Warren Smith (SNAKE)! Is Chivalry DEAD?! Age Gap HYPOCRISY? She Is 32, BF Is 24?! | Dating Talk #246

Date: 2025-06-09

Duration: 7h 27m

Guests

Brian Atlas

CCrystal (Netherlands)>

CCasey Rivera >

AAlina (Russia)>

KKatrina (Greek)>

WWarren Smith >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Alina (Russia)(guest)

SPEAKER_02Casey Rivera(guest)

SPEAKER_03Lyanna(guest)

SPEAKER_06Warren Smith(guest)

SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_08Katrina (Greek)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Chelsea(guest)

SPEAKER_10Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_11Crystal (Netherlands)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests + Warren Smith introduce themselves

Key MomentWarren: fired from teaching after Elon Musk tweeted his classroom video

ControversyBrian: would take lifeboat over wife/girlfriend. Panel erupts.

Key MomentCrystal (32) is dating a 24yo — Brian calls her 'predator' ironically after her age gap critique

Key MomentFelicity's arrest: 115mph chase, hit patrol car, jailed 3 days, charges dropped

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Including Warren Smith (YouTuber, fired after Elon Musk tweet) and Crystal (Netherlands, first US visit).

Warren Fired After Elon Musk Tweet

Viral JK Rowling classroom Socratic discussion. Met Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan.

Titanic/Male Disposability Debate

Brian: would take the lifeboat. Warren: would stay. Extended philosophical debate.

Age Gap Relationships

Crystal (32) dating 24yo but critiques older men dating younger women. Brian points out hypocrisy.

Oral Sex Debate

Brian's refusal. Throat cancer risk. Dealbreaker discussion.

Felicity Arrest Story

115mph police chase, hit patrol car, jailed 3 days, charges dropped.

Transcript

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Chelseanever if you've never established the relationship, then technically it's learned my Wait, did you did you say I love you to the situationship? No. Did he say it to you? He let it slip once and then he was like, I didn't mean to

Lyannasay that. Wait, was it Were you only seeing him for those four years? It was a little bit on and off. Um, but I pretty much was only seeing him. Um because we I I

Lyannaguess for the first year it was still like casual if you would say. So I was open to dating other people. I didn't really I I catch feelings for someone and then I'm like not interested in seeing other people. I have that

Lyannaproblem. Um and then a little bit into it, he was like, "I don't want you hooking up with anybody else and I won't, but I also don't want to call you my girlfriend." And I was like, "Weird, but okay." And then so I was very loyal

Lyannato that, but he wasn't. And I think it was just his way of like making sure I wasn't and then he was gonna go do his thing. Got tricked. Yeah, definitely. Uh learned my lesson on that one. So would

Warren Smithyou do it again? No. Right. So then so then it wouldn't be serial, right? So if I met a girl and she was doing that repeatedly, I'd be like you're not learning. Yeah. That's a red flag. Well, I learned from that. That was like the last time I Yeah. Like if you can't

Warren Smithfigure out what you want with me in the span of a couple months, like maybe we should just move on or call it what it is. So yeah. And why would you find that more troubling? Actually, I want to know your thoughts. Well, I think it's people

Warren Smithdo crazy things in college. And I can I'm not saying you should do that. I can understand why that would be unappealing, but as opposed to that pattern, not that you are enacting that pattern, but I do think that that would

Warren Smithbe more of a red flag if you're trying to find a sustainable relationship than a balanced well well-rounded woman who had some experiences in college or whatnot. But also, you don't I'll just

Warren Smithleave it there, but a lot of this you don't need to disclose. If you did some stupid things, you know, in college, we I don't think it's the end all be all. Um, you know, just keep it

Crystal (Netherlands)private. That's what I want to do. Okay. But you said like you find it more troublesome going from situationship to situationship. And why would that be? because it shows that you're not learning as opposed to a short period of

Warren Smithtime of youthful stupidity as opposed to an adult who should be progressing and learning from those experiences. That pattern is more alarming. Just if I'm just going to balance two patterns, I'm

Casey Riveranot saying either is good. That would indicate more of a red flag to me. Does that make sense? Yeah. Very much. Yeah. cuz it also kind of seems like the

Casey Riveraperson is um trying to attach themselves or try to fill a void rather than take accountability and kind of trying to find a sense of dependability on someone else if that makes sense. Is that what

Brian Atlasyou're It could indicate a number of things is the problem. Okay. Right. I see your side. Yeah. Uh going back to Chelsea your notes uh a disagreement

Brian Atlasthat you had with the show is that you said sometimes execution of thoughts are poor. What do you mean by that?

ChelseaUh sometimes you can like word vomit things and it doesn't me or no no no I would say just in general people who come on the show they might say something and they word vomit it and

Brian Atlasthen they're like that's not actually what I meant. Oh okay. So other I mean I do that [ __ ] but sometimes other Okay. All right. Uh was was there like a specific topic that you think the execution is poor on or My

Chelseafirst question is are you sure these are my my notes Chelsea? Yeah. Uh here. Let me double check. But cuz I I watch your podcast and I don't have any issues most of the time with what

Brian Atlasyou Well, you sent some like originally. Let me I mean I'll double check. But back in April Yeah. April 5th, body counts. Sometimes execution of thoughts are poor. That's pretty much it. Probably.

Brian AtlasNo, I wouldn't be talking about you. I would probably say some of your guests. I don't think they always think through what they're saying. For sure. All right, moving on. Uh, you said I think this is yours. Maybe I [ __ ] it up

Chelseaagain. Uh, you said one time you were pegging a guy. No. Wait, who's that? Oh my gosh. No.

Brian AtlasWait, who's wait five year? Who is that? You Chelsea. No. Or uh Lyanna. Lyanna. Who said who sent me the [ __ ] Was it It might have been one of the flakes.

Brian AtlasHold on. Let me let me [ __ ] check on this. We had a couple flakes today. God damn. People flaking out. Let me let me find this [ __ ] Speak now. Was that you? Unless someone hacked my Instagram, I

Brian Atlaswouldn't have said that. Five year fiveear situationship with my younger boss. Okay, that part is true. But I did not the other part. No. Hold on. What

Chelseathe [ __ ] Wait. So, is it you or is it not you? No, that that second part was me. The 5-year relation situation is now my current Yeah, but I wouldn't have said that other part unless he took my phone, which

Brian Atlasyou're just embarrassed to admit it on camera. No, no, you literally Hold on. Chelsea. Chelsea. Yeah. Number six. Read the whole thing. One time you I don't

Brian Atlaswant I don't want to say I, but you you did say I, but one time you were pegging a guy and he uh did doodoo on you. Oh my god. Oh, I No, then he it it's in your notes. Okay, it might be. But I'm going

Chelseato say that the person that I'm with right now, he helped me No, seriously. He helped me fill these out and he's he watches the podcast and likes to serve. Oh, so he's pranking He pranked you? Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah, he's Yeah.

