She BETRAYED Brian?! Gen Z California College Girls! She Says Men Are GROSS?! | Dating Talk #257

Date: 2025-08-25

Duration: 6h 22m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLexi (Escort)>

KKayla (Addiction)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Solo(guest)

SPEAKER_03Bella (BB)(guest)

SPEAKER_05Cena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Sativa(guest)

SPEAKER_09Lexi (Escort)(guest)

SPEAKER_10Kayla (Addiction)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Ava (Sushi)(guest)

SPEAKER_12Felicity(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced

Key MomentAva: stalker climbed balcony and broke into apartment at 2:30 AM

Key MomentBrian calls Cena's breast implants a 'betrayal' — title reference

QuoteLexi gives body count as 'the number of pi' repeatedly throughout show

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including escort Lexi, former alcoholic Ava (18, sober 2 years), and returning Cena/Sativa.

Plastic Surgery Debate

Brian: would ban surgery as dictator. Extended panel debate.

Cena Betrayal (Breast Implants)

Brian calls out Cena for getting implants after he told her not to — title reference.

Hypergamy/Dating Apps

Average women pursue above-league men who won't commit.

Feminism/Wage Gap

Brian defines feminism as women's advocacy with anti-male rhetoric.

Trans Athletes Debate

Broad consensus trans women should not compete in women's sports.

Transcript

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Ava (Sushi)>> I'm sorry. I'm putting my hair up. Give me one second. Um, no. I've been really celibate actually. >> No problems. >> I mean, since we broke up. >> So, two weeks.

Brian Atlas>> So, like a few weeks. Yeah. I'm I I'm not seeing anyone else. >> Are there any guys in the picture? >> No. >> Okay. Uh, have you ever had a Well, I'm going to go back to you. Have you ever had a roster? >> Yeah.

Ava (Sushi)>> What's the biggest the roster has ever been? >> Maybe like three or four. >> Three or four guys. Have you ever had a roster? Does that mean I'm hooking up with them at the same time or just like talking to them and kind of interesting?

Solo>> It could be or it could not be. >> Are you talking just like exploring like a connection with multiple people? Is that kind of where you're >> That's one way you could phrase it. Sure. >> Okay. Probably. Yeah. I don't know.

Ava (Sushi)>> How How big's the roster been for you? >> Like a little bit of interest. Like my feet dipped on a few different pools. Maybe like six or seven. I don't know. Is this regard like when you say roster

Brian Atlas>> six or seven? You said >> like six or seven. >> And was there any point like >> I'm not thinking of a specific situation. >> I know it wasn't all the guys, but were you like hooking up with maybe two or three of them? >> No. >> I've never Yeah.

Ava (Sushi)>> Okay. >> I I've never like been able to like actually like continue like I I've been able to like kind of hook up with one person, but two people at the same time. >> You've been single for a year. Any guys in the picture?

Bella (BB)>> Uh yeah. Yeah. Well, when I mean when I say like I've talked to people, but when I say like I thought you were meaning like actual dating. Like my act my last actual relationship was a year ago. But when you mean when you say roster like does that mean like people that I'm

Bella (BB)interested like multiple people that I'm interested in? >> Sure. Yeah. >> Mhm. Yeah. I've had a roster. >> How how big? Um,

Bella (BB)I mean there was I think I've liked like had slight interest like I was like picking between maybe like four. Okay. >> But not like I was seeing all of them or talking to all them. Just like there

Brian Atlaswere like the choices. >> Okay. All right. Um, let's see here. Oh, by the way, Razer, I see your TTS. I apologize. We'll get right to it once I finish this segment. Uh, what about you?

Brian AtlasYou're 18. You've been single for a month. Um, any guys in the picture? [Music] >> Possibly.

Brian AtlasPossibly. I don't know. >> Are you saying other guys? Is there guys in the picture right now? >> Just one guy. >> Are you talking about right now? >> Well, when I say yeah, guys in the picture, I'm asking just for right now. >> Oh,

Brian Atlas>> but the roster thing, that's just anytime.

Brian AtlasOh, roster. Do I have a roster? >> Yeah. >> Have you? >> No, I don't have a roster. >> Have you ever had a roster? >> No. >> Okay, going to you. Uh, you've been single for seven months. >> Multiple people you were interested in.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Is there a guy in the picture? >> Um,

Ava (Sushi)>> Ava, how do I get that? He thinks he's in the picture, but you've explained to him multiple times why and how he's not. So, >> yeah. No, not really.

Solo>> A little bit cuz you still like respond. >> No, I haven't. All day. >> Since I haven't since. >> Oh, okay. Good. >> Since when? >> Today.

Solo>> No, we got in a really big fight. We're not even dating at all. >> You were hooking up? >> No, nothing. We haven't done anything. And >> Wait, really? Yeah. Really? I didn't know that.

Brian Atlas>> All right. Um Okay. Damn. But >> uh have you ever had a roster? >> Yeah. >> What how big was it at the biggest? >> Three people. Okay. What about you? Uh or you're in a relationship. Have you ever had a roster?

Sativa>> Not really. I would like casually date but one person at a time. Like I can't really focus on multiple people. >> What about you? >> Um no. >> Okay. What about you, Cena? >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> There's a guy in the picture. >> No. No. Just >> you you did have a roster though. How big was the roster? >> Sorry. >> Like 10.

Brian Atlas>> Roster of 10. And were you hooking up with a few of them? >> No, just one. >> Just one. But you were going on dates with some of them. >> Yeah. >> So like you had the guy who you were

Brian Atlashooking up with and then this guy took you out to dinner. This guy was really funny. this guy, I don't know, uh, bought you flowers or some [ __ ] >> They're different. They're different.

Brian AtlasThat's like >> women have like compartmentalized like, okay, he's really good in bed. He's really good-looking. He's really funny. Uh, this guy, >> is that what roster means to people that you're seeing?

Ava (Sushi)>> No, not always, but this guy drives me places. This guy gets me food. Blah blah blah blah. Like, that's just like using I mean, maybe that's a good idea. just like using each guy for what they can give you. Are you Is that what

Bella (BB)>> Maybe that's a good idea. >> It It is something that happens for sure. >> That's not what I met. That's not what I meant by my feelings. I just had like a crush on like three different guys. >> Yeah, I know. It's not like I was like

SPEAKER_00actually like >> Oh, did I change my >> Yeah, sorry about that. >> Where does a

SPEAKER_00>> AV A Z O L E Z? >> Where do I meet women also? meme. A V A

Ava (Sushi)V A >> A V A Z O L E Z I Z like zebra. >> Uh, where do you I'll let the panelist

Lexi (Escort)>> Where do you take a Pilates class? Because I find that every time I take Pilates and I have like two or three guys in my class, I'm like, damn, what is he doing here? Does he have a girlfriend? Why is he here? I think it's

Bella (BB)so hot. In person is the best way to meet people. Yes. 100%. >> Happened naturally. >> Ask for a number. Not on Instagram. >> Don't go looking. Don't go looking for >> like go outside. >> Yeah. Go outside.

