She Is Dating 15 Men?! 100+ Body Counts?! Brian LOSES It (GETS TILTED)?! E-GIRLS! | Dating Talk #179

Date: 2024-07-17
Duration: 7h 29m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_03Mel(guest)
SPEAKER_04Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)(guest)
SPEAKER_06Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Paula(guest)
SPEAKER_09Alex(guest)
SPEAKER_13Lele(guest)

Key Moments

00:12:12
QuoteAmber discloses she is currently dating 10-15 men simultaneously; confirms seeing 3 different men in past 3 days

"uh how many would you say you're currently dating uh involved with 101 15 I don't know something like around that"

00:15:03
QuoteAmber reveals half of her roster are "munches" — men who perform oral sex on her without intercourse

"well half them are munches so I don't know what to count... it means that they just go down on her and they don't actually have [sex]"

00:16:54
QuoteLele self-describes as "a good friend with a fat ass that looks good from behind"

"I'm a good friend with a fat ass that looks good from behind so funny"

01:19:08
QuoteLele discloses body count of 100-150, counting all genders as pansexual

"my body counts probably somewhere from like 100 to 150... I still ended up in a committed happy healthy relationship and my partner is aware of my body count and has never made me feel less than"

01:26:08
QuotePaula reveals she was a sex addict with body count over 50, after first husband left when she had 4 kids

"it's over 50 okay... this was pre-show you provided this in the pre-show kind of my mea culpa anyways to kind of stop being ashamed of what I did... I went through a series of addictions basically trying to figure it out"

02:07:08
ControversyBrian reads woman's notes app — entry about spitting partner's cum into his mouth after he refused to kiss post-oral; Brian calls it sexual assault

"I actually think that's sexual assault that's crazy... because it's boundaries... he had a boundary of being uncomfortable kissing after that"

02:42:20
QuoteAlex reveals she cuddled wild bears as a child in Russia

"when I was a kid... I was in the woods and... we have bears in my Village... I would give them berries and they would be like really cute and like just like very cuddly"

02:48:13
QuoteAlex says she would choose death by bear over any other scenario — "only bear only bear"

"I want to have a pet bear one day... I don't care if it kills me I'd love to just hug a bear and if it kills me it kills me... only bear only bear only bear"

03:14:50
ControversyAndrew Wilson joins call-in and immediately begins attempting to get Grace to answer the self-rating question

"my name's Andrew by the way... so to the gal in the red dress... so if you were to say that um you had 1,000 people who were holding up those little signs and you were in the beauty pageant what do you think most of the signs would say"

03:22:20
ControversyBrian refuses to move on until Grace gives a self-rating — standoff lasts 10+ minutes; Grace gives non-answers ("zero", "nine", "everyone is a 10")

"we're not moving on until you answer the question... I am inclined to do so... you're not going to ask a question we're going to sit here in silence until she answers the question"

03:59:25
QuoteAndrew challenges Margarita: argues her 53yo partner values her physical attractiveness more than her intellect

"I'm guessing that he really values you for your intellect huh... or does he perhaps value you more because he thinks you're young and hot"

05:04:50
QuoteLele reveals ex-boyfriend secretly recorded women's feet in bathroom stalls and filmed her mother's cleavage

"I found like a bunch of videos like videos of him like recording my mother like zooming in on her like cleavage... and then I found videos of him in women's bathroom stalls trying to record their feet underneath"

06:14:00
ControversyAlex refuses to define what a woman is — "everything is a spectrum" — Brian says "I can already tell that I don't like you"

"honestly I cannot give you an okay you know what yes I will... personally on gender I cannot give you a defining answer on anything because I think everything is a spectrum... I can already tell that I don't like you"

Topics Discussed

00:00:16
Introductions & Show Announcements

Brian introduces show, plugs streamlabs/twitch/merch. Guests introduce one by one: Amber (22, Studio City, social media/OnlyFans, pansexual), Mateline (22, Denver/Studio City, tattoo artist), Alex (26, Santa Barbara/Russia, artist, age-gap relationship), Lele (22, Ohio/LA, OnlyFans), Grace (19, Sacramento, UCSB math student), Paula (53, Dallas TX, chef/mom of 4), Mel (19, Sydney Australia, law student), Margarita (34, LA, rock band vocalist/author). Andrew Wilson announced as call-in guest expected around 8:00 p.m. Pacific.

00:09:11
Amber's Roster: Dating 10-15 Men Simultaneously

Brian interrogates Amber about her dating habits: currently sees 10-15 men, saw 3 different men in the last 3 days, has seen 3 in one day. Half her roster are "munches" (only oral sex). All partners know she sees other men. Pansexual but currently only dating men. Brian blames the men for tolerating it, calls them "Sims." Paula argues most good men wouldn't tolerate it. Discussion of whether Amber's honesty makes it acceptable. Title reference: "She Is Dating 15 Men?!"

00:09:11
Relationship Status Round

Full relationship status round. Amber: single, 10-15 men roster. Mateline: new boyfriend 2.5 months, monogamous. Alex: age-gap relationship (26F / 53M, ~1 year). Lele: boyfriend 7 months. Grace: single 2 months, longest relationship 5 months. Paula: married (husband doesn't know her full past). Mel: single 6 months, only one 3-year relationship (ended over religious differences). Margarita: engaged ~2 years (returning guest, same engagement as before). Discussion of parents' relationships — most guests come from divorced families.

01:21:00
Body Count Round & Debate

Brian goes around the table for body counts. Lele: 100-150 (pansexual, counts all genders). Amber: ~100 (per TTS donor estimation). Mateline: less than 5. Alex: less than 5. Grace: less than 5. Mel: less than 5. Paula: over 50 (was sex addict after first husband left). Margarita: not stated. Extended debate about whether body count matters to men, whether men are hypocritical for caring, Lele argues double standard (men get praised for same behavior), Paula's journey from sex addiction to high-value woman. Brian argues body count correlates with pair bonding issues.

01:24:51
Hinge Dating App Discussion

Brian shows clip of woman complaining about Hinge's 8-match limit. Panel discusses: Mateline says she gets 20-30 matches daily, doesn't message first. Brian asks if anyone has used apps just out of boredom without real intent. Mateline admits to "hinging it out." Discussion of moving off Hinge to Snapchat to verify non-catfish. Andrew Wilson joins (call-in) around end of this section.

01:33:00
Airport Abuse Video React

React to viral video of woman screaming at man in airport. Discussion of why bystanders didn't intervene (gender reversal of norm). Some guests argue men have choice to leave abusive situations; others note beaten wife syndrome applies to men too. SPEAKER_06 (Brian) questions whether women's initial response (blaming man for staying) reflects a double standard. TTS donation asks if guests' husbands would have stayed knowing their body count.

01:45:00
Physical Attractiveness Standards & Facial Structure

Brian argues that women have a wider range of what can be deemed physically attractive vs men (facial structure, body type). Discussion of whether dad bods are genuinely attractive vs cope. Women argue men can glow-up through gym more effectively than women. Brian counters that the aspirational female body type (slim) is more easily achievable than the aspirational male body type (Hugh Jackman/Thor physique). Discussion of short men vs tall women, height preferences, D1 babies. Paula on wearing heels for professional respect in sales.

01:51:50
Relationship Dynamics & Women with Beautiful Faces Dating Mid Men

Brian asks if anyone has seen attractive women with mid men — unanimous yes. Discussion of why this happens: women rate personality above looks more than men do; men decide within 5 minutes which category a woman falls into. Brian argues women have wider "attractive range" — both sharp and soft jawlines can be attractive in women. Lele notes body can compensate for face in women's attractiveness. Discussion of societal beauty standards across cultures and history.

