BANGS RETURNS?! Rachel Wilson CRASHES Show?! 2 VlRGlNS Age 25/27?! Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #219
Date: 2024-12-09
Duration: 8h 08m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_02Ashley(guest)
SPEAKER_03Carissa(guest)
SPEAKER_04Elsie(guest)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Eric (Osop)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_10Chloe(guest)
SPEAKER_11Michelle(guest)
SPEAKER_13Davia(guest)
SPEAKER_14Bangs (Anai)(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:08
IntroBrian opens show — "welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape"
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:06:15
IntroBangs intro — cannot share her location, does OnlyFans, going back to school for real estate at SBCC
“um an 22 years old I'm from I don't want to share my location... you do only fans yeah... going back in January for real estate”
00:25:31
RelationshipMichelle reveals she is a virgin at 25 — "I haven't slept with anyone"
“long you been celibate for right now the whole time... I haven't slept with anyone oh you're a virgin yeah”
00:33:33
RelationshipChloe (27) reveals she is also a virgin — not religious, just not comfortable yet
“so are you also a virgin like your friend or okay all right... I just don't feel comfortable with it”
01:15:00
ControversyAndrew Wilson vs Bangs clash — Andrew accuses Bangs of controlling conversation, Bangs calls Andrew "broken"
“calm down calm down... you're you're broken you're a broken you're a broken boy”
01:22:09
QuoteAndrew Wilson on why men are with women: "they're mostly with women because they really want to f*** them"
“they're mostly with women because they really want to [__] them that's honestly why most men”
01:28:50
ControversyBangs vs Andrew clash — Bangs tells Andrew he was "bottle fed", flat head insult; Andrew fires back about her weight
“you were bottle fed weren't you... you need to lose about 50 okay look we all got our roles here”
03:38:00
OtherAndrew Wilson rejoins after power outage — wearing same flannel, greeted as a legend by Brian
“we are getting Andrew Wilson back on the show after an unfortunate power... my Caucasian Andrew Wilson back in the building did is that a new flannel”
03:40:00
QuoteRating round begins — Bangs immediately rates herself a 10
“everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to 10 bangs go ahead 10”
03:46:57
QuoteBrian rates himself a 5 in the rating round
“I give myself a five”
04:03:03
Key MomentRachel Wilson crashes show via Discord to defend Andrew — "I'm happy to come on and say hello"
“okay Rachel the floor is yours you can come on down... oh hello hi everybody hey hi hi come to friend hi”
04:07:00
QuoteRachel Wilson on her own looks at 44: "I rated myself a five and Andrew rates me a six"
“I rated myself a five and everybody always gets upset with Andrew cuz he rates me a six and I'm like I think he's giving me just a a hair more than I deserve”
04:13:30
ControversyRachel Wilson vs Bangs — Rachel tells Bangs she's "already hit her Peak" doing OnlyFans at 22
“you're 22 and you're on only fans and you've already hit your Peak and you're plenty happy to be ro... you have been so rude on this show bang”
04:27:48
QuoteRachel Wilson on motherhood: "95% of the time you'll ever get to spend with your kids is gone by the time they turn 18"
“95% of the time you'll ever get to spend with your kids is gone by the time they turn 18 and you don't ever get that time back”
05:23:00
OtherBangs (Anai) leaves the show at ~5:38 after feminist/suffrage debate — Andrew bids her farewell
“well with that bangs it was nice talking to you actually and I hope you have a good evening um truly... bye Andrew thank send send over ra Andrew hope you have a good night”
05:24:00
OtherAndrew Wilson leaves show — Brian thanks him after ~5.5 hours on air
“thank you good night Andrew and uh we're going to try to get through this questionnaire as quick as possible”
08:01:32
QuoteBrian describes ideal number of sons: "seven sons would be pretty good... we got a dynasty son"
“seven kids would be pretty good like maybe pump out like seven sons would be good... we got a dynasty son that's what that's what I'm trying to do”
08:03:00
QuoteEric on the "arrows and quiver" Bible verse and having a daughter
“sons born in one's Youth and there's more to it... I had a daughter so I guess I got a slingshot”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions & Show Setup
Brian opens the show with announcements, TTS Monster demonstration (which bugs out triggering YouTube superchats), and World of Warcraft guild promotion. Guests introduce themselves going around the table.
00:06:40
Relationship Status & Relationship History
Brian goes around table asking each guest about relationship status, longest relationships, and how long they have been single. Discovery that Michelle (25) and Chloe (27) are virgins. Discussion of Michelle's celibacy strategy — avoids attachment.
00:37:00
Russian Men vs American Men (Viral TikTok Reaction)
Brian plays and reacts to a viral TikTok about Russian men vs American men, sparking discussion on preferences for masculine vs soft men among the panel.
00:46:40
Types, Physical Preferences & Dealbreakers
Panel discusses physical and personality types each guest is attracted to. Height requirements, tattoos, dealbreakers like cheating. Brian asks each guest their physical type.
01:20:00
Male Emotional Vulnerability Debate
Extended debate sparked by Andrew Wilson and the female panel on whether men should open up emotionally and be vulnerable. Andrew argues men are at a disadvantage because women weaponize emotional intel via gossip/slander. Female panelists counter that vulnerability builds connection. Eric provides nuanced take. Bangs and Andrew clash repeatedly with insults.
03:40:00
Rating Round
Chat request to rate own looks 1-10 (cannot pick 7). Bangs rates herself 10. Elsie 7-8. Michelle 7. Davia 10 (then says she got an 8 from someone). Chloe 6.5. Brian 5 (self). Andrew rejoins after power outage and rates himself 10. Bangs refuses to rate Andrew objectively due to personal conflict.
04:03:00
Rachel Wilson Crashes Show
Andrew Wilson's wife Rachel Wilson joins via Discord to defend Andrew against accusations of being rude to women. Rachel (44yo, 5 kids) addresses each panelist, criticizes Bangs for her "only fans / peak fertility" lifestyle, defends Andrew's behavior, and lectures the panel on feminist brainwashing, boss-babe culture, declining birth rates, and the importance of motherhood. Extended exchange with Chloe on California economics.
04:10:00
Boss Babe & Birth Rate Collapse Debate
Rachel Wilson leads discussion on how feminist propaganda has led women to be less happy by every metric (higher alcoholism, loneliness, lower birth rates). Panel debates the cost of living in California and whether dual-income is necessary. Rachel shares her own story of sacrificing career for family.
05:15:00
Feminism Deep Dive with Bangs
Brian re-engages Bangs (who stayed later) for a 10-minute discussion on feminism and women's suffrage. Andrew argues women who pushed for suffrage made a mistake. Bangs defends feminist principles. Eventually Andrew bids Bangs goodnight and she leaves the show.
05:25:00
Height Requirements & Bear vs Man Question
Brian goes around table asking each guest's height and minimum/ideal height for a partner. Follows with the viral "man or bear in forest" question — most panel picks bear. Discussion of why.