Ava (Sushi)>> Yeah. But I mean like go about your day. Like go do something new. But don't restaurants.

Ava (Sushi)Church is a good place. Church. Church. Church. Love. >> Yeah. Like if you're if you're

Ava (Sushi)>> alcoholics anonymous shut up for it na >> narinon >> narinon 12step >> oh yeah no that it's alanon >> alan

Brian Atlas>> I'm well you can there's one for narcotics addicts too but >> um >> sex addicts anonymous like sex addicts

Brian Atlasmeetings are pretty >> the kids from Shameless did they yeah that girl >> yeah do a support group for sex addicts. >> You could try there. Um, >> you could be a sex addict. >> Meet up. >> Anyone here,

Kayla (Addiction)>> you can download this thing called Meetup or meet I didn't mean that. >> And you can put in what you're looking for and there's a bunch of groups you can meet other single women. Sometimes they have speed dating. >> Hobby. Do you have a hobby? >> Hobbies.

SPEAKER_00>> Could try hobby. You know, if there's a hobby, a sport, something. >> Go to the beach. Go to the beach. Yeah. >> What if he lives in like >> Tell a girl you like her hair. Antarctica. >> Not her boobs.

SPEAKER_00>> Patty donated $200. What's happened to society? How can any of you all have a roster? None of you got it like bricks and send the asteroid.

Brian Atlas>> Sure, man. I got you. Boom. Asteroid scent incoming. Yo, Patty. >> Uhoh. >> Is this the Patty who did a the Champagne Pop last show?

Brian Atlas>> What a legend. Patty D. Lexi over here was asking for more alcohol, but unfortunately we're tapped. Yo, good to see you, man. Thank for the TTS. Appreciate the support. >> All right. Uh what was the next thing we

Brian Atlashad to get into? I think you know what we got to get into? Uh oh, you know what? Do you think

Brian Atlasit's wrong for a man to care about a woman's body count? >> No. >> No. Wait, can you repeat that? >> I think that's justified. wrong for a man to care about a woman's

Bella (BB)body count. Do you think it's wrong >> if it matters to it matters to him? >> If it matters. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't think it's wrong at all. >> Mm- I think that's completely It's >> Can you guess what I'm going to say? >> Is he insecure though?

Bella (BB)>> Can you guess what I'm going to say? >> No. >> Preference. >> Is he insecure though? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> No. I think it's normal to want to know. >> Yeah. I think it's okay for a man to care. You know, >> there's men who do care and there's men

Bella (BB)who don't care. And those women who do and don't care. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> I think I personally care. >> I care >> about body count. >> Yeah. >> Like the guy's body count. >> Yeah. >> You don't want to date no hoe. >> I would. No. It's not that I wouldn't

Bella (BB)like I'm not going to like judge at all, but I don't think I would I wouldn't want to be with a guy who's slept with >> especially at my age, >> 60, >> 18 years old, like just barely an adult.

SoloAnd if you have more than like 10 bodies, it's kind of insane. >> Yeah. Cuz then it's like, okay, so then like, >> okay, let's say it's 15, though. I wouldn't judge, but I judge if you lie. >> That's I'm not judging how many you

Bella (BB)have, but I'm judging if you lie. >> There's just no point to lie about it. >> I think there's no judging, but if it come if it comes to someone that like I'm going to be with, >> I it matters.

SPEAKER_07>> I see. Well, the question it beckons the question, >> what's your body count? Starting with you. >> One, two, number of pie.

Lexi (Escort)Crickets. Crickets. >> You've shared it before. >> 1 2 3. The number of pie. Look it up. >> Oh. 1,234. >> 3.14151972438.

Lexi (Escort)>> Number of pi. Okay. [Laughter]

SPEAKER_08The [ __ ] was that? >> Number of pie. >> I like that. >> Somebody get her meds, please. >> Uh, body count. >> We're not going first. She didn't tell the right answer.

Kayla (Addiction)>> Okay, Cena, go ahead. Maybe go this way. >> Three. >> Three. Okay. What about you? >> Um, for both men and women. break it down between the two. >> Okay, so with men, I'm probably in the 20s, but mind you,

Kayla (Addiction)I've had most of them before I was the age of 18. Um, and with women, I'm probably in the teens, 15. >> Okay. What about you? >> Mine's also probably in the 20s, too. >> Gotcha. What about you?

Bella (BB)>> Three. >> Three. Okay. >> Do I have to answer? >> Yes. >> No, I do not. >> Must. You must answer. >> You have free will, girl. Yeah, >> you must answer your >> I'm uncomfortable. I'm personally

Brian Atlasuncomfortable answering the question, but I would I'll participate in the conversation. >> Do you want to do a ballpark like it's 5 to 10? >> Why are you looking at her?

Brian Atlas>> Zero to one to two to three four 5 6 7 8 9 10. I don't know. >> What about you? >> I'm uncomfortable answering the question. >> Okay. >> My like my family is probably going to see this.

Bella (BB)>> People going to assume. No, it's it's definitely I promise here. Okay, I'll give you a ballpark. It's under five. >> Okay, that's fair. >> I'm also gonna give that ballpark. >> Boo. It's not. Is it? You want the ballpark? Give us the ballpark. >> You just said three.

Brian Atlas>> I just said it's three. >> Oh, three. Okay, >> that's the truth. >> Sweet. Do you ballpark or No, >> I just No, I >> My ballpark is the number of pi. I say again 592653. Okay, >> you guys know pi is a number between

Brian Atlasthree and >> I'm going to somebody in the chat. She's been on the show like two or three times. She's said it before. She's just being intentionally obnoxious. >> You know, the times before the chat, babes, they were all also just like the number of pi.

Lexi (Escort)>> 3.141492653. >> You could pull it up every time. >> Look, I if I recall correctly, it's like because >> you couldn't we couldn't do the math. If at 3.141519, >> it's it's over.

Ava (Sushi)>> It's literally those numbers. It's over a thousand or something, right? >> 3.1415. >> It's really a bonding experience. I can't wait to see you guys in the halls now. >> Awesome. >> Yeah. So,

Brian Atlas>> all right. You know, it's uh >> multiply it by three and that's the real number. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. That's the rule. That's the math. That's the boy math.

Brian Atlas>> Got to multiply by three. Okay. Let's see. What else do we have to do? Uh, oh, Nick had some interesting. Hold on, Nick. Nick had some suggestions

Brian Atlaswe're going to do. So, let me pull that up. Oh, let me shout out. Yo, John, thank you for the 25 on Venmo, man. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. >> Oh, should we should we do the Bumble thing? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Also, anybody want to recharge energy drink? Anybody want to >> recharge? How how much longer do I go over there? >> A million years we have left. Uh, what's up, Nick? >> Wait, what time is it? I didn't say

Brian Atlas>> uh it's like nine >> nine till two more hours 10 >> two two two >> two more hours >> of who I want to date >> age range >> like 27 and up

Brian Atlas>> 27 and up. >> We we're going to do the Bumble thing later. Okay, Nick. We're just >> Are you creating me a profile right now? >> No. No. >> Nope. Definitely not doing that.