ChelseaUh-huh. Okay. No, seriously. So, but you did you actually peg a dude? Yes. Oh, okay. So, this happened. The [ __ ]

ChelseaWhat the [ __ ] Wait, this whole time you said no. Well, he kept going and I was like, wait, where is this going? Did you ask to do that? No, he asked for it. Yes.

Brian AtlasGod, I think your your man card gets revoked. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Whatever. Um, okay. Whatever. Right. Different stokes for different. Uh, you said your 5-year situationship was with your

Brian Atlasuh younger boss. Yeah. So, wait, you said you were in a 5-year relationship, but it wasn't a relationship. It was a situation. Yeah. No. No. Both. You had a 5-year relationship and a 5year situationship. Yeah. But the 5-year

Chelseasituationship is actually like where my current relationship is at now. Wait, with your younger boss? Yeah. Wait, you're dating the your situationship current? Yeah. It was like four years of us like being in a situationship and

Brian Atlaswithin the last year we established a relationship. So you've been in a official relationship for a year but you were is this the pegging dude? No. You pegged this guy? No. Okay. That was like the that like I said

Chelseahe likes to joke. So that would have been Yeah. But no fiveyear. But you were not exclusive in during the five years. During the four years we weren't exclusive. Okay. And

Brian Atlashe's younger than you. Yeah. How you're 32. How old is he? 27. Okay. 27. So he was like 22 when you guys met and you were like 27, I guess.

ChelseaYeah. Okay. And he's your boss. Yes. Where do you Where do you work? I work in You don't have to say the place. I work in agricultural transportation.

ChelseaYou're a truck driver? Uh, no. I am like an operations manager. So I manage truck drivers. You don't do you don't do the actual transportation, but you're No. Okay. But like logistics. I deal with the logistics of things. Okay. So,

Brian Atlasyou're like in front, you're in an office. Yeah, basically. Yeah. Okay. And he's your supervisor or something? Yeah. Have you disclosed this to HR? Um, is it

Brian Atlasa small company or Yeah, his dad's actually the owner of the company, so Oh, okay. It's like a lawsuit waiting to happen, but Okay.

ChelseaUh, okay. That's cool. Uh, you said you have a girlfriend, lesbian friend. Like you dated her or she's I did I dated her for a year. We broke up. We're better off as friends. We're currently friends.

ChelseaShe actually just got engaged last weekend. Congrats. To a woman? Yes. I see. Okay. But you were in So you're bisexual? No.

ChelseaBut you I dated one woman for a year and I Yeah, it was I was going through a lot of rough stuff and uh just just kind of

Alina (Russia)happened and then did something make you realize like yeah I'm straight. Yes. Yeah. What was it? Yeah. What was that? Um well I mean like a a conjuncture of

Chelseathings like a lot of things. Um, like I said, I think part of the reason that I was in the relationship is because I appreciated who she was as a person and like how she treated me and everything

Chelsealike that. But then I came to realize towards the tail end of things that we were just better off as friends. Like why am I in a relationship? This should

Chelseajust be a friendship type situation. H Did you find her sexually attractive? Um, yes. Yes, in the beginning for sure.

Brian AtlasShe was definitely more masculine in appearance and everything. So, wait, going around the table, what's everybody's orientation like? Straight, bisexual, lesbian. I'm straight. Straight. Straight. Well, now straight.

Brian AtlasNow straight. Straight. Straight. Straight. Straight. Uh, okay. Uh, that's cool. And okay, I guess moving on then. Five year

Brian Atlassituation situationship with your younger boss. Uh, I noticed on your ex you wrote you hate being a girl. This is

Chelseaa long ass time ago though. Your Twitter girl. Yeah, cuz I No, cuz it was probably when I was in college or something like it's old. Yeah, I don't I don't get on the

Brian Atlasalso. You also wrote on your Twitter, man. I just love me a big old bag of dicks. I don't know what a bag of dicks is, but

Brian AtlasNo. again, probably back in college with my like high school/col boyfriend and he Yeah. You said uh related to your current relationship with your boss, which was previously like a four or five

Chelseayear situationship. Uh you said his mom hates you. Why? Why is that? Um, I don't really have a concrete

Chelseaanswer, but what he and I have decided is she thinks that any female that he's with is going to end up stealing the lifestyle that she currently has. Her

Chelsealifestyle. Yes. She she works for the company in a very small capacity. Um, but she goes on trips,

Chelseavacations, things like that. And I think she thinks that any female that he's with, cuz he's he's set to take over the business here in the next um I don't

Chelseaknow, extended period of time. And she's afraid that whoever he ends up with is going to have an like have some type of say in how her lifestyle will be

Brian Atlaschanged. Do you her her the Mars? Her lifestyle for sure. Yeah. Okay. So, she's got like a cushy Nepo job and if Yeah. if once he takes over that's

Chelseapotentially at risk because of the new leadership of the company. Yeah. That or like their finances in general will be cut back because his dad will retire and I don't think she likes the idea of

Brian Atlasthat. Oh, okay. All right. It's not about It's not really related to like anything about Oh, no. She just doesn't like me though, too. Good times. That's Yeah. She uh Yeah. Okay. Uh you said that you don't

Brian Atlasadvertise at work that you guys are seeing each other. you keep things business at work. Uh, okay. You said you're curious as to how other females feel about how dating apps, social media, eh, we'll skip that.

Brian AtlasUh, you said that you feel like modern dating has turned into a pursuit for the next best thing. Women also think that sleeping around puts them on the same level as men. Okay.