06:15:00
Can Women Be Sexist / Racist Towards Men / White People
Brian presents debate questions: Can women be sexist toward men? Can people be racist toward white people? Bangs struggles with her own "prejudice + power" definition applied to a female Kamala Harris janitor scenario. Panel divided.
06:56:40
Dating App Stories & Online Dating Experiences
Panel shares online dating stories, including Michelle's viral TikTok story of a terrible first Tinder date in college who became famous. Discussion of catfishing and authenticity.
07:30:00
Closing Questions & Wrap-Up
Final questionnaire rounds — how long should a man last in bed, religion as dealbreaker, Brian's requirements in a partner, Eric's preference for a homebody nerdy girl. Brian closes show, raids Frost Adamus on Twitch (World of Warcraft orc warrior). Final TTS superchats read.
Transcript
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01:53:38
Andrew Wilsoneach other we do not trauma dump on each other we don't do that ultimately I would just kind of tie it off this way and say don't listen to what people say watch what they do that's the oldest
01:53:50
Andrew Wilsonpiece of advice and wisdom on planet Earth watch what people do and so if you watch what women do what women do is they say at the same time they want very stoic men who are very much under
01:54:01
Andrew Wilsonemotional guard and emotional control that they want them to emotionally open up to them and then we see what they do with that information what they do with that information during divorce is they weaponize it what they do with that
01:54:12
Andrew Wilsoninformation where during a breakup is they weaponize it all the information that you gave them all that emotion all those and they can twist it so badly too they can you could say for instance you
01:54:24
Andrew Wilsonknow uh when I was 18 uh you know I took drugs for six months you could say that and they could say well this guy was a habitual drug user he can't be trusted very very minute things like this could
01:54:35
Andrew Wilsonbe twisted warped used against you there's a actually no good reason for you to give these information this information and these fears up you don't actually need to do that it's not good uh or healthy and it is not going to
01:54:47
Eric (Osop)negate a strong emotional connection it's not going to do that so that's that's what I would say real real quick though Andrew I got to keep it up like when I said that last time you was here you didn't agree I told the we were
01:55:00
Eric (Osop)talking to about the dude and how he was being green with the woman I said you got to pay attention to what the women do and you was like well we're blaming the woman by by saying that but you saying the same thing the opposite I
01:55:12
Eric (Osop)thought you were blaming I thought you were too hard on the kid not the woman no I know I thought the woman needed to be harder you need to be harder on her but you just said out your own mouth that that you got to look at what a
01:55:23
Eric (Osop)woman does and not what she says that's the argument I used last time I was on the show because he was going by what the woman was saying outside of her actions he was looking at the actions of he her actions was not saying I want to be with you it was saying I just want to
01:55:36
Andrew Wilsonshow up and eat with you and I that's what I said then but this week you're saying that but like I but just to make long that that kid was naive there's no doubt he was naive neither one a lot a lot of a lot of people are naive but but
01:55:48
Andrew Wilsonbut the thing is you need to have mentors as men so that they can show you and I'm not one of them but there are men out there who Mentor younger men absolutely and real quick I'm just say this everybody's different because what you said I don't necessarily agree with
01:56:01
Eric (Osop)that like based on how I grew up a lot of my friends we had to be lean on each other we had like I talked to my my man called me the other day I got a lot of friends that call me like yo bro I'm tired of these kids man I'm like I don't
01:56:12
Andrew Wilsonknow my my my wife is stressing me out so sometimes I just like giving up dudes dud speak to each other like that and I think that's not trauma dumping bro your your friends aren't calling you up that's exactly what it is my man that's
01:56:25
Eric (Osop)complaining that's complaining that's a different that's semantics that's the bro that's semantics when whenever someone's calling you about that's your opinion I'm not going to try to change your mind but when when whenever someone calls you in a vulnerable state about
01:56:38
Eric (Osop)what they're going through insecurity about their self I don't know if I can make it I don't know if I got the money I don't know if my wife those are vulnerable moments that men share amongst each other as well so like I said last time we can't speak from just
01:56:50
Eric (Osop)our point of view cuz everybody is not like us and how you grow up and how you behave determines how you deal with emotional situations maybe the way you grew up you had a strong mother you had a strong father y'all had a certain regiment where emotions wasn't required
01:57:03
Eric (Osop)for you to cope but certain people don't grow up with those those those structural environments in their family so they have to become vulnerable just to create relationships in their own life because they don't have that type of family so we when we try to paint
01:57:16
Andrew Wilsoneverything with a broad brush I don't think no one gains from that I think just becomes so I say having having male friends who you have uh you know a lot
01:57:25
Andrew Wilsonof history with and you guys have a deep trust Factor uh and you also understand the force Dynamic there as well there's a force Dynamic even between friends if he goes out and Slanders you things like
01:57:36
Andrew Wilsonthat what happens he gets beat up that's what happens so there's when you're talking about interpersonal Dynamics with men and even the way that men complain to each other totally different than the idea of trying to dive into the
01:57:48
Andrew Wilsondeepest darkest recesses of your brain so that you can trauma dump and that's what's actually being requested with emotional vulnerability is that you you give up in a sense a lot of your
01:58:00
Andrew Wilsonsovereignty by doing that and I don't really see what the gain here is if you're saying my best friend who I grew up with calls me and he's he you know he talks to me about interpersonal things you still have a force dynamic in play
01:58:13
Andrew Wilsonthere you can still do something and he could do something back to you if you were to weaponize that you don't have that with women dude that is not their think you just have to be better at it than they do but I think what you're
01:58:24
Eric (Osop)explaining as emotional vulnerability is not what everybody's talking about I think what like I said in my opinion what it is it's not necessarily just telling your girl everything it's the fact that you don't care about how
01:58:36
Eric (Osop)you're viewed in that moment because you're so secure within yourself it's not about impressing her or making her look at you a different way it's about saying I don't care what you think as my woman so in other words if I if I'm talking to woman why care if she wants
01:58:48
Eric (Osop)you to be emotionally CU it's not about her it's about me it's I don't care who this I'm just talking about me personally no matter who I'm around if I feel a way about something I'm going to let it out because I'm confident enough
01:59:00
Eric (Osop)in myself to if someone wants to judge me because I'm letting a vulnerable moment happen that doesn't take away from me and I think when men go into a situation or women go into a situation saying well I don't want to show my true self because this person can take
01:59:13
Andrew Wilsonsomething away from me that shows insecurity within theirself in my opinion well I think I think the opposite I think that emotional control is is part of getting rid of the passions and that men are completely
01:59:26
Andrew Wilsoninundated way more than they ever should be in modernity with the passions and you're a Christian under Christian ethics you know the heart's a liar and because the heart's a liar you have to you have to make the heart work for you
01:59:38
Andrew Wilsonnot be enslaved by the heart and so the thing is like know I don't think it's a good idea to give into the passions I don't think it's a good idea to be overly emotional with either men or women I do think it's nice to have