Brian AtlasUh, I do want to I'm going to wait until she's back from the from >> Oh, it's all good. >> No, it's all good. All good. >> As it's really pretty. >> Yeah. Really? Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop. Stop.

Brian Atlas>> It doesn't stop. >> What? Okay. >> I'm talking about other stuff. >> What happened? >> Just don't make comments about that. Um, >> yeah. Nick, pull up Twitch.

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Brian Atlas>> All right. Dirty toxin. Thanks for the uh gifted sub. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Uh, show of hands. Who here's a feminist? >> Feminist. >> What is that? Can you define it? >> I mean, there's varying definitions.

Ava (Sushi)>> Like support women. >> Yes. >> Feminism would be >> there's made it into some extreme thing. A feminist doesn't mean that you're running at rallies and stuff every day.

Brian AtlasFeminist is someone who supports women. >> Nah, that's not reliable. >> Someone who supports that idea of equality. Way too. >> That's way too charitable. >> Someone who supports the general idea. >> So here's my nicest definition. Feminism. >> No, do the real one. Do what you think

Brian Atlasfeminism is. >> Well, I'll give you the the here. I'll give you two then. >> Okay. My charitable definition is feminism is a woman's advocacy movement,

Brian Atlasbut baked into that means it's not an equality movement. So feminism is women's advocacy, but it has nothing to do with seeking. >> So feminism means that like women who think women are better than men. >> That's no, not necessarily at all

Brian Atlasextremists. >> Not under my charitable definition. There's nothing wrong with women's advocacy, but my own assessment as charitable as possible is women uh

Brian Atlasexcuse me is feminism is not truly an equality movement. It's about advocating for women, which is fine. My real definition of it is it is a woman's

Brian Atlasadvocacy movement, but it's also clearly clearly strongly anti-male >> and has massive amounts of anti-male rhetoric. That's my definition. >> Uh based off your first definition.

Brian AtlasYeah. >> Yeah. The first definition. Yeah. >> Okay. Who here's a feminist >> off the first one? >> Yeah. Off the >> But what about this though? Should we smash the patriarchy?

Brian AtlasI should have added >> I don't think they're really No. >> Some uh there's another definition. a movement towards equality

Brian Atlaswhile simultaneously dismantling the patriarchy. That's another definition. >> I don't like that. >> I don't like that either. >> I think >> in favor of the patriarchy. >> I think women's advocacy is good for

Ava (Sushi)problems with women, like specifically women. But I think it's important to prioritize equality over that. You're you're explaining this as if people explain the Black Lives Matter movement saying that black people are better than

Ava (Sushi)white people when that's not what it's about. >> Feminism is also not about women being better and Black Lives Matter is also not about >> Total Straw Man didn't even say that. >> Well, I mean, you kind of are referring

Brian Atlasto it in the same way. You're saying that like a lot of feminism is >> people thinking that women are better than men. No, I Well, what I specifically said is overt women over >> there's overt anti-male rhetoric in the

Ava (Sushi)feminist movement and misandry. So, misandry the counterpoint to misogyny. >> I feel like I feel like you're missing I feel like the that line of thinking is part of the issue though. It's like you're missing the point.

Ava (Sushi)>> I think people I think that like there is anti-men and there's like also anti like anti-men and anti-women like >> Yes, I agree. So like I don't think >> the feminist movement

Kayla (Addiction)it's steeped in anti-male rhetoric. >> I kind of agree. I agree. I agree with that. >> I think they took the feminist and just m like again made something that it was. That's what I that's that. Yeah.

Kayla (Addiction)>> It's the mainstream feminism that >> Yeah. It's the mainstream feminism. I actually believe that it should be it's equality. I'm talking about across all boards. >> I don't >> I think that women should be drafted. I think that women should get out there

Kayla (Addiction)and do men's work. That's just me. But to me, what if you're going to talk about women's rights and equality and all that, then it should mean everything, not just when it it best benefits you. You know what

Brian AtlasI'm saying? >> Yeah. Well, that's my that's my first definition because if, for example, if there is a form of equality that comes

Brian Atlasto the detriment of women, feminists absolutely will not fight for that equality if it conceivably comes to the detriment of women. >> So, for example, equalizing the military

Brian Atlasdraft, >> that would create equality between men and women. This is not a feminist talking point. Feminists don't argue for this. There's other certain things like in example in Florida a couple years

Brian Atlasago. I think it was the National Organization for Women. I could be mixing it up with another women's org or whatever. The court system was trying to equalize

Brian Atlascustody between parents, between fathers and mothers with an assumption that both parents should have equal split custody. The way the law previously was was that

Brian Atlaswomen were treated preferentially in the court system. Feminist organizations, women's organizations fought against this because conceivably doing that would come to the detriment of women.

Brian AtlasThat's why my position is feminism while it advocates for women doesn't actually seek to have equality if said equality hurts women in some sort of way.

Ava (Sushi)>> Yeah, I agree with that. >> How does having more or like more access to your child hurt women? >> That's I feel like women want to have their kids. I don't think that that's

Brian Atlasthey want >> I don't think the feminists were like >> no they were arguing against the other position saying it hurt I guess it hurts women conceivably to their detriment because women often want more they don't

Brian Atlaswant 50/50 custody they want more custody but in the interest of fairness and frankly what's best for the child it is best for both parents to be involved and we shouldn't like do this bigoted

Brian Atlasgender sexist thing of defaulting women to getting custody I've never heard any like feminist movement about that though? Like I feel like that's >> okay. Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean doesn't exist.

Brian Atlas>> Feminist really that's not really about women like that's not like that's more like about child care. >> The organization hold on that's a component of feminism and gender dynamics between men and women. The

Kayla (Addiction)organization I cite to is the preeeminent women's advocacy or feminist organization. The courts absolutely do give usually the rights to >> Oh, no. I know that. I know that. I'm just saying it.

Kayla (Addiction)>> Yeah. There's a massive bias in the court system against men, especially as it relates to custody. >> It doesn't matter even if the woman Even if the man makes more money, the court's still in favor with the woman usually. I think that it shouldn't be that way at

Brian Atlasall. I guess I'm not a feminist, but >> but um I mean >> but look, there's nothing necessarily wrong with with groups of people wanting to

Brian Atlasadvocate specifically for their inroup, >> but I don't think feminists want to paint it as we're it's about equality. Well, only equality when it benefits women, >> when it benefits them.

