BANGS RETURNS?! Rachel Wilson CRASHES Show?! 2 VlRGlNS Age 25/27?! Andrew Wilson! | Dating Talk #219
Date: 2024-12-09
Duration: 8h 08m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_01Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_02Ashley(guest)
SPEAKER_03Carissa(guest)
SPEAKER_04Elsie(guest)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Eric (Osop)(guest)
SPEAKER_09Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_10Chloe(guest)
SPEAKER_11Michelle(guest)
SPEAKER_13Davia(guest)
SPEAKER_14Bangs (Anai)(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:08
IntroBrian opens show — "welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape"
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:06:15
IntroBangs intro — cannot share her location, does OnlyFans, going back to school for real estate at SBCC
“um an 22 years old I'm from I don't want to share my location... you do only fans yeah... going back in January for real estate”
00:25:31
RelationshipMichelle reveals she is a virgin at 25 — "I haven't slept with anyone"
“long you been celibate for right now the whole time... I haven't slept with anyone oh you're a virgin yeah”
00:33:33
RelationshipChloe (27) reveals she is also a virgin — not religious, just not comfortable yet
“so are you also a virgin like your friend or okay all right... I just don't feel comfortable with it”
01:15:00
ControversyAndrew Wilson vs Bangs clash — Andrew accuses Bangs of controlling conversation, Bangs calls Andrew "broken"
“calm down calm down... you're you're broken you're a broken you're a broken boy”
01:22:09
QuoteAndrew Wilson on why men are with women: "they're mostly with women because they really want to f*** them"
“they're mostly with women because they really want to [__] them that's honestly why most men”
01:28:50
ControversyBangs vs Andrew clash — Bangs tells Andrew he was "bottle fed", flat head insult; Andrew fires back about her weight
“you were bottle fed weren't you... you need to lose about 50 okay look we all got our roles here”
03:38:00
OtherAndrew Wilson rejoins after power outage — wearing same flannel, greeted as a legend by Brian
“we are getting Andrew Wilson back on the show after an unfortunate power... my Caucasian Andrew Wilson back in the building did is that a new flannel”
03:40:00
QuoteRating round begins — Bangs immediately rates herself a 10
“everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of one to 10 bangs go ahead 10”
03:46:57
QuoteBrian rates himself a 5 in the rating round
“I give myself a five”
04:03:03
Key MomentRachel Wilson crashes show via Discord to defend Andrew — "I'm happy to come on and say hello"
“okay Rachel the floor is yours you can come on down... oh hello hi everybody hey hi hi come to friend hi”
04:07:00
QuoteRachel Wilson on her own looks at 44: "I rated myself a five and Andrew rates me a six"
“I rated myself a five and everybody always gets upset with Andrew cuz he rates me a six and I'm like I think he's giving me just a a hair more than I deserve”
04:13:30
ControversyRachel Wilson vs Bangs — Rachel tells Bangs she's "already hit her Peak" doing OnlyFans at 22
“you're 22 and you're on only fans and you've already hit your Peak and you're plenty happy to be ro... you have been so rude on this show bang”
04:27:48
QuoteRachel Wilson on motherhood: "95% of the time you'll ever get to spend with your kids is gone by the time they turn 18"
“95% of the time you'll ever get to spend with your kids is gone by the time they turn 18 and you don't ever get that time back”
05:23:00
OtherBangs (Anai) leaves the show at ~5:38 after feminist/suffrage debate — Andrew bids her farewell
“well with that bangs it was nice talking to you actually and I hope you have a good evening um truly... bye Andrew thank send send over ra Andrew hope you have a good night”
05:24:00
OtherAndrew Wilson leaves show — Brian thanks him after ~5.5 hours on air
“thank you good night Andrew and uh we're going to try to get through this questionnaire as quick as possible”
08:01:32
QuoteBrian describes ideal number of sons: "seven sons would be pretty good... we got a dynasty son"
“seven kids would be pretty good like maybe pump out like seven sons would be good... we got a dynasty son that's what that's what I'm trying to do”
08:03:00
QuoteEric on the "arrows and quiver" Bible verse and having a daughter
“sons born in one's Youth and there's more to it... I had a daughter so I guess I got a slingshot”
Topics Discussed
00:00:00
Introductions & Show Setup
Brian opens the show with announcements, TTS Monster demonstration (which bugs out triggering YouTube superchats), and World of Warcraft guild promotion. Guests introduce themselves going around the table.
00:06:40
Relationship Status & Relationship History
Brian goes around table asking each guest about relationship status, longest relationships, and how long they have been single. Discovery that Michelle (25) and Chloe (27) are virgins. Discussion of Michelle's celibacy strategy — avoids attachment.
00:37:00
Russian Men vs American Men (Viral TikTok Reaction)
Brian plays and reacts to a viral TikTok about Russian men vs American men, sparking discussion on preferences for masculine vs soft men among the panel.
00:46:40
Types, Physical Preferences & Dealbreakers
Panel discusses physical and personality types each guest is attracted to. Height requirements, tattoos, dealbreakers like cheating. Brian asks each guest their physical type.
01:20:00
Male Emotional Vulnerability Debate
Extended debate sparked by Andrew Wilson and the female panel on whether men should open up emotionally and be vulnerable. Andrew argues men are at a disadvantage because women weaponize emotional intel via gossip/slander. Female panelists counter that vulnerability builds connection. Eric provides nuanced take. Bangs and Andrew clash repeatedly with insults.
03:40:00
Rating Round
Chat request to rate own looks 1-10 (cannot pick 7). Bangs rates herself 10. Elsie 7-8. Michelle 7. Davia 10 (then says she got an 8 from someone). Chloe 6.5. Brian 5 (self). Andrew rejoins after power outage and rates himself 10. Bangs refuses to rate Andrew objectively due to personal conflict.
04:03:00
Rachel Wilson Crashes Show
Andrew Wilson's wife Rachel Wilson joins via Discord to defend Andrew against accusations of being rude to women. Rachel (44yo, 5 kids) addresses each panelist, criticizes Bangs for her "only fans / peak fertility" lifestyle, defends Andrew's behavior, and lectures the panel on feminist brainwashing, boss-babe culture, declining birth rates, and the importance of motherhood. Extended exchange with Chloe on California economics.
04:10:00
Boss Babe & Birth Rate Collapse Debate
Rachel Wilson leads discussion on how feminist propaganda has led women to be less happy by every metric (higher alcoholism, loneliness, lower birth rates). Panel debates the cost of living in California and whether dual-income is necessary. Rachel shares her own story of sacrificing career for family.
05:15:00
Feminism Deep Dive with Bangs
Brian re-engages Bangs (who stayed later) for a 10-minute discussion on feminism and women's suffrage. Andrew argues women who pushed for suffrage made a mistake. Bangs defends feminist principles. Eventually Andrew bids Bangs goodnight and she leaves the show.
05:25:00
Height Requirements & Bear vs Man Question
Brian goes around table asking each guest's height and minimum/ideal height for a partner. Follows with the viral "man or bear in forest" question — most panel picks bear. Discussion of why.
06:15:00
Can Women Be Sexist / Racist Towards Men / White People
Brian presents debate questions: Can women be sexist toward men? Can people be racist toward white people? Bangs struggles with her own "prejudice + power" definition applied to a female Kamala Harris janitor scenario. Panel divided.
06:56:40
Dating App Stories & Online Dating Experiences
Panel shares online dating stories, including Michelle's viral TikTok story of a terrible first Tinder date in college who became famous. Discussion of catfishing and authenticity.
07:30:00
Closing Questions & Wrap-Up
Final questionnaire rounds — how long should a man last in bed, religion as dealbreaker, Brian's requirements in a partner, Eric's preference for a homebody nerdy girl. Brian closes show, raids Frost Adamus on Twitch (World of Warcraft orc warrior). Final TTS superchats read.