01:59:49
Andrew Wilsonconfidants who are very close friends but I think even then you should be somewhat guarded you should be somewhat guarded and ultimately that's how men survive with each other that I mean we have to survive that way with each other
02:00:01
Andrew Wilsonyou can't tell you can't you can't tell your friend like like here let me give you an example right let's say you have a close friend of yours or you know like that you grew up with or something like
02:00:11
Andrew Wilsonthat let's say the the night before you had a dream uh that a dude did stuff with you are you going to tell him about that [ __ ] no you're not going to tell him about that a crazy example
02:00:23
Andrew Wilsonbe like you'd be like wait a second I'm not going to why cuz you don't want you wouldn't want information like that to get out right that's an extreme example I don't dream like that but I but it's an extreme example to demonstrate to you
02:00:34
Andrew Wilsonwhy it is that it that uh in many cases you're still not going to reveal potentially embarrassing information even to a person you really trust and there's a lot of sense to that because you keep I'm I'm going shut up you keep
02:00:46
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02:02:40
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02:04:54
Brian Atlasnotes here so moving back over to we got through all of Michelle's we have chlo uh Khloe you said the time period to ask someone on the first date shouldn't take
02:05:05
Chloemore than three days uh have you had experiences where they just don't ask or yeah and it is what it is I think it's just 72 hours for me
02:05:17
Chloelike I feel like the people that I connect with are around my age their career experience everything so if you don't show me interest in like 72 hours you don't set up a date you don't set up a time then it's kind of like what are
02:05:29
Chloewe doing here why why don't you I think personally cuz growing up in my family I set up a lot of events for like Thanksgiving Chinese New Year's everything so I think if a man doesn't
02:05:41
Chloeplan now will he ever plan in the future couldn't a man just say if she doesn't plan now will she ever plan in the future yeah if they want to do that they can do that too cuz I'll plan future dat of course but I want to see at least on
02:05:54
Brian Atlasthe first couple ones that he's willing to put that effort against consideration can the guy just say well I'm waiting to see if she'll put the effort in yeah if he wants to he can do that so you guys would just be in a deadlock and E even though you guys would otherwise be a
02:06:06
Brian Atlasperfect match aside from this one component it would just never happen because neither of you were willing to make the first move basically I think we wouldn't be a perfect match because of this just on the basis of him not taking
02:06:17
Brian Atlasinitiative yeah okay but I mean you seem more like at least from what I've gathered so far you do seem like a bit more Progressive um what what objections I guess do you have besides the one
02:06:27
Brian Atlasyou've already listed to like actually just hey what's up you want to go get dinner like where where's the uh the
02:06:35
Brian Atlasline of what why I guess what's the uh objection to you from making that initiative I'm like I I do a lot of
02:06:47
ChloeHosting I host a lot of parties with friends everything personally I know I have the ability to plan together invite people set invite in way in advance but I want to make sure to see that he's the
02:06:59
Chloesame if he'll do in the future senico events where he's inviting friends over and everything and if he doesn't take that initi sorry if he doesn't take that initiative now I in the beginning when
02:07:11
Chloehe should be showing the most interest if he has less interest in me in the future he's going to show even less effort in the future as well but I also believe if we get to
02:07:23
Chloeknow each other we should be growing our interest in each other so if he does show less interest then again it's not a good match and that's all right and then like should he also pay for the first
02:07:32
Brian Atlasdate I think whoever this kind of goes hand in hand uh well you just said you don't ask for so I mean it's like you just said whoever asks but you've just
02:07:42
Brian Atlascon conceded that you refuse to be the one to ask so it's kind of like de facto the man has to pay then right yeah and in the future when I plan the I'll be this whole like just show of hands on
02:07:54
Brian Atlasthe like paying for first AIDS thing uh who here thinks the guy should pay for the first aid who here thinks whoever asks should pay okay who here asks men
02:08:06
Brian Atlasout uhhuh yeah I mean don't you think this whole like if your position is well whoever asks should pay don't you kind
02:08:14
Brian Atlasof think that uh this this would make sense if men and women asked each other out at similar
02:08:25
Brian Atlasrates but the reality is that's not the case in actuality probably like 99% of first dates are initiated by men so that
02:08:35
Brian Atlaslike who whoever I should pay ignores like the massive Gap that exists between men and women when it comes to initiative so this kind of like seems like another
02:08:47
Chloeway of saying men should pay but what yeah that's exactly actually what's your question but how much time do you take to prepare for a date or before when you used to go on dates how much
02:08:57
Chloetime you mean like getting ready for a date yeah 30 minutes maybe I don't know yeah I think the girls here can say they usually take a long time to get ready for nails what if I give Nails among
02:09:10
Chloeother things yeah what if what if I give you a makeup and nail pass oh yeah of course I take it but other than that like obviously nails cost a lot of money do do you think it
02:09:21
Brian Atlaswait hold on just to be clear do women wear makeup and do nails and hair and all do you do it for men or do you do it for yourselves do you want us to show up on the first date looking
02:09:31
Brian Atlascrusty what but like you should present yourself well but like having like full glam makeup and like perfectly manicured everything
02:09:42
Brian Atlasuh I Nails especially like speaking on the nails thing like do you think granted there are some weirdo dudes out there um um you think a guy's ever like
02:09:53
Brian Atlasbeen on a date with a girl and she had like her nails weren't all mangled and they were just normal nails I think a guy's ever been on a date with a girl and she didn't have like fake nails and
02:10:04
Andrew Wilsonhe's like damn guess I can't guess I can't [ __ ] her now guess I can't what no I think it's more could you extend this anyway like couldn't you just extend it out and say okay well then everything in
02:10:16
Andrew Wilsona man's life uh was done in preparation for this date like you could you could just kind of logically extend this out on both sides as far as you possibly wanted to thing is is that I only did
02:10:27
Andrew Wilsonthis for this date and so therefore you should pay and it's like okay but I did the accumulation of all of my life's work was done for this particular date so therefore you should pay right does
02:10:38
Brian Atlasthat make any sense to you no right make to piggyback on what Andrew's saying like let's say for example uh who here would be attracted to a guy who could
02:10:49
Brian Atlaslike easily defend you in some sort of sort of self-defense situation so like let's say he he either owns a firearm or he's like a uh he's a boxer and he's
02:10:59
Bangs (Anai)spent like 10 years boxing like men always are looking for male validation and women are always looking for women validation I don't think I don't but that's not necessarily true like we but it is true no it's not but just like you
02:11:12
Eric (Osop)you can't you can't men do stuff to impress other men you can't be on Andrew about painting everything with Raad brush and you turn around and do the same thing cuz I don't give a damn another dude think about who I'm with like I don't think men do that that's
02:11:25
Eric (Osop)not true I think I think push to y'all is that but I don't think men care I see a lot of men that look better than the women they with I see a lot of guys in shape with a woman that may not be in the best shape because how they treat her so I don't
02:11:37