Brian Atlas>> If it doesn't, they'll fight against the equality. So, just call it what it is. It's women's advocacy. Nothing wrong with that. But don't don't try to >> But what was the point of bringing up feminism? I'm pretty sure like it like

Brian Atlas>> I was just asking who's a feminist here. >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Cool. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um but do you think like I don't know do you believe >> No, I think that parents should have equal custody. >> Yeah, sure. But that was I was just giving you one example in which

Brian Atlas>> feminists will fight to ensure that there isn't equality in certain realms. So, are you for like So, what's your position on feminism? >> What's my pos I mean? >> Yeah. Like, are you a feminist? Do you care about

Brian Atlas>> Absolutely not. >> Absolutely not. Definitely not a feminist. You might even say I could be I'm an anti-feminist. That doesn't mean anti-woman because they're male feminists. So, I'm

Brian Atlasanti-feminist because feminism clearly, especially with much of the rhetoric that is espoused by feminists, is really, really harmful and misandale.

Brian AtlasAnd the whole foundation of most feminist teachings and theories is anti-male. And that's the patriarchy theory. If that's your basis for establishing like that's the lens that you look through,

Solo>> the basis for feminism was like women should vote. Yeah, that's fine. >> But that's how it it started as and it turned into >> Yeah, there were legitimate >> more traditional

Brian Atlas>> there were legitimate things that were unequal when it comes to, you know, certain things that women had that men or that that men had that women didn't. But if you look at much of the rhetoric

Brian Atlasinvolved um even historically but especially modern day when women have secured all these rights and there really is equality between men and women

Brian Atlasuh most of the rhetoric is incredibly misandressed and quite anti-male.

Brian AtlasI mean, I guess I would ask you if feminism is about fighting for women's rights, I would just I guess I would ask, do you think that men and women don't have equal rights? >> Well, 100% men and women do not have

Brian Atlasequal rights. >> Okay. Well, I guess which ones? [Laughter] >> Cuz it's you're saying it's you're laughing because you think it's self-evident. Like, how could I even ask

Brian Atlasthat qu? Well, >> like literally the pay gap >> like the what? >> Okay, I'll engage you on there, but Sure. Sure. I'll engage you on the pay gap, but but can you tell me like what

Ava (Sushi)are some of the actual rights that men have that women don't? >> I guess like rights like do you mean like the right to bear arms and like the right to vote? >> Well, that was the conversation.

Ava (Sushi)>> I guess yeah, legally. Legally, no. >> But why did you scoff then? If it is the case that women have equal rights to men, >> well, I guess I I was thinking more just like are women seen as equals? I was thinking that way. I shouldn't have

Ava (Sushi)scoffed. >> Are women seen as equals? >> Yeah. I don't think that women are seen as equal to men. >> In in what way? I think you have to be a bit more

Ava (Sushi)>> looked at as more like stupid and like I think Yeah, it's true. Like >> you don't feel like you get talked down to by men because you're a woman? >> I do.

Brian Atlas>> I feel that way every day. >> Okay. I get talked down to by women. So I mean >> true. >> Yeah. But I don't think that they're talking down to you because you're a man. >> Uh >> maybe some women that are super anti-men.

Ava (Sushi)>> So maybe there are women that are anti-men that are like talking to you. But I think that like every a lot of people are born with like a >> But what if somebody's just stupid? Like what if a man is stupid? What if a woman's stupid? >> Then you treat them like they're stupid, but not because they're a man or a

Brian Atlaswoman, because they're stupid. But I I think one thing that's interesting to me about that is it seems like it's often the case when a bad thing happens to women or a bad thing happens to a

Brian Atlasminority, somebody in a minority group, whether they're they're Hispanic or they're black or they're Asian, whatever it is, there is this this yearning to

Brian Atlasthe bad thing that happened to them happened because they're part of this identity group. a bad thing happened to a woman and it happened because she's a woman, but we don't put this sort of same thing on there.

Ava (Sushi)>> So, give me an example of something that like someone like something that might happen to me and then I might say like, "Okay, it's because I'm a woman." >> Well, you mentioned Black Lives Matter recently, so I I guess I'll take it in that direction. >> So,

Brian Atlas>> I can't wait. >> Yeah. So, uh what happened, you know, look, that that whole thing is very complicated. the George Floyd killing. There's varying disputes over,

Brian Atlasyou know, was did he OD? Did the police contribute to his his unfortunate death? You know, there there are legal disputes there. However, nothing actually in the

Brian Atlasconduct of the police officer would indicate to me that it was racially motivated. But those those were race riots. A black man did happen to die and that's unfortunate. But there's nothing

Brian Atlasin the actual conduct of the police officers that would indicate that they was racially motivated. He did happen to be black, but where's the where's the racism? I think it's I think that in

Ava (Sushi)that situation I honestly I'm gonna say like this one thing and then I think that I like what I was really asking was an example like for myself like something that would happen to me so that I can judge like would I say oh is it this because I'm a woman or what

Brian Atlaswhatever but in that situation I think it's really just statistics of things like that happening to black men over >> Sure. Well, the exact then shifting off of that then the exact example you provided, you say uh men talk down to

Ava (Sushi)women and you're saying that it's because they're women. But then the reverse, >> but why would suddenly after like so many centuries of sexism and women being

Ava (Sushi)less than and like suddenly, yeah, okay, we have the same rights, but suddenly like men are really going to treat you the same. Like that's just not how it is. That's not women. Also, also women,

Ava (Sushi)I think that we have internalized sexism, too. And sometimes we might think a man is better suited to be our surgeon than a woman. Like, if you're like, you know, I think that it's like it's >> Do you think that?

Ava (Sushi)>> No. But I think that off first bat, a lot of people, maybe myself, if I was given two options, the first thing because that's what we're trained to think is that like men are going to do a better job at certain things. >> I don't think it's true that way. I

Brian Atlasdon't think that way >> actually. I mean, um, again, I'm not I'm sure there's been studies on this. I'm not familiar with them. Uh, there there maybe has been some studies that

Brian Atlasactually >> that actually maybe point out that in some surgical practices, women have some degree of better like hand eye coordination or I don't know the exact anyways that's be that's besides the point.