Transcript
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00:55:39
Brian Atlaslike [ __ ] this [ __ ] oh then [ __ ] this [ __ ] well that would suck I don't know that would suck that would suck yeah but he's perfect in every other way well not perfect enough I guess perfect
00:55:51
Brian Atlaseverything else but he just doesn't listen to what do you listen to uh listen what's your go to right now radio head de tones okay de tones de tones oh okay all right I thought she was going
00:56:03
Brian Atlasto say like Britney Spears or something or like rap do you do rap or just like oh she's like Pearl Jam I like aliceon chains I like I love Alice and chains
00:56:14
DaviaStone Temple Pilots I don't know them all right get on it okay get on it get with the program all right aravia what's up um my type like I have preference which are Asians but honestly i' would
00:56:26
Daviago for anything but I also like men that are mean but not mean to me but mean to other people but nice to you yeah because I'm a very I'm very dominant in
00:56:35
Daviawhen it comes to relationships so I have to like also have um kind of a man that is also could be a submissive I should say I should say yeah but so it's like
00:56:48
Daviayeah but not like that it's just very someone like I'm like go do that and they'll just go do it like a golden retriever boyfriend yeah like a little p yes yes that's how I am but like I wanted to be like that in public he's
00:57:00
Davianot like that in public he's more like he like he'll tell someone to [ __ ] off you know what I mean he's dominant like a man who has a soft for you tough with everybody else but your little your little pet not my pet I was like I would just
00:57:12
Eric (Osop)like I want a man to do anything I tell them to do but that then he's not a man then no he's my man but a man but a but I'm saying but a man a man don't just do what you say okay guess I I okay I like
00:57:23
Daviato wear the pants in the relationship that's what I like to say but that's I don't think that's what a man would like a real man ain't going to do that yeah okay well that's not my problem I will find the right one but I will actually I
00:57:36
Andrew Wilsondo have the red one right now temporarily temporarily wait I thought you said you were single I am single is it the five you do realize that the count that the opposite of wearing the pants in the relationship means that the
00:57:48
Andrew Wilsonother person's wearing the dress in the relationship right like that's what that means is that yeah but like I only as like a metaphor like I don't like yeah I know I'm telling you the entailment of the metaphors that if you wear the pants the relationship you're saying whoever
00:57:59
Andrew Wilsonyou're with where's the dress that that's that's why that's started to kind of the Dan to the relationship that means your dude wears the dress that's what that means
00:58:11
Daviaokay but yeah no I just like I just like I'm dominant like people you know what I mean I just I just am but I'm like I feel like if anything he'll look good in the dress So and some guys like that I
00:58:23
Eric (Osop)would I literally I promise you if I told someone to put put a dress on they would put a dress on some guys like that stuff no it's just the truth is excuse me it's because you're attractive so a lot of dudes don't stand on real business so they feel like since she's
00:58:36
Eric (Osop)cute I'll acquest to her because they rather deal with you than to be by their self but real men ain't going for that [ __ ] I'm I'm just telling you what it is ain't no real man going to do that but a lot of pretty girls you have that
00:58:48
Bangs (Anai)privilege where a lot of guys they're scared to lose you so they'll do whatever you tell them to do I have something to add okay so everybody likes argue oh a real man won't do this a real
00:58:58
Bangs (Anai)man won't do that um a 25-year-old is a man I'm not going to call him otherwise that is a man that is a grown ass man I'm not call him a boy
00:59:09
Eric (Osop)I'm not going to call him anything else that's a grown ass man bi biologically a man isn't a metaphor no but we talking about what a man listen if you a 25y old man and you let somebody come and push you in the face yeah you're a man biologically but you're not a man in
00:59:22
Eric (Osop)real life so what I'm telling you is a real man who really has dominance really wants to have some type of authority is not going to let his girl just tell him what to do and ultimately she's not going to even get but it's not about telling them what to do going Bas I'm
00:59:35
Eric (Osop)talking about that that's that's what you're saying she said dominate so Dominate and compromise two different words so based on her definition dominant and compromising I can also be I can be you're also talking from a woman's
00:59:46
Daviaperspective as well but you're also Tak I'm I'm pretty sure you're describing your own personality right as the man you are right no I'm saying in just in general like men that I know that quote unquote are what women are yeah
00:59:59
Daviawomen that are the type of men that y'all like that you're attracted to are not going to let you do that now that's why wouldn't they I'm like I'm basically I'm their woman they should do what I'm to make me happy happy happy wife happy
01:00:11
Daviahome what the fu no happy F happy us it ain't just about y'all it's about exactly but at the end of the day it's they could do whatever they want but they're at the like if I'm with them and they're with me and like because I like
01:00:23
Daviasomething and out of respect they will do that for example opening a door simply because it's respectful yeah that's regular [ __ ] but you said dominate that's different and not dominate like I'm not [ __ ] pegging a dude like that's you got to be care some
01:00:35
Eric (Osop)D like that [ __ ] I want to try it she wants to try it see you want to try that you want I'm experimental hold on go ahead that's a real man no we want men who act like men but what she's trying
01:00:48
Eric (Osop)to say is like a soft spot a man who has a soft spot for her and who listens to her she just escalated to pegging so what I'm saying I'm just saying I hear I understand compromise I understand it's a team it's
01:01:01
Davianot all about the man it's not all about the woman but some women want to break a man and want to dominate him what do you mean and they're looking telling you what I mean I didn't say you did it just sound like I I have a dominant personality and it's have a dominance
01:01:14
Davialike Rel and you want to try the PGA dude like that's I said I want to try it who like I that's because I I'm experimental like I literally have tried I just feel like any dude that lets you do that it's a different kind of guy man I don't know if that's a masculine man
01:01:25
TTS DonationsI'm sorry BR if you love the [ __ ] you would do it too $2 Che five you have no assets physically to be demanding so much sit
01:01:38
Daviadown and mind your business you want to respond like what am I asking for so much I literally just ask for a man that is sensitive or and has ability to literally listen I guess but that's just
01:01:51
Daviathat's just my how I have a preference and it worked out with me till till today so real is that is that a deal breaker if he don't want to get pegged by you would you leave him for that no absolutely it's not like a thing it's like yes I like assertive men I do but
01:02:03
Daviait has to be also a boundary where I'm not going to be I'm don't tell me what to do cuz you're not that's not where we're going to roll with that like you say you going to tell him what to do yes because I I'm very yes like I'm I'm a very assertive but I can also be very
01:02:16
Daviasubmissive submissive but like I'm when it comes to that like don't tell me to go do the dishes cuz I'm not doing that I will go tell your ass go do it so what do you tell him to do I would no I would tell like for example like I would I
01:02:28
Daviawould literally just be like hey go go grab my laundry or like I would like hey you go start the washer like T so why you can't say go do the dishes what's the difference because like I like it depends on like okay maybe I'm like a
01:02:39
Davianarcissist whatever like that like maybe I'm okay I probably am a narcissist but what else are you that [ __ ] no what's what what's the what's the other
01:02:50
Daviadiagnosis what's the other diagnosis oh I'm um I'm a diagnosed schizophrenic so that could also play partner mhm okay all right um do you
01:03:03
Eric (Osop)have more or I think I mean do you think say God forbid say if something happened to you and um you went through some type of disfigurement you would still have that same bravado you think you would still get that same response from in if
01:03:14
Daviayou didn't look how you look uh no probably not honestly but I would also have the mindset that I have now like I I really am so you'll still be dominant
01:03:24
Daviawith I would have that type of um mindset for when it comes to that so I wouldn't change personally but I see that how the men would see me
01:03:34
Andrew Wilsondifferently and would probably not be so you know you are so you're so full of [ __ ] the last show you were here you were talking about how a dude came out and met with you who was like going to
01:03:46
Andrew Wilsondo take some pictures or something was that you is that the same same and then he ended up dating him and he cheated on you like 17 times is that the same chick Brian am I crazy same yeah it's her happens to the best the same chick right
01:03:57
Daviait's like it's like you're so dominant you're dude cheating on you like but that give me a [ __ ] break your okay but yes that happened but yes but he is
01:04:07
Daviavery like that that man is my [ __ ] like I'm not lying he does do it he does do that cheating [ __ ] but when he's at home that man that man would do anything I say