Brian AtlasEh, yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to bite there, but No, it's okay. Uh, pretty much agree. Uh, I'm going to let some chats come through, then we're going to get into the rest of the notes. We have Josh Brooks here. Yo, Josh, thank you,

Brian Atlasman. Warren brings up a good point. Simply having a conversation about different things that includes and affects both parties, seeing the reactions. Don't put blinders on to the

Brian Atlasreactions. And he has a follow-up message. He says, "He had a girl one time bring this up and out of nowhere asked me how I pronounce Dei Moore's

Brian Atlasname. turned into a whole situation after I said it wrong and asked some clarifying questions. Be careful, guys. Wait, all over how you said her name. Did she get the ick? She You broke up

Brian Atlaswith your girl because you didn't know how to pronounce Dei Moore. Thought it was Demi Moore. Bullet dodged, I guess. Bullet dodged. Thank you, Josh Brooks, for the uh messages, man. Really appreciate it. Good to see

Brian Atlasyou, man. We got beat and cheeks. Oh, boy. He's got a roast for that for you guys. Chair one and four have more red flags than the CCP, Chinese Communist Party. Stay away from them folk

Brian Atlasfolk. Okay, plural that. Uh, body count is going to matter for established men perhaps not low testosterone males. They don't mind getting leftovers. Oh my goodness. Wow. Okay. From Beating Cheeks, any uh you have thoughts on

Brian Atlasthat? It looks like Well, I said the body count does matter. Ah, there you have it. She She did say that. She did say that. Okay, we got Lucas. Thank you be beating cheeks though. Uh, one chair

Brian Atlasone uh, one sexual temperance is optimal for both sexes, but there is a double standard. I've said this in a previous episode, but trust me, double standards very much go the other way as well. Eg.

Brian AtlasWhen I turn 18, I signed up with the select with selective service. You didn't. When the Titanic goes down, you get whisked off to the lifeboat. I hang out and listen to the chamber orchestra.

Brian AtlasWhen some beaches in Normandy needed storming, a bunch of 18-year-old boys were sent to do the storming. You stayed back and played Rosie the Riveter, etc.

Brian AtlasI believe this is in response to when you were talking about body count and you were saying how uh there's maybe a double standard as it relates to this

Brian Atlaslike men maybe get judged less harshly when it comes to their promiscuity whereas women get judged quite harshly for theirs. I'm still confused on what he said to be

Brian Atlashonest. I just saw a bunch of I was like I lost I have a question for you. What decade was World War I? Why do we have to do this right now?

Casey RiveraJust Just a basic This is a historical pod discussion podcast. Don't look at me. 1920s. 1920s. 1920s like 1918. I don't Oh, you

Brian Atlasshouldn't have answered. Yeah, you're helping your girl out over um God, I'm going to look so stupid right now. Lucas, do you want to add a clarify? Lucas, you got her all confused. There's

LyannaYou're throwing World War II history at her. Um, it's crazy cuz my ex was a big history buff. So, but I think when he started to talk about it, I just started to kind of like drift off. He loved to

Lyannatalk about it and I was like, "You lost me. I'm sorry." Did you talk about the Roman Empire? Do you want me to talk about the Roman? Did he? Oh, I was like, uh, I don't even like I said, I got he said a lot of things about all of the we

Brian Atlashave a lot of like we had a lot of books in our house about World War II, so he loved to talk about it, but yeah. Sorry. Okay, going back to uh Chelsea's notes then. Let's see. Chelsea, uh, no,

Crystal (Netherlands)actually, we finished Chelsea's notes. We did. Uh, Kasumi, what are the green flags when it comes to dating? I would like to know that. We're always talking about green flags and well, yeah. Uh, green. I think for a

Crystal (Netherlands)man he need Oh, I think for a man he needs to be capable. And I mean with that I mean um if we're both playing a a game or something, he needs to be um

Crystal (Netherlands)showing that he's good at it. Like Mario Kart or some [ __ ] What game? What kind of game? What are we talking about? Let me see. Uh like we're playing soccer for

Crystal (Netherlands)example. If he sucks at it and I don't, it's kind of like Yeah. I I like a bit of competition, I would say. But also in handling situations outside, um maybe someone drops a bag with a lot of

Crystal (Netherlands)groceries. If I see him act upon that and help the person out with the grocery bags, then I think that's like a really green good flag. Um now, my English must

Crystal (Netherlands)not is probably not uh explaining this very well, but uh being capable, being able to do things better than other people. Competence. We're always I think your point cuz

Warren Smithwe're always in the game whether we know it or not at some some level every area basically. I think that's a big uh green flag for a man. All right. Uh we'll go around the table. Give us like one green

Casey Riveraflag. Green flag. Yeah. Not taking life too seriously. Sense of humor. Okay. Sense of humor. What about you? I feel like

Casey Riveradiscipline and um knowledge are very important. like someone that wants to grow and has like goals for themselves. I feel like that's a really green flag

Chelseafor me. I would have to say like someone who's compassionate like towards other people. Compassion. Okay. Alina, green flag. I

Alina (Russia)would say if he has a lot of leadership qualities and he's dominant, that's a green flag. This sounds uh probably bare minimum, but somebody who's mentally stable.

Brian AtlasFair. That's a great Yeah, that's correct. Okay. Um, emotional intelligence. Mhm. What is What is that? Someone who

Katrina (Greek)can someone who can express their emotions and communicate productively. May I jump in? Somebody who's not emotionally unavailable or somebody who's not emotionally constipated.

Katrina (Greek)Pretty much. What does that Yeah. What does that mean? emotional unavailability or like you said emotionally constantly. Yeah, it's just like a funny way of saying emotionally unavailable. I guess just unable to or struggles to empathize

Katrina (Greek)or be able like empathize not in like a like a sociopathic kind of way but just struggles to express themselves does not feel particularly comfortable being vulnerable in a relationship and that

Crystal (Netherlands)can in turn affect relationship overall in more aspects than just a relationship I think in all aspects of life. Absolutely. Because I think usually women experience men just shutting down and not wanting to talk about things and

Felicityemotional intelligence is the opposite of that. They can I experienced that with my ex. It was like so hard to have a conversation sometimes cuz he would just shut down and I'm like trying to talk about it. Then he brings it up later. He's like, "Oh, but I was upset

Katrina (Greek)about that." Like, "But you didn't tell me." Yeah. I want someone that can communicate productively. Exactly. And then it also affects us as like the more emotional emotional counterpart or emotionally intelligent counterpart I

Katrina (Greek)guess in this case where then we don't feel comfortable. It kind of reflects on us and it makes us feel uncomfortable um opening up or expressing ourselves to our partner because we feel like we're going to be judged or not well received

Crystal (Netherlands)by them. Right. Yeah. Making our feelings feel valid. So you're uh open to express your feelings and he's open to receiving them and understanding them. What if her feelings are wrong? He

Brian Atlascan say that. Like, what if she's just wrong? If he disagrees, I get you feel that way, but you're just you're you're wrong about the disagreement or the issue. That's those are two different

Crystal (Netherlands)things, right? You can feel something that can be legit, but your choice in something could be the wrong thing. Mhm. I suppose there can be some degree of separation, but I mean expressing like

Katrina (Greek)it's okay to feel this way, but you are wrong about it. Like do you mean in the sense like somebody cheats who's and they're like I I feel bad about cheating, but it's still wrong that they