Brian Atlas>> It's called manual dexterity. >> Manual dexterity. I like for example and this would kind of just make sense without like a study needed like assuming women have smaller hands they're better able to like make sort of

Brian Atlaslike if you have big big man hands or some [ __ ] it's kind of like hard to you know like with really small instruments you know so >> I think that men are better than women at some things and women are better than men at someically

Bella (BB)>> I agree with that >> but I also think that there can be women that are better than men at things that men are normally better at too. >> Mhm. >> And vice versa. >> No, I agree. >> I think it literally doesn't matter. If you're good at something, you're good at

Brian Atlassomething. That's the end of the story. >> That's what I'm saying. Wait, I did it sound like I was saying that people should think that men are better surgeons. >> No. >> Oh, okay. Just making sure that's not

Brian Atlas>> But so I guess is there And one thing actually, you mentioned that you mentioned that there was a lot of sexism for lot long periods of time. Are you talking like about the vote? I mean, I'm

Brian Atlastalking about like everything like we all know like the history of sexism like what >> but you do realize for example men only got the right to vote very very shortly

Ava (Sushi)before women like it was not a long period of time >> you mean like like poor men or black men or Native American men are you talking about this country other countries >> all men

Brian Atlas>> because voting started happening >> yeah so voting is a pretty new phenomenon for the vast majority of human Yeah, I think we started voting in like like multiple hundreds of years ago maybe. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Broadly voting voting is very recent past 200 300 years. >> Yeah. Women's voting is like past >> 100 years. So I think the differential in the United States I think the

Ava (Sushi)difference is like 50 years >> from when all men could vote and from when all women could vote. Very small period of time. >> Yeah. That's all men like like they waited to allow like men who were poor

Ava (Sushi)or that weren't property owners and stuff to vote. Like that like that was years after like men with money or white men. Like first it was men that were

Ava (Sushi)property owners and like were also religious and also white could vote. And then it was men that were property owners and white. And then it was Yeah.

Ava (Sushi)And then like it kept going like there but it up until the very end it was just men who were this and one who were that. >> Well the point I'm trying to make is that for the vast majority of human history

Brian Atlasmost men and most women didn't have any power didn't have any say. >> So this idea >> Yeah. No that's true like monarchy. Yeah >> right. There were kings and emperors and this sort of thing or the >> Yeah. Most of the time it was men that

Brian Atlaswere kings. >> Yeah. Sure. That's a very small apex of men that had any power. >> I know, but it was men, wasn't it? It wasn't women, >> right? But that's an apex fallacy. So just because like I would say that has >> Yeah, but you're talking about everyone else didn't have power. So then the

Ava (Sushi)people that did have power >> power. Queens came into power. So it wasn't just men. >> Okay. >> Are you denying that queens had power? >> No, I think that this conversation has

Ava (Sushi)gone really far off of where we started and I just don't feel like I'm totally fine having the conversation. It's Yeah. No, I'm good having the conversation, too. Does anyone else want to input anything, though? Uh, let's have a new topic.

Ava (Sushi)>> No, I'm just >> No, we can talk about it. I'm totally fine with it. >> I don't want to talk about it. >> Is it Is it >> No, I just feel like we're I'm trying to give it history lesson, right? >> I just don't feel like I just don't feel

Brian Atlaseducated enough to like be a part of this conversation accurately. So, I'm just spectating for now. >> And that takes a level It takes a level of intelligence to say, you know what, I just don't know about this. I don't want to weigh in. That's >> I don't know enough.

Kayla (Addiction)>> So, as far as equality goes, yes, women do have like they can do they can own houses. They can own credit financially. They used to not they used to not. So, we did come a long way. However, there

Kayla (Addiction)are still things that men um are given more privilege to as far as pay. The pay rate is actually a serious thing. Um the girl from Shameless actually quit the show because they were not paying her

Kayla (Addiction)the amount of money as the other guy. >> Yeah, that's okay. >> Um Oh. Albert, go ahead. Finish your thought. I'll >> respond. >> Um, presidency. We only have one vice woman president um after so many years

Kayla (Addiction)and she still didn't win because she is a woman. Um, and a lot of other reasons. Um, women just >> Wait, wait, hold on. Let's do one one thing at a time. >> Go ahead and help yourself out. >> I cuz I I'm going to have difficulty keeping up if we're just shotgunning all

Ava (Sushi)these things, right? >> Uh, okay. So, um, >> I don't think she didn't win cuz she was a woman, but I part of But there's Yeah. I mean, there's a reason we've never had a woman president. >> Had nothing to do because people don't

Brian Atlas>> had nothing to do with the fact that she was she was a woman. Um, >> part of the reason it was one of the reason it wasn't all of it, but I think she would have gotten more question that was a man. >> Would you if if you could choose, not

Brian Atlasknowing their specific politics between voting for a woman or a man, who would you vote for? >> A man. >> A man. >> Oh, >> absolutely. I don't I think >> Who would you pick? The man or the

Brian Atlaswoman? I think well first of all if just solely based on their sex >> yeah assume it's like your political affiliation your political alignment but they're just mostly the same one's a man

Kayla (Addiction)one's a woman >> mostly the same woman just because just because men have been ruined all this time and it still has not been any different if I feel like it would probably be different if a woman did run and did run the country

Kayla (Addiction)>> how would it be different >> well first of of all when far as dare say women can't be president it's because they're emotional too emotional you think of the fact that the guy in office right now is a little too emotional um guys are also emotional

Kayla (Addiction)creatures as far as reacting on their anger impulses >> and setting things like you know overturning Roie Wade and all that other stuff um why are they you know they're acting on >> you realize there are multiple female justices on the

Kayla (Addiction)>> I agree absolutely I'm not I'm not sitting there and saying that there aren't women who offer >> you know he didn't overturn it Right. That's not his decision. >> I'm just saying like wanting to do that. >> Um >> when did didn't that did that happen? During the Biden administ When did that

Kayla (Addiction)happen? I forgot. >> During Trump first term. >> It wasn't during his um his second term though. >> When was that? >> Was it? I thought it happened. >> I'm just saying dude like honestly we

Kayla (Addiction)there's the queen of England has been ruling England for such a long time. >> Queen of England is dead. There's a king now. >> Well, okay. Well, she's ruled for a long time outside of being dead, obviously. I mean, >> yeah, she did rule for a long time. >> She did rule for a long time. What's

Kayla (Addiction)your point? >> My point is that that's prime example that women can run a country. There's also women in South America. >> Hold on. the UK, the country which lost all its

Brian Atlaster that lost its entire empire, lost its its territory and then has like rampant crime issues in all of its major cities and has imported >> Well, that's because the king or queen

Brian Atlasof the country and the it doesn't actually they don't at least like the queen does not rule the country. >> You do make a good point in the UK the the it's primarily a ceremonial position. they don't really have much

Brian Atlassay or power as it relates to the politics of the country. Although she probably had a bit more say a little bit like earlier in her reign,

Kayla (Addiction)but the monarchy's like over time gradually lost power. So, >> right. >> Okay. Here, let's just jump to the wage gap then because you also mentioned that. Yeah, there's no wage gap. >> I agree with that, too. >> Well, how come there are CEOs who get

Kayla (Addiction)paid more than women CEOs? And it's a factual thing. I mean, you can Google this. Mhm. >> Um that men men do get paid more in certain in certain um fields that women

Kayla (Addiction)also are in. >> Well, who who brought up uh the actor from who was >> I did she >> Oh, you did. >> Emma Emma Rollson. She actually did quit Shameless because they were not paying her the money. Same with the Scream, the

Brian Atlaslady who played Scream. >> Can Can I ask you a question? Um do you think the extra on the set of a Brad Pitt movie should be paid the same as Brad Pitt? an extra that's different than a main character.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. How about Sure. Should the Should a brand new actor who's also a main Hold on. Just >> Okay, go ahead. >> You can give your specifics after >> brand new main character co-starring