TTS Voicethink that's necessarily true for my personal experience don't let them off the hook on answering if they do their nails and make up for men or for themselves Brian how did he totally
02:11:49
Brian Atlasshifted the conversation I don't know how that [ __ ] I turned that [ __ ] off bro what the [ __ ] they're hacking you oh my God [ __ ] Cox is dog [ __ ] yo are we
02:11:59
Brian Atlaschat are we back chat are we back or no is it still scuffed um hold on boys I'm GNA try something we're probably going to are we back boys are we back chat one in the
02:12:12
Brian Atlaschat if we're back one in the chat sorry did we lose the twitch we might have lost the twitch unfortunate hold on let me see if we're still live on twitch
02:12:21
Brian Atlasthough I don't know did it restart the twitch stream oh it did that's [ __ ] [ __ ] it's my
02:12:32
Brian Atlascontact uh my contact hold on I'll just leave it here for a sec sorry guys internet internet's all [ __ ] up boys I'm going to try to fix it I don't know what's going
02:12:43
Brian Atlason uh all right one sec guys I got to go back there and fix that go ahead continue the cono yeah what was you talking about uh talking you was talking that [ __ ] about how all you see all these
02:12:55
Eric (Osop)beautiful women but all these ugly duckling D walking down the street absolutely that's not you got you can't be biased sweetheart you being biased right now I'm sorry my eye really
02:13:06
Eric (Osop)hurts that's crazy that's crazy it y think it's way more beautiful women out here than there attractive guys in the in your everyday life I feel like there's a lot more women who put effort it's also because a lot of effort
02:13:18
Daviayeah what do you define effort but like men you don't have to put that much effort like I me well in your guys' eyes it's effort you know what I mean like eat the cat in Sprint for a woman it's not it's like a PRI it's like an
02:13:31
Bangs (Anai)expectation like getting ready oh if you don't get ready if you just go out and like the like how you just woke up fresh out the shower to men that's like absolutely a no no you need to absolutely get ready because then if you're not ready you're a bum you're
02:13:44
Eric (Osop)whatever you don't pay attention you're lazy get ready mean look presentable to the world it don't mean put on a pound of makeup be ready means you got a clean top some clean shoes your nails is you don't have to be done your nails don't even got to be painted as long as you
02:13:56
Eric (Osop)have naturally like my mother she got pretty nails she don't even got to do all that like you got pretty hands you got pretty hands oh thank you men don't care nothing about men don't care nothing about that so get ready just means show up it doesn't mean you got to
02:14:07
Eric (Osop)be is the worst internet service provider everyone is saying it D I'm glad a lot of I'm glad I like we like the regular [ __ ] because that's what we going to wake up to no yeah and I'm glad we going to wake up to the makeup face
02:14:21
Bangs (Anai)no yeah I'm glad I'm glad you don't care about that like that's honestly a lot of men don't though that's a honestly but you would be surprised a lot of guys are into like the no makeup hair up and like
02:14:31
Bangs (Anai)sweatpants and like men are just so okay you show I've done this to my friends where I show up them a picture of a woman who's wearing makeup and it's a no makeup look and then you ask them are they wearing makeup and they're like no
02:14:43
Bangs (Anai)like no you don't wake up with Rosie ass cheeks and mascara on and men just think like that's oh that's an expectation like women wake up like that no like that's that's you're talking to one right now we do not think that like we
02:14:55
Eric (Osop)don't I'm telling you we don't we like maybe the guys you talk to it depends on the geographic where they live at what they into I don't know but men like you looking naturally pretty because that's the real you I don't want to see the
02:15:07
Eric (Osop)mascara all the time cuz that's not who I'm laying with when I wake up I don't want you look like two different people I have a question for you over lord yo that voice is crazy funny okay so would
02:15:19
Eric (Osop)you say that like when you okay so you would prefer women without makeup so let's say you don't need it cuz some I understand cuz one thing I have learned
02:15:29
Eric (Osop)B's wild giant so if she look in the mirror and she don't like her natural skin complexion and she don't like how she naturally look you you got to she's going to do what she got to do to feel confident if she got a skin problem let's say you what do you how do y'all
02:15:42
Elsiefeel about um is the height thing really a big deal to yall height height no not for me I think it is for me cuz like I like to wear heels heels so if I everybody's
02:15:53
Elsiegoto but if we're dating I would want to be like taking out on dates and have them pay first but then as we continue to date I wouldn't mind offering oh do
02:16:02
Eric (Osop)you want me to pay so I think it's just about being aware of the situation yeah you got to reciprocate I think it's nice when a woman want to kick out sometime I think just having your hand out for
02:16:14
Brian Atlaseverything is a turn off y'all seem like y'all I think we're back um do you know how to re get streamyard fixed
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Brian Atlashuh minimize that yeah hit try
02:16:34
Bangs (Anai)again so how long you only fans H what the [ __ ] how long you been doing only F here uh reload um I don't know since like after the first episode I went on
02:16:44
Eric (Osop)here my first time so like I don't know like 2023 I think oh wow uh oh yeah is it working out for you it's all right but I do want to pursue more here show
02:16:56
Bangs (Anai)me OBS give me OBS more only fans no I want to pursue more like I want to I want to be a hustler you know like I want to be I want to have lots of careers I want to accomplish a lot I want more than one thing yeah I want to
02:17:08
Bangs (Anai)do lots of things like so what's your passion um well I did work with kids a lot I love children me too yeah I think I'm really good with kids think so yeah
02:17:18
Elsiewhat's your uh passion I like kids too um but I like doing PR like things related to social media so that's what I'm trying to like pursue with my major
02:17:29
Bangs (Anai)bet bet what's your passion I don't know like it's I'm still figuring it co so it's a world it's a whole different world like yeah I was going to ask have you dated over here and over there and
02:17:40
Eric (Osop)how is it dating I haven't dated but I've met women on the west coast yeah and I'm going to say that the ones that I've met was a little weird like you know what I'm saying
02:17:52
Eric (Osop)where where in the west coast were you me what city specifically I was in LA you know in LA but they they're very very um not too much
02:18:02
Eric (Osop)extremely extremely liberal you know the ones I have met on the in a dating um environment very very liberal they wanted my opinion on liberal topics that
02:18:14
Eric (Osop)I really don't care about it's like on the first date man yeah man you know what I mean I met a real nice girl we went to V she wanted to know how I felt about certain gender perspectives and it's like I don't want to talk about this man
02:18:27
Eric (Osop)you know what I'm saying not the first night so I feel like women over here seems very very tied to a lot of liberal um views yeah and they want to know how you feel about it going a deal Breer for real could is that a deal breaker free
02:18:41
Eric (Osop)could you date someone who has a complete opposite political stance as you or marry actually is a better word I don't know if I could because it's like say if we I'm personally done with children but if I might want to have a
02:18:53
Eric (Osop)child that might have be an issue cuz it's like okay I believe this and if you believe that I don't want the child to be unevenly yolked and trying to find you know pick which side to go so that might be a deal breaker dating no but
02:19:05
Ashleywhen it comes to joining lives I think yeah definitely so are your views like sorry are you conservative like conservative or are you Christian or like what do your I was raised a
02:19:15
Eric (Osop)Christian and I later on became a Muslim I look at it like this you can do what you want I just don't want to deal with it you know what I'm saying I feel like I don't want to say something is evil or good I just feel