02:22:00
Kiss List / Notes App React

Brian reads from a woman's "notes app kiss list" that a guest submitted. Notable entries: took a man's virginity (he said "that's it? I've done that" afterward), skunky weed causing whiskey dick followed by tip-slapping, woman who spat partner's cum into his mouth after he refused to kiss after oral sex. Brian calls the last incident sexual assault ("that's actually sexual assault — he had a boundary"). Extended discussion about consent, boundaries, and whether retaliating with force would be justified.

02:42:20
Man vs Bear in the Woods

Classic "would you rather encounter a random man or random bear in the woods" question. Results: Amber — initially bear, then uncertain. Mateline — initially bear (thought man was malicious), changed to man when Brian clarified random/neutral scenario. Alex — bear unconditionally (loves bears, cuddled them in Russia, would die by bear only). Lele — bear. Paula — man. Mel — man. Margarita — unclear/uncertain. Brian rephrases multiple times. Alex's extreme bear preference leads to extended segment: Brian asks about 10-minute room scenario; she still picks bear. Brian attempts to arrange bear cage segment on stream. Discussion of legality of bear cage consent waivers.

03:14:50
Self-Ratings & Female Narcissism Debate

Brian asks guests to rate themselves 1-10. Andrew Wilson joins at ~3:14:50. Grace refuses to give any number for 10+ minutes — says "zero" and "nine" both sarcastically, then "everyone is a 10." Brian and Andrew try different framings (beauty pageant crowd of 1000, own Gaze standard). Others had already given: Margarita (34, implied self-aware). Grace eventually not given a clear rating. Brian and Andrew debate whether refusing to rate is narcissism or insecurity. Discussion of whether women in general have inflated self-assessments. Lele defends Grace — says she's clearly not a narcissist from context.

03:45:00
Women Peak Looks Age & Magic Wand Question

Brian asks each guest: will you be better looking in 10 years? Alex argues she will peak in her 40s (cites grandmother's genes); Andrew challenges her by asking why she doesn't use makeup to look older if she believes that. Brian uses a magic wand scenario: advance appearance 20 years with no health impact — would you do it? Alex would advance to look like her 40s; wouldn't advance to 60 because skin would sag. Andrew points out she admitted 40s is the peak, then later the skin sags, which is internally consistent with the standard view. Long debate about whether beauty standards are universal or culturally relative.

03:58:40
Age Gap Relationships & Do Men Value Intellect in Women

Extended debate about Margarita's age-gap relationship with her 53yo partner. Andrew Wilson challenges that the man values her physical attractiveness primarily, not her intellect. Margarita defends intellectual conversations (metaphysics, quantum, consciousness, psychology, world perception). Andrew pushes back on her definition of metaphysics. Brian mediates. Discussion of men's relative valuation of female intellect vs youth/appearance vs "baggage." Andrew argues men select for youth and low baggage above intellect. Margarita argues he could choose younger women if that were the only driver.

04:42:20
Pearl Discussion (Prior Episode)

Lele mentions that she appeared in a prior all-women episode that also featured Pearl (a controversial figure). At the time she didn't know who Pearl was. After seeing Pearl's clips on TikTok afterward, Lele strongly disagreed with Pearl's views — specifically: Pearl said racism was "embellished" and that women shouldn't vote. Lele declines to dig further because Pearl isn't present to defend herself.

04:43:40
Marriage Without Religion Debate

Paula argues marriage is a spiritual covenant for men without religious grounding — asks why non-religious men should marry given divorce rates. Lele argues marriage can signal commitment beyond religion (ceremony, ring, family presence). Brian sides with Paula's skeptical position. Discussion of divorce risk, financial exposure for men, and whether marriage is essentially just marrying the state. Andrew Wilson agrees marriage for secular men is difficult to justify rationally.

05:04:50
Lele's Ex Boyfriend Voyeur Story

Lele reveals that a prior boyfriend was secretly recording women: zoomed in on her mother's cleavage, filmed her friend at the pool, and had videos of women's feet from underneath bathroom stalls. She found these on his phone while he was gaming and immediately exposed him publicly.

06:14:00
Feminism & Gender Definitions

Extended discussion of feminism — whether guests consider themselves feminists, what the word means to them. Alex cannot/will not define what a woman is ("everything is a spectrum"). Brian says he immediately dislikes her for that answer. Andrew and Brian debate whether modern feminism is "anti-men" in practice. Various guests give different positions. Discussion of pay gap, equal rights, women in the draft, gender-based medical research bias. Alex argues female doctors brought attention to the issue themselves. Andrew disputes this framing.

07:15:00
Final Questionnaire & Wrap-Up

Brian wraps with final discussion, thanks Andrew Wilson (who stays for full show despite joining late as call-in). Brian says it's been 3 hours without the show and thought the conversation was good. Twitch raid coordination with Andrew. Brief comments on Brian getting "tilted" during the episode (Grace's self-rating standoff). Brian references Madison and Morgan doing a Twitch exclusive stream. Show ends with goodbye round.