Kayla (Addiction)with Brad Pitt. >> Do you think that person should be paid the same as Brad Pitt? >> No. >> Why? >> Because she's an upcoming actress. It would be like somebody with uh years of experience should not be getting paid

Kayla (Addiction)the same amount of money as someone who's just came into the field. >> Now that we have that established, give me the specifics of this female actress in your show. >> So, Emma Rosen is a very known well actress. She played in numerous things. I don't even know the guy who played

Kayla (Addiction)Frank. I don't know his name. Um, >> is he the main guy, the older guy? >> He's the father. Yes. >> I've seen like one episode of the show. What's it called again? Shameless. Shameless. >> I love that show. Emma Rosen plays the Fiona, the bigger sister. Um, however,

Kayla (Addiction)>> character. Wait, hold on. >> Shameless. Yes. >> What's his name? >> I don't know the guy who plays Frank. That's >> William H. Macy. Is that >> Yeah. Apparently, he's a really big actor. I I mean, I don't only know him in >> Okay. He's 75. And then Emma Rossom. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Who's 38? >> Yes. >> Okay. And this show's been going on for a long time. >> A long time. And she wasn't in the last, I think, season or two. I >> Wait, so hold on. You're comparing a guy who's been in Hollywood for like decades

Kayla (Addiction)>> and you're surprised that because of his seniority he's being paid more for >> No, not necessarily. She She also is well known in a lot of other movies. >> She doesn't have >> And she removed her clothes on TV. Um >> so >> yeah.

Brian Atlas>> So well >> so >> they typically pay you more money. >> They're supposed to pay you more money. Like I'm not about >> Yeah. Not more money than like the guy who's been in Hollywood for decades upon decades. >> What I'm Okay. Well, >> wait. Hold on. When how long has this show been going on?

Brian Atlas>> Like 12 13 years. Okay. Okay. >> Wait. Okay. It started 2011. >> It ended in >> So she she's 38.

Brian AtlasSo she would have been like 22 23 24. >> I'm sorry. That's really young and that's very young in Hollywood. Um it's not surprising to me that the main

Kayla (Addiction)character of the series was paid more than his super much younger female co-star. were all like she was she was also a main character is what I'm saying and she's not like an upcoming new

Sativaactress. >> He's trying to make the point that she's still not as experienced. >> She's not as senior as he is. >> Yeah. I don't even like it's like seniority. Of course you're going to get paid more if you have more qualifications, more experience. All those things are going to equate to more

Brian Atlaspay. And >> he has William Macy has two twotime Emmy awards, four time Screen Actors Guild Award. I don't know if this is from before. >> I think this is not a great example. Okay, I'll give you another example. Okay, the girls

Lexi (Escort)>> Let's use Let's do the WNBA. We have a women's basketball. >> I feel like the WNBA we're getting paid based off views and tickets. So, like the men basketball like they're getting paid based off of views. >> Wait, hold on. We'll come right back to this. I need to let a couple chats come

Brian Atlasthrough. Sorry for the delay on these guys. >> I was so interested in talking about Shameless that I I lost track. Right now, >> Hasty George donated $200.

SPEAKER_00>> A feminist is a person who dislikes or hates the male gender and seeks control of men under the guise of equality. They seek the overthrow of the patriarchy. All waves of feminism have a cult origins.

Bella (BB)>> Excuse me. >> Wow. >> Anybody disagree with Pasty George there? She disagrees. Why is that? Really quick. I think that's a little I think that's a little aggressive as well.

Brian Atlas>> But you did say that >> he's Canadian, so just blame it for him being Canadian. >> Uh we have Brit. Looks like Britt bought a uh a hoodie from our merch store. Thank you guys. That's coming in right

Brian Atlasnow. You don't need to pull it up. It's fine. Uh Brit, thank for that. All these Twitches are coming through. Uh, then we have another one from pasty here and then we'll get

Brian AtlasSo, thank you, man. Brit, thank you for the t-shirt purchase. Appreciate it. Thank you. Or sorry, not t-shirt. You got a hoodie. Thank you. Appreciate it. And then we have Pasty again.

SPEAKER_00>> Pasty George donated $200. The Queen of England made many poor decisions during her reign. And she was responsible along with the Vatican and particular churches for the residential

Kayla (Addiction)school era and other atrocities as well. >> Oh, are you talking about what was going on in Canada? >> Well, a pope is a male in the Vatican, so I don't really know the point of that one, but >> um Okay. >> A pope is a male. So,

Brian Atlas>> sure. >> Um >> wait, when were we talking about the pope? Well, here we have a chat for >> No, I think I think they're talking about >> how stupid to still believe in the pay gap. Do some re research, not just Tik

Brian AtlasTok. If you own a business and can pay equally qualified women less, you would only hire women. All men would be fired. >> Yeah. I I heard I a good argument. >> Yeah. And I watch Candace Owens a lot

Sativaand she made like such a great point that just a lot of the jobs that men do are just naturally higher paying too, especially because they're a little bit more dangerous, a little bit more intense like firefighters. I get that. >> We're not talking about job per job.

Brian AtlasWe're talking about I know but that's why the average but that's why the average is different based on >> Yeah, we're not talking about >> it should be based on that is the wage gap. So what the the >> Oh, I don't mean the average wage gap.

Brian Atlas>> No, but the wage gap is they say women earn 79 cents to the dollar a man makes. That stat that they were always whatever it's 83 cents. I apologize for the Yeah, >> the the wage gap there is what they're

Brian Atlasdoing is they're comparing all the money that men make, all the women that money make, just doing a like forlike comparison. It's completely uh anybody who does statistics knows this is like

Brian Atlasactually like [ __ ] You can't you can't do an analysis like that and say sexism. You have to start controlling for okay, do men work more than women?

Brian AtlasDo men work different jobs than women? Are men more likely to relocate? Are men more likely to uh work dangerous jobs? Are men more likely to work uh overtime? All these sorts of different things?

Brian AtlasWhat kind of fields do men go in? What kind of things do men study? These sorts of things start to factor in. And you if

Brian Atlasyou do the uh the controlled wage gap, it shrinks to 1 cent. 1 cent accounted account for all these variables. Women earn 1 cent less than men.

Sativa>> Yep. Well, that's great. >> Yeah. I mean, even think about um in the military like when men do more of like um I don't know why I can't think like uh when they're like the ones who shoot. I can't think of the uh infantry. Yeah,

Kayla (Addiction)infantry. They have higher pay because it's a more dangerous and hostile job. >> And I get it should be that way. And I was talking about more so like the pay payment in the same career field. Sure.