02:19:27
Eric (Osop)like cause and effect I feel like we live in a world where man and woman is the dynamic to create life so if you want to go against that that's your prerogative but you're going against the grain of the vibration of the planet
02:19:39
Eric (Osop)that we on not saying it's good not saying it's bad I don't agree with it if you want to go against that social spiritual grain because that's how you feel go ahead but it just comes with a lot of upheaval like you know what I'm
02:19:51
Eric (Osop)saying so I'm personally are you like the type of guy that would ask a girl's body count on the first date no because I feel like there's no way to really find that out right so do I care if she's been with a bunch of guys
02:20:03
Eric (Osop)absolutely but not to be funny but I don't really believe a woman say yeah I only have five dude it's like okay you know what I'm saying I anything I can't prove I'm not going to waste time trying to figure out so do you believe that she's a virgin I do believe she a virgin you know what I'm saying I do believe
02:20:17
Eric (Osop)both of them are virgins you know what I'm saying but um because of their culture I know that Asian culture is very very structured you know what I'm saying when it's so she could be lying but I'm going give her the benefit of the doubt because how they culture so
02:20:29
Daviayou want to give like the girl that said oh my body counts five like you want to give her the benefit of the doubt depends on who she is um most of the time probably not she's one of those girls on Instagram that take pictures in
02:20:40
Eric (Osop)bikinis I don't believe her right but my thing is this though I'm more concerned I said this on last show I'm more concerned with the type of guys the woman dealt with in the past because to me that tells so would you ask her that
02:20:52
Eric (Osop)like on yeah definitely I that's what I ask I say so how was your last dude what was he like what was he into oh because that that that's going to tell me a lot for example say if I was talking to you
02:21:02
Eric (Osop)if you used to talking to dudes who you say do this do that do that to me that's let me know you're going to expect that from me so I don't expect anything no I'm just saying in general for example like some women some women they deal
02:21:15
Eric (Osop)with guys that might be hyper masculine or extremely passive so if they're used to those Dynamics they're going to expect that from me so who she dealt with before me to me means more than the
02:21:26
Daviaamount of guys she dealt with yeah true true like I think a lot of people I think women also like and like like change like try to experience like different perspectives on men's and like
02:21:38
Daviayou know what I mean like masculine try out masculine men and try out you know other different types of men so they can like see where they're at like when it comes to like what they like and what they that's how you grow your type isn't it yeah cuz it's like if I if you was dealing with a dude who used to deal
02:21:51
Eric (Osop)with a bunch of strippers wouldn't that change when when you feel intimidated to a degree cuz you might not know what he expect from you cuz like if you keep dealing with a bunch of strip type of women stripper type of women what do you expect from me moving forward cuz I'm nothing like her you know what I'm
02:22:04
Daviasaying so I think the type of people we date says a lot more than the amount we did honestly yeah no I would I would honestly if that question was asked about me I would have gone up from that table and walked out cuz I'm like we are living in the present let's live in the present so you see so a man can't ask
02:22:16
Daviayou about your exes no I don't want to talk about it that's in the past let's move on let's move on see I'm going to think you Hing something yeah that's my business why you got I just met you why I mean we getting to know each other yeah but some things like you just like
02:22:29
Bangs (Anai)you know that's my ex you know like we should talk about what we want yeah and I think a lot of girls don't like it when guys talk about their ex I hate that hate that so it's like why should I talk about my ex if I don't want you
02:22:41
Andrew Wilsontalking about your ex I hate that that's going to say so much for all this opening up emotionally huh no but like no one has to talk about who like I don't know if we do Discord I don't know
02:22:52
Brian Atlasif we have the bandwidth for Discord to be honest we can try I I'm our internet is absolutely [ __ ] um I don't know if Andrew can hear us but I think he can I talked yeah
02:23:04
Brian AtlasI can I can hear you guys I'm here so apparently uh we have do we have video on Andrew yeah you can reenable
02:23:14
Andrew Wilsonstreamyard um yeah apparently there's I know you want to go to Chick that's well yeah I mean that's uh that's totally fine if um you know if the if the
02:23:25
Andrew Wilsoninternet bogs down too bad or whatever we still have uh we still have three shows left um we can we can just do it that way yeah I'm we'll we'll let it go
02:23:34
Brian Atlasfor a little bit um I had to so apparently Cox is down Statewide Cox
02:23:41
Brian AtlasInternet it's not just us down Statewide wow um I uh figured that out we switched
02:23:50
Brian Atlasover to to our backup internet which is not ideal optimal not ideal but we'll try to continue but in the event that there's any further hiccups just so we
02:24:03
Brian Atlaspreserve our bandwidth Andrew we're going to have to just completely uh exit out of Discord because it's just going to consume too much no problem and we'll we'll send the raid over from The
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Brian AtlasCrucible these things happen yeah and un I was trying to get it it it was working for a bit then it stopped cuz I was trying to get back our hardwired internet but it's just out out Statewide
02:24:24
Brian Atlasso we're back to our secondary internet I do apologize to uh everybody who uh who was on the loading screen for I don't know it took us maybe 20 or 30
02:24:35
Brian Atlasminutes but uh we are back we do have one or two chats that I would like to uh get to while we're here we have Lucas thank you for the uh for the uh streamlabs donation man really
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Brian Atlasappreciated it he says no I don't ambulance Chase I'm a commercial real estate attorney in New York City I was a giga Chad now I'm just stuck with a midlife vanity crisis but I still bench
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Brian Atlas300 lb and he is still the prize commercial real estate attorney he's just being humble he does handle
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Brian AtlasDUI's murder I need you and is he trolling got three years probation some other stuff so Lucas W's in the chat for Lucas guys we have uh
02:25:18
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02:25:41
Eric (Osop)AB not like I got to do it but sex and intimacy is not hard but they do think about it like I mean you're We're Men you know what I'm saying like if you're an attractive woman and we cool it's
02:25:53
Eric (Osop)going to cross my mind but I think uh it's just a matter of having ability to turn tone that down but to pretend like oh my friend would never yeah he would he just mature enough not to act on it but I think women lie to theirself when
02:26:05
Eric (Osop)they think oh my girlfriend don't like me like that you crazy as hell he'll do it he just can still be with your friends be friends with you despite doing that but don't think he won't yes he will yeah and I think this also like
02:26:16
Bangs (Anai)kind of leads into the conversation of like women have the power to like make that are in control of that happening because as you said like men like the guy friend he like he definitely would
02:26:29
Bangs (Anai)hook up with you so yeah that the woman is the one that's in power like in charge and the one that's in power of like okay like are we friends or are we going are we going to be like something more than that you know if she likes
02:26:40
Eric (Osop)them you know what I'm saying but all men would would would crack their friend yeah just sometimes care what he tells you they just don't act on it basically yeah he just don't act on it but he does yeah because sometimes sometimes having a female friend get you girls yeah you
02:26:54