01:04:19
Davialiterally he's at you say you couldn't you could you couldn't keep him at home you cheat you cheated on you 17 times but like how I but I describe cheating as him going into other people's DMS and calling them beautiful and stuff like
01:04:32
Daviahe's not out there [ __ ] he's not out there [ __ ] that's why you said he [ __ ] was plowing other chicks that's what I never said that he does no yes you did say that no I didn't you did you did run it back where's the clip so you don't think he trying to hit you don't think he hit nothing if he dming chicks
01:04:46
Eric (Osop)that they beautiful you think that's all is staying at that I don't really care bro he my [ __ ] now oh he not your dude no more no oh so what so so how many dud you met that like agree to this
01:04:57
Daviastipulation that you put on this this you wear the pants is it working yeah it works a lot a lot she only work once yeah I know like it happens cuz like when they when they're really into you they're just kind of so that means it's happening then you lose them then you
01:05:09
Daviaget like you keep gaining new guys that are Grant to this yeah but like it's not like I've only actually dated two people but yeah those two long relationships I've been in were successful because I how they successful they ended and I
01:05:20
Daviabroke up with them oh why why because the first one I was with for 5 years I moved to Cali californ not long after I met my other ex I was with for 3 years and I broke up with him because of so yall just y broke up because of distance or you just broke I broke up with him
01:05:33
Eric (Osop)because I was moving and yeah so what about the next guy Yeah I broke up with him because he was cheating oh okay so so but she wears a pants you see yeah but I'm not going to go if a guy
01:05:44
Daviawants but a guy if a guy wants to go cheat no matter what you do you could have him like if he if a guy's going to go cheat he's going to go cheat no matter what you do like it's you can't stop it do sound like you were in
01:05:55
Daviacontrol to me sounds like he was at the house I was but you can't you can't help like when somebody's going to go out and do whatever they want like that's not me but when you at my house like bro that's that's between I mean you could help it
01:06:06
Daviaif you were actually in control well well you can't help a man that wants to cheat bro like you really can't stop that you're not actually in control that's my point men are very different behind CL you have is the illusion of
01:06:19
Andrew Wilsoncontrol you don't have any control no men are so different behind story other chicks like what talk you you don't have any control here you have like you have
01:06:29
Andrew Wilsonno power here no power at all okay a will do basically whatever and then he gets to go back and hook up with you after anyway what does he care it sound like he playing a game he definitely sound like he playing to your advantage
01:06:41
Daviagive [ __ ] and then going when you yeah yeah exactly that but that was him you know what I mean like like I've been with other people that do play that part like I have been with other men I've been with women that also like that so
01:06:52
Daviait's not like it's not like oh yeah but I'm also saying when you say controll like when you I'm controlling him that's not what I'm doing it's just that like I'm I'm very assertive like I like I have a very uh that [ __ ] mindset you
01:07:05
Daviaknow what I mean so like when it I like men that respect that like you know what I mean like respect that you're a that [ __ ] no not that I'm saying like it's a mindset you know what I mean like I'm it's really hard to explain but I like men that accept that but I'm not saying
01:07:18
Daviaoh I'm like going to P this man by his hair and be like listen to me like I'm not like that that's not what I'm mean by controlling at all I just like men that listen literally just listen that's all I'm trying to say like I'm I like men that
01:07:30
Eric (Osop)listen sound like you need a child man oh hell no no I know sound like you need a pet I don't know I mean we all need to listen to each other but it's the way you say it it sound like you just want to I know what it sounds like that's I'm trying that's not what but how you guys
01:07:43
Bangs (Anai)are spinning my words like crazy I said it sound like I say it is that's just sound like let me add something men always want a bad [ __ ] and then when they finally get a bad [ __ ] they can't
01:07:53
Bangs (Anai)handle her that's not what men want yes it is it is men always want the baddest bit no but I hear men always say oh I want the baddest [ __ ] I want this [ __ ]
01:08:04
Bangs (Anai)I want the [ __ ] who's a 10 out of 10 I want I want a arm candy I want you don't hear me and say that yes because men men look for status they want a woman for
01:08:14
Eric (Osop)status no we don't yes they yes they do men watch on television like I I hate to repeat myself but it's the men that you
01:08:23
Eric (Osop)are focused on which is celebrity minded mainstream media push men everyday men I'm a man I'm telling you I'm 39 years old I'm not trying to disrespect youall or nothing but I'm telling you yall looking at men in a certain sector of
01:08:36
Eric (Osop)reality which is not the everyday man the everyday man don't care about your status based on the conversation I had from these women the men that I know what they appeal to is what these two young ladies was talking about someone
01:08:48
Eric (Osop)more conservative more serving saving themselves don't no man want a bad [ __ ] he want he may want to have sex with that but as far as woman that he wants to be with longterm and submit some type
01:08:59
Bangs (Anai)of vulnerability to it's not a bad [ __ ] trust me he wants F I'm walking around I'm not walking around I ain't talking about you I'm just talking about whatever you call a bad [ __ ] men don't want that do you think 23 22 21 24
01:09:11
Bangs (Anai)year-old women are looking for a husband right now know no we we are not looking for husbands right now you were talking about what the men want and you're saying yeah do you think the men are looking for a husband right or for a wife right now absolutely not men do not
01:09:25
Brian Atlaswant now but you said to a bad [ __ ] no they don't yeah but you were saying that they want a woman hold on they you said that they were wanting a woman with status they do they no they want no that's not
01:09:36
Bangs (Anai)what I said sorry I said they want a woman to add to their status they want a woman you just changed your entire AR no she said that she said no she said no she said I said they want a woman for
01:09:47
Bangs (Anai)status that's what I said Tik tokers maybe yeah but I I like they want a pretty girl okay A man does not so would this add would this add to to a
01:09:58
Daviaman's status an attractive feminine submissive woman or a bad [ __ ] what I you can be a bad [ __ ] either or can be a bad [ __ ] a submissive woman can be a
01:10:08
Eric (Osop)bad [ __ ] what you talk about she could be a housewife and still be a bad bitcha most women who are self-proclaimed bad [ __ ] are not
01:10:17
Bangs (Anai)really a bad [ __ ] is not a criteria I no they didn't call themselves that you can you can do anything and be about B [ __ ] I'm just say I'm saying most wom who call bad
01:10:29
Davia[ __ ] most of the time I I have a bad [ __ ] mindset I'm not talking about y'all I'm just saying most women who use that in general when they say that okay yeah that's that's I wasn't try I was trying to find the right word but like the best way I could explain it at that
01:10:41
Daviatime was a bad [ __ ] mindset but it's like um it's just confidence yeah a confidence like it's like I I'm a very confident mindset like you know what I mean that's why you I'm probably a narcissist the thing is the thing is men
01:10:52
Bangs (Anai)hate a Confident Woman when you're a Confident Woman automatically you're a [ __ ] you're a [ __ ] no that's not true let's go back to the first podcast I was
01:11:02
Bangs (Anai)on ML I don't know his first name but ml was so mad when I called him out on being insecure he hated a Confident Woman he hated that I spoke out to him you calling a man insecure don't make you confident though that doesn't mean
01:11:16
Eric (Osop)that you're confident that just means you're confident enough to talk crazy to a man or talk call him by his name I can talk crazy want to talk that doesn't equate to really confidence okay what does confidence mean confidence is when you can be a feminine
01:11:27
Eric (Osop)woman without all this extra [ __ ] and be ask me a question let me ask guys let them talk go ahead a Confident Woman To Me is a woman who don't got to say the [ __ ] she just shows up in that spirit in
01:11:39
Eric (Osop)that energy she saw spoken because contrary to popular belief true power is not in let everybody know you in here because a beautiful woman ain't got to do all that her presence is powerful enough those insecure women they got to
01:11:51
Eric (Osop)scream they got to shout they got to say I'm a bad [ __ ] hit me war that doesn't scream confidence to me it screams insecurity The Confident Woman is really modest she's really softspoken but if you engage her she has a lot to say but
01:12:03
Bangs (Anai)she doesn't carry that on her sleeve in my opinion to me a Confident Woman is not determined through presence and what she delivers through presence it's
01:12:12
Bangs (Anai)through action and how she I guess has an effect on others and the world and if she has that positive confident mindset
01:12:22
Bangs (Anai)I've grown up surrounded by bad [ __ ] that are completely different women different from women from different backgrounds women that are with different careers and they're all bad [ __ ] to
01:12:37
Daviame honestly the [ __ ] so what's a bad [ __ ] I don't know a Confident Woman Who takes no [ __ ] no I think I think a bad