Brian AtlasBut even e so first off back in the 60s a law was passed if you're a woman and you can prove that your co-worker is being paid more because they're a man. Uh you can file a lawsuit and make a

Brian Atlasbunch of money. So there's a law protecting women for that. In addition, we really just don't see it. We don't see it. Also to his point, the person who sent

Brian Atlasin the TTS if it was the case that you could genuinely and corporations don't there's not like this idea in a corporation where oh uh we're just going

Brian Atlasto be really sexist for the sake of sexism and we're just going to ignore the fact if women are just as good as men, they work just as hard. Let's just go ahead and just keep hiring men and it's going to cost our company more.

Brian AtlasWe're going to be less competitive in the capitalist system. We live in a capitalist system. If you could get away with hiring women and saving 70% on your payroll,

Sativacorporations, trust me, would not hire men. They would only hire women. It's just not true. >> Yep. I mean, even even with tattooing, like when I first started tattooing, I was it was like $30 a tattoo, you know,

Sativajust to do flashes and stuff. But now, like on average, I probably have 500 or more per client. but just as I've gained experience and stuff like that. And there's male tattoo artists who don't make as much as me and there's also some

Sativathat make more than me and vice versa. >> Even more in like corporate world where it's not really like controlled by like the per like you are. >> Yeah. But I mean still even in corporate world it's the same thing. It's the

Ava (Sushi)concept of experience qualifications like what like where your level is. >> That's how it should be. But it's not a lot. Like my mom was in a lawsuit like 4 years ago because of her. It's kind of

Sativalike you was in charge of everything. >> It's like the concept of not all. I mean, there's always going to be like one or two instanc. And she won

Ava (Sushi)under $20,000 and she was making over 400,000 a year. So, it didn't exactly go in her favor, but that's >> So, well, she did get a payment, but it >> it was under $20,000. There was also sexual insult involved in the lawsuit as

Brian Atlaswell. >> Oh, okay. Hold on. Now you're smuggling in this other thing. I'm not smuggling in it. >> No, but if we're having a conversation about the wage gap, No, but when you bring a lawsuit and it's Well, these people were underpaid. >> Well, there was the lawsuit and then

Ava (Sushi)there was the >> Yeah, sexual harassment is different though. >> That's wrong. That's bad. >> In total, they they're separate things. Sorry, I was just throwing that. I'm saying that she didn't make a lot of money off of that. So, like your argument that like you can make a crazy

Ava (Sushi)amount of money if you get paid less, that's like not always true. Like even with the sexual assault, like you were saying that you can like if you file a lawsuit because of that law >> if you're getting paid less. >> No. If you can prove that there's sexual

Brian Atlasdiscrimination in your company and you are being discriminated against, paid less. >> And it doesn't always but it doesn't always go. >> Well, I I actually don't think I made a claim. Did I make a claim about how much money you can make? >> You said you can make a lot of

Brian Atlas>> I suppose it depends. >> Yeah, you can bring a lawsuit. You can bring a lawsuit. Uh we have a chat. Actually, I'm going to wait on that chat. Um, I I do wonder though, why does

Sativasociety care more about a female wage gap and not a male death gap? That's a, you know, it's actually crazy that you said that cuz I saw this one video on Tik Tok where it was for men's

Sativamental health awareness and it was like this girl like it was like the sound of a screaming noise and it was like when they say a moment of silence for men who've like committed suicide and she's like like screaming and dancing and like

Brian AtlasI I >> it's just crazy. Again, you bring that up that >> I have to move off the wage gap stuff. Uh, really quick though, the basketball player, there was recently this controversy, the WNBA, all these female players. So, basically NBA players, top

Brian AtlasNBA players make a lot of money. A lot of money. Uh, WNBA players, they make like 100,000 a year. Don't make a lot of money. Uh, they were like, "Hey, we want to make more. We want to be paid the same as the NBA players." What do you

Solothink? >> They need it. >> Into the mic, please. [Music] >> Just scoot your chair and it might help. I can't. There's no room. >> Oh, okay. That's fine then.

Solo>> Um I feel like now for the I honestly I watch college basketball more than WMA and NBA. >> Here, I'll just go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Solo>> I think now it's different because I think everyone can agree that the WNBA got better or like people started watching it more when Angel Reese and Paige Beckers came in. And I think

Brian Atlaseveryone can agree on that. >> Okay, sure. I'll go ahead and agree that the WNBA has gotten better than it used to be. >> But the NBA very different than the WNBA and I

Brian Atlas>> So the question is though, should WNBA players be paid the same as NBA players? >> No. If they want to be paid more, they need to >> Does anybody here think that? Do you do

Kayla (Addiction)you think that you mentioned the wage? >> I mean, no. Like if it's like the supply and demand, you know what I mean? Like >> do you think that should the NBA WNBA players be paid the same? Don't they get paid based >> about this?

Kayla (Addiction)>> I'm on the increase views. >> I'm on the fence. I would say um >> it's a lot like minor league baseball players and major league baseball players. I mean the more not many people watch WN I don't think I've ever watched

Kayla (Addiction)WNB. So I don't even know any of the professional players. So I would say it really depends on the player. Like I think that's NBA the same thing. Um, I don't think that I think that a a good

Kayla (Addiction)fantastic WNB player just as good as a good NBA player should be paid the same. >> But it just depends on how much you watch though. >> It's literally I don't think you understand the difference of physicality between men.

Brian Atlas>> No, I understand. I do. >> The best WNBA female player, well, WNBA will get absolutely scorched by like a

Brian Atlastop top level high school boys. I was just about to say that too. And this isn't just the case in basketball. It's the case. >> Can you play Can you play basketball? >> Why would that matter? >> I'm just asking. >> I'm literally just asking you.

Solo>> Wait. No. Yeah. A >> Do you think a Wait, like a average high school boy could beat Paige Beckers. He said top. >> I'm saying like a top high school boy will smoke a WNBA player. >> That's 100% absolutely not.

Ava (Sushi)>> Whoa. So >> a top high school out of all the high schools or at like any like an average given high school >> honestly for I mean

Solo>> like is he really tall? >> Like is he like really tall? >> I mean I can >> honestly I can >> look. Go ahead. Own it. Own it.

Solo>> I play basketball >> because I'm thinking I don't know if it Oh. Brandon Tyron Stokes or Brandon McCoy. Tyra Stokes is a large He's a He's a man. He's a very large man.

Solo>> Yeah. >> Obviously, a man who is that big and that much stronger than a woman, they would obviously clearly be a woman. >> We we So, I appreciate you saying that.