Elsieknow what I'm saying you just pop out with your female friend she cute you know not other girls want to talk you just cuz she with you so or you could have the female friend go up to girls and be like oh like talk good about you basically I know guys yeah that happens
02:27:05
Elsiea lot at part clubs or whatever wait would to do what like if you have a girlfriend like a friend who's a girl and then they go up to certain people like oh you see that one over there yeah like he's really cute I heard you like
02:27:17
Bangs (Anai)like talk them up basically oh that's okay that's nice I like that little pick and roll okay I never did that might to try that I know I definitely played a role in some of my friends like guy friends like their I don't think that
02:27:30
Eric (Osop)help that'll work for us though I think if a dude went up to another girl like yo my man yo he's pretty she ain't going to give a damn what you talk about that's true too I don't think I don't think most women like it when the friend
02:27:40
Daviadoes it for you like why can't you come up yeah yeah like have have you ever had like one of your exes or situationships ever go for your friends after you it's
02:27:51
Daviaover thank God no but I fear for the day that happen relationship I've had it does because that means like situationships is like I I I what I take the term is it's like someone you're just talking to and
02:28:04
Daviayou're talking with them like like every day that's a situationship and like you're building that like date you're getting to that dating status basically that's I think that's what it is so it's really important that like I know CU
02:28:16
Brian Atlasmind you you introduced them and stuff like all right so guys I believe about it I believe the internet issues should be fixed absent another Cox
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Brian AtlasCommunications internet outage I do apologize for the interruption it should be 100% fixed right now the connection looks good on the r end let me just ask
02:28:36
Brian Atlasthe chat though chat refresh the stream sounds like only uh is it okay guys chat is it okay I think it should be fixed
02:28:46
Brian Atlasnow uh I think we'll be able to get Andrew back in here pretty soon but one in the chat if it is good one in the chat if the stream is looking good no it really is somebody told me I have a
02:28:57
Brian Atlasnegative entity following me Pro it's definitely I'm not even lying it's defin it's definitely the bro what the fu January 4th it's coming oh it's back up again oh it's back is it back oh it's
02:29:09
Brian Atlasback again boys holy [ __ ] absolutely scuffed this is for Cox's internet that's a [ __ ] dkp minus what the [ __ ] was
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Bangs (Anai)[ __ ] dude [ __ ] [ __ ] you're dog [ __ ] I didn't even know that can I ask a question real quick about the internet that was me bro haven heard of it in so long so when it goes down when you're like oh it's down in sound that means
02:29:32
Brian Atlasit's like cut off completely everywhere like no one can see us um or it's still streaming somewhere cuz you you're saying Discord and then I'm getting confused it could be streaming but like we're still recording the episode so
02:29:43
Brian Atlaslike when this goes up the playback maybe not on YouTube but the whatever the people seeing it live can't see it but the people that will see it on YouTube later will be sometimes YouTube will cut th those parts out but like
02:29:55
Brian Atlaswe're still recording the full like everything that's going on even during the outages it's still recording so if whatever we put out on Spotify for example everything will go on Spotify I don't know how it's going to look on
02:30:07
Brian AtlasYouTube sometimes it'll like basically remove chunks of stuff so we will yo chat one in the chat if it's okay now one in the chat if it's okay now uh we're going to get right back into the
02:30:19
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Brian Atlasif you're in a different area and you there's a choice besides Cox get whatever the other choice is Frontier internet I don't care what whatever it is anyways I'm going to get um I don't know we're I'm going to see about
02:31:08
Brian Atlasstarlink after this because that was ridiculous uh very unfortunate very un I have a backup internet people are saying Brian why don't you get we have a backup internet and it's a like Verizon 5G or something like I don't know what
02:31:21
Brian Atlasit is exactly whatever who cares we're going to I'm going to look into starlink okay let's get back into the show let's get back into the show we'll try to call Andrew a little bit later I do want to give it a bit of time to you know figure itself out so okay we're going through
02:31:33
Daviathe notes I we're going to Chloe is it okay if she she answer if she answers my question I asked earlier about what about what the uh friend like when like situationships or your
02:31:46
Elsieex-boyfriend has gone with your friends after that situation was over I wanted to hear what she had to say though okay go ahead okay I'll show really quick um but basically he like messed with her and then I brought it up I was like oh I'm not comfortable with
02:31:58
Brian Atlasit and then he continued to be friends with her I was like okay and then yeah it was just bad I stop talking to him though Sor worry okay uh so going back into the
02:32:09
Brian Atlasnotes time period to ask someone on the first date I think we were I think pretty much got through that entire conversation uh you also wanted to talk about age gaps the G the age Gap between
02:32:20
Brian Atlas21 and 24 is way different from 26 and 29 uh so what what exactly is your thing on age gaps Chloe just for that specific
02:32:29
Chloelike 21 versus 24 versus so 24y old is too old to be dating a 21y old yes because the life experience that you have generally speaking everybody has their own experience and timeline but
02:32:42
Chloeonce you turn 24 you're done with college you're like into a year of paying your own bills a year of working and everything versus 21 how long yall spending in college I don't know some people can't you be done at 21 with
02:32:54
Chloecollege and even better um but usually 21 years old they just turned 21 especially in America there's a lot they're still in college they're still learning a lot about themselves about
02:33:04
Chloeothers and I think 24 is dating somebody who is 24 is such a major Gap in experience that I believe they should experience themselves versus say 26 to
02:33:17
Chloe29 you've been out of college for a few years you've worked a few years you can you can what's the word what's the word like connect a lot
02:33:28
Chloeeasier because you've been years into your work experience career everything and obviously this is me as a person career is important in addition to everything else I've said so for me I
02:33:40
Chloethink if I was dating first of all I'm not dating somebody younger than me but I think if somebody was 26 and 29 that would make
02:33:50
Brian Atlasway more sense to me than 21 and 24 that's my thoughts on it uh anybody else here agree with that
02:33:59
Brian Atlasuh 21 and 24 is too big of an age Gap me no you have objections there no I agree with Chloe right yeah you have objections if there was anybody else think that's too much of an age Gap I
02:34:11
Eric (Osop)don't I don't I I don't think that's I think that's a great um a great um experience Gap because at 24 you're still not really old like that and you're fresh removed from what the 21y
02:34:23
Eric (Osop)old is going through so you still relatable to them but you're not so old that you can't connect to them on you know a vain level so I think that's a
02:34:32
Chloegreat uh age Gap I think they can help each does a lot I think for that in that area I totally understand where you're coming from for for me if I was getting a 21y old and I was talking about my
02:34:44
Chloeboss was so terrible she made me cry she is not terrible she does not make me cry dating a younger guy I think it's different that way yeah that way is different we're not connecting on the
02:34:55
Eric (Osop)same thing but I think a man if a woman's 24 and 21 year old man yes a 20 and it still depends but for the most part I agree but a 24 year old man I think can date a 21y old woman I think that's a healthy age Gap cuz he can put
02:35:07
Eric (Osop)up on game but he ain't too much older until she feel like that's her father yeah you know it's like he she looks up to him more than it's like you know you're my big brother type you know what I'm saying we'll get into the we'll get