Transcript

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03:44:24
Lelean opinion based question and so if somebody prefers to look a certain way then you you you can say that they're wrong because you have a different opinion all day long until you're blue
03:44:36
Lelein the face but her opinion is not going to change on it so it's like I I love a debate and I love like disagreeing opinions but her opinions not changed I don't think it's going to change so it's like what's the point in talking in
03:44:48
Andrew Wilsoncircles about it I I don't understand you know what I mean age because reality I'm actually happy to engage with what you just said so let's start here you do agree with me that people can have all sorts of different opinions but they're
03:45:00
Andrew Wilsonnot necessarily going to be honest with you about what their actual opinion is right not necessarily they could be honest with you but they also could lie about their opinion right 100% I'm asking her hang on let her
03:45:12
Leleanswer oh sorry um I do agree that you can have different opinions and that each person might not be honest about their opinion or forthcoming about it but in a so hang on so hang on so you
03:45:24
Andrew Wilsoncan do you can do through a series of inquiries by testing what it is that they are claiming uh whether or not if we map it on to reality if they would hold that same opinion or if they would
03:45:37
Andrew Wilsonchange that opinion so it's possible that people are not always going to be forthcoming or honest about their opinion and so when you say well it's just an opinion that doesn't really mean anything there's a good possibility that people if they don't like the
03:45:49
Leleramifications of where a question is going with their opinion may not answer it honestly but you're asking for an opinion but why okay but when she is saying something that's completely
03:46:00
Leledifferent from everyone else at the table why would she put herself in a in the wrong a theoretical wrong point of view if it's not going to do her any good she could have easily lied and gone
03:46:13
Andrew Wilsonwith the same opinion that everyone El else wants her to say us let us test see if what you're saying if what you're saying makes sense or if what I'm saying makes sense let us assume for a second you were the only woman in that room who believed in Santa Claus I'm assuming you
03:46:26
Andrew Wilsondon't believe that Santa Claus exists correct are you talking to me or her no no yeah you don't believe but let us assume for a second you did believe that Santa Claus existed and none of the other women there did and you said it's just my opinion and so then I pulled up
03:46:39
Andrew Wilsona bunch of maps and I showed you that in the north hang on stop that in the North Pole there is is no elves and there is no Santa and all the satellite imaging we have would show that if such a thing existed everybody you would you would
03:46:51
Andrew Wilsonliterally be eliminated because of the extreme cold and that it then I mathematically demonstrated for you that it would be impossible for one man to deliver toys all over the Earth in the middle of the night and that magic isn't real see what that hang on could that
03:47:03
Lelechange your opinion see what you're asking is an opinion B is not an opinion based question like what Brian asked about would you feel like you look better in 10 years time 20 years time
03:47:14
LeleEtc that is an opinion based question I can have the opinion that think Santa Claus down your that's op stop because I stop for you when you tell me to stop so I'm going to tell you to stop now cuz
03:47:24
LeleI'm not done talking okay so when when I have an opinion you go girl you show me that Sassy you tell I'm not trying to be sass I'm not trying to be sassy go I'm
03:47:37
Lelenot trying get in there you're so good see I'm not trying to be sassy in no way am I trying to be rude to you and any way I'm not laughing at your opin opion I'm not trying to like be sassy in any sense way or form I'm literally just
03:47:49
Leletalking to you and you're telling me stop in the middle of my conversation so yes I'm going to do the me finish my thought now you dered my train of thought okay yeah but it was
03:48:01
Lelemy turn to speak that's why I asked you to stop yeah and it was my turn to speak and you started so that's why I said stop and then you called me sassy but I didn't call you name I didn't call you sassy you just made that up see okay I
03:48:12
Lelethink you just like to talk over women I remember seeing a clip of you calling a woman a [ __ ] on here too so don't even get me started I would like to was she being a stupid [ __ ] I don't care I would like to you don't care what is she with being a stupid
03:48:25
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] like are do you think that women are incapable of being stupid [ __ ] because man I got to tell you the number one insult I hear from women about other
03:48:33
Andrew Wilsonwomen is this word [ __ ] she's a [ __ ] that's the number one insult I hear can I ask you a question time can I ask you a question
03:48:45
Lelewell I'd like her to finish her exchange for ranch she she's welcome to no I'm good I'd rather not be talked over so it's fine it's fine you can just what all I was trying to say was that he
03:48:55
Leleasked an opinion-based question correct so it's an opinion what you said and your counterargument was do I believe in Santa Claus if I believed in s that's a fact that's a factual question Santa Claus does not exist so there's no
03:49:08
Lelethat's not the same type of question you're asking a factual question rather than an opinion based question and I and I want to apologize if I came off sassy by telling you to stop but I simply did
03:49:19
Andrew Wilsonthe exact same thing that you did to me you don't you think when when you're talking about an opinion when you're saying okay such and such opinion uh don't you think that an opinion that you
03:49:31
Lelehold is a fact to you this is factual to you there's a difference between a fact and an opinion oh really you can have an opinion about anything and not a
03:49:43
Lelepersonal opinion and you're ask a personal opinion based question whether you think you look better at so and so age and that is up to the person that that thinks whatever they want to think whether it's they look better younger
03:49:55
Leleolder whatever I'm not agreeing that I would look I don't think I would look better in 10 years 20 years but I'm not going to discredit her opinion and it's not the same as asking if Santa Claus
03:50:05
Andrew Wilsonexists so what if your opinion was that Santa Claus existed wouldn't that be a fact to you that's not a fact though in in reality s Claus do I'm not saying it's true I'm asking if
03:50:17
Leleit would be a fact it's a belie not an opinion he's saying that it's a fact that when you have more wrinkles you does anyone else understand the argument that I'm giving right
03:50:27
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)now am I coming off like a dumb [ __ ] am I he's trying to he's trying to argue with you that it's the same thing because to him it's a fact that when you have more wrinkles you're less
03:50:39
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)attractive when her thing she's saying it's a fact to her that having more wrinkles to you or not not more wrinkles both being more mature both are actually
03:50:50
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)not facts they're opinions yeah I know but we can argue that all day whether CL I want to ask you a question cuz I have genu genuine curiosity so when you ask
03:51:00
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)those questions and when you argue your point you have a certain um outlook on women in you know over that have certain
03:51:10
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)opinions right because um like to you what is this question mean like what are you trying to change perception of those women that you have an opinion of I'm
03:51:23
Andrew Wilsontrying to I so for me uh I don't really ask the ratings question much I just engage in it right so ultimately if you're asking my perspective I don't give a [ __ ] what
03:51:33
Andrew Wilsonany of you think but uh but because this is a show where we are supposed to engage with another person's opinion and what they think I still would actually like to understand the reasoning as how
03:51:44
Andrew Wilsonsomebody can come to such absurd conclusions about things that I clearly know that they don't believe I have issues hang on within a series of quick questions we can make a determination they clearly don't believe it the same
03:51:57
Andrew Wilsonway you can if somebody says oh I hold the opinion Santa Claus kisses mommy every year at Christmas you could say okay but I can demonstrate that you're holding a false belief even if it's your opinion that it's true even if it's an
03:52:09
Andrew Wilsonopinion hang on even if the opinion is factual to you it doesn't mean that it's true so saying something like oh I would rate myself uh at 40 to be more goodlook
03:52:19
Andrew Wilsonuh based on my genes uh than not that's my opinion and so therefore you can't refute it but you can actually refute these things if you give some other commonality that a person agrees to they start to question their opinion that's
03:52:31
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)the whole point of it I get it so I'm my question is you have a problem with someone who's trying to argue that to them at 40 they'll feel like you they will look better so you have a problem with someone that kind of doesn't go
03:52:44
Andrew Wilsonwith the reality that we only if it's inconsistent perhaps it could be possible it could be possible for instance that somebody could give a really good reasoned answer that is it's
03:52:56
Andrew Wilsonreasoned out well and it's argued well as to why they think that 45-year-old women are generally more attractive than 25-year old women for instance I would be willing to listen and engage in the
03:53:07
Andrew Wilsonargument and have my mind changed about it but that's not what happens what happens instead is aisc [ __ ] lies and everything in the world to try to
03:53:17
Andrew Wilsonavoid answering the thing which is obvious to everybody here I think tell you I'm going to tell you my opinion my opinion is it an opinion or belief this is my opinion it's just my opinion so
03:53:30
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)you have to hold it as being valid right because it's just my opinion all of the women in the room who said they were tens are lying that's my opinion there was only one um so one more question for
03:53:41