01:12:46
Eric (Osop)[ __ ] is a Confident Woman man yeah ex how confidence ey to Beholder because how I Y think confidence I don't think yeah because how I grew up like I'm very I'm like a very like loud person like
01:12:58
Daviabut that's just how simply how I grew up but I'm not like I'm not out of like person like publicly saying out loud like oh I'm that [ __ ] I'm that I'm like that [ __ ] like like no I'm not like that but like this is the way how I
01:13:10
Daviathink I'm in my head like confidently I'm basically for lack of a better word you use bad [ __ ] mentality basically yes because I can't think of the right word that's what I said but that's the best it could be confident it could be you know yeah but like it's
01:13:22
Eric (Osop)diff you're putting you're saying that women should be softspoken and feminine no I said what I you could do what the [ __ ] you want I'm talking about what I deem as a Confident Woman is even as a
01:13:33
Eric (Osop)confident man I don't think confident people make it so clear I think confident people are very um cool in their in their spot they don't have to scream and holler I'm here like to me that breathes insecurity so that a
01:13:46
Eric (Osop)confident man do you think a confident man takes charge when he has to okay what about a Confident Woman does she take take charge um exactly you let me you got no you got to
01:13:58
Eric (Osop)let me that see that's what I'm saying that's that false you just talking over people that's that's not confidence at all I thought cuz I like to think before I speak so that's why I took a second so you ask me does that mean a conf a woman is confident depends on the scenario
01:14:11
Eric (Osop)because you could speak up because someone had to tell you to sit your ass down so just because you doing you could be doing the most and a man say hey sweetheart can you calm down you can BST let can I finish I'm not even
01:14:22
Eric (Osop)talking about you so yall ain't about you relax I'm talking about in general you said what's a Confident Woman so what I'm saying is if a man say if someone is out of line even if a woman got a check it could be a woman got a checker or a man got to check if a
01:14:34
Eric (Osop)woman's out of line acting a certain way in in a restaurant whatever and they the man or the woman say excuse me ma'am can you calm down chill out and she gets buck and say I ain't got to do nothing in her mind she's a Confident Woman but
01:14:46
Eric (Osop)in my mind you're just a belligerent woman so it just depends on the scenario sometimes you have to speak up sometimes this it shows power to take a back seat male or female so a good leader is also a good follower so just being able to
01:14:58
Daviatalk back and check somebody that don't mean confidence to me it just means you want you want attention that's not that does not cause attention just because you really don't not take nobody's [ __ ] and you're not going to be scenario I'm
01:15:10
Bangs (Anai)talking about your scenario the one you literally just gave me why did you answer my question with the hypothetical for a woman but you didn't answer the question for a man with a hypothetical why did the woman have to get a
01:15:21
Eric (Osop)hypothetical because men because men are naturally supposed to have to be leaders I think women today's time think that to be confident they have to mimic masculine Behavior to show confidence and I don't necessarily agree with that
01:15:34
Daviahow many time if a man if a woman is around true a true man like this is that why men like you literally have you you talk about like you men like to have your mindset is like why men believe that they have so much like stress when
01:15:46
Daviait comes to uh relationships because you guys believe that you guys literally you guys have to be leaders you guys have to be dominant you guys have to do this and this and that's why men stressed out about relationship so men are stressed because
01:15:59
Eric (Osop)they don't know what type of women to pick it ain't got nothing to do with what they doing men are stress because they they chase after looks outside of character so you chasing after women we not what's what's being what's insensitive about what I'm saying I said
01:16:11
Eric (Osop)you need to learn how to be sensitive like having I need to be a leader but maybe but that's the and that's the problem today's women want men to be soft so they can be tough but that's not
01:16:22
Daviareality let me add something real quick man I just ask a question real quick why does he need to learn to be sensitive exactly no because I'm saying that whole that whole mindset is like the whole like leader because then you meet like
01:16:34
Daviafor example like I would not be able to be with someone like personally that is so dominant or like someone that is H that has the mindset where I have want [ __ ] sensitive guy come off that [ __ ] what are you talking about no I'm just
01:16:46
Andrew Wilsonsaying no I'm just saying not sensitive yes the word sensitive is a perple word I use I use the word because I dog dies should he cry in the movie theater with you you go oh God I can't believe you no I don't like [ __ ] what do you mean sensitive you don't want a sensitive guy
01:16:59
Daviano but that's not what I mean like being being able to freak I don't know the word but being able to express your emotions when no that's not what I mean but I mean like the being able to do what you open up no but being a freak I
01:17:12
Bangs (Anai)don't know the word but it's like when being able to know like when it's okay to beat uh like your emotions at the right time like open up at the right time when it's the right moment What's
01:17:23
Eric (Osop)That Word Common Sense vulnerable vulnerable there we go but that don't vulnerability and Leadership is two different things a man is still a leader whether he show vulnerability or not you show vulnerability you got to wipe your
01:17:33
Bangs (Anai)face and go back and still lead our friend Andrew over here said that nobody no woman wants a man who's a [ __ ] and who cries um so truth to that hang on
01:17:44
Andrew Wilsonhang on what did I actually say repeat what I heard was no woman no woman wants a [ __ ] some [ __ ] no woman want is that I don't believe that you actually want a sensitive guy
01:17:55
Andrew Wilsonsensitive especially emotional sensitivity hang on calm down hang on hang on I've been letting you go back and forth chill out okay especially when it comes to emotional sensitivity you
01:18:06
Andrew Wilsondon't want somebody in a movie theater right who cries when Bambi dies okay none of you women want that [ __ ] just stop coping it's [ __ ] [ __ ] total [ __ ] right you're never going to convince me in a million years that
01:18:17
Andrew Wilsonthat's what you want so that if you think that that equates to uh being a [ __ ] uh well I mean I guess I can kind of grant that because I I do think that that is kind of [ __ ] made cry when Bambi dies right so that's all I'm
01:18:29
Daviasaying no you're you're you're like 100% right like yeah no girl wants a [ __ ] [ __ ] like that's the best way I can explain a man like that I don't mind a sensitive man though I think there's
01:18:39
Elsielike it's confident with being yourself cuz some men are scared to cry or like that sense of machismo so it's like they don't want to cry or show that vulnerability so I think when they do show that sensitive side of them it
01:18:51
Andrew Wilsonshows some confidence with themselves and overall okay understand that that makes no sense to me wouldn't it be the opposite you say if you say I think that it shows
01:19:00
Andrew Wilsonconfidence if you show a vulnerable side I don't understand why vulnerable can you let me finish calm down I don't know why it wouldn't be equally uh you
01:19:12
Andrew Wilsonknow convincing of confidence if you don't show vulnerability why would you need to why is that why is that a sign of a lack of confidence I don't get that it's actually not what I was about to say is that being I know but I wasn't
01:19:23
Andrew Wilsontalking let me speaking because you CAU me conversation hang on you're going to have plenty of time to talk I promise let's just finish our conversation go ahead she hasn't caught in on the conversation I want to get her in on the
01:19:34
Andrew Wilsonconversation right they can't all be chair one all night so anyway go ahead you were you were we were talking about confidence why why would this be problematic for confidence if a man didn't show vulnerabilities so you cut
01:19:46
Bangs (Anai)me off so you can explain that I can now speak that's what you did I was about to talk and then you said let talk speak did I say can we get another let me talk let me talk another person in also in
01:19:58
Andrew Wilsonthe conversation is that okay is that okay your majesty is there anything else we can do for you your majesty why don't hang onbody go get Brian let's just get you the keys to the [ __ ] Studio your highness and we'll
01:20:10
Andrew Wilsonroll out the red carpet you can come on in we'll get you some spritzers like what else can we do for you tonight but in the meantime while you think about everything we can possibly do for you perhaps we can get this other gal in cuz
01:20:22
Elsieshe hasn't been able to enter in the conversation silence peasant okay like I was going to say got him okay like I was going to say is that
01:20:34
Andrew Wilsonyou right yeah he's talking to you right yeah okay what's your question or what's your response yeah so my my question to you was just how uh how does it show that
01:20:45
Elsieit's not actually confidence it's just just because they don't open up about vulnerability it's cuz with today's like Society people often want men to not show that vulnerability because they
01:20:56