02:35:18
Brian Atlasinto some of the AG Gap stuff a little bit later but uh we can add that uh date you said dating apps are great for lining up dates but takes a big part of getting to know a person away if you
02:35:30
Brian Atlaswant to date your type you have to become your types type yes so those are two different things D apps okay um if you want to date your type you have to become your types type I am not my types type I can
02:35:43
Chloesay that right now with great confidence but what's your types type so physically speaking like buzzcut tattoos I'm not my Ty type that's totally okay I see okay yeah totally get it but and so the guys
02:35:55
Chloethat I've dated I've been going for more like confidence um consideration spatial awareness spal it's a good it's a unique one it's a unique say something real quick do do
02:36:08
Eric (Osop)you think that's the downside of social media when it comes to male and female that it has made us not appreciate what we normally wouldn't get like we all trying to search for like the home run like you said you feel like
02:36:19
Eric (Osop)you not types type it's like I think that's what social media did it's like well Chris Brown is right there someone so is right there I can just click on they it's like I think it just made us forget just the everyday person and try to just go to the exact that goes
02:36:32
Elsieepitome of what we want it goes back to what she was saying about like how back then they were only able to find like two baddies but now it's like 100 baddies in yeah physically and I wanted
02:36:42
Bangs (Anai)to add I feel like also now too it's like everybody is so used to instant pleasure and instant gratification where it almost seems like and this goes for
02:36:52
Bangs (Anai)both men and women I'm not just saying men but sometimes not certain things okay I don't know how to explain it but sometimes things aren't enough for everybody like I feel like it's all the
02:37:04
Bangs (Anai)time where it's not enough like no matter what you have you can have it all you can have the perfect relationship you can have everything but at the same time it's not enough for them everyone's looking for something that they can't have you know could we always got another option with Internet it's always
02:37:17
Eric (Osop)somebody better it's always somebody Rich it's always a girl better it's like we're not satisfied I'm try and I think that swiping has made that issue too like I don't want that I literally and I said
02:37:28
Eric (Osop)this on other show I've literally seen girls in the club like act like they're swiping it's like no you're in real life you can't just swipe a person away from you like they be like oh get out of it's like they that swipe mentality even when
02:37:39
Eric (Osop)you look at that balloon dating show I think dating apps are becoming reality like it's like they they're trying to turn reality into a dating app now you go and see a show just a balloon po it's just everything is being turned
02:37:51
Eric (Osop)into a swipe culture in reality instead of just getting to know somebody so think that's why like when social media is like you have so many more options it's that's why you have like cheating has gotten so much easier now you know
02:38:03
Bangs (Anai)what I mean it's like CU you have access to the internet and I wanted to say too it's like so different when it's like obviously it's adulthood and childhood but I remember being a child and like literally getting crushes on like my death partner you know because it's like
02:38:16
Bangs (Anai)they're right there I'm like talking to them I'm like attracted to their personality and the way they act and it's now it's like it's just based off look and looks and I know it sounds superficial but when I was younger it's
02:38:28
Bangs (Anai)always it's it had always been about personality and like you know like the way they act the way their mannerisms are it didn't really matter like honestly I had the worst taste when I
02:38:39
Bangs (Anai)was in high school and now I feel like the older I've gotten it's like I'm I feel a little bit more superficial you know like so maybe you had good taste back then and bad tast I care more about
02:38:50
Bangs (Anai)looks because I feel like I don't really go out too much and I don't see like a lot of guys I'm usually mostly on Tinder and hinge like you know just like not basing it's not like I can see their
02:39:00
Brian Atlaspersonality I'm just basing them off a freaking picture they posted you know um we're going to move on to the next notes here while I was gone somebody said something about a beard who said
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Daviathat was it you what did you say you want to touch you wanted to what touch his beard your beard you want to touch my beard yeah cuz it just you were like holding it and it just looks so it looks
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Daviaso full I just want to run my fingers through it e i was I okay what the no cuz it just looks so clean and like this looks soft I mean what the [ __ ] that's what I was thinking oh my God I had an
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Brian Atlasintrusive thought and I said it out loud I apologize next question a com hey yeah all right thank you I guess the Beard's looking okay all
02:39:46
Brian Atlasright appreciate it thank you dark a appreciate it okay so let's get into uh Ashley your notes you were engaged at 19 Ashley yeah you got a dog a car
02:39:58
Ashleyapartment and he did what what do you mean I'm promp like what happened yeah that was a prompt oh I'm so sorry um to cut a very long story
02:40:09
Ashleyshort I I fell in love when I was 19 and I wanted I always wanted to be a mom and I've always wanted to get married young so when the opportunity presented itself
02:40:20
Ashleyin our relationship to get married we kind of went for it cuz when you're young you know just do things like that and um I moved out I didn't tell my
02:40:30
Ashleyparents I was leaving I wrote them a three-page letter and I left and uh I got lonely so I got a dog and then we needed a new car so we got a car put it
02:40:40
Ashleyunder my name got an apartment uh we moved like an hour away and then uh we were living in the well we were living in an apartment I was still working two
02:40:51
Ashleyjobs and then he uh quit his job but we only moved over there cuz he got a job over there and so I was working to provide for what we now had to pay for and um while I was doing that he was
02:41:02
Brian Atlascheating on me so I uh yeah so you guys were engaged um you moved out at 19 you guys had a dog car apartment uh but he didn't just cheat on you once he cheated
02:41:14
Ashleyon you multiple times is that correct multiple with with different women or just one woman oh different women different women uh but you went you knew the girl um I only knew her because I went
02:41:26
Ashleylooking like after I found out who he was shooting on me with all right and uh were they actually like like was it like intercourse carnal knowledge okay yeah yeah but some treating as like DMS and
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Ashleystuff yeah he would p and the V was it P and the V uh p and the V from what I know two of them were but uh other time like he would just talk to people on the
02:41:48
Brian Atlasside sure there was other other sorts of cheating too and you found out he sent uh he he wait with the high school girl well wait like the girl he knew from
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Ashleyhigh school right okay he tried to Father her baby yeah what like he was trying to get her pregnant no no no she already had a baby and so when I reached
02:42:11
Ashleyout to her like to see like I wanted her side the story and she was like yeah um he like takes me and my baby out like on dates and he's like telling me that he could step up and be a father figure and
02:42:22
Ashleyall this stuff while I was at home oh jail Dad his dad that stepped up never and he you found out he was sending letters like written like
02:42:32
Ashleywritten got engaged because he joined the military and uh he when he was in boot camp he was sending me letters and he was also sending other women letters rip did you stay with him you know I
02:42:45
Ashleydon't believe okay I don't believe in giving up on people that I love but I tried to make it work after but um it's a real woman there stays by your side even if you well like I out after I