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)so without us talking in like huge generalities if someone was like extremely I don't know overweight or something in all through their 20s or 30s that you would perceive as
03:53:53
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)nonattractive and then they lose all the weight and then they get in shape and then they look great and you know to you obviously they're going to be more attractive so in that case you would
03:54:04
Andrew Wilsonagree right that sure so I would always make I never put anything in a monolith I would never say all anything so I would never for instance say that just because on average there are women uh who or almost no women in their 40s are
03:54:18
Alexgoing to be more attractive than their 20-year-old self that doesn't mean that I wouldn't say that there wouldn't be some who could be because obviously there could but that's based on your own attraction values though it's not B
03:54:31
Andrew Wilsonhere's the thing I hold a different belief I think that there are Universal metrics for attraction and the reason that I believe that this must be true is because cross-culturally uh almost in every
03:54:43
Andrew Wilsonculture when we look at historical beauty standards even there's remarkable similarities when it comes to the picturesque of a woman that men go for and for the types of men that women go for most of the statues that we see that
03:54:56
Andrew Wilsonare in that are showing enlightened men for instance they're somewhat muscular they're tall this kind of thing it seems that the attractiveness the universal metrics for this don't really change
03:55:07
Andrew Wilsonthat much I do think that culturally there's going to be some relativism when it comes to some things for instance perhaps there's a culture where women wear rings around their neck and it stretches their neck and so if you see women who don't have that you might it
03:55:20
Andrew Wilsonmight seem odd to you it might not seem like that's an attractive feature whereas you I think you would still find uh hip ratio to breast ratio to still be attractive in this kind of thing I do think that there are some universalities because otherwise how would you know
03:55:33
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)what is or is not a healthy female to breed with how would you know that so to you it's well based what if in like 10 years there's something that reverses the way you look so is this question
03:55:43
Andrew Wilsongoing to be relevant to you so is there more to more to it or is it just based on because I think yeah so if there was a magic let's say there was a magic pill
03:55:55
Andrew Wilsonor not a m a scientific pill which reversed the aging process uh well then what would happen then is we would still be correct because what women would be doing is reversing their 40-year-old age
03:56:06
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)to their 20-year-old age because that's more attractive but do you think then but do you think no no no I know I'm saying do you think for examp for example if there's a woman in her 50s and there's a woman in her 20s and you
03:56:18
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)can't really tell physically how they look would you choose someone in their 20s that's less experienced or someone in their 50s but like the face the wrinkles physically they kind of look Sim today or who's more attractive uh
03:56:31
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)attractive like so does personality maybe someone with more experience or wisdom does that play part or is it only based on like you can't tell a difference so so you can you can ask you can ask the same question a different
03:56:43
Andrew Wilsonway and you would end up with the same exact answer you could say okay if you had two 20-year-old women and you couldn't tell that you know uh or you had a 25-year old woman and you had a 20-year old woman or a 21y old woman and
03:56:55
Andrew Wilsona 27y old woman and they looked like they were the same age would you choose based on personality traits if they were almost equally attractive yeah sure of course that would come into it but that really doesn't have anything to do with
03:57:06
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)whether or not the attractiveness traits themselves were there I think I was I was making a question because I've heard some arguments in the past that some guys go for younger women because they
03:57:17
Andrew Wilsonfeel like they are more moldable I don't know yeah but but but hang on that's a different question and I'm happy to engage with that one too I do think for instance if we were to take your comparison there's a 45-year-old woman
03:57:29
Andrew Wilsonwho took an anti-aging pill now she looks exactly like her 20-year-old self and then you have a 20-year-old woman who's next to her right at that point would the beauty standard be the only thing the man is going for I still think
03:57:41
Andrew Wilsona man would often go for the 20-year-old the one innately 20 right because she would have less baggage but what if the other woman is more intellectually
03:57:51
Andrew Wilsonengaging he enjoys more time with spend I think I think that men care far less about female intellect experience that's that's one and then two I think that they care the most about baggage I think
03:58:04
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)they care about baggage more than anything not in my experience but I your opinion he's an older gentleman so I mean he's kind of been around well I'm with an older gentleman with a 50-year-old okay that's valid but I'm
03:58:15
Andrew Wilsonsay yeah well I'm I'm guessing that he really values you for your intellect huh there there are that's what he values in you is your intellig is it because he
03:58:24
Andrew Wilsoncan have long all night conversations with you or does he perhaps value you more because he thinks you're young and hot no no no of course not n nah that
03:58:37
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)doesn't even doesn't even come to play this is very this is because you're very mature for your age how old do you think I am how old do you think I am I'm I'm older than you
03:58:48
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)think actually so someone who how old are you how old do you think I am but I don't know I would say late 20s early
03:58:56
Andrew Wilson30s I'm 34 yeah okay so early 30s yeah yeah so I mean right about there so the thing is is again I think that um just
03:59:06
Andrew Wilsonnow this is just a guess just just just my shot in the dark but I think that he probably values your physical attra acess even more than he does your
03:59:17
Andrew Wilsonintellect and I know how that sounds it must sound awful do sound awful like complet the thing is I think it's I think it's actually realistic for me to point these things out because they are
03:59:28
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)true no no no I totally agree and that's why he really looks after himself because he realizes he doesn't want to look bad for me so I don't disregard your opinion if I looked different he
03:59:40
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)might not like me but I think it's not just to look that a guy guy is not going to hold a woman if she's not going to be there for him intellectually and physically I don't think there is one
03:59:52
Andrew Wilsonthing let me give a little push back here not so sure that that what you would consider the value of intellectuals the same that I would value so for instance let me ask you
04:00:04
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)then specifically when you say he values your intellect what about you is so intellectual that should be valued no I'm saying he values both he is Valu the fact I know I know but answer to my
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)question what about you is so intellectual that it should be valued well first of all I'm not saying I'm like this crazy intellectual person but I'm someone that he can engage on any
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Andrew Wilsonlevel of conversation with for him for him at any level yes so can he sit down and talk to you about how the carburetor is broken and ask for your advice on how
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)he should fix it no no no I'm saying to him he's never he's not the type of person that that's not what interests him I'm saying based on our common interest I'm the person that can engage with him on those convers let's see if
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Andrew Wilsonthat's true what what are the things that interest him that uh that he intellectually values in you I'm kind of curious now well we talk a lot about science we talk a lot about um
04:01:02
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)metaphysical stuff we talk a lot about psychology we talk a lot about uh a different places in the world and perception of different countries and how uh you talk about metaphysics
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Andrew Wilsonyeah we talk a lot about spirituality metaphysical things we talk a lot about Quantum things well what is uh when you classify something as being metaphysical
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)what does that mean well um based on U like for example we talk a lot about whether and it's not just with him but like for example I'm very interested
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)yeah yeah but what what do you think metaphysical is uh something to do with your Consciousness and how it reflects into a physical world
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)that's what metaphysics is uh yeah you can I mean there's so many wide array of conversations you can go about it how whether someone has you know the whole
04:01:57
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)debate about Consciousness whether it's you know your mind is connected to your soul or if there is a soul or you know something that's kind of Beyond just
04:02:07
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)everyday reality there's a lot of things to talk about and it just doesn't have to be um but you know what I mean like there's engaging conversation no I mean I'm
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Andrew Wilsontrying to I'm trying to figure this out right so uh from my perspective I'm trying to figure out these interesting intellectual conversations which can be had with you about metaphysics and that
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Andrew Wilsonthat is the thing those are the things which is keeping this guy interested not the fact that you're much younger and he likely really enjoys having physical
04:02:39