Elsiewant them to be stronger maesal but I think showing being able to show that confident side or not that confident side but being able to show that sensitive and vulnerable side is confident M but don't you agree that
01:21:09
Andrew Wilsonoften times big complaint which happens in relationships is that when men open up to women they use that information as a weapon that they then hang on hang on that they can then utilize later so in
01:21:22
Andrew Wilsonsome ways it's almost like Intel Gathering and this in this way they can learn your fears they can learn various weapons to use against you as men they have physical strength they don't really need
01:21:33
Andrew Wilsonto be able to weaponize emotion against women however women don't have that same asset at their disposal so for them information is key right so in some ways aren't you basically requesting that a
01:21:45
Elsieman uh possibly give you weapons that you can use against him later that he just never has to give up at all yeah I agree with what you're saying there are some ladies out there who do take advantage of information like that but
01:21:56
Elsieagain it's just with who you choose to share that information with and it doesn't have to be right after a day that you choose to share that vulnerable side but being able to share that eventually is strong how long is he
01:22:08
Andrew Wilsoneventually like if he share if he never gave if he never gave you the weapons like what's wrong with that right I don't really understand why why that would even show a lack of confidence let's say this guy handles all of his
01:22:20
Andrew Wilsonbusiness he takes care of everything he's supposed to do he takes care of all of his respons responsibilities and duties just doesn't want to open up to you about whatever uh you know emotions he has about any or any particular fears
01:22:32
Elsiethat he has or things like this why is that actually a a sign of weakness rather than a sign of strength because you don't trust me if I'm dating someone and they don't show vulnerability or they aren't comfortable enough then you
01:22:43
Elsiedon't have any weapons no I'm not saying that it's a weapon but you have to what happened to you bro are you okay like he's been through some [ __ ] obviously like who who rejected you some truth to
01:22:55
Daviawhat he's saying and there some truth to what y saying too cuz I get it it's like so but that going back to what I was saying vulnerability that's what I who hurt you are we doing the who hurt you
01:23:04
Andrew Wilsonthing yeah who hurt you bro who got who got you who hurt you you're like hey you're like pushing 60 all the dumped women on the [ __ ] panel who hurt you
01:23:14
Andrew Wilsonbro you're pushing 60 and you're like really like you're broken oh my God I'm I'm pushing 220 we all got our [ __ ]
01:23:26
Andrew Wilsoncrosses to bear here okay you're broken you're a broken Spirit what you say the only thing that's about to break is those chair legs I mean I would just calm down H I
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Bangs (Anai)want to inter you're okay so oh you think I how okay let me ask you I last time I was on you said that
01:23:47
Andrew Wilsonas woman age they get ug like they get ugly and less attractive and then yes so you is this controversial oh did I make a controversial statement as women get
01:23:59
Andrew Wilsonolder they become less attractive yes this is the case do you think your wife is ugly oh you're going to tie it into the wife is less attractive now at 40 than she was when she was 20 you got me
01:24:11
Andrew Wilsonoh my God I'm able to view objective reality boy that was a real hit you really got me with that one you're broken that was quite the Zinger you're
01:24:20
Eric (Osop)broken dude yeah you're broken why do you always say who hurt you like
01:24:27
Bangs (Anai)I'm just talking about him I'm just talking about in general like women always say who hurt you like cuz I just y' ad when y'all get hurt tell definitely that's why we that's how we ask you cuz like everybody gets can I can I answer we generally care I was a n
01:24:40
Bangs (Anai)for a very long time I Babys sat for lots of people many different ages I've never met a I have never met a stable man that acts like that man right there
01:24:51
Andrew Wilsonnever met a stable man that acts like him I've never I've never met a stable woman that can't keep her appetite under control so you know I mean this is the
01:24:59
Bangs (Anai)thing we all we all look at you look at you how much do you weigh how much do you're so triggered calm down calm down I'm 6ot and 200 lb you're right I need
01:25:12
Andrew Wilsonto lose about 15 you need to lose about 50 okay look we all got our roles here calm down you're you're broken you're a broken you're a broken boy you got me you're you know what you are you're a broken record cuz all you got is you're
01:25:24
Michellebroken I haven't heard you say anything else I just feel like the mindset of like your head immediately going to like um like oh I'm she's using it as a
01:25:36
Michelleweapon I don't know like for me I I would never do that so I think it really depends on who you are with cuz I agree with her like I think it's not like lack of not showing trust like I would want to be emotionally vulnerable with but I
01:25:49
Andrew Wilsonwant you to think about it from the from the other end you what you're saying makes sense to me right it's r you say it's a it's the idea of a man opening up to me and showing that the man has trust this is rational to me the problem is is it's also rational to me
01:26:02
Andrew Wilsonthe other way the man says well wait a second if I open up I actually give the women around me weapons they would not ordinarily have and information they would not ordinarily have which can then
01:26:12
Andrew Wilsonbe used against me that's also rational it and even even opening up to you that they have that fear itself itself can be weaponized and used against so the thing
01:26:23
Andrew Wilsonis is like at the same time women say I want an emotionally stable Billy badass guy right on at the other side of their mouth I also want somebody who's super emotional and opens up to me it's like well that's because Billy badass really
01:26:36
Michelleyou can't emotionally weaponize anything against him unless he tells it to you well I don't think I'm asking for someone to be super emotional with me all the time it's just if I were to want to be with someone I would want to be
01:26:47
Andrew Wilsonemotionally connected with them right yeah but why does that include that person telling you their fears or telling you things or uh you know things about themselves which could potentially
01:26:58
Michellelater be utilized against them why why do you why is that a requirement for emotional connection I don't know I just feel like if you have a mindset of oh
01:27:08
Michellethis woman is going to use my emotional vulnerability against me for one I don't think it's not a set of is so it's not saying I don't know to me I think you should be working on yourself yeah it's
01:27:20
Andrew Wilsonnot saying she will do this it's saying why even give her the the opportunity to ever do this what's the point of being with someone not em men are not with women so that they have an emotional support animal okay that's not what they're there for
01:27:32
Andrew Wilsonthey're not with women but men expect us to be vulnerable talk about their deepest darkest fears that's not what they're with them for I'm going to tell you the truth you may not like hear this but they're mostly with women because they really want to [ __ ] them that's honestly why most men that's probably
01:27:45
Andrew Wilsonthe same reason why we're with men too not because they want an emotional support animal they are viewing women through the prism of physical Beauty attractiveness childbearing not through through the lens of can you help me out with my emotional problems women are the
01:27:58
Andrew Wilsonones who have the emotional problems they buy into the Witchcraft of psychology and therapy and all that [ __ ] men don't want anything to do with it men are literally playing video games and lobbies talking [ __ ] to each
01:28:10
Brian Atlasother and having a ball they don't need therapy they don't need that's all women stuff that that has nothing to do with men it's not even how men function wait hold on I do want to come back to you because I was back there I heard you say something um repeat what you said like
01:28:22
Michellewhen it came to men revealing certain things about them being vulnerable can you just repeat it I don't know I just think that if you have a mindset of oh
01:28:32
Michellethis woman is going to use my emotional vulnerability against me a I think you should work on yourself before dating like I think it's a self problem I'll I'll respond go ahead
01:28:44
Michelleand uh I lost my train of thought but that's like my my thing like I just think you need to work on yourself and not all women are like that you can't just generalize women and say like oh she's going to use it against me like
01:28:57
Andrew Wilsonwell how how else let me ask you a question wa you're meeting the wrong woman have this exchange here what do you think the tools are of women for for attacking men they can't beat them up so how do they do it they do it through
01:29:10
Brian Atlashere she can answer your question in just a second but so uh so can you just repeat it one more time and then I'll have the back and forth yeah um I feel like if you have a mindset of thinking
01:29:21
Michellelike oh this woman is going to use my vulnerability against me I think you should work on yourself before getting into a relationship and so do you think that men should pretty much at what
01:29:33
Michellepoint should they be willing to be emotionally vulnerable from this jump well everyone it's Case by case I think you would know as an adult when you can trust someone okay I guess my question is
01:29:44