Brian Atlasdid that. Like what do you No, no, that's not what I'm like the way she feels about the situation. Like for example, you guys could agree that someone might like feel uh this doesn't really necessarily

Brian Atlasrelate to a dating context, but somebody might feel scared, but there's actually no uh there's no actual uh

Crystal (Netherlands)reason for it. There's like an irrational fear, right? Sometimes that happens, right? Sometimes you can feel something and cannot really explain why that is. That happens. It's very I I struggle with this. It's very

Warren Smithfrustrating. Something I need to improve or whatnot, but it appears like that on the surface, but also you got to see what is that guy dealing with and what's the dynamic of that relationship? Is he

Warren Smithexpected to provide entirely and and there's also different degrees if you just lost a parent or something very difficult happened

Crystal (Netherlands)versus I'm having a bad day or a subtle fear or something. It's I'm often oblivious to it that men have that more often when um

Crystal (Netherlands)usually women focus on little thingies and um their emotion can go up and down and men are not really aware of that but some men are and probably that fits into

Warren Smiththat as well that uh often we're aware of it I think but we just there's almost something instinctual about like okay but I have other you don't say that out loud but your mind is okay, but I have all these

Felicitythings I got to do right now. And you're trying to address that as well. But you said something interesting. You were like calling them out. Um, like it's okay to have opposing opinions. And I

Felicitythink that it's okay if your partner doesn't want to talk about it right now. Like they can tell you that I don't want to talk about it. And they can if they do want to talk about it and they think that you're just being irrational or

Alina (Russia)they just don't agree with whatever your thoughts or feelings are, that's okay. You can talk about it. Yeah, I think there can be a lot of miscommunications as well because some people deal with their issues

Alina (Russia)differently like uh for some people it may be more beneficial to not talk about their issues all the time because it can make it worse for them whereas for others they want to talk about their issues to someone that they care about.

Alina (Russia)Like for me for example, if I'm stressed about something I don't want to talk about it because if I do it's going to make me think about it more and going to make me more frustrated about it. For some people it can be opposite. So, it's

Alina (Russia)important to establish what your um communication style is, I guess, in the relationship before you jump to conclusions of any kind. I agree with

Brian Atlasthat. Okay. Uh were we did we get all the way around the table? Felicity, did did you say a green flag or Yeah, I was the one that said emotional intelligence. Oh, that was you. Okay.

Warren SmithWarren green flag when it comes to dating. being able to, this kind of goes back to being able to have those conversations, but I can, I don't want this to be a red flag, but often I'll say you're on a

Warren Smithdate or something. I was just thinking about this the other day. A couple years ago, I had a date at this bar and JK Rowling came up, ironically, and this girl was

Warren Smithlike, I don't I was like, why do you care about this so much? And then I knew in that moment, I might as well leave. The states over. I was like, whatever. I'm just going to have some fun with it. what evidence do you have that she's transphobic? And like just to hear it

Warren Smithout, it was just mind-blowing though. And that's happened so many different iterations around like, oh, Jordan Peterson says something I really think is intelligent. Wait a minute. Are you racist? And it leads into this whole

Warren Smiththing. I can't tell you how many times I've encountered conversations like that that So I guess what I'm trying to say for a green flag would be kind of someone said sanity. It's just

Crystal (Netherlands)oh mentally st mentally stable. more just yeah like the word based is thrown around a lot like to deal with her emotions like learn that she knows how

Warren Smithto handle her emotions in a way yes but it's also rational it's that's very important to be able to if they don't have control of their emotions just like

Warren Smithin a guy it's hopeless absolutely but it's more just are you are they caught up in the narratives that are going around kind of goes to the idea of the red pill blue pill because our world is just full of

Warren Smithstories that people are buying into and the moment you question that just on the level of Jordan Peterson said something I wait a minute what is that who are you that's the response you can get and it's

Brian Atlasmore common than you think so h green flags in a woman green flags

Brian Atlasuh probably uh I I enjoy acts of service receiving not kidding [Laughter] So, she's basically like if she's down to

Brian Atlasbasically, not literally, figuratively, be a slave to like do [ __ ] for me. Big green flag. Oh, I you know, I got like some uh trees at my house. You want to

Brian Atlaswater the trees? All right. Like doing chores, yard work, laundry. I'm putting her to work basically. And she's like on board. She's like, "Yes, give me things to do." She's a keeper. Agreed. I agree.

Warren SmithAnd I would describe that as traditional values, which is one of the big green flags in the person I'm with now. And that was something that I didn't encounter much before. It was literally the phrase, I'm looking for a man with

Warren Smithtraditional values. And that was like, ooh, that was a big green flag. Yeah. She should be able

Brian Atlasto uh plow a field. if she can plow a field, you know. Um, let's see. What's another

Brian Atlasgreen flag? Temperance. So, I like uh I don't I don't drink or do drugs or smoke or anything. So, I definitely prefer a woman who uh not not really a

Warren Smithdrinker, doesn't go to bars, clubs, that sort of thing. What else? Um, I like a whiskey at night and she doesn't drink at all, but she doesn't get on my case about that. I kind of

Warren Smithlaid that out there. as something that's important to me. Like you will never here was the deal I made. I was like you will never see me drunk and if I'm ever drunk if I can't in an emergency do what I need to do like call me out like you won't see that. That's the kind of the deal that

Brian Atlaswe made. Thought you were about to say like in some emergencies I might need to get drunk. Getting drunk emergency. Uh what what are some other green flags?

Brian AtlasUm a lack of vanity. Lack of vanity is big. What does that mean? Well, this would manifest itself in a couple different ways. So, I typically prefer

Brian Atlaswomen who wear minimal or no makeup. Uh I'm I'm like a natural body supremacist. So, I I don't like plastic surgery. I don't like Botox. I don't like lip fillers. I don't like any of that stuff.

Warren SmithUh so, agree with that. But with come along with that comes the discipline to maintain to put in the effort into fitness so that you can get to that natural beauty. nothing stands out like

Warren SmithI think what you're saying like natural beauty I don't mind makeup some makeup um but just someone because that if someone is naturally it shows discipline I think on

Warren Smithso many different psychological levels it's not just oh you're attractive it shows that you have the discipline and willingness to put in even once we're in this relationship into the future is I

Warren Smiththink guys are often thinking about that quietly without saying anything what is this woman going going to look like years from now. Is she going to get comfortable and everything's it's superficial. I understand. But a man

Brian Atlasdoesn't want to be attracted to anyone else but you. Ideally, I'm okay with like a little mascara, eyeliner. I'll allow it. I'll accept it. But anything you're putting on, you know, bunch of it

Brian Atlascan be overdone. You don't want to be catfished like in person or anything. Yeah. And uh well, it's interesting. The thing with makeup is like as a guy, you can be consciously like you can see the

Brian Atlasfoundation or powder or whatever it's called on her face and like and all the other makeup that she has on and you can be consciously aware that she is wearing makeup, but you still can't quite pierce

Brian Atlasthrough the veil that makeup uh that makeup sort of the illusion it creates. uh you can maybe take some like guesses in your mind's eye of like what she looks like without it, but like the

Brian Atlaseffect of makeup I think strikes at a bit more of like a subconscious level almost where it's like the bamboozle, even if you know she's wearing makeup, the bamboozle has still like hit you.