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)intimacy with that's that's just a guess just guess I will directly rebuke your um argument is because he can have any other there's plenty of attractive women
04:02:51
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)that are younger than me out there and he can have them he's very attractive man and he can have them why would he choose me so I'm saying there has to be
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Andrew Wilsonsomething more than just plain physical attractiv attractiveness to keep a relationship long been dating well I mean I don't know I say I don't know because years wow just to read just to kind of get get back into this and we'll
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Andrew Wilsontie this up so that other people can get back in but I'm not really sure because you think that metaphysics is about Consciousness and that's really weird to me but uh even if even if we just kind of assumed that that's what it was um I
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)don't really understand why that would be the like the value ad why would that be such a value I'm not saying just that specifically I'm not saying I'm this intellectual person I'm saying stuff
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)that he's interested in I have the S similar interest and can we can engage in conversations that we both get reward from so if you don't have that in a relationship it's never going to work I
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Andrew Wilsondon't believe that well then let me ask you this last question let us assume for a moment when you met him that half of your face was burned off and your tongue was hanging out of your mouth but you still had the Stellar personality you
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)have today no of course not think you would have dated you no I'm saying you have to no that's why I'm saying you have to have both you can't have one without I don't know what I'm saying is that I think one is a higher priority
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)than another that's what I'm uh no because you know what I'm not going to look the same in 10 years or 20 years and everybody ages but why would you might not be there in 10 years or 20
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)years yeah but everybody ages you're not going to stay with one person just based on their appearance at when they're 35 or 25 you have to yeah but I mean I
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Andrew Wilsonthink that are you with I think that there's a hierarchy of motivational factors so if I had to look at the hierarchy of motivational factors I think that a man who is at his age uh is
04:04:48
Andrew Wilsongoing to value in a woman at your age much more the physical intimacy than he is the long walks on the beach that's that's now that's my
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Andrew Wilsonopinion but uh are you are you Mar I bet you if he was next to you right now he'd be like high five high five right he'd go yeah you're right you're totally right no no I'm saying it's not I'm not
04:05:10
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)it's not only him I've been with so it's not just based on one relationship I've had are you married what's your relationship St yeah I'm married okay so
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Andrew Wilsonwith your wife do you just value her for her looks well she's a mother she's a mother of my children okay so you value her more than just for looks obviously yeah of course yeah she's the mother of
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Andrew Wilsonmy she's the mother of my children her entire job and duty is to raise my genetic Offspring into maturity that's a super valuable job right do you have this do you have this man's children I
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)want to have a CH child one day yeah I know but she don't have it right now right but I'm saying if you chose your wife just based on appearance you would trust her to raise your children so obviously there's going to be more to why you're choosing that sure there's
04:05:58
Andrew Wilsoncontributing factors I'm just saying there's a hierarchy which exists you keep on you keep on kind of presenting this the counter things you have to be hang hang on hang on chill chill for a second you keep on presenting this in a
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Andrew Wilsonin a kind of false uh straw man way where you're saying that I'm saying it's either one or the other I'm also agreeing with you that there's both in play there has to be some personality to go with the beauty ultimately for
04:06:22
Andrew Wilsonsomething long term I'm not disputing that what I'm disputing is whether or not they're equal to each other what I'm disputing is whether or not there isn't a hierarchy here of what it is that is valued before the other thing and so
04:06:35
Andrew Wilsonwhat I'm saying is that if so here's let me put it to you a different way I think that your man if he had two buttons he could push and he had to push one button one it eliminated this great
04:06:46
Andrew Wilsonintellect or number two it made you a massive burn victim who is ugly as Sin which button do you think he would push that's such an irrelevant question because answer the question don't offis
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)skate answer yeah I agree with you obviously which button which button answer the question um yeah he's not going to want me to be a burned victim
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)but same question to you does he value more okay well let me ask you just same question too if you were with someone
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)who is very your wife right very attractive but you she was a not your P the personality you wouldn't want her to
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Andrew Wilsonraise her children how is that not equal you would want someone that's more I'm saying is that there's a there's a hierarchical value which exists and you just demonstrated it you agree with me
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Andrew Wilsonhang on you agree with me that ifys choose why won't you let me answer the question okay sorry about that answer so if you say if I ask you there's two buttons you
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Andrew Wilsonmust push one or he must push one which one would he push the elimination of your beauty or the elimination of the long walks in the beach and the talks about metaphysics and the higher intellect you think he would push the
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Andrew Wilsonbutton which would eliminate that rather than the physical Beauty that's shows you here that in in hang on in a bifurcated in in literally two options you think that the one that he would
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)push must have some higher value to him than other yeah he would definitely push the one where my beauty for sure and most other men that I've been with as well I asked him so that's my only point
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)so you're agreeing with me that there's a hierarchy of needs when it comes to this and I think it's more important if you're with someone than you want them to raise your children have children with them it's more important than the looks because the looks are going to
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Andrew Wilsonfade very yeah I I could agree that if you ask me the same question right now which would be more valuable to your wife's physical beauty or her ability to raise your children if I had the same case for the buttons I would push the one which eliminated her physical Beauty
04:08:47
Andrew Wilsonand kept her intellect intact to continue the raising of my genetic Offspring but your answer was different because you don't have his children you think he values the hierarchy of your
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)beauty first then your intellect and I agree no no I know I'm I was talking about when you first meet someone when we first met yes and for me as well it feels like it's changing the goal post
04:09:09
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)little bit I'm sorry if I if I'm I'm not changing my opinion at all when you first meet when you first date yes but when you decide to be with someone then you decide to go further in life with them then you choose someone not based
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Andrew Wilsonon the looks right but if the looks don't come first then there will be no you won't even have the option agree with that and actually she demonstrated that with the earlier question I asked if she
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Andrew Wilsonwas a burn victim but had her same personality would this guy be dating her right now answer no if right now he could select between these two things which would pick the beauty would be higher on the hierarchy there as well so uh one final
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)thing from the both of you on this because I do want to get other people in so I'm I'm just saying that once again I was arguing that it's exactly the same uh importance yeah you meet someone and
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Leleyou like how they look and you like how they speak to you for me at least well why not just be a hook why not he just hook up with her if if it's just about the physical appearance he chose to be in a committed long-term relationship
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Lelewith her rather you can hook up with somebody and they might be dumber than a box of rocks like and you can still you can still hook up with them wait wait actually I want to I want to challenge this idea that cuz you
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Brian Atlasmentioned intellect and then you mentioned dumber than dumber than a box of rocks well let's bring in because we're talking about intellect now let's bring in uh personality disposition so perhaps they're not particularly
04:10:38
Brian Atlasintelligent they're dumber than a box of rocks but they're they're a good person they have good morals they have good values and they have a pleasant disposition and personality versus you can be highly intelligent and be a a
04:10:51
Brian Atlasabsolute pain in the ass to be around you can have a negative World Outlook you could be uh you know name any sort of negative personality trait you can be intelligent and still have those negative personality traits this whole
04:11:03