Brian Atlasthough is like you're a virgin you've not had sex with a man because you feel like you would get attached and you could get hurt so men's corresponding
01:29:54
Brian Atlasfear which I mean I don't know if it's a fear for you is we don't want to reveal like Andrew said certain information that's going to get weaponized against us most men have maybe you women have
01:30:06
Brian Atlashad sort of a corresponding or a symmetrical experience with a man where maybe you revealed to to a man something really intimate and then when the
01:30:17
Brian Atlasrelationship started to crumble he used these things that he knew about you that other people didn't know and he weaponized it granted this is something that women do far more commonly I've had
01:30:29
Brian Atlasthis experience myself I anecdotal experience Eric I don't know if you have an anecdotal experience where you shared something with a woman and then when the relationship didn't go her way you guys were breaking up whatever she then
01:30:40
Brian Atlasweaponized it she released embarrassing information about you she released you know these sorts of things in the midst of the breakup she was like oh you were a [ __ ] about this or whatever it is so
01:30:51
Brian AtlasI mean like I'm just trying to understand here you like wouldn't you just the same kind of angle you're coming at this with well oh you should just do it like couldn't guy just be like oh well you should just [ __ ] me
01:31:03
Michellebecause no I'm not saying you should just do it you should do it when you feel like you're you're ready to open up but I just don't feel like you should generalize and be like oh like you know she's going to use it against me can I
01:31:15
Andrew Wilsonask you then just this this question briefly go ahead I assume that you agree with me that most men who you're going to be in a relationship with you're not going to be able to beat them up you can't you can't actually physically
01:31:27
Andrew Wilsonprobably beat them up right no and I don't want to so right exactly so so inside of this Force Dynamic that is not a tool which is available to you right
01:31:37
Andrew Wilsonnow uh this is this terrible to say out loud but it is the truth that is actually available to men they can utilize Force they do it with other men all the time um but it's not something they have to fear from you ever they
01:31:49
Andrew Wilsondon't have to fear that you're going to beat them up like they have to fear from a guy that they'll get beat up so the question is is what are the tools that women use to attack men what do they do they use inuendo they use slander they
01:32:02
Andrew Wilsonuse rumors they use things like this most of those things come from the men themselves telling these women these things since that is the case you can't beat me up but you're really mad at me how are you going to attack me well
01:32:15
Andrew Wilsonbangs over here Begins by by saying making some age jokes right uh or uh you know they can assault your looks you can start with that route but if you really want to hit home right you're try to
01:32:26
Andrew Wilsonattack the reputation because men care about reputation so if they open up to you about things like their fears or embarrassing stories or they're emotionally vulnerable to you how are they not setting themselves up for attack from
01:32:38
Daviayou but isn't that the same thing setting when women be vulnerable and feminine you guys like to use that word um isn't are we basically setting ourselves up as well men can use you're
01:32:48
Andrew Wilsonmaking it sound like men men are the victim if it were the case that we saw for instance that women were putting up or men were putting up online like oh are you dating my girl like women are
01:32:59
Andrew Wilsonputting up are you dating my man uh things like this which are designed to attack and destroy the reputation of men women are far more likely to do this than men are women are far more likely
01:33:11
Andrew Wilsonto go to court make up stories they're far more likely to make up stories to in order to get assets like children and child support they are happy to utilize
01:33:19
Andrew Wilsoninformation and weaponize it to attack men men usually don't do this because you that such a lie almost done almost
01:33:30
Andrew Wilsondone because when they deal with men they have the physical option men always have the physical option with other men I don't like you bam you get smacked in the mouth right easy done right this is
01:33:41
Andrew Wilsonthe option they can always go with with women they they can't do that what ends up happening is they have to use the same tools which is in uendo slander they're not as good at it wait so by using your example then shouldn't women
01:33:52
Andrew Wilsonhave more to lose they a can get hurt like physically and emotionally well men aren't attacking women my my point isn't to say that men are out there attacking women in
01:34:03
Andrew Wilsonrelationships and right now at the DV rates for instance they're pretty equal the what's what's actually going on I'm trying to show you a force argument so let me explain what I mean so if me and the gentleman who's in the studio with
01:34:16
Andrew Wilsonyou right now if I'm in the studio with him we begin talking [ __ ] to each other he readily has the option available to him him to reach across and punch me in
01:34:26
Andrew Wilsonthe mouth and probably would if I said the wrong thing or he may think vice versa for women that's not the case he doesn't have the option to just reach
01:34:35
Andrew Wilsonover and punch you in the mouth okay that is that is a social taboo one uh so he has to use the same types of tools that you would have to use for physical PR which would be slander and Endo
01:34:48
Andrew Wilsonthings like this but because men are generally used to dealing with men and not women right they focus on the foret aspect not on the rumor mongering slander aspect women focus on that even
01:34:59
Andrew Wilsonwith each other so they're way way way better at it so I would say no men actually have way more to lose by opening up about their vulnerabilities than women do okay I just want to say if
01:35:10
Michelleyou're going off by your point you're basically saying like oh we should probably not have sex with men then cuz we're scared that we're going to get beat up that's like basically what you're implying what are you talking no
01:35:22
Andrew Wilsonthe opposite men are not beating up women in relationships any more than women are attacking men in relationships what I'm saying is that because men deal with other men through the aspect of the physical meaning you start a rumor about
01:35:34
Andrew Wilsonme and you're a dude and you talk a bunch of [ __ ] I might punch you in the mouth that's not going to happen with a woman women that do that are so with women so with women we're F forced into the same information war against them
01:35:46
Andrew Wilsonwhich is slander inuendo things like this but because women deal with each other all the time they're always in that war so they're really good at that [ __ ] and men are not so when when you
01:35:56
Andrew Wilsonsay to me it it's almost a form of manipulation to say I'm really attracted to stoic men who have great emotional control but at the same time I want them to be vulnerable and open up to me it's almost sounds like a form of
01:36:08
Daviamanipulation in order for you to acrew knowledge which can then be used against them what the [ __ ] the stories that we prefer guys are
01:36:18
Daviawilling up to the idea open like open to the idea of being able period that's all we were saying you were you're adding yeah I know I know I know what you're
01:36:28
TTS Donationssaying I'm sorry you don't feel safe in your relationship metr M donated $200 a sign of incompetence is confidence in being wrong these women
01:36:39
Brian Atlasare a prime example you are literally hearing but not listening this is why women need to stop speaking so much and listen all right Metro mat thank you Metro mat thank you for the uh TTS sorry for the delay on getting to it I was
01:36:52
Andrew Wilsonaway from the uh computer Andrew I think you wanted to Steelman her position yeah I mean the position is simple you're just saying that uh you know at the same time I want this stoic man and this and that I want a man who's
01:37:05
Andrew Wilsonnot afraid to open up to me what I'm saying is that men are at a distinct disadvantage okay which is that they don't they don't deal with women the same way women deal with women and when you have one-on-one conversations with
01:37:17
Andrew Wilsonwomen you find out just how much the gossip mongering within The Sisterhood goes how much the backstabbing goes and how much they destroy each other's reputation on a daily basis they do it all the time it's their mechanism for
01:37:29
Andrew Wilsondefense it's their mechanism for attack not for men men's mechanism for attack is the physical they beat the [ __ ] out of each other so they're at a massive disadvantage when it comes to utilizing information in a way which is predatory
01:37:41
Andrew Wilsonor harmful to women whereas women are not at that disadvantage with men that's why when you say I want you to open up and be emotionally vulnerable to me right what you're really asking is for them to give you weapons which can then
01:37:53
Andrew Wilsonlater be used against you even if it's not by you it could just be that you gossip with your girlfriends and tell them whatever it is that your emotional his emotional weaknesses are this or that and they use it against him but the the truth is is that they are at a
01:38:05
Elsiedisadvantage like it or not well that's why it's important to really take your time with showing that vulnerable side like it doesn't have to be immediate it could be after months or after years if that's really how long it takes just
01:38:18