02:42:57
Ashleyfound out but after like I mean I I dedicated a lot of time to this man and I like wanted to give him the not the benefit of Doubt but I just didn't want to give up on something I spent so much time on so do you have like a three strike rule or something no I mean after
02:43:10
Brian Atlaswe got back together and I realized he wasn't going to change I let it go but and you said that uh let's see here uh you recently this year got ghosted by a
02:43:21
Brian Atlasdifferent man out of the blue who was the love of your life yeah he still is still huh Jes how long were you dating him I guess
02:43:32
Ashleyum I hate the term situationship but I guess that's what it really ended up being but I mean would you consider I met his family and his like I stayed with I don't know wait so hold on when
02:43:43
Ashleydid you meet him we met last year in May and then you saw him for how long um we were seeing each other for 3 days before it hit a year so like May of 2024 to yeah to yeah
02:43:56
Brian Atlaswhen's the last time you saw him in person in February I flew to go see him oh it was long distance it was long distance I see was Nebraska no when's the last time you
02:44:06
Ashleyuh talked to him um funny story today uh no he um I texted him last in May and he just never responded but last May yeah I didn't I didn't want it to end I didn't
02:44:18
Ashleyknow it was going to end and then it just ended wait so he ghosted you yes so you and you guys had been dating for how long well I met him in May and then um we had been talking for a while and uh
02:44:30
Ashleywe saw each other for the first time 3 months after and then about I've saw him person maybe like five or six times okay and would you always fly to him um so he's actually from California but uh the
02:44:42
Ashleyfirst time he came back home cuz he's also in the military and he came back home for a little bit I saw him and and he came to La I met his mom we hung out and then he came back in August I met
02:44:54
Ashleyhis sisters cuz one of them got married and then he came back well he got a motorcycle accident in November um so he was kind of crippled for a little while so he came back home in his hometown's 8
02:45:05
Ashleyhours away from where I live so I drove 8 hours to go see him after Christmas and then in February I planned to he was supposed to get out in January but since
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Ashleythe accident it got pushed back to April so I flew to go see him in February okay and that's the last time you saw him in person that was the last time I saw him in person and they was both in the Army uh yes wait you saw him in the
02:45:27
Ashleyhospital no no no I saw him after like he got out and everything he he flew back home because it was his Christmas I and then uh you guys but after you saw him in person was you guys were still
02:45:39
Brian Atlascommunicating by text or whatever yeah we would talk every single day so when's the last time you actually heard from him you said May yeah May was there like a breakup conversation or just
02:45:50
Ashleyeverything normal and then you send a message and you just never responds uh well towards like the end of April he had called me and told me he was no longer getting out in April and uh he
02:46:02
Ashleysaid he was not going to get out to October and long distance I mean we had have been doing it for almost a year so it was kind of I mean it's hard I want my person to be here with me but I I
02:46:11
Ashleyloved him so I love him so I was doing whatever it took and um I I don't know I had this feeling like I just need to take a step back cuz I we weren't officially dating but we basically were
02:46:22
Ashleythere without the title and I just he wasn't giving me the title like I wanted and I didn't want to push for it cuz I don't know men don't like to be pushed but I just didn't want to so um
02:46:35
Ashleybasically what ended up happening was I we had a conversation after that phone call um and I told them look I love you but I'm going to take a step back cuz I feel like that's you know I don't want to hold you back I didn't know what I was going to hold him back from I just didn't want to hold him back from
02:46:48
Ashleyanything and we came to mutual agreement that when he came back in October we would try um to date and oh so you initiated a
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Ashleybreak no I I mean that's how it sounds like to me I mean it wasn't I guess yes but I didn't want it to be a break and we would still end wait who in you
02:47:07
Ashleyinitiated the convo yes so you initiated a break but you didn't want a break no because he was he was moving in a way do you feel like he should he just you just Bas he was answering me right it was
02:47:19
Ashleylike 24 hours he wouldn't respond and and I brought it up because we're not dating and I I don't know I feel like this weird position when like you're not dating someone officially and I feel like nagging at them like I don't know I don't know it was just a weird situation
02:47:32
Ashleyyou can't yeah you can't nag I don't yeah so it was just a weird situation and so I told him but after that we spent a whole month talking exactly the same like absolutely nothing changed and then one day he just you all was intimate yes caral caral knowledge
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Eric (Osop)carinal knowledge no I I don't think that's a mess up it was I mean be honest if you give your body up without the if you once you give your body without the officially you my girl you playing with fire because he like I don't have
02:47:58
Eric (Osop)nothing to work you take away his incentive yeah I mean a lot of things but it's like you knowes if you not with her and you you not together you did that with him yeah I set yourself up for
02:48:09
Brian Atlasfailure I really loved him I really do you get away from army cast [ __ ] some coast guards got be very careful with the chyia what are you saying sorry I don't know but
02:48:19
Brian AtlasHIV is still around although that's been combed fairly well with medicine yeah after he ghosted me um I kind of lost it UTI not necessarily an STD but they can
02:48:30
Brian Atlashappen when engaging in those sorts of uh all right um and so okay but hold on yes you haven't talked to him in like
02:48:39
Brian Atlassix months eight eight months and he's still the love of your life yes very much wait have you been have you been have you seen anybody else since then
02:48:51
AshleyI've tried but every person I tried to see I told them about him and that I was still not over someone told them and I would give them the dagger in the heart
02:48:59
Brian Atlaswait have you had carnal have you had carnal knowledge with anybody else no okay that is [ __ ] up though you should
02:49:11
Brian Atlasget over him he's uh he's younger than me oh my God cougar cougar chck some milk cougar over here damn okay but I just I I still love him and I don't hold
02:49:24
Ashleyanything against him there's no bad blood I think that he just has a lot of growing up to do and I think I have the mindset that I want to be a mom and a wife and I think for someone was he cheating on
02:49:33
Ashleyyou no I don't know military guy yeah he has was he like was he overseas um he no not when we were together but what happened was he uh after he goes to me I deleted social media and I didn't go on
02:49:46
Ashleyfor a whole month because I didn't want I like cried that one so I just didn't want to be seeing anything and when I got back on and I saw his like stories and stuff he had a girlfriend
02:49:56
Ashleyso so uh I he just and maybe he just how did you guys meet originally Tik Tok oh like you slid into his DMS or yeah I saw him on Tik Tok live and I didn't ever click on anybody's live but I thought he
02:50:08
Ashleywas like the most attractive person I ever seen in my life how many followers uh he has like 60,000 what's he do he's in the military no like on Tik Tok oh oh he just post
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Unknownmilitary content so you hit him up you initiated everything yeah did you yeah how many um of all the you said you met six times in person yes would you you went to see him right yes every single
02:50:34
Ashleytime technically yes no when he came the first time he came to see me the first time so he flew to see you well he flew back home his home's here did you like his home's California