Brian AtlasTrope of like well my intelligence honestly I kind of would rather just chill with we don't even have to talk and I can still like you no I I i'
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)rather just watch House of the Dragon no I was I wasn't when I was saying that I'm not talk I'm not saying about intelligence I'm saying more about personality that you click with somebody
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)else yeah but the C the capability to have a conversation I mean it was somewhat related to yeah but someone is one dumber than a box of rocks when you have a life issue that everybody has would you rather go through life and
04:11:37
Andrew Wilsonthrough life's issues with someone who's dumber than the box but this is really weird because we we keep on agreeing with with this point over and over at least I was I mean I keep agreeing with your point yes both are important yes both are important yes both are
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Andrew Wilsonimportant one more time yes both are important equ but does that does that mean equal though what's my my argument is they're not equal not that they're not important but not that's your
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Andrew Wilsonargument and my argument is that equal and that's it if your argument truly was that they were equal then when the button scenario came up each whichever one he pushed should have no value Merit
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Brian Atlasto him whatsoever cuz they're both equal no no no it's a that was last word that was the last word uh to wrap up the thing on the 102 uh I think we left off
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Brian Atlasnot with me I I didn't answer the 10 to 20 I think oh yeah it's definitely you uh do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years um you're 22 now do you think you'll be better looking at
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Brian Atlas32 no okay what about you you're 19 do you think you'll be better looking at 29 than you are now at 19 I do because that's when my mom said that she peaked and I'm like okay what about uh 39
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)compared to now probably not no okay what about 39 to 29 like which uh probably 29 I feel like you peak in your mid 20s to early 30s I feel like that's like Peak uh what about
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Paulayou better looking in 10 years no but I do you think this is your Peak right now at 53 well I will say I'm better looking than I was 10 years ago so I lost 130
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Paulalbs wow in congratulations last uh years ago okay so I feel like I'm better looking now but I don't think I will be better looking in 10 years all right and
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Brian Atlasthen what about you better looking in 10 years or better looking now at 19 no no okay and then what about you better looking at 44 or better looking at 34
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)now I'll try to look the same I don't know maybe um 44 is still young to me I think you'll start declining after that
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)I love hearing about everyone's declining I know know I'm saying that okay I I'm way better looking now than I was when I was 24 I don't know it does
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Brian Atlasokay live healthy wait so better looking now we can you uh get off your phone back there and rejoin the table
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)kindly I don't family of course the you know as you age but I think in 10 years we'll have that pill that reverses I mean are different ways to
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Brian Atlasyou know like botox and and things like that I mean there are ways reverse let me give let me add a qualifier all else being equal so if she could get BOTOX
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Brian Atlasnow and get it then I don't think I that's the framework okay well she doesn't okay honestly a 44 year-old with botox looks like a 44 year-old with
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Lelebotox exactly yeah that's I do any of that she's not 44 who looks 34 um Amber what's that one shot that you can get
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Lelethat that like Miley Cyrus gets and [ __ ] NAD no NAD NAD is like a it's like I don't know the I don't know the I'm not
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Brian Atlasa [ __ ] doctor okay so anyways yes better looking at 44 or 34 well 34 for now yeah I'm sorry what 34 yes I'm
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Brian Atlasbetter looking now than and were you better looking at 24 than you are now at 34 no I'm way better looking now better looking now at 34 than you were at 24 yeah okay
04:15:13
Brian Atlasall right yeah that was an interesting segment y'all crazy okay we have vampire lore Andrew this question is for you would you rather be in the woods with a random bear who will kill you or random
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Andrew Wilsonwoman who who 50/50 chance might claim essay against you also hey Andrew with a question mark uh well I I would still prefer not to die so uh I guess I would take the uh the woman that seems like I
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Brian Atlaswould have the better odds there you go there you go okay feel you for arguing with her
04:15:46
Brian Atlasuh before I get into all the pre-show notes from everybody uh anybody have maybe you've seen the show before you've seen Andrew clips of Andrew clips of me any disagreements disagreements disagreements I already said mine any
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Brian Atlasother disagreements than the disagreements we've already had any going once going other than pre the pre-show going three times uh well I'll just get into it in your preon notes if
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Brian Atlasthere's anything else okay not anything okay all right uh let's see Katie oh NOP she
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Brian Atlaswas uh that's a no show we have Mel uh okay moving to Mel Mel yeah Mel okay Mel by the way Andrew she's Australian any
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Brian Atlasthoughts on that New Zealand you say Andrew has beef I think with Australia I don't know I heard New
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Brian AtlasZealand that's okay apparently it doesn't exist this place um you uh describe yourself as a Conservative Christian woman but a former Progressive uh what do you mean by that um I went to
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Melcongratulations on your recovery by the way thank you very much um I went to a very Progressive High School um it was like predominantly performing arts and I
04:17:01
Melwas very conditioned into sort of the left leaning ideology like in every way um especially because I didn't grow up in a very politically driven household
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Melso all of my ideas were kind of formed from high school um so pretty much for 18 years of my life I had the same political Outlook until I graduated are
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Melyour parents uh conservative I would say my mom is more conservative mhm than she is Progressive yeah she's yeah I would consider her a conservative I think I was gone when uh
04:17:37
Brian Atlasare your parents still together no no okay um do you are you in touch with your dad at all or or no he uh like there was a divorce when you were young
04:17:47
Brian Atlasor okay how young three all right okay and so Mom a bit more conservative than she is Progressive yeah I would say she's overall conservative all right and
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Melyou said you're Christian um what do you have a denomination or I was um like christened or baptized as a Protestant but my mom's side is orthodox so I am
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Melinterested in eventually converting once I do enough research okay into that all right cool is say Eastern Orthodoxy
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Andrew Wilsonyeah all right there I'm half Greek so like I have a sort of connection is that is that the good half yeah I was racist
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Andrew WilsonOrthodox you said that you've only had one longterm no no no no no I'm no no no so I've talked with you before you are a cradle Orthodox that's true you're baptized in the church but you said you
04:18:43
Alexwere not actually raised with those values themselves my mother did not raise me with those values but it doesn't mean that my entire family
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Alexdidn't have those values I was pushed into those values and then once I got seven I started getting headaches primarily mostly because of the incense
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Alexas we've discussed but um I just rebelled because it didn't make sense all right you've gotten enough attention tonight so wow thank you all right um only you've only had one long-term
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Brian Atlasrelationship you're dating for marriage yes and you say it's unpopular at your age in Australian culture and it makes it hard so what is the sort of uh culture in Australia right now related
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Melto that it's very casual um I feel like you really have to really dig deep if you want to find someone that's also dating for marriage um everyone at church especially in the Greek orth
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MelOrthodox Church that I have been to like I've been to a few um you won't find anyone that's like under 30 um no actually probably 40
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Melthat's already married and you're trying to date within the church or I mean that would probably be the most like I would find the most alignment I would say I mean it's like if I even tried going
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Andrew Wilsonoutside of the church or any sort of conservative realm like I would have no chance to clarify for you Brian um if you're an Eastern Orthodox Christian you
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Brian Atlascannot Mary outside yeah of Eastern Orthodox Christianity yeah okay and um are you trying to like you said they're all like old older men though so would you date them they all like married yeah
04:20:25