Andrew Wilsonreally be sure sorry like Andrew isn't Andrew like aren't you vable with your wife like you're married like don't you got hav you gotone that point with your her I try I make sure that well first of all I don't think that women even like it when you're vulnerable with them I
01:38:29
Andrew Wilsonthink that that's cope and [ __ ] anyway he's not even attracted to his I don't think I don't think my wife would want me even to be emotionally vulnerable or uh something like this I don't I don't even think that you would
01:38:42
Andrew Wilsonwant that okay uh what would be what would be the point in the principle women women don't value that they don't value uh emotionally vulnerable men they exploit emotionally vulnerable men
01:38:55
Bangs (Anai)why are women always like the problem and like the enemy in the situation oh men can't open up cuz women are going to women are going to attack them and women are going to use it against them you
01:39:07
Bangs (Anai)literally said it you literally said it you when did I say that they were the enemy just making [ __ ] up because you're acting like it you're like oh when whenever women have the chance to bite back at a man they're going to bite back
01:39:19
Bangs (Anai)and they're going to use let me speak let me speak dude you [ __ ] talk so go ahead calm down calm down go ahead okay like in your story and in your head
01:39:29
Bangs (Anai)women are the enemy like it's so obvious it's so clear you can ask anybody here women are clearly the enemy in your story you make an argument do you mind if I so here's here's what you're saying
01:39:41
Andrew Wilsonwhat you're saying is because there's a distinction in interpersonal Dynamics between the Sexes that if I bring up those distinctions that somehow that makes the w women the enemy so let's just test and see if this is true BS
01:39:54
Andrew Wilsonokay so yeah cuz you're taking a personal opinion just hold on no you got to let him finish speak so much you got to let him finish I'm just going to ask you a question do you think that men or women are better at weaponizing
01:40:05
Andrew Wilsoninformation to destroy the other men or women women absolutely yeah women absolutely so they all you're doing is making my point for me when I point out this intersexual distinction which exists that you're actually asking men
01:40:18
Bangs (Anai)to take a greater risk by being emotionally vulnerable than you are risking back now can you make an argument against that or can't you okay but women are emotionally vulnerable all the time so now they have this emotional
01:40:31
Chloevulnerability against them as well as physical oh [ __ ] oh my God shut the [ __ ] up annoying go ahead so I think what he's saying I do understand from his
01:40:42
Chloepoint of view and from his experience this is how he understands women and I think that's totally valid cuz earlier you were saying like you're saying we were giving you an opinion you're like this is not how men think I'm telling
01:40:53
Chloeyou how men think so can we just take a quick PLL at this table if men or no sorry let me backtrack if women at this table prefer somebody a man in this case
01:41:04
Chloewho is more emotionally vulnerable versus a man who say isn't emotionally vulnerable show hands for that I guess I'm like pretty neutral but that's like that's a reason why we all we have something to react to go ahead but
01:41:16
Daviathat's the whole point of this topic was is it simp simply because I was looking for the word vulnerable like I like men that also that can get there with me and then because like I'm not trying to be a [ __ ] or anything like that just here
01:41:28
Daviacan you give us an example of what this would look like just so okay uh it would be more just like I would I don't know just like for example I'd be like uh I would consciously just be like I I'm too lazy to go off the bed and go go grab
01:41:41
Daviathe remote that's like right there like go go get that but the way I say it it's very what does that have to do the vulnerability I'll say something is it
01:41:51
Bangs (Anai)is it it's about vulnerab okay so I grew up with a dad who was very like masculine and stuff and he had three
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Bangs (Anai)daughters and my dad like he knows when to open up he's I mean my whole childhood I've I had always been kind of scared of him because he was very assertive and very
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Bangs (Anai)you know authorative but once he once I got older and I he started opening up about his childhood and every horrible thing he went through it gave me so much Clarity on why he acts the way he acts
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Bangs (Anai)and it gave me understanding so when I feel like you need to know people's vulnerabilities to understand the way they do haven't you guys ever read the book about the ways of Love or something like that it's a book about how people
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Bangs (Anai)love and how they express their love the love languages it's about how people Express their Love Languages and it all Roots back to Childhood so when you're able to open up and be vulnerable about childhood or whatever whatever has
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Brian Atlasaffected your life and has what made made you become the person you are shut the [ __ ] up Andrew dude like just shut the [ __ ] up ni be nice dude be nice I don't know since you mentioned since you mentioned a book you need to read the
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Brian Atlasfirst two pages of uh Green Eggs and Ham go ahead right now right now read it read it here while he while she's getting that going we're going to react to a quick video can you pull that up Damian yeah it doesn't like open in a new
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Bangs (Anai)tab that should be fine let me take a look at it though can I continue though with one sec one sec hold on hold on you got it yeah okay
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Brian Atlasuh there's no way to doesn't like give the option to open can you open it in like
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Brian Atlasa my God [ __ ] Dropbox is dog [ __ ] are you sure there's another way hold
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Brian Atlason if you here go back to go back to streamlabs the private chat and then
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Brian Atlasdrag the link to a tab glasses on that's what you did try one try it again that's weird I don't know why it's doing that
01:43:58
Brian Atlasit's still giving you the dog [ __ ] Dropbox okay fine whatever we'll play it make it full screen
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Brian Atlasthough is that that's read a book is okay just play the [ __ ] mute it okay I she makes some dumb Tik Tok I wanted this man to be vulnerable with me
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Brian Atlasfor for so long he finally called me yesterday and opened up but the second he started crying I lost all interest in him quickly this is a safe space but not that safe so like what yeah like you
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Brian Atlasguys claim you want want the guy to be vulnerable but there's the line we don't know until something wrong thatch it's her it's not us this is what I'm saying about generalizing we don't know what
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Brian Atlaskind of girl you are until we're like oh okay yeah we we don't know what kind of girl you are until we're actually in that situation and so either we we're going to Fumble the girl
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Brian Atlasand you might say well if she was not cool like fine it was good to lose her but like there's all kinds of actions that you can take in a relationship to protect the relationship if you want to keep it going um for most men uh I think
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Brian Atlaswe would happily make the tradeoff of yeah I'd rather just not be like a crying little [ __ ] in front of my girlfriend and I keep her like I think most men are happy to make that
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Daviatradeoff um so for example I know that like I like sensitive men or like what was the word again vulnerable there you go um those men because for example like I just got a call from my one of my guy friends over the phone and he was
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Daviabasically crying cuz he just gotten a fist fight with one of his best friends and he was I was literally babysitting I was literally working and I no he was just sad because he he fought them that was PR sad so that's what I'm saying
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Davialike I was there to support like be there for him and didn't make me feel some kind of way oh like this man's a [ __ ] like nothing like that at all yeah that's that's fair I think let me maybe I can maybe I can come at this from a different AG
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Andrew Wilsonso um from your perspective if let's say you had a man and he was doing everything correctly okay uh he was very charitable he was
01:46:04
Andrew Wilsonvery humble but at the same time right he was very dominant he was handling all of his business he was financially set he was he had all of like the qualia that you that you wanted what would be
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Andrew Wilsonthe investment there of demanding to note what makes him tick why is that even necessary to know that why is that the dive-in of open up so I can figure out what makes you tick why is that so
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Andrew Wilsonimportant to even know if they're if they're meeting all the challenges and checking all the boxes why is it necessary for you to know what makes them tick because it's part of a partnership men are always so okay let