Brian AtlasYou're perhaps more attracted to her than you otherwise would be uh had it not been for the makeup. So um yeah, ideally you don't see the makeup. I think when that's what you kind of want, but if you're going to be in a

Alina (Russia)relationship with her, you're eventually going to see her without the makeup, right? No. I mean, some of these girls, man, they keep that [ __ ] on. At night, you can see like if you you can be like, "Babe, like, you know, wash your face."

Brian AtlasLike, you can see if you she has a little bit, you can still see it. Yeah. Eventually I Yeah, sure. eventually is going to be in my bathroom and you're going to wash your face before

Brian Atlaseventually you would see it. But um I mean I'd still prefer like it's not that I will eventually at one point see what you truly look like. It's just I have a preference leaning towards people who

Brian Atlasjust don't wear again mascara, eyeliner, whatever. Not a big deal. But if you're doing like full face typically not my not my thing. Not my thing. You have something on

Lyannathis. Let's jump in on this. What if on a day-to-day basis it's just mascara, but you are going out to a nice dinner or to an event, so she wants to put on like more makeup that day or something.

Crystal (Netherlands)Like, are you weird about that? Would you just rather her always be natural? I feel like sometimes there's an occasion where it's like, yeah. Yeah. I would be flattered. Like my boyfriend also prefers me with nothing on my face. So, I would be really flattered if he says,

Brian Atlas"Don't you don't have to put on anything." Right. Uh if she like for a specific event, if she wanted to wear makeup, I yeah, I'd probably be fine with it, but I I would tell her you

Brian Atlasdon't have to do like you don't I wouldn't care. But if she wanted to do it, I don't think I wouldn't have object object any objections to it. But if like

Brian Atlasshe's wearing that [ __ ] on the regular Mhm. eh, not a fan. Not a fan of it. That's fair. Yeah. And uh I was thinking about this the other day though with

Brian Atlaswith the whole makeup thing. And I don't know if like sometimes uh I don't know y'all really like to defend your makeup. Like you get offended, you'll get upset like the [ __ ]

Brian Atlashe he's coming for the makeup. He's coming for the makeup. Would you do this trade-off? This would just level the playing field across the board. No women could wear makeup. Nobody could wear

Brian Atlasmakeup. Would you give up makeup under those circumstances? But you have to, right? Right. Well, it's the idea here. I think one of the reasons women wear makeup, it's

Brian Atlasit's compared to what? So, if you're like, all the other women are wearing makeup and if I don't wear make it's kind of like steroids in sports. Well, all the other athletes are doing steroids. They're going to outperform me, out compete me if I don't do the

Brian Atlassteroids, too. But if no women wear makeup, there would be less incentive to wear makeup because no other women are wearing it. I mean, I guess there's other differences like there's the internal component, too. So, that would

Brian Atlasbe the external, but the internal component is like just your own vision of yourself and wanting to feel comfortable or confident when you go out or whatever it is. But if nobody else is wearing makeup, even that would be

Chelseasomewhat uh reduced, I guess. No, I agree with you 100%. I feel like it's all the internal part is because we all are surrounded by makeup on a daily basis. Like you look at a person, you're like, "Oh, she did her makeup. She looks

Chelseagreat." So, I feel like I need to do my makeup to look great. And then it's just stuck in your head and you can't can't get away from it. So, no. I completely agree. If no one wore makeup, I think we'd all be a little bit happier. My

Brian Atlasbigger grievance though has to do with plastic surgery. Like, I not not a fan of plastic surgery. Anybody here Botox? Can you tell by I just tried to raise my

Brian Atlaseyebrows and they were just like, "Oh, you have how many what is it the what what's the the measurement that they use?" I have no idea. Is it c units? How many units of Botox? I

Lyannaactually don't know. Um You lost track. No, I mean I they don't I just told them this is where I want it and I don't know how many they did. But But have you gone like multiple times to I've only done it twice. Twice. Um it's like a once a year

Brian Atlaslift. They wiggle. Okay. Okay, they move. What about Have you had the filler in the lips? Yeah, just a little bit. I I don't like to go overboard, but Anybody else had lip filler or anything?

Crystal (Netherlands)Okay. Yeah, I'm not a fan of the all that stuff, but Sorry. Apology accepted. What's the makeup? I think also everybody and especially women like

Crystal (Netherlands)pretty things. They like to look pretty. They uh want to feel pretty. So, I think next to social media because social media is pushing all the women to wear a bunch of makeup. But I think also I also

Crystal (Netherlands)think that women uh just like to look beautiful and feel beautiful and makeup is a part of that. But are you doing it to enhance your features or are you doing to hide something? That's the line in there. If makeup was banned, people

Alina (Russia)would still find loop loopholes in it like uh girls would use like berries and stuff and like stuff that's like colored like red or different colors or whatever or for your eyelashes. Like in Egypt

Alina (Russia)they used to use all types of stuff like before like charcoal or I don't even know just stuff that's not makeup but just like with every other law people would find loopholes in it. Well, it

Brian Atlassure I suppose, but the idea here is like you you would just totally get rid of makeup and then uh I don't know there's just like a so a social cultural zeitgeist whereas like okay we're just

Alina (Russia)generally not going to put [ __ ] on our face that alters our appearance. But how would you know that if somebody has raspberries on her face like for cheek flesh you wouldn't see that but you would just see I mean I would I would see I mean it would have but you don't

Brian Atlasknow what it is. It could be just her natural face. You know what I'm All right, Miss Loophole over here. Yo, hey, get us some some raspberries. We're going to have her put some raspberries on her face. Do we have any fruit back there? We can have her. We got some of

Crystal (Netherlands)those pizza some pizza, some pepperonis, some [ __ ] Dorito dust. Should we put some of that on your face? Um, I would think the world would be a better place actually. It would be healthier for us,

Crystal (Netherlands)but we also would have less competition between women because women I think they silently compete with each other who looks better than the other. So, I think it would be actually a good idea. I I