Brian Atlas>> Thank you. >> We see this happen in almost all sports. Like the for example, the women's national soccer team and this happens in multiple countries. They will play against like the under5 boys division

Brian Atlasand get [ __ ] scorched. These are professional women. They're at the top of their Olympics. They're the women's world cup. They they are the national teams. And I I I don't know why. Do you

Brian AtlasWhy are you looking like that? You You look upset. I know. You seem upset. You seem upset that I'm just literally I honestly couldn't tell you what the last two sentences that you said. >> Yeah, you're zoning out. You don't want to hear the fact I'm >> No, I'm just Just give me a second. I'm

Brian Atlaswaking up. >> Women are better at Hold on. Women are better at some things than men. I I can say that. >> Yeah, that's the same thing we sort of said earlier that like biologically women are just not like >> Yeah. When it comes to sports, you can

Ava (Sushi)take like an amateur male athlete and he'll scorch a woman who's a >> that's why we have the whole transgenders in sports thing. That's the thing. There's a reason. >> You against that or >> I honestly keep my face out of that

Kayla (Addiction)issue and I I'm not transgender and I don't have transgender feelings. >> Totally against it. I don't have a transgender family. I don't watch sports. So, I don't care. >> I'll take a strong position. I don't think transgender people should be competing with women.

Solo>> Hell no. I don't Okay. I don't think so either. I don't think >> W solo. >> Do you play any sports solo? >> Yeah. I played water polo and I swam for 11 years. >> Wasn't there?

Brian Atlas>> Oh, yeah. The Leah Thomas. Leah Thomas. and she was beating the women and some women didn't get to get medals or get to go off to >> I think that is literally the most

Brian Atlasstupid thing anyone has ever thought was >> W solo guys W's in the chat for based solo over there based solo >> and I do have transgender family members

Kayla (Addiction)and I completely I agree with it >> well even some transgender pe a lot of transgender people say >> are against it you should have your own division >> you don't see no transgender male competing in women I males. I mean, if

Kayla (Addiction)they're not care, >> you know what I mean? Whatever. Trans, whatever. And I love you guys. I'm sorry if those that are watching are my friends are trans. >> Okay, they they don't care. >> They do. >> One of the girls at my like one of the

Solohigh schools I transferred from, she recently just won state for triple jump. And the runner up or like they tied for first place was a transgendered female.

Brian AtlasSo she technically won, but the person who like >> they they tied for first or >> they they just gave them they both >> gave them first. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Not as good as being the only person who's first, you know, they still screwed her over and she could have very closely lost that, you know. Go ahead. >> Me and my sister had actually like a really long conversation about this topic because she's an excellent runner.

Bella (BB)Always has been heavily involved in track all throughout school. Mhm. >> And um I think it's completely unfair because like let's say a a a woman from birth and

Bella (BB)then a transgender woman both endure the same training >> Mhm. >> all the way through. >> The transgender person will always win because they're taller >> and can have more muscle. And

Bella (BB)>> that is no discrimination towards transgender people at all. I'm all for everyone do whatever the hell you want and be that happy person. It's not fair. You just want things to be fair. >> Yeah. Cuz honestly, I played softball

Sativaand I played a little bit of college softball and I'm not going to lie, I would be terrified if like a 510 transgender was up to bat and I played third base. I'm not going to lie, I'd be scared. >> I would be mad if I lost.

Bella (BB)>> I'd be first place to a biological male. I would be pissed. >> Pissed. >> I would be really pissed. >> Pissed. >> Yes. >> All right. Well, um, look, ultimately, >> it's such a hard topic though because then it's like, okay,

Bella (BB)>> it's not that hard. It was not that hard. So no matter what transgender women who want to play sports where who are they should have their own team. >> Yeah. Either have their >> own

Lexi (Escort)compet. Yeah. Their own team or still be in like play with males. >> And I feel like it would be unfair for the trans people not to understand where we as women are coming from because it's like it's not fair for us to compete in that same room when it's like you

Brian Atlasclearly have an advantage. >> Isn't water polo like really physical? Like you don't want like people like >> I wouldn't want a man touching me under there. I played with the guys. They're gross. >> I played hockey. I would [ __ ] my pants at like a 6'2. >> That's what I'm saying.

Sativa>> Hers coming at me >> again. Getting a line drive by a man right at their base. That's real close. >> Real close. >> You ever seen South Park? >> Well, cuz I feel like for sports, it's

Solonot even about like gender or what you identify as, whatever the hell it's about. It's about what you were born as and what you are. What you're capable of doing. >> Got past George. >> George donated $200. Thank you, man.

SPEAKER_00Appreciate it. >> When the WNBA wasn't doing so well, it started to blame men for its low ratings and low ticket sales. My question is, where were all the women and feminists?

Brian AtlasWhy were they not supporting it? >> Women have different interests. I feel like women aren't generally speaking as into sports as men are. It's okay. Women just have >> That goes into what you said earlier, like watching sports.

Sativa>> They pick and choose. feminist pick and choose what benefit like what is actually >> also the WNBA loses money. >> It's it's been a Nick Nick was a NBA draft but he he hurt his knee.

Brian Atlas>> No, >> he's a tall I'm serious. Nick tall guy. >> I don't like >> handsome guy. Very handsome. Very handsome. Looking very sharp in his little blue light. >> What do you mean by that?

Brian Atlas>> What What do they blue light blocking glasses there? Uh he he hurt his knee, man. And unfortunately now he works for the whatever podcast.

Brian Atlas[ __ ] man. That sucks, dude. Um anyways, >> so okay, uh we're going to move off the wage gap stuff, I guess. >> Um we were Oh, speaking of transgender

Brian Atlasstuff, though, I guess we could relate it to dating. Uh do you guys think that uh do you think it's straight >> is gay? It's gay as hell. Like

Brian Atlas>> I would never gay >> personally. It's my preference. >> Straight if I was. >> So guys, Solo's pretty based. I got to say she's pretty based, you know. Played water polo, you know.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, it's pretty cool. >> Yeah, she's pretty based. >> Okay, good talk. Um, >> good talk. >> Anybody, you know, >> I don't think it's you you do or don't. >> I don't. >> You don't.

Bella (BB)>> I mean, like if Oh, this is such a sensitive topic. If um if a if a man transitioned to a

Bella (BB)woman or a transgender woman >> like still had like everything of a man and then was with the opposite sex and they were like doing things together. I

Brian Atlasguess it's confusing. >> Yeah. But I mean a fake JJ isn't a JJ. So >> it's not [ __ ] >> Yeah. Not the same matter. >> I'm going to opt out. I think I don't think

Brian Atlas>> it's not vagina. It's okay. You don't I think uh look, even if you get the bottom surgery or whatever, nah. >> It doesn't make you >> That's still a That's still a male.

SoloThat's still a male. >> Still pretty gay. >> I think to each their own, but personally, I don't think I could. >> She couldn't do it. Solo over there. Can't do it. >> Well, yeah, but that just goes down to

Brian Atlaspreferences again. >> Yeah. I guess ultimately, look, even granting that you can change your gender, you can't change your sex. So, if we're talking about heterosexuality,

Brian Atlashomosexuality, uh, gay, straight, this is short form slang for either homosexuality, heterosexuality, you can't change your

Brian Atlassex. You can put on a wig, get fake titties, even chop your dick off, get the fake vagina, whatever. You're still a ma. You're still male. You're still a male. Your gender

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