do something horrible to you in that situation the other one's estimates were

Andrew Wilsonstill Beyond high but um you really think that 33 million men in the United States want to murder you in a forest if they could like honestly do you think

Yaelthat no I was kind of just shooting a random number I wasn't like I feel like it's so broad I don't know the percentages very for that so not I meant not a lot let's just go with not a lot

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