Brian Atlasthink it would actually be a good thing to like Well, first off, I mean, the makeup the cosmetic industry is like a trillion maybe I'm exaggerating there. It's a like h half a trillion dollar

Brian Atlasindustry yearly. And like, think of those think of those cargo ships sending that paint ac from [ __ ] China across and you know they're they're burning bunker fuel. I don't know if you guys

Brian Atlasprobably don't know what that is, but they're burning bunker fuel and [ __ ] and it's just like so that women can feel moderately more attractive. Holy [ __ ] You know, I like one thing I like to test out with environmentalists,

Brian Atlasfemale environmentalists. So, I asked them, would you be willing to never wear makeup again? Never. Anyways, that's stupid. Sorry, we're getting off topic. We got some chats here. Uh Josh Brooks,

Brian Atlasokay, got to ask the panel, what is your most embarrassing dating story? something that happened in public or private, intimate or not, that was embarrassing and stayed with you. Anybody got embarrassing dating

Chelseastory besides the pegging for you over there? Sorry, guys. Yeah, I feel like I do, but I cannot think of it on the spot. I think it's bad enough that a guy got your name tattooed on him after. So,

LyannaI mean, that's pretty I'm flattered personally. I'm not embarrassed. Do you think he would be embarrassed? Oh, I'm sure now that we're not together because he does tell me all the time that he regrets it and I was like, I gave you most embarrassing. I don't know. I've

Brian Atlasgot a couple. I got a bunch [ __ ] Wait. Okay, let me pull up my bad dates [ __ ] notepad thing. Uh, one time I was on this date with this girl and uh

Brian Atlasshe was coming over and like at my place where I was living at the time, there's a bunch of hedges. Bunch of hedges. And she like there's two different entrance

Brian Atlasto entrances and there's there were spiders like spider webs in the hedge and she got uh and she was coming over and it was going down right and but she

Brian Atlasgot bit like and she came so she got bit walked through the spiderweb got bit by the spider needless to say and then she started feeling unwell. So needless to

Brian Atlassay uh I got [ __ ] blocks by a spider. That was pretty embarrassing. Uh there was another time I was on a date with a girl and I had a actually it was kind of like one of these. I had a big water

Brian Atlasbottle with me. I brought a water bottle. When I'm home though, I have like an RORO reverse osmosis water system. I'm on this date with her and it's going good. It's going okay, but I could, you know, by the end of it, I

Brian Atlasdon't know. It wasn't a good match. Whatever. And uh we're getting up to leave and then she's like, "Hey, I need to I just want to say one more thing to you." She's like, "That water ball you have."

Brian AtlasShe gets really serious. It's like, "Uh, it's really bad for the environment. You should like get like a like a glass thing." And I'm like I'm

Brian Atlaslike, "Well, I tell her I'm like, "Look, I don't drink out of this shit." Like I I have it at home. I have a glass, you know, cup. And she's like, "Well, even when you're going out, you know, you

Brian Atlasshould just have a glass uh, you know, like a little a glass of wine. And then I was like, "Hold on, let me [ __ ] debate you for a second." And I was I was like, "Well, what kind of car you drive?" Because I

Brian Atlashappen to drive a hybrid. Oh, you you don't drive a hybrid. Well, [ __ ] you. And then um and I was like, "Oh, you're wearing makeup. That [ __ ] came in a plastic container. I

Brian Atlassee you're wearing a little bit of something." That [ __ ] came in plastic. And then but she got upset that I pushed back. Uhhuh. I mean it was clearly

Brian Atlasnothing was going to happen. Yeah. But she she felt the need to be like make a stand against me on a date cuz I had a plastic I'm not even jo like this actually happened

Brian Atlasand I don't know if she was expecting for me to allow her to lecture me like cuz it was kind of she was condescending with it. It wasn't just like hey I had a really nice date. Um, I don't know in

Brian Atlaswhat I don't even know how you could like uh phrase that sort of thing to make it not be condescending, but tr she was like really she was upset with me

Brian Atlascuz I had a plastic water bottle. So I was like the [ __ ] And so I had to like I'm the type of person I don't like conflict but if you're game I'm gay. So

Brian AtlasI'll argue with you. But then I I started arguing back with it. not like insulting her, but I was just like, "Well, let's investigate your uh footprint." What is it called? The footprint. The carbon footprint. Let's

Brian Atlasinvestigate yours. And I was like, "Do you do XYZ?" And then she she started getting up like she just wanted to she wanted to say her piece and leave, but I will not allow an environmentalist to have the last words. So, that was really

Alina (Russia)embarrassing. And the whole the bar started overhearing this [ __ ] Oh gosh. She waited till the end of the date like she was like you're saying your goodbyes and she's like by the way your water

Brian Atlasbottle really. Yeah. So it was like it it was towards the end of the date cuz I I we we were there for I don't know 2 hours or whatever and I was like hey uh

Brian Atlasthe convo was good but I think like she wasn't really feeling it whatever. And then I I was like okay well hey it was nice meeting you uh you know whatever

Felicitylater. And like as we're about to get up, she's like, "One more thing." That was that was pretty bad. Um she saw the water bottle. Do you mean embarrassing

Brian Atlasfor us or for them? That just that was like mutually embarrassing, I think. Um but it could it could I think embarrassing for you? Oh, the or both. I don't know. Well, I don't know cuz I

Felicitymean mine wasn't I mean whatever is Why do you have What about someone? Well, something like that kind of happened to me. Like we had a we had a good date. I don't know. It wasn't really a date.

Felicitykind just like hung out and um at the end he was driving me home and he's like by the way I'm a Soundcloud rapper and I was like I was like okay and he said do

Felicityyou want to listen to some of my music and I'm not I'm not going to say no I mean so I was like yeah and it was just the worst stuff I ever heard and I never saw him again because it was just really uncomfortable and he kept asking me like

Felicityfive times if I liked it and I was like yeah I like it was awful. Did he write any songs about you? No, it was like like a mixture of like screo like metal

Felicitymusic and rap. And I would have never expected it from him. Like he just seemed like a totally normal guy, but I guess he makes screo rap and I it wasn't for me. I knew a Soundcloud rapper back

Alina (Russia)in high school, like early high school that was trying to date me and uh he wrote a couple songs about me. It was really sweet. A that's cute. That

Lyannaactually reminds me that there was a situation um not too long ago where I tried to go on a date with this guy and he drove me back home after and wouldn't wouldn't let me get out of the car. Um I

Lyannaknow that sounds horrible, but he was like, "Hold on, wait." and he puts on he puts on the Greece soundtrack and like locks the doors and I I swear like from