Brian Atlasoh they're already they're all married they're not married men obviously okay all right I see uh let's see and then you said you wanted to talk on a couple of different things there's quite a lot here hookup culture the destruction of
04:20:37
Brian Atlasmarriage only fans pornography dating apps the progressive masculine masculinization of women and the feminization ation of men gender roles abortion incentivizing divorce for women the unserious nature and removal of
04:20:47
Brian Atlasreligion from marriage in today's Generation Um go ahead rapid fire this D come on
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Brian Atlasspecific uh we have some o girls here o o like let's you know like hear your thoughts on only F on only fans um I think it's very destructive to society
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Melas a whole I mean I don't think there's a benefit to women or men like no matter how you cut it besides Finance I don't know what benefit you would be receiving as a woman for having an only fans
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Alexaccount that would improve your life boom roasted I can yes chill chill can I say something no you can't you've already talked too much oh now we can't talk too much okay
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)say your thing that's probably not going to be related but okay go ahead no I I agree I think um what's lacking is I think it's important for people to have passion in their life um and also when AI going to take over all the old only
04:21:49
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)fans like how I think um it's something that's not sustainable so I think it's important to find something that you truly like to do
04:21:58
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)cuz the world is changing so fast that's an interesting that was beautiful that serious you don't you don't agree with that you don't think you people should have some passion that
04:22:10
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)they just because you know girls doesn't mean they have a personality outside a passioned my hair the other day no no no I'm saying if if for example it is the
04:22:20
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)fact that AI is men creating profiles and using AI women so in 10 years like it's going to be so even 5 years it's going to be so prevalent how are we
04:22:31
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)going to stand against perfect AI women also kind of talking about like the O like I feel like no hate whatsoever you guys do what you guys need to do but just like I feel like from there it's kind of giving men like an idea of like
04:22:43
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)what women should be cuz then like I'm like not hating on men that was my Knuckles sorry I do that when I when I get earlier yeah I can do all of them
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)but um I just think like I'm like with you on this um but it's more like if you portray yourself as that online if you are allowing men to like pay to see your body to see yourself to see like the
04:23:05
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)like parts of yourself that only like in my opinion your partner should see and it's just like that's kind of destroying our culture from there it's making that normal for men to just be like oh I want
04:23:17
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)to I want to jerk off I want to have a good time I'm going to go to oan fans see a girl on there and then when there's actual real women that want connections with men that's kind of like their first thought Not all men just in general it's just like oh like that's
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Lelewhat I want that's why I want a hookup culture that's why I want this so I feel like do you want to be with a man who's like that anyways who's expecting you to be like a [ __ ] I don't of just [ __ ] all the time like 100% of the time I don't but what I'm saying is having o
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Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)having that as an option in general or like porn or whatever having that as an option in general is actually you think old porn should be abolished as well I yes I do I don't think awesome erotic
04:23:53
Andrew Wilsonart she's based she's super based well she may you're making U you're making an anti-feminist argument that the anti-u for jets used to make actually so I
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Andrew Wilsonagree they to be a huge problem because they thought that it would destroy the quality of the men and what used to happen is there was a Sisterhood based
04:24:15
Andrew Wilsonaround Chastity and the reason for this is because if they all held to Chastity they can have their pick of the highest quality men and now uh if every woman is competing for a smaller percentage of men you end up with these kind of
04:24:28
Paulamassive cultural problems which you're seeing in front of you right now at least that was the argument then I agree and you know with the only fans is just sad because you guys have been sold a
04:24:38
Paularaw deal you have been taught that this is empower and what it is is the most misogynistic thing you can do what not
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Paulahold on hold on because you're allowing you are allowing men to pay you to show your body and that is not empowerment
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Paulathat is giving the man his Primal desires and really all you're getting is money for it and they're okay L wait how's that misogyny though because it's
04:25:11
Paulathe men have the power not the women in that situation how would that even be misogyny because the men are in the power power position in that situ wouldn't that be I mean if men are in power wouldn't that be a
04:25:23
Paulapatriarchy whatever whatever you want to call but why would that be misogyny I just I sorry maybe I chose the wrong word I just think you're giving your power to to the men not taking it for
04:25:35
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)yourself it's also feeling really shitty because at least for me I don't like posting that kind of stuff online that's not like that's not what I am but like but then it's also like men are expecting that from me in like in a sense and I'm like I'm sorry I like I
04:25:48
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)don't post bikini pictures I don't do only fans I don't do this kind of stuff and then it just kind of like it honestly it's hurting women in general in my opinion like it's like making everyone else's like um like their view
04:26:00
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)on themselves is just like kind of degrading after a while in my opinion because like we're like normal or no I'm not going to say normal that was a bad choice of words but oh sorry it's all
04:26:11
Brian Atlasgood yeah uh okay okay so let's see here um should we ban porn I think we should ban porn and social media except for YouTube bro that's and my social media
04:26:22
Leleaccounts so so then what about art what about all of the all the small businesses like what about like do you need social media for that yeah to promote your small business
04:26:36
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)100% the street and show people if there's absolutely no social media other yeah you'll find ways you'll put on street corners what did they do when we didn't have any social media in like the
04:26:46
Brian Atlas50s 60s 7 like how people this is uh so this is unrelated to dating obviously this is unrelated to dating but I feel like uh ever since social media subcultures have kind of died and also
04:26:58
Brian Atlaslike there's not there's there's this term called monoculture like there'd be these like cultural touch Touchstone events but now things move so rapidly like things are just gone but like if a
04:27:09
Brian Atlasmovie a major movie came out in like the '90s or early 2000s like everybody that was like a cultural Touchstone but now it's so fragmented with social media because now everyone
04:27:21
Brian Atlashas these like sub niches things move so rapidly um it's just totally like American Pie that movie was a cultural
04:27:32
Brian AtlasTouchstone s uh super bad was also kind of a I love super cultural touch Stone but love all those monoculture things died once social media came around and
04:27:42
Brian Atlasis wait back to you you also said that uh you wanted to discuss religion marriage from my understanding Brian is personally against marriage and not
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Melreligious did you want to am I right about that are you religious I know that you're you're opposed to marriage well Andrew's working on me Andrew's working
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Brian Atlason me go Andrew I uh I would become I mean I've I've said this before on the show uh you know I'm I'm taking a look at uh
04:28:12
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)Orthodox Christianity so uh congrat I'm a work in progress I'm a work in progress with Andrew here everyone has to start somewhere and just coming from at least
04:28:23
Brian Atlascoming from a 19-year old and so maybe once uh maybe marriage is in 100% out of the cards if I you know if I get there but right now it's uh it's probably out of the
04:28:34
Brian Atlascards but who knows you never you know some someone could be able to convince me but no I'm not going to get married most likely but probably maybe maybe but
04:28:45
Brian Atlasprobably not there's a chance but probably not get married who knows about the religion part Andrew can I still become a Orthodox Christian but just not get married or is am I going to like get
04:28:58
Andrew Wilsonno you don't uh you can become an Orthodox Christian not get married but uh they're not going to be happy if you're cuming if I'm philandering is yeah if you're cuming can't you can't be a cumer bro wait I'm not a cumer bro F
04:29:10
Andrew Wilsonno I know but uh not but but if you don't get married and you're you know having premarital sex if you're yeah if you're having carnal relations outside
04:29:19
Amber/Mateline/Grace/Margarita (mixed)of marriage then uh that's a that's a no no what if it's with a long-term relationship I just want to say this Jesse guy keeps like like putting stuff on there and I just want to say I see
04:29:31
Brian Atlasyou I appreciate that I love it it's just a lot of like good vibes from Christians talking about God the Lord W Jessie W Jess W Jessie thank you appreciate so so I would just say at
04:29:43