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Bangs (Anai)me tell you this men are always so I'm not asking you then let me answer why do you always have to say yeah you can answer but can you can okay so men are always question to answer men are always
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Bangs (Anai)concerned about oh body count which is in the past so why women why can't women be concerned about their life the way they grew up it's good to know about childhood it's good to know about the way you were ra okay okay I get it but
01:47:02
Andrew Wilsonthe thing is he's already doing all the right things he's already he's already checking all the boxes I can assume hang on hang on the only thing I can assume is that the reason you're demanding that he open up to you and be vulnerable even
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Andrew Wilsonthough he's doing everything else right is because you want information yeah and you want it I don't know why you want it right and he doesn't know why you want it why do you even need to know it why is it even pertinent for the relationship that you know this
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Bangs (Anai)information Banks tell me why is it even why is it even NE okay one one response you go you go then we're moving on go ahead I think it just All Leads back to the fact that you think women are evil
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Bangs (Anai)because it's all of a sudden it's about yes I'm answering it to you it's all about oh woman want information so they can attack you later on and use it against you no it's about partnership it's about understanding let me ask the
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Andrew Wilsonquestion again maybe this time you answer the question is if he's checking all the boxes and doing all the things you already want why is it actually so important to you that you need to know what makes him tick because I want to know about his childhood I want to know how he grew up I want to know what
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Michellehappened I want to know everything want to use weapons that's why bangs cuz you want weapons go ahead go ahead you idiot I agree with what she said I think there is no such thing as a perfect relationship whether that's with your
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Michellesignificant other or with your friend therefore fights will occur in your marriage or in your relationship there's no such thing as a no fighting relationship and in order to have understanding and make that healthy you
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Michelleneed to understand who they are as a person where they grew up how they were raised that's how you will maintain a healthy relationship that's what made them let us assume that's not just with men it's with friends too I would want
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Andrew Wilsonto know like my girlfriends you know how they grew up where they were born their C respon I need a very quick response goad very quick all I'm going to say is is that it wouldn't really matter ultimately if he's already checking all
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Andrew Wilsonthe boxes already doing the right it does matter because hang hang on let me respond okay if you if he's doing all those things and you fight every once in a while you've already admitted that that's healthy and normal inside relationships the only reason I can
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Andrew Wilsonascertain that you would need to know what makes him tick is because you want weapons but also sorry I got to let him go go ahead all right real quick um it was a lot being said I totally
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Eric (Osop)understand what Andrew is saying because we've seen a lot of examples of women using that information two hurt men that is a reality and you have to be cautious you have to move wisely like last time I
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Eric (Osop)was up here the guy was being vulnerable taking all the women on all these dates and we're saying how he need to be a little more have his wits about him I understand what the women say I think where men get it twisted up is we think
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Eric (Osop)being vulnerable is about showing softness I think in my experiences I don't know everything but there has been women that have used that against you they do exist but I think when women say that they're not necessarily talking
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Eric (Osop)about just sitting on the corner crying all the time it's about when you're not afraid to show how you feel there's a certain uh bravery in that it's not about her seeing you sensitive it's you
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Eric (Osop)not caring what anybody thinks about you in that moment so if you're emotional you let it out if you upset you let it out I think women are more drawn to the fact that you don't care it's not
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Eric (Osop)necessarily about you being a [ __ ] in front of them is you so confident in yourself as a man that I don't care who here I'll cry cuz I'm mad as hell not cuz I'm a [ __ ] it's because this how I feel and I'm going to let it out and I
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Eric (Osop)don't care who thinks I think a lot of women are drawn to that aspect of it not necess because oh you're soft because like for example I had my one of my exes I was vulnerable to her about things I
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Eric (Osop)went through with my daughter's mother so women can use it against you to hurt you or help just like a man she could he could say okay you went through a lot of things I can throw that in your face or I can do something to help you with what
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Eric (Osop)you went through like my my ex for example based on what I went through with my daughter's mother she made me a collage of moments of me and my daughter and like little quotes like hey no matter who sleeps on you you're still a
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Eric (Osop)good like she used that weakness that I gave her that vulnerability and gave me something to give me confidence in that area so I think the problem on both sides in today's conversations is we use too many it's too much extremism like I
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Eric (Osop)said last week when you dealing with a relationships they're takes a certain level of vulnerability on both sides and information can be used to hurt you but can also be used to help you it's about the type of person you're dating but I
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Brian Atlasunderstand what Andrew's saying but I understand what the women saying too okay thank you you're going to go you're going to go you need to be better disciplined though with the insults okay Andrew Andrew is very gracious he didn't
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Brian Atlascalled me f earlier in the conversation you just called him an idiot you need to you need to lower the both of you but mostly you lower the temperature all you go you go and then Andrew final word then we're going to move on go ahead um
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Elsiein relationships when you also show that vulnerable side like he was saying it could also better the relationship like if um if I was dating someone and they said I don't like when you do this because it makes me feel
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Elsielike the relationship isn't strong or it just makes me feel bad that showing your vulnerability can better the relationship so it's sorry it's better to show vulnerability okay yeah just
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Bangs (Anai)like adding on to what she said like my dad was a very crazy guy growing up he was very authorative very I don't know but um when he started opening up to me as I got older on his childhood and how
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Bangs (Anai)he grew up and you know all this stuff it gave me better understanding and I had less anger towards him be back then I had anger towards him before I knew that stuff and then once I had Clarity
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Bangs (Anai)on how he grew up and all his traumas I finally I was able to have um compassion towards him and I was like okay my dad isn't evil you know no one grows up and
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Bangs (Anai)says oh I want to be evil I want to be a bad parent I want to do this it's just the circumstances that lead to that and that was something that took me a really long time to learn because it took years
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Bangs (Anai)until my dad finally was able to open up with me about that so yes I do think it is very important to be Andrew uh go ahead you have final word very yeah very quickly um so I think that you can have
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Andrew Wilsonvery deep emotional connections with people uh regardless of if they open up to you as a traumatic Dumping Ground one way or the other notice that it's women who are always requesting this not men
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Andrew Wilsonnotice that there's a distinction in the power Dynamic that should give you a really good reason as to why this is so often requested even though for men it's not something that they even want to do it's not a thing that we even do with