Lyannastart to finish started like singing all I started like wait hold on like he had the the se like was it a C no like he pulled it up on like Spotify or whatever and like from like started playing every single song

Lyannain the Gree sound drive. How long were you in the car? Well, he like I kept saying like he's like, "Wait, don't know this one." And then he put on like Hopelessly Devoted to You and I was like, "I have to go." And I actually started recording him secretly because I

Lyannacouldn't believe I was like, "Nobody's going to believe me." Um Oh my god. Yeah. Sorry. The grease. Yeah. So random. Yeah. Like fully like the grease on track. He's saying it. Yeah. He was like belting it. Super high pitch. I was like, "That's kind of a green flag. I'm

Alina (Russia)not going to lie." Oh, you should have heard it. You think that's a green flag? I think that's a green flag. No, my skin was crawling. the car and a guy just sit there saying to you that you went on a date with it wasn't like holding you hostage is holding I kept like trying to

Lyannaknow but he's like no no no and he kept like locking the door I'd like unlocking he's like no like you got to hear this next one I was like I've watched Greece before like I know what comes next you don't have to sing it did did he what

Lyannaabout like that part where it's like tell me more tell me more did she put up a fight I would that would be a scary moment for me I mean when he first locked the doors right when I went to go grab the handle that already scared me I

Lyannawas like, I'm going to get out now. And then he asked if I wanted to go on another date another date and I said no. While you were in the car or like after. Oh yeah. He was just kept texting me. He was like so like sushi. And I was like

Lyannaso like no. Sorry. What would be the worst musical to start singing while you're on a date with a girl? Oh wait. And then after Sorry to interrupt after that one he did what was it? The um Pitch Perfect.

LyannaThat's what it was. Pitch like there was like one Pitch Perfect song. Who was it? That's when it really got me. He was like went from grace to pitch perfect. I was like, so he was a theater kid. I

Brian Atlasdidn't think I guess. I don't know. This was this like a Hail Mary just like [ __ ] it's not going well. Maybe if she hears me sing

Lyannamusicals from the 1970s or whatever. Or was it the '8s? I don't know. Um, damn. Yeah. I don't know. Jaw was to the floor. He was blasting it. I was like, "My neighbors can hear this. Like, please shut the music off. It would be

Brian Atlascute if it wasn't like a first date. Like if she's into musical. I'm sorry. If you're married, that's an insta divorce. If if any women here, if you're married to a dude and he starts singing

Felicitylike grease lightning, you got to Well, it's kind of if he's like into theater stuff, like that's cute, I guess. But he tries to come off he tries to come off

Lyannavery like like hood kind of. So that's when it was like I was like where's he white guy like he tries to be like he's like a sneaker head and like tries to be very

Lyannalike so that's why no when he started singing hopelessly devoted to you I was like I'm out of this car now like if it was at least a little bit predictable I think I'd give him the benefit of the doubt like secondhand no I had to I

Lyannaunfortunately showed it to all my friends I immediately sent Do you have the video still is it on your TikTok god no I didn't post it anywhere I didn't want to like publicly I didn't want to publicly humiliate him. But I definitely sent it to the group chat and I was

Casey Riveralike, "Can somebody just feel this with me?" Cuz like I was it was next level secondhand embarrassment. I watched that and I watched that in the group chat and then I was like, "I can't I can't even I couldn't even finish it."

Casey RiveraI watched the first 5 seconds and I was like, she was not stuck in there for like 10 minutes. No, it was definitely like a 5 minutee long video. I was like, "Got to go." God, you need compensation. Yeah. No, I I really do.

LyannaPoor guy. What if a guy What if a guy uh just started I'm trying to think what what if he started rapping? Would that have been better? That's happened to me before, too. That's what happened to me.

LyannaI had a guy start freestyling and he asked me to hop in. I he like put on like a tight beat on YouTube and was like, "Damn." Yeah, that was kind of funny because I feel like

Alina (Russia)it's it's cringy but it's at least kind of funny. Like at least it's not. That's like a bonding experience. It's like freestyle date. Yeah. What would be the

Brian Atlasworst song though to sing to a girl? Obviously devoted to you. Let's see. We have Chaw here with a message. Hey Warren, happy to see you on

Brian Atlasthe podcast. I've enjoyed a lot of your content. There is something enjoyable about listening to someone who looks like a leftist say based [ __ ] though.

Brian AtlasDo you want to respond to that? That's fair, I guess. Wait, throw on You should throw on the jacket. You know, it'll take maybe. I don't know. Uh, we have someone looks

Brian Atlaslike they bought a t-shirt. Thank you, whoever did that. Okay, moving on with the notes here. Uh, let's see. That person was Oh, wait. Where am I? Okay,

Brian Atlaswe have uh oh, back to Kasumi. Uh, what can women do to become more desirable to men and vice versa? Why don't you start? I think uh become a little bit more

Crystal (Netherlands)feminine. Uh that would help a lot for men. Um I think me uh women are taking the lead too often when dating and in relationships. And uh if you're not

Crystal (Netherlands)allowing the men to do these things, then he wouldn't feel needed. So why would he choose you? I would say so I think one of the first things is yeah

Crystal (Netherlands)looking at yourself and how can you become more feminine? I think being more feminine would make you more desirable to men. Okay. Anybody else have any

Katrina (Greek)thoughts on that? What can women do to become more desirable to men and vice versa? Oh, I agree with that 100%. And I think being feminine, it's it's very important and to exude those qualities

Katrina (Greek)for men. I mean, at least in the conservative realm of things in the conservative dating area. Um it is important to exude those qualities as a

Katrina (Greek)woman as it is for a man to uh show qualities of being a provider and being like being able to trust him to uh you

Katrina (Greek)know in my case you know when I if I'm going on a date I want to make sure that you know they're eventually in the future they'd be able to uh support me and I think those qualities are um important but for a man to be able to

Katrina (Greek)show those off I think the woman has to trust him and learn that level of trust. And for a man to be able to provide and be able to do those things, a woman does

Katrina (Greek)have to exude some feminine qualities to make him trust her in in return. Wait, the man has to exude I'm sorry. No, no, the the the woman exudes feminine

Katrina (Greek)feminine qualities. You know, men will um be more willing to provide for her such as, you know, wife wife qualities like what Brian was saying, like willing to do uh certain like, you know, acts of

Katrina (Greek)service or favors. I think uh men will be more willing to commit themselves to a woman that will that will provide those those uh qualities. I think though

Casey Riveraif men were just more dominant and they can have a woman be in their feminine nature already. I think that's what helps be women or helps women be in