Andrew Wilsonthis point right you're you're what I would consider an inquire right you're just you're just doing an inquiry what's called an inquiry we're not asking you to become some full-blown convert tomorrow nothing of the sort just you
04:29:56
Brian Atlasknow go to the church every once in a while talk to the people around there I think you'll like it Brian well I was I was going to try to go with Rachel but it just uh do they have any like
04:30:07
Andrew Wilsonafternoon um sometimes they have I did I did look at the church there in Santa Barbara and they do have actually weekday afternoon stuff I'll be out there soon enough I'll see if I can drag you to one okay any you know we'll go to
04:30:19
Andrew Wilsonthe go to one of the easy ones right like vper it's only it's only 20 30 minutes in and out and then we go to In and Out right that's in and out out okay yeah we could do that we'll do that uh
04:30:32
Brian Atlasmy sleep schedule right now is terrible you know so mine too I'm waking up at like I can't get up at like what are these 8:00 in the morning 9:00 in the morning
04:30:42
Melit's hard anyways uh so I guess what was your disagreement or um just in terms of marriage like but the thing is I can understand why you're opposed to marriage because there isn't really an
04:30:53
Melincentive anymore to be married especially if you're not religious true so it's more of like just a disagreement
04:31:01
Brian Atlason personal decisions not not really yeah got it well moving on to uh Paula you said you were raised in a cult yes I
04:31:12
Brian Atlaswas oo you left the cult yes I did you became a single mom of four yep your family is psychotic yes and your kid's dad walked away and you became homeless
04:31:22
Brian Atlaswith four kids damn that's crazy um and then there uh what was the cult what what um was it like a meditation rather well okay say it don't
04:31:35
Brian Atlassay it I was Mormon oh you were Mormon yeah wait that was the cult M Mormon they a cult Absolut thought they were just like aren't they just a religion or it it's a cult oh heck yeah the whole
04:31:46
Andrew Wilsonthing is the whole thing c um yes so so which which type of Mormon Were You Salt Lake City Mormon which type yeah but which which kind of Salt Lake City Mormon were you in the polygamy side or
04:31:58
Paulanon polyam no so that's what we would refer to as Salt Lake City Style is the mainstream Mormon church okay so just the regular LDS church yeah but like um
04:32:10
PaulaI don't want to get into it too much because I'll go on a full-on rant but there are certain things that uh identifies as a cult which is um a man stands between you and God as far as
04:32:22
Paulagetting to Heaven that you have to believe in a certain man other than Jesus Christ to get into heaven um they tell you what to do with your money they tell you what to wear they tell you who
04:32:32
Paulato associate with the the church or your husband the church oh okay the church okay so you have what's called um tithing settlement every single year in in January the bishop calls you into the
04:32:44
Paulaoffice and says have you paid your full 10% this year and if you say no he'd be like how would you like to take care of that today and if you don't submit to
04:32:55
Paulapaying that 10% they withhold certain um things from you like you can't go to the temple oh so and in the temple you learn how to get to heaven and they do rights
04:33:07
Paulaand symbols and all this stuff so they withhold things from you if you do not align 100% with what they believe okay I
04:33:18
Paulacan mental no I left can you get EX I don't know you can be EXC communic I've been fellow for um yeah fooling around
04:33:28
Brian Atlaswith a guy I got just fellowshipped oh okay uh you said uh I guess moving things on from the whole cult thing you had a male therapist is this after the cult mhm
04:33:41
Brian Atlasbefore okay when I was single with four kids a male therapist who advised you to get an only fans page and make money off of your sex addiction which you had
04:33:51
Paulabefore correct that is so predatory he also asked me to uh discuss 50 Shades of Gray with him and towards the end he said his license needs taken away he I I
04:34:03
Leleknow you want to crawl across this desk at me right now did you tell the people he was working for like his boss or someone H
04:34:13
Paulaup to him that's hor so yeah but see the thing is is Predators know um Predators
04:34:20
Paulaknow uh victims no that's not absolutely wrong I I was more 25 years yeah they can recognize the patterns he was a like
04:34:30
Paulaa licensed therapist my therapist therapist counselor what was his what's the like title l l l LSM LS SMC or l PC
04:34:42
PaulaI believe licensed something yeah counselor huh that's probably unethical but okay probably so yeah just real quick backing
04:34:52
Paulaup briefly uh were you and your husband in the church together yes and that was why when we left the church he left the family and left me on there okay so he stayed with the church no no we left the
04:35:04
Paulachurch together and then oh he left he said to me he goes had I not been Mormon I would have never gotten married and had four kids and I said had I not been Mormon I wouldn't have married you in a
04:35:13
Paulamillion years wow so that because the church puts so much pressure on people to get married not have sex outside of marriage so these guys go on their
04:35:25
Paulamission they come home they're 20 something they're horny so they get married within a year of coming home from their mission that's what they're taught I know people personally that are my age that are married and I'm like wow
04:35:37
Paulathat's insane my friends all were married by um when I was I was 25 when I got married and I was probably one of the only women I knew
04:35:47
Paulathat weren't married at that time were you born into no my parents joined the church when I was 10 and I was a Mormon from the time I was 10 till I was 35 and
04:35:57
PaulaI held all different things I held I taught um missionary lessons I was in the Relief Society um I wasn't like so they didn't like raise you with those
04:36:08
Leleviews until you were 10 and then they converted in return obviously you had to go with them yeah okay okay uh so I guess moving things on a little bit uh
04:36:19
Paulayou said you do disagree on occasion and it was mainly the the uh marriage the comments I've heard you make about marriage that was so that was already addressed I'll I'll do it for five
04:36:30
Paulaminutes we can we can argue for five minutes let's do it no I just I you know I'm just a more traditional I've you know I'm more like the who is that uh gosh can't think
04:36:42
Paulano it's fine it's it's just who you are and that's you have your own road to travel I've got my own Road you do does does he have his own Journey do I have a
04:36:52
Brian Atlasjourney is it an adventure he has his own path it's an adventure Brian I'm I'm going I'm finding myself I'm just I'm just trying to find myself as a
04:37:04
Brian Atlasman like I'm just trying to find myself and that if that involves having dozens of C casual sexual oh wait no I'm kidding that's
04:37:15
Paulawhat women say I don't I don't actually enjoy having multiple casual sexual partners at the same time do you um read Jordan Peterson or anything like
04:37:27
Paulathat I'm yeah I'm familiar with him although I've kind of he I feel like he's fallen a little bit of out of favor over the years but yeah what about him well just because he promotes men
04:37:38
Brian Atlasgetting married and having children and that I feel like Jordan's not the best role model you have to clean your room Bako bed wait Andrew keep going you're doing the rest of the show as a Jordan
04:37:50
Andrew WilsonPeterson impression rest of the show you have to do the that's the problem then isn't it that's good there you go good job that's [ __ ] good that's that that's an impression of my friend Jim Bob's
04:38:03
Andrew Wilsonimpression he does good impression I'm doing I'm doing a terrible impression that was it's terrible that was great wow okay uh I think my
04:38:14
Brian Atlascriticism of Jordan Peterson is he uh there was a video that recently came
04:38:22
Brian Atlasout and I think his wife was being interviewed and this kind of I I was um she was when he started pursuing her she
04:38:33
Brian Atlaswas involved with another man and was she I don't want I don't want to like say something that's not true she was like maybe somebody in the chat knows
04:38:43
Brian Atlasthe clip I'm talking about was she like painting no she was doing nude it wasn't like porn but it she was doing like
04:38:51
Brian Atlasposing nude for art classes um which some people gave Jordan Flack for I believe is that the case chat Nick could you pull up the chat so
04:39:03
Brian AtlasI can see you talking about Michaela no I'm talking about Jordan's wife she was uh a live model at a painting class she was
04:39:15
Brian Atlasa nude model I think I I don't remember precisely so I could be wrong don't sue me but
04:39:21
Brian Atlasuh and then she was living with and dating another man while he was pursuing her I
04:39:32
Andrew Wilsondon't I don't know bro I do you have but do you have any philosophical differences with him or like his worldview do you have distinct your differences there uh I've definitely
04:39:44
Brian Atlasheard some things I disagree with he I think he puts a lot of blame on men in the dating Marketplace he'll say uh ultimately it's a man I don't I don't
04:39:57
Brian Atlaswant to put again I would have to find the actual quote or the video but he I think he puts a disproportionate amount of blame on men when it comes to sort of the dating frustrations that they face
04:40:08
Brian Atlasand some of it look there are certainly ways that uh men are lacking but I think it's he disproportionately puts blame on men um so yeah I was in an argument with
04:40:21
Andrew WilsonMichaela on Twitter the other day that was kind of funny were you guys going back and forth or yeah but it wasn't on it was just mostly I think it was on her Centrist views I
04:40:33
Brian Atlaslike yeah she said something stupid and I was like what I I like Jordan though I like Jordan I'm not trying to talk [ __ ] about his wife I just I saw that interview and I was like oh that's
04:40:45
Lelelike oh I don't I don't know how I feel about that but anyways um so there's been a lot of good arguments on Twitter this past week it's been yeah it's been interesting yeah like like Drew and pearl remember Pearl she was on the
04:40:57
Andrew Wilsonpodcast when I was here I wish I would have known who she was and like actually watched her stuff before coming on or else I would have torn into her a lot more because I love Drew so I guess I I actually wait wait wait what are you beating up on Pearl Davis about she's