Casey Riveratheir feminine nature because I feel like in my in this in my past relationship I felt like it was always 50/50. That's why I kind of felt like I was in touch with my mascul my

Casey Riveramasculinity side and my feminine side but not so much my feminine side. and now in this relationship that I'm in, he just kind of took the lead. So, I've been already in my feminine side since

Casey Riverathe get-go. So, I just feel like it's not more so uh women need to learn how to be more feminine. It's just men need to be learn how to take the lead and

Katrina (Greek)kind of open the doors and show and just be the I don't know, just be dominant. I no I 100% agree with that because it it it it takes you know we have to learn we have to be able to trust you or trust

Katrina (Greek)men and I can say from my first relationship which was you know in high school um I looking back I felt more like the man because he was he just

Katrina (Greek)exuded more feminine uh qualities because he was so emotional. It felt like it felt like I don't want to say it felt like I was dating a woman, but sometimes it did feel like it. And it's like I I didn't feel secure. And you

Katrina (Greek)know, that was my first relationship, so I didn't know what security or what healthiness looked like. And the problems in that relationship were more than just he acted more feminine. Like he he had, you know, uh it was a very

Katrina (Greek)toxic relationship, very uh underneath the surface. But, you know, I didn't feel I didn't know how it felt to to feel feminine. So, I totally agree that the man does have to um prove himself as well. I

Warren Smiththink it goes both ways. I think both parties do their share. I think it takes men longer than you guys even think for men to develop to that point where they

Warren Smithyou have to the way I describe it is you have to become it before you can be it. And it has to be real in a sense. When you're young in your 20s, it's like you're playing a game in a way. you're trying to go through the motions to

Warren Smithsimulate these things because it's not cognitively embedded almost and we're living in a culture as well. I think many men at that age are afraid to show any dominance. Of course, they don't

Warren Smithwant to cross some line. So, a good thing that women could do would be to kind of give permission if I don't know how that would I think that I'm sorry.

Katrina (Greek)Go ahead. Um, I think that would be more of like a a communication sort like a a situation for communicating within the relationship and within, you know, going on dates. I feel like that's part of the point of dating. You you get to know people to see if you are compatible, if

Warren Smithyou are well aligned. And that's why it's important to get, you know, examine those those gender roles like from the beginning. I feel like to make sure especially when you're politically aligned and religious like very important like you can avoid the dynamic

Warren Smiththat Brian encountered, the dynamic I encountered in the same scenario just with JK Rowling. It's the same thing where they're just shocked that you would disagree and it's like as if they've never encountered that

Katrina (Greek)before. Exactly. And I think, you know, I mean, I don't know. I I think like, you know, the the feminist movement in some way has also contributed to making men uh feel more like retreat into their shells and feel scared and not be able

Katrina (Greek)to step up feel capable of stepping up or feel comfortable stepping up and feeling dominant because they're worried they're going to be be accused of something like a Me Too movement or something. Dominant has a bad connotation though. Yeah, we need to change that. I think it's important that

Katrina (Greek)we we change that in a more positive way. Not toxic dominance, but healthy dominance. I think that's very important. Where's the line? Where's the line? Yeah. Do you got Do you believe in toxic

Alina (Russia)masculinity? No. Okay. Interesting. Does anybody believe in toxic masculinity here? I think there can be toxic people who can be masculine. I agree with that. There's toxic humanity. You were toxic

Casey Riveramascul. Well, I'm just saying it from like my culture. I think Hispanics like in different um countries, they can kind of have a

Casey Riveralittle more of a machismo attitude where it's, oh, I'm the man of the house, so this is my rules that you can uh like it it's just kind of that's where I kind of

Casey Riverabelieve in the toxic masculinity. I can't say that word. Masculinity. So, where's the line between that and dominance, though? and dominance. I

Casey Riverawould say like just taking the lead of um just I think it's the wording of it,

Casey Riveraright? Cuz in the household that I've been in, it's more so like they were always talking. There was always saying like, "Oh, I have to do or you have to do that. This is what I am.

Casey RiveraI am um I don't have a proper example because I don't know." Say it in Spanish. I can't. Um, but I would So, would you

Chelseasay you're Sorry. Go ahead. Um, cuz like let's say trying to find an Well, they have respectful conversations about like how things are going to be handled in your household. Okay. They were not

Casey Riverarespectful. They It would just more so be like um like this is my way or no way. You know what I mean? It's more so that way. I'm on board with that. What's wrong with that? Well, no, but I think

Casey Riverathat can be toxic because then you're not really listening to the other person, right? Whereas in like dominance, as you said, it's more so the

Casey Riverahealthy dominance of like um hey, like I want to do this. We have these conversations in the sense of like this is what I want to provide for you rather than it only being one one way because

Warren Smithof that person. But women can be my way or the highway as well. Mhm. So, where is the masculinity part of this? Oh, touche. I don't know.

Crystal (Netherlands)I like what you said about uh men that they sometimes feel like they need to be careful expressing their dominance because when they make a mistake, I often feel like they have it a lot harder than women. Like women, oh, if

Crystal (Netherlands)they make a mistake, I'm just a girl. It just happened. But when a man uh u tries to do something or acts upon something if he chooses wrong usually society is

Crystal (Netherlands)way harsher on them. So they might be uh especially in I think in the last years where of course feminism has been uh is gotten so strongly they feel like oh I I probably I'm not going to try anyway

Crystal (Netherlands)because they think I'm doing it wrong anyways. Mh. Uh, so I I like that you mentioned that of course that that's why I also mentioned women uh I don't know

Crystal (Netherlands)where it starts. Is it the men or the or the women? But women should uh give space for them to to uh act in their dominant energy because not everywhere

Warren Smithit's not safe for them everywhere to do that. I think Yeah, that's a good point. I thought it was a really I don't want to Oh, no. Go ahead. Go ahead. Someone brought up the Titanic example and that's one that comes up a lot on here.

Warren SmithIt's a big I think that was Lucas. Yeah. Is I know some guys like well that's it's and I want to ask them the ones that don't think it's fair. What would you have gotten in the lifeboat? And

Warren Smithmany of them would probably be like, "Yeah, why not?" You know, but and then I want to ask, what if your kids were on shore and they were going to hear the story later and then there was going to

Brian Atlasbe a movie made and you're the being depicted in the movie, now you live on. It's like, would you would you die for that? You know, well, what's your answer to that? Would you would you get on the lifeboat? Try to get on the lifeboat or would you stay with the sinking? No, but

Warren Smitheveryone's probably going to say that. No, I think because there's it's as unfair as it is, it's the same reason you'd be you'd be storming a beach or

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